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Speaker 3: You're a fan, You're a true, true fan.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like, you know, and I've been I've

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Speaker 1: We couldn't. We can't do the show, this show, this podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's like, we do want to keep watching. And the

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? How are you doing, Jenny? How

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Speaker 3: I guess it was just that belief that she fought

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Speaker 1: sad for you. I'm so sad to think.

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Speaker 2: Of It's like death is hard enough, you know, dealing

439
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: with grief and losing someone, but then two always be

440
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: sort of like cemented in people's minds and their memories

441
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: as us together, you know, So then one of us

442
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: is not there, and then another one of us is

443
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: not there. It's just like this weird like undealt with loss,

444
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, it's really difficult to explain, honestly.

445
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think for me, what I can say is

446
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: what a nice group of people you all are. Like,

447
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: I know it's complicated, I know there's so much, but

448
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: what a nice, truly nice group of people. Every single

449
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: one of you, every single one of you really hind

450
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: hind people. That's what I can say, because you know

451
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: each of you so unique. I've been so lucky to

452
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: get to work with most of you and know almost

453
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: all of you. What a kind, magical group of people.

454
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: And so I think that's kind of the thing, is

455
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: like what fate that brought you all together? Your dad, Tori,

456
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: who you know? What a lucky thing.

457
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, lucky's right, that's true. I can't imagine this lifetime

458
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 3: not getting to know all of you and not going

459
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: through that experience that, as we say, Jen, no one

460
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 3: can understand. And I'm okay with that because I wouldn't

461
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: have wanted to share it with anyone else besides all

462
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: of you.

463
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: So much love there the end of the day, whatever,

464
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 2: anybody was dealing with. There was a just a thread

465
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 2: of love and appreciation for one another and support that

466
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: we felt because we had each other. And I don't

467
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 2: think that that will ever go away. I still feel

468
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: it with Luke. I know that as time passes, it'll

469
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: feel different. With Shannon.

470
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to like I don't mean

471
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: to be like easy or like, you know, let me

472
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: cut a button on it, you know, like I don't

473
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: mean to do that right now. But it's like I

474
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: do feel whatever the word is, pressure, I feel a

475
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 1: desire something to like I said, continue her message, continue

476
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: her fight, like you know, ah, give my money, you know,

477
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: all those things that maybe it's just little tiny things,

478
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: but that maybe they do something. I said, do do

479
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: you know we got to have a little laugh here,

480
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: I said, do you said it? You know? So maybe

481
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: and again like I don't pretend that we're going to

482
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: finish this podcast and then next week it's just like, hey, guys,

483
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: we're back.

484
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: You know.

485
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: It's like it's but I do feel inspired. Maybe that's

486
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: the right word to do what I can. Maybe it's

487
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: a little, maybe it's a lot, maybe it's some days

488
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: it's more, but just and also like I don't want

489
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: to be a dick, do you know what I mean?

490
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: It's like I need to be loving to people. It's

491
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: like there's so many lessons, like I need to tell

492
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: you guys. It doesn't have to be unicorns and rainbows

493
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: all the time. But like, I'm so lucky to get

494
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 1: to work with you guys. And I don't mean to

495
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: be cheesy or trying to like lessen the importance of

496
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: this conversation.

497
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: You're not minimizing anything.

498
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: No, No, it's so cool, Amy that we've all found

499
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 2: our way to you back to you.

500
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: So I'm so lucky. I'm so lucky, Like what a

501
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: life to get to be a you know, work with

502
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: you all people that I just loved so much. And

503
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: what I'll say is like, y'all, do not disappoint none

504
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: of you. You know how they say like, oh, don't

505
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: meet the people that you're fans of. It's like that

506
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: is not the case with any of you. That whole

507
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: core group, every single one of you is so impressive.

508
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: That's so true. They always say, never meet your heroes,

509
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 3: they'll just disappoint.

510
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: You, and they that was so true.

511
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a good family.

512
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: It was just something that was ingrained in us by

513
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: whatever the experience, the fans, the moment in time of

514
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: the nineties, there's just something that we all learn to

515
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: really appreciate what we had and appreciate the opportunities and

516
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: the gifts of people adoring the sh show and our characters.

517
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: Like I feel like all of us genuinely felt so

518
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: grateful for the opportunity.

519
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: There's no coincidences, right, So it was about the experience

520
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 3: and the time, but it was also about us as well.

521
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: I think the thing it really has resonated to me

522
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe I think almost all of you feel

523
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: this way. You never don't want to talk about nine

524
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: o two one zero. You know, there's some celebrities that

525
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: you're like doing an interview with them, like, oh, don't

526
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: ask me about that show. And you all.

527
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 3: Love it because we're grateful, Like Jen said, we're grateful. Yeah,

528
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 3: we all know that we would be nowhere without that

529
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: show and those fans for each.

530
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: Other, it would be somewhere else.

531
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean here, Yeah, I'm not

532
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 3: on this path that we've all been so lucky to

533
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: have this.

534
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: Lifetime contagious to the fans. I think that's what we

535
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: feel so much with all of you is like the

536
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: thing that we love, you love.

537
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's true. So I know, for one,

538
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: I love my time with Shannon. I feel so grateful

539
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: to have known her and learned things from her and

540
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: watched her in her glory. You know, I just feel

541
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: very fortunate to have been given the gift of of her.

542
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: She is a real trail blazer. Do people still use

543
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: that word? Okay?

544
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she was blazing trails? Yes they do, Tori,

545
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: and she was blazing trails.

546
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: Okay, you can use him.

547
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: Now because she was still doing that. I like it

548
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: she was doing that.

549
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: You know. Look, I've ever used that word my entire

550
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 3: life and popped into my head.

551
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: You're a trailblazer, you two kid.

552
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: You know what I'll say is, look, we will continue

553
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: to watch recap the show, but it will be a

554
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: little different, and I want you guys to feel like,

555
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, you say what you want to say, and

556
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: you will do it when you're ready.

557
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, do it when you're ready. Well, thank you Amy

558
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: for giving us the chance to sort of talk about

559
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: it publicly.

560
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: I you know, look, yes, I made them get on.

561
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to, like, you know, start the conversation, and

562
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: I wanted everyone to get to hear it, you know,

563
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: so hopefully we made the right decision.

564
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: And I think so. I think important. It's important when

565
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: you're grieving and other people are grieving the same one

566
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: us in a different way. It's so important to connect

567
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: with one another and feel that human like connective tissue.

568
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: We're all hurting, we're all trying to heal. We all

569
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: want to do it right, we want to grieve right, however,

570
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 2: whatever that looks like. But I think the most important

571
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: thing is that we are all in this together, Like

572
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: in this moment, we are all together you, Amy, Tory,

573
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: and everybody listening, everybody who ever loved the show, whoever

574
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: loves Shannon, and any of our other projects. There are

575
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: so many. We're all together, and that should offer us

576
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: some feelings of support, you know. And it's better to

577
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 2: not feel so alone.

578
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 3: It's true. It's better to feel then try not to feel.

579
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, well, so thank you.

580
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: We'll keep talking and yeah, we're going to text you

581
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: guys in five minutes like I've been.

582
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: Thank you, Amy.

583
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: I love you guys so much, like I really, really

584
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: really love you both so much.

585
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: I love you too, Love you guys who we love,

586
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: our OMG family.

587
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, people are They're such kind of people.

588
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: Mm hm oh.

589
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: Talk to you guys in two minutes.

590
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: Bye,