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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Friday. How's everybody doing?

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Speaker 2: Hey guys?

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Speaker 3: Well hello, hello, good how are you guys?

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Speaker 2: I think we're about to hear how how Ryan's doing? Actually?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, indeed, Well, first of all, Ryan, did you recover

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Speaker 4: from You've had a pretty uh intense week going to

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Speaker 4: and then making it back for your son's birthday and

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Speaker 4: all that.

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Speaker 3: Crazy, Right, it's crazy.

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Speaker 5: I put in my veins. I'm I'm feeling good. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Like it's an invigorating week, is.

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Speaker 6: What it is.

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Speaker 2: Did you did your micro dose through it?

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Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't even have to micro dose through it. Also,

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Speaker 5: I always remind myself that it's not really work. It's

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Speaker 5: just I just I really like get to do stuff

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Speaker 5: I enjoy doing and get to be at like historic events,

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Speaker 5: like people who are actually doing work and waking up

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Speaker 5: like before the sun sun is up, out the door

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Speaker 5: before the sun is up, or like working on.

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Speaker 2: What we call that breaking points.

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Speaker 5: That's true, but still that's a couple of hours they're

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Speaker 5: doing that, and it's like eight, ten, twelve hours and

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Speaker 5: then another job. So like that's the Those are those

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Speaker 5: are people who work.

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Speaker 6: I don't. I don't even think of it as work.

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Speaker 4: People who know Kyle know that it's impossible to get

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Speaker 4: him out of the house to do basically anything. But

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Speaker 4: even he watching the Zorn victory party videos was like, damn,

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Speaker 4: we should have gone. I was like, you, I see

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Speaker 4: that now, There's no way I could have convinced you

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Speaker 4: to go in advance.

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Speaker 7: I saw the funniest posts in response to Kyle's victory

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Speaker 7: posts where he was playing music and smoking a cigar.

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Speaker 7: Someonewted it and was like, damn, when did Kyle become Dominican?

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Speaker 1: He was proud of that. He was like, did you

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Speaker 1: see this one?

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Speaker 6: So good? Anyway?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, should we jump in and Ryan, you've got an

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Speaker 4: update for all of us drops out as being sued

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Speaker 4: and in the UK where the libel laws are insane,

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Speaker 4: so you want to give us the tea here of

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Speaker 4: what's going on.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And this is also invigorating in a way because

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Speaker 5: this is this comes with this comes with the territory

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Speaker 5: of doing investigative journalism. And actually we're not technically being sued.

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Speaker 5: The writer Owen Jones, who wrote the piece for us,

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Speaker 5: as being sued, and that's because of the complications of

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Speaker 5: UK libel law. They can go directly after him. But

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Speaker 5: we are. We are defending the case. The reason we're

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Speaker 5: talking about it now is that some of the documents

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Speaker 5: became public recently in the Telegraph reported about the case.

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Speaker 5: Otherwise we were just fighting this behind the scenes. But

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Speaker 5: we've already racked up roughly like forty thousand dollars in

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Speaker 5: legal bills and are barely in the beginning stages of it.

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Speaker 5: It's utterly insane how expensive this stuff is. But we

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Speaker 5: are one hundred percent standing behind the story and we're

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Speaker 5: planning to defend it in court. So we set up

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Speaker 5: a legal fund that people can support overnight. We set

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Speaker 5: it up yesterday overnight. People have given so far more

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Speaker 5: than our bills so far. Now the bills are going

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Speaker 5: to continue to rack up. If we win a full victory.

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Speaker 5: There is a real expectation that we could actually recoup

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Speaker 5: all those costs, and that the the BBC editor who's

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Speaker 5: And I do expect that that's likely to happen. But

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Speaker 5: in the meantime, we've got to we have to. You know,

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Speaker 5: the lawyers keep sending invoices and we have that's amazing.

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Speaker 5: We have to keep paying them, so thank you to

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Speaker 5: everybody who gave overnight. Well we can put the link,

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Speaker 5: I guess in the description. You can find it on

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Speaker 5: my pin tweet.

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Speaker 5: And the more we have then the more it sends

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Speaker 5: a signal to plaintiffs in general, like if you come

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Speaker 5: after us, like we will defend ourselves. And we have

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Speaker 5: a community of readers who will help us defend ourselves.

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Speaker 5: We have libel insurance, but there's a significant deductible that

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Speaker 5: you have to hit. As anybody who's in journalism or

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Speaker 5: So we're nowhere near the deductible yet. And you know

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Speaker 5: every dollar you have to spend on that, it takes

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Speaker 5: away from the journalism. So any any help is you know,

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Speaker 5: deeply appreciated. And we and we do expect that we're

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Speaker 5: gonna we're gonna win this.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to too.

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Speaker 4: I remember when this came out in depth investigation into

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Speaker 4: and so you know, I understand why they were upset

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Speaker 4: alleged that you got anything wrong, and I know you

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Speaker 4: guys one hundred percent stand by the reporting, right.

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Speaker 5: They say that our kind of conclusions are wrong, but

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Speaker 5: they don't allege any errors in fact, Like UK law

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Speaker 5: is very strange. It's like, yes, like, what do you

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Speaker 3: It always been like that?

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Speaker 8: Ryan, Because essentially they're alleging that you've hurt his feelings

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Speaker 8: right about It's.

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Speaker 5: One of the reasons that I'm such a strident defender

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Speaker 5: of the First Amendment, Like the First Amendment is actually meaningful,

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Speaker 5: it actually matters, and the UK doesn't have one, and

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Speaker 5: they deeply suffer for it. Chris and I were just

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Speaker 5: talking about we don't quite understand how they have this

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Speaker 5: coexisting of this rabid tabloid culture where they just recklessly

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Speaker 5: publish all sorts of nonsense. Yeah, also these bizarre libel laws.

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Speaker 5: It's not clear how those two things coexist together. If

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Speaker 5: anybody understands that, maybe, like you know, lucidate that in

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Speaker 5: the comments for us, because it's really weird. It's like,

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Speaker 5: because they there's a fact check piece piece we took

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Speaker 5: very seriously. There's you know, it's it's accurate as you know,

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Speaker 5: we stand behind it. We're still you know, getting drained

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Speaker 5: of all this money to defend it in court, wherein

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Speaker 5: in the US a suit like this would be like, no,

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Speaker 5: you don't have any case.

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Speaker 6: Here go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: My theory about that is always that it's the way

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Speaker 7: that people get around the laws is by burying things

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Speaker 7: in crazy sourcing. So you get someone in the royal family,

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Speaker 7: like associated with the royal family, tell you something crazy

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Speaker 7: and then attribute it to a source, right, and that's

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Speaker 7: how they I don't know that's my best theory, but

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Speaker 7: I was gonna say, right. And also people should realize

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Speaker 7: if you you don't want to set a precedent in

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Speaker 7: the wrong direction either, because with small indie media booming

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Speaker 7: right now, the process can be the punishment. So if

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Speaker 7: expensive and CNN and yeah, obously they have you know,

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Speaker 7: the all of the resources in the world bus lawyers

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Speaker 7: that are on their staff. It's different than if you're

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Speaker 7: just going after the indie publications who can be bankrupted

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: That's a great point. If powerful people are powerful interests

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Speaker 5: think that they can shut down independent media by just

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Speaker 5: lobbing a bunch of lawsuits at them, they're gonna then

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Speaker 5: they're gonna keep doing that. So if you give, if

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Speaker 5: But if you defend yourself and it actually ends up

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Speaker 5: costing them, then they're gonna think twice the next time

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Speaker 5: they think about going after this outlet or any other

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Speaker 8: M's all right, well, we're gonna keep a link in there.

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Speaker 8: Let's keep funding drop site because, like Ryan said, drop

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Speaker 8: site is the tip of the spear against the BBC

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Speaker 8: censorship regime and against many other things.

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Speaker 4: By the way, I think people know at this point,

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Speaker 4: how truly, and I mean, if we don't have drops

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Speaker 4: I doing this reporting during the course of this genocide,

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Speaker 4: there's just so many stories that would never have brought

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Speaker 4: backing you up with their dollars and showing how much

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Speaker 4: they support the work that you guys do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate you all.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 8: I will be making a sizeable twenty dollars donation at

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Speaker 8: the end of the show. Okay, So we have a

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Speaker 8: big show. We have a lot to get to. We're

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Speaker 8: gonna try to fly through a lot of topics. We've

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Speaker 8: got election stuff, we have more shutdown stuff happening with

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Speaker 8: the airlines closing flights. And we have Michael Blake. He's

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Speaker 8: a former DNC weis chair I.

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Speaker 5: Believe and the Bronx.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he just announced. We met him at the

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Speaker 3: zor run event.

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Speaker 8: But he just announced a primary run against Richie Torres.

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Speaker 8: So we'll be speaking to him a little bit later

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Speaker 8: in the show. But first we want to go to Emily. Emily,

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Speaker 8: it was a big election, this a few days ago.

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Speaker 8: What day is it, I guess it was this week. Still,

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Speaker 8: it was revolutionary, you know, an underdog came from behind,

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Speaker 8: challenged the entire system. Of course, I'm talking about Abigail Spanberger. Emily,

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Speaker 8: what do you make of it? Because you left the

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Speaker 7: Were just sending its your guys is analysis, I think,

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Speaker 7: is what I shared. The margins were higher than what

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Speaker 7: Republicans expected in Virginia and New Jersey. And just before

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Speaker 7: we went to Ara was reading Political Playbook this morning

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Speaker 7: and Mikey Cheryl has a quote in it where she says,

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Speaker 7: if I'm talking to you about abortion and you can't

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Speaker 7: pay your rent, then we're not having a conversation. I'm

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Speaker 7: paraprising her, but that's the gist of what she said

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Speaker 7: to Political Playbook. And I feel even these sort of

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Speaker 7: Spamberger Mikey Cheryl types have kind of unlocked the key

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Speaker 7: to finally, after ten years, actually challenging MAGA on some

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Speaker 7: of those actual questions that people go to sleep with

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Speaker 2: And that's a I think, a revelation.

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Speaker 7: It shouldn't have been that hard, I guess, but I

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Speaker 7: think that's where I think that's how Zoron beat Andrew Cuomo.

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Speaker 7: And the meantime, what we've seen is Republican reaction being well,

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Speaker 7: we have a little bit of a copilation.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're calling it Griffin a copalation.

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Speaker 7: This is Representative Lisa McLain on CNN explaining what happened

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Speaker 7: on Tuesday to Jake Tapper.

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Speaker 9: The politics of this for a second, because you know

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Speaker 9: President Trump told Republicans earlier this morning. According to a

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Speaker 9: source talking to CNN, the Republicans are getting killed politically

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Speaker 9: on the shutdown. And if you look at what happened

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Speaker 9: last night, it is hard to say that there is anything.

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Speaker 5: In the election results.

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Speaker 9: And I'm looking at not just like I get it,

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Speaker 9: New Jersey's a democratic state, but looking at Republican counties,

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Speaker 9: looking at Republican sheriffs that lost their jobs, It's hard

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Speaker 9: to see anything last night that was an endorsement of

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Speaker 9: what the Republican Party is doing right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Well, let me give you the other side of that

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Speaker 10: of that story is voter turnout from Republicans was not high,

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Speaker 10: not high at all. But I think part of that

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Speaker 7: But these professional people should not need reminders that normal

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Speaker 4: massive reckoning come twenty twenty six. And I think that

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Speaker 4: cake and a lot of look, a lot of things

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Speaker 4: can happen, but in a lot of ways, that cake

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Speaker 4: is pretty much baked.

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Speaker 2: I'll toss it to Ryan and Griffin after that.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think the fact that they don't even

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Speaker 7: talk about it, and they're like looking back and realizing

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Speaker 7: that the president spent the last year roughly focused on

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Speaker 7: foreign policy. Obviously they had their one big, beautiful bill,

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Speaker 7: but they're looking back and saying in the last three months, like,

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Speaker 7: why was nobody talking about this? And I think with

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Speaker 7: that mikey shall quote, you can interchange a lot of

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Speaker 7: things from abortion, you could put in talking about Israel,

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Speaker 7: talking about you know, whatever else Trump has talked about,

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Speaker 7: and many different the White House, like getting rid of

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Speaker 7: the East Room.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I mean all the ads in Virginia, A

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Speaker 4: big proportion of the Republican ads in Virginia were about

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Speaker 4: transgender issues, you know, and yeah, people are like, maybe

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Speaker 4: I don't agree with her, but you know what, I'm

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Speaker 4: struggling out here, and I'm not voting for another Republican

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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's a I post about this aftersus like you,

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Speaker 7: it's not like Capital Pea, Capitol w Peak woke anymore.

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Speaker 2: When Yunkin came in and was able to talk about

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Speaker 2: a lot of these things.

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Speaker 7: The future politics doesn't look like twenty twenty one and

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Speaker 7: that should have been fairly obvious.

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Speaker 2: What if you want to talk about those things.

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Speaker 7: If you want to, first of all, you have to

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Speaker 7: be careful to actually talk about what matters to people.

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Speaker 7: And if you insist on talking about them, because those

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Speaker 7: things do matter to some people, to many people, then

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Speaker 7: you should tie it back into the conversation about like elite.

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Speaker 7: Bernie does this all the time about elite distractions. But

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Speaker 7: you're probably you could go further. You see, these are

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Speaker 7: the same people sowing discord in your school district that

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Speaker 7: are also bankrupting you and making your life miserable in

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Speaker 7: a myriad different ways. But Republicans will believe that, and

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Speaker 7: centrals Democrats certainly don't believe that.

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Speaker 2: So but yeah, I think they do need to.

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Speaker 1: You're actually the one constantly bringing it up.

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Speaker 4: You know, you'd be like my opponent's obsessed with this

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Speaker 4: thing that I just cannot stop talking about twenty four

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Speaker 4: to seven and have spent millions and millions about dollars

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Speaker 4: on and she's not saying anything about you know.

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Speaker 7: Today, Spimberger didn't talk about it right, right, And that's

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Speaker 7: the difference between twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five

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Speaker 7: is Spimberger's not talking about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and real quick because I know we got to

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Speaker 5: move because we got Blake coming pretty soon. A couple

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Speaker 5: of things that she said. She said grocery prices are down.

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Speaker 5: It's not true. Grocery prices are up. She said energy

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Speaker 5: prices are down. I think gas prices are down about

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Speaker 5: ten cents a gallon since Trump took over, but electricity

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Speaker 5: prices are absolutely through the roof. And she said mortgage

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Speaker 5: rates are down, which is true. Mortgage rates when Trump

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Speaker 5: came in, we're close to seven Now. I think today

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Speaker 5: they're at around six point two still, but that's still

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Speaker 5: way way above what people want and need to be

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Speaker 5: able to unlock the housing market. And the way that

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Speaker 5: he has brought down rates so far is to destroy

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Speaker 5: the economy, like to produce. You know, we're seeing like

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Speaker 5: record amounts of layoffs. Somebody said more firings this lilast month.

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Speaker 5: Then since twenty twenty two thousand and three. We don't

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Speaker 5: have the data on it because the government's shut down,

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Speaker 5: but when the new data comes in, it's probably going

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Speaker 5: to be shocking, and that that deterioration of the economy

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Speaker 5: has finally sparked the FED to reduce interest rates, which

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Speaker 5: flows into mortgage rates. So it's like, Okay, good job

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Speaker 5: getting you know, mortgage rates down by like, you know,

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Speaker 5: sixty basis points, but at the cost of like a

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Speaker 5: deteriorating economy.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of the economy.

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Speaker 6: Go for it.

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Speaker 4: I was going to say, I I'd like to play

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Speaker 4: the Steve Bannon sat if we've.

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Speaker 3: Got that, we'll do that. We'll get the airlines.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then because yeah, go while you're pulling that up,

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Speaker 4: I can just update people a little bit on the

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Speaker 4: airlines piece, though, because as the shutdown you know, continues

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Speaker 4: on and Democrats I think feel pretty vindicated in their

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Speaker 4: position and given the electoral wrong that they were able

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Speaker 4: to pull off this week. Meanwhile, you have forty two

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Speaker 4: million people who don't have are not receiving food stamp

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Speaker 4: benefits on which they rely. You have a federal judge

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Speaker 4: who first ordered the Trump administration, Hey, you do have

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Speaker 4: emergency funds. You have to tap Trump administration, as they

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Speaker 4: frequently do. We're like, oh, yeah, we'll try, and we're

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Speaker 4: getting around to and blah blah blah. Court came and said, no,

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Speaker 4: you have tilled this Friday to pay out one hundred

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Speaker 4: percent of the benefits that are owed. Now the Trump

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Speaker 4: administration is appealing that. So people continue to go without

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Speaker 4: these food benefits, and you know, you're starting to see

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Speaker 4: the stories of I had to go dumpster diving in

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Speaker 4: the Walmart parking lot to be able to feed myself

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Speaker 4: of my family. You know, I have to pick do

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Speaker 4: I put the dollar fifty I have in my back

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Speaker 4: bank account towards half a gallon of gas to you know,

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Speaker 4: to go to the food bank, or to go to

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Speaker 4: the store, or you know, if I have to go

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Speaker 4: to work, like I genuinely don't know what I'm going

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Speaker 4: to do.

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Speaker 1: So I'm already.

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Speaker 4: Because it's not like the food stamp benefits are super

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Speaker 4: luxurious to start with. By the end of the month,

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Speaker 4: they're gone and you're waiting for that next tranche to hit.

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Speaker 4: And so you know, people really feeling the pain there.

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Speaker 4: And now we already have a lot of chaos in

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Speaker 4: the air because there's been every day you see ground

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Speaker 4: stop here, groundstop there, groundstop wherever, because air traffic controllers

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Speaker 4: are not getting paid. I saw somebody share online like

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Speaker 4: the zero dollar pay stub that they receive for working

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Speaker 4: as an air traffic controller. And now the government is

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Speaker 4: going to enforce a ten percent cut on all airline

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Speaker 4: flights to deal with the fact that, you know, you

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Speaker 4: still are shut down and people aren't getting paid, and

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Speaker 4: so people are not showing up to work and they're

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Speaker 4: taking their leave, et cetera. Not to mention like these

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Speaker 4: are the kind of jobs where you really want people

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Speaker 4: to be like locked in and not having to worry

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Speaker 4: about am I going to be able to like pay

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Speaker 4: my health insurance premium and make my rent this month? So,

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Speaker 4: you know, as we had into Thanksgiving here people with

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Speaker 4: no food stamp benefits and looking at the air travel situation,

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Speaker 4: which is already a nightmare, and wondering if their holiday

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Speaker 4: plans are even remotely possible. At this point, I feel like,

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Speaker 4: you know, we're already at the place where these things

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Speaker 4: are becoming incredibly painful.

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Speaker 6: Let's hear a.

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Speaker 3: Little bit from the airlines.

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Speaker 11: Let's put this all into context. The US handles about

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Speaker 11: forty five thousand flights a day. A ten percent reduction

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Speaker 11: of that is worse than the worst cancelation day of

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Speaker 11: the past year every day until the shutdown ends. So

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Speaker 11: this is not a small tweak. Aviation's a multi billion

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Speaker 11: dollar industry. And when you slow the system, you slow commerce,

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Speaker 11: air travel, supply chains, deliveries nationwide.

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Speaker 6: The clock is really ticking now.

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Speaker 11: Never in modern US aviation history has the federal government

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Speaker 11: done an across the board cut of flight capacity like this,

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Speaker 11: and now it seems that passengers are going to be

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Speaker 11: the one paying for it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to a conference in Lisbon on Sunday night,

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Speaker 5: and so I don't think they're canceling the transatlantic flights

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Speaker 5: for like economic and geopolitical reasons, but who knows.

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Speaker 6: We'll see.

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Speaker 3: Maybe yeah.

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Speaker 5: For me on Wednesday, but maybe I'll maybe I'll actually

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Speaker 5: be there.

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Speaker 7: And it's just the idea that everyone is going to

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Speaker 7: see this and blame Democrats when Republicans are in power.

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Speaker 2: It just I mean, like, I I understand Democrats are

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Speaker 2: the ones withholding their votes.

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Speaker 7: I get that, But I think what Trump is realized

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Speaker 7: just since the elections, if these leagues are to be believed,

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Speaker 7: is that they're the ones that are in power and

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Speaker 7: people are pointing the fingers at them. So when Sean

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Speaker 7: Duffy is the one who's the head of transportation and

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Speaker 7: has to go out and talk about this, they're like, oh,

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Speaker 7: this is the Trump guy, right, Like, that's just the

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Speaker 7: association people make in their minds. This is that this

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Speaker 7: is the Trump administration, who's who's telling us about these shutdowns,

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Speaker 7: and it all goes back to them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Trump has been saying that, you know, energy costs are down,

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Speaker 8: which we have a clip of right here, So huge truth.

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Speaker 8: This is his pivot to affordability.

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Speaker 12: Let's take a listen, talk about the cost of Thanksgiving

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Speaker 12: and the cost of living through Thanksgiving and enjoying Thanksgiving for.

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Speaker 5: That it is for me at a later time.

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Speaker 11: Our energy costs the way down, Our groceries are way down.

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Speaker 11: Everything is way down, and the press isn't reported the

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Speaker 11: press reports whatever.

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Speaker 6: The con people say.

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Speaker 2: You know, I called the Democrats con men and women.

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Speaker 8: All right, so Crystal, you have been debunked. Actually everything

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Speaker 8: is cheap and everything's down.

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Speaker 4: Well, I did see there was a community note, which

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Speaker 4: are getting I think rare at this point. But on this,

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Speaker 4: on this clip of the president, apparently the Walmart basket

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Speaker 4: of goods he's talking about contains like eight fewer items

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Speaker 4: than it did last year, and they swapped in like

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Speaker 4: the Walmart brand for the brand names or whatever. So

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Speaker 4: we're not comparing apples to apples here, not that any

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Speaker 4: of you needed me to tell you that, because you

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Speaker 4: all exist and presumably eat food and purchase it at

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Speaker 4: some spore somewhere and so have some awareness of what

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Speaker 4: the prices are doing right now, which is really the problem.

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Speaker 4: Like you know, I think we're not getting economic data

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Speaker 4: from the government because of the shutdown. Even before that,

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Speaker 4: there was a question of whether getting data at all,

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Speaker 4: or accurate data. I think there was a sense from

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Speaker 4: the Trump administration that if they just fudge the numbers

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Speaker 4: that they'd be able to lie to people about what

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Speaker 4: was going on with the economy. That is not going

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Speaker 4: to work because people have their own direct, tangible experience

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Speaker 4: of what's in my bank account? Can I afford the

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Speaker 4: things that I could afford previously? Am I making it

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Speaker 4: to the end of the month? Do I have sufficient

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Speaker 4: money for rent? Can I ever dream of owning a

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Speaker 4: home or paying my health insurance premium? You know, so

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Speaker 4: I don't need like a government statistician to tell me

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Speaker 4: how things are going for me economically in my own life.

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Speaker 1: He go ahead, Ryan, No.

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Speaker 5: I was just saying exactly right. Trump's consolidation of the

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Speaker 5: media is like obviously that's helpful to him. But controlling

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Speaker 5: CBS News is only going to get you so far,

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Speaker 5: because exactly like people live in the world. They go

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Speaker 5: to the grocery store, they see what a bad cost,

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Speaker 5: they know what it used to cost. They see their

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Speaker 5: checking account, they see they know what they used to

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Speaker 5: have at the end of the month, and now what

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Speaker 5: they now have at the end of the month. And

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Speaker 5: you know, nothing Barry Weise tells them is going to

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Speaker 5: change that. So you can only you can only go

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Speaker 5: so far with the you know, the control of the media.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's totally true. So I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Ryan, do you think I saw before the

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Speaker 4: election there was some sense of Democrats being like, oh,

658
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Speaker 4: maybe we'll take a deal. Then I saw there was

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Speaker 4: you know, Bernie Sanders was trying to rev up all

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Speaker 4: the troops like they're you know, you got to stand

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Speaker 4: strong at this point. I saw an axious article that

662
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Speaker 4: was like Democratic members of the House and activists are

663
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Speaker 4: telling leadership there will be hell to pay from the

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Speaker 4: base if you guys cave at this point. So where

665
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Speaker 4: do you think, you know things stand in terms of

666
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Speaker 4: how Democrats are thinking about this.

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Speaker 5: I think I think Republicans are also and curious families

668
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Speaker 5: take on this very motivated in the Senate to get

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Speaker 5: a deal because Trump is putting enormous pressure on them

670
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Speaker 5: to get rid of the filibuster. They don't want to

671
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Speaker 5: get rid of the filibuster. They probably don't even have

672
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Speaker 5: the votes to get rid of the filibuster, and so

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Speaker 5: in order to get rid of that pressure, they need

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Speaker 5: to get out of this shutdown. So you know they're

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Speaker 5: talking about Democrats want to vote. They're like, just give

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Speaker 5: us a vote, Like, we're not demanding the subsidies, Like,

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Speaker 5: just give us a vote on the subsidies, and we

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Speaker 5: expect that if you put it on the floor, it

679
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Speaker 5: will pass and then we open the government back up.

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Speaker 5: So that I feel like Democrats are dug in on

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Speaker 5: that on that point, which.

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Speaker 7: Means I mean so Republicans are never going to do

683
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Speaker 7: that because it forces them to look like they're voting

684
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Speaker 7: against the substace was actually I don't know if it

685
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Speaker 7: was hickem Jeffrey's idea. It seems like the Schumer idea

686
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Speaker 7: to me. But that's quite a clever trap. But what

687
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 7: that will do is force Republicans to come to the table,

688
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Speaker 7: give a little bit of something to get out of

689
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Speaker 7: that public relations nightmare. Now, the substance of it is

690
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 7: obviously a nightmare for everybody who's about to see a

691
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Speaker 7: massive spike and is already seeing the massive spike. But

692
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Speaker 7: that's how dumbs are negotiating by putting Republicans in a

693
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Speaker 7: little bit of a pr pickle, by making them vote

694
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Speaker 7: on it, so that means Republicans are going to have to,

695
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Speaker 7: in all likelihood give something. And that's what Trump has

696
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Speaker 7: been absolutely resistant to doing. And if the midterm or

697
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Speaker 7: the off your elections kind of broke his resolve on

698
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Speaker 7: that question, seeing what happened just basically across the board

699
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Speaker 7: with them running up the margins, maybe that's the Maybe

700
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Speaker 7: that's the sign that you, John Thune and Mike Johnson

701
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Speaker 7: need to actually go to the table and have serious

702
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Speaker 7: conversations about what policies there's give and take on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, And part of the reason why Republicans are very

705
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Speaker 4: adamant about not getting rid of the film is I

706
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Speaker 4: think it's starting to set in for them that they

707
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Speaker 4: are not going to always be in power, that some

708
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Speaker 4: of the wilder things that are being done by the

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Speaker 4: Trump administration they're starting to imagine what if president.

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Speaker 1: Of AOC had those powers?

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Speaker 4: What could she not that she would because I don't know,

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Speaker 4: Democrats don't seem to use power in the same way

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Speaker 4: Republicans did.

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Speaker 1: But it's also a different day.

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Speaker 4: You just add, you know, normy liberal voters vote for

716
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Speaker 4: a guy who threatened murder's opponent, political opponent. So it's

717
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Speaker 4: a different vibe out there than it used to be.

718
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Speaker 4: We're no longer doing the like you go low, we

719
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Speaker 4: go high thing that's that's out the window. So you know,

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Speaker 4: with the like the Supreme Court and the tariffs, right,

721
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Speaker 4: they were floating, Okay, well, could a future president declare

722
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Speaker 4: a climate change emergency? I saw some reporting about Republicans

723
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Speaker 4: privately being like, you know, if Biden had sent let's say,

724
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Speaker 4: Illinois National Guard troops into my state of Arkansas, Oklahoma

725
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Speaker 4: or whatever, we would have lost our damn minds. Not

726
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Speaker 4: so sure about this precedent. And you know, it's the

727
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 4: same thing with the filibuster, where they're like, okay, if

728
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Speaker 4: we get rid of that, they could add senators from DC,

729
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 4: they could add senators from Puerto Rico, they could you know,

730
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Speaker 4: they could add ceases, Supreme Court or at least term

731
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Speaker 4: limit or age limit the Supreme Court. These things would

732
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Speaker 4: be much more on the table and would change some

733
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Speaker 4: of the balance that right now is you know, in

734
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Speaker 4: favor because of Republicans. Rural dominance is kind of electorally

735
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Speaker 4: favorable towards Republicans. So in that vein, there was a

736
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Speaker 4: clip from the clip from Steve Bannon that I've been

737
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Speaker 4: itching to get to, where he told an audience like, hey, listen,

738
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Speaker 4: if they win the min terms, some of us, including me,

739
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Speaker 4: are going to jail. Let's go and take a listen

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Speaker 4: to the way that he frames us.

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Speaker 12: And I will tell you right now, as God is

742
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Speaker 12: my witness, if we lose the midterms, and we lose

743
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Speaker 12: twenty twenty eight, some in this room are going to prison,

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Speaker 12: myself included.

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Speaker 6: They're not going to stop.

746
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Speaker 13: They're getting more and more and more radical, and.

747
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Speaker 6: We have to counter that. And what do we have

748
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Speaker 6: to counter it with.

749
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Speaker 3: We have to counter it with.

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Speaker 13: More action, more intense action, more urgency. We're burning daylight

751
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Speaker 13: if you look across every aspect of this. We have

752
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Speaker 13: to codify what President Trump has done by executive order, right,

753
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Speaker 13: we have we have to codify it.

754
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Speaker 1: Some tepical posture. Yeah, if he's worried about we've.

755
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Speaker 5: Got we're not letting, then we're not letting. The AOC

756
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Speaker 5: regime put Steve Bannon in jail.

757
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Speaker 4: I am not aware of any recent Steve Bannon crimes.

758
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Speaker 4: I mean, he did already go to prison for some things.

759
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Speaker 4: You know, we had to whole build the wall for

760
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Speaker 4: aud and whatever. I'm not aware of any new Steve

761
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Speaker 4: Bannon crimes. I do have some other people in mind

762
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Speaker 4: who are committing crimes that I don't think Steven Miller

763
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Speaker 4: should feel comfortable with his you know, ongoing freedom in

764
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Speaker 4: a few I think some of these things will be

765
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Speaker 4: littmus to us in a democratic primer.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's wrong.

767
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Speaker 4: About that, but they're you know, their sense accurate or

768
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Speaker 4: not right, because again I don't see Democrats using power

769
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Speaker 4: in the same way that Republicans do. Their sense whether

770
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Speaker 4: that is accurate or not, that this is existential. I'm

771
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Speaker 4: sure Emily is going to color the you know, their

772
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Speaker 4: approach to politics and the way that they conduct themselves

773
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Speaker 4: from here on out.

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Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, I mean I think it already is.

775
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Speaker 7: I agree, Yeah, I think Bannon went to prison for

776
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 7: defying a subpoena, congressional subpoena. It was almost unprecedented. I

777
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Speaker 7: may have literally been unprecedented. I think maybe it happened

778
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Speaker 7: one other time or you would know this, but it was.

779
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Speaker 7: I mean that after that, it changed the way a

780
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 7: lot of people saw these things. Actually, I doubt that

781
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 7: Stephen Miller is fully comfortable. I'm sure he understands that

782
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 7: there could be, you know, significant legal challenges or whatever

783
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 7: mounted by Democrats from their back of power and a

784
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 7: lot of this. I mean, Biden declared an emergency to

785
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 7: do student loan relief and honestly, nobody really cared like

786
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 7: that wasn't a major issue that the public backlash was

787
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 7: crazy over. And partially the reason that a fairly career,

788
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 7: moderate establishment guy like Joe Biden did that is because

789
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 7: Donald Trump violated lots of norms, and again nobody cares.

790
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Speaker 2: Seems to care.

791
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 7: Maybe the one norm that there's been significant backlash too

792
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 7: was law fair against Trump. I think the public had

793
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 7: a reaction to that that was overwhelmingly negative. But otherwise,

794
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 7: something Ryan said, I don't know six months ago, it

795
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 7: just like stays with me and haunts me. It's like

796
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Speaker 7: you don't want to be the type of country where

797
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 7: anybody who runs for office does so with the expectation

798
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Speaker 7: that they could go to prison, because the incentive structure

799
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Speaker 7: is just a disaster in that case, and it just

800
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 7: creates a total rot that we've always been priding ourselves,

801
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Speaker 7: So we've always prided ourselves and sort of having a

802
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 7: system that's better than that.

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Speaker 2: And the system depends on the the.

804
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Speaker 7: People, and that's where things are looking.

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Speaker 3: You have a question to Ryan on that.

806
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Speaker 8: That doesn't make sense to me, because then doesn't that

807
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 8: just give people that, like you, once you get in

808
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 8: an office, you can commit any crime. Isn't like so

809
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 8: many of our problems built around the fact that none

810
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 8: of these people go away, Like there's no elite accountability.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, be true.

812
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Speaker 8: The architects of the Iraq War like everything around.

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Speaker 3: So, like what do think about that?

814
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Speaker 5: Both things are true if you accept like that, you know,

815
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Speaker 5: there are some norms that are that we abide and

816
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 5: like let's say we don't torture people, and that when

817
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 5: Obama comes in, he launches an investigation into torture and

818
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 5: did people break the law when it comes to torture?

819
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Speaker 6: Uh?

820
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Speaker 5: And if the public broadly across the board accepts that

821
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Speaker 5: that behavior was outside of the norms of what we allow.

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Speaker 5: Then that does not create a precedent that everybody then

823
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Speaker 5: assumes if they lose office, that they're going to go

824
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Speaker 5: to prison, because the are a lot of countries where

825
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 5: that is just an accepted kind of part of cost

826
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Speaker 5: of doing business. I'm going to get into politics, and

827
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Speaker 5: I know at some point I'm going to get thrown

828
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Speaker 5: out office and I'm going to go to prison, and

829
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Speaker 5: then I'll probably get out of prison. Like basically every

830
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Speaker 5: prime minister in Pakistan is going to prison at some

831
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Speaker 5: point and then oftentimes comes back and becomes a prime minister.

832
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Speaker 6: Again.

833
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Speaker 5: It happens the current one in fact. But if you

834
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Speaker 5: start prosecuting people for things that are within the norms,

835
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Speaker 5: that's when just because they're your opponent, that's when it

836
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Speaker 5: creates this unwillingness then to seed power.

837
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Speaker 7: Then, and you don't get prosecutions for like, well, I

838
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Speaker 7: don't know, war crimes, like crimes against humanity.

839
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Speaker 2: You get ham Sandwich prosecutions where.

840
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Speaker 5: It's like cooked up stuff like this mortgage broad nonsense,

841
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Speaker 5: where like it's clearly James has like a second home

842
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Speaker 5: where her niece lives in it and the Trump administration

843
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 5: jins up this fake prosecution to say like, oh, it's

844
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Speaker 5: like this is actually a rental property and she claimed

845
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Speaker 5: it as primary. It's like rental, who's the renter? There's

846
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Speaker 5: no renternet.

847
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Speaker 3: I get it for the fake crimes.

848
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Speaker 8: But like, so are we saying that Steven Miller shouldn't

849
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Speaker 8: like go to jail for his crime?

850
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Speaker 5: So that that's what that's why I'm saying that you

851
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 5: have to have full public buy in to go after

852
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 5: people for crimes they committed while in office, like Nicks,

853
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 5: like Nixon, Like let's say he wasn't pardoned. The public

854
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 5: was bought in on prosecutions because what he did was

855
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 5: assumed to be outside the bounds of what was acceptable

856
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 5: and public and people were okay that nobody's above the law.

857
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Speaker 5: And so if you if if you get the public's

858
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 5: buy in, but in both both parties, then you can

859
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 5: do it and you don't create a cycle of everybody

860
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Speaker 5: just throwing each other in prison. So that's that's the

861
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 5: that's the distinction. There doesn't mean you can't have accountability.

862
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 5: It just means if you throw everyone in prison for

863
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 5: being on the other side, and you really undermine the

864
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 5: ability of the elections to actually see a real peaceful

865
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 5: transfer of power, because.

866
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Speaker 3: You can break you need a power, right, so if

867
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Speaker 3: you break the law.

868
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Speaker 7: Law.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's say Biden went through like the Supreme courts like, no,

870
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Speaker 5: you can't do the debt cancelation, which they told him,

871
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 5: and he's like, no, you're that you're wrong, I can

872
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 5: do that, Like I disagree, and he just does it

873
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 5: and the public is like, good, yeah, I f the

874
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Speaker 5: Supreme Court on this, like who, Like, who's the Supreme

875
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 5: Court to come in?

876
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Speaker 6: They're wrong?

877
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Speaker 5: And then the public's with you, and then you don't

878
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Speaker 5: lock Biden up for that.

879
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: But this is why Bannon is scared.

880
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 7: Because Bannon went to prison for a fairly norm breaking

881
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 7: prosecution over subpoena defiant and nobody cared, right, Like the

882
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 7: right cared, of course, like hardcore and MAGA absolutely cared.

883
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: But the media didn't come to his defense.

884
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Speaker 4: The the I mean, but it is also emily, I mean,

885
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 4: let's not downplay what he did either. They wanted him

886
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 4: to testify and he was just like fuck you, and

887
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 4: like that also doesn't allow your system to function, like

888
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 4: if people if Congress, you know, has a subpoena power

889
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 4: and power to investigate and they're going through you know,

890
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 4: the proper procedure and your subpoena and you're just like, no,

891
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:23,479
Speaker 4: I'm not going.

892
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 6: To do it.

893
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 5: And if you're doing that, you can't, like you can't.

894
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 4: We can't operate this way, right, And I think there's

895
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Speaker 4: a ryan you race this possibility like that may be

896
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Speaker 4: what we're facing. If if when Democrats take control of

897
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Speaker 4: the House, for example, you could see you know, a

898
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Speaker 4: lot more of that.

899
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Speaker 1: Where dy in theory have some power.

900
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 4: But if it's if people just refuse to you know,

901
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 4: refuse to submit to the subpoenas and the administration refuses to comply,

902
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 4: then you're at the mercy of you know, whatever judicial

903
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 4: process to say like no, actually they do have this

904
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Speaker 4: power and you have to comply.

905
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Speaker 2: So I just think it when it happens in one

906
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: direct o. Sorry right now, I'll just saying what it

907
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 2: happens in one direction. That's where ban is like people

908
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: don't care, people like it doesn't.

909
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Speaker 1: Doesn't But what's another equip I mean, what's another.

910
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Speaker 8: Equivalent komy right, Like we were arguing about Kome the

911
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 8: other week, and that doesn't I mean, it's different slightly

912
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Speaker 8: different crime, but I mean kind of similar settings.

913
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Speaker 4: Tommy didn't commit. I mean, I think the Komi prosecution

914
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 4: is total and complete bullshit. And that's not to say

915
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Speaker 4: I'm a Kobe fan, but like, give me an equivalent situation.

916
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Speaker 1: There may be one. I'm not saying that there's not.

917
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Speaker 4: I'm just not aware of an equivalent situation where you

918
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Speaker 4: had a Democrat who was subpoena to, you know, testify

919
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 4: before Congress and they're just like not doing No, I'm

920
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 4: not going to do it.

921
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: So it has happened before.

922
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 7: It's definitely happened before where other people have done it,

923
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Speaker 7: but going to prison.

924
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Speaker 2: Let's see, I'm looking up. I'm cracking it right now.

925
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Speaker 6: Not really.

926
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Speaker 7: I think a lot of it came from like Cold

927
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Speaker 7: War wargate days. Yeah, it looks like the last one

928
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 7: before Bannon was like in the mid eighties, and.

929
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Speaker 5: It happens to journalists, like journalists get subpoena for their

930
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Speaker 5: sources and journalists refused to give the sources.

931
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Speaker 2: Judy Miller, again, this is.

932
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Speaker 4: Not like that's you know, that's not the same either,

933
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 4: because that's like a principle just didn't want to say

934
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Speaker 4: anything that was inconvenient for Trump, you know, yeah, but

935
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Speaker 4: the point.

936
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Speaker 5: The point is it's not unprecedented to go to prison

937
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Speaker 5: for refusing a subpoena.

938
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Speaker 4: Yeah so yeah, So your point is even journalists who

939
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,959
Speaker 4: have like a good reason to refuse it have still

940
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: been in prison for it.

941
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Speaker 5: Right, And that was a really awkward time for people

942
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Speaker 5: because Judy was, you know, one of the most discredited

943
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Speaker 5: reporters out there, but you still had to stand by

944
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Speaker 5: the principle that protecting your sources even if they're awful.

945
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Speaker 7: Other examples like Eric Holder, Lois Learner, those are good examples,

946
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Speaker 7: but also Carl Rove, that's one of the things Ali

947
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Speaker 7: North was pardoned for, and Elliott Ambram's was pardoned for.

948
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Speaker 7: Actually I'm going deep now, but anyway, Yeah, it's it's

949
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Speaker 7: it's a bad situation.

950
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Speaker 2: So it's bleak, it's bleak, it's bleak, all right.

951
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Speaker 5: Joining us now is Michael Blake, former mayoral candidate, former

952
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Speaker 5: vice chair of the DNC, former assemblyman from the Bronx,

953
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Speaker 5: who has launched this week a primary challenge to Representative

954
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Speaker 5: Richie Torres. Michael, thanks for joining us.

955
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Speaker 6: Great to be with you. How are we doing today?

956
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Speaker 5: While doing good? You're joining us from Puerto Rico. I understand,

957
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 5: which it seems like everyone in the New York echelon

958
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 5: is there, Mom, Donnie, I've seen a bunch of other

959
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 5: people are in Puerto Rico. What is what is what's

960
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 5: going on there?

961
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Speaker 11: Like?

962
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 5: Why did everybody DeCamp?

963
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Speaker 6: Kathy Hockle Kathy, I mean the elected officials that care

964
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Speaker 6: about New Yorker here, which is why Richie Torres is not.

965
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Speaker 6: And so right we are here at the SOMOS conference.

966
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Speaker 6: It is one of three major political events that happened

967
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Speaker 6: for New York throughout the course of the year. Uh.

968
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Speaker 6: And when you think about the Bronx and you think

969
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 6: about New York, Puerto Rico is obviously intertwined. And so

970
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 6: just yesterday I was able to go spend some time

971
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Speaker 6: with powerful Puerto Rico local nonprofit doing incredible things. Today

972
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Speaker 6: I'm leading a session around democracy in the community. And

973
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Speaker 6: if you care about New York, you care about Puerto Rico.

974
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Speaker 6: And if you care about the Brons, care about Puerto Rico,

975
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 6: which is exactly why I'm running for Congress, because you

976
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 6: need to have someone who's actually going to fight for

977
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Speaker 6: the people in the Bronx. And Richie Torres once again

978
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Speaker 6: is absent, Griff, can you.

979
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Speaker 4: Yeah, can you cueue up his uh Michael's launch video

980
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 4: so we can all get a taste of that. I

981
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 4: really watch watch closely because there's a bit of a

982
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 4: cameo from some folks that you might know here.

983
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Speaker 5: And as I was living in these slum conditions, the

984
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 5: city was spending more than one hundred million dollars on

985
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 5: a golf course.

986
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: Is just exposed for secretly investing in genocide. Well, these

987
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: things I say about Richie Torres.

988
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 6: Since twenty twenty one, Richie Torres has represented New York's

989
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 6: fifteen congressional district, the poorest congressional district in America. In

990
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 6: twenty twenty five, Richie has nearly fifteen million dollars on hand,

991
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 6: largely from APAC, while many of his constituents barely have

992
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 6: fifteen dollars to get buy. So he spent the last

993
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 6: fifteen days hearing from the people about why they are

994
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 6: ready for a change.

995
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 2: I saw Richie. I know he suffered.

996
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 6: What happens to you is you get boughted.

997
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 5: It is so hard to keep your moral integrity once

998
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 5: you start jogging the money he profited from.

999
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 6: He talks about that place far more often than he

1000
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 6: talks about the Bronx.

1001
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 11: You were criticized for black donation the architects of the

1002
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 11: housing crisis.

1003
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: What an asshole.

1004
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 6: But you cannot be a representative in a school New

1005
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 6: York and you call.

1006
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: That Richie Dorris sucks not as always.

1007
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 6: Richie cares more about BBI than he cares about the Bronx,

1008
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 6: more about APAC than he does about your academics. So

1009
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 6: do you want to stay with someone who only wants

1010
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 6: to care about them sell or do you want to

1011
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 6: have someone in me and Michael Blake who actually wants

1012
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 6: to care for the people. I'm reimagining what the city

1013
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 6: can look like. I'm named after Jamaican prime ministers Michael Manley,

1014
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 6: Alexander Bustabonte, Brokee, Crested and Burnside. Remember the days back

1015
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 6: in the day when you go to Woolworth to go shop,

1016
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 6: stay key, go kick it.

1017
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: Track record spoken for itself for years.

1018
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 6: When we think about why elect me, think about cost

1019
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 6: of living and affordability, we can get people in better.

1020
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 6: Tack thinks about a new vision when it comes to education.

1021
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 6: I will hold out an extensive education plan and lastly

1022
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 6: show the vision of how we can bring real change

1023
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 6: to the district.

1024
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 4: So Michael, I think the ad speaks for itself. The

1025
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 4: launch video speaks for itself. In terms of the case

1026
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 4: against Richie Tours. I also will say, I don't know

1027
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 4: that our audience needs the case made against Ritchie Tours.

1028
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 4: I think they're all on board with, you know, wanting

1029
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 4: to see a change there. But just give our audience

1030
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 4: a little bit of a sense of who you are.

1031
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 4: How'd you end up in this place, you know, your

1032
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 4: sort of political journey to this moment.

1033
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 6: This is home for me, Crystal. I'm born and raised

1034
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 6: in the district. I grew up crusted in Burnside. I

1035
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 6: always tell people, you know, I'm a PS seventy nine

1036
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 6: one ateen you deal with Clinton High School kid. My

1037
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 6: elementary school is the one that Jonathan Colezl wrote about

1038
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 6: in Savage Inequalities. My high school is the one that

1039
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 6: has the largest alumni association in the world. So James

1040
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 6: Baldwin County Coloring, Charlie Rangele, and we have for decades

1041
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 6: been the poorest congressional district, where a place that's constantly disrespected.

1042
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 6: My family's from Jamaica. I'm actually going to be going

1043
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 6: down next week to go check on families in Jamaica

1044
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 6: and figure out how we mobilize in the community. My

1045
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 6: full name is I'm named after Jamaican Prime Minister. So

1046
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 6: I always tease my mom that her and Daddy are

1047
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 6: the reasons I am this. You know that I am

1048
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 6: the epitome of a Jamaica's stereotype of tree job. So

1049
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 6: I'm I'm a preacher, I'm a public servant and been

1050
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 6: in journalist. I'm doing this because we deserve better in

1051
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 6: the Bronx. I'm doing this because right now we have

1052
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 6: someone who is not focused on what's actually happening on

1053
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 6: the ground. We're actually not helping people by wages. We

1054
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 6: have longer pantry lines, Christa Rhyan, everybody. Earlier this week

1055
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 6: I was at a seven day Adventist church where there

1056
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 6: are more than four hundred people standing in line at

1057
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 6: a weekly food pantry. So you have a scenario where

1058
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 6: we're not being helped, we're not being represented, and someone

1059
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 6: in Richie Torres who just doesn't give a damn bout us,

1060
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 6: And when we think about them, the moment that's at

1061
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 6: stake right here, as we just saw with Zoron's win, well,

1062
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 6: I probably cross endorsed. We cross endorse each other in

1063
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 6: the Mayo primary. I said very clearly, if it's not me,

1064
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 6: it should be him, because we were talking about the

1065
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 6: most important issue that people cared about, which is cost

1066
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 6: to living. And people are ready for a new generation

1067
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 6: of leadership and they're tired of these folks who don't

1068
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 6: give a damn about them. And Richie Torres is that

1069
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 6: that's why im running?

1070
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Speaker 5: By the way, Yeah, yeah. For people watching, the book

1071
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 5: Savage and Qualities is a searing portrait of education, the

1072
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 5: education crisis of inequality. Uh in America. That's amazing that

1073
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 5: you went to that school.

1074
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Speaker 6: People.

1075
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 5: Everybody should check that check that book out.

1076
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 6: I was there at the time he wrote about it.

1077
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 6: Bryan James, did you know him?

1078
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 5: Because didn't he speak? Didn't he teach at the school

1079
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 5: for a while I knew.

1080
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 6: I actually got to meet Jonathan afterwards. James Carter was

1081
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 6: my principal, and I said often, Hm, Principal Carter was

1082
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 6: I think the only black man I could remember in

1083
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 6: an education role until I got to college. Wow. Wow wow.

1084
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 5: So when we want to talk about the Bronx soon

1085
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 5: as the as the as your launch ad makes clear,

1086
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 5: like you're You're you're hitting him from both directions, saying

1087
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 5: that he's too focused on his support for Israel and

1088
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 5: not focused enough on the on the Bronx. What has

1089
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 5: been your own journey, you know when it comes to

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Speaker 5: support for Israel, my understanding, you tell correct me, I'm wrong.

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Speaker 5: You took an APAC funded trip, which is the thing

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Speaker 5: that you know, most politicians are offered an APAC trip

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Speaker 5: to Israel to get the propaganda version. When was that?

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Speaker 5: What was that trip like? And what is your journey

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Speaker 5: been like on the question of the US relationship with Israel?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, like all things life, is that journey and it

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Speaker 6: has been that journey to see the truth right. So

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Speaker 6: for context, I was an Obama's staffer who came back

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Speaker 6: to New York. I got elected to office in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 6: In twenty fourteen, I took that trip. I've been to

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Speaker 6: Israel twice. I went to Israel APAK once and I

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Speaker 6: went with JCRC as well, just community, real counsel. And

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Speaker 6: what you see very quickly is breathtaking in many ways.

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Speaker 6: Of yes, you can act now knowledge and recognize the

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Speaker 6: power and beauty that happens in all parts of our world.

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Speaker 6: But I remember being a part of a meeting where

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Speaker 6: an individual set apartheid is happening, and then the meeting

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Speaker 6: was stopped. I recognize and saw the power of when

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Speaker 6: you have someone who was from Ethiopia talked about the

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Speaker 6: recognition of Israel and that dynamic. I get that, and

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Speaker 6: I saw that. I appreciated that, but Ryan Christ and

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Speaker 6: everybody that the journey continued thereafter because you start to

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00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 6: then realize slowly that you were being given a side

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Speaker 6: that's not giving the full picture. Twenty seventeen, I spoke

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Speaker 6: at an APAC conference and particularly it was around Black

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Speaker 6: and Jewish leaders coming together for that moment, and I said,

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Speaker 6: within one of those events, APAK had changed my life

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Speaker 6: forever in that moment because quite frankly, it allowed me

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Speaker 6: to go to Israel, which I had never been before,

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Speaker 6: to see it, which I'm also an ordained reverend, which

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Speaker 6: obviously adds to this dynamic. You know, I was able

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Speaker 6: to baptize people in the River Jordan. I was able

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Speaker 6: to pray at the Western Law, I was able to

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Speaker 6: lead the sermon on the Mount. But as soon as

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Speaker 6: we came off stage, bib Nan Yahoo was speaking virtually

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Speaker 6: and when the reference of President Obama was made, the

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Speaker 6: room started to booth, and that's when you start to

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Speaker 6: realize that you are being pushed a message from a

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Speaker 6: pack that is not fully true and direct and sincere

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Speaker 6: about what is happening. Now people will say to me, well,

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Speaker 6: why did you continue to go to some of the meetings,

1132
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Speaker 6: because you know, at the end of the day, with

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Speaker 6: any journey, you want to learn what's happening. But then

1134
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Speaker 6: you get to a point where you say enough is enough.

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Speaker 6: And what has happened. What has happened is that you

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Speaker 6: have an organization in a pac where just earlier this

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Speaker 6: year was reported that forty six percent of their donors

1138
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Speaker 6: in democratic primaries had also given to Republican races for

1139
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Speaker 6: the purpose of having a Republican light democrat in these races.

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Speaker 6: What has happened is that you have a genocide that

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Speaker 6: is occurring and as a human being to ignore that.

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Speaker 6: And it's not just Michael Blake saying that, that's the

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00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 6: United Nations and so many others that are stating that

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00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 6: you cannot ignore that. Let us also be very clear

1145
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 6: that to tell a black man who has endured racism

1146
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Speaker 6: and poverty and challenges who also preaches that me being

1147
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 6: critical of a government does not make me anti Israel

1148
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 6: in the same way I've said to folks, if you

1149
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 6: could criticize Donald Trump, that does not make you anti American.

1150
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 6: And we have allowed right now this game where people

1151
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 6: are trying to push me into a box and push

1152
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Speaker 6: others into the box. And what's actually true, so where

1153
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 6: we're at right here today is that journey is a

1154
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 6: continual one. And unless you were with me where I

1155
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 6: prayed and cried with people because it was Jews, Christians

1156
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 6: and Muslims, they would have prayed together, who at the

1157
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Speaker 6: same time have now elected a thirty four year old

1158
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,280
Speaker 6: Muslim South Asian man as mayor, who at the same

1159
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 6: time can acknowledge the magnitude of it. And then, lastly,

1160
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Speaker 6: on a final personal note, in terms of that journey,

1161
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Speaker 6: World Central Kitchen and Jose Andras many people have seen

1162
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 6: is a dear friend. Jose has been a blessing to me.

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Speaker 6: He brought World Central Kitchen to the Bronx during COVID,

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Speaker 6: which I will say that in twenty twenty, when we

1165
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 6: were focusing on feeding families, Richie towards focus on raising money.

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Speaker 6: One of the people in world such in Kitchen Zuri

1167
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 6: was one of the individuals that was killed by the

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Speaker 6: attack that came from the Israeli government where they said, well,

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00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 6: it wasn't our intention, and that was not the case.

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Speaker 6: And so when I asked people is to look at

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Speaker 6: the breadth of it all. The journey has been very

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Speaker 6: real for me. It's one where you understand that information

1173
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 6: is being given to you that's not fully comprehensive. But

1174
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 6: we're at today is you can say at the same

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00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 6: time that yes, what Hamas did is inhumane, and at

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Speaker 6: the same time that Palestinians losing their lives because of

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Speaker 6: a genocide is inhumane. You can say at the same

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Speaker 6: time that we must end anti Semitism, while at the

1179
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 6: same time we've got to end Islamophobia, and others who

1180
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 6: are unwilling to say that should not be in office.

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Speaker 7: One question I have from the ad based on everything

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Speaker 7: you just outlined, it seems to me a calculated strategy.

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Speaker 2: When you mentioned Richie Torres.

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Speaker 7: An apac you tie that right back to what you

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Speaker 7: discussed as your sort of central motive for running for office,

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Speaker 7: which is affordability.

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Speaker 2: And cost of living.

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Speaker 7: And I was just curious if that was intentional, if

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Speaker 7: that is part of how you see making this argument

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Speaker 7: because it's easy, especially when with you, when you're in

1191
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 7: the online discourse, to get down the rabbit hole of

1192
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 7: elite obsessions and having some of these fascinating conversations about

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00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 7: history and all of that. But for a lot of

1194
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 7: average people, they're trying to put food on the table.

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Speaker 7: So was that a concerted strategy to tie these all together?

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Speaker 7: And how do you see the connection between Torres being

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Speaker 7: a kind of guy who takes money from a pack

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Speaker 7: and is also maybe behind on economic populism.

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Speaker 6: That he's not focusing on the number one issue, which

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Speaker 6: is cost of living. He's not focusing on how people

1201
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 6: need help. You know. Look, I'm that kid that understands

1202
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 6: when we had to sell dinners on Saturday afternoons to

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00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 6: pay rent. You know that first year in the Assembly

1204
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 6: when I slept on the couch because I couldn't afford

1205
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 6: the dynamic of going back in Alboney, Like, the reality

1206
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 6: is people are struggling, even if they have multiple jobs,

1207
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 6: they are struggling. They're wondering how they're gonna pay their bills.

1208
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 6: And I wanted to be very clear that his focus

1209
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 6: on a pack and supporting a pack as it is

1210
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 6: and continues to be, is not having a focus on

1211
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 6: what the people need right now, which is better housing.

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00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 6: For example, Richie set himself that nights of New York

1213
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 6: City Housing Authority public housing is federal oversight. There was

1214
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 6: an explosion that happened at the Mitchell Houses just recently.

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01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 6: Richie also was the chair of Housing in the City Council.

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01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 6: So when we think about the dynamic, it's been a

1217
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 6: continual failure of not fixing the problem when it comes

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Speaker 6: to housing. When I talked, as I said in the ad,

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Speaker 6: what would I do end credit scores being used for

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Speaker 6: housing applications and have a local median incomes because every

1221
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Speaker 6: meediing income is not working for us on the ground.

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01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 6: So to your question, I'm able to say, let me

1223
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Speaker 6: focus on helping people. When Richie has not been focused

1224
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 6: on helping the people. When we talk about what's going

1225
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 6: on as it relates to Puerto Rico, the need for

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01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 6: self determination, he has not been focused on this. When

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Speaker 6: we talk about what's going on in the Caribbean. In Jamaica,

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Speaker 6: immediately I said, how do we help our Jamaican, our Dominican,

1229
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 6: our Haitian communities All the same time, when we talk

1230
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 6: about what's going on on education, where schools are wondering

1231
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 6: right now, how is it that we're going to be

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Speaker 6: able to help these kids go to school and graduate

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Speaker 6: from school. I want it to be very clear that

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Speaker 6: all of those things have gotten worse under Richie Torres,

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01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 6: and Richie Torres has made a decision that his focus

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01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 6: is not the people of the Bronx. It has been

1237
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Speaker 6: to apac.

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Speaker 4: Michael, tell people a little bit about what would your

1239
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 4: specific policy priorities be.

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Speaker 1: You know, are you are you a Medicare for all guy?

1241
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: Are you? You know?

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Speaker 4: What are what are some of the things that you're

1243
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 4: really wanting to prioritize if you were elected to Congress.

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Speaker 6: First and everything's gonna be around costs of living in

1245
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 6: the economic issue, so I've talked about slut. Credit scores

1246
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 6: for housing have to end. It is a institutionally racist,

1247
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 6: discriminatory policy that you're telling someone who pays their rent

1248
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 6: on time, that pays their bills on time, that the

1249
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 6: reason why they are unable to get access to a

1250
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 6: new home is because of a credit score. Because someone

1251
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 6: might have missed a bill by a day, but they

1252
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 6: paid their rent. It makes no sense whatsoever. It's purely

1253
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 6: the block people out the game. When we think about

1254
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 6: local media and income area median income does not work

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Speaker 6: when you have Westchester County and other counties being a

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Speaker 6: part of what's calculated for AMI and New York. It's

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Speaker 6: making it more expensive for us to have a home

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Speaker 6: in New York. These are federal policies that have local

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Speaker 6: dynamics that I talked about in the previous race, because

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Speaker 6: they're all intertwined because it impacts us in here in

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Speaker 6: the city. When it comes to healthcare, we do need

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Speaker 6: to medicare for all. We do need to be very

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01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 6: focused on how we're helping more people to have coverage

1264
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 6: because what are we watching right now. We're watching every

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01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 6: single day people genuinely wondering will I be covered for

1266
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 6: my healthcare. I'm wondering do I have money for prescription drugs.

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01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 6: I'm wondering what happens for these bills. And so we

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01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 6: have to be serious about this, as you all know,

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01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 6: and when I work President Mama and their affordable care,

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01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 6: there are things we could have gone further, and we

1271
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 6: should have gone further, and this is the moment to

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01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 6: do so right now. And I also think Crystal to

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01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 6: the question of where do we stand in this moment,

1274
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 6: because you're going to have individuals that are going to

1275
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 6: try to paint me and paint anyone that is critical

1276
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 6: understandably of being anti of communities. What people are looking

1277
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Speaker 6: for is how do you communicate a vision where everybody

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01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 6: can win and thrive? And I can't represent an area

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01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 6: like the South Bronx and the fifteenth district without understanding

1280
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 6: that everybody has to have a voice. Multiple times throughout

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01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 6: the mayoral election, including the Thursday before the election, Richie

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01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 6: Torres refused to endorse Zarmamdani specifically because he said, of

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01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 6: one community within the district, he stood by a man

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01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 6: who had sexually assaulted women, stood by a man where

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01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 6: thousands of people died during COVID, stood by men who

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01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,439
Speaker 6: had done all those things. And so while there's also

1287
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,439
Speaker 6: policy priorities that I have just laid out, Crystal, there's

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01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 6: also just the humanity that you got to have someone

1289
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 6: who's actually going to care for you and care for

1290
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 6: everybody and actually create a space that we can have

1291
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 6: some real conversation and not have someone Richard Torres who

1292
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 6: literally said when someone came up to him that he

1293
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 6: disagreed with to go fund yourself. That's not what you

1294
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 6: need as a representative. I know that surprised people that

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Speaker 6: a Reveren would cuss, but I am Jamaica from the

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01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 6: Bronx and you just gotta be ready for that kind

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Speaker 6: of day.

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Speaker 4: Michael, can you talk a little bit about My understanding

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01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 4: is Richie's approval rating in the district's pretty favorable, and

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01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 4: you know, can you talk about the difference between perhaps

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01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 4: how he's perceived in the Bronx versus his image nationally.

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Speaker 6: Certainly well, I also would say favorability and job performance

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Speaker 6: are not all inter twined in terms of how someone

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Speaker 6: can get elected or re elected. Right, you had many

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01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 6: people that had high favorability ratings who lost races itself,

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Speaker 6: whether that be Eric Canter, whether that be Karmsman, Crowley

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Speaker 6: and alc. I mean we have seen that. And when

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Speaker 6: you have that communication to let people know about what

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01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 6: has not been happening, they shift pretty quickly within the district.

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Speaker 6: Right when you see the energy that has happened for

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Speaker 6: us on the video where more than two million views

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Speaker 6: have happened on it thus far. That's not just nationally,

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Speaker 6: of course, that's all across the board. It's people feeling

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Speaker 6: that he is not being a voice for them, that

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01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 6: he's not helping him not representing them in a serious

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Speaker 6: and continual way. Somebody can show up to your church,

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01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 6: they could show up to your community center, they could

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01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 6: show up to your local school, but it doesn't mean

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01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 6: they're actually fixing the problem. And what we will communicate

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01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 6: is that you might like Richie Torres because he might

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01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 6: smile in your face and try to be kind to you,

1322
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 6: but he's actually not helping you and your life has

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01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 6: not changed for the better. And when you make that

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01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 6: clear comparison, people understand that Nowally, because people have been

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01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 6: clearly watching in what has been going on consistently, I

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01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 6: think you can see how people feel about Richie. They

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01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 6: feel that this is a man who, by his own

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01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 6: the own data, I think last was like twenty three

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Speaker 6: hundred percent talked more about what was happening in another

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01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 6: country than in his own community. People pay attention to that,

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01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 6: And again, I want to keep being real clear to

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Speaker 6: everybody listening because what you're gonna have happen and watching

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01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 6: because what you're gonna have happen is like, well, are

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Speaker 6: we trying to pull people apart? Now, I'm just trying

1335
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 6: to keep it real. Try to be real with you

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01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 6: that at the end of the day, just because someone

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01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 6: shows up when it's convenient doesn't mean that they're helping you.

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Speaker 6: And Chris, I'm gonna make it real. Practical horrors congressional

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01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 6: district in the country. People wondering if they're gonna have food,

1340
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 6: People wondering how they're gonna get groceries. People want how

1341
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 6: they gonna pay their bills. The man got fifteen million dollars,

1342
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 6: Why he's not using that money to help you? Why

1343
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 6: is he not putting it towards community efforts immediately and

1344
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 6: consistently at a higher and continual degree. Now he'll say, yes,

1345
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 6: I've helped you, and I got some federal funding here

1346
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 6: and there. But how you use this moment a leverage

1347
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 6: is real and so people see him for who he is,

1348
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 6: which is why we have the energy that's happening right now.

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01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 6: It's why we're going to start rolling out endorsements next week.

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01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 6: That's why we're going to be showing momentum consistently. It's

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01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 6: the reason why we have had people of all different

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01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 6: spectrums from across the district already saying we're ready.

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Speaker 3: There was Ryan go for it, and I got a question.

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01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 5: Just just real quickly. Yeah, there was some real hope

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01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 5: when he was elected in twenty twenty that as as

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01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 5: somebody who he grew up in public housing in the district,

1357
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 5: obviously like a very very bright, like hyper intelligent guy,

1358
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Speaker 5: especially compared to the rest of Congress, which I somebody

1359
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 5: who's covered it for twenty years, I can tell you

1360
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 5: they it struggles down there.

1361
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 6: That he would be you just gave rights to arrest

1362
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 6: of them. But I appreciate that right there.

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Speaker 5: That he would that he'd be a voice for the

1364
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 5: poor like that somebody who came up in the poorest

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Speaker 5: district and is now representing it and was able to

1366
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 5: articulate a vision of fighting back again against against that,

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01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 5: that that finally there'd be because so many of the

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Speaker 5: poorest districts are represented by people who take corporate pac money,

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01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 5: represented by people Republicans and the Freedom Caucus, and they

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Speaker 5: just they don't stand up for their district. They stand

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Speaker 5: up for the people that fund their campaigns. And that

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Speaker 5: hope from Torres was dashed that, you know, because he

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Speaker 5: as you said, all he's talked about, you know, as

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01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 5: far as the public understands is is Israel and whether

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01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 5: you agree with them or disagree with them on it,

1376
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 5: like that's what does that have to do with the BRONX?

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Speaker 5: So if you were able to get in, like, how

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01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 5: would you be that voice for the BRONX, Like what

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01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 5: are what are the what are the issues that you

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01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 5: would try to force into the national conversation that that

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Speaker 5: aren't there because these poorest districts in the country just

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Speaker 5: generally not there's some exceptions, don't have representatives who speak

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Speaker 5: on their behalf.

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Speaker 6: Well to that question, Ryan, let's start from even the

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01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 6: visual behind you about the squad right, Like, Richie has

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01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 6: not only just demeaned what's been happening elsewhere, he's demean

1387
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 6: his own Democratic members who are not aligned with him

1388
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 6: consistently repeatedly. You know, the disrespect he's had towards AOC

1389
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,560
Speaker 6: to Ilhan, to Rashida and others, and as relates to

1390
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 6: even locally with the DSA, which he called a Mickey

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01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 6: Mouse club and a Mickey Mouse party. This is the

1392
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 6: rhetoric of Richie Torres that he regularly does going back

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01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 6: to the twenty twenty race. And I do think this

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01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 6: is important because it's good context. I pretty much for

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01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 6: about four to five weeks spent my time feeding people,

1396
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 6: getting out ppe, getting out masked, and helping people in

1397
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 6: the community. Richie was running a divisive campaign, effectively saying

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01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 6: that we should not let one other person in the

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01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 6: race because of their stances, and in particular that was

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01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 6: around say that the homophobe is what his language was

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01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 6: around Ruben ds Senior. Right, that was Richie's argument on

1402
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 6: why he should get to Congress from the mentally right.

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01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 6: And what has happened throughout You have someone who stated

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01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 6: that Governor Hoko is feckless and can deny her own abilities,

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01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 6: but then he turned when he saw that Zorn had

1406
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 6: won the primary. This is a man who had crossed,

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01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 6: endorsed Tish, and then Zephyr teach out quite frankly for

1408
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 6: his own political protection. Right, this is a man that

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01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 6: turned on the city council when it comes to the

1410
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 6: right to noact around criminal justice. There's a man who

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01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 6: was attacked women when it comes to those that have

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01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 6: been a part of the women's march. I'm saying that

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01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 6: to say for context that Richie has been this before

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01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 6: he even got to Congress. And now people are seeing

1415
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 6: the consistency that he will throw you under the bus

1416
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 6: in a second for his own game. And so for now,

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01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 6: let's elevate what I have done in New York with

1418
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 6: the My Brother's Keeper program, where we're still the only

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01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 6: state in the country to have a funded program where

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01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 6: black boys and brown boys, young men of color can

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01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 6: go to school and graduate from school. And it has

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01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 6: now been expanded to My Assistan's Keeper program, so that

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01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 6: more of our students of color can go to school

1424
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 6: and graduate at a higher rate. Let's expand out a

1425
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 6: true effort around local media and income because clearly the

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01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 6: poorest congressional districts, not just us, will be substantially able

1427
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 6: to benefit if the housing that you are getting is

1428
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 6: more affordable. Right, Taking those kinds of steps will impact

1429
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 6: us in a very real way. And we talk about

1430
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 6: hope right like you know clearly I was in there.

1431
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 6: You know, yes, we can the Hope Fund. That's about that.

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01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 6: That's or we came out of a President Obama in

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01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 6: that through line. We need to be able to believe

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01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 6: in our people right now. Right, none of us are perfect.

1435
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 6: There is no perfect candidate. Right, You're gonna have people

1436
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 6: you disagree with But I do believe that I can

1437
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:19,879
Speaker 6: restore a vision of what's possible within the district. A district,

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01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 6: by the way, that voted for zorn the in the

1439
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 6: general election this past week. A district that is forty

1440
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 6: one percent Black, thirty seven percent Latin Know, a district

1441
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 6: where my previous Assembly district is one hundred percent within

1442
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 6: the district, So people know our track record, and now's

1443
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 6: about telling the story of how we're gonna help and

1444
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 6: fight for you and say that if you are ready

1445
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 6: to move on from Richie Torres, my name is Michael Blake,

1446
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 6: and I'm asking that you rock with me so we

1447
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 6: can go to Congress and fight for you.

1448
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 8: I got another question, Michael, for you somebody else that's

1449
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 8: affecting your community, which is Ice. The day after the election,

1450
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 8: a mayor elects or on mom Donnie Is said that

1451
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 8: he would warrn ICE officers against breaking the law in

1452
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 8: his city. But then recently from the ny Daily News,

1453
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 8: there was this scoop that the NYPD Commissioner, Jessica Tish,

1454
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 8: got a heads up from the Trump admin that ICE

1455
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 8: agents were about to conduct their aggressive Canal Street immigration raid.

1456
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 8: Do you think that Mayor Alexora Mondani should fire the

1457
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 8: NYPD committmissioner to someone that's gonna better follow his policies

1458
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,799
Speaker 8: of fighting ice, and what would you do to support

1459
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 8: your community to defend them from ice.

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01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 6: So i'll separate appreciate the question. So that's obviously for

1461
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 6: the mayor like to decide on if he keeps her

1462
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 6: or not, because it's not really a fire. It's like

1463
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 6: he's gonna be the man at charge on January one. There.

1464
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 6: I think it's very concerning that a heads up was

1465
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 6: given that ice was going to raid on Canal Street

1466
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 6: and there was not real protections that happened for folks.

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01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 6: For anybody that doesn't understand New York City, Canal Street

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01:13:54,439 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 6: is effectively immigrant entrepreneurs, right, That's what's there. And as

1469
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 6: you know, my son of emigrant, myself, my family from Jamaica.

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01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 6: If you got a heads up that people are going

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01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 6: to roll on Canal Street, you understand that a lot

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01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 6: of people are going to get arrested, their lives is

1473
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 6: going to be destroyed. And now we'll have that PTSD

1474
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 6: sitting with them that any moment will Ice come back here. Right.

1475
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 6: So it's a problem, the deep problem that cannot be

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01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 6: ignored in any possible way. What would I do? First,

1477
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 6: We got to be very clear that we designate our facilities,

1478
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 6: in particular our schools, our community centers, our places of

1479
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 6: worship as safe havens automatically, so that it is very

1480
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 6: clear that ice is not permitted into those spaces. That

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01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 6: is something that is not currently happening, which is kind

1482
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 6: of wild to think about that, right. It's a reason

1483
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 6: why so many of us who are preachers have to

1484
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 6: be thinking regularly about virtual sermons because as we saw

1485
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 6: recently from National Latino evangelicals that they've had less people

1486
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 6: attending their services because they're afraid that ice will show

1487
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 6: up there. Second is that we have to make sure

1488
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 6: that it is in multi languages, access to lawyers that

1489
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 6: can represent you immediately, as well as the communication that

1490
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 6: is available, especially when you are dropping off your kids.

1491
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 6: Each another way, there was video that just came out

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01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 6: just this morning of ice detaining someone in a car

1493
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 6: while the man was holding onto his baby having a seizure,

1494
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 6: and what was more important to them was to try

1495
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 6: to rip him away than his child being protected. Third,

1496
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 6: and finally, for now, as it comes to this, we

1497
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 6: got to make sure that we're not empowering and putting

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01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 6: more money into NYPD surveillance efforts that would be helping

1499
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 6: ICE to attack our communities. And one of the many

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01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 6: questions that has been lingering around Richie is his support

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01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 6: around drones has been very nebulous at best. And if

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01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 6: you are helping ICE to make it easier to grab

1503
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 6: our immigrants, then you should not be representing our immigrants

1504
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 6: in the South, Bronx. And as a son of immigrant myself,

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01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 6: I'm actually gonna say very clearly, I know how the

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01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 6: federal government should be working for us, and it is

1507
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 6: not right now because of Richie Torres.

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01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 3: All right, well, thank you very much, Michael.

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01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you can tell people where they can

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01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,919
Speaker 1: follow your campaign, how they can support you, if they're interested.

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01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 6: I hope everybody's interested after hearing us right now, come

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01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,640
Speaker 6: on not if right now, come on, y'all, So go

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Speaker 6: to Michael Blake for Congress Michael Blake foor Congress dot com.

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Speaker 6: Follow us on social you'll see the handle Mr Mike Blake.

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Speaker 6: You'll see the handle Blake for the Bronx. And we

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Speaker 6: need you right now. Look, this is gonna be a

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Speaker 6: grassroots campaign. We need you to donate. We need you

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01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 6: to knock on doors because a lot of people are

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Speaker 6: going to be coming for us that don't want us

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Speaker 6: to win. But the people have shown right now the

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Speaker 6: people ready to win. So if you're ready and say

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Speaker 6: we deserve better for the Bronx. My name is Michael

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Speaker 6: Blake and I want to be a member of Congress

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Speaker 6: and rock with us at Michael Blake from Congress dot com.

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Speaker 5: One last question before you go, because I think people

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Speaker 5: will want to know how sharp a contrast we're talking about.

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Speaker 5: Would you support a full weapons embargo on Israel?

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Speaker 6: There should be I mean there we go like how

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Speaker 6: can you I know, we gotta go. I just like like,

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Speaker 6: how can you watch what's happening and be the same

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Speaker 6: right now? And again, I think what is happening in

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Speaker 6: this space is that there will be people who hear

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Speaker 6: what I just said and they say, well, you're anti Israel. Absolutely,

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Speaker 6: It's not about being anti It's about I care for humanity. Right. Yes,

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Speaker 6: you deserve to have safety, Yes you deserve the security,

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Speaker 6: but if you're watching babies and families, every dollar we

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Speaker 6: are spending on that, we are not spending on books

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Speaker 6: in the Bronx. We are not spending on making people

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Speaker 6: have food and get all the pantry lines. We're not

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Speaker 6: spending well making sure you can actually pay your prescription

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Speaker 6: drug bills. It's a question around priorities, and mine is

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Speaker 6: the Bronx.

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Speaker 8: All right, thank you, Michael, and we hope Breaking Points

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