Speaker 1: Well, Gene also had to get underway in Here is
Speaker 1: Ireland's Joe Car. You know, Joey's Joe Car has been
Speaker 1: an outstanding player for many years. You'll notice that he
Speaker 1: plays these T shirts left or right and he gets
Speaker 1: the ball off a long way. Now he's playing that
Speaker 1: small British polling tup or the large American ball. Joe's
Speaker 1: had a very fine opening T shirts. You can't hit
Speaker 1: it much out of than that. Put another log on five.
Speaker 1: Nobody here is getting tired. Welcome to the fire pit
Speaker 1: with Matt Jonella. Always good to get back to this
Speaker 1: fire pit. And for all you fathers out there, Happy
Speaker 1: Father's Day. I love and appreciate my father. Happy Father's Day,
Speaker 1: Papa John, but I appreciate him even more now that
Speaker 1: I'm a father. We're not perfect, but we live, we learn,
Speaker 1: and we evolve. So to the dad's out there, I
Speaker 1: hope you enjoy your day. And to the moms, trust me,
Speaker 1: we are all well aware we couldn't do it without you.
Speaker 1: On this Father's Day. A tribute to Joe Carr, who,
Speaker 1: along with his wife Dorothy, raised six kids in a
Speaker 1: house overlooking the second Green of Sutton Golf Club in Dublin, Ireland.
Speaker 1: The opening clip was from ninety four Shells Wonderful World
Speaker 1: of Golf at Ireland's Killarney Golf and Fishing Club, in
Speaker 1: which Joe Carr and al Geiberger both shot seventy four,
Speaker 1: which was even part. Joe Carr was also known as
Speaker 1: j B. He won three British Amateur Championships and was
Speaker 1: a semi finalist at the nineteen sixty one U S
Speaker 1: Amateur at Pebble Beach. He won six Irish Amateurs, were
Speaker 1: Irish Amateur Opens, twelve West of Ireland's twelve East of
Speaker 1: Ireland's three South of Irelands, and he played in ten
Speaker 1: Walker Cups. He was the first Irishman to become captain
Speaker 1: of the RNA in and was inducted into the World
Speaker 1: Golf Hall of Fame in two thousand seven by his
Speaker 1: friend Jack Nicholas. I go back to nineteen fifty I
Speaker 1: first met Joe car and played in the Walker Top
Speaker 1: matches at Rearfield, Scotland. And there was this big, lanky,
Speaker 1: raw boned guy that hit it a long way. He
Speaker 1: played it all totally left or right. Uh hit a
Speaker 1: long way, kept in play and Jack told me he
Speaker 1: played a lot of golf with Joe Carr, and that
Speaker 1: JB paid for a lot of Barbara's finest sweaters. JB's
Speaker 1: sons will tell you he got his money back from
Speaker 1: Jack at the poker table. Well, let's first way he
Speaker 1: was he was not only a good player, he was
Speaker 1: a great friend. And both Barbara and I, uh I
Speaker 1: love Joe Car. We just we had we thought the
Speaker 1: world of it, and uh it raised good kids and
Speaker 1: uh so you know that's not that's not nothing too
Speaker 1: bad about that. Nicholas told me he had great respect
Speaker 1: and admiration for Joe Car the player and the man.
Speaker 1: Jack shares a story now about his win at the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two US Open at oak Mark, which made
Speaker 1: me late entry for the Open Championship at Troon that year.
Speaker 1: Joe Car to the rescue. I qualified my pairing, I
Speaker 1: was added to the field. It was a hundred fifty
Speaker 1: players plus Jack Nicholas. So I was. I was prepaired
Speaker 1: by myself with the marker in the opening round of
Speaker 1: the British Open. Be ridiculous. Joe Carr went to the
Speaker 1: R and A S and this is a disgrace. I said,
Speaker 1: how can you have the US Open champion over here. Uh,
Speaker 1: you have no respect for the for the U s
Speaker 1: g A, and they're they're champion to do this. So
Speaker 1: they changed the part because Joe and I had played
Speaker 1: in a threesome. Joe Carr had five sons and a daughter,
Speaker 1: all within fourteen years of each other. Roddy, the second son,
Speaker 1: is the most accomplished golfer, sinking the winning part for
Speaker 1: Great Britain and Ireland on the eighteenth green of the
Speaker 1: Old Course at St Andrew's in the nineteen seventy one
Speaker 1: Walker Cup. Roddy played ten years on the European Tour,
Speaker 1: later working for IMG, going into business with Sevy by
Speaker 1: Osteros and has worked with Nicholas design. I asked Roddy
Speaker 1: to reflect on his father, the competitor he would set
Speaker 1: out to break the man. He couldn't tell me have
Speaker 1: to do that, because he told me you played part,
Speaker 1: and if you played part, you beat the guy. But
Speaker 1: he and all he knew he couldn't have to do that.
Speaker 1: And I watched him. Great people like bodies and minds
Speaker 1: and souls were crushed because you'd be in the gore
Speaker 1: plushes summer thinking and the guy be one up and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden JA and hack out of this
Speaker 1: thing with a forwood into about front. There. I was done.
Speaker 1: I had two on and three button and the man
Speaker 1: was lost. So he set out and he broke most
Speaker 1: of it. He broke people. Marty Carr, the youngest of
Speaker 1: the six car kids, is now the executive chairman of
Speaker 1: car Golf Travel, a company that coordinates golf trips to Ireland,
Speaker 1: Scotland and other top destinations around the world. Marty and
Speaker 1: his staff run the Father Son and the Father Daughter
Speaker 1: tournaments in Waterville, and I'm lucky enough to call him
Speaker 1: a dear friend. Marty shares some more of his father's
Speaker 1: golf accomplishments. First Captain of the Royal Ancient Gold of
Speaker 1: St Andrews. There has been a kill one of the
Speaker 1: captains since first Irishman, and he's the first Irishman. I
Speaker 1: think he's the only first known the Irishman in the
Speaker 1: World Golf Hall of Fame, first Irishman member of a
Speaker 1: ghost to first Irishman to play in the Masters, So
Speaker 1: you know he in terms of golfing terms, I think
Speaker 1: you twenty eight honorary life memberships, thirty holds and one.
Speaker 1: I think he had like Purty course records. He the
Speaker 1: older than News and that is at the same time
Speaker 1: he had port Rush record hol like all his course
Speaker 1: records are on that big dish set of golf. Like
Speaker 1: he he had an incredible, incredible record. John Carr, number
Speaker 1: four in the family, made it to the semifinals and
Speaker 1: a British amateur, has had a successful career in the
Speaker 1: oil business and as a member of Augusta National. John
Speaker 1: who still plays off the scratch on something most people
Speaker 1: don't know about his father. I mean, listen, you could,
Speaker 1: you could. You can list off his accomplishments in golf,
Speaker 1: you can list off of the accomplishments in business. But
Speaker 1: actually you know he got an honorary degree in law
Speaker 1: from Trinity College having not finished high school and and
Speaker 1: and went to play the East of Iron Championship instead
Speaker 1: of finishing exams. So I think that's pretty cool. Me
Speaker 1: only you ever used it. I wouldn't say the name.
Speaker 1: So there's two other un redoctorates in Ireland and he
Speaker 1: would only ever use his doctor title when he was
Speaker 1: when his assistant was ringing them for something, Doctor Carr
Speaker 1: on the phone. Over the years, as I've traveled around Ireland,
Speaker 1: I've become enamored by the fact that you can't go
Speaker 1: into any clubhouse without seeing Joe Carr's name on the
Speaker 1: walls of past champions. He's everywhere, which is ultimately what
Speaker 1: inspired this podcast. I've always wanted to know more So,
Speaker 1: in addition to Jack Nicholas, I interviewed Roddy, John and
Speaker 1: Marty separately, asking them all the same set of questions.
Speaker 1: Here's Roddy John and then Marty on when they realized
Speaker 1: their father was great at golf. He was the man.
Speaker 1: He was bigger than all the pros. So he was
Speaker 1: in the final of the British Amateur INTI and like,
Speaker 1: at that moment you really that he won the British
Speaker 1: Amateur in Port Rush, you know, in front of his
Speaker 1: home crowd and tomorrow into this guy over thirty six
Speaker 1: holes and then the drive back, So driving back with
Speaker 1: the old man, you kind of that was the first
Speaker 1: real you know, realization that my father was the champion
Speaker 1: that he was. And then they was dectinitely got back
Speaker 1: in sudden they had a big dinner and then the
Speaker 1: people waiting and he was parading around in open rolls
Speaker 1: Royce down the streets of Suddon so you know, he
Speaker 1: was a superstar in those days before media kind of
Speaker 1: kicked in. So that was really the first memory. More
Speaker 1: perspective from John Carr, he was just my dad growing up.
Speaker 1: He wasn't he wasn't a famous golfer. I didn't really
Speaker 1: appreciate it so much later in life. He was my
Speaker 1: Irish captain when I played for Ireland are and we
Speaker 1: went to Portugal after I left school to to play
Speaker 1: golf with Henry Cotton. But again it was it was
Speaker 1: just it was just growing up with that. It wasn't really,
Speaker 1: you know, spectacularly special as far as our appreciation of
Speaker 1: him as a confert. More from Marty, I think for
Speaker 1: me it was when when I was at sports day
Speaker 1: when I was in in lower high school, when my
Speaker 1: dad arrived the hole of sports, they would stop and
Speaker 1: the sports teacher, the headmas should go over. There would
Speaker 1: be conversation with him when everybod's waiting around bridge. So
Speaker 1: then I kind of us he was. He was kind
Speaker 1: of a large like character. What's the swing tip that
Speaker 1: you always think about or are quick to pass on
Speaker 1: to others? Is there something as it relates to the
Speaker 1: game of golf that in your mind when you tee
Speaker 1: up a ball, or when you're over a wedge, when
Speaker 1: you're over a plot, was there is there something that
Speaker 1: has always stuck with you? We had John Jacobs as
Speaker 1: our teacher, who is actually the fundamental teacher of Michael Bannon.
Speaker 1: Butch Harmon, I mean Bush came over to his funeral.
Speaker 1: He lives in our house, get side of eleven shoes
Speaker 1: and the b six kids jumping on his bed in
Speaker 1: the morning and stuff. So he would be the foundation
Speaker 1: of all the great teachers and today. So so all
Speaker 1: of the teachings were based on the simplicity of John Jacobs,
Speaker 1: which were turned turn your shoulders, I got club goes
Speaker 1: up and turned through. So that was it. So every
Speaker 1: morning we would hit two hundred balls to be a
Speaker 1: snake of balls, teeth up outside of our house on
Speaker 1: the thing of jb would walk out in his track
Speaker 1: suit and just go turn hit, turn, hit, turn hit.
Speaker 1: So it was always just you know, and on the inside,
Speaker 1: turn wide back inside, much like Jacobs, which is mcail roy.
Speaker 1: So before John died, before Jacobs we call him died,
Speaker 1: he's I said to him, you know, isn't that mcal
Speaker 1: roy swing looks like this swing that you were trying
Speaker 1: to get JB to do for years. He said, it's
Speaker 1: the best I've ever seen. So there's kind of that
Speaker 1: picture of set up, why turn and any inside and
Speaker 1: let a RiPP and JB ripped it. So that's the
Speaker 1: simple thoughts that he lived with all all his life.
Speaker 1: He was a wonderful bunker player, and he kind of
Speaker 1: he just got up very early. And he would always say,
Speaker 1: lift the ball. You don't, you don't splash it at,
Speaker 1: you lift the ball at. You lift the ball. I
Speaker 1: have a rolling towards the boat. But obviously I wasn't
Speaker 1: this thing very well as you can sail, because you
Speaker 1: played a lot of golf for me, so I never
Speaker 1: really have a better bunch of lifted out, lifted out
Speaker 1: of the bunk around to try and hit it out
Speaker 1: of the book and lifted out. And as a following
Speaker 1: story for that, inbou nineteen he was referring a match
Speaker 1: I think Roddy was commentating, actually a match between Jack
Speaker 1: Nicklaus and Christie O'Connor, Dannam and Juliot and on the
Speaker 1: second hold Jack short and short sighted himself in in
Speaker 1: the bunker right, and he splashed this thing out to
Speaker 1: about two inches. So after the game, I walked into
Speaker 1: my dad said, down, for all of my life, you've
Speaker 1: been saying lift the ball, lift the ball out of
Speaker 1: the sun. And so the greatest god for the world
Speaker 1: has ever seen as commun Juliot short sight himself on
Speaker 1: two and splashed the all out to an inch, and
Speaker 1: I said, jack is a terrible bunker player. You can
Speaker 1: never play bunkers. And then I've had this conversation with
Speaker 1: Jackie Jackson when it wasn't and I really just played
Speaker 1: its play away from bunkers. I didn't I didn't think
Speaker 1: I had to be good at get out about it.
Speaker 1: So that's just the way he saw it. That's the
Speaker 1: way he saw the world. The life tip that has
Speaker 1: always meant the most. You've beyond the game of golf.
Speaker 1: Outworked them. That was his male model, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I worked them simple, It's like carry you know, I
Speaker 1: mean maybe you know you think about it. I mean
Speaker 1: he had a nine to five jobs, six kids. I'm
Speaker 1: half dead trying to rear two. You know you're you're
Speaker 1: you're only starting six kids, a nine to five job.
Speaker 1: You get up in the morning. He'd hit two hundred balls,
Speaker 1: get in this car, drive to work, come home after
Speaker 1: at six o'clock, go out into the bunker with the
Speaker 1: lights on it. Spent two hours there and then go
Speaker 1: and hit another hunter of balls in the driving and
Speaker 1: you come back in and go to bed. And every
Speaker 1: weekend you're going to do eight hours stay digging up
Speaker 1: half the practice. Gonna put my arnic until they banned them,
Speaker 1: because he was like pac Man eating the practice ground
Speaker 1: there with the amount of balls he took, you know,
Speaker 1: and hit with the drivers. So that's all we were
Speaker 1: ever taught, you know, outworked them. More perspective from John Carr.
Speaker 1: Very deep for me. I spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: with my dad, maybe the last and fifteen twenty years
Speaker 1: of his life. The biggest tip again which I passed
Speaker 1: down to my kids and I've lived it's almost like
Speaker 1: a life code. It's give expecting nothing in return. So
Speaker 1: and I've lived by that creed and it's it's been incredible.
Speaker 1: It's an incredible gift to be able to give expecting
Speaker 1: nothing in return. More reflections from Marty Carr. He was
Speaker 1: an extraordinary man. He he you know, never really heard
Speaker 1: anybody ever say anything negative about he was. He was
Speaker 1: he was, he was He treated everybody the same. He
Speaker 1: used to always say to us, you know you're better
Speaker 1: than nobody, and nobody's better than you. Remember that in
Speaker 1: your mind. What is JB's lasting legacy, Well, I think
Speaker 1: without a doubt, and for him it was being awarded
Speaker 1: the Bobby John's Award, which was for international sportsmanshipping an ambassador,
Speaker 1: international ambassador of goodwill and for the hegrity of the game.
Speaker 1: I mean he was invited by Bobby Jones personally to
Speaker 1: play in nineteen sixties seven as the amateur in Europe
Speaker 1: that Bobby Jones wanted to play at the Masters, and
Speaker 1: they would have afternoon tea, Mary and Bobby and my
Speaker 1: father and my mother door. They would have afternoon tea
Speaker 1: every every afternoon because this was amateur to amateur in
Speaker 1: those days, people forget the amateurs were big news. So
Speaker 1: JB was kind of the counterpart for Jones as an
Speaker 1: amateur obviously do what Jones did, but there was a
Speaker 1: respect between Jones and my father. So he was really
Speaker 1: really tough to get that Bobby Jones Award, acknowledging his
Speaker 1: role in promoting international fellowship, integrity and sportsmanship, which is
Speaker 1: what that award is all about. And there's not that
Speaker 1: many names on that that are that. You know, everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody is on that has done their thing and and
Speaker 1: deserved it. He went to sant Down's the nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: eight as a fifties seven as a preview for the
Speaker 1: amateur and and he played in NaN's and he came
Speaker 1: back and he said to my mother, you know I
Speaker 1: just figured it all that he said I have to
Speaker 1: do and say that it is the driver and eight
Speaker 1: are in a wet and you can win. So that
Speaker 1: winter he hit fifty thousand drives, fifty thou and fifty
Speaker 1: thou wages. My mom logged every shot he wore at
Speaker 1: the face of a lanter topping driver or at the
Speaker 1: grooves of his eight are in his wedge, and he
Speaker 1: went over him on the tournament next to the next June.
Speaker 1: So he had you know, again, he trained with football
Speaker 1: teams in the fifties. You know, running he was, he was.
Speaker 1: He ran every morning. You know. He used to have
Speaker 1: his caddy would come and tee up a hundred bolls
Speaker 1: outside our house on the golf course. When he got
Speaker 1: up every morning he hit a hundred drives. He'd run
Speaker 1: down the beach, come back and another hundred drives teed up.
Speaker 1: He did another hund of drives and he get into
Speaker 1: his car and we went to work. And when there
Speaker 1: was a frost out, the caddy would use a kettle
Speaker 1: of boiling water to break the ground so we could
Speaker 1: tea up the hundred balls. So he was just a
Speaker 1: prodigious worker. He worked so hard on his game. He
Speaker 1: understood the game really well, and he loves people and
Speaker 1: he loves completing, you know. That's why it was also
Speaker 1: a very good catalyst for people's personality. So that's why
Speaker 1: I think you get on to someone with Jack Nicklaus.
Speaker 1: But I think his legacy was he was he was
Speaker 1: a really really solid fair He was a great friend.
Speaker 1: He tells a great story about the game of golf.
Speaker 1: In his relationship with the game of golf. He said,
Speaker 1: you know, he said, in those days, we had the
Speaker 1: troubles in the North. And he said, you know, we
Speaker 1: come from a trouble island. He said, you know, North
Speaker 1: and South, Protestant, Catholic, you know all this all this conflict.
Speaker 1: And he said, but you know, the beauty thing about
Speaker 1: golf is it does a matter where in the words
Speaker 1: you wire, you're standing the first team doesn't matter whether
Speaker 1: you're black or white, Catholic or president. You know, nobody
Speaker 1: cares all they one of those what your handicap is.
Speaker 1: And then when you tell them, they don't believe you.
Speaker 1: I know, if you go, you know, and you end
Speaker 1: up being friends of the golf course. So I suppose
Speaker 1: it does. It is the ultimate. It is the ultimate,
Speaker 1: you know. I think, I think, I think. I think
Speaker 1: his friendship and his and his fair sense of fairness
Speaker 1: and a sense of equality. He was. He was. He
Speaker 1: was truly a great guy. What would be your favorite
Speaker 1: story about your dad's greatness, something that kind of encapsulates
Speaker 1: how good he was. When dad was about eight, just
Speaker 1: around the time when we were working on the book
Speaker 1: Breaking a d I managed to find some archive footage
Speaker 1: and I got it. I've got a lot of archive
Speaker 1: footage of my dad in the early years. Well. One
Speaker 1: of the one of the pieces I found was in
Speaker 1: NT one Irish amateur final at Portmartik when he was
Speaker 1: beaten by cessi Ewing. It was a kind of money
Speaker 1: he was like there were archrivals of the day and
Speaker 1: he was beating on the seventeen and he walked off
Speaker 1: the green and he was smiling, and he shook everybody's hand.
Speaker 1: And I used that as an example to my kids
Speaker 1: to say, look at this man here walking up the
Speaker 1: seven green. Has he won or has he lost? He
Speaker 1: wouldn't know that, friends, And to me, that was the
Speaker 1: greatness of the man. You know, he was a great competitor,
Speaker 1: but he was a great winner, and he he was
Speaker 1: a great wizard. So I think that's a great quality
Speaker 1: and that's you know, as I said, I used that
Speaker 1: as a guide to my kids. He played the Walk
Speaker 1: up in sixty nine. I played in seventy one, so
Speaker 1: we played for Leinster together. We only missed it by one.
Speaker 1: We were really I was trying to get him to
Speaker 1: hang out but like he was fifty at that stay,
Speaker 1: so we were really trying to be a father on
Speaker 1: sun job on that. So anyway, about nine nine he
Speaker 1: sent me off to Florida to Pine Tree where crewman
Speaker 1: can all to learn how to play out to that
Speaker 1: that so I was there, came back to play in
Speaker 1: the South of Ireland and I was a good player
Speaker 1: then and I didn't make the cut to get into
Speaker 1: the match play and he was confounded him because he
Speaker 1: knew I was a good player, but like for him.
Speaker 1: And he kind of came to me and he said, no,
Speaker 1: you're going to caddy for me. And this was his
Speaker 1: thirty nine championship that he you know, this is before,
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm going to show you how easy
Speaker 1: just to win one of these things. It's ridiculous. He said,
Speaker 1: you're good enough to win, you can't even qualify. Now
Speaker 1: you're gonna cartach for me. I'm gonna show you. My
Speaker 1: favorite story is he's done on a hinch playing in
Speaker 1: the in the South of Virlin against the semifinal of
Speaker 1: the final the South of Ireland back in in the
Speaker 1: late fifties and he's playing a match against old Fogerty
Speaker 1: and Ruddy's on the bag. I'm sure Roddy might tell
Speaker 1: this one better. He always had this thing in match
Speaker 1: play with my mother, who would walk every hall with him.
Speaker 1: When he got to three up, there's always too you know,
Speaker 1: two matches morning afternoon, my mother would go in and
Speaker 1: make the sandwiches for the car because no man alive
Speaker 1: could ever get out, could beat you know, could beat
Speaker 1: JB if you got three up, because nobody can ever
Speaker 1: win four homes off and so match over three up,
Speaker 1: not to mother mother, But head and make the sandwiches
Speaker 1: for the afternoon match. Wait for him to come in.
Speaker 1: He got at the car, half the sandwich, come out
Speaker 1: and dust the next guy six and five, seven and six,
Speaker 1: whatever it was. This was the scene. And we get
Speaker 1: through and he says to me as we go along,
Speaker 1: he said, now, he said, I'm I'm kind of two
Speaker 1: up on the first team, and the guy's expecting to
Speaker 1: be two down after four. You know, my job is
Speaker 1: to make sure he is two down after four. We
Speaker 1: get to the final and he's playing against No Fogerty,
Speaker 1: his own book maker friend, you know, who only shook hands.
Speaker 1: He shook the hand with these guys, no contracts or whatever.
Speaker 1: And all was one of his great buddies from earlier.
Speaker 1: And they had seven kids, and we had six kids,
Speaker 1: and we're playing in the south to see but fog
Speaker 1: and I was a fearsome friend of his, and he
Speaker 1: was a good boxer, so he wouldn't have been intimidated
Speaker 1: like a lot of the other guys that would have
Speaker 1: fallen by the wayside, just on nerves alone. Like and
Speaker 1: those those days it was rootless hand to hand combat. Right,
Speaker 1: four thousand people, I've come back from America, caddying for
Speaker 1: Poppy've justusted everybody along the way. Nobody got past the
Speaker 1: fifteen hole. We're three down after five in the hinch,
Speaker 1: and I'm like John chiggy chiggy cheeky, heading for the
Speaker 1: dell hole, and I'm looking at the Pop was marching
Speaker 1: along thousands of people everywhere as a pop. You know
Speaker 1: that three down run? This isn't funny, is it? That's
Speaker 1: do you know? You you're three down? Pop? Because I
Speaker 1: was translating it the other way, you know, he said
Speaker 1: what he said? What are you talking? If I don't
Speaker 1: lose another hole, I win by two and one if
Speaker 1: I don't lose another hole. It was an incredible strategy.
Speaker 1: Didn't go chasing. I didn't say I gotta win. He
Speaker 1: hung around. He was man to man, don't go chasing.
Speaker 1: Then you go four down, you go five down. Part
Speaker 1: party man throws the one back, part part throws another
Speaker 1: one back. Things going to court, the plan, No panic,
Speaker 1: back to one down with five to go, perfectly on schedule.
Speaker 1: No panic. What's whoever saw we get? It's two drivers
Speaker 1: onto the third thing to think in three pots that
Speaker 1: you know, which upset him a little bit. Well, one
Speaker 1: down the sixteen part three. And at this stage, like
Speaker 1: he had trained me with yardages, books, you know, measurements everything,
Speaker 1: he didn't do that never just what he couldn't do.
Speaker 1: So I get up to the seventies and then throwing
Speaker 1: the grass up, not funny, four tailsand people it says,
Speaker 1: I said, pop, it's a hundred and seventy five. One
Speaker 1: club wins one club elevation. He said, eight iron, eight iron,
Speaker 1: eight iron, because that's the shot. He saw, a raking
Speaker 1: hook with a divid two foot long, you know, driven
Speaker 1: into the wind, you know whatever. Anyway, if he lis
Speaker 1: this thing, it plugs under the face of this seaside
Speaker 1: bunker as and you can barely see, like an egg pitch.
Speaker 1: Now fo gets up with a fore iron and hits
Speaker 1: this kind of a chokey hook that scrambled down to
Speaker 1: the front of the green. Not funny, one down, three
Speaker 1: to play, you know, plugged in the face of the bunk.
Speaker 1: Here man at the front edge of the green forty away,
Speaker 1: get down into the bunker. I look at it, and,
Speaker 1: as I would always do, thinking what's the best I
Speaker 1: could do here? I'm thinking I couldn't see the bone,
Speaker 1: never mind moved JB had a club called the Monster,
Speaker 1: which had a flange on it was a big, huge
Speaker 1: flag of the old days. So he gets into the bunker.
Speaker 1: He lifted the front of the bunker onto the green.
Speaker 1: The whole the ball then burst out at the debris
Speaker 1: and then trickled itself out of the debris. Literally half
Speaker 1: the bunker face ended up on the game. The ball
Speaker 1: first for about two feet inside of fog you know what.
Speaker 1: Fogerty was the guy's name. So I'm thinking, Jesus, how
Speaker 1: do we lifted out there? So anyway, just about Fogo
Speaker 1: puts it up to four ft little choky you can
Speaker 1: feel it, and JBB the know to be, you know,
Speaker 1: on that stuff. So just JB is just about to
Speaker 1: put the Angelus goes. It is twelve o'clock in the hinge.
Speaker 1: Twelve o'clock the prayer, the Angelus. Everybody's wearing hats in
Speaker 1: those days, so everything stops. The crowds of those days
Speaker 1: were bigger than the crowds and professional tournaments in Europe now,
Speaker 1: so it was extradited. But five thousand people around the green,
Speaker 1: the Angela spells on the local church ring. Everybody gets
Speaker 1: down on their hands and these and they say the
Speaker 1: decade of the Rosary, right, so they will marry for
Speaker 1: the grace. Caddy puts the pin down, named the fathers
Speaker 1: son of the Holly, the angel Lord. It's it's a
Speaker 1: six minute prayer. You know. Hats are on the things.
Speaker 1: I'm signed with the bag looking around this scene. No
Speaker 1: one I'm supposed to have my head bout thinking choking me.
Speaker 1: You know this is crazy. But so I look over
Speaker 1: at JP, and JP wing set me to myself. What
Speaker 1: has he got to wink at the amounts up there?
Speaker 1: Four ft, he's thirty five ft. He's one dawn with
Speaker 1: three to play. Not funny. So anyway, Andel has finished
Speaker 1: his hats go back on. Things settled down again. JP
Speaker 1: goes up, breaks the back of the hole. Paul goes in,
Speaker 1: your man, your janks at two ft left, you know win.
Speaker 1: He hooked it out of bounds in the next hole.
Speaker 1: We win the championship. He is dy a big week
Speaker 1: and they moved on and he won the tournament and
Speaker 1: the driving back of the car j he says, ready,
Speaker 1: that's not how to win a championship. Cut. I'm driving
Speaker 1: home that night. The six of us in this mark
Speaker 1: for speeding at a. I'm looking in the mirror JB's eyes.
Speaker 1: I said, how did you know, Pop? How did you know?
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna hold it? He said, what I said,
Speaker 1: how did you know? You winked at me? He said,
Speaker 1: should he left the door open? Didn't he? And that's
Speaker 1: that's man of the manor that's when you understood about
Speaker 1: your old man and funny No. Further on down the
Speaker 1: road we ended up sliding off the end of the road.
Speaker 1: We went to the Curlews. In those days, they were
Speaker 1: all slides, and then we were driving the car slid
Speaker 1: off the side of the road. So Fogo, the guy
Speaker 1: you beat in the final was driving by with the
Speaker 1: seven kids in the back of the carrier, the station wagon,
Speaker 1: and he pulls over. He sees jbs car slid down
Speaker 1: kind of a side of the DNS. Okay. He phones
Speaker 1: down the window and he says, Joe, you can't keep
Speaker 1: it on the fairway and you can't keep it on
Speaker 1: the road. Good luck and prove what would you believe?
Speaker 1: He's most proud of in terms of you in your life.
Speaker 1: He couldn't ever understand how I failed on the tour,
Speaker 1: because he knew how good a player was I could
Speaker 1: beat the kite from Watson and those guys in the
Speaker 1: Walker Cup and stuff like that. But when I went
Speaker 1: to the tour, I started, so that would be the
Speaker 1: public the area that he could never come to terms with.
Speaker 1: I think the fact that I ended up going off
Speaker 1: and then developing another career thanks to Mark for comic
Speaker 1: getting my I calling my Harvard education, he kind of
Speaker 1: liked that. And then I ended up kind of with
Speaker 1: Sevy and and working with Jack and bringing Jack to
Speaker 1: Ireland to play, you know, play there for the first time.
Speaker 1: So things like that that he kind of got along
Speaker 1: the way that he would have. In fact that I
Speaker 1: stayed in golf and was in the top end of
Speaker 1: the management and promoting tour events, running Ryder Cups, Solheim
Speaker 1: Cups and stuff like that, that all gave him a
Speaker 1: bit of a buzz. He was happy for me to
Speaker 1: get memberships of someone golf clubs. He liked that. But
Speaker 1: so generally, I think he was very proud of all
Speaker 1: of us in his own way. Probably the ones of
Speaker 1: us who played golf at a higher level had a
Speaker 1: slightly better peek behind the curtain and some of the others,
Speaker 1: you know, we got to know him a little bit
Speaker 1: better because he was always even. I remember the last
Speaker 1: time I seven, Ronny played golf with my dad. You know,
Speaker 1: Ronny hit this beautiful feathered seven iron on the eighth
Speaker 1: of Port Marnoch. It was just a magnificent shot and
Speaker 1: like that made my dad totally happy, the fact that
Speaker 1: Roddy could execute that shot, and he knew exactly the
Speaker 1: talented too to feel it. You know, the talented took
Speaker 1: to move the ball left or right, the talented took
Speaker 1: to stop it. So I think he was proud of
Speaker 1: every good golf shop we've ever hit. I think he
Speaker 1: was very proud of our of our kids and those
Speaker 1: that they were born when he was alive, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, he's just very proud of all of us.
Speaker 1: I didn't really get to know very well until I
Speaker 1: came back to the States in nine, right. I was
Speaker 1: always the kind of the rebel son who was aver
Speaker 1: the very it was. It was a huge about of
Speaker 1: good news coming from very good as usually it was
Speaker 1: usually a cash call or so. So I would say
Speaker 1: I got to know when I came back in and
Speaker 1: when I set up car Golf. He really he kind
Speaker 1: of retired that stage. So was there really something that
Speaker 1: you know, I ended up generating a very close relationship
Speaker 1: with him on and he was very old school, but
Speaker 1: certainly as the father and son developed, and and and
Speaker 1: he came out and kind of met you know, groups
Speaker 1: of people or met him in Portmarnick or Sucon golf club.
Speaker 1: He I think he got a really really good sense
Speaker 1: of pride. It gave him, It gave him a kind
Speaker 1: of a second a second run of it. I think
Speaker 1: that's that's probably what he's most proud of in terms
Speaker 1: of me in our relationship in later life. Like it
Speaker 1: was a very competitive man and you know, he didn't
Speaker 1: really mind what you were doing as long as you
Speaker 1: was a sas that. How about your mom? Where does
Speaker 1: she fit in all this? She was incredible. She managed
Speaker 1: him in those days there was no management of amateurs
Speaker 1: or anything, but she managed his brand. So she would
Speaker 1: like four hundred postcards every Christmas, handwritten with a photograph
Speaker 1: of the family, and send everybody he had met. She
Speaker 1: had the most beautiful handwriting. She wrote everybody that he
Speaker 1: ever met her stayed with. So she was the actual
Speaker 1: and this was just good manners in those days, but
Speaker 1: that actually established Joe Carr as the famous individual that
Speaker 1: he was. She was like superwoman, you know. She basically
Speaker 1: she had six kids. She hit the ball about a
Speaker 1: hundred yards off the tree. She could don a twelve handicap.
Speaker 1: They won like seven all Ireland Mixed forces together. She
Speaker 1: hit him a hundred chards down the fairway. Here's like
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty yards on the green. She was
Speaker 1: the best potter in the family, a little blade potter,
Speaker 1: used to cut the ball, always kept her head study
Speaker 1: so so that she basically was an amazing golfer for
Speaker 1: for the for the distance she hit the ball. She
Speaker 1: ran his whole life and she ran our house with
Speaker 1: six kids. She was an amazing an amazing woman. Unfortunately
Speaker 1: left us in notteen seventy six too early, but but
Speaker 1: she was a power behind the throne. Definitely he was driven.
Speaker 1: He was definitely driven. He was adopted. He came from
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. He worked, He left school at fifteen and
Speaker 1: cared for his mother. He you know, he would have
Speaker 1: said address as he practiced hard. He literally literally just
Speaker 1: beat his way out of Vichy Core, which is not
Speaker 1: He's probably one of the least after places in Ireland,
Speaker 1: you know, so he he did it on himself and
Speaker 1: he married, well he married, he married my mother who
Speaker 1: was who was a saint. This podcast is called the
Speaker 1: fire Pit because it's the kind of stories you'd want
Speaker 1: to be. You know, here tell around a part. But
Speaker 1: do you have a favorite fire pit? And why what
Speaker 1: about a pillage at the moment, buddy, I actually have
Speaker 1: an American friend, Andy Pierce, and we get together every year.
Speaker 1: He worked with me an I MG and he he
Speaker 1: had a group of you call it the Creechy group,
Speaker 1: and they're a bunch of kind of main fellas who
Speaker 1: went to college in Bowden. I have my four retrobate
Speaker 1: friends who are the shoeman, the music man, the stockman,
Speaker 1: and myself who are from all box to life. We've
Speaker 1: kind of joined together and we get together every year
Speaker 1: and we have He's into pitch, so I really everywhere
Speaker 1: we go we build this pit fire and we sit
Speaker 1: around the drinking and talent stories. So when you when
Speaker 1: I saw the name of the fire Pit, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have known that as Ireland and Ireland as you know,
Speaker 1: it's the public public fire pits. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: putch their arms as the fire piers in Bodeville, right,
Speaker 1: And there's a little small fire in the corner which
Speaker 1: kind of does his job with anything else, puts the
Speaker 1: pub in and and then yeah, but the fire pit
Speaker 1: of me is the one of them are which I
Speaker 1: have a far outside my back door. It's a far place.
Speaker 1: And during the lockdown, we've had lots of sing songs
Speaker 1: and drinks and load music and you know, annoying the
Speaker 1: neighbors and stuff happening on our fire pits. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: we have. We we led a quite a lot. In fact,
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