WEBVTT - Joe Carr’s life and legacy. 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:05.880 Well, Gene also had to get underway in Here is 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:09.080 Ireland's Joe Car. You know, Joey's Joe Car has been 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.480 an outstanding player for many years. You'll notice that he 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.600 plays these T shirts left or right and he gets 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.800 the ball off a long way. Now he's playing that 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:25.439 small British polling tup or the large American ball. Joe's 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:27.159 had a very fine opening T shirts. You can't hit 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:37.480 it much out of than that. Put another log on five. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:48.200 Nobody here is getting tired. Welcome to the fire pit 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:53.280 with Matt Jonella. Always good to get back to this 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:57.040 fire pit. And for all you fathers out there, Happy 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:01.639 Father's Day. I love and appreciate my father. Happy Father's Day, 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:05.160 Papa John, but I appreciate him even more now that 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:10.000 I'm a father. We're not perfect, but we live, we learn, 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.679 and we evolve. So to the dad's out there, I 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:18.000 hope you enjoy your day. And to the moms, trust me, 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.280 we are all well aware we couldn't do it without you. 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.240 On this Father's Day. A tribute to Joe Carr, who, 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.240 along with his wife Dorothy, raised six kids in a 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:33.280 house overlooking the second Green of Sutton Golf Club in Dublin, Ireland. 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:38.320 The opening clip was from ninety four Shells Wonderful World 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.160 of Golf at Ireland's Killarney Golf and Fishing Club, in 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:45.039 which Joe Carr and al Geiberger both shot seventy four, 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.280 which was even part. Joe Carr was also known as 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.160 j B. He won three British Amateur Championships and was 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.840 a semi finalist at the nineteen sixty one U S 0:01:55.880 --> 0:02:00.160 Amateur at Pebble Beach. He won six Irish Amateurs, were 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.800 Irish Amateur Opens, twelve West of Ireland's twelve East of 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.120 Ireland's three South of Irelands, and he played in ten 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.800 Walker Cups. He was the first Irishman to become captain 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.160 of the RNA in and was inducted into the World 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.400 Golf Hall of Fame in two thousand seven by his 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:22.960 friend Jack Nicholas. I go back to nineteen fifty I 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.200 first met Joe car and played in the Walker Top 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:33.200 matches at Rearfield, Scotland. And there was this big, lanky, 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.679 raw boned guy that hit it a long way. He 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:41.080 played it all totally left or right. Uh hit a 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:45.960 long way, kept in play and Jack told me he 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.959 played a lot of golf with Joe Carr, and that 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:52.600 JB paid for a lot of Barbara's finest sweaters. JB's 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:54.799 sons will tell you he got his money back from 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.040 Jack at the poker table. Well, let's first way he 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.160 was he was not only a good player, he was 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:04.240 a great friend. And both Barbara and I, uh I 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.280 love Joe Car. We just we had we thought the 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:11.800 world of it, and uh it raised good kids and 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.040 uh so you know that's not that's not nothing too 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.320 bad about that. Nicholas told me he had great respect 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.760 and admiration for Joe Car the player and the man. 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:23.640 Jack shares a story now about his win at the 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.440 nineteen sixty two US Open at oak Mark, which made 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.040 me late entry for the Open Championship at Troon that year. 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:35.880 Joe Car to the rescue. I qualified my pairing, I 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.760 was added to the field. It was a hundred fifty 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:42.800 players plus Jack Nicholas. So I was. I was prepaired 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.560 by myself with the marker in the opening round of 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:51.080 the British Open. Be ridiculous. Joe Carr went to the 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.160 R and A S and this is a disgrace. I said, 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:58.040 how can you have the US Open champion over here. Uh, 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.720 you have no respect for the for the U s 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.200 g A, and they're they're champion to do this. So 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:09.800 they changed the part because Joe and I had played 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:14.040 in a threesome. Joe Carr had five sons and a daughter, 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.719 all within fourteen years of each other. Roddy, the second son, 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.080 is the most accomplished golfer, sinking the winning part for 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.440 Great Britain and Ireland on the eighteenth green of the 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.159 Old Course at St Andrew's in the nineteen seventy one 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:30.200 Walker Cup. Roddy played ten years on the European Tour, 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.880 later working for IMG, going into business with Sevy by 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.960 Osteros and has worked with Nicholas design. I asked Roddy 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:41.560 to reflect on his father, the competitor he would set 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.680 out to break the man. He couldn't tell me have 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.200 to do that, because he told me you played part, 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:47.760 and if you played part, you beat the guy. But 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:49.720 he and all he knew he couldn't have to do that. 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:53.919 And I watched him. Great people like bodies and minds 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.560 and souls were crushed because you'd be in the gore 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.040 plushes summer thinking and the guy be one up and 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:00.800 all of a sudden JA and hack out of this 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:05.599 thing with a forwood into about front. There. I was done. 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.360 I had two on and three button and the man 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.160 was lost. So he set out and he broke most 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.960 of it. He broke people. Marty Carr, the youngest of 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.640 the six car kids, is now the executive chairman of 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.359 car Golf Travel, a company that coordinates golf trips to Ireland, 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:23.279 Scotland and other top destinations around the world. Marty and 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.040 his staff run the Father Son and the Father Daughter 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.760 tournaments in Waterville, and I'm lucky enough to call him 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.600 a dear friend. Marty shares some more of his father's 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.920 golf accomplishments. First Captain of the Royal Ancient Gold of 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:39.000 St Andrews. There has been a kill one of the 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:44.280 captains since first Irishman, and he's the first Irishman. I 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:45.960 think he's the only first known the Irishman in the 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.480 World Golf Hall of Fame, first Irishman member of a 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:54.080 ghost to first Irishman to play in the Masters, So 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:57.400 you know he in terms of golfing terms, I think 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:02.800 you twenty eight honorary life memberships, thirty holds and one. 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.240 I think he had like Purty course records. He the 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.080 older than News and that is at the same time 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.640 he had port Rush record hol like all his course 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.520 records are on that big dish set of golf. Like 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:22.040 he he had an incredible, incredible record. John Carr, number 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.520 four in the family, made it to the semifinals and 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.479 a British amateur, has had a successful career in the 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:31.279 oil business and as a member of Augusta National. John 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.200 who still plays off the scratch on something most people 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.960 don't know about his father. I mean, listen, you could, 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.040 you could. You can list off his accomplishments in golf, 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.240 you can list off of the accomplishments in business. But 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.560 actually you know he got an honorary degree in law 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:52.440 from Trinity College having not finished high school and and 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.080 and went to play the East of Iron Championship instead 0:06:55.120 --> 0:07:00.080 of finishing exams. So I think that's pretty cool. Me 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.240 only you ever used it. I wouldn't say the name. 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.200 So there's two other un redoctorates in Ireland and he 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.640 would only ever use his doctor title when he was 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.360 when his assistant was ringing them for something, Doctor Carr 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:20.800 on the phone. Over the years, as I've traveled around Ireland, 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:22.960 I've become enamored by the fact that you can't go 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.120 into any clubhouse without seeing Joe Carr's name on the 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:31.040 walls of past champions. He's everywhere, which is ultimately what 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.880 inspired this podcast. I've always wanted to know more So, 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.880 in addition to Jack Nicholas, I interviewed Roddy, John and 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.880 Marty separately, asking them all the same set of questions. 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.040 Here's Roddy John and then Marty on when they realized 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.680 their father was great at golf. He was the man. 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.240 He was bigger than all the pros. So he was 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.640 in the final of the British Amateur INTI and like, 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:55.680 at that moment you really that he won the British 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.840 Amateur in Port Rush, you know, in front of his 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.320 home crowd and tomorrow into this guy over thirty six 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.520 holes and then the drive back, So driving back with 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:06.280 the old man, you kind of that was the first 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.920 real you know, realization that my father was the champion 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.000 that he was. And then they was dectinitely got back 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.240 in sudden they had a big dinner and then the 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.600 people waiting and he was parading around in open rolls 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.760 Royce down the streets of Suddon so you know, he 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.040 was a superstar in those days before media kind of 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.960 kicked in. So that was really the first memory. More 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.560 perspective from John Carr, he was just my dad growing up. 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:32.760 He wasn't he wasn't a famous golfer. I didn't really 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:37.599 appreciate it so much later in life. He was my 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.840 Irish captain when I played for Ireland are and we 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.440 went to Portugal after I left school to to play 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.680 golf with Henry Cotton. But again it was it was 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.439 just it was just growing up with that. It wasn't really, 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.959 you know, spectacularly special as far as our appreciation of 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.199 him as a confert. More from Marty, I think for 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.240 me it was when when I was at sports day 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:03.000 when I was in in lower high school, when my 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.120 dad arrived the hole of sports, they would stop and 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:08.800 the sports teacher, the headmas should go over. There would 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.280 be conversation with him when everybod's waiting around bridge. So 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:12.959 then I kind of us he was. He was kind 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:20.760 of a large like character. What's the swing tip that 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.360 you always think about or are quick to pass on 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.040 to others? Is there something as it relates to the 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.680 game of golf that in your mind when you tee 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:30.800 up a ball, or when you're over a wedge, when 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.000 you're over a plot, was there is there something that 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.800 has always stuck with you? We had John Jacobs as 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:40.600 our teacher, who is actually the fundamental teacher of Michael Bannon. 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.120 Butch Harmon, I mean Bush came over to his funeral. 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.200 He lives in our house, get side of eleven shoes 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.400 and the b six kids jumping on his bed in 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.040 the morning and stuff. So he would be the foundation 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.760 of all the great teachers and today. So so all 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.760 of the teachings were based on the simplicity of John Jacobs, 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.360 which were turned turn your shoulders, I got club goes 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.880 up and turned through. So that was it. So every 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:03.920 morning we would hit two hundred balls to be a 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.840 snake of balls, teeth up outside of our house on 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:08.600 the thing of jb would walk out in his track 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.920 suit and just go turn hit, turn, hit, turn hit. 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.160 So it was always just you know, and on the inside, 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:19.439 turn wide back inside, much like Jacobs, which is mcail roy. 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.760 So before John died, before Jacobs we call him died, 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:24.959 he's I said to him, you know, isn't that mcal 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.000 roy swing looks like this swing that you were trying 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.360 to get JB to do for years. He said, it's 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.480 the best I've ever seen. So there's kind of that 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.679 picture of set up, why turn and any inside and 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.880 let a RiPP and JB ripped it. So that's the 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.280 simple thoughts that he lived with all all his life. 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.280 He was a wonderful bunker player, and he kind of 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.240 he just got up very early. And he would always say, 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.199 lift the ball. You don't, you don't splash it at, 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.160 you lift the ball at. You lift the ball. I 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.040 have a rolling towards the boat. But obviously I wasn't 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:54.400 this thing very well as you can sail, because you 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.160 played a lot of golf for me, so I never 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.640 really have a better bunch of lifted out, lifted out 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:01.000 of the bunk around to try and hit it out 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.360 of the book and lifted out. And as a following 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:09.319 story for that, inbou nineteen he was referring a match 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.760 I think Roddy was commentating, actually a match between Jack 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:17.000 Nicklaus and Christie O'Connor, Dannam and Juliot and on the 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:21.000 second hold Jack short and short sighted himself in in 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.520 the bunker right, and he splashed this thing out to 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.240 about two inches. So after the game, I walked into 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.800 my dad said, down, for all of my life, you've 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.000 been saying lift the ball, lift the ball out of 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.280 the sun. And so the greatest god for the world 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:36.199 has ever seen as commun Juliot short sight himself on 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.960 two and splashed the all out to an inch, and 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.400 I said, jack is a terrible bunker player. You can 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.440 never play bunkers. And then I've had this conversation with 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:48.000 Jackie Jackson when it wasn't and I really just played 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.280 its play away from bunkers. I didn't I didn't think 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:51.439 I had to be good at get out about it. 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.040 So that's just the way he saw it. That's the 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:58.240 way he saw the world. The life tip that has 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.120 always meant the most. You've beyond the game of golf. 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:06.960 Outworked them. That was his male model, Like you know, 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:14.120 I worked them simple, It's like carry you know, I 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.040 mean maybe you know you think about it. I mean 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.520 he had a nine to five jobs, six kids. I'm 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.120 half dead trying to rear two. You know you're you're 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:26.560 you're only starting six kids, a nine to five job. 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.880 You get up in the morning. He'd hit two hundred balls, 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.160 get in this car, drive to work, come home after 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.120 at six o'clock, go out into the bunker with the 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.640 lights on it. Spent two hours there and then go 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:38.280 and hit another hunter of balls in the driving and 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.120 you come back in and go to bed. And every 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.800 weekend you're going to do eight hours stay digging up 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.440 half the practice. Gonna put my arnic until they banned them, 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.920 because he was like pac Man eating the practice ground 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.240 there with the amount of balls he took, you know, 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.000 and hit with the drivers. So that's all we were 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:57.680 ever taught, you know, outworked them. More perspective from John Carr. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.400 Very deep for me. I spent a lot of time 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.720 with my dad, maybe the last and fifteen twenty years 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.800 of his life. The biggest tip again which I passed 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.760 down to my kids and I've lived it's almost like 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:18.360 a life code. It's give expecting nothing in return. So 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:23.160 and I've lived by that creed and it's it's been incredible. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.800 It's an incredible gift to be able to give expecting 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:29.160 nothing in return. More reflections from Marty Carr. He was 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.480 an extraordinary man. He he you know, never really heard 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.599 anybody ever say anything negative about he was. He was 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.240 he was, he was He treated everybody the same. He 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.040 used to always say to us, you know you're better 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.760 than nobody, and nobody's better than you. Remember that in 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:48.040 your mind. What is JB's lasting legacy, Well, I think 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:52.480 without a doubt, and for him it was being awarded 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.760 the Bobby John's Award, which was for international sportsmanshipping an ambassador, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.840 international ambassador of goodwill and for the hegrity of the game. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.839 I mean he was invited by Bobby Jones personally to 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.120 play in nineteen sixties seven as the amateur in Europe 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.959 that Bobby Jones wanted to play at the Masters, and 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.559 they would have afternoon tea, Mary and Bobby and my 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.360 father and my mother door. They would have afternoon tea 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.960 every every afternoon because this was amateur to amateur in 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.320 those days, people forget the amateurs were big news. So 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.200 JB was kind of the counterpart for Jones as an 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.120 amateur obviously do what Jones did, but there was a 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.440 respect between Jones and my father. So he was really 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.920 really tough to get that Bobby Jones Award, acknowledging his 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:42.960 role in promoting international fellowship, integrity and sportsmanship, which is 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:44.680 what that award is all about. And there's not that 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.720 many names on that that are that. You know, everybody, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.280 everybody is on that has done their thing and and 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.560 deserved it. He went to sant Down's the nineteen fifty 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.800 eight as a fifties seven as a preview for the 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:02.600 amateur and and he played in NaN's and he came 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.000 back and he said to my mother, you know I 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:05.520 just figured it all that he said I have to 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.160 do and say that it is the driver and eight 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.600 are in a wet and you can win. So that 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.040 winter he hit fifty thousand drives, fifty thou and fifty 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.000 thou wages. My mom logged every shot he wore at 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.680 the face of a lanter topping driver or at the 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:20.200 grooves of his eight are in his wedge, and he 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.960 went over him on the tournament next to the next June. 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.960 So he had you know, again, he trained with football 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.960 teams in the fifties. You know, running he was, he was. 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.840 He ran every morning. You know. He used to have 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.640 his caddy would come and tee up a hundred bolls 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.280 outside our house on the golf course. When he got 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.960 up every morning he hit a hundred drives. He'd run 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.160 down the beach, come back and another hundred drives teed up. 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:45.680 He did another hund of drives and he get into 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.440 his car and we went to work. And when there 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.080 was a frost out, the caddy would use a kettle 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.080 of boiling water to break the ground so we could 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.240 tea up the hundred balls. So he was just a 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.680 prodigious worker. He worked so hard on his game. He 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.560 understood the game really well, and he loves people and 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:05.400 he loves completing, you know. That's why it was also 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.560 a very good catalyst for people's personality. So that's why 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.720 I think you get on to someone with Jack Nicklaus. 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.440 But I think his legacy was he was he was 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.960 a really really solid fair He was a great friend. 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:18.920 He tells a great story about the game of golf. 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:20.520 In his relationship with the game of golf. He said, 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.080 you know, he said, in those days, we had the 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.360 troubles in the North. And he said, you know, we 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.400 come from a trouble island. He said, you know, North 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:31.120 and South, Protestant, Catholic, you know all this all this conflict. 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:33.200 And he said, but you know, the beauty thing about 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:34.560 golf is it does a matter where in the words 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:36.720 you wire, you're standing the first team doesn't matter whether 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.480 you're black or white, Catholic or president. You know, nobody 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.480 cares all they one of those what your handicap is. 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.240 And then when you tell them, they don't believe you. 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:45.640 I know, if you go, you know, and you end 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:47.880 up being friends of the golf course. So I suppose 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:49.920 it does. It is the ultimate. It is the ultimate, 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:51.800 you know. I think, I think, I think. I think 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.200 his friendship and his and his fair sense of fairness 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.920 and a sense of equality. He was. He was. He 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:03.000 was truly a great guy. What would be your favorite 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:08.040 story about your dad's greatness, something that kind of encapsulates 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:12.879 how good he was. When dad was about eight, just 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:16.359 around the time when we were working on the book 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:21.560 Breaking a d I managed to find some archive footage 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:24.520 and I got it. I've got a lot of archive 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.320 footage of my dad in the early years. Well. One 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.760 of the one of the pieces I found was in 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:38.560 NT one Irish amateur final at Portmartik when he was 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.320 beaten by cessi Ewing. It was a kind of money 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.760 he was like there were archrivals of the day and 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.160 he was beating on the seventeen and he walked off 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.040 the green and he was smiling, and he shook everybody's hand. 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.560 And I used that as an example to my kids 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.320 to say, look at this man here walking up the 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.359 seven green. Has he won or has he lost? He 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.920 wouldn't know that, friends, And to me, that was the 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.639 greatness of the man. You know, he was a great competitor, 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:07.720 but he was a great winner, and he he was 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.560 a great wizard. So I think that's a great quality 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.000 and that's you know, as I said, I used that 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:15.480 as a guide to my kids. He played the Walk 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.639 up in sixty nine. I played in seventy one, so 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.560 we played for Leinster together. We only missed it by one. 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:21.960 We were really I was trying to get him to 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:23.800 hang out but like he was fifty at that stay, 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:25.639 so we were really trying to be a father on 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:30.000 sun job on that. So anyway, about nine nine he 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.240 sent me off to Florida to Pine Tree where crewman 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:34.800 can all to learn how to play out to that 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.960 that so I was there, came back to play in 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.000 the South of Ireland and I was a good player 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.480 then and I didn't make the cut to get into 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.159 the match play and he was confounded him because he 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.080 knew I was a good player, but like for him. 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:50.240 And he kind of came to me and he said, no, 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.440 you're going to caddy for me. And this was his 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.399 thirty nine championship that he you know, this is before, 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.000 and he said, I'm going to show you how easy 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.400 just to win one of these things. It's ridiculous. He said, 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:02.520 you're good enough to win, you can't even qualify. Now 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.480 you're gonna cartach for me. I'm gonna show you. My 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.159 favorite story is he's done on a hinch playing in 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.840 the in the South of Virlin against the semifinal of 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.200 the final the South of Ireland back in in the 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.840 late fifties and he's playing a match against old Fogerty 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:17.600 and Ruddy's on the bag. I'm sure Roddy might tell 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:19.880 this one better. He always had this thing in match 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.320 play with my mother, who would walk every hall with him. 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.320 When he got to three up, there's always too you know, 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:27.920 two matches morning afternoon, my mother would go in and 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:32.080 make the sandwiches for the car because no man alive 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.040 could ever get out, could beat you know, could beat 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.199 JB if you got three up, because nobody can ever 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.239 win four homes off and so match over three up, 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:42.680 not to mother mother, But head and make the sandwiches 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:44.720 for the afternoon match. Wait for him to come in. 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:46.640 He got at the car, half the sandwich, come out 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.360 and dust the next guy six and five, seven and six, 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.840 whatever it was. This was the scene. And we get 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:55.160 through and he says to me as we go along, 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:57.400 he said, now, he said, I'm I'm kind of two 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:00.040 up on the first team, and the guy's expecting to 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.080 be two down after four. You know, my job is 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.879 to make sure he is two down after four. We 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:08.560 get to the final and he's playing against No Fogerty, 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.480 his own book maker friend, you know, who only shook hands. 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.880 He shook the hand with these guys, no contracts or whatever. 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:15.840 And all was one of his great buddies from earlier. 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.200 And they had seven kids, and we had six kids, 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.400 and we're playing in the south to see but fog 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.159 and I was a fearsome friend of his, and he 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:24.119 was a good boxer, so he wouldn't have been intimidated 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:25.960 like a lot of the other guys that would have 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.080 fallen by the wayside, just on nerves alone. Like and 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.439 those those days it was rootless hand to hand combat. Right, 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.480 four thousand people, I've come back from America, caddying for 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.159 Poppy've justusted everybody along the way. Nobody got past the 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:42.560 fifteen hole. We're three down after five in the hinch, 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:47.440 and I'm like John chiggy chiggy cheeky, heading for the 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.560 dell hole, and I'm looking at the Pop was marching 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:54.480 along thousands of people everywhere as a pop. You know 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:59.880 that three down run? This isn't funny, is it? That's 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:01.920 do you know? You you're three down? Pop? Because I 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.280 was translating it the other way, you know, he said 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.120 what he said? What are you talking? If I don't 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:12.320 lose another hole, I win by two and one if 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:17.320