Speaker 1: Oh, hello this man?
Speaker 2: Hi? Who is this? Who? Oh?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 1: Kick? Hey is John? How are you doing?
Speaker 2: John? What's up? John? How's how's life? Brother? Have we
Speaker 2: ever spoken before?
Speaker 1: No, man, I tripped over your thing. I was like
Speaker 1: doom scrolling on some terrible political crap and there is
Speaker 1: like this green guy talking about people and I think
Speaker 1: some of the was tightened boogers under their desk, and
Speaker 1: I could not get enough.
Speaker 2: Rock and roll, Man, rock and roll.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say I have been spiraling on like
Speaker 1: trying to like help people and give them advice. And
Speaker 1: one of the big things have been telling everybody's dude,
Speaker 1: you got this problem, you should go to therapy. I've
Speaker 1: never gone to therapy, and I'm listening to you constantly say,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a good dude in a green whatever.
Speaker 1: Maybe you could talk to someone who actually gets into
Speaker 1: this more. And I was like, that's a great point.
Speaker 1: I've been doing therapy for the past like three months
Speaker 1: and it has been bomb ass great, really so happy dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that's awesome. What how has it been helpful
Speaker 2: for you? Well?
Speaker 1: I think first off, when someone gives you an opportunity
Speaker 1: to listen a lot. It gives you enough rope to
Speaker 1: start kind of hanging yourself. Yeah, so when I say
Speaker 1: something and I'm like, well, I'm a good person, but
Speaker 1: then I start like listening all the behaviors I have
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, well I'm kind of compromising my
Speaker 1: values there. Yeah, it kind of puts a bigger spotlight
Speaker 1: on it. And I have a therapist who's really good
Speaker 1: just like letting me do that. And I'm pretty just
Speaker 1: talk a million miles an hour anyway, So dude, the
Speaker 1: number of times she just kind of says, well, you
Speaker 1: just said this and this, which one are you? And
Speaker 1: it's like, well, and not that I have to choose
Speaker 1: one necessarily, but I realized I'm a very complex, contradictory person,
Speaker 1: and not necessarily in a bad way.
Speaker 2: And it says, here, you're you're forty one years old.
Speaker 2: This is your first time doing therapy in all forty
Speaker 2: one years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had I had a stint where growing up,
Speaker 1: I had a lot of problems with depression and I
Speaker 1: ended up with I guess it was a doctor and
Speaker 1: they did prescribe me some anti depressives that honestly were
Speaker 1: very helpful and kind of kickstarted me and got me
Speaker 1: out of my bedroom because I was just laying around
Speaker 1: at a fetal position all the time. And I thought, well,
Speaker 1: you know, that cured that I don't really need to
Speaker 1: talk about my feelings or my family or you know,
Speaker 1: am I in love with my mother or whatever weird
Speaker 1: psychologist crap. And I just kind of plowed ahead. So meanwhile,
Speaker 1: it seemed like a good idea and talk. I just
Speaker 1: have too many any fears that I'm going to talk
Speaker 1: to someone who's gonna judge me, or they don't get
Speaker 1: where I'm from, or they're just gonna give me bad
Speaker 1: advice and you know, probably doesn't get covered by insurance
Speaker 1: or blah blah blah and be a waste of time.
Speaker 1: They're gonna make it worse. So I've just kind of
Speaker 1: been doing self help books like a mofo for like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty years, and it's fun to read,
Speaker 1: and you know a lot of that's very applicable.
Speaker 2: So man, I mean, well, I'm curious. I guess what
Speaker 2: what are you working on? What are you trying to change?
Speaker 4: Will?
Speaker 1: Most of it's trying to stop and recognize where I'm
Speaker 1: at or what I actually want, you know, Like, I'm single,
Speaker 1: and I've been really bad at being single, Like it
Speaker 1: feels so much better to just have someone next to
Speaker 1: you who can support you, say you're attractive.
Speaker 2: You know, what does that? What does that mean? What
Speaker 2: does that mean? Being bad at being single? Do you
Speaker 2: mean do you mean you're like you just don't like it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just get really anxious, you know, I just
Speaker 1: want to fix that. It's a problem. I shouldn't be single.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a lover, Like I just walk around
Speaker 1: and tell people how great they are all day. It's
Speaker 1: it's like the best thing mm hm. But meanwhile, the
Speaker 1: part where I'm alone, it's like I kind of have
Speaker 1: this picture of like the atomic family being the perfect ideal.
Speaker 1: That really stood out to me when I got divorced
Speaker 1: and realized I had brushed the dream or whatever, which
Speaker 1: I had to ask myself, like, well, the dream was
Speaker 1: a husband and wife who hated each other and we're
Speaker 1: screaming at each other, and I, you know, it was
Speaker 1: a terrible household to be so choosing do I want
Speaker 1: to look like something out of a seventies family poster
Speaker 1: or but scream? You know, you know when everyone leaves,
Speaker 1: or do I want to learn how to you know,
Speaker 1: have boundaries and have a little bit of self respect,
Speaker 1: you know, be alone and I kind of go with it,
Speaker 1: Oh I should be alone? And then like I get
Speaker 1: impatient with it and I just run and finds out
Speaker 1: it make me feel better about myself.
Speaker 2: How long you've been single for since uh, the divorce
Speaker 2: or I guess I don't know if you I don't
Speaker 2: know if there were anyone in between. But how long
Speaker 2: you've been Singapore in these days?
Speaker 1: It's been a journey. Like my first marriage was ten years,
Speaker 1: the second one was like three and a half years.
Speaker 1: And I've dated a few people since. I think that's
Speaker 1: the longest I have not dated somebody. And it's been
Speaker 1: about five months now something like that time.
Speaker 2: But the longest you've not dated somebody since since uh?
Speaker 1: I was married?
Speaker 2: Okay, how old were you when you started dating the
Speaker 2: woman you married?
Speaker 1: I was, this is the first person I ever dated.
Speaker 1: We were like twenty.
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And so I came from it.
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 1: It was normal to get married at twenty for that group,
Speaker 1: Like by twenty one, you should have a couple of
Speaker 1: kids and be appropriating like crazy.
Speaker 2: What is that group.
Speaker 1: Oh so my parents were kind of interestingly enough, not
Speaker 1: Christians growing up necessarily, but they both became non denominational Christians,
Speaker 1: and then they became Southern Baptist Christians, and then they
Speaker 1: became Menonites, which are kind of like Amish, but like
Speaker 1: they have cars, they use computers, but they like don't
Speaker 1: do video games or CDs or that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: The women wear head coverings and dresses, and the men
Speaker 1: go and do construction work and do simple living kind
Speaker 1: of thing. I was pretty tempted. I will say simple
Speaker 1: living takes a lot of the complexities out of your
Speaker 1: life and gives you a lot more community. But I'm
Speaker 1: just not quite a Nebraska is not quite my speed
Speaker 1: or lifestyle.
Speaker 2: How old were you when you sort of deflected away
Speaker 2: from that community.
Speaker 1: So I probably when I was about twenty two, So
Speaker 1: for about four years I wasn't officially men and like
Speaker 1: I wasn't in the club, but like I wore what
Speaker 1: they wore, and I kind of followed the rules. And meanwhile,
Speaker 1: I felt like I wanted to be a little more
Speaker 1: immersed in the world. Like they're a little more about
Speaker 1: kind of living their own life. They're not like commune
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but they're they're definitely separated from most
Speaker 1: of society, and I'm more of a people person. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of where I wanted to go, get into
Speaker 1: child education and counsel and I ended up doing like
Speaker 1: an after school program with kids that lived in projects
Speaker 1: in rural Wyoming.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, where'd you? Where did you go? Right after
Speaker 2: you when you were twenty two, right when you decided
Speaker 2: you did not want to be a Mennonite? I almost said, well,
Speaker 2: who's a good character from Curby? But go ahead, I need.
Speaker 1: To catch up on that. So my family men and
Speaker 1: knights are not like all over the place. So they
Speaker 1: found a local chapter that was in Nebraska, and like
Speaker 1: I said, Nebraska wasn't my speed. I ended up moving
Speaker 1: to Wyoming, which we.
Speaker 3: Had lived there a bit before.
Speaker 1: So I ended up in the middle and we like
Speaker 1: to call Wyoming nowhere and I was literally in the
Speaker 1: middle of it. So it's just kind of rural area.
Speaker 1: I lived on an Indian reservation and just kind of
Speaker 1: hung out with simple folks out there.
Speaker 2: And what was the deal with your wife? Was she
Speaker 2: also from Was she also a Metonite? And did she
Speaker 2: come with you to do all.
Speaker 1: This, So she was she was a nurse, so she
Speaker 1: was not a mend and I and it wasn't like
Speaker 1: forbidden love or anything. And we kind of had seen
Speaker 1: each other from across the way. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: she read. When you're in a rural town and someone
Speaker 1: reads books, it's kind of like, oh my god, there's
Speaker 1: like ten of us. Not to say that rural America
Speaker 1: is illiterate, but most of my peers were wrestling and
Speaker 1: playing football and high five and and stuff. And I
Speaker 1: don't know. She was someone who just wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about her feelings. And we had a lot in common
Speaker 1: that way. And so it's if everyone else is that
Speaker 1: different from you and that one person is that much
Speaker 1: the same, it's like, well man, we must be like
Speaker 1: perfect for each other because we both read books. And
Speaker 1: that was a little silly.
Speaker 2: And so did she come with you when you left Nebraska?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So yeah, we actually, uh there was a small junior
Speaker 1: college in Wyoming, and I worked their IT department and
Speaker 1: she there was a nursing program there, so she actually
Speaker 1: got to uh to practice and be in the area,
Speaker 1: and she's actually still there. I left and moved to Oregon, So.
Speaker 2: I mean So look, I'm sure you talked about this
Speaker 2: a billion times and you don't have to. You don't
Speaker 2: have to talk about it if you don't want to.
Speaker 2: But you know what, how how do you think things deteriorated?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate the flexibility or the choice, but I'm
Speaker 1: a very open book about it. And if anything else,
Speaker 1: I actually just talked to someone about this because they
Speaker 1: also were a Christian who just went through a divorce
Speaker 1: and they were sitting there trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: they're going to sec care of their children. You know,
Speaker 1: they were no longer contributing member of society because they
Speaker 1: broke their valve. And you know, I like to speak
Speaker 1: of it and say, like, we do things that hurt people,
Speaker 1: and you hurt ourselves sometimes and it's not the end
Speaker 1: of the world. You trip and fall over, you do
Speaker 1: have to get up. And and meanwhile, like I tripped
Speaker 1: and fell over partly because well, I ended up in
Speaker 1: an emotional affair where one of my wife's friends really
Speaker 1: liked getting attention from me and it felt weird and
Speaker 1: just kind of shrugged it off. And I at the
Speaker 1: same time was partnered with somebody that was not I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say she was asexual, but we did not have
Speaker 1: physical intimacy and that was kind of tough. So in
Speaker 1: came her friend to try to fix us, and it
Speaker 1: ended up being a huge manipulation play and it hurts
Speaker 1: all three of us, Like it was what do you.
Speaker 2: What do you? What do you? What do you mean?
Speaker 2: What do you mean when you say the friend came
Speaker 2: in to try to fix you?
Speaker 1: Well, so we we were having really terrible sex and
Speaker 1: my partner wasn't having an orgasm and I could kind
Speaker 1: of tell, and I was like, hey, I I saved
Speaker 1: myself for marriage because I wanted to give you a
Speaker 1: great relationship and part of that as a physical one.
Speaker 1: And she really just didn't want to open up about it,
Speaker 1: and she was very uncomfortable talking to me about it,
Speaker 1: and so she kind of confided in her friend that,
Speaker 1: you know, while she really cared about me, the physical
Speaker 1: sexual part was something was she wasn't necessarily comfortable with.
Speaker 1: She didn't know what to do. And this person was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've had sex all the time, it's great. Let me
Speaker 1: let me try to help you out. And she kind
Speaker 1: of tried to help both of us out, but it
Speaker 1: ended up being she just kind of wanted to get
Speaker 1: my attention. I think.
Speaker 2: That when she says, let me help you out. When
Speaker 2: she says let me help you out, what is what
Speaker 2: is that? Is she being like let me fuck your
Speaker 2: husband said get let me, let's do it? What what
Speaker 2: is that? What does help you out? Man?
Speaker 1: So it was really like, because she was older, it
Speaker 1: was more like, let me talk to you about it
Speaker 1: or try to explain some of this. And so she
Speaker 1: was trying to like introduce her to toys or you know,
Speaker 1: self pleasure some of this other stuff. So on paper, no,
Speaker 1: she was not like, oh, let me just reach over
Speaker 1: and jerk them off while you watch. But over time
Speaker 1: there became more opportunities, well my opportunities. But she made
Speaker 1: these places where like, oh, how about you and I
Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit. Let's let's just talk
Speaker 1: about this a little more. And what I like, Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, here's how I enjoy having sex. Or
Speaker 1: I'm going to start touching myself and you can see
Speaker 1: how it works. And it was like I at that
Speaker 1: point knew what was happening was totally wrong, but I
Speaker 1: mean I enjoyed it. I was like, Hey, this woman
Speaker 1: is sexually aroused the family.
Speaker 2: There's a Family Guy episode where I don't know if
Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about, but there's a Family
Speaker 2: Guy episode where Peter and Lois buy this like Couples Counseling,
Speaker 2: uh videotape and they're they're in bed together watching the
Speaker 2: videotape and uh, the woman on the videotape says, now,
Speaker 2: this is the part where the wife can leave the
Speaker 2: room and I'm just going to talk to the husband,
Speaker 2: and so Lois leaves the room and then the rest
Speaker 2: of the tape is just the woman like taking off
Speaker 2: all of her clothes and it's a porn and this
Speaker 2: kind of this kind of reminds me of that Family episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I have always kind of
Speaker 1: been attracted to older women, Like my first crushes were
Speaker 1: like Mary Poppins and my friend's moms, And so this
Speaker 1: part where this older woman was like, oh, I'll kind
Speaker 1: of talk to you about sex, and then also like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear super low cut tops and just flirt
Speaker 1: with you a lot and like say you're special. But
Speaker 1: all like this is and believe me, I know exactly
Speaker 1: the episode you're talking about, and that definitely I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that was supposed to be a stupid joke,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's literally real.
Speaker 2: So now when when you say when you say emotional affair,
Speaker 2: does that mean like, I mean did you? Did you
Speaker 2: and this older woman have sex? Man?
Speaker 1: I you know, not that I actually wish I should did,
Speaker 1: but I kind of figure I got in enough trouble
Speaker 1: I might as well have. I literally didn't though, No,
Speaker 1: no like physical end pleasure whatsoever. I really didn't want
Speaker 1: to sleep with another woman other than my wife, and
Speaker 1: I really.
Speaker 3: Like to do that.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you did. You did not cheat on your wife.
Speaker 1: Not not with my penis, And it's that's true.
Speaker 2: So it was just so it was just you were
Speaker 2: forming this emotional connection with this woman. Yeah, way that
Speaker 2: your wife did not know about, right.
Speaker 1: I mean they kind of talked about it. Like there
Speaker 1: is one point where I was watching TV and they
Speaker 1: were having some kind of like sexy pillow party in
Speaker 1: the other room and they're like, then you should come
Speaker 1: join us, and I was like, oh, no, no way
Speaker 1: am I going in there. And they both grabbed me
Speaker 1: and they were like wrestling with me, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous, and I guess they're just trying to
Speaker 1: mess with me. So from stuff like that, I would
Speaker 1: ask my wife like, does that say normal to you?
Speaker 3: Like that?
Speaker 1: That seems like a bit much like again the Family
Speaker 1: Guy episode, it's like, is this was was your was.
Speaker 2: Your was your wife? Was your wife also into this woman?
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about my ex's sexual interests,
Speaker 1: to be honest, like could she be uh, somewhere on
Speaker 1: the spectrum just you know, not just sis gien? Possibly,
Speaker 1: but she really never opened up to me about it,
Speaker 1: so I don't know, but I wouldn't rule it out.
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of wondered, like because she didn't
Speaker 1: seem to be really into me, but like she liked me.
Speaker 1: We were really good friends.
Speaker 2: So this led to the end of that marriage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did not work out after that, the part
Speaker 1: where our friend started touching herself and having orgasms in
Speaker 1: front of me, I was like, Okay, that's wrong, We've
Speaker 1: actually gone too far. And meanwhile I was like, there's
Speaker 1: no way I can tell my wife about this, And
Speaker 1: I hid it from her for about six months, but
Speaker 1: it bothered me so bad that one day I just
Speaker 1: like came out and she was mortified and really upset,
Speaker 1: and I think her explanations like not telling me was
Speaker 1: even worse than the fact that it happened. And meanwhile
Speaker 1: there was it was very difficult to find and any
Speaker 1: kind of trust, for we didn't have a lot of tools. Frankly,
Speaker 1: we were both very immature children at the time.
Speaker 2: How old are you, guys.
Speaker 1: Boy, boy, that must have all fallen apart together for
Speaker 1: nine years. I was probably like twenty nine to thirty
Speaker 1: by the time it all blew up, And I would
Speaker 1: say that my relationship and marriage was pretty unhealthy, so
Speaker 1: I didn't do a lot of growing from twenty to thirty.
Speaker 2: I mentioned you mentioned at the beginning of this call
Speaker 2: that there was a lot of like screaming and fighting
Speaker 2: and stuff. Was that this marriage or was that the
Speaker 2: second one?
Speaker 1: You know, it was kind of more my second. But
Speaker 1: I would say that there was a lot of times
Speaker 1: where I just didn't know how to emotionally regulate. That
Speaker 1: was not something that I learned how to do until
Speaker 1: I was like thirty five. I'd say that it's crazy
Speaker 1: how many books are out there that have like really
Speaker 1: basic information on just the breathing, you know, that can
Speaker 1: help a ton with that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: You didn't feel like you knew how to emotionally regulate
Speaker 2: until you were thirty five. Yeah, I had idea, well
Speaker 2: what do you well, Well, I guess, well, what how
Speaker 2: do you define emotionally regulating?
Speaker 1: Well, A lot of it for me is being able
Speaker 1: to understand when I'm not happy, if something displeases me.
Speaker 3: I mean, at first, it's just.
Speaker 1: Going to annoy me. Eventually, if I leave it there,
Speaker 1: it's going to.
Speaker 3: Drive you crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a daughter and as an example,
Speaker 1: like a kid starts playing on a recorder and the
Speaker 1: first two times you hear a tweet, you know, you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess she needs to learn this thing for a practice.
Speaker 1: By the time she's walking up to you, she's blown
Speaker 1: the thing in your ear and you're like, bro, you
Speaker 1: gotta stop, and you start yelling. It's like, well, I
Speaker 1: probably should have said something a minute ago, like the
Speaker 1: first three tweets where it was just too loud. We
Speaker 1: should have had a conversation and being able to look
Speaker 1: into yourself and say, you know, I really don't like this,
Speaker 1: this is not okay. This you know, compromises my values
Speaker 1: or you know, I feel disrespected. You can say that
Speaker 1: right up front. And I was a very non confrontational person,
Speaker 1: and my dad was the only person taught me how
Speaker 1: to confront people, and it was by screaming. So I
Speaker 1: either don't say anything about it or I lose my ships.
Speaker 1: And I had to find the medium ground to say
Speaker 1: I am not happy, but also I'm not freaking the
Speaker 1: fuck out right now that that's kind of like the crisis.
Speaker 2: The ability to identify and communicate your feelings.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so him her judgment, when did you have
Speaker 2: your kid?
Speaker 1: I had my kid and that was the second marriage actually,
Speaker 1: so I would have been about thirty's I'm bad at math.
Speaker 1: She's nine years old. Years ago, I had a baby.
Speaker 2: Okay, is it just the wandi of it? Does she
Speaker 2: have a brother or sister?
Speaker 1: Her mom has a son and daughter, so she has
Speaker 1: a brother and sister, but she's the only child that
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: Okay, how is being a father?
Speaker 1: Oh dude? You know, I never wanted to pro create,
Speaker 1: really like, it never occurred to me that I should
Speaker 1: have more little knees walking around. But my partner really
Speaker 1: wanted one. It was very important to her, and I thought, hey,
Speaker 1: why not? And meanwhile, I wouldn't say it changes you
Speaker 1: as a person in terms of like some parents will say, like, well,
Speaker 1: you don't know, tell your parents, Like, actually most of
Speaker 1: it's pretty common sense and it doesn't like give you
Speaker 1: like special ability to do like parenting calculus that other
Speaker 1: civilians don't know. But it is the coolest shit ever.
Speaker 1: And I'm super proud that my daughter is basically me,
Speaker 1: Like she has so many of the joyful expressions and sharing,
Speaker 1: and she's very emotionally in tune with people. I can
Speaker 1: tell when I'm getting extra frustrated that she notices, and
Speaker 1: she'll just like come up and pat me on the
Speaker 1: shoulder and tell me I should breathe. Like she's doing
Speaker 1: so much stuff to like manage emotions and other people's
Speaker 1: emotions at nine. You know that I didn't figure out
Speaker 1: until I was like thirty five. I mean, the world's
Speaker 1: kind of going in crazy directions. But I'm very hopeful
Speaker 1: in the next generation in terms of them having better
Speaker 1: tools to manage their life.
Speaker 2: So when you got all right, see you break up
Speaker 2: with your first wife because of this hot old lady, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then how and then when you when you meet
Speaker 2: your second wife.
Speaker 1: So in announcing that I wanted to get divorced from
Speaker 1: my first wife, I was really depressed. I went to
Speaker 1: this bar and I sat there and I just had
Speaker 1: a couple of beers and my future wife was serving
Speaker 1: the bar right there, and she talked to me about
Speaker 1: the whole thing and listened really well. It was very empathetic,
Speaker 1: and it was very concerned because I was I was
Speaker 1: bummed and I was drinking, and so for her to
Speaker 1: just be like, hey, don't do anything stupid. You know,
Speaker 1: you need to chill out what the fuck's going on
Speaker 1: and really helps turn me around. And it was probably
Speaker 1: one of the more like considerate, non judgmental people to
Speaker 1: kind of like listen. And I ended up get applying
Speaker 1: for a job to be a cook there just so
Speaker 1: I could spend more time with her and the whole
Speaker 1: group at that bar. And it allowed me to spend
Speaker 1: time with her and all in love and it was
Speaker 1: it was a pretty heavy rebound. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: did not wait long to just like get divorced and
Speaker 1: straight up to go next door to the next person
Speaker 1: who happened to be single. Turns out it's usually not
Speaker 1: a good thing. I'm sure someone has had love at
Speaker 1: first sight. It's been fantastic but if you get divorced
Speaker 1: and then see love at first sight, it might be
Speaker 1: you might want to give it like five Mississippi or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, you're a little bit like, uh, you don't
Speaker 2: You never want to go into something with the idea
Speaker 2: that somebody will save you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's for sure. I would say that
Speaker 1: was something I always put in my datating profiles, like
Speaker 1: I'm not looking to be saved or save, Like, I
Speaker 1: just want to experience people and I want to appreciate people.
Speaker 2: Well, and do you meet this?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, so, so what were you guys
Speaker 2: fighting about?
Speaker 1: Well, I believe that. Well, she did eventually get diagnosed
Speaker 1: with this, but when she got pregnant, she became a
Speaker 1: very unhappy, angry person, to the point of yelling and
Speaker 1: throwing things, and she was convinced. I was sleeping with
Speaker 1: the secretary at work. I mean, quite literally, the most
Speaker 1: cliche of things. And I was like, man, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: I moved all the way across the country with you
Speaker 1: to Oregon. You know, I have a baby on the
Speaker 1: way that I couldn't be more excited about, and you're
Speaker 1: worried that I'm going to mess it all up. With
Speaker 1: some of at the front desk, and she would not
Speaker 1: be dissuaded. My best friend actually ended up calling me
Speaker 1: because she used to call him to see if I
Speaker 1: was doing any of the stuff, and he was like,
Speaker 1: maybe you should just sleep with the secretary because she
Speaker 1: seems to think that you have and you might as well,
Speaker 1: which at the time was hilarious and I appreciated the
Speaker 1: not taking the whole thing too seriously because I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was too tired to try to move
Speaker 1: my family across country and like not get fired. Like
Speaker 1: I was kind of risking a lot. And ultimately I
Speaker 1: we were yelling in front of my daughter, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I will never do that again. You know,
Speaker 1: my parents did that to me, And I was like,
Speaker 1: my kids should think that being around me it is
Speaker 1: the safest thing in their life. And if I'm compromising that,
Speaker 1: I will stop. I will do anything to stop that
Speaker 1: from happening. So I separated. I moved into a garage
Speaker 1: and refused to talk to her unless we had counseling,
Speaker 1: and we talked about it. We worked through some things,
Speaker 1: but ultimately she was not going to let that go,
Speaker 1: and she was very angry and that it was a
Speaker 1: long time later that she went to a doctor and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yeah, you have postpartum depression, like really bad.
Speaker 1: And even that news to her was terrible because it
Speaker 1: meant she was quote unquote crazy. But it actually helped
Speaker 1: a lot because then she realized I can get help
Speaker 1: for this. This feeling of anger isn't because someone did
Speaker 1: me wrong. It's because I'm sick and there's something I
Speaker 1: can do to manage that. So, I mean, fortunately we're amicable,
Speaker 1: you know, because we share child. It's important that you
Speaker 1: work together and take care of the human life. So
Speaker 1: sometimes we're a little we're a lot better at making
Speaker 1: that the priority than trying to slight each other today
Speaker 1: than we were before.
Speaker 2: So whose garage were you living then?
Speaker 1: Well, so it was the house we were in. She
Speaker 1: got the house, the kids got their bedrooms, and I
Speaker 1: just lived in the garage on the floor, which I
Speaker 1: don't know. I hate beds for some reason. I like
Speaker 1: when I'm not When I was single, like in high
Speaker 1: school and stuff, I preferred sleeping on the floor. In fact,
Speaker 1: being single right now, I'm I am, yet again living
Speaker 1: in my garage on a mat on the floor because
Speaker 1: it's simpler for me.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So what's next for you? Man? What are you? Well,
Speaker 2: let me ask, are you enjoying life?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I am. There's that saying that they say, like when
Speaker 1: you're young, you're broke, but you have all the time
Speaker 1: and energy in the world. And then when you're middle aged,
Speaker 1: you're not broke, but oh boy, lost track thoughts. You
Speaker 1: have money but you don't have Yeah, you definitely don't
Speaker 1: have time because you have some energy. And then when
Speaker 1: you're old, you definitely have money, but you don't have
Speaker 1: the energy at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm definitely in that such situation where I can
Speaker 1: over commit myself really easily. But meanwhile I'm working to
Speaker 1: be to make myself a less of a footprint, Like
Speaker 1: I'm using the garage to literally shink shrink my living
Speaker 1: space to see like how many cubic feet I actually
Speaker 1: need in order to do my day to day life
Speaker 1: and then try to find a place that fits back effectively,
Speaker 1: because I if I have less to take care of
Speaker 1: my own, then I can kind of go out and
Speaker 1: do things. And I would really like to be a photojournalist.
Speaker 1: You have ever heard of like humans of New York A? Yeah, sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of his. I think I've seen
Speaker 1: some videos of like how he does that. And I
Speaker 1: take a lot of public transportation here in Portland, and
Speaker 1: I have some kind of sticker on my face that
Speaker 1: says like, come talk to me, because every person that
Speaker 1: just all these people are like I hope they don't
Speaker 1: talk to me. They definitely talk to me, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, there's a human inside, and you hear all
Speaker 1: these different experiences, and you know, from twenty feet away,
Speaker 1: you're like, the guy just smoke crack and he's gonna
Speaker 1: punch me if I get anywhere close. And then when
Speaker 1: he does, he's like, hey, did you know about my daughter?
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, No, tell me more. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden I hear about how this guy is a
Speaker 1: proud father and his daughter is actually like a really
Speaker 1: cool CEO something or other, and he, you know, taught
Speaker 1: her how to work hard, but now he just can't
Speaker 1: handle it and he prefers just being crabby on the
Speaker 1: screet yelling at people.
Speaker 2: What do you What do you do for work? In Portland?
Speaker 1: So I do it computer work and I'm actually a manager,
Speaker 1: so I work with kind of like data nerds and
Speaker 1: you know, techy people and programmers, and I'm kind of
Speaker 1: the guy that tries to connect the dots or enable
Speaker 1: people to get the most out of their day.
Speaker 2: Well, John, you've you've You've become a very fun journey
Speaker 2: from Mennonite who does not use any technology to uh
Speaker 2: being an it guy. That's a fun journey.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm pretty pretty proud of it. I'm living my
Speaker 1: best dad life. The other positive thing I'd say about
Speaker 1: having a kid is you can tell dad bad dad
Speaker 1: jokes because your dad.
Speaker 3: It's your job.
Speaker 2: Everyone should try it. Don't so you have kids, John,
Speaker 2: thanks for sharing this story.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope you're doing well. I'm glad you're
Speaker 2: going to real therapy. I'm glad that you're, you know,
Speaker 2: living a life where you're really prioritizing your kid. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's such a that's that's that's such a fucking important thing.
Speaker 2: A lot of people like I feel like they'll have
Speaker 2: kids and they don't realize that it's you know, when
Speaker 2: you have kids, it's like it just has to be
Speaker 2: the most important thing, you know, like it's just not
Speaker 2: something to fuck around with. And it doesn't sound like
Speaker 2: you're fucking around with it. So I'm very very proud
Speaker 2: of you for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, man. I mean I'm sucking up a lot,
Speaker 1: but I think the biggest thing a parent can do
Speaker 1: is acknowledge that and just try to do better later.
Speaker 1: It's totally okay.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else from your story or just in
Speaker 2: any whatever, any any any stuff for things that you
Speaker 2: want to say to the people before we go?
Speaker 1: Man, I love that I got to talk to a
Speaker 1: green get Go therapist. My life is complete.
Speaker 2: I love that I got to talk to talk to
Speaker 2: a man living in his girl in Portland named John.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure talking to you too. John. Good
Speaker 2: luck and uh I have I have I have faith
Speaker 2: in your further prosperity. I truly do you two get
Speaker 2: doing God's work later on?
Speaker 3: Man kisses back.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I liked that sometimes if I
Speaker 2: if someone's talking to me and I find their life interesting,
Speaker 2: especially if they're a little bit older. I know our
Speaker 2: podcast skews, you know, kind of towards people in their twenties.
Speaker 2: So I'm really happy to hear from a caller who's
Speaker 2: a little bit older and has a life to share,
Speaker 2: and I like hearing I like these calls. I like
Speaker 2: hearing people's I like hearing people's life stories because life
Speaker 2: is such a crazy, non linear thing and there's no
Speaker 2: book on how to do it definitively. So one of
Speaker 2: the things you can do is listen to other people
Speaker 2: tell their life stories and glean whatever useful information of
Speaker 2: what to do or not do based off of what
Speaker 2: you hear other people say about their lives. And that's
Speaker 2: one of the fun things about interviewing people and doing
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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, is this big daddy? Lyle?
Speaker 2: Sure is?
Speaker 3: Now? How's it go? Uh?
Speaker 2: It's going okay? Uh, it's all you know. What is
Speaker 2: crazy is at any given time, I can just decide
Speaker 2: that everything is going amazing. I I sort of I
Speaker 2: sort of believe that. I I I think as I
Speaker 2: I my my faith in that idea ebbs and flows.
Speaker 2: But lately it's it's been flowing. What's up with you?
Speaker 2: What's up with you? What are you doing?
Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm good. Uh. I just say you were
Speaker 3: screaming and I was like, I gottitude into my favorite
Speaker 3: my favorite gek.
Speaker 2: So I'm so honored to be to be your to
Speaker 2: be your favorite lizard. Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Who's who's with you in the back? Someone's yelling, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's my girlfriend.
Speaker 3: She's like, she's very very excited that we got up.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I'm glad she's in the room because
Speaker 2: she deserves to know about this. I mean not really,
Speaker 2: who gives a ship? All right? You texted me and
Speaker 2: you said I have spent five thousand dollars on in
Speaker 2: game skins. Let's let's start with this. What game is this?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: The thing is I'm even do uh? League of Legends?
Speaker 2: League of Legends? Well, yeah, okay, here's I This is
Speaker 2: my opinion as somebody who has never played League of
Speaker 2: Legends in his entire life, has no idea how it's played,
Speaker 2: just by looking at the screen. All the little guys
Speaker 2: that like it's an RTS, right, it's like about what
Speaker 2: it's like a RTS sort of fucking thing. The little
Speaker 2: guys are so tiny, The little guys that you command
Speaker 2: around are so tiny that you you don't even get
Speaker 2: to look at the cool skin that you bought there's
Speaker 2: such a tiny little guys that you that you put
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 3: Clothes you mean, yeah, I mean that's the whole point.
Speaker 2: I mean, like when I play, like when you play,
Speaker 2: when you play street Fighter or like h Fortnite, you're
Speaker 2: buying like a cool al when you and when you're buying,
Speaker 2: and when you buy like a cool old costume, like
Speaker 2: your character takes up a lot of screen real estate,
Speaker 2: but in a mobile, it's just like putting. It's like
Speaker 2: buying clothes for your pet ants.
Speaker 3: Sure, no, I mean that makes sense. I see what
Speaker 3: you say. But it makes me happy when they're in
Speaker 3: a pretty cute outfit. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Like do you do you do? You have a lot
Speaker 2: of money?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 7: I have a lot of money to spend when I'm
Speaker 7: feeling cute?
Speaker 3: Is what it is?
Speaker 2: Are you in tell me this? Are you? Are you?
Speaker 2: Are you in financial turmoil?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I mean, like the thing is like I've done well
Speaker 3: for myself. I'm not. I don't I come from money,
Speaker 3: but I've never had it given to me.
Speaker 5: I guess like so once I hit like the the
Speaker 5: college phase of my life, I was like cut off.
Speaker 5: So all the money that I've you know made on
Speaker 5: my own. I've spent it on things that I enjoy, which.
Speaker 3: Are pretty little skins for my little my little pals.
Speaker 2: What do you do for a living?
Speaker 3: I work in finance.
Speaker 2: You work in finance, Yes, sir, okay, you're not like
Speaker 2: in you in any gambling debt or anything like that.
Speaker 3: It's so funny, it's so funny. Uh no, no, but I.
Speaker 2: Have like that would have been really funny if you
Speaker 2: got that would have really funny if just now you
Speaker 2: were like, oh my god, the way he asked that,
Speaker 2: that's so funny. Uh no, No, but seriously, i am
Speaker 2: in several thousand dollars. I'm glad the answer was no.
Speaker 2: I'm glad the answer was no to that question. Yes me.
Speaker 3: But that's why that's why I'm calling in. I just
Speaker 3: wanted to take out a loan uh in the lyle business. No.
Speaker 3: But so to give you some background, I recently moved
Speaker 3: to New York, which gambling is.
Speaker 2: Now uh.
Speaker 3: Legal. So like I've been dipping my toes inn. I'm terrible,
Speaker 3: Like it's just awful.
Speaker 2: So I've there's no really, there's no way to be
Speaker 2: good at it. Really, I mean it's there are games
Speaker 2: of chance. You literally can't be good at it.
Speaker 3: That's true. That's true. Have you well, I know you. Actually,
Speaker 3: I'll just say yes because you uh, because I listened
Speaker 3: to you every day and I heard some mads for.
Speaker 2: What's the question is?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 3: Sorry, it was it was just saying that you like,
Speaker 3: do you gamble it.
Speaker 2: All I have? Maybe I've gambled, like when I go
Speaker 2: to Vegas, I'll play one not even any No. I
Speaker 2: was about to say when I go to Vegas, I'll
Speaker 2: play one slot machine, but that's not true. I actually
Speaker 2: went to Vegas a few one time. When I was
Speaker 2: in Vegas, I played the slot machines. But I'm not
Speaker 2: a gambling person at all. I'm not. I don't.
Speaker 3: Say what I say again, have you done any shows
Speaker 3: in Vegas?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I've done two shows. Two shows in Vegas. They're
Speaker 2: both really really fun. Shout out, shout out Wise Guys
Speaker 2: Comedy Club.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but do so, guys, when you're coming to New York.
Speaker 2: When am I coming to September sixth, get tickets therapy
Speaker 2: Gecko tour dot com.
Speaker 3: That's my birthday month.
Speaker 2: We gotta go, We gotta gotta go. Yeah, you gotta go.
Speaker 2: Do No, it's gonna be sick. So I'm I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm here now, so I'm just gonna walk over there.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be awesome. No, that one's gonna be fun. Okay, gambling,
Speaker 2: you gamble. I live in New York. Come to the
Speaker 2: Bell House, September sixth, therapy, gacko tour dot com. What
Speaker 2: part of that? Where are you? Where are you? I
Speaker 2: don't want to what's your give me your home address
Speaker 2: or I'm the call right now.
Speaker 3: I'm in I'm in Manhattan.
Speaker 2: Oh fuck? Do you live in Manhattan and you're spending
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars on League of Legend skins? How you
Speaker 2: you're how rich? How rich are you? How rich are you?
Speaker 2: How rich are you? That's the most rich. That's the
Speaker 2: richest thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 3: First of all, I've been playing League for like ten years,
Speaker 3: so like this is a key list over time.
Speaker 6: You know what?
Speaker 2: You know what? You know what? You know what? Five
Speaker 2: thousand dollars on League of Legend skins over the course
Speaker 2: of a decade is not crazy, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's not crazy at all. I thought you like dropped
Speaker 2: it all at once.
Speaker 6: I guess, I mean that would be that would be insane,
Speaker 6: But as a fellow gamer, I feel like you would understand.
Speaker 3: But because I know you're into Smash, which is yeah.
Speaker 2: But here's here's the thing. Though I spend money on
Speaker 2: I spend money on on games. Yeah, like the game,
Speaker 2: like the games themselves.
Speaker 3: What's the best game that you played recently?
Speaker 2: The best game I played recently is the as the
Speaker 2: remake of Paper Mario and the Thousand Year Door on
Speaker 2: the Nintendo Switch.
Speaker 3: Yes, I heard you talking about it. Oh yeah, you
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 2: Every time I I'm in the middle of playing a
Speaker 2: video game, I'll talk about it a lot on the
Speaker 2: podcast because because I can do whatever I want on
Speaker 2: on here, it's fun. There's a whole lot you keep
Speaker 2: deflecting to me while you have we haven't quite gotten
Speaker 2: into what's wrong with you?
Speaker 3: All right, fair enough?
Speaker 2: Do you do you want to share anything more about that?
Speaker 2: Or would you or we don't have to talk about
Speaker 2: it if you don't want to. But do you have
Speaker 2: anything more about about that?
Speaker 7: Really?
Speaker 3: Just like if I know it's fine if I'm like
Speaker 3: playing a character that like I really enjoy enjoy at
Speaker 3: the time, like I'll just buy a skin and like
Speaker 3: I like.
Speaker 5: I like making my character look great, Like the idea
Speaker 5: of like in game skins like really enjoys.
Speaker 3: Me because it's just like it's nice, you know, like
Speaker 3: especially if you're playing something.
Speaker 2: Ask you a question, of course, do you buy clothes?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, in real life? Do you buy clothes in real life?
Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys are laughing at everything I say.
Speaker 2: But I think I don't I get I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's a funny question.
Speaker 3: No, it's a great question. It's a great question. I
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: You don't so you you buy more clothes for the
Speaker 2: little legal legends guys than you do for yourself.
Speaker 3: That's a bit because I spend more time playing. But
Speaker 3: it's true.
Speaker 2: Goddamn you know that's uh live your life. I really have.
Speaker 2: I've been. I was last night. I was playing Paper Mario,
Speaker 2: and I had this genuine thought that I every time
Speaker 2: I'm sing this will happen when I'm playing video games,
Speaker 2: I'll think like I'm slowly dying. I try to, I
Speaker 2: try to think about the fact that it's not even
Speaker 2: I try to think about the fact that I'm slowly dying.
Speaker 2: And this is how this is like my life, This
Speaker 2: is the little bit of time. This is a little
Speaker 2: flash of time that I get to experience, you know, however,
Speaker 2: and it's not guaranteed even, but like, this is my
Speaker 2: little flash of time in the infinite, infinite timeline of
Speaker 2: everything that ever was and everything that will ever be.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm right here. It's a very special time.
Speaker 2: What am I doing with that time? Is it fucked
Speaker 2: up that I'm playing video games right now? I thought
Speaker 2: about that, and I was like, you know what, in
Speaker 2: that little flash of time, I'm fucking honored to be
Speaker 2: sitting here playing Paper Mario in the thousand Year Door.
Speaker 2: I used to like guilt myself a little bit, maybe
Speaker 2: going like I could be doing something else, But like, honestly,
Speaker 2: if this was the last thing, if someone came in
Speaker 2: my house and shot me in the fucking head and
Speaker 2: like like a little a bullet hole went through the
Speaker 2: switch in my head and I died, I could definitely
Speaker 2: be like, you know what, I got to do it.
Speaker 2: I did it. We did it. That was a good
Speaker 2: way to that we I regret nothing is I guess
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I don't regret the time. I'm honored
Speaker 2: to be playing Paper Mario in the thousand year door
Speaker 2: in this back of my existence.
Speaker 3: And I completely agree. Like I feel like I don't know,
Speaker 3: I've been like introspective about like life lately, and I
Speaker 3: think that like, yeah, you want to spend your time?
Speaker 3: How do you want to spend it? And like if
Speaker 3: that's what brings you to with then why the fuck not?
Speaker 3: Like there are plenty of.
Speaker 6: Other people out there not doing things that they don't enjoy,
Speaker 6: So like, spend your life.
Speaker 3: How you want to. And if paper Mario, which bangor
Speaker 3: gain by the way, Oh yeah, if you're like enjoying
Speaker 3: your time and you're not hurting anyone else, like fucking
Speaker 3: do whatever you want. But anyways, I think that's such
Speaker 3: a great thing doing what you enjoy And like if
Speaker 3: that is playing paper Mario, then hell yeah. If it's
Speaker 3: spending five thousand dollars on skins? Then do you.
Speaker 2: Do you enjoy? Do you enjoy doing finance?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Do you do you make do you make a lot
Speaker 2: of money? Do you make a lot of money doing it? Uh?
Speaker 3: To a lot of people? Probably then yes, yes, I
Speaker 3: would I do I make these of money? Like do
Speaker 3: I enjoy it?
Speaker 4: Do?
Speaker 3: I think like you have to get a degree to
Speaker 3: do what I do.
Speaker 2: No, are you You're not? Are you are you an
Speaker 2: Are you an investment banker?
Speaker 3: No? I'm not.
Speaker 2: Hm, hmmm, do you but do you do you? Do
Speaker 2: you fuck up the economy?
Speaker 3: Are you just trying to do what I do?
Speaker 2: I'm trying? Do you do something that like is like
Speaker 2: is not real, like hedge funds something I don't. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna let this is not a time for me
Speaker 2: to give social economic critiques because I don't know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. But I'm just curious.
Speaker 3: Uh No, I just I don't work in the I
Speaker 3: don't work in the money side. I guess this is
Speaker 3: what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2: I thought that that's what finance. I thought that's what
Speaker 2: finance means money, Like working.
Speaker 3: For investment firms doesn't particularly mean that you are a
Speaker 3: banker or like you can work on like many different
Speaker 3: sides of working at banking, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: There's like there's.
Speaker 3: Multiple places, so like you can work in HR. So
Speaker 3: like technically, maybe I'm being misleading saying that I work
Speaker 3: in finance, but like.
Speaker 2: Work do you work in HR?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: You work for you work for We're an investment firm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I just say I'm working man.
Speaker 2: Do you like do you serve? Do you serve lunch
Speaker 2: to people there?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I do not.
Speaker 4: I do not.
Speaker 3: I work in the more legal part.
Speaker 2: You're a lawyer. You're a lunch lady lawyer. Yes, that's cool.
Speaker 3: I served the the me loaf at lunch and.
Speaker 2: That's so all right? Wait, all right, So so when
Speaker 2: your investment bank does something illegal, you convince everyone that
Speaker 2: is not.
Speaker 3: Sorry, say that again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll spare you.
Speaker 3: Uh no, I just sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Do you ever do you have parties? Ever? Do you
Speaker 2: ever have parties?
Speaker 3: Yes? The finance and the finances parties are like a
Speaker 3: big part of it. We call it motion networking.
Speaker 2: What are the is it like? Is it like wolf?
Speaker 2: Are you guys doing kludes and ship?
Speaker 3: No? No, it's not like that at all. It's like way,
Speaker 3: it's way more boring than you actually like, we don't
Speaker 3: we don't do shit. Uh like sorry, the team that
Speaker 3: I work for doesn't do shit.
Speaker 7: People are work with, you know, they party a lot more,
Speaker 7: espcially the fact that they're dealing with large amounts of
Speaker 7: money and like clients of the business.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm debating whether or not we should end this
Speaker 2: call right here. If we should talk about finance for
Speaker 2: three more hours.
Speaker 3: I mean I would love to.
Speaker 2: Uh, let me ask the chat. Yeah, okay, let me
Speaker 2: ask the chat if they have any questions, and while
Speaker 2: they're writing questions, you can ask me your questions. What
Speaker 2: are your questions?
Speaker 3: I want to know if you so.
Speaker 6: I watched the documentary on you and like, oh sure,
Speaker 6: I'm a big fan.
Speaker 3: I listened to you like all the time, especially all
Speaker 3: my commute to work. Do you have any pets?
Speaker 2: Do I have any pets? Yeah, you sound like you're
Speaker 2: trying to get into my bank accounts. I have a dog?
Speaker 2: Well no, I mean no, No, that's not true. That's
Speaker 2: not true. I don't. I don't. I don't have I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't have a dog. But back home,
Speaker 2: my fan, my you know, parents have a dog and
Speaker 2: I consider that my dogs the dog I grew up with.
Speaker 3: Oh what type of dog?
Speaker 2: What's the other question?
Speaker 3: Okay, my girlfriend just wants to you.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, we'll ask her the questions from the chat.
Speaker 4: Hi, lyle Andre, excuse me. He put me on to
Speaker 4: your chat and I work in finance as well, so I.
Speaker 2: Can say, Hi, you guys are dual income? No, kids.
Speaker 4: Yeah, WE'RED whatever the fuck you call them?
Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, you guys? Are you guys? Are? Do you
Speaker 2: guys are D? I? N L O L Wait you're
Speaker 2: you're du dual income. No league of Legends. That's when
Speaker 2: you'll really be financial free.
Speaker 4: Have no idea you spent that much on league?
Speaker 2: You had no idea. You had no idea he spent
Speaker 2: that much on legal legends? What do you think about?
Speaker 2: What do you think about that spending?
Speaker 4: Good for him? I guess it like makes him happy.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I'm like, what the fuck
Speaker 4: you spent so much money? So that's why I fell.
Speaker 2: All right, I'll ask one more question from the chat. Uh,
Speaker 2: where did you guys go to college? Oh?
Speaker 4: We can't answer that, but we went somewhere that wasn't
Speaker 4: a huge like place where financial firms went, so we
Speaker 4: were the underdogs. I guess yeah, yeah, well scholarships.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else? Is there anything else you guys
Speaker 2: want to say to the people of the computer before
Speaker 2: we go? Andre?
Speaker 3: I think, just like be kind of people honestly, like, uh,
Speaker 3: we're all going through this should show together, So just
Speaker 3: like be kind of people, like you're gonna make like
Speaker 3: live a much happier license you just are nice to
Speaker 3: everyone that you meet. So anyways, I've learned that from
Speaker 3: like being in New York, like because there are quite
Speaker 3: a bit of rude people here.
Speaker 4: But like you.
Speaker 2: But I don't know you ever see a guy You
Speaker 2: ever see a rude person who actually looks like they're
Speaker 2: having a pretty good time, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: But I don't have you ever? Have you ever? I
Speaker 2: actually I yelled at an insurance company on the phone,
Speaker 2: uh the other day, and I actually that felt pretty good.
Speaker 2: So I'd be kind to people, but find a little.
Speaker 3: Scam, whether it a scam call or was it like
Speaker 3: just insurance.
Speaker 2: I'll talk to you soon, andre I thank you for calling.
Speaker 3: On the line.
Speaker 2: Making not really an expert.