1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: You're listening to three and Out with John Middelkoff of 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: the Colin Coward podcast Network. I'll be coming to you 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: live all weekend, Indie. At the NFL Combine, I talked 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: to Howie Roseman today. You'll hear him coming up a 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: little bit later. For those who don't know, Executive vice President, 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: I call him the gm UH. He runs the Eagles 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: and he's a Super Bowl champ. He was in a 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: in a Great Moody league. He was really good today. 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: That's as good as you're gonna get him, for sure. 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: I mean, he's the they call him the Billy being 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: the Darryl Morey of of the NFL because he's got 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl championship. I will be talking to Matt Naggy, 13 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: head coach of the Chicago Bears, tomorrow, and we'll just 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: be talking a lot about about the NFL Combine. I 15 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: remember the first time I came, I was working in 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: the league. I was a scout, and even though you're 17 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: working in the league, you're still kind of starstruck when 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: you get to this thing. I remember walking into an 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: elevator and just seeing Jerry Jones and just today you 20 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: just yesterday when I checked in you you walk around, 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: there's Jason Garrett walking by it today. Basically half the 22 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: head coaches in the league were around. They all seem 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: like a lot of the guys that I worked with 24 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: in Philly from I saw Doug Peterson, Sean McDermott, Matt Naggie. 25 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: I'll come from that Andy Reid Tree. I got a 26 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: recommendation for anyone in the NFL try to get hired 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: onto an Andy Reid staff because that will equal a 28 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: head coaching job. But I mean, and here's the other 29 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: thing with the with the Andy Reid Tree guys, and 30 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: we'll talk to Matt Naggie tomorrow, they are all just 31 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: fantastic humans. I mean, Sean McDermott was. I just saw 32 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: him in the hallway. He kept asking about me. It's like, bro, 33 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: I want to know about you. You just made the 34 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: playoffs first time in what like twenty plus years in Buffalo, 35 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: and you know, Dougs is nice of a head coach 36 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: as you'll meet in same with Matt, but of the 37 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: head coach is the one thing that really stood out. 38 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: And listen, I'm from the Bay Area. I understand just 39 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: how big of a deal this is. But you you 40 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: really feel it when you're here. Is John Gruden's back, 41 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: and he has a rock star. Anywhere he goes, people 42 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: are lined up twenty deep and you know, probably ten 43 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,839 Speaker 1: a line of ten, So you were talking a ton 44 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: of people. To hear him talk. Everything he says is 45 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: just gonna be nitpicked with a fine tooth comb. Everyone 46 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: wants to talk about him. In a league where, like 47 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: I said, Doug Peterson just won the Super Bowl, and 48 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 1: if the two guys walked into a room, Doug and 49 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: John Gruden just naturally people just kind of go over 50 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: to Gruden. I mean, it's pretty wild, and it's the 51 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: first time I've really experienced it in person, uh seeing him, 52 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: I've I've been at games when he's been calling the 53 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: Monday night football game, but to see him back in 54 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 1: a Raider's polo, to just see the power again. They're 55 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: a ton of head coaches today. Doug Marone was walking 56 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: around here, Bill O'Brien. They're just kind of a deep 57 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: different aura. When when Gruden walks walks in the room, 58 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: I mean, he's a rock star now, the guy that 59 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: kind of looks like a rock star in fantastic shape 60 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: and just looks like he's ready to hit the town 61 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh. But again, it just feels a little different 62 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: when he walks in, and I think that's gonna be 63 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: a a storyline. Really all off season, people peppering him 64 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: with questions, h he hasn't been coaching in nine years. 65 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: You kind of heard it today. How is he going 66 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: to transition back? He's not definitely not happy with the rules. 67 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: I mean, how would he The rules have dramatically changed 68 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: since he last time. I mean, think about this. The 69 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: last time he coached, iPads did not exist. Now, most 70 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: players watch all their film and coaches on an iPad, 71 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: especially when they're in there on the road or at 72 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: their house. Unless you've seen Tom versus time. He has 73 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: like a thirty year old computer he's using, but it's 74 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: he He's a walking rock star. And I mean, the 75 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: Raiders have been relevant the last couple of years, but 76 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: when you see Jon Gruden and I would imagine the 77 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: Raiders are gonna get some primetime games. He is gonna 78 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: be one of the I was around when hardball was around. 79 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: Now again, I'm not equating this to wins and losses. 80 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll win. I don't know if 81 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: the loose, I don't know what's gonna happen. It's gonna 82 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: be fascinating to see. But I remember now Jim had 83 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: one to become this rock star, but he became this character. 84 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: It was Jim Harbaugh and he walked in the room, 85 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: it just had a different feel. And I've been around. 86 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: I see it now with Kyle Shanahan. I've been in 87 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: the room. Andy Reid. He's a big dude, but he's 88 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: also got a big presence. There's something when John uh, 89 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: Jim Harball excuse me, walked in the room and he 90 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: kind of feel that with Gruden, now Canny coach or not, 91 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: can he adapt to the game. It's gonna be fascinating 92 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: to see. But I'm telling you, I got a pretty 93 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: good feel for when a dude walks in the room 94 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: and it's big and it just feels different, right or wrong. Uh. 95 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: And I've I felt this. I've been a Golden State 96 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: Warriors game back when Miami he came and Lebron was there. 97 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: It just felt different. Gruden, and again, I don't know 98 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: if he's gonna win. I would actually be a little 99 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: hesitant to say it's gonna be. It'll ever earn that 100 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: hundred million dollar contract. But it's gonna be a big deal. 101 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the biggest story so far. I think 102 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: of the combine with the actual players that are going 103 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 1: to be participating, and it when the news came out, 104 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: what's today, Wednesday, So it would have been I think 105 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: Monday that Sam Donald will not throw at the combine, 106 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: which your first reactions as any fan, that sucks. I mean, 107 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: that really sucks. And really my first thought and the 108 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: the thing that I've continued to think about in the 109 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: last couple of days. My favorite player in this draft, 110 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: just as a player. I'm not talking about the total package, 111 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: just in a vacuum talent, it's Josh Rosen. He plays 112 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: a most important position and he's the most talented player. 113 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: Now there are question marks about his personality. I don't 114 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: know enough about that in terms of I don't know 115 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: the kid. Uh what I've heard secondhand, some people don't 116 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: like him. And you know, when I was doing this, 117 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: there some players I didn't like. That turned out fine. 118 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna totally crush him for that. Because 119 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: when I when I looked at the U c l 120 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: A program, I saw a head coach that was over 121 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: his head. Talent around him that was beyond terrible. The 122 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: defense was atrocious, and I watched the continue, especially in 123 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen. Give a team a chance that 124 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: had no business winning any games, win five or six games. 125 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: I mean without Josh Rosen there there is, they don't 126 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: win a game. He was really that important. I'm a 127 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: big Josh Rosen guy. So the moment I saw that 128 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: Sam Donald is out and I like Sam Donald too, 129 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: I would to me, if those guys don't go one 130 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: and two, I would not only be a little shocked, 131 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: I would think, whatever the picks are are wrong. Cleveland 132 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: needs a quarterback. Uh listen, I don't think you can 133 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: go wrong. Rosen clearly has the higher ceiling. I think Donald, 134 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,559 Speaker 1: worst case turns into an Alex Smith like player, which 135 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: by no means that used to be a negative thing, 136 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: but it's not anymore. That's if you have Alex Smith 137 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: for ten years, you're in pretty good shape. You might 138 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: not win Super Bowl, but you're gonna be pretty competitive. 139 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: So if those guys don't go one too, with two 140 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: teams that desperately need a quarterback, and this notion that 141 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: the Giants might pass on a quarterback for a three 142 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: eight year old stiff. I mean, God, love Eli, I 143 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: love everything he stands for, but he can't play anymore. 144 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: So if you're gonna pass on one of these two guys, 145 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: I think it would be a grave, a massive mistake. 146 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: And I think when the dust settles, I think those 147 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: two quarterbacks go one and two in some order. But 148 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,119 Speaker 1: Donald's not throwing. I think it's the opportunity for Rosen 149 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: to steal the show. He has a better arm. Just 150 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: when you put the two of them on the field together, 151 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: just naturally. Now Sam's gonna be standing there on the side. Really, 152 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: the most important thing for Josh is gonna be these 153 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: personal interviews. But you and I are gonna be able 154 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: to see those. We'll hear rumors and it's be hard 155 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: to tell what's true or not, but we will get 156 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: to see him throw laser beams and he's gonna be 157 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: sitting right next with Josh Allen. Now, listen, I would 158 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: not take Josh Allen in the first round. That's not 159 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: my cup of tea. Inaccurate quarterbacks that if never one 160 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: that comes from smaller programs, and that ain't my style. 161 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 1: But I will not dispute he has an absolute cannon, 162 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: you know. And I think Mayock this week compared him 163 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: to Jamacus Russell and in terms of armed talent. Well, 164 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: so just that alone on the field, you're gonna see 165 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: Rosen right next to Allen throwing, or at least like 166 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: one guy is gonna throw and then a couple you know, 167 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: reps later the other guy is gonna throw. You're gonna 168 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: get to watch one ball and watch the other. And 169 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: I think Rosen his ball might not have the arm 170 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: power like if Josh Allen is throwing a hundred miles 171 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: an hour, if we equated to baseball, Rosen is probably throwing. 172 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you ninety nine six looks pretty good. 173 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: And I think he's gonna look better just naturally throwing 174 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: at than Baker Mayfield, who again, I'm a Baker Mayfield guy. 175 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: I think Baker Mayfield the first rounder. Lamar Jackson, we 176 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: can talk about that all day. We'll get into that 177 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,239 Speaker 1: a little later. I think Rosen really has an opportunity 178 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: with Donald not throwing. And you know, whenever I hear 179 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: he's not throwing, I always give the potential for the 180 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: kid because typically it's not his thought. Because Sam Donald's 181 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: first thought wouldn't be I don't want to throw at 182 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: the combine. People tell him that and he listens, you know, 183 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: his representation, whoever his agent is, whoever his trainer is. 184 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: But sometimes the juices get flowing, and I hope that happened. 185 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm not betting on it, but I don't think it's 186 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: set in stone that all of a sudden, Donald's just 187 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: not throwing. We've seen it before. Baker Mayfield a couple 188 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, wasn't supposed to play in the game 189 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: now his mom was sick the Senior Bowl. Well, his 190 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 1: juices got flowing and he ended up playing and yep, 191 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: starting the game. These guys are competitors that they want 192 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: to play. And I'm really looking forward to watching Rosen 193 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: on the field on Saturday, just throwing dimes. And I'm 194 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: telling you, if his interviews, if he can just go 195 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: to the top two teams, the Browns and the Giants 196 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: and just dispel some of this notion. And uh, I 197 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: guess the rumors are is the wrong term, because when 198 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: you go into school, if you're not getting rumors, you're 199 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: typically getting somewhat of the truth, not not all of it. 200 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: And you have to kind of dive into it and 201 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: decipher what is true and false, but you get a 202 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: pretty good idea. So he needs to make them confident 203 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: that what they've heard positive or negative. Uh, they'll be comfortable. 204 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: And I think it all starts because at the end 205 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: of the day, for as much we talk about the 206 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: off the field crap character all that bs, it's about 207 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: playing on the field and if you can ball and 208 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: if you can potentially win games in the NFL at quarterback, 209 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: people look past all that crap and at the end 210 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: of the day, the stuff four Rosen is really more 211 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: just some people will look at the word arrogance as 212 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: a positive thing in the league. You have to be 213 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: arrogant to line up under center every Sunday with four 214 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: dudes over three hundred pounds or between two and fifty 215 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: three pounds running at you. So I think he by 216 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: far had he had the most a game two weeks 217 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: ago at the combine, and now with Donald not throwing, 218 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: I think this could become the Josh Rosen Combine. Now 219 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: let's get into the interview I did today with Howie Rosman, 220 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: my former boss general manager. I think is official title 221 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: is executive vice President of the Super Bowl champ Philadelphia Eagles. 222 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: Take a listen. Welcome to three and Out, the new 223 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: podcast with John Middlecoff. I have my first guest, former 224 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: Loss three and out three and tell me about the 225 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: name you know, three and out go forward. It's just 226 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: gonna be Is this gonna be weird? When I started 227 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: asking you questions on your first episode, I'm kind of 228 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: feeling like, I see this is the thing about working together, 229 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: Like I feel like I'm always asking you questions you 230 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: know some things about and now you're turning it on me. 231 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's a weird dynamic here, but 232 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's your show job. Well, I'm back executive 233 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: vice president the official title GM. You know it's confusing, 234 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: Just just long time. How many combines is this now? 235 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: For nineteen that's a lot of that's a lot of combines. Yeah, 236 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: but I saw that my hair, but your your hair, 237 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: it's a look for you. I lost it when I 238 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: was with you. You saw the transformation I came. You know, 239 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: it's a funny story. Actually know what, lost a wallet 240 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: on a plane and came back with a shaved head. 241 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: I actually got my hair cut and I looked in 242 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: the mirror and said it was just time Philly. Philly 243 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: is a special place and a little hard Yeah, congratulating 244 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: a little hard in you, that is for sure. Yeah, 245 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: you know you can't come through Philly with out of 246 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: the adversity which both you and I have had. Have 247 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: you paid for dinner yet? Since the Super Bowl of victory. 248 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: I haven't gone out since the Super Bowl victory? How 249 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: about that? You know? Um, it's we came back and 250 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: UM that first weekend we just kind of slept and um. 251 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: The second weekend, UM, we hung out with the kids. 252 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: This is the third weekend that we had. And then 253 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: this weekend my wife and I went away. So I 254 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: was actually just saying that I have not gone out 255 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: in Philly. I went to, Um, I have four kids. 256 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: I have four kids when you were in Philly, three right, 257 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: I have three boys and a girl. And my three 258 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: boys had a party at a place. If I say, 259 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: maybe they'll give me like you work, it doesn't work. 260 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: This place Grand Slam in Philly, and it's like batting 261 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: cages and like NERF guns and Blazer tag. So I 262 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: went there was the first time I was really out, 263 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: um in three weeks, just because the schedule, not because 264 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to be out to dinner because the 265 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: restaurants in Philly, but I love eating I do. And so, um, 266 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: what happened was like this guy comes up to me 267 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: and he's got like tears in his eyes with his son, 268 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: and he's like, my life will never be the same, 269 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: how my life will been an understanding and like I 270 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: thought he was like kidding with me, you know, like 271 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: I I didn't. Like I thought I was like looking 272 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: for candy camera, like I'm looking around. I'm like, oh, 273 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: he's serious, he's serious. And then my friend came home 274 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: and he's like, you're getting this all the time. I 275 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: was like, I haven't been out. And then it was 276 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: like four or five guys. And it's so unbelievable because 277 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: that's how much our football team means the city of Philadelphia, 278 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: and you know that it's just, um, it's a special 279 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: relationship with our city and there's no people that deserve 280 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: a championship more than the people in our city. And 281 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: and when you think about it, like though, that's what 282 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: I'm happy about. I'm happy that our city, our fans, 283 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: um can never have the dialogue where it's like, well, 284 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: you're having a good team, but but like that butt's gone. 285 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: I saw Doug say the same thing. He said people 286 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: have been coming up when he's been out. People just 287 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: come up and just start crying. They just I mean, 288 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: I don't think people if you've never been to Philly 289 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: or lived in Philly, quite understand the power. I mean 290 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: you felt that at that uh during the Jason Kelsey speech. 291 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: Does that does that just get replayed in the Novocare Center. 292 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: You know, I thought he handled it pretty well. Yeah, yeah, 293 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: the end. And then you know this, like there are 294 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: no victory laps in the Novacare Complex. You know that 295 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: that we we have to get back to work, and 296 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: we have a lot of free agents. We don't have 297 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: the same number of draft picks. Now I'm like turning 298 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: the tides on this conversation dramatically. But um so, like 299 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: we're we're we have to be over because we're behind, 300 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: and you know, I during the playoffs on the rotation, 301 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: we'll catch up. You know, during the playoff run, you're 302 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: kind of like we'll catch up, and and then it's 303 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: like bombs, You're like we're gonna win this thing. And 304 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: then and then we're in Minnesota and we're like, oh, 305 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: this's gonna be great during the week in Minnesota, Like 306 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: during the day, we'll just grind tape and have meetings 307 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: and kind catch up and really not really didn't really 308 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: work that way, but we'll get there. We'll we'll get there. 309 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: And um, you know, luckily we have a tremendous front 310 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: office and we have a tremendous scouting staff, and um, 311 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: those guys have been grinding while you know, coach and 312 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: I do things like this, so and tremendous coaches after 313 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: you do. You know that they've always compared Billy Bean's 314 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: and the Darryl Morey's, but none of those have a championship, 315 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: you know, and you know there are a lot of similarities. 316 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: Do you think a marketing efficiency in the league? And 317 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: you've been doing this for a long time because the 318 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: cap has continued to go up, Trading draft picks, especially 319 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: later round picks for veteran players that are under a 320 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: bigger contract that most teams. It seems like a lot 321 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: of teams do that now just there's more money. It's 322 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: it's interesting because I don't think anyone makes a trade 323 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: whether they're given the pick or they're getting the pick 324 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: feeling like they got the short end of the stick. 325 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: So you know, when someone's trading a player, they're doing 326 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: it for a reason. And you know that, like you're 327 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: going into it in saying they're getting rid of him 328 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: for a reason. Now, it maybe that they don't think 329 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: they can resign him, you know, maybe because he doesn't 330 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: fit their scheme. You know, maybe for positive reasons, but 331 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a reason. So uh, you know, you 332 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: have to ask yourself like why why are the emmerad 333 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: this guy? And from our perspective, that's the first question 334 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: before we make any trade, like why are they doing this? 335 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: Because we're certainly not smarter than anyone else, and we 336 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: don't pretend to be, and we're not gonna be smarter 337 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: than the guys who have people in their buildings. So 338 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: it's just got to be about how that player fits 339 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: with us, right, and then by the same token, it's 340 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: got to be like can we afford to give up 341 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: another draft pick? And and certainly the answer to that 342 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: is no, because we have no draft picks, but we 343 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: continue to do it, so you know, just kind of 344 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: roll with it. You know, it's beautiful. What would you 345 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: say the hardest trade you ever made is the hardest 346 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: trade that we ever made. Um, I felt like that 347 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: Sam Bradford one, just some of your quotes I remember 348 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: when that Yeah, I think I think that was. But 349 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: normally it's more about the players that you know. You 350 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: you know this, when you draft the player, they become 351 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: like your family and you kind of like when you 352 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: trade them, you kind of feel given up. You know, 353 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: like trading John dorn Boss for us, a guy who 354 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: UM really like changed the culture of our team when 355 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: we got him, and all he wanted to do was 356 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: win a championship in Philadelphia. Trading him was emotional. You know, 357 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: Sam was hard because of of the message. But we 358 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: knew when you know, we trade all those picks for 359 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: Carson that at that day was gonna come crazy. Thing 360 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: about dorm Boss saved his life right the physical I 361 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: mean it was like almost fate was meant to happen, 362 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: you know. And now now he's got a Super Bowl 363 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: ring and you know he's still like the favorite person 364 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. So so stuff like that. I think that's 365 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: the hardest thing. You know, it's hard to separate the emotions. 366 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: It's it's hard to separate your connection to people, um 367 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: and just kind of say, hey, you know that we're 368 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: they're just tradeable assets. I wish I could what was 369 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: your emotions when you first got the text or you 370 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: walked down from the box and Carson they basically either 371 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: got a head nod or the A C L or 372 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: the first time you heard those three letters A C L. 373 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this is interesting. I don't know that 374 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: I've ever told this story, so we like on this podcast. Yeah, 375 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you something's your first one. So um 376 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: so um. You know, obviously when our trainer and and 377 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: Dom VP Security, you know, slimming down, you know that 378 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: he's not taking that ice cream after Saturday night. He's 379 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: he's like, he's like freaking Bruce, Like you only have 380 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: to say Dom, and everyone in the National Football League knows. 381 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: Like I could talk to people from freaking l A 382 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: Chargers and I'll be like, we have a VP of 383 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: Security'll be like Dom, you know, like he he is 384 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: like unbelievable well known. Anyway, I digress. So when I 385 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: see our head trainer and Dom walking into the locker room, 386 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: I know it's not good. Now I'm hoping that because 387 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: it's our star quarterback, that our head trainers just kind 388 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: of with them, and so, you know, I get the 389 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: call and I basically say, hey, we're not telling anyone. 390 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell Jeffrey and then let's just hold 391 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: this for now. And of course an hour later it's 392 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: like out everywhere. But um, but so I do that, 393 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: and then um, I gotta go to the bathroom. Like 394 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: I you know, I drink a lot of water, so 395 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: I gotta go to the bathroom. And so in the 396 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 1: third quarter, right, yeah, I had to go to the bathroom, 397 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: you know. And so like I go to the bathroom 398 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: and I go to bathroom at the same time as 399 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: Joe Buck, and like I'm kind of in a fog, 400 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: like I'm half like game, half like all right, you know, 401 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: like we just gotta get focused, like this is why 402 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: Nick's here and all that stuff, and we've lost all 403 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: these other players for the year. And so Joe Buck 404 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: like he stopped me, and he's like, how you guys 405 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: are having a great year. It's unbelievable, you know, how 406 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: your quarterbacks playing. And I look up at him, like 407 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: see serious right now, like he's and I don't realize 408 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: that he doesn't know what I know. He doesn't realize 409 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: that it doesn't realize. All right, right, he doesn't realize. 410 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: So that was my first encounter. So because it looks 411 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: kind of like a deep bone bruise. If you didn't 412 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: know that happened a couple of you know what happened. 413 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: So um fast forward to championship game week and and 414 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: um this see it all circles back. So I'm out 415 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: to dinner with my wife to a place we were 416 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: four not during the season. So I'm like, we're going 417 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: here the night before the championship game, and you know, 418 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: the champions games late in the day, and I'm like, 419 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: I need it anyway, and girls around a free plug 420 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: or w mlhern tremendous um. So um, there's a lot 421 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: of tremendous restaurants in Philly that I also go to. 422 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: This is not a slight on any other and anyway, right, anyway, 423 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: that's good. So um, so I go there and Joe 424 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: bucks there and Joe says to me, he goes, hey, 425 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, I was thinking about it, like we had 426 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: a weird interaction in that l A game. Is it 427 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: because you knew? And I said, yeah, dude, I knew, 428 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: and like you were the first person to come up 429 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: to me. And I was just like in a fog. 430 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: And I apologize for that and he's like, no, you 431 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: must have been thinking about a lot of things. So 432 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: in my head this was a better story than it's 433 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: coming out to be. But either way, well, I know 434 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: you're busy by I gotta I guess be a journalist 435 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: and ask Nick Foles you know a lot of just 436 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: my gut feeling from the outside. I mean, you guys. 437 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how much you guys like him, 438 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: what he means in that building, and it just I mean, 439 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: obviously how good he was, but as it likes the 440 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: right word, yeah, I mean legend. I know that's how 441 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: you talk to you to your your women. I like, 442 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: you know you won't go love no word, right, you 443 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: gotta be. But like we love our quarterback room, we 444 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: love our quarterback situation, and um, there's nothing more important 445 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: in this league than that, and that's by design. And 446 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: um those guys do an unbelievable job together and their 447 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: chemistry is great, and so um we're very happy to 448 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: have all three of those guys on our team. Well, 449 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: I'll let you get out of here. Combined number nineteen. 450 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: You said just never ends again, sooner or later it'll 451 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: be combined thirty five and then forty shot. I'm just 452 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: trying to. I'm just trying to. I'm just trying to 453 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: get past. Yeah, I don't know exactly. Shoot, you you 454 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 1: never know in this league how quick the plug can come, 455 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, John, I do know. Okay, gradually, let's thank 456 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: you guys for having a well how he was sure 457 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: in a good moon. I don't blame him. He's a 458 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: super Bowl champ in a city that was super Bowl starved. Uh. 459 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: And now I wouldn't be shocked if Jeffrey Leary gave 460 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: him a lifetime contract. But that's about a joyful as 461 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: you'll hear him. Uh. He's probably about to get back 462 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: to the grind of watching players and doing contracts and 463 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: all the stuff that comes along with, you know, running 464 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: a team tomorrow. Uh today, ad howwee Roseman tomorrow? No 465 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: big deal. Hatton Aggie, head coach Chicago Bears, personal friend. 466 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: I'm fired up, member of the Bald brotherhood. I really 467 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: appreciate everyone listening, you know. On the first ever episode, 468 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: official episode of three and Out. We're gonna keep these 469 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: bad boys coming as long as I'm at the combine. 470 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to talking to Matt Naggy and I'm 471 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: glad you guys had a chance to see the light, 472 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: the lighthearted and light side of Howie. I know sometimes 473 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: you get up in the in the in front of 474 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: all the reporters, you know, you get the GM speak. 475 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: But we're trying to get away from the GM and 476 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: coach speak on three and out, Baby, where we're trying 477 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: to get what they're really feeling, what they're really thinking. 478 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: And I know some of these guys and hopefully they'll 479 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: let down the guard a little bit. And again coming Thursday, 480 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: Matt Naggie, I'm really fired up again. I appreciate everyone listening. 481 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: Subscribe If you guys have any questions in iTunes, if 482 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: you put them in the reviews uh In upcoming episodes, 483 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: I will get to your questions. We'll try to have 484 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: you guys interact. And I'm really looking forward to doing 485 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: this and being being associated with Colin Coward as is 486 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: is absolutely awesome. So let's get it on, baby,