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Speaker 2: let's talk some basketball. So on playback last night, we
Speaker 2: had it over there after the live show and we
Speaker 2: had you know, some of our supporters over the years
Speaker 2: come on and talk some hoops with us. We talked
Speaker 2: a lot about the concept of creating advantages in the
Speaker 2: half court, and specifically with a guy like Luka Doncic
Speaker 2: in the Lakers series, and how I thought one of
Speaker 2: the primary kind of turning points, one of the primary
Speaker 2: folkrums of the series was Jaden McDaniels held up so
Speaker 2: much better on an island against Luca, and all of
Speaker 2: the other defenders in action held up so well against
Speaker 2: Luca that the Lakers weren't able to get the defense
Speaker 2: into rotation very often, and that just made everything very difficult.
Speaker 2: And for all the talk about their ability to handle
Speaker 2: Minnesota's athleticism, they couldn't score, but they couldn't score because
Speaker 2: at the very top they couldn't create advantage. And I
Speaker 2: thought we saw a very interesting juxtaposition of the difference
Speaker 2: between the Los Angeles Clippers when James Harden is doing
Speaker 2: that job of creating those initial advantages versus when he's not,
Speaker 2: like he did in Game five. And in many ways,
Speaker 2: it's frustrating because we know he's capable of this level
Speaker 2: of advantage creation, you just don't know if he's gonna
Speaker 2: bring it on any given night. We don't know if
Speaker 2: he's gonna bring it in Game seven. It reminds me
Speaker 2: of the Sixers series in Boston a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: If you guys remember we're in a couple of games
Speaker 2: in that series, James Harden was just absolutely unbelievable in wins,
Speaker 2: but then in the other games he just wasn't able
Speaker 2: to replicate that. Replicate that. To me, it just starts
Speaker 2: with a level of intensity on the ball, like in
Speaker 2: his ISOs, with his will, willingness and ability to get
Speaker 2: down and make that explosive move to beat that first
Speaker 2: man off the dribble. And if he succumbs to the
Speaker 2: ball pressure and gets passive and all of his drives
Speaker 2: get flattened out, all of a sudden, his impacts tonight.
Speaker 2: I thought James Harden did an absolutely amazing job of
Speaker 2: picking on specifically Jamal Murray and ISO situations and getting
Speaker 2: dribble penetration on him and getting downhill and pick and roll.
Speaker 2: All of this stuff is connected. You want to know
Speaker 2: how James Harden starts getting good separation on a step
Speaker 2: back three, It comes from his ability to get dribble penetration.
Speaker 2: You want to know how you get Norman Powell in rhythm.
Speaker 2: You get him a bunch of really high quality closeout
Speaker 2: opportunities or transition opportunities which come off their defense, which
Speaker 2: we'll talk about in a minute. But those closeouts, they
Speaker 2: come from advantage creation. That's how you generate the three
Speaker 2: point volume they did tonight. In the last two losses
Speaker 2: they failed to generate over thirty threes. Tonight they generated
Speaker 2: thirty nine threes. They didn't shoot particularly well, but they
Speaker 2: generated a ton of these situations where the defenders were
Speaker 2: chasing them off the three point line with an advantage.
Speaker 2: That three point volume is an indicator of the dribble
Speaker 2: penetration that they were getting. And then on the defensive
Speaker 2: end of the four and all started with Zubots and
Speaker 2: him just doing an unbelievable individual job on Nikole Jokic
Speaker 2: in the third quarter in particular, but the entire second half,
Speaker 2: Zuo was fantastic on specifically guarding Jokic on an island.
Speaker 2: Jokic was trying really hard on his post ups to
Speaker 2: swing across the lane and Zoo was just sliding with him,
Speaker 2: and as Jokic was going for that scoop, he would
Speaker 2: just reach around the side and block him. He got
Speaker 2: him going both ways with that. In the fourth quarter,
Speaker 2: once going to his left hand, once going to his
Speaker 2: right hand, he was trying to drive closeouts off the
Speaker 2: top of the keet and really pound into that left
Speaker 2: shoulders spin move, and Zoo was just absorbing that contact.
Speaker 2: Zuo was fantastic preventing Jokic from dislodging his base. That's
Speaker 2: the battle against Jokic. You have to win the battle
Speaker 2: on the ground. He's gonna chop his feet, he's gonna
Speaker 2: bump you a bunch of times, and if you don't
Speaker 2: have your base set, he'll this lodge you and he's
Speaker 2: going to get to where he wants for a high
Speaker 2: quality shot. Zoo won that battle tonight. In the second half,
Speaker 2: the refs were letting them be physical Jokics was bringing
Speaker 2: the physicality right back. It was an old fashioned big
Speaker 2: man battle and I thought Zoo held up really well.
Speaker 2: And in general, the Clippers were way more physical in
Speaker 2: the paint than they've been defensively over the course of
Speaker 2: this last stretch of the series. Like on Jokic's rolls
Speaker 2: to the rim, they were just swarming him and being
Speaker 2: physical and attacking the basketball Gordon's post ups. Aaron Gordon
Speaker 2: had a lot of success early in the game attacking
Speaker 2: Chris Dunn in the post. They did a much better
Speaker 2: job getting Aaron Gordon's size mismatched post ups under control.
Speaker 2: They held Denver's offense under control, and that allowed them
Speaker 2: to build the necessary margin they needed to avoid a
Speaker 2: clutch situation. And if they end up in clutch situations
Speaker 2: with this surgical Nuggets team, it's just going to be
Speaker 2: too difficult. And I thought they just did the job
Speaker 2: they needed to do tonight on the Denver front. I
Speaker 2: just thought Yokic had an awful third quarter by his
Speaker 2: standards on offense, and this Nuggets team really needs to
Speaker 2: score because that's their elite trait that they bring to
Speaker 2: a series. It's really hard for them to get enough
Speaker 2: stops to hold up under that sort of scoring drought.
Speaker 2: They had twenty two points in the third quarter, and
Speaker 2: that was with Christian Brown hitting a couple of bombs
Speaker 2: before the end of the quarter. That was that they
Speaker 2: could not score in that quarter. Ultimately, Game seven is
Speaker 2: gonna come down to which team can reach closer to
Speaker 2: their ceiling. Steve Jones Junior used to work for a
Speaker 2: couple NBA teams. He does excellent work with the kay
Speaker 2: Is Duncan on the Dunker Spot podcast. He tweeted out
Speaker 2: today about a quote from JB. Bickerstaff in a timeout
Speaker 2: where JB said something along the lines of like, hey,
Speaker 2: we know what they're gonna do now, it's just about executing.
Speaker 2: And Steve was making the point in his tweet about
Speaker 2: how like, when you get late in these playoffs series,
Speaker 2: it's not about tactics anymore more. It's about which guys
Speaker 2: on the floor are going to win their battles that
Speaker 2: they need to win. Have you guys noticed that we
Speaker 2: do a lot more film sessions after game one, Game two,
Speaker 2: in game three, and then when it gets later in
Speaker 2: the series, it's like, there's no I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be able to go to the film tonight and present
Speaker 2: you with some magical answer to all of the problems.
Speaker 2: If James Harden can create that initial advantage, the Clippers
Speaker 2: offense hums at a higher level that keeps them mentally
Speaker 2: and physically engaged in the game, which brings the defensive
Speaker 2: intensity they need to win battles on defense against the Nuggets.
Speaker 2: If the Nuggets contain the basketball through their ball pressure
Speaker 2: with Christian Brown and in just an overall defensive engagement,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the Clippers struggle to generate advantages.
Speaker 2: Norman Powell struggles to get going, Nick Batoomb struggles to
Speaker 2: get going. James Harden can't get a step back three going.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, it becomes about Kawhi Leonard trying
Speaker 2: to make a bunch of shots over double teams. All
Speaker 2: of a sudden, their defense loses some energy. The Nuggets
Speaker 2: start picking them apart. When we get to this point
Speaker 2: in the series, it's we everyone knows what they're gonna do.
Speaker 2: Every we know what James Harden is gonna do. He's
Speaker 2: gonna attack Yo kitchen ball screens, and he's gonna attack
Speaker 2: Jamal Murray and switches every single chance that he gets
Speaker 2: on the other end of the floor. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: a steady diet of two man game with Jamal Murray
Speaker 2: at the top of the key. Joki's trying to either
Speaker 2: drive on Zoo off of catches at the top or
Speaker 2: off of that you know, right block post up that
Speaker 2: he likes. We know what they're gonna do. What's gonna
Speaker 2: come in, what's gonna determine Game seven is going to
Speaker 2: be who does their job better than their counterparts. If
Speaker 2: Jamal Murray out plays James Harden and James Harden struggles
Speaker 2: to generate advantages, the Nuggets are going to win Game seven.
Speaker 2: If James Harden breaks down the Nuggets defense at the
Speaker 2: point of attack and him and Kawhi Leonard go blow
Speaker 2: for blow with jo Kichen Murray, they've got a slightly
Speaker 2: better defense. I think they're gonna win. But there's no
Speaker 2: secrets at this point. It's just about who's going to
Speaker 2: win their individual matchups. That's the beauty of late series basketball.
Speaker 2: Right when we get into the next round, We're gonna
Speaker 2: have a bunch of film sessions after Game one, two,
Speaker 2: and three. Why because we're gonna learn about how those
Speaker 2: teams are attacking each other. There are no secrets anymore.
Speaker 2: It's just about man to man, who's better at basketball,
Speaker 2: who's better at inflicting their specific strengths or avoiding their
Speaker 2: specific weaknesses. So obviously going to be an exciting game
Speaker 2: seven on Saturday, tips off at four to thirty Pacific time.
Speaker 2: We will be live on YouTube after the final buzzer
Speaker 2: of that game. I'll see all of you Clippers and
Speaker 2: Nuggets fans there. We're gonna talk some Nicks Pistons. Though
Speaker 2: this game followed a very similar pattern to the rest
Speaker 2: of the series. The Knicks came out in a must win,
Speaker 2: close out game and immediately took control. They were really
Speaker 2: getting out in transition. They were hitting those driving gaps
Speaker 2: and getting to the rim quickly early in the clock.
Speaker 2: The Pistons weathered that with several big runs, one in
Speaker 2: the first half riding an absurdly hot streak shooting the
Speaker 2: basketball from Malik Beasley, who put it all together with
Speaker 2: a crazy left shoulder running movement three while he's falling
Speaker 2: out of bounds right before half, and then another one
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter where the Knicks had taken control
Speaker 2: and taken a double figure lead, but Asar Thompson came
Speaker 2: into the game and played some really really quality individual
Speaker 2: defense on Jalen Brunson, took him out a rhythm for
Speaker 2: a little while, and the Pistons ended up working their
Speaker 2: way into a seven point lead. But down the stretch,
Speaker 2: despite the Pistons holding a seven point lead, the Knicks
Speaker 2: were able to slowly and methodically work their way back
Speaker 2: into the game. JV. Bickerstaff did them a favor by
Speaker 2: taking a star out of the game for a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's so funny. I've been watching Pistons fans have a
Speaker 2: meltdown about the lineup decisions from JB. Bickerstaff because they've
Speaker 2: just been so much better in this series with the
Speaker 2: sar Thompson on the floor, and like for all the
Speaker 2: shots that Malik Beasley's made, they've gotten killed in his
Speaker 2: minutes for the most part over the course of this series.
Speaker 2: And it's because pretty simply, Asar Thompson makes life a
Speaker 2: hell of a lot more difficult for Jalen Brunson than
Speaker 2: anybody else in a Pisson's jersey can. But Brunson was
Speaker 2: able to attack in that stretch when a Sorrow was
Speaker 2: off the floor, and he was able to tie the game.
Speaker 2: And then we ended up with a really interesting final sequence.
Speaker 2: Lasar Thompson gets a stop on Jalen Brunson on an island,
Speaker 2: slides his feed extremely well, prevents any sort of like
Speaker 2: turning the corner from Brunson, takes contact in the chest.
Speaker 2: And then every time you fade over one of your shoulders,
Speaker 2: in this case Jalen Brunson kind of turning over his
Speaker 2: left shoulder, the ball comes up in the shooting pocket
Speaker 2: right in front briefly as he's turning over his left
Speaker 2: shoulder right, so the ball is exposed temporarily there for
Speaker 2: a minute. And as I always talk about a lot
Speaker 2: of these pull up shooters, they don't see you up top,
Speaker 2: they don't see the contest, but if you can disrupt
Speaker 2: their rhythm down low, and Assar Thompson waited for Brunson
Speaker 2: to turn and expose the ball, and he stripped down
Speaker 2: and took the ball away. The Knicks were having a
Speaker 2: hell of a time trying to get a star switched
Speaker 2: off of Brunson in these sequences, so Brunson had no
Speaker 2: choice because oursarrow was fighting through all those screens. Brunson
Speaker 2: had no choice but to figure out how to get
Speaker 2: a bucket against the other team's best defender. And one
Speaker 2: of the things that I thought was genius about Brunson's
Speaker 2: game winner was the way he identified it, the way
Speaker 2: he identified his individual advantage in this matchup. The individual
Speaker 2: advantage that Jalen Brunson has in this matchup against a
Speaker 2: Star Thompson is he has a lower center of gravity
Speaker 2: and he's pretty fucking strong for how big, for how
Speaker 2: big he is. So what does he do. He makes
Speaker 2: a hard left handed dribble move, an extended, hard left
Speaker 2: handed dribble move, gets into a Sar Thompson's body snatch
Speaker 2: back dribble, and in that situation, because he's got contact
Speaker 2: with the sar's body and because he has the lower
Speaker 2: center of gravity, it's a very similar dynamic to what
Speaker 2: I've been talking about so much about dislodging your base.
Speaker 2: He was able to, with that hard move and that
Speaker 2: snatchback dribble Dislodgessar Thompson's base about as dramatically as you'll
Speaker 2: ever see in a perimeter matchup. There's an angle from
Speaker 2: the scorers table or from I don't know, the media table,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, that's on that side of the floor
Speaker 2: to the left of where the game winner was and
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a portrait style like smartphone video.
Speaker 2: And on the snatchback dribblesar Thompson just completely exits the
Speaker 2: frame and Jalen's able to just steadily settle into that
Speaker 2: off the dribble jump shot right there at the top
Speaker 2: of the key. But I just thought it was a
Speaker 2: you know, I talk a lot about how the Playoffs
Speaker 2: are about solving puzzles, and specifically for Brunson, because of
Speaker 2: the way that they look to attack. It's very ISO heavy,
Speaker 2: it's very matchup attacking. One of the things Brunson had
Speaker 2: to do was figure out how to get a bucket
Speaker 2: on Asar Thompson in a big spot when a Sar
Speaker 2: had been giving him some issues in that in that
Speaker 2: middle of the fourth quarter, Sar Thompson was the reason
Speaker 2: Brunson got out of rhythm and started missing clean looks.
Speaker 2: As the Pistons took a seven point lead, Asar Thompson
Speaker 2: got a stop on the previous possession. Brunson had the
Speaker 2: challenge in front of him, He had the puzzle in
Speaker 2: front of him, and he figured it out, if I
Speaker 2: lose my moment, if I lose my momentum and I
Speaker 2: operate around the elbows with a bunch of hesitation dribbles
Speaker 2: like he did on the previous possession. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: be able to shake this guy. Now, I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to turn around over him. I'm gonna expose the ball
Speaker 2: down low. He's probably gonna get a good contest up high.
Speaker 2: But if I get my momentum going, if I get
Speaker 2: ahead of steam and I get connected to his body,
Speaker 2: I can snatch back and I can shed him, and
Speaker 2: I can get the separation that I need. Unbelievable move
Speaker 2: from Jalen Brunson to win the series. I talked before
Speaker 2: the series about how these teams are pretty evenly matched,
Speaker 2: but that there was an experience and execution advantage that
Speaker 2: would push the Knicks over the top. I thought it
Speaker 2: was evident at the start of the series with the
Speaker 2: way Brunson was attacking Tobias Harris and finding a matchup
Speaker 2: that he liked, while Cade was like having these zero
Speaker 2: pass possessions attacking o Jan Andobi. But it got even
Speaker 2: more complicated down the stretches. Once again, you saw the
Speaker 2: Knicks found a coverage that worked against Kate We're going
Speaker 2: to talk about in a minute and the Pistons found
Speaker 2: a way to avoid switches, and so Brunson's challenge was
Speaker 2: figuring out how to score against the star. Kate Huntingham
Speaker 2: was being faced with a very simple problem. He was
Speaker 2: attacking Jalen Brunson in a guard screens and Brunson was
Speaker 2: hedging and recovering. But because had had a rough night
Speaker 2: shooting the three point shot, he bailed on it and
Speaker 2: that was his biggest mistake. And we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about Kate a little bit in the big picture here
Speaker 2: in a minute, But Kate refused to take the pull
Speaker 2: up three that was open in the gaps in that
Speaker 2: hedge that Jalen Brunson was throwing, and as a result,
Speaker 2: he didn't have a comfortable shot or a comfortable look
Speaker 2: that he could go to. And there just was no
Speaker 2: consistency for the Pistons and crunch time in the series,
Speaker 2: while Brunson knew exactly how he wanted to attack, and
Speaker 2: he was just so surgical and making sure that he
Speaker 2: maximized those crunch time possessions. No disrespect to Cad, this
Speaker 2: was his first time doing it. We've said this a
Speaker 2: million times in the series. Jalen Brunson has played in.
Speaker 2: This is his ninth playoff series since he left the
Speaker 2: Dallas Mavericks. He's got a ton of experience in these situations.
Speaker 2: Cade is learning, but that experience gap ultimately ended up
Speaker 2: being the difference between these two teams. I want to
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the Boston Series and then
Speaker 2: we'll talk a little bit about Kid, because I do
Speaker 2: want to talk about his development moving forward. So looking
Speaker 2: ahead to the Boston Series, I rewatched their last matchup
Speaker 2: earlier today, the matchup where the Knicks actually kind of
Speaker 2: like controlled a good portion of the game and ended
Speaker 2: up losing in overtime. You can see what the Knick's
Speaker 2: best options are on both ends of the floor. The
Speaker 2: Knicks approached that game with a very high level of
Speaker 2: intensity because they so desperately needed a signature win and
Speaker 2: a season that was just utterly devoid of signature wins.
Speaker 2: And you found some things. Jalen Brunson was able to
Speaker 2: get some advantages attacking chrisops porzingis in action. He definitely
Speaker 2: likes his ISO matchups against Derek White more than Drew Holliday.
Speaker 2: Drew Holliday is a really good job on him, but
Speaker 2: Derek White even it's not a great option there. Derek
Speaker 2: White just gets such great contests on pull up jump shots.
Speaker 2: But he can get good stuff against Porzingis, and I
Speaker 2: think he can get some good stuff against Horford, although
Speaker 2: Horford wasn't on the floor down the stretch in this
Speaker 2: particular game. On the other end of the floor, though,
Speaker 2: it's a steady diet of the Celtics looking to attack
Speaker 2: Cat and Jaln Brunson in action. Now, one of the
Speaker 2: things that I noticed, instead of just running their hedge
Speaker 2: and recover scheme, one of the things that they were
Speaker 2: doing down the stretch that allowed them to have some
Speaker 2: success is what's called peel switching. It's very different kind
Speaker 2: of switching than normal switching. So in normal switching, guy
Speaker 2: comes up to set a screen, you just pass him
Speaker 2: off right, the other guy closes out, he takes the matchup.
Speaker 2: The guy who's guarding the ball sinks underneath the screener
Speaker 2: to prevent him from getting a slip into the back line,
Speaker 2: and then you just play contain the ball basketball. One
Speaker 2: of the things they were doing against Boston down the
Speaker 2: stretch in that overtime game was peeloff switching. What that
Speaker 2: means is the guys guarding the ball actually chases the
Speaker 2: man over the top. By chasing the man over the
Speaker 2: top into the switch, it causes him to at least
Speaker 2: have to attack right away or rush his decision making
Speaker 2: a little bit. Then what they were doing is after
Speaker 2: he chased over the top, then he would quit on
Speaker 2: that specific chase and bail out and close out to
Speaker 2: you know, Christops porzingis popping in action or Derek White
Speaker 2: popping in action, and so it does ultimately end in
Speaker 2: a switch. And in those situations it's going to come
Speaker 2: down to Kat holding up against a Derek White like
Speaker 2: he had to down the stretch in that game, or
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson having to hold up against one of the Jays.
Speaker 2: The Celtics also found a way to attack that by
Speaker 2: dragging out the screening action. Tatum had a really good
Speaker 2: one where he generated a clean look for Derek White
Speaker 2: at the top of the key, where he just attacked
Speaker 2: downhill fast, so that, as I believe it was, Ogbi
Speaker 2: tried to peel off, he was so far away that
Speaker 2: it was too long of a close out. They ended
Speaker 2: up having to close out from the weak side, and
Speaker 2: so there are still openings that the Celtics confined there.
Speaker 2: But ultimately the Knick's best opportunity to keep themselves out
Speaker 2: of rotation is to switch, regardless of whether it's a
Speaker 2: peel switch or more of a traditional switch. But that's
Speaker 2: gonna be the thing that I noticed on film that's
Speaker 2: gonna end up playing a big role in this series.
Speaker 2: Is cand Jalen Brunson do a better job of attacking
Speaker 2: Porzingis and Horford in screening action than the Jays on
Speaker 2: the other end of the floor. Or Derek White as well,
Speaker 2: if he's involved, can attack Karl, Anthony Towns and Jalen
Speaker 2: Brunson in screening action. That's gonna be the series. The
Speaker 2: margin for air for New York is just so incredibly thin.
Speaker 2: Every Nick is going to have to play to the
Speaker 2: absolute peak of their ability. I'm gonna hold off on
Speaker 2: making a pick until tomorrow morning. Tomorrow morning, we will
Speaker 2: have a series preview on Celtics Nicks that will be
Speaker 2: on the channel probably you know, right around noon ish
Speaker 2: specific time, So keep an eye on the feeds around there.
Speaker 2: But this is gonna be an interesting series. But like
Speaker 2: the Knicks are gonna have their work cut out for him.
Speaker 2: Boston's got some clear advantages, a clear way to attack.
Speaker 2: I was talking with Colin Coward about this on his
Speaker 2: show yesterday. But one of the things that's interesting about
Speaker 2: the personality of these two teams is there's this idea like, oh,
Speaker 2: we went and we got Og and we got McHale.
Speaker 2: That's our answer to the Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum problem.
Speaker 2: We need lots of big, versatile wings. But I think
Speaker 2: people are missing the point about what has made the
Speaker 2: Celtics successful over the years. It's not because they have
Speaker 2: big versatile wings. It's because they can put together five
Speaker 2: man lineups where everybody can guard multiple positions. That's what
Speaker 2: gives them the flexibility to switch. That's what makes it
Speaker 2: so that you can't very easily break down their defense
Speaker 2: at the point of attack. There's an example in the
Speaker 2: Celtics film that I was watching today where it's like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if Og and Obi's guarding Jason Tatum,
Speaker 2: if you can screen with Jalen Brunson's man, and Jalen
Speaker 2: Brunson's not gonna switch on to him because then Og
Speaker 2: gets caught on the screen and Tatum can get downhill
Speaker 2: or Tatum can attack a defense that's in rotation. It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter that Josh hart og And and Obi and Michale
Speaker 2: Bridges are super versatile forwards if they're anchored by two
Speaker 2: players that you can get their defense into rotation and
Speaker 2: screening action. That is going to be the key for
Speaker 2: the Knicks in the series is trying to find a
Speaker 2: way to find a defensive coverage with those two that
Speaker 2: can keep them out of rotation. But again, keep an
Speaker 2: eye on the feeds. Tomorrow we'll have a series preview
Speaker 2: in the middle of the day. Lastly on Kate before
Speaker 2: we get into our mailbag. Like, I get it, if
Speaker 2: your jump SHOT's not falling, you want to try to
Speaker 2: find something else that works. But one of the things
Speaker 2: that's going to be very important for Cad in his
Speaker 2: development is have you ever watched a Jalen Brunson game
Speaker 2: where you feel like he won't take a jump shot
Speaker 2: when his team needs him too down the stretch, even
Speaker 2: if he's missing. We'll see games this year where Brunson is,
Speaker 2: you know, five for nineteen, but he'll take and make
Speaker 2: three big jump shots down the stretch. You have to
Speaker 2: trust your work and trust your ability to knock down
Speaker 2: that shot. The reason why it matters is because of
Speaker 2: the coverage. The shot that the Knicks were conceding to
Speaker 2: Cad tonight was that interchange gap in the hedge and recover.
Speaker 2: So as you seek Cunningham coming off the screen and
Speaker 2: Og Andnobi's guarding him. When Tim Hardaway Junior comes up
Speaker 2: and sets the pick, Brunson is jumping out to hedge,
Speaker 2: getting in Kid's way so that he has to go
Speaker 2: round the hedge. Og in that sequence is going underneath
Speaker 2: to meet Kate on the other side of the screen.
Speaker 2: So as Brunson is bailing on the hedge and as
Speaker 2: Og is coming back up to meet on the other side,
Speaker 2: there was a clear gap where Cade was looking at
Speaker 2: the rim in a high hesitation dribble and wouldn't take
Speaker 2: the shot, And ultimately the reason why they lost this
Speaker 2: game down the stretches. They didn't score a single time.
Speaker 2: They didn't make a bucket after they took that seven
Speaker 2: point lead. One bucket. You're sending this to game seven,
Speaker 2: and so with KD you need to come down to
Speaker 2: a series of very basic moves that you can go
Speaker 2: to an isolation situations and basic coverage beating shots that
Speaker 2: you cannot bail on that pull up three absolutely has
Speaker 2: to be a shot that you trust when you need
Speaker 2: to take it, because you might have to take it
Speaker 2: because of a coverage in a specific situation late in
Speaker 2: the game. We know with Jalen Brunson, he likes to
Speaker 2: fade over his left shoulder. He likes to step back
Speaker 2: to his right, you know, kind of shooting over his
Speaker 2: left shoulder, and then he likes to set himself up
Speaker 2: like he's gonna go off of a screen with his
Speaker 2: right hand, and then hard right cross, right to left
Speaker 2: crossover to try to get downhill to reject a screen.
Speaker 2: Those are like the three main go to kind of
Speaker 2: things you're gonna see from Brunton down the stretch. He's
Speaker 2: gotten incredibly good at those moves. If he gets to
Speaker 2: those moves, he's gonna hit him about fifty percent of
Speaker 2: the time on his jump shots, and he's gonna get
Speaker 2: get to the foul line or get something decent at
Speaker 2: the rim at a pretty high rate. On his drives.
Speaker 2: He has these dependable, rock solid, we're stuck in the
Speaker 2: half court, it's tied, there's five minutes left, types of moves.
Speaker 2: That's the type of reliability that Kide needs to build
Speaker 2: out in specific parts of his shot making. Late in games,
Speaker 2: he took and made like a little left shoulder fade
Speaker 2: over o Jan Andobi in the post. That was the
Speaker 2: only jump shot that he was willing to take in
Speaker 2: that stretch. Okay, let's say that that's one of your moves.
Speaker 2: You need to wrap it out so that you have
Speaker 2: this left shoulder fade that at any given moment if
Speaker 2: your team needs a bucket. Oh shit, there, I can't.
Speaker 2: Let's pretend you're dealing with a Nasar Thompson look alike
Speaker 2: on the other team. I can't get a Sar Thompson
Speaker 2: off me. What am I gonna do? I got a
Speaker 2: fine a way to score on this guy. And there's
Speaker 2: just a little bit of a passivity that we saw
Speaker 2: from Caid, from a little bit of a lack of
Speaker 2: trust in what he could do in those situations down
Speaker 2: the stretch. I got it reflected throughout this series. There
Speaker 2: was no real consistency in the way that Caid looked
Speaker 2: to attack down the stretch. And so again I'm not
Speaker 2: being critical of Kate. I'm just talking about his long
Speaker 2: term development. This is the piece that's missing for him
Speaker 2: that when he adds he can take this team to
Speaker 2: another level. He was As you can see this, Pisson's
Speaker 2: team is closer to being able to make a deeper
Speaker 2: playoff run than we originally thought, and Kid's development is
Speaker 2: going to be the thing that pushes them over the
Speaker 2: top in that regard. All right, Jackson, let's see about
Speaker 2: ten minutes of questions. How did that sound.
Speaker 3: Let's let's do some questions. We're going to do a
Speaker 3: couple from the first game or the Clippers game, and
Speaker 3: then we'll do a Clipper from the other game and
Speaker 3: go from there. First one, Nick Batoum was huge in
Speaker 3: tonight's game. He started the second half, obviously in place
Speaker 3: of Chris Dunn. He also took Ben Simmons's sort of
Speaker 3: rotation minutes, and he was awesome on both times. Are
Speaker 3: the court? How can the Nuggets try and solve this
Speaker 3: problem in Game seven?
Speaker 2: Containing the ball? It's it's that simple. This is this
Speaker 2: is something that you see all over the place. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was so funny when I saw JB. Bickerstaff in
Speaker 2: his when the Knicks took their double digit lead. There
Speaker 2: was another timeout audio clip of JB saying, like we
Speaker 2: got to control the ball. We can't and it was
Speaker 2: during that stretch when Campaign was just eviscerating Malik Beasley,
Speaker 2: and like you like that. That's ultimately what it comes
Speaker 2: down to. Like if you if you contain the ball,
Speaker 2: help defense doesn't have to overreact. If help defense doesn't
Speaker 2: have to overreact, the kickout reads on, it is clean.
Speaker 2: If the kickout reads on is clean, the advantages aren't there.
Speaker 2: The ball gets stagnant, it turns into tossing the ball
Speaker 2: to your star with five or six seconds left on
Speaker 2: the shot clock. And like Nick Patoom, there was a
Speaker 2: lot of Nick Patuma alongside Norman Powell, which I thought
Speaker 2: was very interesting tonight in terms of just floor spacing,
Speaker 2: like basically situating themselves in a way where there's just
Speaker 2: these two knockdown three point shooters on the floor that
Speaker 2: are playing off ball. That just creates a lot of
Speaker 2: space for James Harden to look to attack. But again,
Speaker 2: if Christian Brown can apply better ball pressure on James
Speaker 2: Harden and flat note those flatten out those drives a bit,
Speaker 2: that will prevent the close out opportunities that he can
Speaker 2: capitalize on. And Nick Watum has always just been an
Speaker 2: underrated defensive player. But like if you can get the
Speaker 2: best of both worlds. If you can get an athlete
Speaker 2: that's covering ground and you know, doing stuff to disrupt
Speaker 2: people around the rim the way Ben Simmons can, while
Speaker 2: also providing you with shooting on the other end of
Speaker 2: the floor. I mean, that's you're getting two players in
Speaker 2: one there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think patom also in addition to the
Speaker 3: physical defensive tools he has, he saw on some of
Speaker 3: those deflections he had late is super high Q. He
Speaker 3: knows that where they're looking to go in their two
Speaker 3: man game, that kind of reads that Jamal is making
Speaker 3: and where he can try where he tries to bail
Speaker 3: out if he's getting double teamed. I think he had
Speaker 3: two or three big deflections late and his his smarts
Speaker 3: are on display.
Speaker 2: I think this is a great point, Jackson, Like I
Speaker 2: feel like at least half the job on defense is
Speaker 2: the mental side. Like if you if you're a athlete,
Speaker 2: but you can't read what the progression is that's taking place,
Speaker 2: then you're gonna struggle on defense. So for instance, like
Speaker 2: you you made a great point, Like if you're running
Speaker 2: the two man game with Murray and Jokic and he
Speaker 2: catches in the pocket, you know that when the lowman
Speaker 2: steps up, Aaron Gordon's gonna be kind of sidling in
Speaker 2: along the baseline, and Michael Porter Junior is gonna be
Speaker 2: sliding down to the corner. And the passing read for
Speaker 2: Yokich is gonna be based on whether or not Michael
Speaker 2: Porter Junior's man comes down and tags Aaron Gordon and
Speaker 2: a lot of that. You can read the eyes and
Speaker 2: you can try to jump in front of it. Jokich
Speaker 2: post up, same sort of thing. If he gets to
Speaker 2: the middle and he sees a guy step up, Aaron
Speaker 2: Gordon's gonna slide in underneath the basket, Michael Porter Junior
Speaker 2: is gonna relocate to the corner, and there's a two
Speaker 2: on one in the form of Gordon and MPJ. And
Speaker 2: so to your point, if you can like be in
Speaker 2: Jokich's head and understand where he's going next, you're not
Speaker 2: always gonna beat him. And sometimes he's gonna be a
Speaker 2: genius and he might bait you into being out of position,
Speaker 2: and he might beat you, but you can force him
Speaker 2: into more mistakes if you can be more anticipatory of
Speaker 2: what he's trying to do. I'm not even sure if
Speaker 2: that's a word anyway, go ahead, I.
Speaker 3: Think I think he nailed it.
Speaker 2: Think you nailed it.
Speaker 3: Next question, Uh, we've talked a little bit about this,
Speaker 3: but you know now that we're one game away, it's
Speaker 3: either going to be Denver or Los Angeles. Moving on
Speaker 3: with that, we know that for sure.
Speaker 2: Do you think that The question is Jackson's Lakers and
Speaker 2: nine B.
Speaker 3: Right Lakers, And the question is do you think the
Speaker 3: Clippers perimeter defense, defensive personnel, and Kawhi having size advantages
Speaker 3: over most of Okac's guards makes the Clippers a tougher
Speaker 3: component opponent compared to Denver.
Speaker 2: In theory, the Clippers should be a tougher matchup for
Speaker 2: Oka se Zoo can present similar problems for their interior
Speaker 2: in terms of his size that can present Kawhi Leonard
Speaker 2: is this like big forward that can thrive against some
Speaker 2: of Okac's smaller perimeter players to get to his spots.
Speaker 2: James Harden in theory, is the type of player that
Speaker 2: can punish the Thunder for loading up on the strong
Speaker 2: side when he's running his ball screens. My big concern
Speaker 2: is the Thunder are a excellent turnover forcing defense that
Speaker 2: will pressure the hell out of you, speed you up
Speaker 2: and if you can't be precise in your connective playmaking
Speaker 2: after James Harden makes that first read, you're gonna be
Speaker 2: in a track meet and O case is gonna win.
Speaker 2: I trust Denver more to make the necessary passing reads
Speaker 2: to break down Oklahoma City's defense more than I trust
Speaker 2: the Clippers on the other end of the floor. OKAC
Speaker 2: is gonna score on the Nuggets. The Nuggets are not
Speaker 2: a great enough a good enough defense to like stop
Speaker 2: oka se but I think Denver will be able to
Speaker 2: get some stops by virtue of the thing we've talked
Speaker 2: about all season with Okasee and the fact that you
Speaker 2: can load up the strong side a little bit with
Speaker 2: them and you're not super concerned about their guys on
Speaker 2: the weak side burning you and catch and shoot situations.
Speaker 2: So like I to me, it's like, I think you've
Speaker 2: got to be big and smart to beat OKAC, and
Speaker 2: I'm worried that the Clippers aren't smart enough. Totally agree,
Speaker 2: and like, I think it could be a nightmare James
Speaker 2: Harden series with their ball pressure and their physicality, and
Speaker 2: like him kind of just struggling as that series gets
Speaker 2: super intense. The Clippers certainly can beat the Thunder. I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to say they can't, but I just I
Speaker 2: look at the matchups and I view the Nuggets as
Speaker 2: just a better threat, if that makes sense. I just
Speaker 2: I think it's just this Clippers team is such a
Speaker 2: like a kind of Jekyll and Hide energy and intensity
Speaker 2: kind of team too, which I just don't think you
Speaker 2: can afford when okay See has home court advantage either.
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, I would lean towards Denver speaking.
Speaker 3: Of Jekyl and Hide energy teams. Question about the Knicks,
Speaker 3: why don't the Knicks always come out with this kind
Speaker 3: of urgency?
Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny. Shout out Josh Roger, you guys,
Speaker 2: he's done some production work for the show over the years.
Speaker 2: Big big, big Knicks fan. He was tweeting earlier about
Speaker 2: how like Knicks fans are just done with this team
Speaker 2: and how like they just are like reserved to the
Speaker 2: fact that they're going to get just crushed by the
Speaker 2: Celtics and it just doesn't matter, and like it's just funny.
Speaker 2: You and I were texting about this earlier, Jackson. It's
Speaker 2: just funny juxtaposed with last year's team, which kind of
Speaker 2: had like felt like the heart and soul of the
Speaker 2: New York City playing basketball, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And I think I think there are some valuable lessons
Speaker 2: learned in the sense that this team just does have
Speaker 2: a lack of like grit compared to the previous iteration
Speaker 2: of the team. You could go into a bunch of
Speaker 2: different ideas as to what causes that. I think it's
Speaker 2: I think it's a combination of things. I think that
Speaker 2: they're not as deep as they used to be, and
Speaker 2: so there's a little bit of an energy conservation element
Speaker 2: to it. I think that Karl Anthony Towns is kind
Speaker 2: of a textbook Jekyll and Hyde intensity guy in the
Speaker 2: same way that James Harden is. And so, you know,
Speaker 2: I look at consistencies like, I know Og can be
Speaker 2: part of that character. I know Josh can be part
Speaker 2: of that character. I know Brunson can be part of
Speaker 2: that character. I don't think McHale Bridges is a guy
Speaker 2: who lacks energy and intensity, although he had some stretches
Speaker 2: this season where he wasn't as good defensively as he
Speaker 2: needed to be. But you know, I think that the idea,
Speaker 2: like let's say that the let's say that the Knicks
Speaker 2: just gets smashed in the second in the second round
Speaker 2: against Boston. I think that Brunson has proven to this
Speaker 2: point that he has the ability to create offense in
Speaker 2: tight spaces, Like I think he's proven that he doesn't
Speaker 2: necessarily need to have you know, perfect five out spacing
Speaker 2: to be able to create offense for himself. So if
Speaker 2: things go really poorly, I would strongly consider the pivot
Speaker 2: centering around Kat and trying to flip him basically for
Speaker 2: depth of like just big ass kicking front court athletes
Speaker 2: and backcourt athletes, and just really lean into the identity
Speaker 2: that worked last year, which is if we surround Brunson
Speaker 2: with a ton of toughness in all the margins, he
Speaker 2: can carry us over the top offensively. But I think
Speaker 2: it's a combination of the lack of depth. They scored
Speaker 2: the ball really well for extended stretches this year, which
Speaker 2: I think bred some laziness for them on the defensive end.
Speaker 2: They felt like they could outscore teams when they needed to,
Speaker 2: and then Karl Anthony Towns is just kind of an
Speaker 2: inconsistent energy and effort guy. I really think it just
Speaker 2: comes down to that. But I get it. It's frustrating
Speaker 2: like they there were short, little five minute spurts in
Speaker 2: this series where the Knicks looked like they were completely
Speaker 2: outclassing Detroit, but they just weren't able to like maintain
Speaker 2: that momentum throughout the series.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is weird how a Tom Thibodeau coach team
Speaker 3: is so offense dependent and it feels like they can't
Speaker 3: They really struggle to get big stops. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: it helps that the Pistons are a young team with
Speaker 3: not the many playmakers, but it really does feel like
Speaker 3: the next struggle on the defensive end when they need.
Speaker 2: To they do. Yeah, it's it's it's been. It's been
Speaker 2: kind of like the story of the season is, like
Speaker 2: they last year. They weren't a statistically great defense either,
Speaker 2: but they were a good playoff defense and they were
Speaker 2: able to cause some real problems. And I think we
Speaker 2: underestimate to just how much Isaiah Hartenstein was part of
Speaker 2: the heart and soul of this team as just like
Speaker 2: another one of those ask kicking front court players. But that,
Speaker 2: to me is the key in terms of like, if
Speaker 2: you're gonna take a lesson from this year, it's it's that,
Speaker 2: you know, there's a identity that works that you lost.
Speaker 2: You brought in talent, but you lost identity in the process.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 3: Let's do one more question, what kind of move should
Speaker 3: Detroit look at this summer.
Speaker 2: So there's a there's a delicate balance here because you
Speaker 2: got to be realistic about your chances. So Cleveland isn't
Speaker 2: going anywhere. Boston could take a small step back next
Speaker 2: year if they end up making some sort of cost
Speaker 2: cutting move, which has been the story around the NBA today.
Speaker 2: There is Oklahoma City, who I think is in the
Speaker 2: beginning of what should be a three to four year
Speaker 2: consistent contending run. So you're not winning the title next year,
Speaker 2: is my point. With Detroit. What you need with kid
Speaker 2: is playoff experience and sustainable talent and success. So I
Speaker 2: think it's very important to avoid getting tied up in
Speaker 2: long term free agent contracts. And I think it's very
Speaker 2: important to shift their free ag or their draft strategy
Speaker 2: towards older, more NBA ready role player talent. So don't
Speaker 2: swing for the fence. Is with the and by the way,
Speaker 2: this by virtue of them winning as many games as
Speaker 2: they won this year, it will naturally slot them into
Speaker 2: this part of the draft the middle of the first round.
Speaker 2: In the middle of the first round, you can find
Speaker 2: guys that are sixty seven, six', eight six' nine that,
Speaker 2: can dribble shoot, and pass that have no, Star upside
Speaker 2: like you're not Gonna get giannis out. OF here i
Speaker 2: mean not unless you draft a super raw player that
Speaker 2: can't help you. Right away but that's my, point is
Speaker 2: you don't want to be, hunting raw high. Ceiling targets
Speaker 2: you want to be looking for Big Picture, Tobias Harrison malik,
Speaker 2: beasley replacements Big Picture tim hardaway junior types. Of replacements
Speaker 2: what that means is guys that can play off, the
Speaker 2: ball that weak side scoring, forward archetype a guard that
Speaker 2: can set ghost Screens for kate and slip out of
Speaker 2: it and, shoot threes but that can also defend at
Speaker 2: the point of attack on the other end of. The
Speaker 2: floor they need to be TARGETING older nba ready role
Speaker 2: player talent in, the draft avoiding sabotaging yourself a free
Speaker 2: agency if you do something stupid like trade a bunch
Speaker 2: of draft picks for a player that makes you not
Speaker 2: as Good, As cleveland Boston. Or, okay see that's where
Speaker 2: you end up. In trouble if you make some sort.
Speaker 2: Of trade it needs to be for a, bona fide
Speaker 2: like top fifteen player IN. The nba if that's, not
Speaker 2: there you don't need to be blown a bunch of
Speaker 2: money in. Free agency you don't need to be blown
Speaker 2: a bunch of money tying yourself up on the. Cap,
Speaker 2: sheet well how do you feel About the pistons? Moving? Forward,
Speaker 2: JACKSON yeah i think you make a.
Speaker 3: Good point there were some there were some people in
Speaker 3: the chat talking about should they try to Go After?
Speaker 3: Devin Booker and i'm not Sure the sons Are Trading,
Speaker 3: devin booker but that's probably the, you know if they're
Speaker 3: going to make, a move it's got to be someone of.
Speaker 2: That caliber he'd be the bottom OF what i, consider, That, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: RIGHT and i think that the comment was partially due
Speaker 3: to the fact that he had the sort of he
Speaker 3: showed In THE team usa over, the summer that he
Speaker 3: has a willingness and ability to be a, secondary star be,
Speaker 3: a defend not not that he's a, stopper stopper but
Speaker 3: be a sort of a high effort defender as opposed
Speaker 3: to just having to be the heliocentric in tern of.
Speaker 3: An OFFENSE so i, THINK stylistically i definitely understand, the
Speaker 3: fit but it it can't be anybody worse than that
Speaker 3: if you're making if, you can't, you know to, your
Speaker 3: point ship off a bunch of draft picks for someone
Speaker 3: Worse Than devin booker.
Speaker 2: And Jad and ivy's development is gonna. BE key, i
Speaker 2: mean like you saw what you Saw With dennis schroeder
Speaker 2: with the value of a guard that can defend but
Speaker 2: that can also generate, dribble penetration run second side. Action
Speaker 2: a jaden showed some pop as a spot up shooter
Speaker 2: this year that he didn't show in, The past so
Speaker 2: like a lot of it too is gonna come Down
Speaker 2: To jaden. Ivy's development, and, like again you're better off
Speaker 2: finding Out what jaden's capable of by investing in that and,
Speaker 2: maintaining flexibility then you are tying. Yourself up you don't
Speaker 2: want to pull A Early lebron Calves like he's the
Speaker 2: perfect example of what this looks like if you, get
Speaker 2: IMPATIENT and i, get, it like what do you Do
Speaker 2: when lebron like clearly looks like the second best player
Speaker 2: in the world by two thousand and seven and is
Speaker 2: dragging a team TO the, nba, finals like of course
Speaker 2: you're gonna, think like we got to do, something urgent
Speaker 2: but that's what. They did they went after For A,
Speaker 2: Moe williams they made these aggressive Moves For antoine jamison
Speaker 2: and Signed signing. Shaquille O'Neil they made these like urgent
Speaker 2: win now types of moves that handcuffed their ability to
Speaker 2: build Sustainably. Around lebron and that's. The key you've got
Speaker 2: a guy you gotta caid show that he's a guy in.
Speaker 2: THIS series i really think he did. Like it there's
Speaker 2: there is real top tier superstar potential. With him it
Speaker 2: just needs to be You gotta this Is not wemby where, it's,
Speaker 2: like oh like we legitimately can contend for a championship
Speaker 2: right away because he's the anchor for an all time great,
Speaker 2: defense potentially and Like, LIKE wemby i feel a little bit.
Speaker 2: More urgency But, WITH kate i think you want to
Speaker 2: play the. SLOW game i think you want to play the.
Speaker 2: Long game, all, right guys that's all we have. For tonight,
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