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Speaker 2: I know, I'm so excited about this. I am so

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Speaker 2: I have Kamela back.

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Speaker 1: That's great. My exercise bake has come back with you.

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Speaker 2: you could do this as a weekly thing. You come

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Speaker 1: This is like, it's perfectly acceptable for two podcast co

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Speaker 1: And it's Manhattan, New York. Do I wish I had

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Speaker 2: This is why you are the wife of wives. You're

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Speaker 1: That's right, fellow aries. Let's I have we have some

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Speaker 1: and I kind of forget that they actually listen and

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Speaker 2: She runs these random tournaments where she just mows everyone down,

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Speaker 2: and then she goes away for like six months. I'd

431
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Speaker 2: like her, you know, I mean, because her game is

432
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Speaker 2: so predicated on small margins of the way she plays,

433
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Speaker 2: she doesn't she very rarely puts any spin on. It's

434
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Speaker 2: just flat chat. So when she's on good luck, right,

435
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Speaker 2: which is why she's won a couple of Wimbledon because

436
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 2: the grass suits itself. So she's a start of player.

437
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Speaker 2: So if you look at her results for example this

438
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Speaker 2: year alone, I mean she lost to Casakina in straight sets,

439
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 2: she lost to Jess, she beat Jess, Pagoula and Sigmund

440
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: at the United Cup right with not a lot of pressure,

441
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Speaker 2: just kind of having fun. So she plays great there.

442
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Speaker 2: Then she loses to Casakina. In Adelaide, she loses to

443
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Speaker 2: Caledina and Australia in the second round. Like Calinina is

444
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Speaker 2: a good player, but you know, she loses to Coca Golf.

445
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Speaker 1: That's a match.

446
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Speaker 2: She can win that against good. In Doha and then Dubai,

447
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 2: she loses Kajikava easily, so she kind of there's no indication.

448
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden she gets Indian Well.

449
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Speaker 2: She plays quite well, although having said that she should

450
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Speaker 2: have one hundred percent lost to Jess Pagoula in Indian Wells.

451
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Speaker 2: And she gets out of that match and wins it

452
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Speaker 2: eleven I think it was thirteen eleven in the third

453
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Speaker 2: set tiebreak. It was ridiculous that match. And then she

454
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Speaker 2: loses to Sakari having being up a set and four one.

455
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Speaker 2: That's right, she was up set and she's up against Sakari.

456
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Speaker 2: He's definitely going to win this match. And then she

457
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Speaker 2: us is that, you know, forget okay, that's a typical

458
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Speaker 2: petrocout of a match. And then God Lover, she goes

459
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Speaker 2: to Miami and just runs the ever runs the table.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about well.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I mean the first tiebreak, though, can

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Speaker 2: I just say I want to talk a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen fourteen five seven.

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Speaker 2: Points against her. They both had loads of set points,

465
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Speaker 2: but obviously it was always going to come down to that,

466
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Speaker 2: and when I was trying to get to a while ago.

467
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Speaker 2: But typical mea tangent. I think Rebarkna fought mentally the

468
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Speaker 2: whole week. I think it's so hard to do the

469
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Speaker 2: Sunshine double. There's only a reason why only a few

470
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Speaker 2: people have ever done it have been really great, So the.

471
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Speaker 1: Game stretch of time to be hard to do.

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Speaker 2: It's a month long mental stretch and.

473
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Speaker 1: In drastically different conditions, drastically different different court's a example.

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Speaker 2: She won like Indian I was like, I think five

475
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: times or something, could never win Miami, very different conditions.

476
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Speaker 2: Although she's from California so she likes the conditions there,

477
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Speaker 2: but she hated playing in Miami. Like so you know,

478
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Speaker 2: there's a very few that are able to do it.

479
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Speaker 2: I actually thought she was going to do it, but

480
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Speaker 2: I think mentally I didn't take into consideration because she's

481
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Speaker 2: so cool, calm and collected. I think mentally she was

482
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Speaker 2: fried also.

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Speaker 1: Especially given the amount of matches that came down to

484
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Speaker 1: the wire in this tournament alone, right, I mean that's

485
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Speaker 1: just like, that's emotional fatigue that even somebody is you know,

486
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Speaker 1: sort of serene on the outside and ac and have.

487
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Speaker 2: To see it. Like listen. I mean, I've spoken about

488
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Speaker 2: it for and I've copped some shit from him and

489
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Speaker 2: her camp and you know, giving Stephan her coach shit

490
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Speaker 2: on this pod a couple last year about being really

491
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Speaker 2: negative and stuff. But I mean, I'm sorry, but like

492
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Speaker 2: it takes its toll. She's telling him to shut the

493
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Speaker 2: fuck up, like a couple of times in the semifinal,

494
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Speaker 2: Like at some point, you know, obviously they they like

495
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Speaker 2: the relationship. It's going really well. She's winning a lot

496
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Speaker 2: of tennis matches. He's obviously making a huge difference for

497
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Speaker 2: her tennis, and there's no question that he's done an

498
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Speaker 2: amazing job with her career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly it's working.

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Speaker 2: But my point in telling you in the first place,

501
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Speaker 2: when I spoke about him at some point, oh my god,

502
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: the negativity and the chatter that he does in matches,

503
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Speaker 2: it takes its toll on you as a player. And

504
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Speaker 2: it's only because she's so.

505
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Speaker 1: Chill, drunk out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she can deal with it, but even she's telling

507
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Speaker 2: him to shut up. Now, whether he's telling her something

508
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 2: positive or negative, I don't know. But when you are tired,

509
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Speaker 2: which she would have been, emotionally really tired and physically

510
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: not getting all asleep, you're stressed out every day, it's

511
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Speaker 2: like it takes its toll on you. And so maybe

512
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Speaker 2: it took its toll on her in the final that

513
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Speaker 2: she just she didn't have to fight, particularly in the

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Speaker 2: second set, because it was a pretty quick second set.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Petro took a three love lead in like

516
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Speaker 2: two seconds, So I think that mentally she was probably

517
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Speaker 2: as fright as anyone. So I mean, just take it

518
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Speaker 2: on board. It takes as a tennis player under those circumstances,

519
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Speaker 2: it really does take it out of you emotionally and physically,

520
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Speaker 2: and we saw it with Alcroz. Maybe it took it

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Speaker 2: out of him in the third set against Sinner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he looked tired.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's cramping, which is.

524
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Speaker 1: He physically Yeah, his muscles were actually tired.

525
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Speaker 2: Actually he was cramping.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so let's match. Let's talk about that match,

527
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Speaker 1: just because I think, you know, as exciting as the

528
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Speaker 1: Sinner Medvedev, and I love the fact that Medvedev is

529
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Speaker 1: getting Jelly's finals. I think a tour with Medvedev frequently.

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Speaker 1: He actually likes his No, he hasn't been about anything.

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Speaker 1: I did his LaCosta commercial. We just should just talk

532
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Speaker 1: about it's I don't know if you've seen it, Everyone

533
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Speaker 1: go form an opinion because you haven't watched it. Look

534
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: at it yet, Nancy would know you're going to watch it.

535
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about it next week because it's pretty funny

536
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Speaker 1: and weird, and I think it's performance art of the

537
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Speaker 1: highest order. I cannot get enough of Cinner Alcarez. You're

538
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Speaker 1: I'm not the only one. This is the future of

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Speaker 1: men's tennis, and it's great. It's great. It's incredible, of.

540
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Speaker 2: Course, but I am obsessed with these two.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Like I literally stood here the other night watching the match.

543
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Speaker 2: Was he with my friend Jill and Eden and we

544
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Speaker 2: were watching and I was going just I must have said,

545
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Speaker 2: after this one point that has now been replayed one

546
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Speaker 2: hundred times on Twitter, are you e f in kidding me?

547
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Speaker 2: Are you fing kidding me? What the fuck am I watching?

548
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: This is insanity, you know, And when you're talking to

549
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Speaker 2: other pros that played the game at a really high level,

550
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Speaker 2: and all of them are lose their minds over the

551
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Speaker 2: The tennis that those two guys play against each other

552
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Speaker 2: is ridiculous. They both move unbelievably. That is the most

553
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Speaker 2: efficient mover I've seen. From his height, I've ever seen

554
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: that guy moves so well it's it blows my mind.

555
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Speaker 1: He's sort of like a cat. Right now, I'm posting

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Speaker 1: of them are, and that's the thing about the matchup

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Speaker 1: that makes it so exciting to me. It's the fact

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Speaker 1: that they're That's why getting the Sabalanca Rabekina final that

577
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Speaker 1: we got in Australia made me so excited. You see

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Speaker 1: these players at the top of their games and they

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Speaker 1: kind of expand the notion of what's possible, you know,

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Speaker 1: And for me watching Center and Alcharaz, the two of them,

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Speaker 1: especially where some of these points actually illustrate what's possible.

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Speaker 1: It shouldn't be possible to have a rally that long

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Speaker 1: where each of them hit probably four or five winners

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Speaker 1: behind the back slices, lobs running fourhand.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're you know the point I'm talking about.

586
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Speaker 2: Of course, that point, of course.

587
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Speaker 1: Was finished with flick backhand crossport.

588
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Speaker 2: But Alchoriz was on his as twice in that.

589
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Speaker 1: Alcras made a diving Avice dog hand.

590
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Speaker 2: He actually was on his aus three times.

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Speaker 1: No, it's incredible.

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Speaker 2: It's just I just and have I said this before.

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Speaker 2: They're great guys.

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Speaker 1: They're great guys. They're so nicely. What I've heard is

595
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Speaker 1: that they're so nice. Men's tennis is in a great,

596
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Speaker 1: great place. I think women's tennis is in a great place.

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Speaker 1: The product is great. I was lucky enough to be

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Speaker 2: Show earlier this week, the Backup Plan.

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Speaker 1: The Backup Plan, with our friends Hannah Astapchak and Jason Spells,

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Speaker 1: and they were sort of asking about parody in the games,

602
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Speaker 1: and you know, oh, now finally we have parody in

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Speaker 1: the men's game. And to me, parody is the fact

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Speaker 1: that we have a cohort of people who can win

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Speaker 1: and it's not just the same couple of names. Because

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Speaker 1: for me, the fact that women's tennis was always like,

607
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Speaker 1: well there's no one reliable victor. It's like, excuse me,

608
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Speaker 1: why do you want to watch the same person win

609
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Speaker 1: everything all the time? I mean, I know we talked

610
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Speaker 1: about this all the time, and that's not to take

611
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Speaker 1: away from any great greatness, but I like the parody.

612
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Speaker 1: I like the idea that it's just a question mark,

613
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know who was going to win that

614
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Speaker 1: Center Alcoraz match at any point, including the.

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Speaker 2: End and cocluding the end when Alchoriz looked like he

616
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Speaker 2: was about to he you know, was like cheer, somebody shoot.

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Speaker 1: Me, and I thought he was still gonna win the match.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, he's back. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I guess that's to.

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Speaker 1: Me when you your hair stand on end. Watching tennis

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Speaker 1: is when you truly don't know the outcome. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it's not fun to watch a match where

623
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Speaker 1: you do know the outcome and it's so clear that

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Speaker 1: one person is just you know, putting on a display.

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Speaker 1: But for me, the best matches are those matches where

626
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Speaker 1: you're like, anything could happen. There are gonna be shots

627
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Speaker 1: we've never seen before. That's what it was like for

628
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Speaker 1: me watching the Sablinkbukina Australian Open match. Maybe less pyrotechnics

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Speaker 1: in terms of the movement or shots, but just the

630
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Speaker 1: fact that they were both going so hard for it

631
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Speaker 1: when I didn't know who was gonna win. That it

632
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Speaker 1: to me is ultimately the excitement of watching live sports.

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Speaker 1: That's why I watch it because you don't know what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen.

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Speaker 2: I love that Australian Open final because I've never seen

636
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Speaker 2: two chicks just get short balls and just say yep,

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Speaker 2: I'm fucking hitting this. Yeah. It was not like, oh

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Speaker 2: oh god, I don't want to miss it, artillery tight.

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Speaker 2: I mean when people get nervous, they don't really quite

640
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Speaker 2: go for the lines. These two were like nah, going

641
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Speaker 2: for the line. Yeah. It was just it was. It

642
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Speaker 2: was amazing. It was such a great, high quality tennis.

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Speaker 2: And I will say, like court surface is super important, right,

644
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Speaker 2: So Miami is a lot quicker. Apparently it's running it

645
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Speaker 2: to like a thirty nine. Last year was like a

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Speaker 2: thirty three. It's just like the speed of the rating

647
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Speaker 2: of the ball when it hits the court, what's the revolutions?

648
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Speaker 2: How quick is it coming off the court. So basically

649
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Speaker 2: it's running at a thirty nine, which is quite fast,

650
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Speaker 2: and it was thirty three last year. And I would

651
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Speaker 2: say I don't know what Indian Walls was, but I

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Speaker 2: would say Indian Walls was probably like thirty one, thirty two,

653
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Speaker 2: very slow, very gritty, lot more sand in it. Pretty

654
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Speaker 2: much because the desert blows sand onto the court, so

655
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Speaker 2: they just rolled it into the surface, which is why

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Speaker 2: Medvedev was like, this is not the Dennis court, This

657
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Speaker 2: is not hard court to them. So you know, it's

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Speaker 2: super quick in Miami, which is why I said, obviously,

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Speaker 2: Petroko Viva it was so successful there because it lends

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Speaker 2: itself to her hitting style totally. So for example the

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Speaker 2: men's final, let's take that. For example, obviously Alcoraz in

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Speaker 2: India wells is a bit slower. He can hit through

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Speaker 2: the court for winners. He can also run down everything

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Speaker 2: you think, well, so does Medvedev. He plays the same,

665
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Speaker 2: doesn't have the spin that al Choraz has. Alcaraz's ball

666
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Speaker 2: hits and spins off the court a bit more than

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Speaker 2: Medvedev's kind of sit. It's there a little bit more

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Speaker 2: so it's harder for him to generate winners.

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Speaker 1: And that's really where the Raffer comparisons I think are

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Speaker 1: really accurate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you've got just the Novak action. He

672
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Speaker 2: has a lot of action on his forehand to write

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Speaker 2: as much on his back end, and Roger kind of

674
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Speaker 2: can do it all. But but I say this final

675
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Speaker 2: and it's good that we're doing this pod before the

676
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Speaker 2: final because I'm really not sure who's going to win

677
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Speaker 2: this final. I mean, because Sinner, if it was Alcaraz Medvedev,

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Speaker 2: I think it would be a lot closer this match

679
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Speaker 2: today than it was in Palm Springs and Innie Wells.

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Speaker 2: But I think Sinner this is going to be interesting,

681
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Speaker 2: tough match for him because I think Medvedev this court

682
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Speaker 2: really suits him. So what is Sinner going to do

683
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Speaker 2: now to beat him? And if I was to take

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Speaker 2: a book for Tarren Cahill and say, if you watch

685
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Speaker 2: Al Karaz, he actually out hit Medvedev, Medvedev couldn't do anything.

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Speaker 2: So I would say, green light every ball, Just hit

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Speaker 2: every ball as hard as you can, rush him, come

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Speaker 2: into the net, try and finish the points because if

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Speaker 2: you try and play from the back of the court,

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Speaker 2: just hitting, hitting, hitting, Medvedev's gonna win the match.

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Speaker 1: It does seem not to get too technical, because this

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Speaker 1: is really more your bailiwick than mine, but it does

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Speaker 1: seem like one of the things about Medvedev that I

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Speaker 1: see as being a huge I mean, he moves so

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Speaker 1: well for a guy who doesn't look like he moves

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Speaker 1: well poletic. I would say it's poetic in its own way.

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Speaker 1: But he stands so far back, and Sinner's angles have

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Speaker 1: to be able to be deployed quickly right against I mean,

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Speaker 1: because Medvedev's fast and he covers a lot of ground.

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Speaker 1: But I have to say tactically, there must be a

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Speaker 1: way to maybe not hit through him on the baseline,

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Speaker 1: but hit through him using the entirety of the court.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would I would employ a little bit of

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Speaker 2: and he doesn't really have this, and maybe he can

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Speaker 2: employ this today or get better at it. I would

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Speaker 2: use to slice a little bit and bring him forward

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Speaker 2: because he the one place that Medvedev is not comfortable

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Speaker 2: is at the net. Sure, so you've got to find

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Speaker 2: a way to bring him forward to hit them through him.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see Alchoriz did that the drop shot. The

711
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Speaker 2: drop shot can also slide and then bang, he can

712
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Speaker 2: hit it through you. So we'll see Darren's you know,

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Speaker 2: obviously one of the great coaches of all time. He

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Speaker 2: will be looking at all the stats and trying to

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Speaker 2: figure out a way for Sinna to win this. And

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Speaker 2: I would love to see Senna win it me too,

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Speaker 2: because that would really establish Sinna Medvedev, al Karez, Djokovic

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Speaker 2: as the top four players.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have to say, my favorite part of the

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Speaker 1: year is about to happen. It starts tomorrow and it's

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Speaker 1: clay season. I love clay season.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I think if grass court season were longer, and if

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Speaker 1: it were a little bit more, you would like that

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Speaker 1: the month promoted I would like the most because it's

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Speaker 1: actually the surface that I like to play on the most.

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Speaker 1: And I like serving a bone, you know, because you're right,

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Speaker 1: just by being five to five, I have a pretty

729
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Speaker 1: good serve when when I when I used to serve.

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Speaker 1: But my point is, I do you you're making a face,

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Speaker 1: but thank you for not illustrating and allowed you, dick.

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Speaker 1: I love clay season and I love the fact that, truly,

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Speaker 1: truly it's chaos. And I have to say, I think

734
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Speaker 1: the best ticket in town is going to be the

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Speaker 1: roll on Garos mad Well. Pretty much every match Carlos

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Speaker 1: Alcarez plays on clay Well.

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Speaker 2: Every match Carlos Alcarez plays these days is like gets

738
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Speaker 2: the most hype because he's so exciting to watch. But

739
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Speaker 2: what I would like to see is Rafa come back, yep. Healthy.

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Speaker 2: He's obviously talking about not playing Monte Carlo because he's

741
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Speaker 2: physically not going to be never.

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Speaker 1: Does where were there?

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Speaker 2: No, yes he does, he doesn't. How many time? Look up?

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Speaker 2: How many times I'm sure he's won one Monte Carlo.

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Speaker 1: Probably not recently. Has t Pas won it like three

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Speaker 1: or four times?

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Speaker 2: Today? How many times is Rafa one Monte Carlo?

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll we wait for that, Nentwer.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say at least five times. But here's

750
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: the thing. I think he's not going to play because

751
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Speaker 2: he wants to be really really ready and he knows

752
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: he's going to go full on hard. I think he's

753
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: going to play obviously Rome, Madrid, Barcelona and try and

754
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Speaker 2: get all the tennis under his belt before the French Open.

755
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Speaker 2: But I would love to see Alcarez Rafa semi R

756
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Speaker 2: final and then I would love to see Djokovic. It

757
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: will be in the other semi R final, yeah for sure,

758
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: and we'll see what. You know, these other guys can do,

759
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 2: like Taylor, Fritz Fritz and you know, poor old Dominic

760
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: team he can't win two matches right now. But you know,

761
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: so there's a lot, there's a lot. Well, it's going

762
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: to be exciting. The women's is going to be exciting.

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Speaker 2: It is definitely the favorite that the French open these

764
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Speaker 2: big How many times did he win it? I said

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Speaker 2: five at least, So Caitlin, He's only one Monte Calo

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Speaker 2: eleven times.

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Speaker 1: Hasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, our listeners are just dying right now with the

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Speaker 2: lack of information that we're giving to them. We're supposed

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Speaker 2: to be the expert.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to edit all of this out.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, Okay, So I don't look as.

773
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Speaker 1: Dumb as I clearly am. But speaking of looking dumb.

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Speaker 2: I am.

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Speaker 1: I should I address the Twitter confirmation about pickleball? Let

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Speaker 1: it go? You can bring it I.

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Speaker 2: I maybe they can bring it up because all of

778
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: our listeners are right on your side.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's I don't want to appreach to the quiry.

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Speaker 1: It's just I want to explain myself a little bit,

781
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: which is that seeing Agacy and Chang and Raddick and

782
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: macenrall play pickleball for well, you know why they're doing it, right,

783
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: Because they're getting paid a lot of money. Yeah, and

784
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 2: But it's because I would say John and Andy, I

786
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: don't know about Michael and who's yell Andrea agasine, Oh, Andre,

787
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Speaker 2: I would say that none of them like pickable at all.

788
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Speaker 2: They think it's a joke. They're taking the money.

789
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Speaker 1: I get it. I also, you can't do a charity event,

790
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: any event that all four of them would do would

791
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: make boodles of money for So I see.

792
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: Where you're going here. So why not Andre, Andy, Michael

793
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: and John McEnroe play a double sit? Is that what

794
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 2: you're saying?

795
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Speaker 1: Yeah? For the Ukraine or for you know, alleviating you know, I.

796
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: Don't know, because obviously someone in Tennis didn't think to

797
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: pay them a million dollars or whatever.

798
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: And this is sort of this is what I want

799
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Speaker 1: to get back to at the place we started, which

800
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: is a lot of times and most recently, whenever I

801
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Speaker 1: sort of go off on Twitter, I get a lot

802
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Speaker 1: of feedback behind the scenes from like folks, some of

803
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: whom are like yeah, but a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of I'm a man seven nights, I'm a man.

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Speaker 1: One, two, three, four, five, six, seven eight, Who's like,

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00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: you're negative. You're a real loud mouth, you are, you know,

807
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: and it's.

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Speaker 2: Like, can't you use that energy as a positive.

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00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I'm trying to by making.

810
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 2: I'm joking that that's no sure what you get told.

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Speaker 1: But it is. But it is a good valid question,

812
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: which is I'm trying to by putting into the world

813
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: things that I want to see more of. I want

814
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: to see more travel content, so we're doing a travel

815
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Speaker 1: content series with Andre Pekovich this week in Charleston. I

816
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: want to see more beautifully designed merch and posters and events,

817
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: so that's what we're doing. I want to see more loud, thoughtful,

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00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: amazing voices who can blend coaching with like random people

819
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Speaker 1: on the street, which is why we made.

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Speaker 2: A finger pointing at me.

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Speaker 1: Then well, I as soon as you said loud, I

822
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Speaker 1: should know I'm talking about you. But I think like.

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Speaker 2: You actually didn't point until you said loud.

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Speaker 1: That's right now, just to make it clear, but I

825
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: think you know, I am trying to, through all of

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Speaker 1: our efforts and all of our friendships and all of

827
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Speaker 1: our partnerships with racket, be both an active critique of

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Speaker 1: the system, but also make the case that you know,

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Speaker 1: we're putting our money where our mouth is and spending

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Speaker 1: our money and spending our resources to try to do

831
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Speaker 1: stuff that we want to see more of. We don't

832
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: want to be the only voice in town. We certainly

833
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: don't want to be super super argumentative of all the time.

834
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Speaker 1: It's tiring so for me to watch our legends play

835
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: pickleball with you know, knowing that they probably don't like

836
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: it because somebody was more opportunistic in the pickleball space.

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Speaker 1: They have a lot of venture capital they need to

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Speaker 1: spend it. I think they need to convince people that

839
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: this is a real thing, at least until they can

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Speaker 1: exit and get their returns on their investment and sell

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00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: it to the next sucker down the road, because the

842
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: truth is it's not a viable pro league or television product.

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00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: Then it makes me angry that the entirety of the

844
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: tennis ecosystem, or at least most of the tennesse ecosystem

845
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: that we see Tennis Channel included, ESPN concluded, are Legends included,

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00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: are happy to sort of lay down their arms and

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Speaker 1: be like, yeah, sure, this latest fad thing.

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Speaker 2: Why not.

849
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: We're not doing a particularly good job of making tennis

850
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: the center of our universe and promoting the game and

851
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: making it as popular or as money making as it

852
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: should be. But here's like the latest thing. Let's go

853
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: hitch are wagons to that because it seems exciting. That

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Speaker 1: to me is really the defeatist energy of it that

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Speaker 1: I find.

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Speaker 2: So I have a harder time. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: this because I work for ESPN, but I have a

858
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: harder time. I don't ESPN are putting on whatever an

859
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: hour or two exhibition, fun thing with people that are

860
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 2: going to get eyeballs on it on a Sunday where

861
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: there's not a lot going on on.

862
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: A Sunday step for Miami.

863
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 2: Oh hold on. I don't have a problem with ESPN

864
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: doing that because they're paying, they're they're putting it on there,

865
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: and they're getting their sponsors and etcetera, etcetera, and they're

866
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: making money from it, right, So because it's a fun

867
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: thing and they don't have tennis on until the Slams

868
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: I have, and so that's an opportunistic thing for them

869
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 2: because ESPN don't aren't focused on tennis for sure, right

870
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: they are focused on entertainment sport on their networks. Right.

871
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: I'm we're currently watch Champs, you know. While we're doing this,

872
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: I have the replay of the F one race on

873
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: ESPN because it was at o'clock in the morning and

874
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: I was too tired to watch it and watching the

875
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: replay today. So that's ESPN is the worldwide leader in sports.

876
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: Tennis channel is supposed to be Tennis channel, Okay. So

877
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: that's where I have an issue. Is they have it

878
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: on tennis channel, and because they have it on tennis channel,

879
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: because pickleball people and associations are paying for it to

880
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: be on their channel. Okay. So that's a very different

881
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: scenario to me. Is it going up against the final

882
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: the pickleball thing, Yeah it is. But is that ESPN's

883
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: problem or is that is that Tennis Channel's problem to

884
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: push the tournament.

885
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: To say, shit, maybe a different days.

886
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: Probably gonna watch Andre Agassi and John McEnroe and Andy

887
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: Ritick and Michael Chang over the stuff on our network.

888
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: So I have to work around that.

889
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: To me, that's the bigger issue. And I think you're right.

890
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't blame ESPN in this scenario. As much as

891
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: I am frustrated at the Tennis world, especially when this thing.

892
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: I would just like ESPN to take back Miami for

893
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 2: sure and all the masts one thousands.

894
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: Although honestly, based on the Australian Open, coverage. I'm not

895
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: sure that that's such a good viable idea anymore. I

896
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: was really disappointed in the Australian Open coverage, and I think,

897
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, we can have a I think, probably maybe

898
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: slightly disagreeing, but just drunk constructive argument about I know

899
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: that all the talent, and I'm sure all the talent

900
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,479
Speaker 1: was inhappy with it either, and that.

901
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: In the echellance of the tennis people, they would absolutely

902
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: trust me when I tell you they want to be

903
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: down there for sure, you know, And sometimes decision making

904
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: is out of the people's hands that want to bring

905
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: you the share.

906
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure they didn't, you know, I'm sure they didn't,

907
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, give people.

908
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: The option something different next year.

909
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: Good good. I hope that that's the case. But I

910
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: think for me, just seeing how popular the sport is recreationally,

911
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: unlike pickleball, which claims thirty million but it's actually seven,

912
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: unlike the idea that this thing is going to be

913
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: a huge money maker, Tennis already is. It's the best

914
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: sport for women to play, it is inclusive, it has

915
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: been on the right side of history. It's not a colonial,

916
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: boomer white sport. The way that this thing is that

917
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: is attempting to take over our purpose built facilities. So

918
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: if these guys were all playing this on a sidewalk

919
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: and not coming after our legends and our stars and

920
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: our airtime and our network eventually get god, don't even

921
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: get me started. The amount of people who sent me

922
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: that article infuriating, and I think that's what that's what

923
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: their VC money has bought. It's bought the illusion of

924
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: an inevitability, which is frustrating because the truth is it's

925
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: not a very good product for a pro or television.

926
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: Television is terrible product, and it's sort of like there,

927
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: it's the most cynical, least uh, you know, least difficult path,

928
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: path of resistance to me, which is why all these

929
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, men who've invested in it and men who

930
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: are making all these decisions, you know, playing it. And

931
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: it's probably because they play it. And so for me,

932
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 1: it's it's frustrating to watch our sport. That's so it's

933
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: never been better from a product perspective, and from a

934
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,959
Speaker 1: recreational perspective, at least not since the eighties. Get sort

935
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: of obscured. That's where my anger comes from, and I

936
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: want to use it productively by talking about it, explaining myself,

937
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: and trying to put that energy into making the sort

938
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: of product and the kind of world around tennis that

939
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: I feel like they should have been making the whole time.

940
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: That's what this is. It's not me firing shots at

941
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: people because it's fun. I would much rather be working

942
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: with them to make things better. I had a very

943
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: very long meeting with some of the executives at some

944
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: of these places where Olive branch. Let's work together, let's

945
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: combine forces.

946
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: They don't listen, they don't want to.

947
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: No, they don't think that there's anything to be at it.

948
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: Caitlyn, I listen. You know, I have my own TV

949
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: show now, and you know we really want to make

950
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: it one of the better tennis coveraged shows, right you have.

951
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: You know, Unfortunately we don't get b roll. We have

952
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: to pay for that. You know, Amazon have to pay

953
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: for the rights to show a point from Miami or

954
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Right, So they're not they're not gonna

955
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: they're not going to pay all that money for b

956
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: roll yet, right, because we're a new sports and it's

957
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: expensive station and it's very expensive, right, so you know,

958
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 2: so my only access to tennis players, for example, is

959
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 2: through them coming on my show and doing an interview

960
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: and we talked to them, and we've had we had

961
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: Jenny Brady on last week, which got a ton of

962
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: views on the social networks and people were so excited

963
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: to see Jenny Brady and find out what she's doing.

964
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: For sure.

965
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: You know, I've had, I had, I've had plenty of

966
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: tennis plays.

967
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 1: You've had Christian, You've had Andre Pekovich, You've had a handful.

968
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Rohan Bapartner on last week talking about his historic

969
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: win and Indian wells in the doubles and being the

970
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: oldest man to ever win a title on a to

971
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: B you know, all this sort of stuff that Mark

972
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: Knowles came on the other day. And then I'm getting pushedback,

973
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: for example, from the w t A and saying, well,

974
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: what are your numbers? And you know, we can only

975
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: give access to players to the people that are paying

976
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: for the rights to show that. I'm like, hold on

977
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 2: a second. The only people paying for rights paying the

978
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: associations is Tennis Channel, right, they have the rights for

979
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: the tennis to show it and to interview the players.

980
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: But there are so many players that don't get asked

981
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: to do those interviews. So there are so many players

982
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: that don't get asked, you know, their opinion on stuff.

983
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: There are so many players that don't get an article

984
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: written about them because these tennis you know, you know,

985
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: Tennis Channel or ESPN or Eurosport or New York Times

986
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: or you know the Boca Ratone Gazette or whatever. They

987
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: only care about the stars. That's all they care about

988
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: because that they feel that that sells their sport. And

989
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: I'm asking, for example, the WTA. I don't need the

990
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: top players. I would love them. I can email them

991
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: and I can text them myself.

992
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: Second news, as you know, will this weak directly, Yeah.

993
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: Because I'm just texting her myself.

994
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: But it's like, but they should see that you're trying

995
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: to amplify their their players, their jobs and help them

996
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: do it, which, by the way, working for Amazon, which

997
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: is an enormous footprint in the world and probably a

998
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: future rates holder if being.

999
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: Honest, well, they're the rights holder in the French Open

1000
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: now for you know, all of Europe, et cetera, et cetera.

1001
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: But it's like you guys, don't you cannot see the

1002
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: forest through the trees, and I just think it's lazy.

1003
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's lazy, and I don't care what anyone says.

1004
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: Our sport is run horribly from a marketing standpoint, and

1005
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: they're all out of their minds with this Breakpoint on Netflix.

1006
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we're going to get such great cut.

1007
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 2: This is going to bring so many more new fans

1008
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: to Really is it okay? Great if it does, fantastic?

1009
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: But can we amplify it in other ways as well? Well?

1010
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: I think the to me, the one thing I'll say

1011
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: about Breakpoint is it is a huge dereliction of duty

1012
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: that the tours didn't do this themselves. Hello, Like, are

1013
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: you kidding me?

1014
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1015
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: Who's making all the money? Who has the sleet deal

1016
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: with Netflix? Box to box, the production company that's done

1017
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: this four times? Is Breakpoint even their best effort? I

1018
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: would argue, probably not. From what I've saw, it's fine.

1019
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some elements of it that are good.

1020
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm not complaining about the fact that it exists, but

1021
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: like the fact that also setting aside giving away your

1022
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: essentially your marketing responsibilities but also your marketing dollars and

1023
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: the return on that to another third party with your

1024
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: intellectual property that you've now given to a third party

1025
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: instead of doing yourself. Do you have an on ramp

1026
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: for those people who discovered tennis first through rakeepoint? How

1027
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: do they find tennis on your network? They're not going

1028
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: to see it on a NAT show. They're not going

1029
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: to see it in racket because we don't have any rights.

1030
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to go to the Tennis Channel, subscribe

1031
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: and work their way through a very arcane process to

1032
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: try to even watch the players that they got to

1033
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: know about. Where can they go to find information on

1034
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: the internet? Maybe occasionally The New York Times says a

1035
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: story we don't have the resources to do at twenty

1036
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: four seven newsroom like I used to do at Time

1037
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: dot com or the Washington Post dot com. Where are

1038
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 1: they going? Are they going to Tennis dot com?

1039
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what that they don't have to

1040
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: go into the WTA dot com, Like who's doing your website?

1041
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: The amount of times I have to go to the

1042
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: WTA and say, guys, you know the match point is

1043
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: actually not on the VD for your website. So I

1044
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: don't want to trash the WTA, But I'm trashing the

1045
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 2: WTA because there are so many areas where they fall

1046
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: so flat, and the ATP do a much better job

1047
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: with that. And it comes down to the dollars, I

1048
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: get it.

1049
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: Well, no, no, no, but.

1050
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: I will say it doesn't come down to dollars because,

1051
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: for example, you guys at Racket with the smallest budget

1052
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: with like three people working for you, do a way

1053
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 2: better job.

1054
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: Listen, we're trying, we have. There are plenty of things

1055
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: I wish we were doing better and that we were

1056
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: doing more of. I am not saying this in a

1057
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: position of you know, being.

1058
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: A know it all.

1059
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: It's just more like your allocation of resources is not

1060
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: to create a resource for people to be able to spread,

1061
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: interact with and learn the game. And that is what

1062
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: I would argue you should do. Because as good as

1063
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: the ATP is, and as much better and obviously more

1064
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: well funded as they are, they still have takedown notices

1065
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: for people who organically share content on the Internet, which

1066
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: to me, yeah, just an exridiculous of your fans trying

1067
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: to find your content and among themselves. Does that hurt you?

1068
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: Does it take away from your bottom line? Are these

1069
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: people who would otherwise be paying you but aren't paying

1070
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: you because they're seeing it for free on the internet. Absolutely,

1071
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: not the level of sophistication that they have with an

1072
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: understanding of how essentially it's all marketing, but the level

1073
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: of sophistication that they understand of the Internet, of how

1074
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: audiences work, audience growth and storytelling leaves a lot to

1075
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: be desired. And so for me, I want again, this

1076
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: is all in the spirit of please do this better

1077
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: so that we can help, right, Like, that's sort of

1078
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: I think why it gets us so animated because it's

1079
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: like you're sitting here with a show and a huge platform.

1080
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: And they're like, I'm sorry, we were not able to

1081
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 2: give you anybody at the one thousands. We could maybe

1082
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 2: work on it in the two fifties and five hundreds.

1083
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, cool, they're the same players, yep, I mean,

1084
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: same tournament. It's just making themselves irrelevant because what we're

1085
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: finding a racket. And I'll give you an example, so like, uh,

1086
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: there's a player who has won a Grand Slam who

1087
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like she gets a lot of coverage from

1088
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, the networks. Nobody's asking her to, nobody's calling

1089
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: for special interviews with her. In the media rooms at

1090
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: these tournaments and tours, haven't, and the brands she works

1091
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: with haven't really propped her up. She's now coming to

1092
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: us saying like, hey, can I work with you guys?

1093
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: How can I show my sides of my personality? How

1094
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: can I be somebody who's not just seen in this

1095
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 1: one dimensional way?

1096
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 2: Not yet?

1097
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: And again I say this with humility and a true

1098
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: desire to help. If brands are coming directly to us,

1099
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: and players are coming directly to us, and I come

1100
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: to the networks and the tours and say, hey, work

1101
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: with us. We have the authority and the brand awareness.

1102
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: You guys have the reach and the access. Those are two.

1103
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: I got some chocolate in my peanut butter moments, like,

1104
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: there's an overlap there, And so for me, it's just

1105
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: sort of short sighted. And again I'm not saying this

1106
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: is a way to complain. I'm just saying it to illustrate, Like,

1107
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: do I wish we could do a lot more stuff?

1108
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 2: Yes?

1109
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: Do? I feel like the tours are in their own

1110
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: ways and a lot of these networks are in their

1111
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: own ways. Absolutely, And to me, all of the critiques

1112
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: and all of the seeing people get excited about pickleball,

1113
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: it's because so many things are lacking in our own infrastructure,

1114
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: and it's to me it is a zero some game.

1115
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: Having been in rooms with investors, with venture capitalists, with

1116
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: private equity groups and having them say to me, oh, well,

1117
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: we're not really that interested in tennis because you know

1118
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: what's exciting is pickleball, And I say, but the global reach,

1119
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: the actual product, the players, the history, the culture, the fashion.

1120
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: Then they say, yeah, but pickleball is like it just

1121
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: seems easier, and it's like, you know what, that's true.

1122
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: That's true. There's probably less headaches, less tours, less you know,

1123
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 1: they're probably willing to do stuff with you. They're probably

1124
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: willing to play the long game, and they're probably willing to,

1125
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, from an organizational standpoint, beat the drum of

1126
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: their product, which is bad. But that's not something the

1127
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: tennis world is willing to do. And I really, really

1128
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: really would love to see that change.

1129
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: Listen. I could go on and on about, you know,

1130
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: the amount of the lack, in my opinion, the lack

1131
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: of marketing from the WTA standpoint, and I'm only going

1132
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 2: to talk about the WTA because I don't know enough

1133
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: about it from the ATP standfort point. But you know,

1134
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: when you had shit crowds in Dallas or and Fort

1135
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: Worth last year for the WTA Finals, and they said, well,

1136
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: we didn't have a lot of time. What I don't

1137
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 2: care if you have one month or two months. I

1138
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 2: mean we put a party together in La Two hundred

1139
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 2: and fifty people came in six days. We put that together. Like,

1140
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: if you have the outreach and the people, the brand

1141
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: and the understanding, and you have players that you know

1142
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: have already you know, solidified themselves into the WTA Finals,

1143
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: and you don't have them on Good Morning America or

1144
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: the Today Show or CBS Morning, you would probably have

1145
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: them Good Morning America because it's a synergy with ESPN

1146
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: and the Grand Stations, whatever. It doesn't matter. Everyone's so

1147
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 2: obsessed with tennis. Trust me when I tell you there's

1148
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: a lot of superstars that obsessed with tennis. So work

1149
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: with them, get them on TV and say hey, listen

1150
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: and we're going to be in Dallas Fort Worth. There

1151
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 2: were so many people that didn't even know the tournament

1152
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: was on. Yeah in Dallas.

1153
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: I would argue, don't put it there.

1154
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: Well, I know, we can argue all we want, but

1155
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: when people in the city don't even know there's a

1156
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: fucking tennis tournament of the best tennis players in the world.

1157
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: That's on you. I'm sorry, that's on the WTA marketing

1158
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 2: and I know I'm harping on it, and they're like, well,

1159
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: you know it's money. No, it's not, it's passion. Sorry,

1160
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: it's passion, like you can play play some intern who

1161
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: plays tennis at Missouri, you know, who's in a journalism

1162
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: school to say, hey, got any creative ideas for us, Yeah,

1163
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: to get this out in the Dallas Fort Worth area.

1164
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: Well that's so, there's stop being lazy.

1165
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I think in that spirit, it's clear

1166
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: season a new tournament is around the corner that we

1167
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: are excited about.

1168
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 2: Fight up in a while.

1169
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: Well, no, it's it's it's it's such a good I.

1170
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: Just got that email the other day and basically saying like, look,

1171
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 2: you know, we can't give you anyone.

1172
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: So I'm getting texts from powerful people who should be

1173
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: not worrying about what I'm saying on Twitter and instead

1174
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: of doing their jobs. Yeah, and or or I'll take

1175
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: it from you and do it for it.

1176
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 2: And you know, as far as Santas Channel is concerned, listen,

1177
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,919
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's a lot. They have to cover

1178
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: a lot of tennis.

1179
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: And I get it, they have a lot to do,

1180
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: but it's not great. And then you and then you

1181
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: see six pickleball channels on there, and then.

1182
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: You're just concentrate on the tennis. Yea out of it?

1183
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: Right?

1184
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: They can't because they're getting paid by Pickable. He pays

1185
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: to be on tennis channel. Tennis channel have to pay

1186
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: a Miami to have the rights to have the tournament.

1187
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: Think they would be excited to make it profitable. All right, Well,

1188
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: with that in mind, there's a new season, there is

1189
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: a new surface, there are new names, there is a

1190
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: new spring breeze in the air. So maybe change is

1191
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: upon us and we can look towards you know, better days,

1192
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: because yeah, I think, oh, the harsh words are intended

1193
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,959
Speaker 1: to be taken as an impassioned critique, but also create

1194
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: a cur about like, hey, we're having a bit of

1195
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: an existential crisis. How much longer can the powers that

1196
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: be keep doing things the way that they've been done

1197
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: and stay in power?

1198
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: And you know what, I want to just throw a

1199
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 2: last thing before we hold tennis players. You also need

1200
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 2: to be a part of growing the sport, and when

1201
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 2: you're asked to do an extra five minutes or something,

1202
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 2: do it okay, because it only puts more money in

1203
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 2: your pocket. That's the bottom line, because if you can

1204
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: advertise more of the sport, you can get more out there.

1205
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: You know. Look, these players gave so much to this breakpoint,

1206
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: and they did give a lot of access, and some

1207
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: of them came to me and said, I can't believe

1208
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 2: they didn't use this stuff or that stuff or this stuff.

1209
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 2: I mean, we had a fight here, we had this here,

1210
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: and I let her into my psychology session and blah

1211
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: blah blah. They didn't use any of it. Use that

1212
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 2: stuff because the players are okay with it. If they're

1213
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: allowing you into a room when you're having a psychology

1214
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 2: half an hour session, they're obviously saying to you, you

1215
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: can use this on your show. And they didn't use

1216
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 2: that stuff on their show, which is shocking to me.

1217
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 1: Hopefully the last next couple episodes will be better.

1218
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 2: I hear it's a little bit more dramatic, so we'll

1219
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 2: find it. We'll find out very soon. Anyway. Well, thanks

1220
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: for Johnny is Hey, Nancy, thanks for writing to us.

1221
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 2: We really do appreciate you listening and all of our listeners.

1222
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: Thanks very much. I'm sorry I was a bit hot

1223
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: headed today.

1224
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: I love it all right. On that note, bye bye