1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Jared spent hours trying to get someone from the hospital 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: on the phone. He was angry, convinced his wife had 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: no right to decide what should happen to their children's 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: remains without any input from him. 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 2: He was ready to give them a piece of his mind. 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: When a hospital administrator finally called him back, he began 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: to tell her exactly what he thought, and to his surprise, 8 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: she agreed with him except for one thing. There were 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: no children to claim or to bury because his wife 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: was never pregnant. 11 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: After the AOC had called me on the hospital line 12 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: and told me, your wife was never pregnant. There were 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 3: no children that were born or died about, I would say. 14 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: Forty five minutes later, call from a cell phone number. 15 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: It was the same hospital administrator who Jared spoke to, 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: calling a second time to check on him and make 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: sure he understood the information she provided. 18 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: Can you just say that again? She is, Yes, your 19 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 3: wife was never pregnant. There were no children born nor 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: die ons that day. She called it. I don't know 21 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 3: the scientific term the. 22 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: Term Jared is referring to is pseudoscisis. Pseudoscisis, or false 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: pregnancy is when a person believes they're pregnant when they're not. 24 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: It's also called a phantom pregnancy. They may have all 25 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: of the physical science and symptoms of being pregnant, but 26 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: there is no fetus in the uterus, and. 27 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: She kind of went into it's a rare case when 28 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 3: it happens, when it is possible where a woman's bay 29 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: can believe that she is with child, look, act, and 30 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: feel the whole nine yard. 31 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: Jared had never heard of this before. In fact, most 32 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: people haven't. 33 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: Doctors don't know why. I did ask some technical questions, 34 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 3: like why does it happen? Is it something I did that? 35 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: They're like, now, there's nothing that you could have seen 36 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: or known to a tea acts like a pregnant moment. 37 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 4: They're not. 38 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: Christy initially told Jared that she was attained by the 39 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: hospital police and escorted out in handcuffs because of a 40 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: warrant issued in her name due to an unpaid speeding ticket, 41 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: but that wasn't true. Christy may have had a warrant 42 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: for an unpaid speeding ticket, but that wasn't the reason 43 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: she was detained. 44 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 3: So, from what I learned, was basically the reason she 45 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 3: was escorted out to the hospital by the two police 46 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 3: officers was that she was hanging around the maternity ward 47 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: and the nurses suspected her that she may try to 48 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 3: take a kid like kidnap a baby. 49 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: I'm Tricia la Fog. 50 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 5: I'm a writer, director, actor at the Federal Criminal Defense Attorney. 51 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 5: I'm going to tell you a story that's all too 52 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 5: real about love, lies and the lens people will go 53 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 5: to for attention. It's a story that will leave you 54 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 5: questioning everything you thought you knew about truth, about reality, 55 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 5: and about what happens when the two collide in the 56 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 5: most unimaginable way. From audio up and just sweet Press productions, 57 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 5: this is unborn. 58 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 2: Pseudosiesis is rare. 59 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: It affects approximately for women in every twenty two thousand pregnancies. 60 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 3: From the research that I've done and talked to the 61 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: nurses and things like that, they say it can't happen, 62 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: but once they have to see an ultrasound and there's 63 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: nothing there, that's when it kind of breaks and they're like, okay. 64 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: But what is extremely rare is when a woman like 65 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: Christy goes full term with a false pregnancy. In fact, 66 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: we spoke to multiple medical health professionals, emergency room doctors, obstetricians, nurses, psychologists, 67 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: social workers, and none of them had ever seen a 68 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: woman go to full term. 69 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: Rarely do they go full thermoe. That doctor had not 70 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 3: seen another one of those. You know, I'm still thinking back, 71 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 3: like why does this happen to me? I mean, I 72 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 3: didn't do anyone any wrong, and here we are. 73 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 6: A doctor could practice their entire career. In fact, they 74 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 6: could practice ten careers and never see one of these. 75 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 6: That's how rare the condition is. My name is Richard Farnham. 76 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 6: I'm a medical doctor, board certified OBGUI n and subspecialist 77 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 6: in eurogynecology with a practice in El Paso, Texas up 78 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 6: with an academic affiliation at Texas Tech. Pseudocysis. This is 79 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 6: where someone believes they're pregnant and in fact they have 80 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 6: physiologic changes that would accompany the normal signs of pregnancy. 81 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 6: They can get abdominal bloating, they can have fatigue, they 82 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 6: can have nipple discharge, they have the sense that there 83 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 6: are fetal movements. To the casual observer, they appear pregnant, 84 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 6: they have a distended abdomen like they're carrying a baby. 85 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 6: They truly believe that they're pregnant, and it can actually 86 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 6: be very difficult for them even when they're confronted with 87 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 6: the medical evidence that shows that they're actually not pregnant. 88 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: We wanted to present a clinical perspective of what someone 89 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: suffering from pseudocyesis may be experiencing, so we spoke to 90 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: doctor Julia Baird, who is a clinical psychologist in Los Angeles. 91 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: She did not treat Christie. 92 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: She's never met Christie, but she specializes in the treatment 93 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: of psychosomatic disorders like pseudocyesis and has treated women suffering 94 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: from pseudocisis in the course of her practice. Doctor Baird's 95 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: approach to treating patients has an emphasis on healing the 96 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: whole person mind, body, and spirit. 97 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 7: I think the mind is a very powerful thing, and 98 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 7: I think we don't usually focus enough on a more 99 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 7: holistic approach of integrating mental health into just even just 100 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 7: primary care general medical treatments. 101 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 5: Pseudoscisis is a psychosomatic disorder, meaning it has a heavy 102 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 5: mind component, but it manifests physically in the body the 103 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 5: false belief that there's a pregnancy, and you actually manifest 104 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 5: the symptoms and signs of pregnancy. 105 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 7: So these people will actually feel nauseous, have mourning sickness. 106 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 7: The periods will see, lactation will happen, All the symptoms 107 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 7: of pregnancy can develop, but there is no actual pregnancy 108 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 7: that's ever confirmed. So the ultrasound shows no pregnancy. Pregnancy 109 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 7: tests are false. But yet they look pregnant and they're 110 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 7: having all kinds of symptoms as if they're pregnant. 111 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: It's one thing to understand something clinically, but what was 112 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: actually going through Christie's mind and body. To understand, we 113 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: spoke to Carla, a woman who experienced pseudosysis directly. 114 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 4: Carla Jenkins, I am someone who has experienced pseudoscyesis. 115 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: Much like Jared and Christy. 116 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: Carla and her partner had only been together for a 117 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: few months when they found out they were pregnant. 118 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 8: Alex and I didn't think that we could have kids. 119 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 4: He's been through like some chemo years ago, so we 120 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 4: were really really surprised that we even got pregnant. It 121 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 4: wasn't purposeful, It just kind of happened. It was a 122 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 4: very big deal to us because of the fact that, 123 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: you know, we were both kind of in shock about it. 124 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: Carla had already missed two periods when they made the 125 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: appointment with an OB. So on her first visit she 126 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: was given an ultrasound. 127 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 8: Got an appointment with my OB. We were at already 128 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 8: like nine weeks. We meet with OROB. 129 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 4: Before we go in to meet with him, they do 130 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 4: like an internal ultrasound, which is what they would do 131 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 4: typically at that time, just to see if there's a heartbeat, 132 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 4: and they couldn't find. 133 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 5: Carla was experiencing a phantom pregnancy and she didn't know why. 134 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 8: She still doesn't. 135 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 5: There aren't a lot of answers, partly because the condition 136 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 5: is so rare in this country, a fact confirmed by 137 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 5: doctor Baird. 138 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, it's very rare in the US. It's actually 139 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 7: more common in developing countries where a woman's fertility is 140 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 7: really an important part of like her value as a woman. 141 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 9: So you see a lot more of this in. 142 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 7: More developing countries where they are not able to get 143 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 7: pregnant and produce children, they feel that they're not valuable 144 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 7: and maybe perhaps like their partner would not stay with 145 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 7: them otherwise. 146 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: Making things more complicated is the fact that even the 147 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: doctors who treat pseudocyesis aren't entirely sure what causes. 148 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 7: It's a number of different kind of theories about what 149 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 7: causes pseudocysis. I think what's important to note is that 150 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 7: typically you have to look at the individual and kind 151 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 7: of think, what is this serving for this particular patient. 152 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 7: So a lot of times it's women that struggle with infertility, 153 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 7: or women that are coming to the end of their 154 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 7: fertility window and are realized, why I never had a 155 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 7: child and I really want a child. There's some kind 156 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 7: of underlying reason that they need to believe that they're pregnant. Also, 157 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 7: you know, looking at the research about pseudocisis and there's 158 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 7: not a lot. By the way, this association with sometimes trauma, 159 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 7: particularly loss, so not just loss of fertility, but like 160 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 7: loss of a child or even loss of a relationship, 161 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 7: loss of a parent. There is this need sometimes to 162 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 7: when you lose somebody that you're close to, wanting to 163 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 7: recreate a relationship or be close to somebody or have 164 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 7: some kind of you know, relationship to replace that one. 165 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 7: So there is this association with trauma. 166 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: So since pseudosysis is caused by trauma, I assume Carla's 167 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: doctors would offer her resources to support her. 168 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, in terms of the emotional support piece of it, 169 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 4: it seemed like that wasn't the focus at that time, 170 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 4: and obviously I was, like, you know, started crying really 171 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 4: hard and was super emotional about the whole thing. And 172 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 4: so as my partner, he made it very scientific, which 173 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 4: was upsetting for me. I think there's a little bit 174 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 4: of I guess like resentment, but he was he wasn't 175 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 4: as warm as I would expect like an obe to 176 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 4: be in a situation like that. 177 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: Carla immediately accepted in her mind that she was not pregnant, 178 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: and her body, in her own words, had just not 179 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: caught up. 180 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 4: It was just very shocking that my body like didn't 181 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 4: flu into the fact that there was no baby farming, Like, 182 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 4: why wouldn't our bodies recognize that? 183 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: Carla believed the doctors that there was no fetus in 184 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: her uterus. But that's not always true for everyone, Doctor Barrett, Again, 185 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: I think. 186 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 7: It depends on how much insight awareness the individual has, 187 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 7: Like can they look at the reasons why they developed 188 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 7: this disorder and what purpose it was serving for them? 189 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 7: Are they able to talk about and process whatever trauma 190 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 7: or loss or underlying reason that they developed this type 191 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 7: of disorder. I think that's really what matters some people 192 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 7: that don't have as much insight and can't really acknowledge 193 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 7: what's going on, and that would be a much more 194 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 7: difficult patient to treat. But someone that can really process 195 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 7: and look at the underlying kind of, you know, motivations 196 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 7: for developing this disorder, that's a treatable individual. 197 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: Additionally, pseudosiesis doesn't function in a vacuum. 198 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think from that perspective of realizing 199 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 4: that there was I definitely understood that there was a disconnect, 200 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 4: and I was very disappointed in my body, Like I 201 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 4: was very upset with my body because of the fact 202 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 4: that my brain understood that there was no fetus, but 203 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 4: my body just kept like there was no. 204 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 8: Connection to the two, which is insane. 205 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: For some women, even after it's unequivocally clear that they 206 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: are not pregnant, it's still hard for them to accept 207 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: that they never were. 208 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 7: Because I think if you get to the point of like, 209 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 7: there's somebody that can't acknowledge that this is not real, 210 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 7: that's almost more of this psychotic kind of delusional disorder. 211 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: Much like other mental health disorders, exists on a spectrum 212 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: with other mood and personality disorders. 213 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 7: Definitely depression, anxiety, borderline personality for sure. I think once again, 214 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 7: if we look at what's the theme with borderline personality 215 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 7: is the fear of abandonment or loss. So somebody with 216 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 7: borderline is definitely more likely to develop something like pseudocysis 217 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 7: as a way to maybe cope with loss and not 218 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 7: feel a loss or abandonment. 219 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: Can you explain briefly the difference between bipolar disorder and 220 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: borderline disorder. 221 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, so bipolar is a mood liability disorder, somebody that 222 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 7: experiences likeiods of mania and then severe depressed and they 223 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 7: need a mood stabilizer to really be able and orderline 224 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 7: is more of a it's a personality disorder. They are 225 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 7: kind of see the world in black and white, all good, 226 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 7: all bad. Everything split the idealization, Like they have this 227 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 7: fear of losing that person that they've idealized, the object 228 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 7: of relationship, the individual that's so ideal that they feel 229 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 7: they can't live without. But then eventually that person disappoints 230 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 7: them and then they become devalued, so they go from 231 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 7: being on a pedestal to being shit. 232 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: It was at this point that I shared with doctor 233 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: Baird the specifics about Christie's case. 234 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: Prior to now. I had not shared with. 235 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: Her the specific details, including that Christie went to the 236 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: hospital to give birth. 237 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: She was shocked, to say the least. 238 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 9: I mean this, Yeah, this. 239 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 7: I think it's interesting though, because she knew what she 240 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 7: was doing. Then almost borders on more of like a 241 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 7: factitious disorder, perhaps because she knows that she's deceiving. Unless 242 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 7: there's this split off part of her that that's possible. 243 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 8: Yeah, it is. 244 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 9: I think with somebody who's very borderline. 245 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 7: So the split there's a split off part of her 246 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 7: that is acting and doing these things, that part of 247 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 7: her is so split from the other part of her 248 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 7: that's believing she's pregnant and carrying these children, and so 249 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 7: those parts of her don't live in this integrated whole person. 250 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 7: They're split into almost two separate people. 251 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: Factitious disorder is when a patient intentionally falsifies medical or 252 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: psychiatric symptoms, similar to Munchausen or Munchausen by proxy. But 253 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: doctor Baird is also posing the possibility that Christy is 254 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: severely bifurcated or split, which would mean that only part 255 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: of her is intentionally deceptive while the other part believes 256 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: she's actually pregnant. 257 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 7: Yes, I need to like, that's another aspect of her 258 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 7: that's not integrated into the part of her that's posting online. 259 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 7: So these are two split parts really of her. I mean, 260 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 7: that's that's a severe border line for you. 261 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 9: Who's that fragmented? 262 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 7: Who? 263 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 9: Yeah, it's split off. 264 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 7: We all do this to some degree, Like we have 265 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 7: different parts of ourselves, right, but we're not so split 266 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 7: that they don't exist when there's one part that you know, like, 267 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 7: we all have different aspects of our personality, but usually 268 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 7: we're more integrated, so that like the part of us 269 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 7: that acts a certain way at the grocery store while 270 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 7: in line is the same as the part of you 271 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 7: that's like. 272 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 9: A professional in the office. 273 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 7: I mean that to me seems like I was going 274 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 7: because I'm like, if it's factitious, then what's her point? 275 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 7: You know, what's the point of just like, you know, 276 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 7: deceiving everybody. 277 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 9: Somebody that splits. 278 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 7: So much and splits off parts of you, they never 279 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 7: have to be confronted in a way, right, And if 280 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 7: you bring it to her, she'll be like, what, No, 281 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 7: that's not I don't know what you're talking about, you know, Yeah, 282 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 7: And the body goes along with it. 283 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: Christie's body carried her phantom pregnancy to the schedule due 284 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: date nine months of a powerful mind body connection. Was 285 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: there anything that could have given away that she wasn't pregnant? 286 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 2: In spite of my in depth quizzing, Jared didn't think so. 287 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: Did she get a period, not that I know of. 288 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: Did she have breast tenderness or breast enlargement? 289 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 3: She complained about it probably in the last three months. 290 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: How about abdominal enlargement like a beach ball. How about nausea. 291 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 3: It was terrible the first trimester, run to the bathroom 292 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 3: every five minutes. 293 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: How about weight game? 294 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 3: It was quick in the face at first, was what 295 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: I noticed was her face got very round, But then 296 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 3: it started going to the abdomen and that was kind 297 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: of all I noticed. 298 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 2: How about having to pee frequently. 299 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 3: All the time? It was even more constantly being sick, 300 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 3: really pull on a record to go to the bathroom, 301 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 3: find the next gas station, and I mean we would 302 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 3: only go fifteen minute trips. We had to stop to 303 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 3: go to the bathroom. I'm like, I've never seen anyone 304 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 3: else have to go to the bathroom. 305 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 2: Then, well, how about food cravings? 306 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 3: Ice cream, dairy queen? I don't know how many times 307 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 3: I'd got Dairy Queen at ten o'clock at night. She 308 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 3: always wanted to get one of those Snickerdodle blizzards' it's 309 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 3: a I don't know, it's just to have a priced 310 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 3: ice cream with candy in It. 311 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: Was Christie complaining about pain in her asiatic nerve during 312 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: her pregnancy. 313 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean it was so bad that she had 314 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 3: to go to a specialist massage lady for pregnant ladies 315 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 3: twice a week. 316 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 2: Christy checked off each box. 317 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 8: Her breasts were even leaking milk. 318 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 10: It was everything was crazy of how it was happening. 319 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: Jenny, Christie's former best friend, also witnessed the ways that 320 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: pseudo sayesis affected Christie physically. 321 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 8: Whenever Jerry's mom said, you're probably dropped. 322 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 11: Oh, when I tell you, it literally looked like it dropped. 323 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 8: It dropped. 324 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: The hospital staff was so concerned about Christy's behavior on 325 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: the ward that they decided to check her Facebook page, 326 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: and they agree with Jared and Jenny and everyone else 327 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: we talked to. 328 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: Christy looked pregnant. 329 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 3: So the AOC. While we were on the phone, she 330 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 3: also told me that they had looked at her Facebook. 331 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 3: They saw that I tagged her in that. They saw 332 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: the pictures. They had seen the picture of the placard 333 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 3: with the McGee what are they called onesies? They saw 334 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: that it was posted by me, tagged her in it. 335 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 3: All these people saw it. They had saw that she 336 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 3: looked pregnant, all these pictures like those maternity pictures. Yes, yes, 337 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 3: And she informed me that. And she didn't look like 338 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 3: the same person when she walked out of that hospital. 339 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: Christy didn't look like the same person when she was 340 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: escorted out of the hospital in handcuffs. 341 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 3: Bagon's gone. It was like you pump up the beach 342 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 3: ball and it gets a whole one and it's just empty. 343 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: Jenny also noticed after the births, Christie's pregnant belly disappeared. 344 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 8: Whenever we were at the rental house. 345 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 4: There was no sign the up a belly, just her 346 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 4: regular body act. 347 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: This piece of information was shocking to me, even though 348 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: I have no idea why it would be after everything 349 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: else Jared has told me, but it was. 350 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: I had questions. 351 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: Did Christie's belly deflate because she believed she gave birth, 352 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: or did her belly deflate as a result of the 353 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: confrontation she had in the hospital that led to her 354 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: being escorted out in handcuffs by two police officers. 355 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 3: I mean, when you're looking at these pictures we have 356 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 3: in front of us, I mean it's like, where does 357 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 3: that go? 358 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: Hospital administration checked Christy's Facebook page and learned that she 359 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: had spent the last nine months living as a pregnant woman. 360 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: Here's some of the posts they would have seen. This 361 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: is me reading Christie's posts to Jared. Picture of baby 362 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: clothes and some stuffed animals are two signs. 363 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 11: One reads adding a bit more love, the other reads 364 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 11: coming soon. 365 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 8: Comments beneath read congratulations. 366 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 11: Can't wait, so excited, so happy for you too. 367 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 9: We are over the moon. 368 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 2: Christie's aunt writes. 369 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 9: Hello, Christy, I did not know you were pregnant. 370 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 3: Wonderful. 371 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 9: Do you know what you're having on the expected date? 372 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 3: You look beautiful? 373 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 9: Lots of love, Aunt Kelly. 374 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 11: Christie responds, I'm pregnant with twins, a boy and a girl. 375 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 11: My due date is December seventh, but they won't let 376 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 11: me go past November twenty. First, it's been a long 377 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 11: time since seeing you. Miss you. 378 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: Here's a post of Christie's from June tenth, twenty a 379 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: picture of Christie's pregnant belly and a chalkboard reading. 380 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 11: Akron Babies ten weeks measuring three point two centimeters and 381 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 11: two point nine centimeters size of kumquats. 382 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 2: It doesn't stop there. 383 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 5: June twenty seventh. 384 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: A picture of Christie's pregnant belly and a chalkboard. 385 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 11: Reading Akron Babies thirteen weeks size of plums. 386 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: Another picture of Christie's pregnant belly, with the caption. 387 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 11: Big growing stage for the babies. Babies have popped off 388 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 11: mom's siatic nerve finally. 389 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: In all caps, and have moved so much better. Jared 390 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: was clearly uncomfortable with hearing. 391 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 3: Some of this anger. I mean lots of it, just 392 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 3: hearing her when you're saying it. All I hear is 393 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 3: her voice, remembering taking all those pictures, the time wasted. 394 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 3: It lies the sequel. 395 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: Finally, we have a picture of a very pregnant Christie 396 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: sitting on the floor of a super ador rible nursery, 397 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: looking at her watch with her mouth agape. 398 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 11: Sign reads me, I'm exhausted, Apple watch. You have taken 399 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 11: nine steps a day hashtag almost done all caps. 400 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 2: Did you build this nursery? 401 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 3: Yes, I'd probably have to say that it was that 402 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 3: I know that all that time in my life is wasted. 403 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 3: Nothing was what was genuine and true. And then that's 404 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 3: looking back on it, I feel like I wasted that time, 405 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 3: and I know I'm not going to get it back. 406 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 3: But just hearing that again kind of threw me for 407 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 3: a card fall, because I haven't thought of those words 408 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 3: until you read them up. 409 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: Jared talked to me about the last photoshoot they did 410 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: in the nursery that did not go particularly smoothly. 411 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 3: That was a disaster. I bet you. We had a 412 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 3: half hour wrapped up and taking that picture, fixing a 413 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 3: peg board. Oh I don't like the lighting. Oh my 414 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 3: belly looks weird. I'm like, it's a picture. It's yes, 415 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 3: you have them forever. But if you're that worried about 416 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 3: what other people perceive and oh it's not a perfect picture. 417 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 3: Are you looking for that picturesque life? But there had 418 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 3: to be every bit of hundred pictures I'd take. Yeah, 419 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 3: at the end of it, I'm just like, Okay, let 420 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 3: me hold the shutter. So just takes a couple hundred 421 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 3: of time. 422 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 5: And there was something about posting to social media that 423 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 5: made Christy change. 424 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 3: It was like a flip of a switch. Okay, let 425 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 3: me just stare at my phone for the rest of 426 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 3: the day tomorrow, there was no okay, yeah, I posted 427 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,959 Speaker 3: it for people to see. Yes, I understand that part, 428 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 3: but to obsess over. Oh look, they like this picture, 429 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 3: someone commented. I'm like, great, I just that doesn't appeal 430 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 3: to me. It's a waste of my time to sit there. 431 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: She would fall asleep playing on her phone. 432 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: Christy and Jerry did not get the same high off 433 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: posting on social media, and he believes that the thrills 434 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: and attention she received from posting as a pregnant woman 435 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: played a big part in what was going on with her. 436 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 3: Take a picture my belly. It doesn't look big enough 437 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 3: at this point. I'm just like, all right, I hold 438 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 3: the just shutter button where it takes a couple hundred 439 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 3: every second. I'm like, here you go, pick one out. 440 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 3: Because she wanted she was so into that in that chalkboard. 441 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 3: There was a chalkboard. She wrote like X amount of weeks. 442 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what, we'll just do it. Do 443 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 3: the shutters, you can take your picture. Made her happy, 444 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 3: but she was she was all into putting it all 445 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 3: over social media. Like wanted that attention one of that 446 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 3: Oh look, you're having twins. You're not just pregnant with one, 447 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 3: it's twins. And I think that goes into kind of 448 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: feeding that psychosis. 449 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: She was in nine months of post after post after post, 450 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: and then on December tenth, twenty twenty, comes the paramount post. 451 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: Christia's Jared post a picture of two babies she was 452 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: passing off as theirs, and Jared felt complicit. 453 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 3: Well, how did you get that board? I made that 454 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 3: peg board into this picture? Or did you just pull 455 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 3: some picture off the internet, photoshopped this in there, send 456 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 3: it to me, make me look like an ass on Facebook? Craft? 457 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 3: You wrote everything you told me to put. 458 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 9: In there, right, she sent you the caption. 459 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 3: Correct, the entire thing. I didn't put anything in there. 460 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: Copy and paste, copy and paste. 461 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: Almost four years later and Jared still has no idea 462 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: where Christy got the photographs that she asked him to 463 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: post announcing the arrival of their twins. 464 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 3: I mean, you look at those photos after I find out, Okay, 465 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 3: you didn't give birth. Where in the hell did you 466 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 3: get that picture from? Those were my ghey hospital onesies? 467 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 3: Did you find that on the internet? Did you take 468 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 3: that in person. 469 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: Jared was that alone in his quest to find out 470 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: where Christy found those babies. His best friend, Molly, was 471 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: determined to find out. 472 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 10: My dad had called me at work and had told 473 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 10: me that this was all a sham, and I was 474 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 10: very upset and angry, and so I was convinced that 475 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 10: I was going to prove that she was a liar. 476 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 10: I was at work at the time, and I had 477 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 10: my two associates with me. We were on Google for 478 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 10: the rest of our four hour shift trying to find 479 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 10: the picture of the babies. 480 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 3: We did a reverse image search on those pictures and 481 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 3: we could not find it. We did bing and Google, 482 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 3: but we tried to search and reverse search, and we. 483 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 10: Even went to McGee hospital facebook page and went all 484 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 10: the way back through all of their labor and delivery posts. 485 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 10: We tried Washington Hospital because they had the similar blankets, 486 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 10: and then there was some other place we looked too, 487 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 10: but we could I don't know where she got the 488 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 10: pictures because they weren't on the internet. 489 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 3: There was hundreds of comments, congratulations, let me know if 490 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 3: you need anything. It was all every place, and that's 491 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 3: just the way that kind of goes. And I just 492 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 3: I don't know how you can find that picture, hide 493 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 3: it from a reverse image search, get that photoshopped, and 494 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 3: send it to someone and pass it off as your own. 495 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's tough to understand. 496 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: Where did she find those babies and why did she 497 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: send them to Jared to post to the world when 498 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: they didn't exist. Like most things relating to Christy, we 499 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: were looking for answers, but with each answer, more questions 500 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: are raised. 501 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 3: Where was Where was her endgame? 502 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: We searched a long time to find someone who would 503 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: talk on record. Carla was similar to Christy and that 504 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: she had experienced a phantom pregnancy, but that's where the 505 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: similarities end. 506 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 8: So that was really shocking. 507 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 4: Obviously, when you're having some pregnancy symptoms and then you 508 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 4: know you're it's only nine weeks in, but you're kind 509 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 4: of expecting that you would hear a heartbeat. 510 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 8: You don't think anything's gonna go wrong. 511 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: For Carla and her partner Alex, the news from the 512 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: doctor was abrupt but true. 513 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 4: He basically sat down and said, I think I'm trying 514 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 4: to remember exactly like how it happened, because my brain 515 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 4: has probably blocked it out from like PTSD and so 516 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 4: he said, so we're not seeing a fetus. 517 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: Carla was told that even though her body is indicating 518 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: to her that she is pregnant, there is no fetus 519 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: in her uterus. 520 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 4: Still like looks like I still feel pregnant, look like 521 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 4: I'm pregnant. 522 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 8: I'm about I think eleven weeks in. 523 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 4: At that point, again, my body hadn't clued in to 524 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 4: the fact that there was no fetus. 525 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: Her doctor explained that her pregnancy symptoms should go away 526 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: now that she knows the truth. 527 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 4: I think the emotional process was difficult, but it was 528 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 4: It was something that really like worried me in terms. 529 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 8: Of my future. 530 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: Carla felt that this doctor was not as warm as 531 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: she would have thought he would be given the situation. 532 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: She felt resentment towards him for his indifference. Doctor Barrett 533 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: explained that, in her opinion, this approach to a psychosomatic 534 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: disorder is common and part of the problem. 535 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 7: I think we still have a long ways to go 536 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 7: as far as Western medicine and these psychosomatic disorders. I 537 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 7: think a lot of people that come in first of all, 538 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 7: presenting with a psychosomatic disorder. They come into like the 539 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 7: er with symptoms are misdiagnosed. This psychological component is missed 540 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 7: or it's just the set. They're told that it's all 541 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 7: in their head, they're not really experiencing real symptoms, which 542 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 7: they are. But yeah, there is a psychological aspect, and 543 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 7: I think that needs to be acknowledged, but not in 544 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 7: a way that's like pejorative, you know, in a way 545 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 7: that's like, we look at the holistic picture here the 546 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 7: mind and body, like if there's something going on physically, 547 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 7: and we don't see the medical kind of underlying origin, 548 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 7: and let's look at what's going on psychologically, you know. 549 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: Sadly none of that was explained to Carla. 550 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 4: Anyways, it was just very shocking that my body like 551 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 4: didn't flew into the fact that there was no baby farming, 552 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 4: Like why wouldn't our bodies recognize. 553 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: That it wasn't like her body wasn't showing symptoms. 554 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: It was real. 555 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 4: So I think I had missed my period and my 556 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 4: boobs were pretty like sore, Like I could tell like 557 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 4: physically things were kind of weird or off, so physically 558 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 4: I noticed that maybe something was like, you know, awry. 559 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: This was all clearly a very difficult experience for Carla, 560 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: but she still finds way to make light of it. 561 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 4: So it was pretty It was funny because I think 562 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 4: what we said the whole time, I had this like 563 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 4: I joked about it, which was so stuff, but I 564 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 4: had this feeling and I kept on joking about how 565 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, there's probably like nothing in my body, 566 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 4: like it's probably not even a real thing. 567 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 8: And then we get there and the doctor's. 568 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 4: Like, oh, there's no Like this baby has ghosted you, 569 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 4: is what we keep saying, Like it's ghosted us, it's gone. 570 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 4: It never it never like showed up to the party 571 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 4: that it was invited to in my uterus, and so 572 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 4: I feel like maybe deep down I kind of knew 573 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 4: something was off. 574 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 2: And for Carla, there was a light at the end 575 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 2: of the tunnel. 576 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 4: I've gotten pregnant since I have a baby, so we 577 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 4: have a fifteen month old. 578 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 8: He's very cute. 579 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 4: Just even after the fact, you know, it felt like 580 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,239 Speaker 4: I was very alone, and I think that's why I 581 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 4: wanted to like share with my family, because so many 582 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 4: women go through this without any support and it's really 583 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 4: disappointing and like hard for us. 584 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 8: It shouldn't be, you. 585 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 4: Know, I mean it should be, but we we should 586 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 4: be more open about it. 587 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 8: I would say, so that you don't feel as alone. 588 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 4: And I remember vividly thinking like how hard, how hard 589 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 4: this must be for women who don't have partners or like, 590 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 4: don't have any support system. 591 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: Carla attributes the fact that she understood and accepted that 592 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: there was no fetus immediately because she works in the 593 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: medical field and generally trusts doctors. 594 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that as a as someone who is 595 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 4: like kind of science brained, I would say that it 596 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 4: was much easier for me to come to terms with it. 597 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 4: I mean, it was shocking. I did ask questions like, 598 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 4: when is my body going to figure this out? 599 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 8: Is it? You would hope that your body would understand. 600 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 2: Not having any idea what Christy went through. 601 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: Carla expressed her opinion that she could understand how some 602 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: people might not accept what the doctors are saying. We 603 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: know that Christie was going to the hospital for doctor's 604 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: appointments regularly because Jared took her there. But what we 605 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: don't know is prior to the birth, how many times 606 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: was Christie told she was not pregnant. 607 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 4: It's just crazy how that like tie hasn't been made 608 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 4: in our bodies, that your body wouldn't pick up on 609 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 4: the fact that there's nothing growing in addition to your 610 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 4: brain being told that. 611 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 8: So for me, the connection was confusing. 612 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 4: I think I knew that there was nothing to be done, 613 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 4: like it was over. 614 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 8: I needed to move on. I needed to more. 615 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 4: I needed to get as much support as possible from 616 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 4: the people around me to be able to do that. 617 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 4: I think for someone who may not have or may 618 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 4: not be as like strong of mind or may have 619 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,959 Speaker 4: like other mental health issues happening, yeah, I could see 620 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 4: it definitely being something that would wouldn't at be feasible, 621 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 4: like you just wouldn't be able to connect because your 622 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 4: body is still pregnant, like you're still feeling hormonal. 623 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: I go back to doctor Baird and the possibilities of 624 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: Christie's mental health issues that her actions paint the portrait 625 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: of someone with severe borderline personality disorder. If those issues 626 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: did exist from a psychoanalytic standpoint, they'd have a strong 627 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: part to play in Christie carrying a phantom pregnancy for 628 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: nine months. If Christy did see a doctor and hear 629 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 1: the truth, did part of her mind just stow it away? 630 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: Was living the life of a pregnant newlywed posting every 631 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: pregnancy update for the world to see that important to her. 632 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 2: It's possible. Doctor Baird has seen similar. 633 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 7: It was a woman who had struggled with infertility for 634 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 7: years and finally was able to get pregnant and she 635 00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 7: gave birth and her child was very so and so 636 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 7: she then dedicated her life to taking care of this 637 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 7: very sick child that had a number of health problems 638 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 7: over the years, and it really destroyed her marriage because 639 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 7: she was so busy with the child and the husband 640 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 7: was working all the time. And then she got pregnant 641 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 7: again and she was so excited and then come to 642 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 7: find out it was a false pregnancy and she ended 643 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 7: up going to therapy really working on it, but realized 644 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 7: that she had this fantasy of actually having a healthy 645 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 7: child and that's what this child was going to be 646 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 7: for her, because she did have a child, but that 647 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 7: was caused trauma to her too, having a sick child 648 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 7: that she had to care for. So there was this 649 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 7: sort of underlying fantasy for her of what that pregnancy 650 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 7: was going to. 651 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 9: Be to her. 652 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 7: So I think for each individual that develops pseudosysis, you 653 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 7: kind of look at what fantasy they're trying to fulfill. 654 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 9: With the pregnancy. 655 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 1: In addition to trusting the science behind it, Carla says 656 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: it was the image on the ultrasound that caused her 657 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: one hundred per sent to accept what the doctor was 658 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: telling her. 659 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 4: I believed what I saw on the ultrasounds that photo, 660 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 4: because you're you're in the room while they're. 661 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 8: Doing an ultrasound and you can see it. They show you. 662 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 4: That there's you know what it looks like, and so 663 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 4: I could. 664 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 8: And now that I've had a baby, I can. 665 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 4: Tell obviously what the differences at like a nine week 666 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 4: scan versus you know, it's a little nugget versus the 667 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 4: missing baby nine week scan. 668 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 2: Jared's images of his babies too. 669 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 3: There were some pictures of sonograms. 670 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: Even at the gender reveal. According to Jared's friend Sarah, 671 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:45,919 Speaker 1: we had. 672 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 10: A gender reveal and she had real sonograms and I 673 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 10: remember looking at the sonograms and seeing her name. 674 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 8: And I was like, oh, her name's on it. 675 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 4: Obviously they're real sonograms because her name's on it. 676 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 8: She had one of each baby with her name on it. 677 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 2: The date, but the sonograms that Jared saw were fake. 678 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 3: It's nineteen ninety nine plus shipping. 679 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: At this point. The lines are completely blurred. Christy experienced pseudocyesis. 680 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: But she also faked your pregnancy. 681 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's pitch your perfect family, which furthest thing 682 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 3: from the truth. 683 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: And unfortunately for Jared, we haven't even begun to scratch 684 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: the surface. Next time on The Unborn, they called them 685 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: baby snatchers. 686 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 10: She had planned to kill the one baby off and 687 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 10: then since the one baby was said, bring another baby homes. 688 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 10: I think if she went through this whole nine months 689 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,439 Speaker 10: of tricking everybody, stealing a baby wouldn't be that far off. 690 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 8: I had seen her in person. 691 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 2: And you'd be like, oh, yeah, she's pregnant. 692 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 8: She's definitely got two babies in there. 693 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 2: You would never have known how happen. 694 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 8: It is a full blown psych disorder. 695 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 12: Police warrant her to the hospital when this was reported 696 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 12: that grandmother told me a woman posing as the mother's 697 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 12: sister came. He had dressed in scrubs and somehow removed 698 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 12: the baby from the nursery as the family was preparing 699 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 12: to be discharged. Today. 700 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 5: The Unborn is a production of iHeart Podcasts, Audio Up 701 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 5: and Jesuite Press productions. 702 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:40,399 Speaker 1: Created by Trisila Fotch and Frank Rodriguez mal produced by Alvin. 703 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 2: Cohen and Rachel Foley. 704 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: Executive produced by Jimmy Jellinek, David Dwaits, and Jared Gusta. 705 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: Edited by Gerard Bauer and Preston Dawson. Sound design and 706 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 1: mixing by Jeremiah Zimmerman.