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Speaker 2: it was too long of a close out. They ended

429
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Speaker 2: up having to close out from the weak side, and

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Speaker 2: so there are still openings that the Celtics confined there.

431
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Speaker 2: But ultimately the Knick's best opportunity to keep themselves out

432
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 2: of rotation is to switch, regardless of whether it's a

433
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: peel switch or more of a traditional switch. But that's

434
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Speaker 2: gonna be the thing that I noticed on film that's

435
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 2: gonna end up playing a big role in this series.

436
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 2: Is cand Jalen Brunson do a better job of attacking

437
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: Porzingis and Horford in screening action than the Jays on

438
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 2: the other end of the floor. Or Derek White as well,

439
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 2: if he's involved, can attack Karl, Anthony Towns and Jalen

440
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: Brunson in screening action. That's gonna be the series. The

441
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 2: margin for air for New York is just so incredibly thin.

442
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 2: Every Nick is going to have to play to the

443
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Speaker 2: absolute peak of their ability. I'm gonna hold off on

444
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Speaker 2: making a pick until tomorrow morning. Tomorrow morning, we will

445
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Speaker 2: have a series preview on Celtics Nicks that will be

446
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: on the channel probably you know, right around noon ish

447
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: specific time, So keep an eye on the feeds around there.

448
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: But this is gonna be an interesting series. But like

449
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: the Knicks are gonna have their work cut out for him.

450
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 2: Boston's got some clear advantages, a clear way to attack.

451
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 2: I was talking with Colin Coward about this on his

452
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: show yesterday. But one of the things that's interesting about

453
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Speaker 2: the personality of these two teams is there's this idea like, oh,

454
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: we went and we got Og and we got McHale.

455
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 2: That's our answer to the Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum problem.

456
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 2: We need lots of big, versatile wings. But I think

457
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 2: people are missing the point about what has made the

458
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Speaker 2: Celtics successful over the years. It's not because they have

459
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 2: big versatile wings. It's because they can put together five

460
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: man lineups where everybody can guard multiple positions. That's what

461
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 2: gives them the flexibility to switch. That's what makes it

462
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,719
Speaker 2: so that you can't very easily break down their defense

463
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Speaker 2: at the point of attack. There's an example in the

464
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Speaker 2: Celtics film that I was watching today where it's like,

465
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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if Og and Obi's guarding Jason Tatum,

466
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Speaker 2: if you can screen with Jalen Brunson's man, and Jalen

467
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: Brunson's not gonna switch on to him because then Og

468
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: gets caught on the screen and Tatum can get downhill

469
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 2: or Tatum can attack a defense that's in rotation. It

470
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: doesn't matter that Josh hart og And and Obi and Michale

471
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: Bridges are super versatile forwards if they're anchored by two

472
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: players that you can get their defense into rotation and

473
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Speaker 2: screening action. That is going to be the key for

474
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Speaker 2: the Knicks in the series is trying to find a

475
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Speaker 2: way to find a defensive coverage with those two that

476
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Speaker 2: can keep them out of rotation. But again, keep an

477
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Speaker 2: eye on the feeds. Tomorrow we'll have a series preview

478
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the day. Lastly on Kate before

479
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Speaker 2: we get into our mailbag. Like, I get it, if

480
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Speaker 2: your jump SHOT's not falling, you want to try to

481
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: find something else that works. But one of the things

482
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Speaker 2: that's going to be very important for Cad in his

483
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: development is have you ever watched a Jalen Brunson game

484
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: where you feel like he won't take a jump shot

485
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 2: when his team needs him too down the stretch, even

486
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: if he's missing. We'll see games this year where Brunson is,

487
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: you know, five for nineteen, but he'll take and make

488
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: three big jump shots down the stretch. You have to

489
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Speaker 2: trust your work and trust your ability to knock down

490
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: that shot. The reason why it matters is because of

491
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: the coverage. The shot that the Knicks were conceding to

492
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: Cad tonight was that interchange gap in the hedge and recover.

493
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: So as you seek Cunningham coming off the screen and

494
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Speaker 2: Og Andnobi's guarding him. When Tim Hardaway Junior comes up

495
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: and sets the pick, Brunson is jumping out to hedge,

496
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 2: getting in Kid's way so that he has to go

497
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: round the hedge. Og in that sequence is going underneath

498
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Speaker 2: to meet Kate on the other side of the screen.

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Speaker 2: So as Brunson is bailing on the hedge and as

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Speaker 2: Og is coming back up to meet on the other side,

501
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: there was a clear gap where Cade was looking at

502
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Speaker 2: the rim in a high hesitation dribble and wouldn't take

503
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: the shot, And ultimately the reason why they lost this

504
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: game down the stretches. They didn't score a single time.

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00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: They didn't make a bucket after they took that seven

506
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: point lead. One bucket. You're sending this to game seven,

507
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 2: and so with KD you need to come down to

508
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: a series of very basic moves that you can go

509
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: to an isolation situations and basic coverage beating shots that

510
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: you cannot bail on that pull up three absolutely has

511
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: to be a shot that you trust when you need

512
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Speaker 2: to take it, because you might have to take it

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Speaker 2: because of a coverage in a specific situation late in

514
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Speaker 2: the game. We know with Jalen Brunson, he likes to

515
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: fade over his left shoulder. He likes to step back

516
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Speaker 2: to his right, you know, kind of shooting over his

517
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 2: left shoulder, and then he likes to set himself up

518
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 2: like he's gonna go off of a screen with his

519
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 2: right hand, and then hard right cross, right to left

520
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: crossover to try to get downhill to reject a screen.

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00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 2: Those are like the three main go to kind of

522
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: things you're gonna see from Brunton down the stretch. He's

523
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: gotten incredibly good at those moves. If he gets to

524
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: those moves, he's gonna hit him about fifty percent of

525
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 2: the time on his jump shots, and he's gonna get

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00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 2: get to the foul line or get something decent at

527
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 2: the rim at a pretty high rate. On his drives.

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00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 2: He has these dependable, rock solid, we're stuck in the

529
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: half court, it's tied, there's five minutes left, types of moves.

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Speaker 2: That's the type of reliability that Kide needs to build

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Speaker 2: out in specific parts of his shot making. Late in games,

532
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: he took and made like a little left shoulder fade

533
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: over o Jan Andobi in the post. That was the

534
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: only jump shot that he was willing to take in

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00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: that stretch. Okay, let's say that that's one of your moves.

536
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: You need to wrap it out so that you have

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00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 2: this left shoulder fade that at any given moment if

538
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: your team needs a bucket. Oh shit, there, I can't.

539
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: Let's pretend you're dealing with a Nasar Thompson look alike

540
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 2: on the other team. I can't get a Sar Thompson

541
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: off me. What am I gonna do? I got a

542
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: fine a way to score on this guy. And there's

543
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: just a little bit of a passivity that we saw

544
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: from Caid, from a little bit of a lack of

545
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: trust in what he could do in those situations down

546
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: the stretch. I got it reflected throughout this series. There

547
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: was no real consistency in the way that Caid looked

548
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: to attack down the stretch. And so again I'm not

549
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: being critical of Kate. I'm just talking about his long

550
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: term development. This is the piece that's missing for him

551
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 2: that when he adds he can take this team to

552
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: another level. He was As you can see this, Pisson's

553
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: team is closer to being able to make a deeper

554
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 2: playoff run than we originally thought, and Kid's development is

555
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: going to be the thing that pushes them over the

556
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: top in that regard. All right, Jackson, let's see about

557
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: ten minutes of questions. How did that sound.

558
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Speaker 3: Let's let's do some questions. We're going to do a

559
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 3: couple from the first game or the Clippers game, and

560
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 3: then we'll do a Clipper from the other game and

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Speaker 3: go from there. First one, Nick Batoum was huge in

562
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: tonight's game. He started the second half, obviously in place

563
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: of Chris Dunn. He also took Ben Simmons's sort of

564
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: rotation minutes, and he was awesome on both times. Are

565
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: the court? How can the Nuggets try and solve this

566
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: problem in Game seven?

567
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: Containing the ball? It's it's that simple. This is this

568
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 2: is something that you see all over the place. I mean,

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00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: it was so funny when I saw JB. Bickerstaff in

570
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: his when the Knicks took their double digit lead. There

571
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: was another timeout audio clip of JB saying, like we

572
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: got to control the ball. We can't and it was

573
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: during that stretch when Campaign was just eviscerating Malik Beasley,

574
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: and like you like that. That's ultimately what it comes

575
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: down to. Like if you if you contain the ball,

576
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: help defense doesn't have to overreact. If help defense doesn't

577
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: have to overreact, the kickout reads on, it is clean.

578
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: If the kickout reads on is clean, the advantages aren't there.

579
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: The ball gets stagnant, it turns into tossing the ball

580
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: to your star with five or six seconds left on

581
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: the shot clock. And like Nick Patoom, there was a

582
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: lot of Nick Patuma alongside Norman Powell, which I thought

583
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: was very interesting tonight in terms of just floor spacing,

584
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: like basically situating themselves in a way where there's just

585
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: these two knockdown three point shooters on the floor that

586
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: are playing off ball. That just creates a lot of

587
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: space for James Harden to look to attack. But again,

588
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: if Christian Brown can apply better ball pressure on James

589
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: Harden and flat note those flatten out those drives a bit,

590
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: that will prevent the close out opportunities that he can

591
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Speaker 2: capitalize on. And Nick Watum has always just been an

592
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: underrated defensive player. But like if you can get the

593
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: best of both worlds. If you can get an athlete

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Speaker 2: that's covering ground and you know, doing stuff to disrupt

595
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: people around the rim the way Ben Simmons can, while

596
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: also providing you with shooting on the other end of

597
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: the floor. I mean, that's you're getting two players in

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Speaker 2: one there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think patom also in addition to the

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Speaker 3: physical defensive tools he has, he saw on some of

601
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: those deflections he had late is super high Q. He

602
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: knows that where they're looking to go in their two

603
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: man game, that kind of reads that Jamal is making

604
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: and where he can try where he tries to bail

605
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Speaker 3: out if he's getting double teamed. I think he had

606
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: two or three big deflections late and his his smarts

607
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 3: are on display.

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Speaker 2: I think this is a great point, Jackson, Like I

609
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: feel like at least half the job on defense is

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Speaker 2: the mental side. Like if you if you're a athlete,

611
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: but you can't read what the progression is that's taking place,

612
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: then you're gonna struggle on defense. So for instance, like

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00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: you you made a great point, Like if you're running

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00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: the two man game with Murray and Jokic and he

615
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: catches in the pocket, you know that when the lowman

616
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: steps up, Aaron Gordon's gonna be kind of sidling in

617
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: along the baseline, and Michael Porter Junior is gonna be

618
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: sliding down to the corner. And the passing read for

619
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Speaker 2: Yokich is gonna be based on whether or not Michael

620
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: Porter Junior's man comes down and tags Aaron Gordon and

621
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Speaker 2: a lot of that. You can read the eyes and

622
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: you can try to jump in front of it. Jokich

623
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: post up, same sort of thing. If he gets to

624
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: the middle and he sees a guy step up, Aaron

625
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: Gordon's gonna slide in underneath the basket, Michael Porter Junior

626
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: is gonna relocate to the corner, and there's a two

627
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: on one in the form of Gordon and MPJ. And

628
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Speaker 2: so to your point, if you can like be in

629
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Speaker 2: Jokich's head and understand where he's going next, you're not

630
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: always gonna beat him. And sometimes he's gonna be a

631
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: genius and he might bait you into being out of position,

632
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: and he might beat you, but you can force him

633
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: into more mistakes if you can be more anticipatory of

634
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Speaker 2: what he's trying to do. I'm not even sure if

635
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: that's a word anyway, go ahead, I.

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Speaker 3: Think I think he nailed it.

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00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 2: Think you nailed it.

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Speaker 3: Next question, Uh, we've talked a little bit about this,

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00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 3: but you know now that we're one game away, it's

640
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: either going to be Denver or Los Angeles. Moving on

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00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: with that, we know that for sure.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that The question is Jackson's Lakers and

643
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: nine B.

644
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: Right Lakers, And the question is do you think the

645
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: Clippers perimeter defense, defensive personnel, and Kawhi having size advantages

646
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: over most of Okac's guards makes the Clippers a tougher

647
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: component opponent compared to Denver.

648
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: In theory, the Clippers should be a tougher matchup for

649
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: Oka se Zoo can present similar problems for their interior

650
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 2: in terms of his size that can present Kawhi Leonard

651
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: is this like big forward that can thrive against some

652
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: of Okac's smaller perimeter players to get to his spots.

653
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: James Harden in theory, is the type of player that

654
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: can punish the Thunder for loading up on the strong

655
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: side when he's running his ball screens. My big concern

656
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: is the Thunder are a excellent turnover forcing defense that

657
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: will pressure the hell out of you, speed you up

658
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: and if you can't be precise in your connective playmaking

659
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: after James Harden makes that first read, you're gonna be

660
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: in a track meet and O case is gonna win.

661
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: I trust Denver more to make the necessary passing reads

662
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: to break down Oklahoma City's defense more than I trust

663
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: the Clippers on the other end of the floor. OKAC

664
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: is gonna score on the Nuggets. The Nuggets are not

665
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: a great enough a good enough defense to like stop

666
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: oka se but I think Denver will be able to

667
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: get some stops by virtue of the thing we've talked

668
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: about all season with Okasee and the fact that you

669
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: can load up the strong side a little bit with

670
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: them and you're not super concerned about their guys on

671
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: the weak side burning you and catch and shoot situations.

672
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: So like I to me, it's like, I think you've

673
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: got to be big and smart to beat OKAC, and

674
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: I'm worried that the Clippers aren't smart enough. Totally agree,

675
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: and like, I think it could be a nightmare James

676
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: Harden series with their ball pressure and their physicality, and

677
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: like him kind of just struggling as that series gets

678
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 2: super intense. The Clippers certainly can beat the Thunder. I'm

679
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 2: not trying to say they can't, but I just I

680
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: look at the matchups and I view the Nuggets as

681
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: just a better threat, if that makes sense. I just

682
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: I think it's just this Clippers team is such a

683
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: like a kind of Jekyll and Hide energy and intensity

684
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: kind of team too, which I just don't think you

685
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: can afford when okay See has home court advantage either.

686
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, I would lean towards Denver speaking.

687
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 3: Of Jekyl and Hide energy teams. Question about the Knicks,

688
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: why don't the Knicks always come out with this kind

689
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 3: of urgency?

690
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny. Shout out Josh Roger, you guys,

691
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: he's done some production work for the show over the years.

692
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: Big big, big Knicks fan. He was tweeting earlier about

693
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: how like Knicks fans are just done with this team

694
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: and how like they just are like reserved to the

695
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: fact that they're going to get just crushed by the

696
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: Celtics and it just doesn't matter, and like it's just funny.

697
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: You and I were texting about this earlier, Jackson. It's

698
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 2: just funny juxtaposed with last year's team, which kind of

699
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: had like felt like the heart and soul of the

700
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: New York City playing basketball, you know what I mean?

701
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: And I think I think there are some valuable lessons

702
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: learned in the sense that this team just does have

703
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: a lack of like grit compared to the previous iteration

704
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: of the team. You could go into a bunch of

705
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: different ideas as to what causes that. I think it's

706
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: I think it's a combination of things. I think that

707
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: they're not as deep as they used to be, and

708
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 2: so there's a little bit of an energy conservation element

709
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: to it. I think that Karl Anthony Towns is kind

710
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: of a textbook Jekyll and Hyde intensity guy in the

711
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 2: same way that James Harden is. And so, you know,

712
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: I look at consistencies like, I know Og can be

713
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: part of that character. I know Josh can be part

714
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: of that character. I know Brunson can be part of

715
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: that character. I don't think McHale Bridges is a guy

716
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: who lacks energy and intensity, although he had some stretches

717
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: this season where he wasn't as good defensively as he

718
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: needed to be. But you know, I think that the idea,

719
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 2: like let's say that the let's say that the Knicks

720
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: just gets smashed in the second in the second round

721
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: against Boston. I think that Brunson has proven to this

722
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: point that he has the ability to create offense in

723
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: tight spaces, Like I think he's proven that he doesn't

724
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: necessarily need to have you know, perfect five out spacing

725
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: to be able to create offense for himself. So if

726
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 2: things go really poorly, I would strongly consider the pivot

727
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: centering around Kat and trying to flip him basically for

728
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: depth of like just big ass kicking front court athletes

729
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: and backcourt athletes, and just really lean into the identity

730
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: that worked last year, which is if we surround Brunson

731
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: with a ton of toughness in all the margins, he

732
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: can carry us over the top offensively. But I think

733
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 2: it's a combination of the lack of depth. They scored

734
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: the ball really well for extended stretches this year, which

735
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: I think bred some laziness for them on the defensive end.

736
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: They felt like they could outscore teams when they needed to,

737
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: and then Karl Anthony Towns is just kind of an

738
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: inconsistent energy and effort guy. I really think it just

739
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: comes down to that. But I get it. It's frustrating

740
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: like they there were short, little five minute spurts in

741
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: this series where the Knicks looked like they were completely

742
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 2: outclassing Detroit, but they just weren't able to like maintain

743
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: that momentum throughout the series.

744
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is weird how a Tom Thibodeau coach team

745
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 3: is so offense dependent and it feels like they can't

746
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 3: They really struggle to get big stops. I mean, you know,

747
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: it helps that the Pistons are a young team with

748
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 3: not the many playmakers, but it really does feel like

749
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 3: the next struggle on the defensive end when they need.

750
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 2: To they do. Yeah, it's it's it's been. It's been

751
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: kind of like the story of the season is, like

752
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 2: they last year. They weren't a statistically great defense either,

753
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 2: but they were a good playoff defense and they were

754
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: able to cause some real problems. And I think we

755
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: underestimate to just how much Isaiah Hartenstein was part of

756
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: the heart and soul of this team as just like

757
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: another one of those ask kicking front court players. But that,

758
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 2: to me is the key in terms of like, if

759
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna take a lesson from this year, it's it's that,

760
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: you know, there's a identity that works that you lost.

761
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: You brought in talent, but you lost identity in the process.

762
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: For sure.

763
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: Let's do one more question, what kind of move should

764
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: Detroit look at this summer.

765
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: So there's a there's a delicate balance here because you

766
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: got to be realistic about your chances. So Cleveland isn't

767
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: going anywhere. Boston could take a small step back next

768
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 2: year if they end up making some sort of cost

769
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 2: cutting move, which has been the story around the NBA today.

770
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: There is Oklahoma City, who I think is in the

771
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 2: beginning of what should be a three to four year

772
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: consistent contending run. So you're not winning the title next year,

773
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: is my point. With Detroit. What you need with kid

774
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: is playoff experience and sustainable talent and success. So I

775
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: think it's very important to avoid getting tied up in

776
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: long term free agent contracts. And I think it's very

777
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: important to shift their free ag or their draft strategy

778
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: towards older, more NBA ready role player talent. So don't

779
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: swing for the fence. Is with the and by the way,

780
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: this by virtue of them winning as many games as

781
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: they won this year, it will naturally slot them into

782
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: this part of the draft the middle of the first round.

783
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 2: In the middle of the first round, you can find

784
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: guys that are sixty seven, six', eight six' nine that,

785
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: can dribble shoot, and pass that have no, Star upside

786
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: like you're not Gonna get giannis out. OF here i

787
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: mean not unless you draft a super raw player that

788
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 2: can't help you. Right away but that's my, point is

789
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: you don't want to be, hunting raw high. Ceiling targets

790
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: you want to be looking for Big Picture, Tobias Harrison malik,

791
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: beasley replacements Big Picture tim hardaway junior types. Of replacements

792
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: what that means is guys that can play off, the

793
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: ball that weak side scoring, forward archetype a guard that

794
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: can set ghost Screens for kate and slip out of

795
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: it and, shoot threes but that can also defend at

796
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: the point of attack on the other end of. The

797
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: floor they need to be TARGETING older nba ready role

798
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: player talent in, the draft avoiding sabotaging yourself a free

799
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: agency if you do something stupid like trade a bunch

800
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: of draft picks for a player that makes you not

801
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 2: as Good, As cleveland Boston. Or, okay see that's where

802
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: you end up. In trouble if you make some sort.

803
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: Of trade it needs to be for a, bona fide

804
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: like top fifteen player IN. The nba if that's, not

805
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: there you don't need to be blown a bunch of

806
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: money in. Free agency you don't need to be blown

807
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of money tying yourself up on the. Cap,

808
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: sheet well how do you feel About the pistons? Moving? Forward,

809
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: JACKSON yeah i think you make a.

810
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 3: Good point there were some there were some people in

811
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: the chat talking about should they try to Go After?

812
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 3: Devin Booker and i'm not Sure the sons Are Trading,

813
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 3: devin booker but that's probably the, you know if they're

814
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 3: going to make, a move it's got to be someone of.

815
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: That caliber he'd be the bottom OF what i, consider, That, right, Yeah.

816
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 3: RIGHT and i think that the comment was partially due

817
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: to the fact that he had the sort of he

818
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: showed In THE team usa over, the summer that he

819
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: has a willingness and ability to be a, secondary star be,

820
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: a defend not not that he's a, stopper stopper but

821
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 3: be a sort of a high effort defender as opposed

822
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 3: to just having to be the heliocentric in tern of.

823
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 3: An OFFENSE so i, THINK stylistically i definitely understand, the

824
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: fit but it it can't be anybody worse than that

825
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: if you're making if, you can't, you know to, your

826
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 3: point ship off a bunch of draft picks for someone

827
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 3: Worse Than devin booker.

828
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: And Jad and ivy's development is gonna. BE key, i

829
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: mean like you saw what you Saw With dennis schroeder

830
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: with the value of a guard that can defend but

831
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: that can also generate, dribble penetration run second side. Action

832
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: a jaden showed some pop as a spot up shooter

833
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: this year that he didn't show in, The past so

834
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: like a lot of it too is gonna come Down

835
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 2: To jaden. Ivy's development, and, like again you're better off

836
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: finding Out what jaden's capable of by investing in that and,

837
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: maintaining flexibility then you are tying. Yourself up you don't

838
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: want to pull A Early lebron Calves like he's the

839
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 2: perfect example of what this looks like if you, get

840
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: IMPATIENT and i, get, it like what do you Do

841
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: when lebron like clearly looks like the second best player

842
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: in the world by two thousand and seven and is

843
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: dragging a team TO the, nba, finals like of course

844
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna, think like we got to do, something urgent

845
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: but that's what. They did they went after For A,

846
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: Moe williams they made these aggressive Moves For antoine jamison

847
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: and Signed signing. Shaquille O'Neil they made these like urgent

848
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: win now types of moves that handcuffed their ability to

849
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: build Sustainably. Around lebron and that's. The key you've got

850
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: a guy you gotta caid show that he's a guy in.

851
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 2: THIS series i really think he did. Like it there's

852
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: there is real top tier superstar potential. With him it

853
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 2: just needs to be You gotta this Is not wemby where, it's,

854
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: like oh like we legitimately can contend for a championship

855
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: right away because he's the anchor for an all time great,

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Speaker 2: defense potentially and Like, LIKE wemby i feel a little bit.

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Speaker 2: More urgency But, WITH kate i think you want to

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Speaker 2: play the. SLOW game i think you want to play the.

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Speaker 2: Long game, all, right guys that's all we have. For tonight,

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Speaker 2: as mentioned, tomorrow night not tonight. Tomorrow night we are

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Speaker 2: going to be going over to playback after the final

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Speaker 2: part of this YouTube, live show but we are going

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Speaker 2: to be back tomorrow morning with a series Preview On.

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Speaker 2: Celtics knicks we'll be back tomorrow Night with game Six Of,

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Speaker 2: rockets we will be moving Over to playback where we're

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Speaker 2: going to be doing a bunch of like interactive stuff

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Speaker 2: with you guys and probably some film. As well, as

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Speaker 2: always we sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting us and supporting.

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Speaker 2: The show we will see you. Tomorrow morning what's? Up guys,

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Speaker 2: AS always i appreciate you for listening to AND supporting.

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Speaker 2: Oops tonight they would actually be really helpful for us

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Speaker 2: rating and. A review, AS always i appreciate you guys,

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Speaker 2: supporting us but if you could take a minute to,

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