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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Did he to sell out Madison Square Gardens over my

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Speaker 2: cold dead body? I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us. Guess

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Speaker 2: what did? He doesn't like being behind bars? Where are

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Speaker 2: Seawn comes?

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Speaker 1: Right now?

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Speaker 3: He's in jail.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, So he didn't get off and that's a

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Speaker 2: very poor choice of words.

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Speaker 1: So he didn't get off.

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Speaker 2: He's behind bars Madison Square Garden.

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Speaker 1: That's a jolt to the system. Whoa wa wah, wha wait.

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Speaker 4: Let me refresh that question to Rob Shooter joining us,

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Speaker 4: former publicist for Sean Combs, p R guru, host of

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Speaker 4: Naughty but Nice podcast at Robshooter dot substack dot com.

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Speaker 1: Did I get it all, Rob Shooter? Or need I

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Speaker 1: go on? He is still behind bars?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's a yes?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely Okay?

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Speaker 2: Then how is he planning a sellout at Madison Square Garden.

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Speaker 3: In the world of Dida, reality often isn't something that

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Speaker 3: he considers. What he's talking about here is that when

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Speaker 3: he finally can do this, he wants to do a

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Speaker 3: big comeback show. And we should take credit here. Nancy.

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Speaker 3: We broke this story four or five weeks ago on

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Speaker 3: your show. On this show, we broke this story. Sources

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Speaker 3: were telling me that he's planning a massive comeback. He

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Speaker 3: thinks he has won this Nancy and when he finally

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Speaker 3: can get out of jail, we don't know how long

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Speaker 3: that's going to be. Don't expect him to disappear. He's

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Speaker 3: going to come back with a bank.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying, Shooter, is that to appear at Madison

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Speaker 2: Square Garden, you.

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Speaker 1: Have to pre plan. You have to get your show together.

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Speaker 2: You've got to get your songs, you've got to get

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Speaker 2: your backup, you got to get your musicians, you got

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Speaker 2: to get sure pyrotechnics or whatever you're going to do,

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Speaker 2: and you have to get tickets out there. And he's

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Speaker 2: actually doing it.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 5: He said to me, he's going to be back in

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Speaker 5: Madison Square Guarden doing what I guess, being on stage,

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Speaker 5: you know. I mean then I said I'll be there.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I wasn't going to be right in the front.

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Speaker 5: So we'll see, we'll make it happen.

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Speaker 6: Sean Diddy. Colmbs is apparently planning a resurrection tour, telling

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Speaker 6: his attorneys he plans to eventually sell out Madison Square Garden.

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Speaker 2: Again, that's the defense attorney Agniffilow talking to our friends

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Speaker 2: at CBS, and yes, I pooh poohed him when he

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Speaker 2: was part of comparing Sean Combs to MLK and going on, hey,

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Speaker 2: let's pull up that clip from him duking it out

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Speaker 2: with Harvey Levin. It wasn't much of a duke fast

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Speaker 2: because Levin was throwing him softballs, which he missed, by

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Speaker 2: the way, But I got to give the devil is due.

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Speaker 2: He did get Diddy off on three the five felony counts,

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Speaker 2: and now he's back talking about selling out Madison Square

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Speaker 2: Garden joining me an all star panel. But first two

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Speaker 2: TASA Tales, joining us investigative reporter. She's a star of

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Speaker 2: Tasa Tales on YouTube. Tisa what exactly, Nancy?

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Speaker 3: What in the world?

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 7: One funny thing that came out there is did He's

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Speaker 7: My sourcers.

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Speaker 8: Are telling me that Didny's team is putting it out

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Speaker 8: there because he needs to prove to the public, to

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Speaker 8: himself and even a Trump to get that pardon that

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Speaker 8: he is still.

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Speaker 9: Loved the fact that his lawyer got on TV and

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Speaker 9: said he's going to be on Madison Square Garden Now,

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Speaker 9: if you look at his record cells, if you look

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Speaker 9: at his concert sales, if you look at.

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Speaker 7: The way his last album flopped, it's laughable.

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Speaker 8: However, keep in mind it was so laughable and oddly

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Speaker 8: enough and enraged the.

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Speaker 7: Public and victims so much that Diddy's.

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Speaker 8: Team the next day had to do a PR walk

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Speaker 8: back saying, oh, no, no, no, no, no, Maybe not Madison Square Garden.

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Speaker 8: I think he's just going to focus on being a

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Speaker 8: father to his children. And by children, I mean the

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Speaker 8: three boys that are pushing thirty years old, and of

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Speaker 8: course the girls that are at a young age, but

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Speaker 8: at eighteen years old. Diddy's team is a little bit

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Speaker 8: shaken up the way that he kind of thought that

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Speaker 8: walking back in and embraced by these open arms. Maybe

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Speaker 8: his PR team PR is a little bit too hard,

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Speaker 8: and did he started believing his own height.

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Speaker 7: But he was my sourcier saying, Diddy's team was shocked

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Speaker 7: at the level of anger that that Madison Square Garden

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Speaker 7: actually invoked. With the general public. You're in there telling us.

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Speaker 8: You're going to be the Martin Luther King of domestic

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Speaker 8: violence and free everybody from their evil thoughts.

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Speaker 7: You're saying you're going to make a difference. You're telling

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Speaker 7: us you're repented, you're going to take.

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Speaker 8: Time to think, and within what was it, not even

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Speaker 8: two fourteen business days, you've thrown all that out and

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Speaker 8: you're sitting there bragging to everyone before the judge even

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Speaker 8: has said that you're going to be up on Madison

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Speaker 8: Square Garden again. A lot of people took that as

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Speaker 8: a threat, and it looks like Diddy's team is trying

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Speaker 8: to walk that back into something that looks more family friendly.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they may be doing that, but Kat's out of

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Speaker 2: the bag. They've already made it public. He plans to

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Speaker 2: sell out MSG to doctor Bethany Marshall, joining us renown

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Speaker 2: psycho analyst out of La, author of deal Breaker on Amazon.

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Speaker 2: You can see her on Peacock and find her at

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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: go in a moment to Danny Pinter, who is with

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Speaker 2: the National Center on Sex Exploitation. But it just rubs

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Speaker 2: me the wrong way, all right, Yes, I know. Agnifilo

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Speaker 2: and his team got Diddy off on three charges. He's

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Speaker 2: still convicted on two felonies. I know that, but I

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Speaker 2: saw the Cassie Ventior tape. I know what the victim said,

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Speaker 2: and there are many many more victims that the state

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Speaker 2: did not use. And that's on them all right. I

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Speaker 2: was told over and over as a trial lawyer, overkill, overkill,

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Speaker 2: you're putting up too much evidence to get a conviction.

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Speaker 1: How do you know that until after the trial.

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Speaker 2: You have one swing at the ball, one bite of

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Speaker 2: the apple, and if you don't go all the way,

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Speaker 2: you could lose the case. I think there was a

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Speaker 2: lot more victims. There were a lot more victims, and

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Speaker 2: there was a lot more evidence.

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Speaker 1: They could have put up. They paired their.

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Speaker 2: Case down, and now they're reaping what they sewed. That said,

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Speaker 2: we know what the evidence is, Bethany. We know about

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Speaker 2: all the civil lawsuits. Even if you throw out half

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Speaker 1: Still got dozens and dozens of women.

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Speaker 2: That say they were drugged and raped at these parties,

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Speaker 2: the free Coughs.

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Speaker 1: I saw what happened to Cassie. I saw the bruises.

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Speaker 2: I heard the stories of when one victim would vomit

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Speaker 2: after being paddled to multiple male sex workers.

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Speaker 1: He would put it right back.

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Speaker 2: Into the free cough, put on some makeup over those bruises,

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Speaker 2: and get back in the ring.

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Speaker 1: I know all that.

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Speaker 2: And for him to be bragging he's going to sell

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Speaker 2: out Madison Square Garden, it's offensive.

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Speaker 1: It's offensive, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: And everybody who would attend that concert, I don't believe

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Speaker 7: that concert will ever take place, would be somebody who

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Speaker 7: does collude with sex trafficking. Who's going to show up

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Speaker 7: at that concert. You know the fact that he did.

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Speaker 7: He is saying this means he has absolutely no remorse

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Speaker 7: I heard him talking to Harvey Levin and he said, oh,

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Speaker 7: now he's just going to focus on being with his children.

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Speaker 7: It's just a big fat lie, Nancy. You know who

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Speaker 7: Agnifilo is not mentioning the victims. He actually said to

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Speaker 7: Harvey Levin that Gina, the third victim, is now coming

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Speaker 1: It is so laughable.

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Speaker 7: It's like the lie is being perpetuated in Nancy. The

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Speaker 7: research shows that men.

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Speaker 1: Commit in just a few moments.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to explain the impact that Gina is having

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Speaker 2: right now, and I've gotten her on tape complaining as

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Speaker 2: she should have about being forced to have an abortion

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Speaker 2: at least one abortion. Isn't it odd how people change

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Speaker 2: their tune? But that said msg Masile Square Garden bragging

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Speaker 2: about headlining there at a sellout tour to Danny Pinter

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Speaker 2: Xploit two. Danny, I remember trying rape cases, many many

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Speaker 2: would sit there waiting on the verdict, feeling like if

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Speaker 2: these women who had already been through so much, many

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Speaker 1: Their home, some of them were date rapes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's just you know, the whole gamut of

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Speaker 2: and they will never have gotten justice, and it will

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Speaker 2: their lives feeling like nobody cared and nobody believed them.

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Speaker 2: The women in this case already feel that way because

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Speaker 2: MSG Mass the square Garden, that's what he's bragging about.

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Speaker 1: It's so offensive.

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Speaker 10: If this is a narcissist who's been empowered by this

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Speaker 7: That's what it looks like to me. And it's so

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Speaker 7: telling that it's turned right back around to me, me, me, me.

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Speaker 10: He thinks he can do anything, and he's showing absolutely

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Speaker 10: no concern for the victims at all. And the fact

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Speaker 10: that his lawyers aren't even in tune with how bad

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Speaker 10: this is going to play for him and he hasn't

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Speaker 10: even gone to sentencing is disturbing, to say the least.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that. Hey, judge, are you listening?

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Speaker 2: Are you listening all that BS? I'm talking directly to you, judge,

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Speaker 2: all that BS about how he's going to be an

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Speaker 2: anti domestic violence advocate, how he's going to spend more

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Speaker 2: time with his children and start a new leaf, turn

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Speaker 2: over a new leaf. What he's doing is planning a

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Speaker 2: sellout tour at MSG. That's what's happening, Judge in your backyard. Now,

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Speaker 2: let's see what you do at sentencing. Are you gonna

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Speaker 2: buy what he's selling? In court with his grandpa? Did

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Speaker 2: he look.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace?

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Speaker 2: You know, to Rob Shooter what Danny Pinter and doctor

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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall said is a little scary.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why, Shooter, because it could happen.

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Speaker 2: It's like the trial didn't happen, The attacks on Cassie,

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Speaker 2: the attacks on all these women, the rapes, none of

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Speaker 2: it happened. If he can go and start at MSG,

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Speaker 2: it's like nothing mattered, nothing mattered.

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Speaker 1: Do you understand what I'm I mean?

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Speaker 2: I know you're all about pr but think about these

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Speaker 1: If they see.

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Speaker 2: Diddy there at MSG on the stage, what does that mean?

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Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking? Nancy, You're absolutely right, and that's why people

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Speaker 3: like you and me the panel have to keep talking

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Speaker 3: his life. We have to remind people of that PASSI tape.

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Speaker 3: We have to speak out. We've lost the first round, Nancy.

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Speaker 3: He is empowered, he's emboldened. He is not going away.

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Speaker 3: But we have to think of these victims and other victims.

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Speaker 3: But this garden, this Madison Square garden, Nancy, my sources

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Speaker 3: only is it happening, it is going to be massive.

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Speaker 3: They predict it might be more than one night. There's

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Speaker 2: I mean, Troy Slayton, Joinie Slayton, as much hbl as

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Speaker 1: He's won a lot of cases. Do I like it?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 1: Is it true?

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Speaker 2: Yes, he's renowned LA criminal defense attorney Slaton.

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Speaker 3: Just like.

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Speaker 2: You hear Shooter talking about pr and appearances. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you tell your clients when they go in court, at

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Speaker 2: least act interested, act like you're taking notes, dress up

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Speaker 2: as much as you can don't look like a slob,

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Speaker 1: It's looking studious.

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Speaker 2: I think he even got the Bible out that said,

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Speaker 1: Before sentencing? Instead of talking about all the good.

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Speaker 2: Things you're going to do when you get out to

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Speaker 11: Of course, you want to explain all the uh mitigating

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Speaker 3: He was an artist there.

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Speaker 12: I can think of other people that did horrible things,

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Speaker 1: Wayne said he's an artist too.

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Speaker 2: Remember remember John Wayne Gacy, the killer clo He says

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Speaker 1: So is Jody.

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Speaker 11: This was a failed prosecution and that means nothing. Sometimes

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Speaker 13: But that's our system.

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Speaker 11: Just because a jury came out with a verdict that

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Speaker 1: I ask you question and you go off all the system.

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Speaker 1: What's next? Are you going to spout out the constitution?

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Speaker 2: I asked you, Nancy, this is a bad look.

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Speaker 1: He's supposed to be helping other people.

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Speaker 2: Nobody said high under a rock and you said when

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Speaker 14: If he's able to jail, if he's able to earn money,

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Speaker 14: then he's able to better help the community, better help

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Speaker 14: about wanting to be a sex victims counselor.

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Speaker 1: A sex victims counselor doctor Bethany Marshall, did you just

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Speaker 1: hear that.

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Speaker 2: That Sean comm says he wants to be a sex

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Speaker 2: victims counselor You.

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Speaker 1: Know what, Nancy, that's what I do.

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Speaker 2: Give this sex victim of drink and say down it, honey,

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Speaker 7: This is like Casey Anthony saying she's going to work

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Speaker 7: I think is motivating this Madison Street Garden concert. It's

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Speaker 7: a good way to procure victims. What better way to

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Speaker 7: to domestically abuse than to throw a huge concert and

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Speaker 7: send your minions out into the audience and find fans,

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Speaker 7: find adoring fans. Nancy, he needs to put the band

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Speaker 7: back together again in terms of his whole weekness he was.

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Speaker 1: Accused of rico.

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Speaker 7: He's going to have a team that helps him throw

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Speaker 7: this concert. And this team could be employed for all

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Speaker 2: You know, I was earlier playing where the defense attorney

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Speaker 2: Agniffilo was talking about Seawan Combs appearing at Madison Square Garden. Yes,

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Speaker 2: many underestimated him when he appeared on Harvey Levin's show

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Speaker 1: Called them freak ops.

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Speaker 5: But you know, back when I was a kid in

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Speaker 5: the late seventies, they were called threesomes.

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Speaker 14: If these are genuinely threesomes, how do you explain a

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Speaker 14: thousand bottles of baby oil?

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Speaker 5: I don't know where the number one thousand came.

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Speaker 3: The US attorney said, I can't.

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Speaker 1: Imagine it's thousands.

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Speaker 15: I mean, you know, and I'm not really sure what

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Speaker 14: They're essentially saying it's a lubricant for an orgy.

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Speaker 15: I guess I don't know what you need A thousand.

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Speaker 15: One bottle of baby oil goes a long way. I

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Speaker 15: don't know what you need to need a thousand for.

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Speaker 15: I mean, he has a big house. He buys in bulk,

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Speaker 15: you know. I think they have costcos in every place

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Speaker 3: Not a thousand bottles of baby oil.

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Speaker 15: I don't think it was a thousand.

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Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was a let's

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Speaker 1: just say it's a lie.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that is.

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Speaker 2: From my friend Harvey Levin Ever at TMC shooter help me.

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Speaker 2: Harvey Levin practically had to spell l U b R

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Speaker 2: I C a anti lubricunt. This is the guy that

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Speaker 2: masterminded getting Sean Combs off three counts. I think, yes,

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Speaker 2: maybe it was TS. I find it really hard to

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Speaker 3: It's so shocking in life. This goes against everything that

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Speaker 3: turned that upside down. This clearly wasn't a pretty good defense.

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Speaker 3: In fact, it was pretty terrible. But they managed the

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Speaker 3: three three largest charges here. So there's something with us, Nancy.

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Speaker 3: It's not them. We got this wrong.

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Speaker 2: Aside from his bumblings with Harvey Levin, this is what

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Speaker 2: Agnifilo is saying now.

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Speaker 1: And he's not the only one.

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Speaker 2: Rob Shooter broke it here weeks ago about Madison Square Garden.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to Agnifilo speaking to CBS.

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Speaker 5: He said to me, he's be back in Madison Square

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Speaker 5: I mean then I said, I'll be there. I mean,

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Speaker 5: So we'll see, we'll make it happen.

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Speaker 6: Sean Diddy Colmbs is apparently planning a resurrection tour, telling

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Speaker 3: Like a winner. It will prove to him what he thinks,

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Speaker 3: which is he is above the Lord, that he is special,

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Speaker 1: Want to tell you about me?

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Speaker 13: So?

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Speaker 1: What should I go? Hide to my soap? A secret

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Speaker 2: All that business about helping domestic assault victims, opening up

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Speaker 1: Last couple of decades. Yeah, forget all that now.

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Speaker 2: Combs is focused on selling out Madison Square Garden.

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Speaker 1: But along the way he's whining.

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Speaker 6: Listen, did he whinds about inhumane conditions at the MDC

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Speaker 6: cleaning His meals consists of expired or maggot infested food.

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Speaker 6: His attorneys point out that conditions are unlikely to improve

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Speaker 6: with recent budget cuts. Judge Supermanei encounters Combs acknowledges MDC

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Speaker 6: cushy Miami mansion where numerous freak offs took place.

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Speaker 2: So back to the scene of the crime, joining me

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Speaker 2: now a special guest, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Warden MDC,

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Speaker 2: also shared an Oregon former senior Warden US Department of Justice,

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Speaker 2: Federal Bureau of Prisons. It goes on and on and on.

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Speaker 2: President New Daylight Foundation and author who are you see it?

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Speaker 1: Say it? Sees it? Doctor Hendrix? What say you about

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Speaker 1: Seawan comes this claim, I don't look this food.

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Speaker 13: Wait, I say what I've been saying for the last

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Speaker 13: ten months. He just needs to be quiet. He needs

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Speaker 13: other stuff. He just needs to focus on what's going

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Speaker 13: that really pis me off about all of this. If

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Speaker 13: to take ownership of his actions, he needs to have

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Speaker 13: That is the only time that he's really going to

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Speaker 13: And as far as him trying to do his time

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Speaker 13: The only way that would change is that they give

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Speaker 13: in terms of the attorneys using low hanging fruit that

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Speaker 13: mills with maggots, let me tell you something right now,

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Speaker 13: if someone served an inmate a meal with maggots, it

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Speaker 13: the other thing in it. I'm gonna leave it right here.

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Speaker 13: Why is he not talking advocating for his other inmates

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Speaker 13: Why don't he talk about prison reform other than just

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Speaker 1: Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, I believe you said.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to leave it right there, but I know

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Speaker 2: you're used to being the big warden at MDC. You're

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Speaker 2: in Nancy Land now and you're not going anywhere until

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Speaker 2: I'm through with you. And I am not through with

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Speaker 1: And I can't believe Bethany.

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Speaker 2: Marshall has been all over this still saying he didn't

441
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Speaker 2: do it, instead of taking any responsibility at all. I

442
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Speaker 2: will throw that to Bethany in a moment, but I

443
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Speaker 2: want to follow up on this maggot infested food claim, now,

444
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Speaker 2: doctor Hendrix, isn't it true?

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Speaker 1: You're a former.

446
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Speaker 2: Warden at m Mother d Dog Capital MDC in Brooklyn.

447
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Speaker 1: Isn't that true?

448
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Speaker 13: Yes, it is true.

449
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Speaker 2: And isn't that where Sean comes is now the MDC

450
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Speaker 2: your former workplace.

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Speaker 13: Right, yes, ma'am, Yes, and.

452
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Speaker 2: He is accusing your workplace of serving maggot infested food. Now,

453
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: you said that would be a crime, And I got

454
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Speaker 2: to tell you something, doctor Hendricks. I've been in so

455
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Speaker 2: many sea eyes, jails, youth facilities, GV jails, halfway houses, rehabs,

456
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Speaker 2: you name it. Typically looking for witnesses that said, I've

457
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Speaker 2: seen the food.

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Speaker 1: I've eaten the food. I never saw anything like that.

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Speaker 2: And I've been in jails and seais all over this country.

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Speaker 2: Never have I seen anything like that. Explain what you

461
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Speaker 2: meant when you said that would be criminal?

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Speaker 13: Okay, So a sack launcher we call a box miil

463
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Speaker 13: when they're the operation been shut down, whether it be

464
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Speaker 13: through a COVID outbreak or an incident at the institution.

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Speaker 13: We don't serve inmates hot meals. We give them box

466
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Speaker 13: mill what we call a sack lunch, which will be

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Speaker 13: something like a bread, a processed meat such as a

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Speaker 13: baloney sandwich, or a cake you know, in a bag

469
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Speaker 13: or something like that, or maybe even a powdered drink. Okay, However,

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Speaker 13: and again those are less than edible than the meals

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Speaker 13: that they serve on a daily basis. But in no way,

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Speaker 13: shape or form will someone an inmate because it may

473
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Speaker 13: serve the other inmates. There's no way another inmate will

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Speaker 13: pass on a meal to another inmate with maggots in it.

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Speaker 13: So again I've questioned some about box meals in the

476
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Speaker 13: past in terms of how edible they may or may

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Speaker 13: not be. But in no way, shape or form a

478
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Speaker 13: maggot will be ever served.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by that? What do you mean

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Speaker 2: you question the box meals in the past? What do

481
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Speaker 2: you mean you question them?

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Speaker 1: Look, I don't want them maggots, Okay, I understand.

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Speaker 13: That, because they are, I mean, and that's why they

484
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Speaker 13: can only eat box meals for three days. After that

485
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Speaker 13: they have to have a hot meal, because ultimately he's

486
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Speaker 13: wrong with the boxed meal.

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Speaker 1: What do you think was wrong?

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Speaker 8: What?

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Speaker 1: It just didn't taste good?

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Speaker 13: No, they have no nutritional value. And if you if

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Speaker 13: you have a person in there with diabetes or any

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Speaker 13: other pronic.

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Speaker 2: Issue, so suddenly Twitter, you're worried about nutritional value.

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Speaker 1: So your con was the nutritional value? Do I have

495
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Speaker 1: that right?

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Speaker 16: You have that right?

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Speaker 2: Yes, we never seen what Seawan comes is describing doctor Jenner.

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Speaker 13: Ever, I've never seen a maggot or any worms or

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Speaker 13: any other parasites crawling in a meal that is served

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Speaker 13: in a prison.

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Speaker 1: I have not Have you ever eaten the food, Hendrix?

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Speaker 13: Yes I have, And as an executive staff member, we

503
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Speaker 13: were charged with eating at least one meal during the week,

504
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Speaker 13: whether it's during the lunch meal or if we're making

505
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Speaker 13: rounds in the evenings on the weekends, and all the

506
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Speaker 13: duty officers are.

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Speaker 1: Charged with eating your milky and what was the meal?

508
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Speaker 1: What did you eat today?

509
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Speaker 13: They're having spaghetti, they're having what are called school pizza,

510
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Speaker 13: you know, those little square pizzas we used to get

511
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Speaker 13: in school. And then they'll have maybe a salad. And

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Speaker 13: if they're on a no flesh meal, they may just

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Speaker 13: have like a peanut butroter and jelly sandwich or some

514
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Speaker 13: sort of protein, maybe beans or something like that to

515
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Speaker 13: make up for the nutritional value for those who don't

516
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Speaker 13: eat meat.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now we're talking about vegetarians, so you have vegetarian

518
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Speaker 2: meals too.

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Speaker 13: Yes, we have vegetarian bils for religious purposes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Dwayne Hendrix, I'm going to ask you to

521
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Speaker 2: go out on a limb. Seawan Comms is saying he

522
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Speaker 2: is getting maggot infested food at your old work home, MDC.

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Speaker 1: Is he lying?

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Speaker 13: He is lying unless I hear otherwise he is lying

525
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Speaker 13: because there's no way inmates serve other inmates. You will

526
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Speaker 13: never do that. And a staff member wouldn't allow that

527
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Speaker 13: to happen because again, that would be criminal.

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Speaker 2: Okay, between Sean and doctor Dwayne Hendricks, I think I'm

529
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Speaker 2: going to go with Hendricks. Okay, straight out to Rob

530
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Speaker 2: Shooter joining us. He practically lived with Sean Combs as

531
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Speaker 2: his pr guru.

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Speaker 1: Shooter. What would be Diddy's typical breakfast?

533
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Speaker 3: Ooh did he for? Breakfast? Would have salmon eggs. It

534
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: would be very very glamorous, maybe a little bit of caviaar,

535
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Speaker 3: maybe even some lobster. So he would eat very very

536
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Speaker 3: well throughout the day. It would all be prepared by

537
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Speaker 3: a private chef. He had a private chef that lived

538
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Speaker 3: with him, and also too, he did enjoy going to

539
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Speaker 3: a restaurants. I very very very rarely saw him ever

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Speaker 3: eat dinner at home. Five six, seven nights a week.

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Speaker 3: He would be at the top restaurants in New York City,

542
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Speaker 3: Miami and around the world.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, my brain froze at the word caviar? Could

544
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Speaker 2: you repeat what comes is used to having for breakfast?

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Speaker 3: Puff would eat the best, the most expensive, the most

546
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Speaker 3: luxurious food in the world, including caviat that had probably

547
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Speaker 3: been flown in fresh salmon, often flowing in from Alaska.

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Speaker 3: For him, he lived like a king. Nancy.

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Speaker 1: What he got what from Alaska?

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Speaker 3: Fresh salmon would be flowing in from Alaska. Fresh fish.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't have that at All's in Kroger.

552
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: So I don't even know what you're talking about. Okay,

553
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: fresh salmon flown and from Alaska for him to have

554
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Speaker 2: for breakfast.

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Speaker 3: You'd better believe it, Dadsie. His meat would be coming

556
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Speaker 3: from Texas, the freshest food you can imagine. And he'd

557
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Speaker 3: have a chef to prepare all this for him. He

558
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Speaker 3: was not much of a cook. I never actually ever

559
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Speaker 3: saw him in the kitchen. And so he had a chef,

560
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Speaker 3: a full time chef that lived at his residence and

561
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Speaker 3: would travel with him. I was on a private plane

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Speaker 3: once with Puff and the chef was on the plane

563
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Speaker 3: when he flew from New York to Miami to LA

564
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Speaker 3: That's his plane. A chef would be on that plane,

565
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Speaker 3: and also too, Nancy. They would serve fine dining on

566
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Speaker 3: the plane. There was always a lot of food, good

567
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Speaker 3: food around us.

568
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Speaker 1: Now did he's whining about his food? Boo? The hey,

569
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Speaker 1: who did he labor?

570
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Speaker 7: Blaming the women, blaming the victims. This is as old

571
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Speaker 7: as time.

572
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Speaker 2: The women's provoked him to violence.

573
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Speaker 1: It's their fault.

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Speaker 2: What should they be behind bars? And the choir boy

575
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Speaker 2: walks three. Yes, his lawyers actually referred to him as

576
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Speaker 2: a choir boy. Now he claims he's going to sell

577
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: out MSG Madison Square Garden. But whoa woo wah, wait

578
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Speaker 2: a minute now coming to Sean Combs.

579
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Speaker 1: His aid is a woman many of us know as.

580
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Speaker 2: Victim number three, the woman that complained on air. He

581
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Speaker 2: forced her into an abortion and mistreated her.

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Speaker 1: We can only ask.

583
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Speaker 2: Ourselves, why the sod turn, Why the bizarre change of coat,

584
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Speaker 2: Why now speaking out to help get Sean comes out

585
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: of jail. I'm talking about the GF girlfriend Gina Federal prosecutor's.

586
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Speaker 6: Star witness goes Mia. Their attempts to reach Victim three

587
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Speaker 6: and her attorney failed. The disappearance even more shocking, as

588
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Speaker 6: prosecutors said Victim three no longer wanted to testify.

589
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 17: Tim Zab reports the woman refusing to cooperate. Prosecutors said

590
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Speaker 17: Victim three would disclose very personal and exclusive details concerning

591
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Speaker 17: abuse she suffered under calms.

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Speaker 1: And exactly who is Gina listen.

593
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Speaker 6: Gina is fashion and travel blogger Virginia, who in her

594
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 6: relationship with Diddy began on Valentine's Day after a chance

595
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Speaker 6: meeting in Miami, and she continued to see Combs for

596
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 6: about five years, deeply in love with him, despite his

597
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 6: relationship with Cassie or break up. In twenty nineteen, Gina

598
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Speaker 6: gave an emotional interview detailing physical abuse from Colms in

599
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Speaker 6: two instances where he pressured her into getting an abortion.

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Speaker 18: He was like, you're gonna get an abortion, right, and

601
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Speaker 18: then I was like, I don't know. Uh, I don't

602
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Speaker 18: know yet. And then and then he offered me fifty

603
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Speaker 18: thousand to get rid of it. If you would always

604
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Speaker 18: compare me to Cassie and tell me that I'm the

605
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Speaker 18: bad one and she's a good one.

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Speaker 7: And he was with both of you guys at the

607
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Speaker 7: same time.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, the only person that ever helped me was de Rock.

609
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Speaker 18: Everyone else just kind of just allowed it to happen

610
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Speaker 18: and just like, look the other way.

611
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Speaker 2: That from our friends that Unwine with Tasha Kay on YouTube,

612
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Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace tells there was the forced abortion.

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Speaker 2: According to the GF girlfriend Gina who in and there

614
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Speaker 2: is the statement, the only person that helped me was

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Speaker 2: d rock.

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Speaker 1: Everyone else kind of allowed it to happen. I assume

617
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Speaker 1: that means the beatings and the abuse.

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Speaker 2: So why the sudden screech of the brakes and the

619
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Speaker 2: U turn. Now she's actually writing letters and petitioning the

620
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Speaker 2: judge to let Sean comes out of jail.

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Speaker 8: Listen, nobody knows why she's doing it. From both the

622
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 8: outside looking in, it seems pretty evident. A lot of

623
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Speaker 8: people think it might have been a payoff. But my

624
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Speaker 8: firsts are saying that Gina will always be this man's full.

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Speaker 8: You know, you talk about the interview with Tasha Kaye

626
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Speaker 8: and you talk about the abortion. This man that was

627
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Speaker 8: a billionaire offered her five k for an abortion, and

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Speaker 8: you know what Gena's.

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Speaker 7: Response was, She did it for free, and she was.

630
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Speaker 8: A single month and she did it on her own

631
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Speaker 8: dime because she didn't want his money.

632
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Speaker 7: She wanted to be the pro one to prove that

633
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 7: all his women his whole hare.

634
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Speaker 8: She didn't want anything from him but his love, and

635
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 8: he knew that, and he waved over her shoulder. Jena

636
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Speaker 8: Han victim number three, as sad as it is, and

637
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Speaker 8: I try not to be too judgmental because to me

638
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Speaker 8: it seems like she is clearly in still the mental abuse. Okay,

639
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 8: but she was the lynchpin that I believe made the

640
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 8: prosecution's case fall apart.

641
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Speaker 7: If you go back to that interview, she said exactly.

642
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Speaker 8: What Cassie said happened to her, and also what Jane

643
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Speaker 8: said happen to her.

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Speaker 1: He was stomping, beating.

645
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Speaker 7: Her, kicking her in the stomach. She couldn't breathe. She

646
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 7: was begging him, please stop, please stop, I can't breathe.

647
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Speaker 8: He then, being such the gentleman, turned around and started

648
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Speaker 8: wailing on her head and beating the mess out of her.

649
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Speaker 1: On her head.

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Speaker 8: He was dragging her down halls by her here he

651
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 8: was forcing her to get abortions, and Gina took all

652
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Speaker 8: of it.

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Speaker 1: She was danding a billionaire.

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Speaker 7: She became a joke online for those of you who

655
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Speaker 7: don't know, or.

656
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 8: She was dancing in an apartment with dirty carpet as

657
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Speaker 8: a single mom, trying to prove she was worthy.

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Speaker 7: Cassie was always a good one. She was the bad one.

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Speaker 7: Diddy pitted her against her.

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Speaker 1: Gina is a.

661
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Speaker 7: Tragic figure, but she's also an arrogant.

662
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 8: Foolish, god ridiculous figure that has everybody so upset.

663
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 7: Oddly enough, it seems like that letter.

664
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 8: To Judge Aaron might have backfired because Judge Aaron himself said.

665
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 7: It doesn't matter what gen and this isn't a prior filing.

666
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 8: It doesn't matter what Gina might have said to your defense.

667
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: She also went.

668
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 8: Online and he referenced that Tasha k interview and said

669
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 8: the horrible things that you did.

670
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 7: So again, Gina is in fool's territory.

671
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 8: She has a lot of people mad, but again she

672
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 8: is coming out with an arrogant then had you scratching

673
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 8: your head and going back to Rob said did he

674
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 8: a magician?

675
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 7: What type of mind control? She went online if I

676
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 7: haven't seen the tweets and said, you guys are she's.

677
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 9: I've never been a follower, which is ironic because you

678
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 9: are the epitity of mind control and follow she called

679
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 9: us goofies, said she's always going to be ten tolls

680
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 9: down and she's a.

681
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 7: Real a b whatever that means. I look at this

682
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 7: means she is a real dummy.

683
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 19: Again, trying hard to hold sympathy, and I'm sure I'm

684
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 19: just just stunned about the sudden about face because I

685
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 19: watched that interview with Tasha Kay, over and.

686
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: Over, she said a lot more.

687
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: And the judge is right, Doctor Bethany Marshall, to see

688
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: an abuse victim at that level of abuse suddenly turncoat,

689
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: change the story and begged the judge to let him out.

690
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen anything like it?

691
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 7: All the time, Nancy, Sadly, this is not on with

692
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 7: domestic violence victims. This is a very very common thing.

693
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 7: I remember sitting in the green room when all of

694
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 7: Tiger Woods's girlfriends kept streaming in for all these shows

695
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 7: on CNN and HLN, and I talked to all of them,

696
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 7: and each one said the same thing.

697
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: They said, you.

698
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 7: Know, we knew there were other women. We knew he

699
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 7: was married, We knew he wasn't going to give us

700
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 7: anything at all, but we all thought we were going

701
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 7: to be the special one. We all thought he was

702
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 7: going to choose us instead of the other. You know, Nancy,

703
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 7: we are wired for attachment, and for somebody like Gina,

704
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 7: that idea of winning out over Cassie Ventura, of being

705
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 7: supported financially, of winning over the love object, conquering him,

706
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 7: turning him around, getting the love that she never had

707
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 7: from him, that can be very intoxicating, Like an aphrodisiac.

708
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 7: So she went on all these shows complaining about what

709
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 7: he did to her, but now now well, she refuses

710
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 7: to put her thoughts together about the reality of what happened.

711
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 7: It's very frustrating and I'm glad the judge sees right

712
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 7: through it.

713
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner, I want to follow up on what doctor

714
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: Bethany is saying. Sidney Sumner, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter.

715
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: It seems like just yesterday, Sydney, that you and I

716
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: were talking about Seawn Combs trying to intimidate witnesses from

717
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: behind bars. Do you remember those incidents? I mean, Gina

718
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: when is a witness an intended witness although she didn't

719
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 2: show up. Now, could you refresh my recollection, Sydney, about

720
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: claims Shawn Combs was intimidating and or trying to.

721
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: Bribe such an ugly word convince witnesses not to testify.

722
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 16: Absolutely, so we know from prosecutors that Diddy is accused

723
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 16: of convincing other inmates to allow him to use their

724
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 16: code to access the phone to call people witnesses that

725
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 16: he was not supposed to be in contact with. So

726
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 16: prosecutors star witnesses Diddy was reaching out pretending to be

727
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 16: calling as another inmate in order to gain access to

728
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 16: those individuals, So that was pretty crazy. And then beyond that,

729
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 16: he also used his own phone number code but would

730
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 16: call one of his sons and then have one of

731
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 16: them patch in one of those protected witnesses that he

732
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 16: was not supposed to be contacting. And even before that,

733
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 16: we know that he contacted a Danity Cane member. So

734
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 16: this was just a few days after Don Richard came

735
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 16: out and claimed that Ditty was abusive on the set

736
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 16: of making the band. He contacted another Danity Cane member

737
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 16: to two hundred times in forty eight hours until she

738
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 16: finally posted something publicly that said I don't remember things

739
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 16: going down like that. So Dinny is not opposed to

740
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 16: reaching out to witnesses and getting them to say what

741
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 16: he wants them to say, whether that's through money. Threttz,

742
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 16: You've no stranger to witness tampering.

743
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: Rob Sheheeter joining me at Robsheeter dot substack dot com.

744
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 2: Former prgury four comes, Wow, what a coinky dink. After

745
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: watching Tasha Kay's interview with Gina Howen repeatedly and all

746
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: the things she said happened to her at the hands

747
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: of Shawn Combs. Now suddenly you turn about face and

748
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 2: she's writing the judge a legal letter asking for Shawn Combs.

749
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: To be freed. Huh, what do you think happened?

750
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: A couple of things here. First of all, I have

751
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 3: great sympathy for her. I feel like she's a victim

752
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: here who's been used, who's been played. If she's watching

753
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 3: right now, we talk out to her, Gina, this is

754
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 3: a terrible mistake. He does not care about you, He

755
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: has never cared about you, and now trying to help him.

756
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: He's not going to care once he doesn't need you.

757
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: So it's a very dangerous game she's playing here. Also too,

758
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: there might be some financial aspect of this. Is he

759
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 3: paying her rent? Is he going to help her out? Puffy?

760
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 3: It can be very generous when he wants stuff. And

761
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: I think as well, she loved him in a sperverted

762
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 3: type of way that he encouraged. Now that the other

763
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: ladies have gone from his life, maybe she thinks she

764
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: can be his lead, his number one girlfriend. It's a tragic, tragic,

765
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 3: tragic place that we're in here, and it's not going

766
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 3: to end well.

767
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: And let me be clear, we have no evidence that

768
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 2: a bribe or a threat occurred to make Gina Hawen

769
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: change her Let me think to make Gina Hawen write

770
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: a legal letter to the jud But again, Rob Shooter,

771
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: when you don't know a horse, look at his track record.

772
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: He was already caught, according to report, trying to convince.

773
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: That's certainly putting perfume on the pig a euphemism. Trying

774
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: to convince witnesses to either testify in his behalf or

775
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: not testify. Okay, he orchestrated the whole trial, and it worked.

776
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: He got off on three accounts.

777
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: It worked. I think what we can say here with

778
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 3: Anthony dat is that the law doesn't apply to did

779
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: he in his own mind, and so did He will

780
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 3: do whatever it takes to get the results he wants.

781
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 3: And if he has to talk to people to get letters,

782
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: to get endorsements, he will do it. He will promise

783
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: people the world. When he needs you, there is nobody

784
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: more charming than Puff. When he doesn't need you, she

785
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 3: ain't ever going to hear from him again.

786
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: Go to Bethony help me out here.

787
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: Why would any woman in her right mind want to

788
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 2: be first in the line of many? I mean, what

789
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: You're going to be queen of the victims. You're going

790
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: to be the victim queen. All these women that want

791
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: to be with Sean Comes, why would you want that?

792
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 2: I don't get it. And another thing, if you get

793
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 2: Sean Comes, it's like a dog tastes it a car.

794
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: What do you do when you catch it?

795
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 7: That's right, Nancy, I think it's part of a cycle.

796
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 7: I would imagine when she first met p Diddy, he

797
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 7: charmed her, he gave her gifts, he maybe financially supported her,

798
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 7: and then so she bonded with the charming Pee Diddy,

799
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 7: and then when he started to neglect and abuse her,

800
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 7: she began to rationalize, well, that's not the real Pea Diddy.

801
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 7: The real Pea Diddy was the one who gave me

802
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 7: the diamond ring and took me out to all that

803
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 7: fine dining. And then when the neglect became more severe,

804
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 7: she probably rationalized, well, he's just busy, he doesn't have

805
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 7: time to call me. And then when he swoops in

806
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 7: and manipulates her and says, you know what, baby, I

807
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 7: know there's all these stories of other women, but you

808
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 7: know what, or other men to Freudian slip, you know, baby,

809
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 7: You're the most important one.

810
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: That's like, oh my god, I am.

811
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 7: The most important one. We know that the p deities

812
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 7: of these world are of this world are incredibly manipulative,

813
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 7: and she might be one of these women who just

814
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 7: allows herself to be manipulated because in some way she's

815
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 7: a frustrating character and she's a sympathetic character all at

816
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 7: the same time. Rob Shooter was right, we should have

817
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 7: empathy for her. But Tisa TL's also saying she's in foolsland.

818
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 7: We have to hold intention both sides of Gina Madison

819
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 7: Square Garden.

820
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: My rare end.

821
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: Troy Slayton actually thinks it's going to happen that Sean

822
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: Combs aka Diddy's going to sell out MSG. Okay, I'll

823
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: be eating a dirt sandwich again if that happens. But Slayton,

824
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 2: what do you do when a witness completely changes their team.

825
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Gena.

826
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 11: You think your lucky stars because she wrote to the

827
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 11: judge that he's not a danger to the community, that

828
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 11: all of his alleged violent acts were years and years ago,

829
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 11: that she thinks he should be released on bail pending

830
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 11: his sentencing in October.

831
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,959
Speaker 3: I think that she is a gift to.

832
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 11: The defense at this point, because she's alleged to have

833
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 11: been victim number three, and if one of the government's

834
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 11: own victims is advocating for the defendant to be released,

835
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 11: I think that that's a gift to the Didy defense team.

836
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: Well wait a minute, why wait, wait, wait, Tasa tails,

837
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: didn't the judge poop poo the whole thing?

838
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: Did he poop pooh her letter? Judge poo the whole thing?

839
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 7: Did he try to get the warrant thrown out a

840
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 7: while ago.

841
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: Saying ginas on myself.

842
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 7: Well, back then he referred towards victim number three is

843
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 7: on my side? What are you talking about? She says,

844
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 7: I'm a changed man.

845
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 20: Judge Aaron literally wrote in his opinion, Fine, she might

846
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 20: be on your side now, and I'm paraphrasing, but she

847
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 20: also said these things about you, and he distinctly referenced

848
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 20: to Tasha k interview.

849
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 7: So Judge Aaron is not fighting for it.

850
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 8: I think Diddy might be doing this for a pr motive,

851
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 8: saying the women have forgive me.

852
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 7: Who are we the public to.

853
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 8: Stand in to stand in jury judge execution before them?

854
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 8: Maybe that he thinks is going to help him get

855
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 8: back on Madison Square Garden, but at this point it

856
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 8: seems like it's the kitchen sink. Interestingly enough, that letter

857
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 8: Gina wrote, if you actually read.

858
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 7: It, and I know you have, there's something.

859
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: Very interesting in it.

860
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 8: She said, he stands accused of these crimes. She submitted

861
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 8: it after he was convicted. Me thinks that when Gina

862
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 8: decided to go missing and maybe money was found in

863
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 8: her bank account, maybe not.

864
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 7: Gina also wrote this letter.

865
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 8: In anticipation, and they decided now to submit it thinking

866
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 8: it will help.

867
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: Again. Interesting language.

868
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 7: He stands accused, not convicted.

869
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 2: Well, you know what comes has other issues. He's got

870
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: other fish to fry, including I'll be Sure accusing Sean

871
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: Combs of having a hand and the death of kim Porter.

872
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 6: Listen in a now deleted Instagram post, kim Porter's ex

873
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 6: An R and B singer I'll be Sure accuses the

874
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 6: Diddy Machine of funding a large scale social media campaign

875
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 6: to silence his claims that otherwise healthy, forty seven year

876
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 6: old Porter did not die of pneumonia but was murdered.

877
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 6: Sure says at least thirty news outlets were paid to

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Speaker 6: scrub hashtag kim Porter from the media.

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Speaker 1: Cycle.

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Speaker 6: But he will not be dragged through the mud as

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Speaker 6: an attention seeker or a clout chaser for speaking out.

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Speaker 1: The truth of those claims remains to be seen, but

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Speaker 1: I still say that the murder of Tupac Shakur I

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Speaker 1: ain't over yet. You hear me, Daddy?

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,