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Speaker 1: The San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 3: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 2: I did it because I was foolish. Listen to How

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Speaker 2: to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast dot com, Apple podcast, Stitcher,

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Speaker 2: or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 4: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcastle's Guy, John Annick,

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Speaker 4: Kenny Florian. Oh my god, here're your hosts, John Annick

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Speaker 4: and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: Oh so much. Yes, hope you had a good weekend.

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Speaker 5: It is Monday. It is March twenty six, twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 5: Episode one nine of the Annik and Florian podcast starring

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Speaker 5: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 1: How's your Monday?

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Speaker 2: Kid?

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Speaker 1: You look at you?

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Speaker 3: How's it going?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing all right, man, I'm exhausted.

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Speaker 3: I had like, I don't know, maybe four hours sleep

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Speaker 3: something like that.

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Speaker 1: You know how that goes, dude?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Man, So yeah, it was one of those nights

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Speaker 3: she just wouldn't sleep. She slept a lot during the day.

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Speaker 3: It was my bad. So I kind of like, you know,

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Speaker 3: when she's quiet, it's like okay, and I just could

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Speaker 3: just gonna let her be, so she kind of slept

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Speaker 1: Dude, So my wife was I slept less than I

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Speaker 1: did so well. I mean, there are two schools of

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Speaker 5: I mean, you can say, don't wake a sleeping baby,

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Speaker 5: and the other school of thought is dad's always getting.

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Speaker 1: The blame, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: No, I mean, of course I was on watch when

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Speaker 5: But it's tricky man, right, Like, you got a sleeping

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Speaker 5: It's like, let the kids sleep. So I'm on your

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Speaker 5: side largely. Hopefully Clark didn't come down too hard on No.

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Speaker 1: No, I'll get it later though, I'll get it.

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Speaker 5: So that sleep deprivation is something else. And I know

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Speaker 5: You're a much much more the intellectual in this two

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Speaker 5: man equation here, and you're the more no you are,

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Speaker 5: You're the more well read guy, You're the much closer

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Speaker 5: to a renaissance man. I'm pretty simple, basic guy, uh,

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Speaker 5: But when it comes to sleep deprivation, right, it is

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Speaker 5: a form of torture. And I basically pull an all

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Speaker 5: it's probably against my better judgment, it's not great for

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Speaker 5: my health, but I have to unwine.

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Speaker 1: I am so wired during these shows.

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Speaker 5: I'm ramped up on green tea and coffee and Monster

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Speaker 5: I know that sleep deprivation world. And dude, I mean,

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Speaker 5: there's just nothing easy about three am, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: So I feel for you. Yeah, thank you man.

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Speaker 5: So ay Rocky DJJ too. And then you got the

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Speaker 5: school going strong. It looks like it's getting getting crowded

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Speaker 1: That's a good thing, it is, man, It's been awesome.

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Speaker 3: And you know, more importantly, you just have such a

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Speaker 3: And you know, now now the kids program is growing

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Speaker 3: You know, anytime you open up a business, it's pretty stressful. Uh. So,

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Speaker 1: So, and that that is your way. I mean, that

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Speaker 5: I think about the the Vito Roberto match, you know

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Speaker 1: And I fell in the pool with my clothes on.

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Speaker 5: This is the third time since I moved here, essentially sober,

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Speaker 5: that I've fallen in my pool with all my clothes on.

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Speaker 5: Subconsciously, I'm bringing up for this audience so that if

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Speaker 5: falling in this pool, like several times. So the first

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Speaker 5: Anakin Florian LLC bank card destroyed. I apologize for that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my brother was like, you got to put the

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Speaker 5: is Florida law, and I think California law too, Kenny.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you have a pool at the condo,

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Speaker 5: So I apologize to Jimmy and Allen for that. I mean,

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Speaker 5: And I know Jimmy listens to this podcast and I

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Speaker 5: So and of course my daughter saw it and again

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Speaker 5: So, no, you have showed this past weekend and no

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Speaker 5: Gives us time to talk extensively about UFC two twenty three,

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Speaker 5: Also fight announcements, a lot of headlines this week and

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Speaker 5: Mike Brown later today, massive two week stretch coming up

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Speaker 5: for him. He's got Joanna Young j check at UFC

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Speaker 5: two twenty three that's April seventh, and then April fourteenth,

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Speaker 5: Fox UFC Fight Night main event, Dustin Pourier against Justin Gaegee.

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Speaker 5: So wanted to pick Mike Brown's brain on a few things,

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Speaker 5: bring on Frankie Edgar here, Ken Flow and Tony Ferguson Cobibn,

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Speaker 5: Normago Medov. Now about twelve days away. It's very exciting,

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Speaker 1: F Ye, good Monday too, man. How are you?

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Speaker 6: I'm good? Yeah, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well, man, Thank you for asking.

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Speaker 5: You don't strike me as the type of guy who

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's all pretty much melted at this point. But

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Speaker 5: And I understand the jersey thing certainly would have a

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Speaker 5: hard time with the whole New York, New Jersey Boston thing,

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Speaker 1: So my love for you can only.

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Speaker 5: All right, Twenty three UFC fights to this point for

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Speaker 5: There he is Frankie Edgar with us on the Anakin

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Speaker 3: one mistake. He was winning that fight against Ortega. He

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Speaker 3: got caught with a big elbow. It's gonna happen. Like

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Speaker 3: Frankie said, you fight enough in this sport, you put

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Speaker 3: enough minutes in the octagon, you're gonna slip on a

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Speaker 3: banana peal here and there and not saying that's what

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Speaker 3: happened with Ortega.

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Speaker 1: Ortega created that opportunity.

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Speaker 3: But when you're fighting tough guy after tough guy, a

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Speaker 3: loss is gonna happen in this sport no matter how

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Speaker 3: good you are. So people love to erase everything you've

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Speaker 3: done after a loss. Yes, Frankie just lost. He's still

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Speaker 3: one of the best fighters to ever do it in

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Speaker 3: the octagon period, and.

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Speaker 5: It's easy to sit here as a non fighter, at

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Speaker 5: least for me, Kenny and say man, he was knocked

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Speaker 5: out violently, viciously by Brian Ortega a few short weeks ago.

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Speaker 5: But I think when you hear it from the horse's

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Speaker 5: mouth and he says, look, I mean I went and

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Speaker 5: saw a neurologist, right, I didn't have anything resembling a headache.

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Speaker 1: I was conscious the whole time.

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Speaker 5: Uh, it makes it gives me less pause, not that

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Speaker 5: anyone's looking for my stamp of approval, but it gives

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Speaker 5: me less pause when it comes to him making this

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Speaker 5: quick turn here in less than a month.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't agree more. And sometimes, you know, you get these

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Speaker 3: knockouts which are never could right. But there's knockouts, and

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Speaker 3: then there's really bad knockouts, or sometimes you just have

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Speaker 3: a crazy fight and that could be more damage than

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Speaker 3: an actual knockout. So right, you know, the fact of

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Speaker 3: the matter is Frankie has gone and seen a doctor.

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Speaker 1: He seems fine.

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Speaker 3: His coaches and his team have agreed to take this fight,

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Speaker 3: and it seems like he's healthy enough to do it.

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Speaker 3: So I wish him the best.

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Speaker 5: And I will say in closing on the Frankie Edgar

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Speaker 5: topic that a lot of my friends I don't just

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Speaker 5: bring that up to, you know, kiss his ass. A

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Speaker 5: lot of my friends love this guy and they don't

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Speaker 5: love this fight. It's not that they don't like the

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Speaker 5: quick turn, Kenny, but they they have championship aspirations for

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Speaker 5: their guy at one hundred and thirty five pounds, or

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Speaker 5: they don't see the upside of a Swanson rematch given

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Speaker 5: the way the first fight went back in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 5: But if you know, Frankie just doesn't give a shit

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Speaker 5: about who the opponent really is. And Swanson was the

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Speaker 5: only guy that they discussed. It shall be done. That's

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Speaker 5: the Komain coming up April twenty one. Of course, before

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Speaker 5: we get there, it is April seventh. It is a monster.

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Speaker 5: I got the fight card in front of me. The

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Speaker 5: voice over started today UFC two twenty three, Ferguson versus Kabib,

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Speaker 5: and I was bringing up the common opponents. Earlier, UFC

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Speaker 5: dot com did an interesting piece on the common opponents

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Speaker 5: that Tony Ferguson and Kabib Normago Medov have faced, and

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Speaker 5: I hope I have them all written down here Edson Barboza,

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Speaker 5: Abel Trujillo, Hafeo Dosanjos, Glason Tibau and Michael Johnson, who

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Speaker 5: was the subject for this piece at UFC dot com.

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Speaker 5: And he just sees one path to victory for Tony Ferguson,

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Speaker 5: and it doesn't at all involve the canvas. He believes

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Speaker 5: that af Ferguson is going to win this fight, not

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Speaker 5: that there wouldn't be submission opportunities on the ground. Can

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Speaker 5: he give in Kabib's pension for taking the fight there.

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Speaker 5: But MJ just believes that Ferguson's entire game plan is

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Speaker 5: rooted in separation and keeping the bear at arm's length.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that.

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Speaker 3: Kabib isn't the kind of guy that puts himself in

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Speaker 3: these bad situations.

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Speaker 1: He always has superior position.

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Speaker 3: His head and arms are and legs for that matter,

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Speaker 3: are always safe anytime he's on the mat, and he

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Speaker 3: keeps you busy defending his punches and elbows. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's non stop, so he really doesn't give you a

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Speaker 3: chance to start to set up many submissions for Tony.

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Speaker 3: If he can create some crazy scrambled sure, can he

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Speaker 3: submit him. Absolutely, Mistakes happened, Things happen, But I think, yeah,

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Speaker 3: his path to victory needs to happen on the feet.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's where he's gonna win this fight if

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Speaker 3: he can catch Habib with a knee with an elbow

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Speaker 3: coming in something crazy. And the thing is that's not

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Speaker 3: gonna be easy either. Habib the way that he shoots,

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Speaker 3: he typically doesn't open himself up to flying knees. He

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Speaker 3: doesn't level change so much to the point where he

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Speaker 3: puts himself in harm's way. He's very good at getting

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Speaker 3: to the bodylock, which is a much safer way to

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Speaker 3: take you down. Now, if you want to get takedowns

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Speaker 3: from that bodylock, you have to be very skillful, and

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Speaker 3: Habib is just that. He gets it takedowns from that

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Speaker 3: bodylock position, whether he's doing a sacrifice throw, or he's

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Speaker 3: doing a trip, or he's getting in on your legs

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Speaker 3: up against the cage. He's pressuring you NonStop. Tony Ferguson

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Speaker 3: has the conditioning to be able to deal with stuff

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Speaker 3: like that, but he's gonna have to be phenomenal on

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Speaker 3: the feed. And you know, for me, I think Tony

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Speaker 3: is dangerous on the feed. I think he hits pretty

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Speaker 3: hard his footwork though, you know, it's gonna be tough

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Speaker 3: for him to really avoid that charging bull. For me,

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Speaker 3: based on what I've seen, footwork wise, he's gonna have

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Speaker 3: to be a lot sharper for this one.

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Speaker 5: I wish you were were prepared to answer this question

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Speaker 5: that if you could pick a lightweight other than Connor

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Speaker 5: McGregor to try to Beatbib Normago Mattow, would Tony Ferguson

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Speaker 5: be the like If you had to train a lightweight

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Speaker 5: to beat Kabib, would Ferguson be your pick of the litter.

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Speaker 5: Would you like someone like Edson Barbozo whom we just saw,

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Speaker 5: or Kevin Lee. Michael Johnson says that this guy feels

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Speaker 5: like a light heavyweight, right. It's this combination of technique

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Speaker 5: and physicality. I think we talk a lot about the

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Speaker 5: brute strength Kenny, but a lot a lot of technique

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Speaker 5: goes into what Habib is trying to accomplish. And I mean,

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Speaker 5: if you're Ferguson, are you spending like this entire training

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Speaker 5: camp off of your back?

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Speaker 1: Like what I mean? What what's he doing?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 3: I think for for Tony, I think he has to

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Speaker 3: work on countershots coming in. Habib is susceptible on the feet.

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Speaker 3: We saw Michael Johnson catch him uh in their fight.

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Speaker 3: Tony's gonna have to be very sharp with his counter strikes.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna have to be very good with his wrestling.

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Speaker 3: If he can get Habib uncomfortable. What does that mean?

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Speaker 3: If he could stop those takedowns repeatedly and get Habib

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Speaker 3: to really uh, just make it a striking match again, Tony,

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Speaker 3: even though he's not the most technical kickbox in the world,

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Speaker 3: he is going to be way more comfortable on the

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Speaker 3: feet throwing down than Habibi is right, it's just conditioning wise.

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Speaker 3: We go to where we're comfortable. And no matter what

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Speaker 3: you know, when it comes to fight night, if you're

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Speaker 3: doing something that you're not you don't typically do in

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Speaker 3: your fight, uh, you're gonna get tired. No matter how

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Speaker 3: well or you know, how well conditioned you are during

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Speaker 3: the fight, how many rounds on the pads you can

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Speaker 3: do on fight night, it's a whole different monster. And

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Speaker 3: Habib really hasn't been out of his comfort zone too much.

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Speaker 3: He was a little bit early on in his career

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Speaker 3: against Tebow. I don't know if he was able to

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Speaker 3: take down t Bow in that fight. I think that

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Speaker 3: was one of the few fights he wasn't able to

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Speaker 3: hit a legitimate takedown and keep a guy down for

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Speaker 3: very long. But again, Glayson isn't that guy either. Glayson

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Speaker 3: is very much that guy. So you know, this is

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Speaker 3: an interesting fight. You know, to me, this reminds me

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Speaker 3: of the middleweight division, the boxing middleweight division back in

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Speaker 3: like the eighties. You know, when you had Haggler, when

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Speaker 3: you had Hearns, when you had Sugar Ray Leonard, you

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Speaker 3: had all these great middleweight boxers where anyone on any

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Speaker 3: given day could beat the other guy. This is a

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Speaker 3: high level mixed martial arts at its best. When you're

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Speaker 3: talking about the lightweight division. This is a fascinating matchup.

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Speaker 3: We've been won this for a very long time. This

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Speaker 3: is the fourth time they're trying to make this fight happen,

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Speaker 3: and I think we'll finally see it. I think both

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Speaker 3: these guys should stay healthy now for the next what.

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Speaker 9: Years?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I wish, I wish I could get a

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Speaker 5: betting line on this fight happening, right, because as soon

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Speaker 5: as I tweet the odds yesterday, get an avalanche of

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Speaker 5: replies saying, oh, where's the betting number on this fight

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Speaker 5: not happening. I will give anyone who's listening to this podcast,

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Speaker 5: I will give you even money odds. If you want

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Speaker 5: to bet me as to whether or not this fight happens,

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Speaker 5: you know, I'll give you two to one. You want

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Speaker 5: fucking two to one, I will give you two to

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Speaker 5: one odds that that fight happens on April seventh. I

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Speaker 5: am convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt that they

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Speaker 5: will both make weight on April sixth. It's happening. And

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Speaker 5: in terms of that history, by the way, Kenny, I

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Speaker 5: got it here for you. So December twenty fifteen was

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Speaker 5: the first time this fight was scheduled.

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Speaker 1: If my prep is accurate.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Gobby Ebnermaco Medow forced to pull out that that night,

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Speaker 5: so Edson Barboza fought Tony Ferguson. I remember getting in

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Speaker 5: the van right after the fight and I said to

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Speaker 5: Joe Silva, I was like, oh, title shot for Ferguson.

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Speaker 5: He's like, no, dude, I'm making Ferguson and Haabie. But

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Speaker 5: Joe Silva is gonna be so happy to see this

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Speaker 5: thing finally happen.

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Speaker 1: Scenario, every scenario has happened pretty much. Sorry, I'll let

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Speaker 1: you finish, but yeah, you're right, You're right.

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Speaker 5: And to that end, April twenty sixteen, long issue for

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Speaker 5: Tony Ferguson. So the fight went away. Maybe it was

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Speaker 5: Darryl Horchi or somebody who stepped up there. Then then

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Speaker 5: of course March fourth, twenty seventeen, UFC two oh nine

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Speaker 5: CUB even Normago MetOp hospitalized prior to even getting to

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Speaker 5: the scale.

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Speaker 1: So this is the fourth time it will be the charm.

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Speaker 5: I will take your action if somehow you think this

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Speaker 5: fight is not gonna happen, and if we get twenty

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Speaker 5: five minutes, Kenny, this is.

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Speaker 1: Gonna be insane.

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Speaker 5: And Ferguson's been finished one time, that was back in

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Speaker 5: two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 1: Exceedingly hard guy to put away.

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Speaker 5: And I think he might cut Kabib at some point

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Speaker 5: and stun him on the feet, but I think he's

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Speaker 5: gonna have to separate him from consciousness or cause a

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Speaker 5: really bad cut to get kabebe out of there. I

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Speaker 5: just can't wait to see it. And it's hard for

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Speaker 5: me to focus on anything else right now. Honestly, any

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Speaker 5: other fight, any other voiceover, I am just so tunnel

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Speaker 5: visioned when it comes to Ferguson and Thermago Meta man.

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Speaker 3: Well, look at the way that they fight. I mean,

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00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: look at Habib's last few fights. This guy just goes

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Speaker 3: over it, just runs people over. He's a steamroller. He's

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Speaker 3: non stop action. He's one of the few guys that

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Speaker 3: when the fight hits the mat, you're looking forward to it.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not because of his submissions, but because of how

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Speaker 3: active he stays. He stays on you, and he treats

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Speaker 3: you like you stole something from him. I mean, this guy,

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00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: it's like he has a vendetta against you. He's trying

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Speaker 3: to not beat you, He's trying to destroy you. He's

646
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Speaker 3: trying to pummel you inside the canvas. You know, he's

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Speaker 3: trying to bury you inside the octagon. And Tony Ferguson

648
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Speaker 3: is a guy who loves to fight. I mean, what

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Speaker 3: boring fight have you ever seen Tony Ferguson in. This

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Speaker 3: guy is non stop action himself. Whether he's going for

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Speaker 3: a knockout or going for a submission. This guy is

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Speaker 3: trying to finish you. These guys obviously do not like

653
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Speaker 3: each other. They have a great history. This is going

654
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 3: to be a classic man, no doubt about it.

655
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Speaker 5: Do you think it's fair to say that Normago Medov

656
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 5: made market improvements that we saw in the Edson Barboza fight?

657
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Speaker 1: Is that fair?

658
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 3: I think so? I mean, who could do that to

659
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 3: someone like Edson Barbosa. Barbosa's footwork is just tremendous, and

660
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: the fact that Habib just would not stop going at him,

661
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: and the way that he closed down that octagon on

662
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 3: him was just a thing of beauty. He stayed on

663
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 3: him with those takedowns. Barbosa just could not keep up

664
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: that pace and this thing. You know, what was really

665
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: surprising was the pace of Habib and the fact that

666
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: after fifteen minutes it looked like he just went for

667
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: a light jog. I mean he didn't. He didn't look

668
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: tired at all. Right, it was amazing. So this guy,

669
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: he's ready for a twenty five minute fight, no doubt

670
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: about it.

671
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 5: I would be deceased, you know, after life, even minutes

672
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 5: of that output. Literally, yeah, I mean I would be

673
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 5: I would no longer be among the living. So in

674
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 5: terms of Kabib's improvements, I think the masses were just

675
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 5: blown away by that Barboza fight. It led me to

676
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 5: call him the most dominant force in the game. But

677
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 5: for Tony Ferguson, we've only seen him once in sixteen months,

678
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 5: and he's nothing if not unpredictable. So isn't it a

679
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 5: little bit hard to quantify what type of Tony Ferguson

680
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 5: we're gonna see. We saw him against Kevin Lee in October,

681
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 5: but I mean, he's got longest winning streaking you have

682
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 5: see history, Kenny. But it's not like we've seen a

683
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 5: whole lot of him in the octagon over last year.

684
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: And a half right, and and for Tony again it

685
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: wasn't you know he makes mistakes during fights. He knows

686
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: how to come back though he knows how to win

687
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: him He's a slow starter. I don't know if he

688
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: wants to start slow against someone like Habib. I just

689
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 3: think that for Tony because he doesn't fight as often,

690
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: because he's not this muscled out guy. He goes on rhythm,

691
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 3: you know, the same thing against Doanels. Dos Angel started

692
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: out beautifully against him. Looked like dos Angels was going

693
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: to cruise to a win early in that first round.

694
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: Of course, we know what happened. Tony just got stronger.

695
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: Dos Angels faded and once Tony found his rhythm, man,

696
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: it was all Tony Ferguson all the time. So I'm

697
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: curious see how this fight goes down and how Habib

698
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: might adjust himself in this fight. As opposed to that

699
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 3: fight against Edson Barbosa. This is a twenty five minute

700
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: fight against a guy in Tony Ferguson, who also does

701
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 3: not get tired, another guy who he could be missing

702
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: a limb. He's gonna still want to fight. That's who

703
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: Tony Ferguson is. So and it's hard to also gauge

704
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: the skills of Tony Ferguson. When you're not seeing him

705
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: as often, he could be a completely different fighter. A

706
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: lot changes in a year, a lot of changes in

707
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Speaker 3: a year and a half, a lot of changes in

708
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Speaker 3: six months, you know what I mean. So he could

709
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 3: be working on a lot of different things, have some

710
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: new tricks up his sleeve for Habib that we just

711
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: don't know about at this point.

712
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 5: Well, you're getting Ken Flow's prediction next week. My only

713
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 5: prediction is that Kenny is going to predict the winner

714
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 5: to be by decision. I don't think Kenny's going to

715
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 5: pick a finish, but we'll see.

716
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Speaker 1: You never know. It's hard. It's hard when you have

717
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Speaker 1: a fight like this much intriguing.

718
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 5: And in terms of which lightweight, and I know we

719
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 5: got to move on and we might circle back to

720
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Speaker 5: two twenty three, But in terms of which lightweight you

721
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 5: would pick to try to beat Kabib Normago Matta, I

722
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 5: think you would probably pick Connor McGregor Kenny if that

723
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 5: was an option to you.

724
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Speaker 3: I think so, just because of his ability to catch

725
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 3: him on the feet. But do I think anybody is

726
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 3: going to submit Habib at one hundred and fifty five pounds.

727
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: Do I think I would have anyone as a favorite

728
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 3: against Habib Normogametto at this point, nah, right now, Son right?

729
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 3: And I think Habib might even be a favorite against Connor.

730
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: I think Tony Ferguson would be the betting underdog against

731
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: Connor McGregor. But if you talk about the other lightweight contenders,

732
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: Justin Gatchee, Dustin Pourier. If we're saying Connor McGregor is

733
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: not an active fighter right now, Tony Ferguson I think

734
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: would be the lightweight most people would.

735
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Speaker 1: Pick if we had to.

736
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Speaker 5: If you had to take a current fifty five pound

737
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 5: contender to beat Kabib, I would think Ferguson would be

738
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Speaker 5: the guy.

739
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Speaker 3: I mean, can you find a welterweight that could be

740
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: to be ba? I don't know, well, right, yeah, you

741
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: know what I mean. It's like, it's ridiculous. This guy's scary.

742
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: I guarantee you probably the guy at you know in

743
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 3: two division that tyronwent And this is why I always

744
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 3: give it to Tyrant. I always say the lightweight division

745
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 3: is the most difficult division. But I guarantee you if

746
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: we took everyone of the welterweight division, and then we

747
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: had Habib Dermongo metaf on the sideline kind of like

748
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: rubbing his fist getting ready to go. I don't know

749
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: if Tyron would choose Habibe. I think you choose someone else. Listen.

750
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: I don't think Tyron's scared of him. But I'm just

751
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: saying Habib is one of those guys. I don't think

752
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: a lot of people want to fight. Man.

753
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, how much would a wrestling match between

754
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 5: Daniel Cormier and Habib Normongo Metoff cost on pay per view?

755
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: Because I would I.

756
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: Would see that.

757
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see DC, you know what you got man.

758
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 5: They'd say Habib feels like a light heavyweight should be

759
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 5: right right in your wheelhouse.

760
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

761
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 5: So well that sort of segues us to the welterweight division.

762
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 5: A lot of fight announcements since we were last on

763
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 5: the air, and at least one major one Kenny that

764
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 5: has been confirmed by the UFC.

765
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: We'll get your thoughts on this.

766
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Speaker 5: Kamara, Usman, Santiago Ponds and Ebo the main event UFC's

767
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 5: first jount to Santiago, Chile nineteenth FS one UFC Fight Night.

768
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 5: This is a huge fight and I would think for

769
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 5: Kamaro Usman, this is what you're looking for, right short

770
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 5: of getting a championship opportunity to get a main event

771
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 5: on the road, You'll win this one.

772
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Speaker 1: I think it would be his twelfth or thirteenth in

773
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Speaker 1: a row. He would be hard to deny.

774
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 5: So big one here at Welterwait, and I think fitting

775
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 5: Lee Kenny, it's the main event in Chile coming up

776
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 5: here in two months.

777
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: This is a very big fight.

778
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: Obviously, Ponsinibio, who comes from Argentina fighting in a neighboring

779
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: country like Chile, I think makes a lot of sense

780
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: and it's a great fight. Usman's been looking for a

781
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: big name opponent, a guy who's ranked very high, and

782
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: obviously Pontsinibu is that guy. This is a huge opportunity

783
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 3: here for Uzman, who is coming off you know a

784
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 3: lot of people think as a lackluster win, and obviously

785
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: we knew that he was injured heading into that fight,

786
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: so listen, I think this is a tremendous opportunity for him,

787
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: not only to win, but to make a statement with

788
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: his win to go out there. If he goes out

789
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 3: there and dominates a guy Ponsonibio, then you know, you

790
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: can't duck him anymore. The UFC's gonna have to give

791
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: him a bigger fight. He's been asking for opportunities like this.

792
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 3: He finally gets it. Let's see what we could do

793
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: with it.

794
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 5: And for Ponzanibio, it's unfair that he hasn't talked about

795
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 5: more in the championship conversation. But like when we get

796
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 5: to Tyron Woodley, he has now said four names publicly

797
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 5: that he thinks his next opponent will come from, and

798
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 5: Santiago Ponzinibio wasn't one of them. And all these other

799
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 5: guys that we're going to talk about in this mix,

800
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 5: Hajafeel Dosanjos, Colby Covington, Usman and Darren Till are on

801
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 5: that list for Tyron Woodley. So we'll see Ponzanibio beats

802
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 5: Kamara Ousman, Hansman's first UFC lost, then he's also on

803
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 5: that short list. The other fight that is reported at

804
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 5: this time, I believe Bjpenn dot Com but not necessarily

805
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 5: formalized or confirmed by the UFC. Darren Till first show

806
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 5: in Liverpool, May twenty seventh. I believe Steven WonderBoy Thompson

807
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 5: this is the opponent that Darren Till wants for obvious reasons,

808
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 5: not just that he's a striker, but he's the number

809
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 5: one or two rank welterweight contender right now. That's the

810
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 5: fight Kenny Till, Thompson and you know Dana White, McMahon

811
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 5: or John Shabby.

812
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: They're trying to make it.

813
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 5: I think at this point all they need is Stephen

814
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 5: wonder Boy Thompson to sign on the dotted line.

815
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: Maybe they can sweeten the pod.

816
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 5: I don't know exactly what the hold up is, but uh,

817
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 5: you gotta think, Kenny, that's the fight that they are

818
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 5: jones and to make for May twenty seven.

819
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: Listen, it's a tremendous fight.

820
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 3: And I'm not comparing Darren Till here to to Josh

821
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 3: Emmett because Darren Till obviously a lot of people are

822
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 3: very excited about him. You know, Josh Emmett didn't have

823
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 3: that same kind of hype maybe around him that Darren

824
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: Till has. However, this is kind of this is a

825
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: risky fight for wonder Boy. Wonder Boy is sitting at

826
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: what the number two.

827
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: Probably what's that?

828
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it's not sign respect exactly exactly, and

829
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 3: there's a huge risk for Wonder Boy to take this

830
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: fight against a guy in Darren Till, who Yeah, I mean,

831
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 3: he looks like he's.

832
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: Above two hundred pounds in the office.

833
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: This guy is a huge mass He's huge, He's a

834
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 3: huge well and guess what, he's an excellent striker as well,

835
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: the guy who hits very hard. You know, as far

836
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: as striking goes, wonder Boy is as elite as elite

837
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: as it gets, not only in mixed martial arts, but

838
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: in kickboxing in general. The way this guy moves, his footwork,

839
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 3: his ability to find his range, the various weapons that

840
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 3: he has to catch you with. He's a tremendous fighter.

841
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 3: But this is a very dangerous fight for Darren Till,

842
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: a guy who likes to close that space down. He's

843
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 3: a self paw, you know. And he's just again a

844
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: guy that if he catches you, he's gonna put you

845
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 3: to sleep. Period. So I'm fascinated with this fight. I

846
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: think this is a risk for wonder Boy. If he

847
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 3: takes this fight, or if he's taking this fight, I

848
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 3: give him huge props.

849
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 5: And Darren Till just feels like the general public has

850
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 5: no idea how good he is, and no idea that

851
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 5: he has been doing this for fifteen years. He believes

852
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 5: he is the best pure striker in mixed martial arts,

853
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 5: and what better way to prove it than again Stephen

854
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 5: Wonner Boy Thompson, the guy who many believe it is

855
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 5: that guy right now, so hopefully that can get done.

856
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 5: It gets you excited about where we are at one

857
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy pounds as all of these big fights

858
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 5: come together, and that brings us to Halfayel Dosanos and

859
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 5: Colby Covington. And maybe this was the report from bjpen

860
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 5: dot com, but it seems as though Kenny, there are

861
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 5: some legs to a UFC interim welterweight championship fight at

862
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 5: UFC two twenty four, also in the month of May.

863
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 5: But earlier, between Halfayel Dosanjos and Colby Covington, we were

864
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 5: led to believe that the Dosanjos Woodley fight was all

865
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 5: but signed for Chicago in June, and now we're hearing

866
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 5: about this interim welterweight championship fight in May. So your

867
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 5: thoughts on RDA Covington and how that factors into this

868
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 5: welterweight mix.

869
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting again, if we were hearing that this

870
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: fight between RDA and Woodley was gonna happen in Chicago,

871
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: and now they're gonna make this RDA Covington fight. I

872
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: think the UFC is probably sending him a message like, hey,

873
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: you know, if you're healthy or if you're going to

874
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 3: be healthy, to prepare for that fight, take the fight,

875
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: you know, take the fight. What are you waiting for?

876
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 3: It's what champs do, and I completely see their side

877
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: to it. Do I love interim title fights? Absolutely not,

878
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: and I don't think it's warranted here in this case. Uh,

879
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 3: you know, for Woodley again, if he's making the excuse

880
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: that he is injured and he's not able to take

881
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 3: that fight, if that is his excuse, I think that's

882
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: the message that the UFC is setting. Well, if you're

883
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: if you're injured, then okay, we don't know when you're

884
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: gonna come back, you don't know, you don't know a date. Cool,

885
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 3: then we'll put an interim title fight on the line,

886
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: you know, basically sending him a message, which I get.

887
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 3: I get the business side of things. You know, Tyron

888
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: hasn't been the easiest guy to work with. I know

889
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: Tyron personally, he's a great guy, A great individual, one

890
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: of the best mixed martial arts fighters in the game period.

891
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 3: I have a lot of respect for Tyrant, but you

892
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 3: know he sticks to his guns as well, and you

893
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 3: know this is a business right now, they're kind of

894
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: in a little bit of a dispute, and as far

895
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: as Covington in our day, if that's the fight that happens,

896
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: I think it makes sense. I think both those guys

897
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: either want they want a belt. Let's put it that way.

898
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 3: Covington doesn't want to fight anybody unless it's for a belt,

899
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: and this kind of keeps everyone satisfied in RGA. I mean,

900
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: he deserves it. This guy has done everything. He went

901
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: and beat Robbie Lawler, a former champion, in tremendous fashion.

902
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: He deserves it as well. I think there's a fight

903
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 3: that makes sense.

904
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 5: And I appreciate your candor on the Tyron Woodley side

905
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 5: because I know you spent a lot of time working

906
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 5: with the guy. I've been to his house and for

907
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 5: Great Missouri, right and we can only call it like

908
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 5: we see it. But the other side of this is

909
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 5: what you were sort of getting to with Hafel Dosanjos

910
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 5: and Colby Covington. What we don't know at least right now,

911
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 5: is if those two guys would have accepted a fight

912
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 5: against the other were an interim title not on the line, right,

913
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 5: Because Halfael Dosanos beat Robbi Lawler decisively in a main

914
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 5: event on Fox. He was the backup plan at you

915
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 5: two fourteen if Damian Maya couldn't make the walk against

916
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 5: Tyron Woodley. Right, So for Hafeel Dosanjos to take the

917
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 5: Covington fight. I know people get super offended by interim titles,

918
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 5: and maybe I'm more of a fan of them than

919
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 5: the average man is. But to get RDA to go

920
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 5: to Rio Dijoneiro on May whatever for UFC two twenty

921
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 5: four like I would think for RDA, if a belt's

922
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 5: not on the line, he's not signing on the line.

923
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And it makes sense again, this is the

924
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: guy who has done everything he really has needed to

925
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 3: do in this division. I think he deserves that shot.

926
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 3: And you know, I think they're doing this interim belt

927
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: to appease Covington, to appease RDA and most likely send

928
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 3: a message to Tyron at the same time.

929
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 5: Right, And that's part of the business, and in a

930
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 5: lot of different angles of it, and Woodley certainly has

931
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 5: stuck to his guns, as you mentioned in the past, and.

932
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: It is paid off fruitfully.

933
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 6: Right.

934
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 5: He's been on big pay per views UFC two oh

935
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 5: five and UFC two fourteen, Right, So we'll see how

936
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 5: they choose to proceed there. But it's certainly the competitive

937
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 5: sports fan in the two of us doesn't love an

938
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 5: interim title fight inside of a year from Woodley's last

939
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 5: title defense, and certainly he's been one of the more

940
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 5: active UFC champions over the last eighteen months or so,

941
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 5: but he ultimately hasn't fought since July. And it's a

942
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 5: promotion that has forty one live events, and they need

943
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 5: main events, ideally of the championship variety a lot of

944
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 5: different you know, I used to talk to Joe Silvalla.

945
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 5: There are just so many people that you're trying to

946
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 5: please and handle in this equation television and everything else.

947
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: It's just not that easy.

948
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 5: And promotionally, I think you just got to give them

949
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 5: a little slack when it comes to some of these

950
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 5: interim championships.

951
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.

952
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 3: Yea, and I agree, I agree. Listen, at the end

953
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: of the day, they have to put big fights on

954
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: the table, and you know what, fans want to see

955
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: the fights. The fans want to see the fights, and

956
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: the UFC is trying to deliver them. I totally get that,

957
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 3: and I think if we can go back in time

958
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: a little bit, let's go back to a fighter like

959
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: a George Saint Pierre, who you know, fought a lot

960
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: of these guys that maybe people didn't you know, think,

961
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, it wasn't the same, uh

962
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: kind of situation, but GSP fought them all. You know,

963
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: GSP wasn't out there saying, well, I don't want to

964
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 3: fight this guy because I don't think it's gonna be

965
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: a big pay per view draw, you know what I mean.

966
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 3: Now everyone's about the pay per view draw. What's gonna

967
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: bring you know, bring me the most amount of money?

968
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: And I get that it is a business, but you

969
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 3: have to look at the other side of things as well,

970
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 3: that the UFC is trying to deliver these big fights,

971
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: trying to deliver a lot of these big events. And

972
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: you know, now we're in an age where no one

973
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: wants to no one wants to take the fight. Everyone's

974
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: kind of scared to take a certain fight because I

975
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: don't know. I think there's very few people that are

976
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 3: able to really call for the fights that they actually want,

977
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

978
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: And that I don't know, And there's no You're you

979
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: make a lot of good points.

980
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 5: And there's also a strategic part of this too, right,

981
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 5: Like if your tyrant would and you get all these

982
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 5: welterweights to compete in the month of May in five

983
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 5: round fights, right, Darren Till, Kamara, Ousman, Steven Warner, Boy Thompson, Golby, Covington,

984
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 5: all failed Dosanjos, the Forgotten Man, Santiago Ponzinibio. And then

985
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 5: you say, all right, you know June, July, August, you know,

986
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 5: August September. Woodley put the belt on the line, So

987
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 5: those guys would have to have back to back championship

988
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 5: traded camps, right, And I mean, don't you think for

989
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 5: dos Ajos he'd rather fight Woodley on this timeline right

990
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 5: now than have to prep for Covington and then three

991
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 5: months later fight Tyvern Woodley. So there's so many different

992
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 5: angles that go into all of it.

993
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: No, And and let's talk about you know, some of

994
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: the old school fighters like Frank Jeger, who we just

995
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 3: talked to you know, he did take that risk. He

996
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: didn't have to fight Brian Ortega. That Max Holloway fight

997
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 3: was in the bag already for him. He took the

998
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: risk against Ortega and he lost, unfortunately. So now he's

999
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: not gonna get that shot against Max Holloway for his

1000
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 3: next one. So again, I totally get the risk reward thing.

1001
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: It is not an easy thing. I've been there.

1002
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: It's there's a lot of tough decisions on both sides here.

1003
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,480
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Speaker 1: All Right, it's a one fight flow that is not happening. TJ.

1027
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 5: Dillashaw Demetrius Johnson, and you can count me among the disappointed.

1028
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 5: Dwayne bang Ludwig had some good things to say on

1029
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 5: the On the MMA Hour last week about why this

1030
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 5: fight had such appeal for him.

1031
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 3: He sees TJ.

1032
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 5: Dillashaw as this all time great, greatest band of weight

1033
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 5: of all time. He sees Demetrius Johnson similarly at one

1034
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty five pounds, and I don't know exactly

1035
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 5: why this didn't come together. Perhaps DJ's demands were too

1036
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 5: great financially. He did have shoulder surgery in January, so

1037
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 5: perhaps the calendar didn't align. But Ketny, I'm disappointed, man.

1038
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 5: I thought this fight was gonna happen maybe July seventh,

1039
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 5: And if you take Dana White at his word, it

1040
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 5: doesn't seem like this one's going to go down.

1041
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 3: Geez.

1042
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: You know again, this is a fight that I was

1043
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: looking forward to. Obviously, we had TJ.

1044
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 3: Dillashaw on the show, and you know, it seemed like

1045
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: it was going to happen. Now Here's the thing. Is

1046
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: this one of those Is this one of these fights

1047
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: that isn't gonna happen like Bisping in GSP wasn't gonna happen,

1048
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I don't know, Like, is

1049
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 3: this a negotiating tactic of saying, hey, this is this

1050
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: is now off the table to get one of these

1051
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 3: fighters to come back and go, okay, listen, let's do it.

1052
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know, but I'm sure that a

1053
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 3: lot of people are frustrated. You know, myself included that

1054
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: this fight isn't gonna happen. Super fights are rare super

1055
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: fights are rare, and the UFC had an opportunity, I think,

1056
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 3: to put on a couple of super fights. We had

1057
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: this step Michiic Daniel Cormier fight, like that's the that's

1058
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: the date I believe that they were looking at, and

1059
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 3: to have another kind of super fight with Dilla Shaw

1060
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 3: and Demetrius Johnson and possible Amanda Noon as Cyborg fight.

1061
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: You know, they really could have delivered a blockbuster main car, right,

1062
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: you know, with those three title fights, which are truly

1063
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: super fights, which we haven't really seen in the UFC.

1064
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 3: I think there's only been really a couple of those.

1065
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: You know, there was the GSP BJ Penn. I think

1066
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: that was a super fight as far as you know,

1067
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: guys coming together from two different way classes that everybody

1068
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: wanted to see, Guys that people thought were you know,

1069
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: goat candidates, uh you know in Carroll Lexis, Well, that's huge, huge,

1070
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 3: of course that was you know, obviously when we wanted

1071
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 3: to see the Anderson Silva GSP fight for a long time,

1072
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 3: that didn't come to fruition.

1073
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: So it's tough to put these fights together.

1074
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: And again, I think this is just more of a

1075
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: business decision on the parts of the fighters and the UFC,

1076
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 3: and it just wasn't able to make it happen at

1077
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 3: this time. I think it's a fight that I think

1078
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: will happen, and I hope it does happen. I hope

1079
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: it happens in the near future. Maybe they could pull

1080
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: this back together. Man who knows.

1081
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 5: It wouldn't seem like there is and it wouldn't seem

1082
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 5: like we would see Dimitrius Johnson before July anyway, So

1083
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 5: who knows if this is just public posturing or what

1084
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 5: it is. But in terms of a next opponent for TJ,

1085
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 5: Dillon Kenny, and again we had him on the show recently,

1086
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 5: you heard his thoughts on Cody Garbrandt and Dominic Cruz,

1087
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 5: and TJ said, it's not as though the Garbrandt rematch

1088
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 5: doesn't have value or legs. The timing wasn't going to

1089
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 5: be right for us to do it back at UFC

1090
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 5: two to twenty two earlier this month, Jimmy Rivera has

1091
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 5: a fight on June first, already scheduled, which is two

1092
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 5: and a half months away. So here's this guy who's

1093
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 5: won like thirty eight fights in a row and he

1094
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 5: has that main event against Marlon But Ice. And if

1095
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 5: Jimmy Rivera is going to be the next guy for

1096
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 5: Dila Shaw, that's not going to be until late in

1097
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 5: the year, right, So that's gonna be what amounts to

1098
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 5: a year long layoff for TJ.

1099
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: Dillashaw. If not longer, no longer.

1100
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 5: So I don't know, Flow, I mean, do you think

1101
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 5: it's gonna be Garbrandt or Cruz now for Dila Shaw?

1102
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 3: Like, if it's not.

1103
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 5: DJ, I gotta think they want to make a bantamway

1104
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 5: championship fight and those will be the two names that

1105
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 5: will be out there, I would think.

1106
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: So. I think Garbret and Cruz are the candidates right

1107
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: now that make the most sense timing wise. Obviously, you

1108
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: just mentioned what Jimmy Vera has coming up June first,

1109
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: and geez, I mean that that's an amazing fight as well, Maria,

1110
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: So are you kidding me? And Rivera? You know, in

1111
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 3: some instances, I wonder if the UFC is saying, listen,

1112
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 3: you know, for TJ, you still have unfinished business at

1113
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty five pounds. Look at all the

1114
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: contenders that are out there. There's still a lot of

1115
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 3: great fights to one hundred and thirty five pounds. The

1116
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 3: Garberent rematch, I think a lot of people would like

1117
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: to see happen. I know del Shaw won that fight

1118
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: early in the second round, but I think it's a

1119
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 3: fight that still makes a lot of sense. I could

1120
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: watch those guys fight all day, and the hype leading

1121
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: up to it is tremendous. Dominic Cruz obviously, I think TJ.

1122
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 3: Dilshaw would probably want revenge. It seemed like he kind

1123
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: of didn't want that fight right in some ways. I

1124
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 3: think it's because it's a very difficult fight for him.

1125
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 3: Any time you fight at Domina Cruz, it's going to

1126
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: be tricky. Okay, You're not going to go out there

1127
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 3: and just it's not an easy game plan for someone

1128
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: like Dominic Cruz. So I think that's probably what has TJ.

1129
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: Delshaw a little hesitant. And of course, you know, Dominic

1130
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 3: lost his last fight, sof in his mind he's like, yeah,

1131
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 3: what do I have to gain it? But I mean

1132
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: Dominic beat him in that first round. I know it

1133
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: was a close fight. It really could have gone either way.

1134
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 3: I thought they were going to give the nod to TJ. Maybe,

1135
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 3: but it was a close, close fight, and I think

1136
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: for TJ. You got to be thinking, listen, I want revenge.

1137
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 3: I want to show that I can beat Dominio, right,

1138
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: and it seems like he doesn't want that fight. But

1139
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 3: there are a lot of great fights in that division,

1140
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 3: Marias and Rivera going at it, and he still has,

1141
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: you know, to fight. The winner of that would be

1142
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 3: huge and interesting. So you know, there's no shortage of

1143
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 3: fights at one hundred and thirty five pounds. There are

1144
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 3: shortage of fights at one hundred and twenty five pounds.

1145
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: I mean, who does DJ fight next if he doesn't

1146
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 3: fight dil Shaw? Yeah, no, who does the question?

1147
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 5: I think Henry Shuto would probably be the guy. I mean,

1148
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 5: Joseph Benavitez and Sergio Pettis have a date this summer,

1149
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 5: but Benavidez certainly is closer to a title fight than Pettis,

1150
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 5: who is now coming off that loss to Sahudo. But

1151
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 5: you're right, I mean, I think that's also a big

1152
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 5: picture part of the issue, right, is that the fight

1153
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 5: for DJ right now I think is TJ. And unfortunately,

1154
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 5: despite that timing seeming to be good, it doesn't seem

1155
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 5: like it's going to happen. Well, we'll see a lot

1156
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 5: of interesting possibilities. I remember I requested to sit down

1157
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 5: with Big John McCarthy because I was so convinced, well

1158
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 5: not so convinced, but I was convinced that Dilla Shaw

1159
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 5: had beaten Domina Cruz in that fight, and I thought

1160
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 5: Carlos Knda beat Robbi Lawler at UFC one ninety five.

1161
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 5: So I asked to meet with John McCarthy so he

1162
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 5: could explain to me why I was wrong on both accounts,

1163
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 5: and he did so. He said that Cruz and Lawla

1164
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 5: respectively won those two fights. But yeah, it's up to

1165
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 5: But that's the thing is this, And I respect Big

1166
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 5: John McCarthy.

1167
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: Now, the guy knows his stuff, you know, upside down,

1168
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 3: left and right, backwards and forwards. But it's still an

1169
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 3: opinion at the end of the day.

1170
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 5: Yes, you know what I mean, there's no so it's yeah, right,

1171
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 5: And you know me like when I when there's a

1172
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 5: close fight, there are two or three that I seek

1173
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 5: out in yours foremost among them.

1174
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: Right, Am I crazy and thinking that Carlos Knda won

1175
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: that fight?

1176
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 3: But uh, yeah no. And just to go back to

1177
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 3: the Sejudo Demetrius Johnson thing. Oh yeah, you know, I

1178
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: think that's a great fight. But if if Dimitrius Johnson

1179
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 3: wants more money, right, if he wants more money, he

1180
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 3: has the choice of fighting Dill Shaw, which is going

1181
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 3: to bring him more money. I think, you know, I

1182
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 3: don't know what the base salary is, but if it

1183
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 3: goes to pay per view, I would think they would

1184
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 3: have a piece of the pie, right, I would assume, right, right,

1185
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: that's gonna bring him a lot more money than a

1186
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 3: rematch against Henry Sejudo.

1187
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Yeah, Now I don't know. I don't know

1188
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: what the whole is.

1189
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 5: It's if I had to guess, it's that the demands

1190
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 5: for the guaranteed money from from DJ and or TJ

1191
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 5: is not dovetailing with what the UFC's bottom line is

1192
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 5: for that fight. So we shall see if it plays out.

1193
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 5: And of course too when it comes to serving masters,

1194
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 5: right Nunez Cyborg for July. Sure, but we've got this

1195
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 5: master known as UFC two twenty four coming up on

1196
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 5: May twelfth that needed a headliner, and a man of

1197
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 5: nuns is going to do it against Rakel Pennington there

1198
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 5: So in terms of the money, Dustin Pourier had.

1199
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: An interesting quote.

1200
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 5: I think MMA Junkie dot Com had the piece, and

1201
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 5: here's the quote from Pooria. I don't know how many

1202
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 5: contracts I've had with the UFC, but this is my

1203
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 5: first one with championship language in it. We have a

1204
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 5: plan figured out for when I win the belt, and

1205
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 5: it's in my contract. This is my first contract with

1206
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 5: that in it. And I've had a lot of contracts

1207
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 5: with the UFC. This is the closest I've ever come

1208
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 5: to being a world champion, and everything is happening like clockwork,

1209
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 5: like it's supposed to. Kenny, you three times fought for

1210
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 5: a USC championship, so obviously a lot of your contracts

1211
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 5: had championship language in it. Why is Pourier getting championship

1212
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 5: language now? Is it because he got to a certain ranking.

1213
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 5: I know how highly the promotion thinks of him. But

1214
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 5: while all of a sudden now and not maybe in

1215
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 5: the previous contract when he was still entrenched. I mean,

1216
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 5: this is guy who had a fight against Connor McGregor.

1217
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 5: Why now do you think for Dustin to get that

1218
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,439
Speaker 5: type of contract language any idea?

1219
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: Well, I would say, yeah, it definitely has something to

1220
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 3: do with his ranking. I think it has to do

1221
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: with the fact that the UFC probably believes that he

1222
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 3: could fight for the belt in the future and become

1223
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 3: a champion in the future. And I think that, you know,

1224
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: when I had that in my contract, that was very

1225
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 3: motivating to me. That made me work that much harder

1226
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: that there is a goal now that there is you know,

1227
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: also just the fact that there's a monetary compensation that

1228
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 3: goes with becoming a champion now it takes you to

1229
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 3: a whole different level. It doesn't guarantee you that money, right,

1230
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 3: I mean, he still needs to be a belt holder

1231
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 3: in order to probably get perhaps a pay per view

1232
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 3: percentage that they were probably talking about in his contract.

1233
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 3: So but either way, it's very motivating and it's very

1234
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: rewarding as well that the organization sees you in that

1235
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 3: light that you have the opportunity to possibly get that,

1236
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 3: and I think that's great news for Dustin Man. Yeah,

1237
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 3: he deserves it.

1238
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 5: He's headlined a lot for the UFC against the Korean

1239
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 5: zombie Michael Johnson recently of course against Anthony Showtime Pettis,

1240
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 5: and you know, he when he was on our show,

1241
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 5: as I mentioned, he said, Ibnrmaco Matdov is the toughest

1242
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 5: fight for him at one hundred and fifty five pounds.

1243
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 5: You know, maybe Poorie is a guy you'd throw into

1244
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 5: that mix if you had to pick someone to be be.

1245
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 5: But I'm not sure, at least right now, that you

1246
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 5: would pick him over Tony Ferguson. All right, I'm breaking

1247
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 5: a promise to myself. There were two things I was

1248
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 5: not going to talk about today, and one of them

1249
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 5: was Connor McGregor and Floyd Mayweather.

1250
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: Huh.

1251
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 5: So I did a lot of media last week, and

1252
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 5: a lot of it was because of the McGregor Mayweather

1253
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 5: talk and Floyd's seeming desire now to compete in a

1254
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 5: mixed martial arts setting. I can't even say this without

1255
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 5: a sarcastic undertone, but I know you rubbed shoulders with

1256
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 5: t Would last week. Who is reportedly training Floyd? Before

1257
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 5: I leave to go, put every dollar I own on

1258
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 5: Connor McGregor to beat Floyd Mayweather in a mixed martial

1259
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 5: arts fight? Like, what is Tyron telling?

1260
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 3: What?

1261
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: Bold face? Lies? Is he telling me to your face?

1262
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 6: Right?

1263
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 3: Well, listen, I really tried to get a gauge on

1264
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 3: Tyron and his body language and what he was saying. Huh,

1265
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 3: And he was serious man, He's like, no, He's like,

1266
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 3: I'm telling you. He's like, you think whatever you want.

1267
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 3: He's like, you think whatever you want. He's like, I'm

1268
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 3: telling you that I am going to train him for

1269
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 3: a mixed martial arts fight. It could be Connor, could

1270
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 3: be someone else. I don't know. It's crazy, dude, This

1271
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 3: is craziness. It's crazy. But listen, you know we know

1272
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 3: the result of this, like we knew the result of

1273
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 3: the boxing match, right, but we're still gonna watch. We're

1274
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 3: still gonna watch. And you know, I keep saying, you

1275
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 3: know what, what's the motivation for for Mayweather? Do it

1276
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 3: and listen for me. If if I have one hundred

1277
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 3: million in the bank, I'm good, John, You'll never make

1278
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: You'll never talk to me again. You'll never talk to me.

1279
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: I'll block I'll block your number, dude, I will block

1280
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 3: your now, you'll never talk to me.

1281
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: I think you block it on the weekend. No, but listen, Yeah,

1282
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: I have a one hundred million in the bank.

1283
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 3: I'm good. I don't need any more. Man, I got

1284
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 3: ten million of the bank. I'm fine. But some people

1285
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 3: they want more. And there's three hundred million reasons or

1286
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 3: more why Mayweather would come back.

1287
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 10: You know that.

1288
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 3: That's how much he made in that first fight. If

1289
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 3: the if the numbers are right, and the UFC says, hey, listen,

1290
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 3: you can make the same amount of money that you

1291
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 3: made in that boxing fight. You can make three hundred million,

1292
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: whatever it is. Connor walks away with one hundred million.

1293
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: You know, the UFC does over two million pay per

1294
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 3: view buys. Again, why wouldn't you do it? There's a

1295
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 3: lot of money on the table.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't, oh man, I don't even know. Trying

1297
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: not to go too far down a road here.

1298
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, But so when Connor McGregor and Floyd Mayweather competed

1299
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 5: in a boxing ring, I certainly gave Connor McGregor a

1300
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 5: puncher's chance, right, I mean, I you know, I bet

1301
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 5: on the guy, I think in rounds one through four. Okay,

1302
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 5: So shame on me, right, I largely I was very

1303
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 5: wrong about how that fight played out. But did you

1304
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 5: give Connor McGregor at least a puncher's chance going in

1305
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 5: there against Floyd Mayweather?

1306
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1307
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 3: I know, I listen, I think that I understood that.

1308
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 3: You know, Connor is an amazing individual who you know,

1309
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 3: turns his visions into reality. I didn't think he'd be

1310
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 3: able to do it against I like Mayweather because of this,

1311
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 3: because listen, there's a lot of guys that punch very

1312
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 3: hard as professional boxers, that weigh one hundred and fifty

1313
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 3: four pounds, harder than harder than Connor, and they weren't

1314
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 3: able to really rattle Mayweather, not even rattle them. So

1315
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 3: for that reason, I didn't, you know, think that Connor

1316
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 3: could could win. I thought it was a possible. There's

1317
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 3: always a possibility it's a fight. Well, in the same way,

1318
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: it's a possibility that Mayweather with four ounce gloves could

1319
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 3: catch Connor. You know, Connor gets cocky, he kind of

1320
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 3: goes out to frame touches that lead boom. Mayweather lands

1321
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 3: one and it's out. However, right, Connor just goes out,

1322
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 3: he throws a few kicks, he takes him down, and

1323
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 3: he and he basically gives a little taste to Mayweather

1324
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 3: of what it's like to be on the octagon floors.

1325
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: And he beats him, you know, whether he pounds them

1326
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: out or he submits him.

1327
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 3: Either way, listen, this could be one of those things

1328
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 3: where listen, I fought you, I fought you in boxing.

1329
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 3: That's the best thing that you do. You come and

1330
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 3: do what I do. Yeah, let's make it even. Let's

1331
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 3: make it fair. I went out and basically put my

1332
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 3: ego aside and did your craft. Now come over to mine,

1333
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 3: come over to my world. Let's make it even.

1334
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: Ugh, it's just disgusting though.

1335
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 5: I mean, like, I have a hard time being respectful

1336
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 5: when I'm doing these interviews, because like Connor is still

1337
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 5: he's a kickboxer.

1338
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: He's a striker, right.

1339
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: Like listen Man, Mayweather's got a seven out of ten

1340
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 3: in wrestling.

1341
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: Okay, he rated his wrestling a seven. Night I forgot,

1342
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: I forgot. I wonder what his ranking is in EA

1343
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: Sports UFC three with his wrestling.

1344
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 5: I guess I just I don't under like, I just

1345
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 5: don't quite understand the puncher's chance for Floyd. If Connor

1346
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 5: approaches this as a mixed martial arts contest, and that's

1347
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 5: not even getting into the weight and the physicality, right, Like, yes,

1348
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 5: if you make Connor McGregor cut down to one hundred

1349
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 5: and forty five or one hundred and forty six pounds

1350
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 5: to fight Floyd Mayweather in MMA, then maybe Floyd, in

1351
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 5: some freak scenario, catches him with four ounce clubs. And

1352
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to denigrate Floyd Mayweather, but it's not

1353
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 5: as though he's twenty eight years old either. I just

1354
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 5: don't understan And if Connor were to approach this like

1355
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 5: an MMA fight and take the path of least resistance,

1356
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 5: I mean, maybe you play around at distance a little bit,

1357
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 5: but you find a way to take the fighter down,

1358
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 5: You give him a scar for life with an elbow,

1359
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 5: and you ruin the man. Like Connor is younger, he's stronger,

1360
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 5: he's in his fighting prime. I don't I don't understand

1361
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 5: why why Vegas is even taking action on these two

1362
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 5: competing in MMA, Kenny.

1363
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 3: I just don't.

1364
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: I don't see it. I don't understand.

1365
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 3: Well, listen, apparently apparently Mayweather just got in a fight

1366
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 3: with t I in Vegas, so you might as well

1367
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 3: get paid for it. I mean they were at a

1368
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 3: strip joint or something, and I guess he hit t

1369
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 3: I or I don't know, that's what the reports are.

1370
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 3: You might as well get paid for it, you know,

1371
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,919
Speaker 3: try to hit Connor in an octagon and get paid

1372
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 3: a couple hundred million.

1373
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 5: Well, I see, and hopefully the listeners that didn't want

1374
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 5: to hear that were able to at least fast forward

1375
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 5: a little bit. But nationally, I can assure you they

1376
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 5: are talking about this and.

1377
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: He's applying for a license.

1378
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 3: Is that right, John? The Mayweather's supposedly applying for a license,

1379
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 3: So there's been a process that has been started.

1380
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy man, I don't know.

1381
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 5: I just feel like Connor McGregor's MMA prime is so

1382
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 5: precious and to delay it any further with this side

1383
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 5: show is just insanity. And I brought it up because

1384
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 5: you had some time with Tyron Woodley, who, if I'm

1385
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 5: keeping track, has now told you Saved north Cut is

1386
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 5: going to be a UFC champion and that that could.

1387
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 5: I mean, I give that a lot more right legs

1388
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 5: than Floyd Mayweather getting in there with Connor McGregor. And

1389
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 5: it's it's so much Randy cotur James Tony to me,

1390
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 5: right like, as a mixed martial arts fan first and

1391
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 5: foremost now a former big boxing fan that I am,

1392
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 5: I want it so badly for Randy to smash James

1393
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 5: Tony and this would just take it to a completely

1394
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 5: different level. And I have had great personal interactions with

1395
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 5: Floyd Mayweather. I mean, I got the money team, Okay,

1396
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 5: right here, like I'm a fan, like I'm a definite

1397
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 5: Floyd Mayweather fan, but I don't want him anywhere near

1398
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 5: that octagon. I don't have this great desire to call

1399
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 5: that fight. And if it does happen, you know, I

1400
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 5: really hope that Connor can send a message John, behalf

1401
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 5: of this sport, not on like Randy did that. This

1402
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 5: is not your element and we're gonna take you down.

1403
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 5: We're gonna pound you out, We're gonna give you a

1404
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 5: scarf for life and enjoy your money.

1405
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 3: You know.

1406
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: Connor is laughing right now from his castle in Ireland.

1407
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, hopefully hopefully he did like my Burger king tweet,

1408
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 5: so I appreciated that spicy crispy chickens.

1409
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to Ray Long.

1410
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 4: It's now time for the Ray Long Minute.

1411
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 3: Now, I'm gonna punch a hole in this.

1412
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 4: That's what i want, the Ray Long Minute, John and

1413
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 4: Kenny Florian podcast.

1414
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 5: All right, so Raymond Peter Longo now joins us. What's

1415
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 5: all over your hand? You're still all taped up? Ray?

1416
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: I mean Jesus, I.

1417
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 8: Got these guys are breaking me down, me and so whatever,

1418
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 8: I will withstand the pain and get everybody.

1419
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 7: It's not easy.

1420
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: You know you told me you shaved, it doesn't look

1421
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: like you shaved.

1422
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 7: Well, no, that was I shaved a couple of days ago.

1423
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 7: I guess okay, I mean I didn't say shape today

1424
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 7: and just.

1425
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: Okay, I got you.

1426
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 3: Man.

1427
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel bad talking about the video for

1428
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 5: our for our audio only people, but your.

1429
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: Hair is like all over the ful let us, let us,

1430
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: let us, let us.

1431
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 7: I don't know what to do. Listen at this stage

1432
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 7: of the game. I'm happy to have hair. I don't

1433
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 7: care where.

1434
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Well, if you don't have hair, just go

1435
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 5: to four Hymns dot com. So you were burning the

1436
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 5: midnight oil with with Al Jamaine Sterling last night. He's

1437
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 5: got Brett John's coming up April twenty one in Atlantic City.

1438
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 5: I mean, this guy always looks good, but uh, he

1439
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 5: just I don't know. Physically, he just like looks like

1440
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 5: he's coming into his body looks thicker to me.

1441
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 7: Oh man, I got to he's just he's a beast.

1442
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 6: Man.

1443
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 8: I think we're going to see a good fight at

1444
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 8: Al Joe. We had a great night last night. And yeah,

1445
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 8: physically I think he's well, he's a specimen. And this

1446
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 8: is a guy not on any drugs, just so everybody knows. Right,

1447
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 8: you know, we got the news about more again, and

1448
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 8: that kind of sucks, man that that guy's out of

1449
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 8: the fight. Both his name Augusto Mendez. I mean, I

1450
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 8: really just don't even know what's going on. So it's

1451
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 8: like two times in a row. It's hitting home. And

1452
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 8: I did an interview with Newsday on Saturday night and

1453
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 8: I was I had an epiphany, and this is we're

1454
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 8: gonna solve this problem, and this is how we solve it. Like, yeah, look,

1455
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 8: the UFC, Kenny, you're gonna like this. The UFC likes

1456
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 8: to control everything. And now I got ten pairs of sneakers.

1457
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 7: Every five day. They put money into the performance center.

1458
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 7: This is what they do.

1459
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 8: They start a supplement company. They manufacture their own supplements.

1460
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 8: These are the only supplements you could use. That way,

1461
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 8: it's controlled. We take that off the table. We take

1462
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 8: it off the table. This is the only supplements. What

1463
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 8: do you want, protein, powder, branch, chain of binos, whatever

1464
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 8: you want, we're gonna make it. We're gonna make it

1465
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 8: in a clean environment. Put Nevinski, let them oversee it.

1466
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 8: You solve that problem. You take that off the table. Now,

1467
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 8: there's no more tape.

1468
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: The supplements simple, Kenny, Kenny, what do you think about that?

1469
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 5: Fighters obviously have their particular needs and dietary and otherwise.

1470
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 3: What do you think about that?

1471
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, but a supplement, if a supplement is good, A

1472
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 8: supplement is good. You can't tell me that, you know,

1473
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 8: I got to use this supplement over that supplement. You know,

1474
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 8: if you have a good company and they'll put the

1475
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 8: time and the money into doing it the right way,

1476
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 8: I think you take that whole supplement tainted supplement off

1477
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 8: the table because but here another guy, I want to

1478
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 8: clear my name.

1479
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 7: I want to do that.

1480
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 8: They could test us, all three of us, one hundred

1481
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 8: times in a row. Nothing's coming up, and we all

1482
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 8: take supplements.

1483
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 3: Nothing's coming up, right these burgers down in Mexico, Man,

1484
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 3: I don't get it.

1485
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 7: That's what it is. What do you think of a supplement, Listen.

1486
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 3: I think it's a good idea. I think I think

1487
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 3: the roadblock there are the legal roadblocks. I think that

1488
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, there might be a conflict of interest there,

1489
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 3: but also I think legally that might be a tough

1490
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 3: thing for the UFC to do, and that that's quite

1491
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 3: a responsibility, But I think it logically it makes a

1492
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 3: hell of a lot of sense, right, I mean, I mean.

1493
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 7: Kennedy, they put together that performance center is maybe the

1494
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 7: best in the world. They're saying at this.

1495
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 3: Point, believe the supplement.

1496
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 7: Line that you could why not have a supplement line

1497
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 7: you could trust.

1498
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: Bongo's lipid panels. I mean, what is what is? What

1499
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: is that a huge undertaking?

1500
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 3: Right, here's the thing. But here's the thing.

1501
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: Is it really the supplements? I mean that's what everyone's saying.

1502
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 7: Well, that's what I'm saying. But take it off the table.

1503
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: Now, that's exactly right. Take the excuse away, Take the

1504
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: excuse away. Right, I got what you're saying.

1505
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, excuse away. Sure you have the money to do it.

1506
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 7: It's a good thing for everybody. Everybody.

1507
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 8: Look, if you supplement the right way and really use

1508
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 8: supplements the way they're supposed to, I think these guys

1509
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 8: would really be surprised at.

1510
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 7: The games they make and that they could do it

1511
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 7: that way too.

1512
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 8: Supplementation is you need it, You're never going to get

1513
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 8: the right you know, it's hard to get everything just

1514
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 8: from eating good foods, you know what I mean.

1515
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 7: So I think it's a win win for everybody. You

1516
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 7: take that off the table.

1517
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 8: You know, you heard Victor Conte's thing about he thinks

1518
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 8: John Jones was microan doosing on testosterone, and uh, you

1519
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 8: know it it was. It wasn't a clean laboratory, you know,

1520
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 8: and that some of the tyrinna bull was still in

1521
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 8: the vats and you know, depending on where you go,

1522
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 8: Like I suspect in my head, what I see is

1523
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 8: John Jones went to a lamb similar. Do you ever

1524
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 8: see Knackos when they're making the fucking cocaine out and

1525
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 8: our guitar out in the jungles.

1526
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 7: I think that's where he went. Ken. I think that

1527
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 7: was where he got his stuff from. I think those

1528
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 7: guys care about the vats smacking the cocaine.

1529
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: Come on, you're killing me, dude.

1530
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 8: We're I'll tell you something Onnesday morning and I'm completely

1531
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 8: out of my fucking mind.

1532
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: Did you get into some of those that's Ray?

1533
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 3: What's going on? Oh my goodness, Ray, listen, let's talk

1534
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 3: about your guy, Alijah Quinta.

1535
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: How's he doing? Is he healthy?

1536
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 6: Uh?

1537
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: This is an awesome fight against felder Man. We're all excited.

1538
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 3: What's up?

1539
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 8: Everything's good man, He's been like again, I'm happy to

1540
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 8: see the guy train in the right way. We haven't

1541
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 8: done this in a while, you know, Like again, he

1542
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 8: really hasn't even wrestled, you know, for a while. He's

1543
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 8: bringing back his wrestling and he's been blending everything together great.

1544
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 8: So I'm happy he's healthy, he's he's coming to fight

1545
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 8: that it will be a great fight because both guys

1546
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 8: are tough as ship and they're both come in to fight,

1547
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,839
Speaker 8: and I think that can only be a crowd pleaser.

1548
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,560
Speaker 5: Level with me, though, is this an anxious week for you?

1549
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 5: I mean, you seem to be in great spirits today,

1550
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 5: but this this final week, I mean, you're trying.

1551
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 8: To two weeks a heart attack, John, it really is.

1552
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 8: I might have a heart attack this week, and really

1553
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 8: at that part is man, that's tough, but yeah, we

1554
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 8: get him through this week. It's clear sailing. But uh yeah,

1555
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 8: this is this ship is definitely not fun that way

1556
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 8: because my heart literally pounds during sparring.

1557
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 7: It really does.

1558
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sure it's just I'm sure I don't know, right,

1559
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 5: I mean, injury prone fighter or otherwise. You were trying

1560
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 5: to peak this athlete while also keeping him healthy and

1561
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 5: you have one week to go, and I get anxious

1562
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 5: as I'm prepping for this interview today, thinking about what

1563
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 5: your Monday is like yet now ready?

1564
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:30,560
Speaker 1: So we're excited to see it.

1565
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 6: Man.

1566
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 5: I mean you and I got to figure out some

1567
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 5: sort of bet here on this fight just for fun.

1568
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 5: Uh maybe you shave your head if that loses or something,

1569
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 5: we'll have to figure it out.

1570
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 8: Oh is that what you want to shave my head?

1571
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 8: I'm like ulysses, man, you shave my head? Man, I

1572
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 8: just go into a corner and die somewhere. This is

1573
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 8: all I got left.

1574
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: Do you want to take at those locks in it?

1575
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 7: Come on, yeah, you want to take away that? You

1576
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 7: might as well pluck out my eyeballs too. I'll have nothing.

1577
01:09:59,080 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 3: And what we would do?

1578
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: Nothing to those beautiful blues?

1579
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 6: All right?

1580
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: You got anything else before we let your scoot?

1581
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 5: Man?

1582
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:08,560
Speaker 7: Uh man, that that ran wasn't enough. I thought that

1583
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 7: was going to cover everything.

1584
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: No, it's amazing.

1585
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 7: I don't know you seven.

1586
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: Minute energy.

1587
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 3: No, man, stay out of those vats long ago. Stay

1588
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 3: out of those vats over there.

1589
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 7: We solved the problem. I like it an epiphany. No

1590
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 7: legal there's no legal issues. I mean when I want

1591
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 7: to listen I'd like.

1592
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 8: The next fight I go home with a couple of

1593
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 8: cases of protein powdern instead of twenty five pairs of

1594
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 8: size twelve sneakers.

1595
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 7: You know what I mean. Now, I don't even think

1596
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 7: I'm doing this for the money. I just do it

1597
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:41,759
Speaker 7: for the clothes and the sneakers.

1598
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: Now, are you wearing Rebox right now?

1599
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 6: Right now?

1600
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 3: I am not. No, he's not even wearing them.

1601
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 5: I was hoping at least you wearing them, so then

1602
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 5: I could say, well, you're wearing their shoes right now,

1603
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 5: but you're not wearing I'm going.

1604
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 8: To take a picture of my foyer though they're all

1605
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 8: stacked up. I'm out of those Reboks that I don't

1606
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 8: you know if I haven't been wearing them.

1607
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 7: But I wear them fight night. That's all that matters.

1608
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 5: Well, maybe you start requesting some nines instead of twelves

1609
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 5: and you send them here.

1610
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: To Boca Retel in Florida.

1611
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 7: All right, Oh there you go.

1612
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 3: I'm kidding.

1613
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 7: Anybody we know, anybody who's a size twelve, let me

1614
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 7: know because they got Yeah, we will.

1615
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: We'll send some listeners some size twelve Rebox from.

1616
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 3: You tweeting goes to some like River or something. Them kids.

1617
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:26,719
Speaker 3: Use them as a canoe or something.

1618
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, you put your hands on them. They're like good

1619
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 7: focus mins.

1620
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,560
Speaker 5: Sometimes I use them today because Lord knows, Ray, we

1621
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 5: have plenty of rebounk down here in Boca Raton, Florida.

1622
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 1: By the way, we're well.

1623
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 3: Taken care of.

1624
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,560
Speaker 5: Hey, thank you for the time. Tighten it up with

1625
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 5: al Man. We wish you guys all the all the best.

1626
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 5: I look forward to shaking your hand in Brooklyn here

1627
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 5: in about a week and a half.

1628
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 7: My man, theondiful can't wait, literally can't wait.

1629
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 5: All right, buddy, have a good week there. He is

1630
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 5: wrong ago every week here on the Anacantlorian Podcast. That

1631
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 5: is a hell of a fight at one hundred and

1632
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 5: fifty five pounds. First fight you'll see one at UFC

1633
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 5: two twenty three Iaquinta against Paul Felder. And we heard

1634
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 5: on one of our first episodes, Ray Longo started talking

1635
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 5: Kenny about how with his elite guys, it's all about health.

1636
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 5: If he could just get Wyman to the fight, he

1637
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 5: feels like he's got the best guy in that division.

1638
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 5: And he feels similarly to Al not as not that

1639
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 5: Al is the five tool player necessarily that Chris Wyman

1640
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 5: is in modern day MMA, but he feels like if

1641
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 5: he can keep eoquint to healthy, he can get the

1642
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 5: big fights.

1643
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: He's got the big fight. Just got to keep him healthy,

1644
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: get him to the dance, and let his skills take over.

1645
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 3: No easy task man. As a coach, that's probably the

1646
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 3: most nerve racking thing is you know, there's one thing,

1647
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 3: it's one thing to prepare your fighters, but there's a balance,

1648
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 3: right because you want to head into a fight knowing

1649
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 3: that you did everything that you know, you crossed, all

1650
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 3: your t's dotted, all your eyes you know, heading into

1651
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 3: that fight. But sometimes it's very easy to do too

1652
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 3: much and have your have your guys overtrained injured heading

1653
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 3: into a fight. And now you know, juggling all these

1654
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 3: guys that are injured. They've been dealing with some body

1655
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 3: issues and you know, having you know, past surgeries and

1656
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 3: all this stuff. It is really tough, man, because this

1657
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 3: is a dangerous sport and you have to make sure

1658
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 3: that your your guys are very well prepared. But at

1659
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 3: the same time, you got to keep them healthy as well.

1660
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 3: Otherwise they're not getting paid, otherwise they're not doing what

1661
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 3: they love. So just a very very difficult job being

1662
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 3: being a coach in mixed martial arts. Is tough man.

1663
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 5: Paul Felder that if he wins the fight against Aya

1664
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 5: quint and this is the Bostonian and me coming out,

1665
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 5: but I said, if you quit in the fight in

1666
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 5: New York, you have to say something about the Super

1667
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 5: Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagle to incite the New York passes,

1668
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 5: and that immediately shut down the conversation.

1669
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: Respond to my text.

1670
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 5: A couple other fights, Kenny, Michael Kiesa, Anthony Pettis, and

1671
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 5: we're going to talk to Mike Brown here in a

1672
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 5: minute about Yanni Young j Check and Rosenama Yunis and

1673
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 5: Pourier and everything else. Kiesa Pettis, Hanato Moykano, Calvin Cater.

1674
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 5: The lesser talked about fight, obviously is Calvin Cater and

1675
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 5: Hanato moy Kana, and two guys here who think they're

1676
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 5: going to be champion, big frames for this one hundred

1677
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 5: and forty five division. And I think when you look

1678
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 5: at the main card for two twenty three, this is

1679
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 5: the forgotten fight and it shouldn't.

1680
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Calvin Cater and Moykana, that's my fight to watch

1681
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 3: right there. I mean Cater been representing Boston very very well,

1682
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,560
Speaker 3: really coming into his own really seems very comfortable in

1683
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 3: the octagon now and head out to Moykano was a

1684
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 3: guy that a lot of people thought could be a

1685
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 3: champion in that division in the future prior to running

1686
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 3: into Brian Ortega. I think he was undefeated before Ortega,

1687
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 3: Is that correct? Yeah? But Moykano is a Brazilian Gitsu

1688
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:43,560
Speaker 3: black belt, good striker, very game when it comes to

1689
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 3: standing on the feet, and Cater very much cut from

1690
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 3: that same cloth. So I think that's going to be

1691
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 3: a banger man all right.

1692
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 5: Now with us on the guest line as promised, the

1693
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen Anakin Florian Podcast Award winner for Cornerman of

1694
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 5: the Year. They got him on video today and he

1695
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 5: looks good. The former WEC champion all around good egg.

1696
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 5: Mike Brown is with us. What's up, buddy?

1697
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 6: All good?

1698
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 7: Here, all good?

1699
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: So at what point are we still allowed to call

1700
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: you MTB?

1701
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 5: At what point did the Mike Thomas Brown go away

1702
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 5: and you just become the great Mike Brown.

1703
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 11: I'm not certain this kind of comes and goes here

1704
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 11: and there, but that all started, Uh, they started using

1705
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 11: my middle name because I didn't have a nickname. And

1706
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 11: there's so much Mike Mike Brown's out there. It's such

1707
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 11: a curse. You know, there's like one million Mike Browns

1708
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 11: in the United States alone.

1709
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: I think, well, no, that it was tough.

1710
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 5: Even on Wikipedia this morning, when I put Mike Brown

1711
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 5: in there, I got to add like wec to get

1712
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 5: the goddamn fighter.

1713
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 1: So I feel your pain a little bit.

1714
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 5: Hey, So I noticed driving by the gym the other

1715
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,959
Speaker 5: day that they're building a hotel, like right on the premises.

1716
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 5: I know you guys have some sort of dorm situation

1717
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 5: in the facility, but when you see that hotel being erected,

1718
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 5: I mean, are your wheels chair? Are people going to

1719
01:15:58,200 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 5: be staying there during training camps?

1720
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1721
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 11: Actually, there's already a hotel right beside us. So this

1722
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 11: will be the second hotel problems. The first one, I

1723
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 11: forget what it is. I think it's I'm not.

1724
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 9: Certain the name, but it's but it's kind of pricey.

1725
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 9: It's a couple hundred.

1726
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 7: Bucks a night.

1727
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 6: I think.

1728
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you know that's out.

1729
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 9: Of the budget for most younger fighters.

1730
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 3: But it is good.

1731
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 9: It's convenient, you know, it's walking distance people don't have

1732
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 9: to runt a car.

1733
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 11: They can just We have some dorms, but oftentimes they're full,

1734
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 11: and you know the snowball effect, you know, as the

1735
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 11: more successful we have, the more people that come.

1736
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 5: So I don't know how you have mastered your own

1737
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 5: personal schedule, but it seems like a lot of the

1738
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 5: elite fighters command a lot of your time, and I

1739
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 5: would think that would be a big part of your

1740
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 5: balancing act to always be there for the championship level fighters,

1741
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 5: even guys like Kyogi Horigucci, who is a champion outside

1742
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 5: the UFC. I mean, is your schedule just a nightmare?

1743
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 5: Like if your girlfriend says you want to go on vacation,

1744
01:16:58,120 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 5: like that ain't happening, right.

1745
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean it's it has been really tough. I

1746
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 11: feel bad because I'm so busy with all the fighters

1747
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 11: I've been. You know, I neglect some of my friends

1748
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 11: for sure, and my girlfriend. You know, there's uh, there's

1749
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 11: always a big fight coming up or a couple of

1750
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 11: big fights coming up. Yeah, it's it's been a problem

1751
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 11: to balance it all. I mean, I'm I'm definitely neglecting

1752
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 11: some of them. You know, they're not getting all the

1753
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 11: attention they should. They should, but there's also a lot

1754
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 11: of great training partners to get information from also, so

1755
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,879
Speaker 11: you're also getting better from your teammates.

1756
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 3: So well, you talked about big fights, You got a

1757
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 3: big fight coming up, you wanna take an on Rose

1758
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 3: here in the rematch. I'm curious as to like how

1759
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 3: much of it for you as a coach was it

1760
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 3: technical versus mental? Like how much are you talking to

1761
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 3: you wanna about you know, technique here in this rematch

1762
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 3: as opposed to just kind of building your up mentally

1763
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 3: and kind of getting her to move past that loss.

1764
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 11: I mean, she's mentally strong, She's as mentally tough as

1765
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 11: they come. So I mean it it doesn't take you know,

1766
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 11: much to get her there. I think it's just you know,

1767
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 11: getting her in shape, getting her close to weight, and

1768
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 11: and letting her her.

1769
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 9: Skills, you know, do do the talking. She knows how

1770
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 9: to fight.

1771
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 3: It's uh just.

1772
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 11: Small small corrections, small details, and uh just being healthy

1773
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 11: and and ready to go on that night.

1774
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,759
Speaker 9: And I think she will deliver.

1775
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 11: You know, I think that I truly believe that, uh

1776
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 11: she's the best fighter in that weight class. Yeah, and

1777
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 11: and I think we're going to see it, uh in

1778
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 11: two weeks.

1779
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 3: Mike, if you were to go back for that training camp,

1780
01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 3: what would be the one thing that you would change

1781
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 3: heading into that fight against Ammiunis.

1782
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 11: I mean, you know, I hate to say it, but

1783
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 11: you know, the biggest problem was the was the weight issue.

1784
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 11: You know, she I feel like, you know, can can

1785
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 11: you say with with one certainty that is what caused it?

1786
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 6: No?

1787
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 9: No, you cannot, right. But what I truly believe with

1788
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 9: my heart that.

1789
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 11: The she had a monster weight cut, and I truly

1790
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 11: believe it affected her ability to take a punch. You know,

1791
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 11: she she's never been uh knocked out before, never been

1792
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 11: hurt like that before.

1793
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,600
Speaker 9: And and it wasn't a big shot, you know.

1794
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 11: And I mean and Rose is a tremendous fighter, and

1795
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 11: and she's a world champion, and she is capable of

1796
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 11: beating anybody right on a given night. But but I

1797
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 11: do believe that you Wanna is the best fighter in

1798
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,560
Speaker 11: that weight class. And uh, and I think that she

1799
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 11: was just she cut too much weight in in the

1800
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 11: night before the fight.

1801
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 3: It was, yeah, it was too much.

1802
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 11: And you know, there's been a lot of studies on

1803
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 11: dehydration and concussions, and I truly believe that was was

1804
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 11: the problem.

1805
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 9: You know, it was a short fight. We we didn't

1806
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 9: see a whole lot.

1807
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 11: It wasn't It's not like she got dominated over you know,

1808
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 11: four or five rounds and you know, so that's a

1809
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 11: different story.

1810
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 5: Mike Brown with us here on the Anakin Florian podcast.

1811
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 5: And certainly, Yoanna, you know Jcheck has had big cuts

1812
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 5: in the past. She has aesthetically maybe not look great

1813
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 5: on the scale, but certainly has produced every step of

1814
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 5: the way. So what is the solution, Mic, Is it

1815
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 5: just to come in a little bit leaner and lighter

1816
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 5: for this fight?

1817
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1818
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 9: I think the problem was she was starting to get bigger.

1819
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 11: You know, she trains hard all the time, She's doing

1820
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 11: a lot of strength conditioning, so you know, and she's

1821
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 11: also maturing. You know, she's getting in you know, in

1822
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 11: that age late twenties or you know, early thirties. You know,

1823
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 11: you're you're adding more muscle all the time. Every year

1824
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 11: it's another pound or two, you know, and it's it

1825
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 11: just became too much. I think she was getting too big,

1826
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:01,640
Speaker 11: too muscular for the weight. You know, she added a

1827
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 11: lot of muscle in her legs and I think.

1828
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 7: It cost her.

1829
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 11: You know, she had to you know, Dehyde, you herself,

1830
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 11: you know, pretty bad that day to make sure that

1831
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 11: she made the weight. I think most fighters probably wouldn't

1832
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 11: have made the weight, to be honest, because it was

1833
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 11: you know, fifteen sixteen pounds in a day, and that's

1834
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 11: a that's a lot for a heavyweight, never mind.

1835
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 3: Incredible.

1836
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 9: So yeah, I mean, this is I mean, and I

1837
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 9: hate to say this because I hate to take anything

1838
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 9: away from Rows and you know, and hey, she's a

1839
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 9: world champion, she's the UFC champion and she she did it,

1840
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 9: so she's tough as hell.

1841
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1842
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 5: No, I think it's all fair, and I think we're

1843
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 5: excited to see the rematch. I said last week on

1844
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 5: our show, not that I felt short changed necessarily by

1845
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 5: the first fight, but I think this could be an

1846
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 5: epic rematch if they go into the.

1847
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: Latter rounds and I lost for seeing it.

1848
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 5: So, Mike, for you, one week later, you'll be in Glendale,

1849
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 5: Arizona to Dustin Pourier against Justin Gaetchee. I know you've

1850
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 5: been with dust at every step of the way. I mean,

1851
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 5: you got to be just really excited to be a

1852
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 5: part of a fight like that.

1853
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 9: So psyched for this one.

1854
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 11: You know, even if Dustin wasn't my friends, I would

1855
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 11: be probably more excited for this fight than any other

1856
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 11: fight this year. Right, Neither of these guys have had

1857
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 11: a boring thirty seconds in their whole career.

1858
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 9: Right, They're both wild men.

1859
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 11: They both come out, they both have big power, and

1860
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 11: they both put the foot on the gas and look

1861
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 11: to take the other guy out, you know, every second

1862
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 11: of the fight.

1863
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 9: So that's a huge one.

1864
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 1: And we're excited to see it and real quick before

1865
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: we let you go.

1866
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 5: Dustin said on our show a couple months ago that

1867
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 5: the toughest fight for him at one hundred and fifty

1868
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 5: five pounds is kabibn nor Mago Mettov. Of course, he's

1869
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 5: got Tony Ferguson here coming up in two weeks. How

1870
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 5: do you see that fight playing out? You know, I

1871
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 5: trust your opinion. I haven't gotten anyone on this show

1872
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 5: to predict a Tony Ferguson win. Yet everyone just is

1873
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 5: mesmerized by Kabib, and I think rightfully.

1874
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 9: So well, you know, on paper, you know it's gonna

1875
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 9: you know, Kobeb is gonna be the favorite.

1876
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 11: Yeah, but uh, but Tony does have a style that

1877
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,640
Speaker 11: could that could give him problems, you know, like I

1878
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 11: think that he's he's long, Ah, he has decent power

1879
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 11: in his hands. I think he's got probably better striking

1880
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 11: than Kobeb, you know, and uh, if he gets taken down,

1881
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 11: at least he's he's he's got a decent guard game,

1882
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 11: so he can protect himself when he is taken down.

1883
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 11: And he's got a great gas tank, so he'll be

1884
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 11: there for five rounds and right he'll be fighting hard

1885
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 11: five rounds. So he has twenty five minutes to make

1886
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 11: something happen. And uh, he could, he could pose some problems.

1887
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 6: You know.

1888
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 9: It's Kabebe has been hurt before.

1889
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 11: Michael Johnson heard him before, so I mean it's possible

1890
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 11: that it happens, and it's it's not the easiest fight

1891
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 11: for Kabebe, I don't think.

1892
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 9: But of course on paper, you know, he's going to

1893
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 9: be the favorite in Vegas, and probably for good reason.

1894
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 1: Well hopefully for your sake.

1895
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 5: You're in the back celebrating a Joanna yone j Check

1896
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 5: championship win and watching that fight like the rest of us.

1897
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 5: He is Mike Brown, outstanding fighter, proven to be just

1898
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 5: as good a head coach. Of course, he'll be in

1899
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 5: Young j Check's corner. April seventh, MTB. Appreciate your time today, buddy.

1900
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 5: We'll talk to you soon. Thanks so much.

1901
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 9: Hey, thanks so much for having me.

1902
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,560
Speaker 1: Guys, all right there, he is Mike Thomas Brown. So

1903
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:29,799
Speaker 1: it's like you don't have a nickname.

1904
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 5: We're gonna fucking make you go by MTB and throw

1905
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 5: your middle I mean, imagine if there was no Ken

1906
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 5: Flow and they just started calling you calf or Ko.

1907
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 1: World will be a better place if you wouldn't have

1908
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: had it. You wouldn't have had it.

1909
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 5: Thirty five fights in the pro career of Mike Brown,

1910
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 5: made his pro debut in two thousand and one in Swansea, Massachusetts,

1911
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 5: Pro from two thousand and one to twenty thirteen, and

1912
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 5: now just killing it at American Top Team down here

1913
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 5: in South Florida. Speaking of killing it, how about Ken

1914
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 5: Flow today? Folks on four hour sleep? You know, not

1915
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 5: too fucking that is it though? For today we got

1916
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 5: to get out of here. Thank you to our guests,

1917
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 5: Mike Brown, who you just heard from, Frank Edgar off

1918
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 5: the top of course, Ray Longo, spit and fire as usual.

1919
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 5: Next week it will finally be fight week for UFC

1920
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 5: two to twenty three Full preview of the main car

1921
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 5: predictions from Canflow. I'm still tracking cubbyven Dermaco Medov down,

1922
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 5: so hopefully he joins us later. We'll also try to

1923
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 5: get welterweight contender Darren Till if we can get the

1924
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 5: time slots to a line. But we will be back

1925
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 5: with you one week from today Monday, April second, to

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