WEBVTT - 11/7/25: Republicans Cope, Airlines Shutdown, Ritchie Torres Challenger & MORE! 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.560 Good morning, everybody, Happy Friday. How's everybody doing? 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:04.120 Hey guys? 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:06.840 Well hello, hello, good how are you guys? 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:10.039 I think we're about to hear how how Ryan's doing? Actually? 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:12.600 Yeah, indeed, Well, first of all, Ryan, did you recover 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:15.440 from You've had a pretty uh intense week going to 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:18.319 and then making it back for your son's birthday and 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:18.759 all that. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:20.320 Crazy, Right, it's crazy. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:24.079 I put in my veins. I'm I'm feeling good. Yeah, 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.080 Like it's an invigorating week, is. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:27.480 What it is. 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:29.720 Did you did your micro dose through it? 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:32.920 I didn't. I didn't even have to micro dose through it. Also, 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.840 I always remind myself that it's not really work. It's 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:39.360 just I just I really like get to do stuff 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.960 I enjoy doing and get to be at like historic events, 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.760 like people who are actually doing work and waking up 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.400 like before the sun sun is up, out the door 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:54.280 before the sun is up, or like working on. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:56.080 What we call that breaking points. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.960 That's true, but still that's a couple of hours they're 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:02.000 doing that, and it's like eight, ten, twelve hours and 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.560 then another job. So like that's the Those are those 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:06.320 are people who work. 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:07.920 I don't. I don't even think of it as work. 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.720 People who know Kyle know that it's impossible to get 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:13.880 him out of the house to do basically anything. But 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:18.240 even he watching the Zorn victory party videos was like, damn, 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.280 we should have gone. I was like, you, I see 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.800 that now, There's no way I could have convinced you 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:24.600 to go in advance. 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.280 I saw the funniest posts in response to Kyle's victory 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.880 posts where he was playing music and smoking a cigar. 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.080 Someonewted it and was like, damn, when did Kyle become Dominican? 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:37.720 He was proud of that. He was like, did you 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:38.720 see this one? 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.000 So good? Anyway? 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:45.280 Yeah, should we jump in and Ryan, you've got an 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.360 update for all of us drops out as being sued 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.040 and in the UK where the libel laws are insane, 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.160 so you want to give us the tea here of 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:54.760 what's going on. 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.680 Yeah, And this is also invigorating in a way because 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.400 this is this comes with this comes with the territory 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:04.440 of doing investigative journalism. And actually we're not technically being sued. 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.120 The writer Owen Jones, who wrote the piece for us, 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.799 as being sued, and that's because of the complications of 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.040 UK libel law. They can go directly after him. But 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.560 we are. We are defending the case. The reason we're 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.120 talking about it now is that some of the documents 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:23.560 became public recently in the Telegraph reported about the case. 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.840 Otherwise we were just fighting this behind the scenes. But 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.679 we've already racked up roughly like forty thousand dollars in 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.880 legal bills and are barely in the beginning stages of it. 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.120 It's utterly insane how expensive this stuff is. But we 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:40.520 are one hundred percent standing behind the story and we're 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.080 planning to defend it in court. So we set up 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:47.120 a legal fund that people can support overnight. We set 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.320 it up yesterday overnight. People have given so far more 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:54.280 than fifty thousand dollars wow in our so that's more 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:55.920 than our bills so far. Now the bills are going 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:59.360 to continue to rack up. If we win a full victory. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.360 There is a real expectation that we could actually recoup 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.480 all those costs, and that the the BBC editor who's 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.600 suing us would have to pay for our legal costs. 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.400 And I do expect that that's likely to happen. But 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.240 in the meantime, we've got to we have to. You know, 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.160 the lawyers keep sending invoices and we have that's amazing. 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.560 We have to keep paying them, so thank you to 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.000 everybody who gave overnight. Well we can put the link, 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:23.680 I guess in the description. You can find it on 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:24.840 my pin tweet. 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:25.480 Uh. 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.200 And the more we have then the more it sends 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.000 a signal to plaintiffs in general, like if you come 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.200 after us, like we will defend ourselves. And we have 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.200 a community of readers who will help us defend ourselves. 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:40.240 We have libel insurance, but there's a significant deductible that 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.960 you have to hit. As anybody who's in journalism or 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.800 understands the idea of insurance like that's how that works. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.320 So we're nowhere near the deductible yet. And you know 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.200 every dollar you have to spend on that, it takes 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.800 away from the journalism. So any any help is you know, 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:55.920 deeply appreciated. And we and we do expect that we're 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:57.160 gonna we're gonna win this. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:03:59.200 We don't want to too. 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:03.640 I remember when this came out in depth investigation into 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:08.600 a systemic bias at the BBC in their Israel coverage, 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:10.880 and so you know, I understand why they were upset 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.920 by it, but that you were saying they haven't really 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:15.920 alleged that you got anything wrong, and I know you 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.839 guys one hundred percent stand by the reporting, right. 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:22.159 They say that our kind of conclusions are wrong, but 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:26.320 they don't allege any errors in fact, Like UK law 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.440 is very strange. It's like, yes, like, what do you 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:30.440 mean has. 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:31.280 It always been like that? 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.160 Ryan, Because essentially they're alleging that you've hurt his feelings 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:35.880 right about It's. 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.840 One of the reasons that I'm such a strident defender 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.160 of the First Amendment, Like the First Amendment is actually meaningful, 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.640 it actually matters, and the UK doesn't have one, and 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.920 they deeply suffer for it. Chris and I were just 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.240 talking about we don't quite understand how they have this 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:57.440 coexisting of this rabid tabloid culture where they just recklessly 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:02.119 publish all sorts of nonsense. Yeah, also these bizarre libel laws. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.600 It's not clear how those two things coexist together. If 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.880 anybody understands that, maybe, like you know, lucidate that in 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.040 the comments for us, because it's really weird. It's like, 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.880 because they there's a fact check piece piece we took 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.159 very seriously. There's you know, it's it's accurate as you know, 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.479 we stand behind it. We're still you know, getting drained 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.919 of all this money to defend it in court, wherein 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:26.520 in the US a suit like this would be like, no, 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:27.760 you don't have any case. 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:28.039 Here go. 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:29.640 Yeah. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.320 My theory about that is always that it's the way 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:35.240 that people get around the laws is by burying things 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.359 in crazy sourcing. So you get someone in the royal family, 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.520 like associated with the royal family, tell you something crazy 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.200 and then attribute it to a source, right, and that's 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.200 how they I don't know that's my best theory, but 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:47.600 I was gonna say, right. And also people should realize 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:49.680 if you you don't want to set a precedent in 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:53.520 the wrong direction either, because with small indie media booming 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.440 right now, the process can be the punishment. So if 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.480 you start filing a bunch of lawsuits and people don't 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.839 have money need to defend themselves because lawsuits are extremely 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.640 expensive and CNN and yeah, obously they have you know, 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.599 the all of the resources in the world bus lawyers 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.880 that are on their staff. It's different than if you're 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:17.120 just going after the indie publications who can be bankrupted 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:18.000 just by the process. 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:18.520 Right. 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.520 That's a great point. If powerful people are powerful interests 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:25.400 think that they can shut down independent media by just 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.800 lobbing a bunch of lawsuits at them, they're gonna then 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.720 they're gonna keep doing that. So if you give, if 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.039 you give on that, then they're just gonna keep going. 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.760 But if you defend yourself and it actually ends up 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.960 costing them, then they're gonna think twice the next time 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.520 they think about going after this outlet or any other 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:46.000 independent outlet, be like, oh wait, they have a huge 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:47.960 audience that is going to support them if we come 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.679 after them, So we have to then factor that in 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:52.400 to our calculation of whether or not we want to 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:53.120 launch this suit. 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.920 M's all right, well, we're gonna keep a link in there. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.400 Let's keep funding drop site because, like Ryan said, drop 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.440 site is the tip of the spear against the BBC 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.960 censorship regime and against many other things. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.280 By the way, I think people know at this point, 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:14.239 how truly, and I mean, if we don't have drops 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.360 I doing this reporting during the course of this genocide, 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.720 there's just so many stories that would never have brought 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:21.320 to light. And I don't even think I have to 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.320 say that. I think people just know that that's obviously 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:25.800 the case at this point. So heartening to see people 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.240 backing you up with their dollars and showing how much 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:29.720 they support the work that you guys do. 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:31.080 Yeah, I appreciate you all. 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:32.080 Yep. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.400 I will be making a sizeable twenty dollars donation at 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.560 the end of the show. Okay, So we have a 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.080 big show. We have a lot to get to. We're 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:41.920 gonna try to fly through a lot of topics. We've 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.880 got election stuff, we have more shutdown stuff happening with 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:49.840 the airlines closing flights. And we have Michael Blake. He's 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.040 a former DNC weis chair I. 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.800 Believe and the Bronx. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.640 Yeah, and he just announced. We met him at the 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:58.480 zor run event. 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:02.760 But he just announced a primary run against Richie Torres. 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:04.440 So we'll be speaking to him a little bit later 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.200 in the show. But first we want to go to Emily. Emily, 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.880 it was a big election, this a few days ago. 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:13.800 What day is it, I guess it was this week. Still, 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.560 it was revolutionary, you know, an underdog came from behind, 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:26.360 challenged the entire system. Of course, I'm talking about Abigail Spanberger. Emily, 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.440 what do you make of it? Because you left the 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.400 livestream early. Any big reactions from you before we get 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.319 to some of the cobe The margins. 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.199 Were just sending its your guys is analysis, I think, 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.760 is what I shared. The margins were higher than what 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.680 Republicans expected in Virginia and New Jersey. And just before 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.920 we went to Ara was reading Political Playbook this morning 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.360 and Mikey Cheryl has a quote in it where she says, 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.800 if I'm talking to you about abortion and you can't 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.079 pay your rent, then we're not having a conversation. I'm 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.560 paraprising her, but that's the gist of what she said 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.840 to Political Playbook. And I feel even these sort of 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:06.840 Spamberger Mikey Cheryl types have kind of unlocked the key 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:12.240 to finally, after ten years, actually challenging MAGA on some 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:17.640 of those actual questions that people go to sleep with 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.240 and wake up in the middle of the night with. 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.439 And that's a I think, a revelation. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.880 It shouldn't have been that hard, I guess, but I 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.640 think that's where I think that's how Zoron beat Andrew Cuomo. 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:33.760 And the meantime, what we've seen is Republican reaction being well, 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.040 we have a little bit of a copilation. 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.240 That's what we're calling it Griffin a copalation. 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:43.840 This is Representative Lisa McLain on CNN explaining what happened 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:45.080 on Tuesday to Jake Tapper. 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.600 The politics of this for a second, because you know 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:51.560 President Trump told Republicans earlier this morning. According to a 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.559 source talking to CNN, the Republicans are getting killed politically 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.840 on the shutdown. And if you look at what happened 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:04.120 last night, it is hard to say that there is anything. 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:04.679 In the election results. 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.240 And I'm looking at not just like I get it, 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.880 New Jersey's a democratic state, but looking at Republican counties, 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.199 looking at Republican sheriffs that lost their jobs, It's hard 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.640 to see anything last night that was an endorsement of 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.440 what the Republican Party is doing right now. 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:18.800 Yeah. 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:20.320 Well, let me give you the other side of that 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:25.400 of that story is voter turnout from Republicans was not high, 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.280 not high at all. But I think part of that 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:32.080 reason is because Republicans for the most part, are happy 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.679 with what's happening. The borders closed. Crime is down. In 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.960 inflation under Biden used to be nine percent, it's now 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.960 down to three percent. Interest rates are down, mortgages down. 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.040 Let me I know, let me just finish. Let me 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:46.800 just give you the let me just give you the 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.319 other side. High shop at the same grocery store that 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.840 anybody else does. So you see, is there more work 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.440 that needs to be done? Absolutely there is. That's why 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:00.240 in the Working Families tax Cut, we did just that. 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:04.960 We so emily the tap that people are too happy, 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.280 that the key to an election defeat is happiness. 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:12.360 Too happy to vote for winsome Earl series obviously like 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.040 the because she's saying Republican turnout is low. But that's 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.839 I mean, this was part of what jd Vance wrote 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.960 the next morning as well, the low propensity the Republican 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.400 base is now the low propensity base, and more needs 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:24.880 to be done. 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.480 I actually think that's that's true. I mean, anytime you 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:28.760 have midterm. 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.120 Cycles or off your cycles, then yes, you need to 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.160 be focused on mobilizing your own voters, especially if they 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.600 tend to be low propensity voters. But in a place 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:40.800 like New Jersey, where Donald Trump was actually close to 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.760 Kamala Harris, like the margin was closer than people realized, 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.680 what we're looking at is the Republican Party losing swing voters. 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.719 And that's I mean, the margin for Mikey Show I 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.800 think ended up being about thirteen points, about fifteen for Spamberger, 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.079 double digit wins in states where. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.160 You could J Jones out J Jones Kamal Harris. 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:01.439 Yeah, there you go. 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:06.000 And the lady, the lady who leaked the text, the 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:12.160 Republican lady who leaked the text lost her seat. I mean, like, 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.560 that's the most dark, woke moment I've ever heard my 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:18.400 entire life, which is so true. 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:23.040 But sort of what was the relationship between those two 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:24.720 that they were sending these kind of texts? That's what 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.280 I want to I wondered that, right, where are the 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:31.680 investigative reporters? Where the tabloids, speaking of the UK tabloids, 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:35.160 where's the Richmond tabloid? It's gonna like on Earth, what's 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:36.600 going on? What's going on with these two? 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.800 I'll ask that guy Ben Tribbett, not Larry Sabato, if 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.280 you can, if you can dig into that one. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.280 But they all know, I bet they all have some 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:44.600 rumors going around, but they. 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:46.839 Well that's probably why she was like reluctant to relase 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:49.800 because you know, normally, first of all, why are you 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:53.120 texting Republican not stuff? Why are texting anyone that stuff, 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:54.560 but especially where would you know. 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.040 How would you put that down in writing? That's like. 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.720 They both, ma's what's the situation here? 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:03.120 I don't. I don't know. 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.280 And the other thing that I saw is I don't 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.720 this this person he was talking about that he was 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.480 gonna had the two bullets for this is like a 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:14.439 totally unremarkable state legislator. Like, I have no idea what 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.600 this person did to whatever. I mean, when I first 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.280 saw the story, I was like, Oh, that's probably like 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.160 the text, they're probably blowing it out of proportion. And 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.400 then I read the text and I was like, holy 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.240 hell yeah, And I mean it is like, on the 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.080 one hand, Emily, I think you're right that Zoron really 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.480 led the way with the affordability message, and Democrats saw 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.840 how powerful that is. Now they're not going to embrace 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.040 all of the Zoran policies, but they were like, oh, 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.679 this guy's onto something. He's onto something so much that 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.600 he was able to go from zero percent in the 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:47.720 polls to really like defeating by a landslide, this political 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:49.920 zion with all the dollars behind him. Not to mention 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.040 other you know, Brad Lantern and Scott's dream around. You 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:55.040 were pointing this out other like significant progressive figures in 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.560 the city. This stuff is potent. I do think that 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.560 they leaned into that messaging. I also think that it 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:04.360 really Democrats were ready to vote for anyone. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:05.080 With a D by their names. 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.160 It did not matter where your ideal, what your messaging was, 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.080 where you were ideologically, whether you'd threatened to murder your 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.800 political opponent and their children, didn't matter. 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:15.000 They were going to vote for you. 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.720 And you know, it was certainly look the turnout thing 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.880 is trite and cliche to say, but there were also, 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.160 I think it was the New York Times den analysis, 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.840 there were also some Trump voters who switched sides. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:29.240 Abvio Bamberger. 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.200 I believe one like nine percent of the people who 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.200 self identified, you know, told pollsters that they were Trump voters. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.080 And that mays sound like a small number, but when 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.200 you're talking about, you know, midterm alige, when you're talking 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.440 about the next election, that level of a switch from 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:47.040 one party to the other is actually massive. And then 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:51.160 obviously you saw huge swings in demographics that Republicans have 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.920 been really proud of, picking up gains in Latinos in 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:58.320 particular young men in particular demographic groups by the way 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.960 that they have based their jerry mandered maps on holding 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.280 on to some portion of you know, really putting into 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.680 jeopardy their plans to redraw things in a way that 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.120 are going to be more beneficial to them. And so 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.920 I mean, I'm genuinely curious from you, Emily, like I 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.080 know what jd. Vance is saying publicly, like, oh, this 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.080 is no big deal. These were blue states. I don't 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.920 believe for a second that he thinks that you can't 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.840 lose by twenty points in two statewide races in Georgia 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.280 and think that this was like one off, nothing to 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:32.360 see here, or lose your supermajority in Mississippi and be like, oh, 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.840 this was just some blue state stuff, not that you know, 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:40.120 don't worry about it. So privately, what are people saying privately? 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.720 What are people thinking about what happened here? And like 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.320 how or if they're going to adjust in any sort 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:47.400 of way. 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:51.120 Well, I think so Vivek Ramaswami had probably the most 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:56.000 I think popular response as obvious that maybe to say, 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.200 and it was echoed by Vance in his own post, 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:02.440 where eventually Ramaswami Advance just converged on the same message, 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.680 which is that you have to focus on affordability and 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:05.320 costs of blimming. 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.160 Then Donald Trump came out and said the same thing. 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.720 He's like, they have this new word affordability later in. 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:15.280 The day and affordability Yeah, yeah, people, I mean long 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.840 lost word. It's like, what did he he calls There's like, 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.680 what does he say, like refrigerators at sometimes. 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:27.960 One word he loves? Yeah, forget about that word. Yeah. 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:32.400 But so I think people are and it's insane again, 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.560 but I think it's especially been I know, Chris, we 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:36.520 also want to talk about the Heritage Foundation stuff, but 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:40.680 I think it's especially been the the contrast between the 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:45.360 entire professional right in Washington, d C. Focusing relentlessly on 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.680 leaks coming out of a think tank, while you get 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:52.720 creamed in a mid term election cycle where I'm pulling 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:56.240 up the data here like independence swung big in a 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:00.480 lot of these key races towards Democrats, and that was 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.080 not the case in twenty twenty four. So when you 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.800 see numbers like that and you look at what the 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:07.960 right has been focused on the last couple of weeks, 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.159 it puts it in pretty stark relief. And so I 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.320 mean it's like pretty I feel like it's pretty obvious. 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.600 But these professional people should not need reminders that normal 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.240 human beings have to pay their bills. But one of 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.240 those lessons you'd think the Republicans might have learned from 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:25.320 ten years of Donald Trump. 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.439 Sorry my phone just went off, but have not. 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.240 I would submit that the problem isn't so much the 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:36.639 debate over like Nickfwonta's and Israel and whatever. It's the 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.320 fact that there's a question of whether Nazis are allowed 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:43.439 in the coalition and the way that extremist policies and 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:47.040 ideologies are expressed from the top of the party, and 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.000 the way that that is incredibly repellent to a lot 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:51.800 of normal people. 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:52.320 You know. 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.560 I mean, Stephen Miller's on the other side of the 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.520 quote unquote Jewish question. But this is the guy who's 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.000 leading all the immigrations. They just did some like world 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.200 only taking white refugees thing. You've got the mass that's 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.359 in the street, the you know, now the Kavanaugh stops 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.160 where you can just overtly racially profile. Every day there's 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.520 news stories coming out about how Greg Bavino lied in court, 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.520 how they're tear gassing two year olds. You know, how 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.760 they're bragging about how their marksmanship after they shoot an 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:22.080 American citizen five times in the back. And so what 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:24.800 I said is, you know, I think people actually will 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.360 put up with a lot of authoritarianism, but only if 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.800 they're getting some shit out of it, not just for 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.080 the sake of sadism, Like we're not all psycho terrorists 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:37.160 like Steven Miller. So you know, if it was making 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.159 the trains run on time and people's rents would coming down, whatever, 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:41.960 then I think, yeah, people would be like, well, that's 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.320 not great, But what are you gonna do the way 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.679 that they do with let's say the Kelly right where 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.360 they had a massive crime problem and his I don't 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.000 think that I would never support his policies, but they 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:53.960 genuinely brought the crime down. People like, yeah, what are 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:55.120 you gonna do here? 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:55.880 You have an. 0:18:55.760 --> 0:19:00.159 Administration where their authoritarianism is making things more lowles us 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:05.560 injecting more chaos, more criminality into their streets in their communities. 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.119 And at the same time they're cozied up to a 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.040 bunch of oligarchs giving away giant tax cuts to the rich. 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.640 Your rent is going up, your groceries are going up, 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.160 your energy bills are going up, which by the way, 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.160 is related to giving the store away to the oligarchs 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.480 are putting these data centers into your town, And. 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:21.200