1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Well, Gene also had to get underway in Here is 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Ireland's Joe Car. You know, Joey's Joe Car has been 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: an outstanding player for many years. You'll notice that he 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: plays these T shirts left or right and he gets 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: the ball off a long way. Now he's playing that 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: small British polling tup or the large American ball. Joe's 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: had a very fine opening T shirts. You can't hit 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: it much out of than that. Put another log on five. 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: Nobody here is getting tired. Welcome to the fire pit 10 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: with Matt Jonella. Always good to get back to this 11 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: fire pit. And for all you fathers out there, Happy 12 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 1: Father's Day. I love and appreciate my father. Happy Father's Day, 13 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: Papa John, but I appreciate him even more now that 14 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: I'm a father. We're not perfect, but we live, we learn, 15 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: and we evolve. So to the dad's out there, I 16 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: hope you enjoy your day. And to the moms, trust me, 17 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: we are all well aware we couldn't do it without you. 18 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: On this Father's Day. A tribute to Joe Carr, who, 19 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: along with his wife Dorothy, raised six kids in a 20 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: house overlooking the second Green of Sutton Golf Club in Dublin, Ireland. 21 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: The opening clip was from ninety four Shells Wonderful World 22 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: of Golf at Ireland's Killarney Golf and Fishing Club, in 23 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: which Joe Carr and al Geiberger both shot seventy four, 24 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: which was even part. Joe Carr was also known as 25 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: j B. He won three British Amateur Championships and was 26 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: a semi finalist at the nineteen sixty one U S 27 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: Amateur at Pebble Beach. He won six Irish Amateurs, were 28 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: Irish Amateur Opens, twelve West of Ireland's twelve East of 29 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: Ireland's three South of Irelands, and he played in ten 30 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: Walker Cups. He was the first Irishman to become captain 31 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: of the RNA in and was inducted into the World 32 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: Golf Hall of Fame in two thousand seven by his 33 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: friend Jack Nicholas. I go back to nineteen fifty I 34 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: first met Joe car and played in the Walker Top 35 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: matches at Rearfield, Scotland. And there was this big, lanky, 36 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: raw boned guy that hit it a long way. He 37 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: played it all totally left or right. Uh hit a 38 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: long way, kept in play and Jack told me he 39 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: played a lot of golf with Joe Carr, and that 40 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: JB paid for a lot of Barbara's finest sweaters. JB's 41 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: sons will tell you he got his money back from 42 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: Jack at the poker table. Well, let's first way he 43 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: was he was not only a good player, he was 44 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: a great friend. And both Barbara and I, uh I 45 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: love Joe Car. We just we had we thought the 46 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: world of it, and uh it raised good kids and 47 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: uh so you know that's not that's not nothing too 48 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: bad about that. Nicholas told me he had great respect 49 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: and admiration for Joe Car the player and the man. 50 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: Jack shares a story now about his win at the 51 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two US Open at oak Mark, which made 52 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: me late entry for the Open Championship at Troon that year. 53 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: Joe Car to the rescue. I qualified my pairing, I 54 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: was added to the field. It was a hundred fifty 55 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: players plus Jack Nicholas. So I was. I was prepaired 56 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: by myself with the marker in the opening round of 57 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: the British Open. Be ridiculous. Joe Carr went to the 58 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: R and A S and this is a disgrace. I said, 59 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: how can you have the US Open champion over here. Uh, 60 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: you have no respect for the for the U s 61 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: g A, and they're they're champion to do this. So 62 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: they changed the part because Joe and I had played 63 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: in a threesome. Joe Carr had five sons and a daughter, 64 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: all within fourteen years of each other. Roddy, the second son, 65 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: is the most accomplished golfer, sinking the winning part for 66 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: Great Britain and Ireland on the eighteenth green of the 67 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: Old Course at St Andrew's in the nineteen seventy one 68 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: Walker Cup. Roddy played ten years on the European Tour, 69 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: later working for IMG, going into business with Sevy by 70 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: Osteros and has worked with Nicholas design. I asked Roddy 71 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: to reflect on his father, the competitor he would set 72 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: out to break the man. He couldn't tell me have 73 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: to do that, because he told me you played part, 74 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: and if you played part, you beat the guy. But 75 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: he and all he knew he couldn't have to do that. 76 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: And I watched him. Great people like bodies and minds 77 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: and souls were crushed because you'd be in the gore 78 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: plushes summer thinking and the guy be one up and 79 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: all of a sudden JA and hack out of this 80 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: thing with a forwood into about front. There. I was done. 81 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: I had two on and three button and the man 82 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: was lost. So he set out and he broke most 83 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: of it. He broke people. Marty Carr, the youngest of 84 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: the six car kids, is now the executive chairman of 85 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: car Golf Travel, a company that coordinates golf trips to Ireland, 86 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: Scotland and other top destinations around the world. Marty and 87 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: his staff run the Father Son and the Father Daughter 88 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: tournaments in Waterville, and I'm lucky enough to call him 89 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: a dear friend. Marty shares some more of his father's 90 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: golf accomplishments. First Captain of the Royal Ancient Gold of 91 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: St Andrews. There has been a kill one of the 92 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: captains since first Irishman, and he's the first Irishman. I 93 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: think he's the only first known the Irishman in the 94 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: World Golf Hall of Fame, first Irishman member of a 95 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: ghost to first Irishman to play in the Masters, So 96 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: you know he in terms of golfing terms, I think 97 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: you twenty eight honorary life memberships, thirty holds and one. 98 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: I think he had like Purty course records. He the 99 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: older than News and that is at the same time 100 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: he had port Rush record hol like all his course 101 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: records are on that big dish set of golf. Like 102 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: he he had an incredible, incredible record. John Carr, number 103 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: four in the family, made it to the semifinals and 104 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: a British amateur, has had a successful career in the 105 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: oil business and as a member of Augusta National. John 106 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: who still plays off the scratch on something most people 107 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: don't know about his father. I mean, listen, you could, 108 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: you could. You can list off his accomplishments in golf, 109 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: you can list off of the accomplishments in business. But 110 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: actually you know he got an honorary degree in law 111 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: from Trinity College having not finished high school and and 112 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: and went to play the East of Iron Championship instead 113 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: of finishing exams. So I think that's pretty cool. Me 114 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: only you ever used it. I wouldn't say the name. 115 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: So there's two other un redoctorates in Ireland and he 116 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: would only ever use his doctor title when he was 117 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: when his assistant was ringing them for something, Doctor Carr 118 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: on the phone. Over the years, as I've traveled around Ireland, 119 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: I've become enamored by the fact that you can't go 120 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: into any clubhouse without seeing Joe Carr's name on the 121 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: walls of past champions. He's everywhere, which is ultimately what 122 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: inspired this podcast. I've always wanted to know more So, 123 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: in addition to Jack Nicholas, I interviewed Roddy, John and 124 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: Marty separately, asking them all the same set of questions. 125 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: Here's Roddy John and then Marty on when they realized 126 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: their father was great at golf. He was the man. 127 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: He was bigger than all the pros. So he was 128 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: in the final of the British Amateur INTI and like, 129 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: at that moment you really that he won the British 130 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: Amateur in Port Rush, you know, in front of his 131 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: home crowd and tomorrow into this guy over thirty six 132 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: holes and then the drive back, So driving back with 133 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: the old man, you kind of that was the first 134 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: real you know, realization that my father was the champion 135 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: that he was. And then they was dectinitely got back 136 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: in sudden they had a big dinner and then the 137 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: people waiting and he was parading around in open rolls 138 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: Royce down the streets of Suddon so you know, he 139 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: was a superstar in those days before media kind of 140 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: kicked in. So that was really the first memory. More 141 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: perspective from John Carr, he was just my dad growing up. 142 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: He wasn't he wasn't a famous golfer. I didn't really 143 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,599 Speaker 1: appreciate it so much later in life. He was my 144 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: Irish captain when I played for Ireland are and we 145 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: went to Portugal after I left school to to play 146 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: golf with Henry Cotton. But again it was it was 147 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: just it was just growing up with that. It wasn't really, 148 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: you know, spectacularly special as far as our appreciation of 149 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: him as a confert. More from Marty, I think for 150 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: me it was when when I was at sports day 151 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: when I was in in lower high school, when my 152 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: dad arrived the hole of sports, they would stop and 153 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: the sports teacher, the headmas should go over. There would 154 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: be conversation with him when everybod's waiting around bridge. So 155 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: then I kind of us he was. He was kind 156 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: of a large like character. What's the swing tip that 157 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: you always think about or are quick to pass on 158 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: to others? Is there something as it relates to the 159 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: game of golf that in your mind when you tee 160 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: up a ball, or when you're over a wedge, when 161 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: you're over a plot, was there is there something that 162 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: has always stuck with you? We had John Jacobs as 163 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: our teacher, who is actually the fundamental teacher of Michael Bannon. 164 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: Butch Harmon, I mean Bush came over to his funeral. 165 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: He lives in our house, get side of eleven shoes 166 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: and the b six kids jumping on his bed in 167 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: the morning and stuff. So he would be the foundation 168 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: of all the great teachers and today. So so all 169 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: of the teachings were based on the simplicity of John Jacobs, 170 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: which were turned turn your shoulders, I got club goes 171 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: up and turned through. So that was it. So every 172 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: morning we would hit two hundred balls to be a 173 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: snake of balls, teeth up outside of our house on 174 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: the thing of jb would walk out in his track 175 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: suit and just go turn hit, turn, hit, turn hit. 176 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: So it was always just you know, and on the inside, 177 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: turn wide back inside, much like Jacobs, which is mcail roy. 178 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: So before John died, before Jacobs we call him died, 179 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: he's I said to him, you know, isn't that mcal 180 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: roy swing looks like this swing that you were trying 181 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: to get JB to do for years. He said, it's 182 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: the best I've ever seen. So there's kind of that 183 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: picture of set up, why turn and any inside and 184 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: let a RiPP and JB ripped it. So that's the 185 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: simple thoughts that he lived with all all his life. 186 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: He was a wonderful bunker player, and he kind of 187 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: he just got up very early. And he would always say, 188 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: lift the ball. You don't, you don't splash it at, 189 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: you lift the ball at. You lift the ball. I 190 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: have a rolling towards the boat. But obviously I wasn't 191 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: this thing very well as you can sail, because you 192 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: played a lot of golf for me, so I never 193 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: really have a better bunch of lifted out, lifted out 194 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: of the bunk around to try and hit it out 195 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: of the book and lifted out. And as a following 196 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: story for that, inbou nineteen he was referring a match 197 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: I think Roddy was commentating, actually a match between Jack 198 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: Nicklaus and Christie O'Connor, Dannam and Juliot and on the 199 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: second hold Jack short and short sighted himself in in 200 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: the bunker right, and he splashed this thing out to 201 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: about two inches. So after the game, I walked into 202 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: my dad said, down, for all of my life, you've 203 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: been saying lift the ball, lift the ball out of 204 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: the sun. And so the greatest god for the world 205 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: has ever seen as commun Juliot short sight himself on 206 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: two and splashed the all out to an inch, and 207 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: I said, jack is a terrible bunker player. You can 208 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: never play bunkers. And then I've had this conversation with 209 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: Jackie Jackson when it wasn't and I really just played 210 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: its play away from bunkers. I didn't I didn't think 211 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: I had to be good at get out about it. 212 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: So that's just the way he saw it. That's the 213 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: way he saw the world. The life tip that has 214 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: always meant the most. You've beyond the game of golf. 215 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: Outworked them. That was his male model, Like you know, 216 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: I worked them simple, It's like carry you know, I 217 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: mean maybe you know you think about it. I mean 218 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: he had a nine to five jobs, six kids. I'm 219 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: half dead trying to rear two. You know you're you're 220 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: you're only starting six kids, a nine to five job. 221 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: You get up in the morning. He'd hit two hundred balls, 222 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: get in this car, drive to work, come home after 223 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: at six o'clock, go out into the bunker with the 224 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: lights on it. Spent two hours there and then go 225 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: and hit another hunter of balls in the driving and 226 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: you come back in and go to bed. And every 227 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: weekend you're going to do eight hours stay digging up 228 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: half the practice. Gonna put my arnic until they banned them, 229 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: because he was like pac Man eating the practice ground 230 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: there with the amount of balls he took, you know, 231 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: and hit with the drivers. So that's all we were 232 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: ever taught, you know, outworked them. More perspective from John Carr. 233 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: Very deep for me. I spent a lot of time 234 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: with my dad, maybe the last and fifteen twenty years 235 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: of his life. The biggest tip again which I passed 236 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: down to my kids and I've lived it's almost like 237 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: a life code. It's give expecting nothing in return. So 238 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: and I've lived by that creed and it's it's been incredible. 239 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: It's an incredible gift to be able to give expecting 240 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: nothing in return. More reflections from Marty Carr. He was 241 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: an extraordinary man. He he you know, never really heard 242 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 1: anybody ever say anything negative about he was. He was 243 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: he was, he was He treated everybody the same. He 244 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: used to always say to us, you know you're better 245 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: than nobody, and nobody's better than you. Remember that in 246 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: your mind. What is JB's lasting legacy, Well, I think 247 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: without a doubt, and for him it was being awarded 248 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: the Bobby John's Award, which was for international sportsmanshipping an ambassador, 249 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: international ambassador of goodwill and for the hegrity of the game. 250 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: I mean he was invited by Bobby Jones personally to 251 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: play in nineteen sixties seven as the amateur in Europe 252 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: that Bobby Jones wanted to play at the Masters, and 253 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: they would have afternoon tea, Mary and Bobby and my 254 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: father and my mother door. They would have afternoon tea 255 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: every every afternoon because this was amateur to amateur in 256 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: those days, people forget the amateurs were big news. So 257 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: JB was kind of the counterpart for Jones as an 258 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: amateur obviously do what Jones did, but there was a 259 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: respect between Jones and my father. So he was really 260 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: really tough to get that Bobby Jones Award, acknowledging his 261 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: role in promoting international fellowship, integrity and sportsmanship, which is 262 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: what that award is all about. And there's not that 263 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: many names on that that are that. You know, everybody, 264 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: everybody is on that has done their thing and and 265 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: deserved it. He went to sant Down's the nineteen fifty 266 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: eight as a fifties seven as a preview for the 267 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: amateur and and he played in NaN's and he came 268 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: back and he said to my mother, you know I 269 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: just figured it all that he said I have to 270 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: do and say that it is the driver and eight 271 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: are in a wet and you can win. So that 272 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: winter he hit fifty thousand drives, fifty thou and fifty 273 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: thou wages. My mom logged every shot he wore at 274 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: the face of a lanter topping driver or at the 275 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: grooves of his eight are in his wedge, and he 276 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: went over him on the tournament next to the next June. 277 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: So he had you know, again, he trained with football 278 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: teams in the fifties. You know, running he was, he was. 279 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: He ran every morning. You know. He used to have 280 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: his caddy would come and tee up a hundred bolls 281 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: outside our house on the golf course. When he got 282 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: up every morning he hit a hundred drives. He'd run 283 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: down the beach, come back and another hundred drives teed up. 284 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: He did another hund of drives and he get into 285 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: his car and we went to work. And when there 286 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: was a frost out, the caddy would use a kettle 287 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: of boiling water to break the ground so we could 288 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: tea up the hundred balls. So he was just a 289 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: prodigious worker. He worked so hard on his game. He 290 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: understood the game really well, and he loves people and 291 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: he loves completing, you know. That's why it was also 292 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: a very good catalyst for people's personality. So that's why 293 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: I think you get on to someone with Jack Nicklaus. 294 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: But I think his legacy was he was he was 295 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: a really really solid fair He was a great friend. 296 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: He tells a great story about the game of golf. 297 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: In his relationship with the game of golf. He said, 298 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, he said, in those days, we had the 299 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: troubles in the North. And he said, you know, we 300 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: come from a trouble island. He said, you know, North 301 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: and South, Protestant, Catholic, you know all this all this conflict. 302 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: And he said, but you know, the beauty thing about 303 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: golf is it does a matter where in the words 304 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: you wire, you're standing the first team doesn't matter whether 305 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: you're black or white, Catholic or president. You know, nobody 306 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: cares all they one of those what your handicap is. 307 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: And then when you tell them, they don't believe you. 308 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: I know, if you go, you know, and you end 309 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: up being friends of the golf course. So I suppose 310 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: it does. It is the ultimate. It is the ultimate, 311 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: you know. I think, I think, I think. I think 312 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: his friendship and his and his fair sense of fairness 313 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: and a sense of equality. He was. He was. He 314 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: was truly a great guy. What would be your favorite 315 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: story about your dad's greatness, something that kind of encapsulates 316 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: how good he was. When dad was about eight, just 317 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: around the time when we were working on the book 318 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: Breaking a d I managed to find some archive footage 319 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: and I got it. I've got a lot of archive 320 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: footage of my dad in the early years. Well. One 321 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: of the one of the pieces I found was in 322 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: NT one Irish amateur final at Portmartik when he was 323 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: beaten by cessi Ewing. It was a kind of money 324 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: he was like there were archrivals of the day and 325 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: he was beating on the seventeen and he walked off 326 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: the green and he was smiling, and he shook everybody's hand. 327 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: And I used that as an example to my kids 328 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: to say, look at this man here walking up the 329 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: seven green. Has he won or has he lost? He 330 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't know that, friends, And to me, that was the 331 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: greatness of the man. You know, he was a great competitor, 332 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: but he was a great winner, and he he was 333 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: a great wizard. So I think that's a great quality 334 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: and that's you know, as I said, I used that 335 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: as a guide to my kids. He played the Walk 336 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: up in sixty nine. I played in seventy one, so 337 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: we played for Leinster together. We only missed it by one. 338 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: We were really I was trying to get him to 339 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: hang out but like he was fifty at that stay, 340 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: so we were really trying to be a father on 341 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: sun job on that. So anyway, about nine nine he 342 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: sent me off to Florida to Pine Tree where crewman 343 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: can all to learn how to play out to that 344 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: that so I was there, came back to play in 345 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: the South of Ireland and I was a good player 346 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: then and I didn't make the cut to get into 347 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: the match play and he was confounded him because he 348 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: knew I was a good player, but like for him. 349 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: And he kind of came to me and he said, no, 350 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: you're going to caddy for me. And this was his 351 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: thirty nine championship that he you know, this is before, 352 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: and he said, I'm going to show you how easy 353 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: just to win one of these things. It's ridiculous. He said, 354 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: you're good enough to win, you can't even qualify. Now 355 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna cartach for me. I'm gonna show you. My 356 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: favorite story is he's done on a hinch playing in 357 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: the in the South of Virlin against the semifinal of 358 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: the final the South of Ireland back in in the 359 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: late fifties and he's playing a match against old Fogerty 360 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: and Ruddy's on the bag. I'm sure Roddy might tell 361 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: this one better. He always had this thing in match 362 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: play with my mother, who would walk every hall with him. 363 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: When he got to three up, there's always too you know, 364 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: two matches morning afternoon, my mother would go in and 365 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: make the sandwiches for the car because no man alive 366 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: could ever get out, could beat you know, could beat 367 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: JB if you got three up, because nobody can ever 368 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,239 Speaker 1: win four homes off and so match over three up, 369 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: not to mother mother, But head and make the sandwiches 370 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: for the afternoon match. Wait for him to come in. 371 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: He got at the car, half the sandwich, come out 372 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: and dust the next guy six and five, seven and six, 373 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: whatever it was. This was the scene. And we get 374 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: through and he says to me as we go along, 375 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: he said, now, he said, I'm I'm kind of two 376 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: up on the first team, and the guy's expecting to 377 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: be two down after four. You know, my job is 378 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: to make sure he is two down after four. We 379 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: get to the final and he's playing against No Fogerty, 380 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: his own book maker friend, you know, who only shook hands. 381 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: He shook the hand with these guys, no contracts or whatever. 382 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: And all was one of his great buddies from earlier. 383 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: And they had seven kids, and we had six kids, 384 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: and we're playing in the south to see but fog 385 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: and I was a fearsome friend of his, and he 386 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: was a good boxer, so he wouldn't have been intimidated 387 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: like a lot of the other guys that would have 388 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: fallen by the wayside, just on nerves alone. Like and 389 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: those those days it was rootless hand to hand combat. Right, 390 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: four thousand people, I've come back from America, caddying for 391 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: Poppy've justusted everybody along the way. Nobody got past the 392 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: fifteen hole. We're three down after five in the hinch, 393 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: and I'm like John chiggy chiggy cheeky, heading for the 394 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: dell hole, and I'm looking at the Pop was marching 395 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: along thousands of people everywhere as a pop. You know 396 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: that three down run? This isn't funny, is it? That's 397 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: do you know? You you're three down? Pop? Because I 398 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: was translating it the other way, you know, he said 399 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: what he said? What are you talking? If I don't 400 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: lose another hole, I win by two and one if 401 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: I don't lose another hole. It was an incredible strategy. 402 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: Didn't go chasing. I didn't say I gotta win. He 403 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: hung around. He was man to man, don't go chasing. 404 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: Then you go four down, you go five down. Part 405 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: party man throws the one back, part part throws another 406 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: one back. Things going to court, the plan, No panic, 407 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: back to one down with five to go, perfectly on schedule. 408 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: No panic. What's whoever saw we get? It's two drivers 409 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: onto the third thing to think in three pots that 410 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 1: you know, which upset him a little bit. Well, one 411 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: down the sixteen part three. And at this stage, like 412 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 1: he had trained me with yardages, books, you know, measurements everything, 413 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: he didn't do that never just what he couldn't do. 414 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: So I get up to the seventies and then throwing 415 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: the grass up, not funny, four tailsand people it says, 416 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: I said, pop, it's a hundred and seventy five. One 417 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: club wins one club elevation. He said, eight iron, eight iron, 418 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: eight iron, because that's the shot. He saw, a raking 419 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: hook with a divid two foot long, you know, driven 420 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: into the wind, you know whatever. Anyway, if he lis 421 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: this thing, it plugs under the face of this seaside 422 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: bunker as and you can barely see, like an egg pitch. 423 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: Now fo gets up with a fore iron and hits 424 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: this kind of a chokey hook that scrambled down to 425 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: the front of the green. Not funny, one down, three 426 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: to play, you know, plugged in the face of the bunk. 427 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: Here man at the front edge of the green forty away, 428 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: get down into the bunker. I look at it, and, 429 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: as I would always do, thinking what's the best I 430 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: could do here? I'm thinking I couldn't see the bone, 431 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: never mind moved JB had a club called the Monster, 432 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: which had a flange on it was a big, huge 433 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: flag of the old days. So he gets into the bunker. 434 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: He lifted the front of the bunker onto the green. 435 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: The whole the ball then burst out at the debris 436 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: and then trickled itself out of the debris. Literally half 437 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: the bunker face ended up on the game. The ball 438 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: first for about two feet inside of fog you know what. 439 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: Fogerty was the guy's name. So I'm thinking, Jesus, how 440 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: do we lifted out there? So anyway, just about Fogo 441 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: puts it up to four ft little choky you can 442 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: feel it, and JBB the know to be, you know, 443 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: on that stuff. So just JB is just about to 444 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: put the Angelus goes. It is twelve o'clock in the hinge. 445 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: Twelve o'clock the prayer, the Angelus. Everybody's wearing hats in 446 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: those days, so everything stops. The crowds of those days 447 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: were bigger than the crowds and professional tournaments in Europe now, 448 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: so it was extradited. But five thousand people around the green, 449 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: the Angela spells on the local church ring. Everybody gets 450 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: down on their hands and these and they say the 451 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: decade of the Rosary, right, so they will marry for 452 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: the grace. Caddy puts the pin down, named the fathers 453 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: son of the Holly, the angel Lord. It's it's a 454 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: six minute prayer. You know. Hats are on the things. 455 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: I'm signed with the bag looking around this scene. No 456 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: one I'm supposed to have my head bout thinking choking me. 457 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: You know this is crazy. But so I look over 458 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: at JP, and JP wing set me to myself. What 459 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: has he got to wink at the amounts up there? 460 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: Four ft, he's thirty five ft. He's one dawn with 461 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: three to play. Not funny. So anyway, Andel has finished 462 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: his hats go back on. Things settled down again. JP 463 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: goes up, breaks the back of the hole. Paul goes in, 464 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: your man, your janks at two ft left, you know win. 465 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: He hooked it out of bounds in the next hole. 466 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: We win the championship. He is dy a big week 467 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: and they moved on and he won the tournament and 468 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: the driving back of the car j he says, ready, 469 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: that's not how to win a championship. Cut. I'm driving 470 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: home that night. The six of us in this mark 471 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: for speeding at a. I'm looking in the mirror JB's eyes. 472 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: I said, how did you know, Pop? How did you know? 473 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: You know you're gonna hold it? He said, what I said, 474 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: how did you know? You winked at me? He said, 475 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: should he left the door open? Didn't he? And that's 476 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: that's man of the manor that's when you understood about 477 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: your old man and funny No. Further on down the 478 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: road we ended up sliding off the end of the road. 479 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: We went to the Curlews. In those days, they were 480 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: all slides, and then we were driving the car slid 481 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: off the side of the road. So Fogo, the guy 482 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: you beat in the final was driving by with the 483 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: seven kids in the back of the carrier, the station wagon, 484 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: and he pulls over. He sees jbs car slid down 485 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: kind of a side of the DNS. Okay. He phones 486 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: down the window and he says, Joe, you can't keep 487 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: it on the fairway and you can't keep it on 488 00:25:53,080 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: the road. Good luck and prove what would you believe? 489 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: He's most proud of in terms of you in your life. 490 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: He couldn't ever understand how I failed on the tour, 491 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: because he knew how good a player was I could 492 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: beat the kite from Watson and those guys in the 493 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: Walker Cup and stuff like that. But when I went 494 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: to the tour, I started, so that would be the 495 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: public the area that he could never come to terms with. 496 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: I think the fact that I ended up going off 497 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: and then developing another career thanks to Mark for comic 498 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: getting my I calling my Harvard education, he kind of 499 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: liked that. And then I ended up kind of with 500 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: Sevy and and working with Jack and bringing Jack to 501 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: Ireland to play, you know, play there for the first time. 502 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: So things like that that he kind of got along 503 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: the way that he would have. In fact that I 504 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: stayed in golf and was in the top end of 505 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: the management and promoting tour events, running Ryder Cups, Solheim 506 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: Cups and stuff like that, that all gave him a 507 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: bit of a buzz. He was happy for me to 508 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: get memberships of someone golf clubs. He liked that. But 509 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: so generally, I think he was very proud of all 510 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: of us in his own way. Probably the ones of 511 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: us who played golf at a higher level had a 512 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: slightly better peek behind the curtain and some of the others, 513 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: you know, we got to know him a little bit 514 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: better because he was always even. I remember the last 515 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: time I seven, Ronny played golf with my dad. You know, 516 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: Ronny hit this beautiful feathered seven iron on the eighth 517 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: of Port Marnoch. It was just a magnificent shot and 518 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: like that made my dad totally happy, the fact that 519 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: Roddy could execute that shot, and he knew exactly the 520 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: talented too to feel it. You know, the talented took 521 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: to move the ball left or right, the talented took 522 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: to stop it. So I think he was proud of 523 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: every good golf shop we've ever hit. I think he 524 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: was very proud of our of our kids and those 525 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: that they were born when he was alive, and I think, 526 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: you know, he's just very proud of all of us. 527 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: I didn't really get to know very well until I 528 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: came back to the States in nine, right. I was 529 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: always the kind of the rebel son who was aver 530 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: the very it was. It was a huge about of 531 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: good news coming from very good as usually it was 532 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: usually a cash call or so. So I would say 533 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: I got to know when I came back in and 534 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: when I set up car Golf. He really he kind 535 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: of retired that stage. So was there really something that 536 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: you know, I ended up generating a very close relationship 537 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: with him on and he was very old school, but 538 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: certainly as the father and son developed, and and and 539 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: he came out and kind of met you know, groups 540 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: of people or met him in Portmarnick or Sucon golf club. 541 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: He I think he got a really really good sense 542 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: of pride. It gave him, It gave him a kind 543 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: of a second a second run of it. I think 544 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: that's that's probably what he's most proud of in terms 545 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: of me in our relationship in later life. Like it 546 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: was a very competitive man and you know, he didn't 547 00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: really mind what you were doing as long as you 548 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: was a sas that. How about your mom? Where does 549 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: she fit in all this? She was incredible. She managed 550 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: him in those days there was no management of amateurs 551 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: or anything, but she managed his brand. So she would 552 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: like four hundred postcards every Christmas, handwritten with a photograph 553 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: of the family, and send everybody he had met. She 554 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: had the most beautiful handwriting. She wrote everybody that he 555 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: ever met her stayed with. So she was the actual 556 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: and this was just good manners in those days, but 557 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: that actually established Joe Carr as the famous individual that 558 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: he was. She was like superwoman, you know. She basically 559 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: she had six kids. She hit the ball about a 560 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: hundred yards off the tree. She could don a twelve handicap. 561 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: They won like seven all Ireland Mixed forces together. She 562 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: hit him a hundred chards down the fairway. Here's like 563 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty yards on the green. She was 564 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: the best potter in the family, a little blade potter, 565 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: used to cut the ball, always kept her head study 566 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: so so that she basically was an amazing golfer for 567 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: for the for the distance she hit the ball. She 568 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: ran his whole life and she ran our house with 569 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: six kids. She was an amazing an amazing woman. Unfortunately 570 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: left us in notteen seventy six too early, but but 571 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: she was a power behind the throne. Definitely he was driven. 572 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,479 Speaker 1: He was definitely driven. He was adopted. He came from 573 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. He worked, He left school at fifteen and 574 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: cared for his mother. He you know, he would have 575 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: said address as he practiced hard. He literally literally just 576 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: beat his way out of Vichy Core, which is not 577 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: He's probably one of the least after places in Ireland, 578 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: you know, so he he did it on himself and 579 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: he married, well he married, he married my mother who 580 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: was who was a saint. This podcast is called the 581 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: fire Pit because it's the kind of stories you'd want 582 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: to be. You know, here tell around a part. But 583 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: do you have a favorite fire pit? And why what 584 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: about a pillage at the moment, buddy, I actually have 585 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: an American friend, Andy Pierce, and we get together every year. 586 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: He worked with me an I MG and he he 587 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: had a group of you call it the Creechy group, 588 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: and they're a bunch of kind of main fellas who 589 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: went to college in Bowden. I have my four retrobate 590 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: friends who are the shoeman, the music man, the stockman, 591 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: and myself who are from all box to life. We've 592 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: kind of joined together and we get together every year 593 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: and we have He's into pitch, so I really everywhere 594 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: we go we build this pit fire and we sit 595 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: around the drinking and talent stories. So when you when 596 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: I saw the name of the fire Pit, I wouldn't 597 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: have known that as Ireland and Ireland as you know, 598 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: it's the public public fire pits. You know, it's like 599 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: putch their arms as the fire piers in Bodeville, right, 600 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: And there's a little small fire in the corner which 601 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: kind of does his job with anything else, puts the 602 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: pub in and and then yeah, but the fire pit 603 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: of me is the one of them are which I 604 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: have a far outside my back door. It's a far place. 605 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: And during the lockdown, we've had lots of sing songs 606 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: and drinks and load music and you know, annoying the 607 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,719 Speaker 1: neighbors and stuff happening on our fire pits. Yeah, now 608 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: we have. We we led a quite a lot. 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