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Speaker 1: the newest episode of the Giant Subtle Podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is John Schmult. Today's guest one of the best offensive

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Speaker 1: lot of hardcore draft stuff as well. Now we welcome

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Speaker 1: to our guest. He is Brandon Thorne, author of the

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Speaker 1: Trench Warfare Newsletter. One of the reasons I wore my

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Speaker 1: slute to service today, someone with the Trench Warfare Newsletter

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Speaker 1: had to go service all offensive lines, scope for Bleacher Report,

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Speaker 1: Duke many Weather out there with the all masterminds folks,

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Speaker 1: right Brandon, Yes, sir, I appreciate you having me, man.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to do this. Yeah, me too. It should

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Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. Giant fans are rightfully obsessed

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Speaker 1: with the offensive line, given it's been a problem since

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Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen, long time, and they're trying to figure

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Speaker 1: a big avenue to that. But first comes free agency,

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Speaker 1: competitive toughness, he's coachable, he's you know, he's serious, he's

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00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: all he you know, he has the makeup to become

428
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 1: a quality starter. I just think the um, the distance

429
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: that he has to go to get there is a

430
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 1: little bit further than he'll get drafted, you know, because

431
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna get drafted maybe top ten. I mean he

432
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 1: could be, Yeah, he could be. And I just don't

433
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: see that, um, you know, in terms of instant you know,

434
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 1: impact guy. But over time I do see it, you know,

435
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 1: I I see that pathway, you know, being possible. Um.

436
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: Raymond is a guy who I have the same grade

437
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 1: as Penning, but I would stack him above Penning honestly

438
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 1: because I think the floor is a little higher with Raymond,

439
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: and um, it's it's very interesting. Raymond is a very

440
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 1: interesting prospect. So he is, you know, so so the

441
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 1: negatives will cover those first. So he's gonna be twenty

442
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: five year old rookie, so that's very old. Um. And

443
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 1: he has thirty three inch arms. So that's about as

444
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: low as you're gonna get as a starting tackle in

445
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: the NFL. I think there's only one or two starting

446
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: tackles in the league with sub thirty three inch arms.

447
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 1: One of them's Braiden Smith with the Colts. UM, and

448
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: there might be one other guy. And there's a couple

449
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,479
Speaker 1: with like thirty three flat you know ver Shawn Slater

450
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 1: last year thirty three flat. Um, that's about as low

451
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: as you're gonna get. But he's kind of an anomaly

452
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: at the same time, he's an absolute technician. He has

453
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: play strength, all that kind of stuff. Raymond is not

454
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: there yet. But Um, Raymond to me, even with those

455
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 1: negatives in place, he's only played offensive line for eighteen

456
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: games in his life. So he was a tight end

457
00:22:54,800 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: before tight end before. He's from Austria, served in the military. Um,

458
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: he had a very interesting background. He hasn't been playing

459
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: football very long, and he hasn't been playing offensive line

460
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: very long. He just transitioned offensive line in the COVID

461
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: short and season and he's already like pretty polished. The

462
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: fact that he's picked up the position as quickly as

463
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 1: he has, to me, is very impressive. Usually offensive lines

464
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: since just since it's such a skill based position, takes

465
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: a lot of time to acquire those skills. He has

466
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: picked it up very very quickly. UM So, even though

467
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: he's going to be older, I think that because he's

468
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: such a young player in terms of experience and he's

469
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: picked it up as quickly as he has, I think

470
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of room for him to get better.

471
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: Um And the things about him that I like so

472
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: much is really uh fluid movement skills, body control, contact, balance,

473
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: play strength, all those things I think you see on tape.

474
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: He's a really good finisher, but the body control is

475
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: really impressive with him. He's able to recover and day

476
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: attached to blocks at a very high level. And I

477
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: think that translates because you know, in college you want

478
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: to see guys get into compromising positions and see how

479
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: they recover. And Raymond recovers very nicely. UM. So that

480
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: to me is is very you know, um, encouraging for

481
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: his transition to the pro game. UM So, you know,

482
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: I would favor Raymond a little bit more, although I

483
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: think Penning is going to go before him most likely

484
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: because of the physical traits. Um. But those two guys

485
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: like late first early second is where I see their

486
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: value being the highest. Tyler Smith I have a third

487
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: round grade on UM. I really like Tyler Smith, but

488
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 1: obviously I don't like him as some as much as others.

489
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: Um physicals. So the dichotomy or the difference that there's

490
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: a stark difference between where Tyler Smith is physically and

491
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: where he is technically, it's a wide gap. Um. Physically,

492
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: he has everything you could want, size, height, weight, length, power, strength,

493
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: athletic ability, it's all there. But his technique is is

494
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: a mess. You know, straight up, he's very raw. All

495
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: those holding penalties rights, that's wrong. I mean the holding penalties,

496
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: and just he plays high his hands, he carries them

497
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: down by his you know, he carries his hands super low.

498
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: He's wide with his hands. He's he's just out there

499
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: like winging it, you know what I mean. Um, And

500
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: at you know, to do that at Tulsa and to

501
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: get in as much trouble as you did as he did,

502
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: that doesn't bode well for an immediate impact. Guy. I'm

503
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: gonna give you an old Sean O'Hara line. He always

504
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: tells the young offensive lineman that come here, and he

505
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: talks and he goes, don't be a gun slinger. Man,

506
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: don't know if your hands down by the hips and

507
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: bringing up wide, you gotta be a boxer. He can't

508
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: be a gun slinger. Yeah, he's gonna have to revamp.

509
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: You know all that. I have it in my report

510
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: on him that like basically and all my reports are

511
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 1: on Bleacher Report. People can read him. But just this synopsis,

512
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: this is a good synopsis to him. I said, overall,

513
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: Smith has a physical traits and aggressive nature to become

514
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: an eventual and a whole starter. However, he is raw

515
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: is sushi and a penalty machine who needs to reconfigure

516
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: his technique from the ground up before he can see

517
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: an NFL field. He kind of reminds me a little

518
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: bit of Tray Smith coming out last year from Tennessee

519
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: went to the Chiefs, who freaking was almost an all pro. Now,

520
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: Tray Smith was very up and down on his college film.

521
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: He had a lot of health concerns as well. He

522
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: won the third round or no, he won the six rounds.

523
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: I had a third round grade on Tray Smith, um

524
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: I have. I can't go higher than than a third

525
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: round grade on Tyler Smith um because he he isn't

526
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: maybe quite as powerful as Tray Smith is, but he's

527
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: like the prototype if you're building a guy on paper,

528
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: and you know, in terms of athletic ability and like

529
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: natural power and nastiness, Tyler Smith is the guy. But

530
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, I just feel like he needs a year

531
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: or two, you know, and he needs to go of

532
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: the right spot. So yeah, I mean I like Tyler

533
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: Smith again, but you know, top of the third round,

534
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: I think, is where you take a guy like that.

535
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: All right, So I'm gonna put you in in in

536
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: the giants, uh shoes here before we jump to the

537
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: interior guys in the draft here, Um, if they're sitting

538
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: there at five and seven, like you, they have Charles

539
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: Cross and Ryman and Penning is like between fifteen, and

540
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: they say, look, we're gonna pick a pass rush. We're

541
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: gonna pick a cornerback. I wanna feel good about it.

542
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: But oh now we don't have a starting right tackle

543
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: and you're getting to the middle rounds. Maybe you have

544
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: a stopgap guy, but you want to pick someone that

545
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: maybe can play the position. Roll down the road. Let's

546
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: take Tyler Smith out of the mix. Anyone else from

547
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: this class at tackle that you like that maybe not

548
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: even that thirty six picking in the second round. Maybe

549
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: we're talking one of the two picks in the third

550
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: round that you think could be a guy that either

551
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: a come in and help a little bit right away,

552
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: but maybe more importantly, be someone that could be a

553
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: very good developmental prospect that they can groom to be

554
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: that right tackle, maybe even halfway through his first year

555
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: to start of a second years. Somebody like that that

556
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: you happen to like, maybe more than others. So I

557
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: would assume that we're gonna take Daniel Filele out of

558
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: this because he's probably a second round grade. Okay, actually

559
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: he was gonna be. I was gonna ask you specifically,

560
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: so you think he would be an alright pick in

561
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: the second round because he fascinates the hell out of me.

562
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. Yeah, I have a

563
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: second round grade on Daniel Fileley. He kind of reminds

564
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: me a little bit Jordan by a lot of vibes. UM,

565
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: so very enticing blend of size, ease of movement, and

566
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: natural power. UM. And the thing about him that's really

567
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: intriguing is he's very well coached in Minnesota. He has

568
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: a lot of experience. UM. He has over thirty starts,

569
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: I believe, so the very well coached aspect of it,

570
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: you could see it translate as a run blocker. So

571
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: Minnesota does a lot of pro stuff with the run game.

572
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: They run duo, they run inside zone, they run power,

573
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: they run out, they run everything. So you get to

574
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: see him execute pro concepts as a run blocker on film,

575
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: which is always great. Um, there's not a lot of

576
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: projection there, so I I think as a run blocker

577
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: he can kind of hang his hat on that while

578
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: he cleans up some stuff. As a pass protector, he's

579
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: not a guy you're gonna want to put on an

580
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: island or anything like that in pass protection early because

581
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't redirect very well. He moves initially well out

582
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: of his stance, he gets out of his stance quickly,

583
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: things like that. But if you want him to change

584
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: directions against a really shifty rusher in space, it probably

585
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: won't go well. It didn't go well on tape when

586
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: he had to do that, and it didn't go well

587
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl when he had to do it either.

588
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: He's very heavy, you know. I wonder if he could

589
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: lose some weight because he's three eighty four. He probably

590
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: played last year at four pounds. He needs to lose

591
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: some weight. He carve like three five ish playing even

592
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: because my lata I think plays around three seventy. Is

593
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: he that heavy? I didn't realize that. Okay, oh yeah,

594
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: he's he's a monster. Um yeah, I mean like Trent Brown,

595
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: Orlando Orlando Round, they all play around three sixty, you know,

596
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: three fifty. Um. So if he can get like in

597
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: the three sixty three three seventy even, that would I

598
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: think help him, because right now he just he can't

599
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, he's not sudden at all. He doesn't redirect well.

600
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: So with him, he's really gonna have to be taught

601
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: to play inside out on pass rushers. And right now

602
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: he tends to overset guys and open up that inside

603
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: pathway for inside counters and stuff like that. He's gonna

604
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: have to be like drilled into to stay inside out

605
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: because if he could do that, he can blot out rushers.

606
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: Because if you stay inside out on a pass rusher,

607
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: when you're that big and you're that long, the you're

608
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: such an obstacle to get around. But if you're oversetting guys,

609
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: you eliminate the benefit of your size. So I think

610
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: if he can learn to do that, then he could

611
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: be a starter, you know, within the first year or

612
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: two of his of his career. UM. And like I said,

613
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: he could kind of hang his hat as a run blocker.

614
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: He could be a good run blocker for you. UM.

615
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: So I have him with the second round grade because

616
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: of those reasons. Another guy that I have you know

617
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: later in the draft, UM, probably like you know, round

618
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: mid to late round three, is a guy who is

619
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: intriguing to me who kind of reminds me of Bobby

620
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: Massey when he was coming out. And that's Rashid Walker

621
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: from Penn State. UM. So with him, you know, it's

622
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: it's the size, the natural power, and there's pretty good

623
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: body control with him as well. Now his technique is

624
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: not very good right now. He's he needs a lot

625
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: of work there. His tape is very up and down

626
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: when you watch him this past season of Penn State. UM,

627
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: he actually had a very serious knee injury that he suffered. UM.

628
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: I want to say it was against Michigan, but I'm

629
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: not a hundred percent sure. I think it was earlier actually,

630
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: um gosh, it might have been Iowa. But either way,

631
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: he had a pretty significant knee injury that he played

632
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: the last four or five games with, So that's something

633
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: to take into account. But anyway, you know, to me,

634
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: his ability to anchor naturally, to anchor well is it

635
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: just seems to come naturally to him. And that's something

636
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: that separates him from a guy like Nicholas Petit Frere

637
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: who I don't like as much as Walker um because

638
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: of tech similar technique issues. They both need a lot

639
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: of work there. But I don't think there's as many

640
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: physical tools to work with with Petit Frereir as there

641
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: is with Walker. If had some core strength issues right

642
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: in some of those gays not very strong, he doesn't

643
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: anchor well. And when your technique is not very good

644
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: and you can't anchor well, I just think that there's

645
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: there's more clutter there, I guess for him to work

646
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: through to become a starter than Walker. I think Walker

647
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: has you know, a really nice kind of foundational set

648
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: of traits to work with and to me in the

649
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: third round, third round for us is a high level

650
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: backup slash potential starter. That's where I see Walker having

651
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, pretty good value. I have him a little

652
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: bit after Tyler Smith. I have Tyler Smith like top

653
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: of the third round. I have Rashid Walker like mid

654
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: to late third round. So yeah, he's another guy throughout there. Interesting.

655
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the interior guys. When should

656
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: you start thinking about Tyler linder Baum, Kenyan Green, Zion

657
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: Johnson in this draft of If You're a Team? Yeah, um,

658
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: you know Linderbaum is. I have him graded as you know,

659
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: similar to like Charles Cross, you know, lock first round pick,

660
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like outside the top ten, you know,

661
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: maybe like mid first is where you're looking. I think

662
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: he has a good shot of going in the late

663
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: first The way in at the combine was a disappointment

664
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: for him. So he weighed in six pounds heavier than

665
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: his playing weight, which is great, but he didn't test,

666
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: so we didn't see if the athletic ability would translate

667
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: out of heavier weight. I'm sure he will was pro day. Hopefully.

668
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: He still has that midfoot spring that he's dealing with

669
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: that kept him out of the Senior Bowl. But it

670
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: was the arm length at one eight that is it's

671
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: just you know, it's to me. I'm not a big

672
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: arm length guy, honestly, but there is a point to

673
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: where it becomes somewhat of a concern, especially when it

674
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: popped up on tape, which it did for him. There's

675
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: certain matchups that he's just going to struggle with in

676
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: the pro game, I think in terms of guys being

677
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: able to establish first meaningful contact on him, and you know,

678
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: for instance, if he's trying to reach a shade in

679
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, outside zone, he's probably gonna get flattened out

680
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: a little bit more than you would want to see. Um.

681
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: In past protection, guys getting inside his frame and walking

682
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: him back probably gonna happen more than you would want

683
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: to see. However, very good initial quickness, He's very powerful,

684
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: and he's a special run blocker in my opinion, I mean,

685
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: zone room blocker, he's very good on combo blocks. He's

686
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: just he's an advanced room blocker, and I think he is.

687
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: He has this this power element to his game to

688
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: where it's pretty crazy how much power power he can

689
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: generate a two pounds. It's it's pretty wild. Um. You

690
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: mean you could even see it when he uh he

691
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: pinned Tristan Worths and wrestling at Iowa, um or in

692
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: high school it was or whatever. Um. I mean, he

693
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: has a lot of power in his body and if

694
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: he could play over to you know, I think he

695
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: could be a really good starter. It's just you know,

696
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: the reason why he's I think getting knocked down and

697
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: more of a late first round pick for a lot

698
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: of guys is because if a team, a team is

699
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: going to have to sort of cater to him, you know,

700
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: I think in some ways, and that's not really a

701
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: top ten pick or not. You know, you need to

702
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: kind of build in the right environment for him to

703
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: maximize what he does well. Um, but I still really

704
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: like him. But my favorite guy in this draft kind

705
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: of like my guy is Zion Johnson. Um. Yeah, and

706
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: that was the case back in December. I'm mean I

707
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: had him as O G one then and then you

708
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: know it comes out and he crushes the Senior Bowl

709
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: in the combine. That just his a cherry on top.

710
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: But I mean his tape is phenomenal. It's he's well rounded,

711
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: doesn't really have a weakness in his game technically sound powerful, strong. Um,

712
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: I mean I think he's smooth and patient and past protection.

713
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: He handles stunts and twists well, uh, you know, he

714
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: creates movement in the run game. He has a good

715
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: feel for when to overtake and release on combo and

716
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: double team blocks. I mean, he's just like I mean,

717
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: I can list off more strengths from his report, all

718
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: these technical things, but basically he's he's smooth, he's strong,

719
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: he's patient when he needs to be. He's polished. I

720
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: compared him to to Kevin Zeitler. So that was in December,

721
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, when I wrote his report. I see him

722
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: as being that above average starter for a decade. You know,

723
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: maybe very good, you know, maybe get Pro Bowl consideration,

724
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: but you know, worst case, he's coming in and he's

725
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: going to be above average where for a long time.

726
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: So that guy, to me, he's a first round pick

727
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: as well. Um to me, I think, you know what

728
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: the NFL will do. I think he has a chance

729
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: to go in the lay first. You know, based on

730
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: how well he did at the combine and all that stuff.

731
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: Kenyan Green, I have a second round grade on He's

732
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: probably gonna go in the first. To me, he's a

733
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: little bit he has his technique is and as clean

734
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: as Zion. He kind of has a radic wide hand placement.

735
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: UM kind of a bad habit of not always bringing

736
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: his feet into contact. He kind of leans and wrestles

737
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: guys um and turns, you know, rather than gets his

738
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: hips on underneath blocks consistently. But man, he can generate

739
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: an immediate movement at the point of attack. He has

740
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: a big, wide body, Um, a lot to work with

741
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: their very young uh one years old. Um, but he

742
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: he has more stuff to clean up. I understand how

743
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: some people can like him more than Zion because I

744
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: could see the ceiling being a little higher there. But

745
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: I would rather bet on the guy who has a

746
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: higher floor with still a relatively high ceiling in Zion,

747
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: more of a finished kind of product, guy who can

748
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: come in right away and be better. Um, you know, Kenyan,

749
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, he just has a little bit more to

750
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: clean up. But um, yeah, very very intriguing guy. But

751
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: I just see more of like a second round pick

752
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: with him. But he's gonna go in the first. Yeah.

753
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: I didn't think he moved as well. Just his his

754
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 1: movement at the combine on the field. Zion just looks

755
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: so much smoother and everything that he did, I thought,

756
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: at least I'm with you all right, Final question, Brandon,

757
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: I could do this all day. You're fantastic, happy to

758
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: have you on. Um, give me a couple of day

759
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: two interior guys that you like that could step in

760
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: and be you know, stepping be okay starters and may

761
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: be developed into something more. And then give me some

762
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: deep sleepers on on day three that you like on

763
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: the inside. Man. So this is my favorite area of

764
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: the draft is day two and three interiors. So I

765
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: have a laying on me. Baby, what do he got?

766
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: I have a lot of guys here, Um, Marquis Hayes,

767
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: ed Ingram, Damari Sawyer, Dylan Parham. Those are all interior

768
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: Day two pay palms A center our guard center Um.

769
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: But he could play guard, you know, I don't think

770
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, no guard whatsoever, like some other

771
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: guys we might talk about, or like linder Bomb was

772
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: purely center. I think Parum could play guard, but I

773
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: would prefer him at center. Um Parum, you know is

774
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about him a little bit.

775
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a really intriguing guy. To me, I

776
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: have a just to verify here Um a seven point

777
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: three grade. So on our scale, that's a high level backup,

778
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: potential starter, third round pick um Parum. I mean so

779
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: to me, mobility on film is very impressive in terms

780
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: of how he bends, how he flexes his ankles, knees,

781
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: and hips. He plays a really good at natural leverage. Um,

782
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: his core strength is very good, and he's able to

783
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: sustain and control defenders at a very high level. And

784
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: then at the Senior Bowl seeing him take snaps, seeing

785
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: some of his quickness to reach the shade and zone

786
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: concepts climbed to the second level. I mean he has

787
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: a little bit more athletic ability, and I think, um,

788
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: I thought then at the combine he did very well

789
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: and showed himself well in that regard as well. Um,

790
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, It's just he kind of has a sought

791
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: off frame, um, you know, not a lot of like

792
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: mass and girth to his body. So certain matchups, certain

793
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: body types on the interior are probably going to be

794
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: able to control him. Um a little bit. But I

795
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: still think he's very you know, he has a pathway

796
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: that I see of becoming a starter, um, you know,

797
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later, especially at center. So I like Parham.

798
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: I mean a guy that I'm probably higher on the

799
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: most is Marquise Hayes didn't test great. Didn't expect him

800
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: to place faster than his athletic ability raw athletic ability

801
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: would would suggest tone center, excellent competitive toughness, very good

802
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: grip strength with violent, powerful hands, excellent length so he

803
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: can establish first meaningful contact on defenders a lot. The

804
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: thing that I love about Marquises he got better each

805
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: year at Alklahoma. Oklahoma very well coached, and his mental

806
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: processing is very impressive. He handles gap exchanges very well.

807
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: He doesn't chase stuff, he doesn't get over aggressive, but

808
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: he he can. He's a very aggressive player when he's

809
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: initiated in contact. He's a very good finisher, but he

810
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: knows how to temper it. He knows when to be patient.

811
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: He's just one of those guys who, it just seems

812
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: to understand how to play offensive line. Um. His play

813
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: speed is impressive, even though his athletic ability, you know

814
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: is is kind of middling. UM. So he's one of

815
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: those guys that could just see sticking for a long

816
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: time and just being one of those solid starters. Uh.

817
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: He kind of reminds me of Dalton Reisener for the Broncos.

818
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: Not as a prospect because Risen played left tackle Marquis Hayes,

819
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: He's only played left guard, but as a pro so,

820
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, Riisener is a left guard in the NFL.

821
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: You know, he's a very good puller. UM, not very

822
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: athletic necessarily on tape or on tape I think Riisner

823
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: tested okay actually, but on tape he gets you know,

824
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: he's just not the most athletic dude. But he's crafty

825
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: and he's pretty technically sound, and he's really tough and

826
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: he's smart. And that's kind of how I see Marquises.

827
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: I have a third, like a high third round grade

828
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: on Marquises, which is going to be higher than most people.

829
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: I think. Ed Ingram is another guy from l s U.

830
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: He grew on me the more I watched him. He

831
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: reminds me of Jonah Jackson, who is a really underrated

832
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: player with the Lions. UM. Really good puller, uh, naturally powerful,

833
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: really good patients and past protection that is just you

834
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: don't see it a lot from college guys. He doesn't

835
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: chase stuff like if guys are stuttering and setting him up.

836
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: He's very good about being patient and square um, which

837
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: I really like. UM. I think he could come in

838
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: and maybe be a starter right away. So those are

839
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: some like Day two guys. There's there's a couple others

840
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: as well, But if you want to go like a

841
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: little bit later. By the way, you mentioned it before,

842
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: I love Salier. I think you watched. He looks little sloppy, right,

843
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, he's not like and that's why he probably

844
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: didn't go at the combine. Right, He's not like to

845
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: spelt this guy, but he always stays in front of

846
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: the guy that's trying to rush against him, which is

847
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: kind of really what matters. Right. Yeah, I like Sawyer.

848
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: I mean he has snaps at all five positions on

849
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: the line. Um, you know, he was a serviceable tackle.

850
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: He was he was decent. Now they protected him a lot,

851
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: but when he went inside, you know you could see

852
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: that's his home. That's where he looks like he's going

853
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: to be, you know, good as a pro. Um. You know,

854
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: he for me, I think his length is impressive, the

855
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: way he uses his length, really good hands, and he's

856
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: his play strength is above average. And if your play

857
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: strength is ready to go, I think that helps you

858
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: so much. Um, you know, come in right away and

859
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: and make an impact. Uh, you know, I think he

860
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: could play right away and like a downhill run scheme

861
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: or a multiple run scheme, not not heavy zone but

862
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: if you're you know, multiple kind of you know scheme,

863
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: I think he could do that, and he can get

864
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: you out of a pinch at tackle as well because

865
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: of his experience. UM So, yeah, I saw you. I

866
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: have with the same grade as at Ingram, So I

867
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: see them pretty much the same hit them Haze and Parum.

868
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: I have a little lower than those guys because of

869
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: the size, but you know, par Um, they're all kind

870
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: of like high mid to low third round guys for me. Um,

871
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: maybe if you want to reach in the late second

872
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: I could see that. Um. Licidas Smith is another guy

873
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: I see similarly, like late third round grade. He's just

874
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: like a bulldog on the interior, sawed off frames, short arms, Um,

875
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: but bam when he gets locked inside of you the

876
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: reps over. He reminds me of Nate Davis. Um. So

877
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: another guy who gets himself into trouble by being kind

878
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: of sawed off. In pass protection, guys can kind of

879
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: get to his edge a little, you know, more easily

880
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: than you would ideally want. But in the run game,

881
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: he's going to create displacement, um, and that's something that

882
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: he can just kind of hang his hat on. So

883
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: I like him, you know, it's kind of a you know,

884
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: as a more of a like a late third roun

885
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: on guy Luke Odecki, the right and tackle from Central Michigan.

886
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: Another guy who's gonna kick inside as a pro another

887
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: one who I think is he has a lot of

888
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: impressive traits on film. Um. I wish we could have

889
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: got to see him at the Senior boy he got injured. Um,

890
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: but he's a guy I'm very intrigued by as a

891
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: as a guard at the next level, maybe even center. Um.

892
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: In terms of day three, though, I have a guy

893
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: who I love who may go day two now, and

894
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: that's Cam Jurgen's from Nebraska Naska Center prospect um. So

895
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: the way in for him was huge. I moved him

896
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: up a whole round. Uh. In my he was the

897
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: biggest mover out of the whole combine for me. And

898
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: it's pretty much just because the way in. So he

899
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: played at to nine in Nebraska, came in at three

900
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: or three at the combine, and he had thirty three

901
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: and three eight arms, which was longer than I thought

902
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: he would have. So there is more there physically than

903
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: I thought in terms of size and length and his

904
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: athletic ability on tape is like phenomenal UM, you know,

905
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: elite level UM term movement skills, and he's nasty. He

906
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: kind of plays like Jensen UM, so I really like

907
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: him man UM. I don't know if he's going to

908
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: sneak in the day two, but if you can get

909
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: him on day three, that's that's the kind of guy

910
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: you bet on. UM. Donovan West is another guy, but

911
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: that's like he's pure zone center from Arizona State. I

912
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: really like him as his own his own run blocker. UM.

913
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: If you want to go a little deeper, I like,

914
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: UM all throw one out there. Logan Bruss from Wisconsin,

915
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: so classic Wisconsin lineman. Knows how to stay attached to blocks,

916
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: knows how to reset and refit his hands and his

917
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: hips on blocks. So he has pretty good and I

918
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: think he has pretty good body control to do that. UM.

919
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: You know, pretty good athlete as well. He tested better

920
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: at the Combine than I expected. He played right tackle

921
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: at Wisconsin some guard I see him as a guard only, UM,

922
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: but he has a really good bill. He has a

923
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: wide bodied frame, good core strength. UM uses independent hands

924
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: well in pass protection. It's just his foot quickness is

925
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: limited on tape. UM change of direction isn't great, you know,

926
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: so if he gets isolated in past protection, you know

927
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna see some some holes in his game. But

928
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: I see, I see a guy who can come in

929
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: and be a role player right away. I have a

930
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: late fourth, early fifth round grade on him. So for me,

931
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: that's a role player, a guy who can come in

932
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: and be a quality backup with potential to start down

933
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: the road. So logan Bruss is a name that I

934
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: file away as somebody who could start in a few years. Perfect.

935
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: I know we're going late here. Brandon the last one

936
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: I promised. Two guys that intrigued me, zach Com. Why

937
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: not watched a second of Then I watched him just

938
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: move at the combine. I'm like, holy goodness, this guy

939
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: can move like he's just really athletic. I think cool Strange.

940
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people also like his kind

941
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: of like an interior athletic lineman. What do you think

942
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: of those two guys and where they project? Yeah, so

943
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: cold Strange for me has a like a late third

944
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: round grade. Um, it was early fourth, but after the

945
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: combine and moving up to like late third because he tested,

946
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, like an elite athlete, and I think that

947
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: just helps him him. You know, his thing is he

948
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: wighed three or four. I believe um or I don't.

949
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: That's what I think he was listed at. Either way.

950
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: Just when you watch him on tape, he's just kind

951
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: of a smaller build guy. And he struggled at the

952
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl against Travis Jones and against you know, those bigger,

953
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: hulking type of power rushers. They walked him back a

954
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: little bit and some of those girls. I mean, he

955
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: fights his you know, his butt off. He's stronger than

956
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: you would think. Wasn't he the center where they actually

957
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: did a third matchup on the one on ones because

958
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: I think he split the first two and then he

959
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: was talking trash to the DT and they ended up

960
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: doing a third third round. I think if I remember

961
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: I had on that one day of practice, yeah, I

962
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: think they did do that. Yeah. He he had some

963
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: very impressive reps in one on ones and then he

964
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 1: had somewhere it's just looked, you know, it just looked

965
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: like he didn't have the size, you know, to really

966
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: hold up um when guys get inside of him. But

967
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: if he can really hone in his technique and you know,

968
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: be really good with his hands and protect his chest.

969
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: Um and and you know, kind of knock guys hands down,

970
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: and you know, kind of incorporate all these tricks of

971
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: the trade into his toolbox. He could certainly become a starter. Um.

972
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: You know, I think those are kind of the issues

973
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: with him. He plays. He kind of has an upright

974
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: playing style as well, tends to lean and I think

975
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: part of that is because he's a little smaller. But

976
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: the athletic ability I thought showed up on tape as well. Um,

977
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: I think he does a really nice job of running

978
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: his feet on blocks and staying attached. He can steer

979
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: guys in the run game. Um, he could create some

980
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: lift at the point of attack. He has a little

981
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: bit of pop to his game. Um. So I mean

982
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: I like cool Strange. I you know, with that third

983
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: round grade. He kind of reminds me of this isn't

984
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: kind of like the as old school as I'll go.

985
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: But a guy named Jake Grove Um who was a

986
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: center prospect coming out of Virginia Tech very kind of

987
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: similar player to me. Who you know, I think Strange

988
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: can have a better career than he did. But you know,

989
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: Strange as a stay off season right Senior Bowl combine

990
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: that's gonna help him. He'll probably go higher than I

991
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: haven't projected. UM, But I just have a question about

992
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: what his ceiling would be considering his size. But I

993
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: think he definitely is a guy who could start. So

994
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: I like strange, I have him, you know, like I said,

995
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: late third round. UM. And then Tom is a guy

996
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 1: I just watched against Florida State. That was my first

997
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: exposure to him. I haven't he's the only guy that

998
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: you've asked me about that I haven't wrote a scouting

999
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: report on yet, so I I can't speak as in

1000
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: depth on him as other guys. But I did see

1001
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: some of those movement skills translating against Tremaine Johnson against

1002
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: Florida State when he's playing at left tackle. UM, that

1003
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: tape was pretty impressive. I definitely saw uh some play

1004
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: strength can earns on tape with him. In terms of

1005
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: guys just walking him back too easily, I think he's

1006
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: right or something like that that's wrong. Yeah, and not

1007
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: even against Jermaine Johnson only who Jamaine Johnson is a

1008
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: grown man. I mean, he's strong, but there's another guy

1009
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: on Florida State who's like two seventy two. I want

1010
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: to say, he's number four and he gave him some

1011
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: trouble as well, so you know, but from what I've heard,

1012
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: people are projecting him to play center. Um, you know what,

1013
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: we'll see. I'm very interested to watch more tape on him.

1014
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 1: I have a lot of games on him to watch.

1015
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, hopefully if we talk after the draft or something,

1016
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: I could talk a little bit more about him. But yeah,

1017
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm planning on having his report done in the next

1018
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: few days. No, that's awesome, Brandon, this was great. Tell

1019
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: the folks one more time where they could find you're

1020
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: awesome work. If they want to see your write ups

1021
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: on all these players. Yeah, so right ups on these players.

1022
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: You can go to bleacher Report. Um, you can find

1023
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: the links and all that stuff on my profile on Twitter.

1024
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be writing, um, every offensive lineman in

1025
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: the class. I'm gonna have a full outing report on him,

1026
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: watch five, six, seven games on him, so all that

1027
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: stuff will be on Bleacher Report. I'm gonna also have

1028
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts on the class and film rooms

1029
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: with a lot of these guys. I'm doing woman Trevor

1030
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: Penning that's coming up. The subscribers. I'm gonna have hopefully

1031
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: one with Tyler Smith a bunch of other guys I'm

1032
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: gonna do them with. And that's at my sub stack

1033
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: so Trench Warfare dot sub stack dot com. That's where

1034
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: people can find um a lot of other work that

1035
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: I do as well. Brandon, again, we thank you for

1036
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: all the time. I know along I apologize you got

1037
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: a lot of work to do, and let's definitely hook

1038
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: up again soon. We'll talk some offensive line and it

1039
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: was really informative. I'm sure the fans will really enjoy.

1040
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, absolutely, man appreciate you having me, Brandon Thorn.

1041
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us in the Giant Settle podcast.

1042
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: Everybody for Agency begins this week. Enjoy it. We'll see

1043
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: you next time.