1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: The volume. This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: What is up Straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight 3 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: Fire for Thursday, February fifteenth. Bit of a somber vibe 4 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: around the podcast, around the sports world today. These are 5 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: never fun to do. But when there is a shooting 6 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: at the Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl parade and we're 7 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: not going to speculate on motivation or all that that's 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: going to come out in the media here in the 9 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: next few days and weeks, it's just a really crappy 10 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: way to end the NFL season. 11 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: And you know, it's it's just absolutely brutal. 12 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: I cannot remember a school, you know, a shooting at 13 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 2: a parade. Now this unfortunately, mash are happening like all 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: the time. Now it's becoming so commonplace that we're just like, oh, 15 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: another mass shooting. It's a little depressing that this would 16 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: happen at a parade. And these videos are coming out, 17 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: I mean instantly yesterday on social media. It's like, here's 18 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: random heroes tackling a shooter and it's just like, what 19 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 2: the hell? These are people who kids come out of 20 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 2: school to go to the parade. This is celebrating and 21 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: it's going back to back first team in nineteen years 22 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: or so. The excitement, the joy, Patrick Mahomes say, and 23 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 2: we're going to repeat Kelsey lubricated is an awesome scene. 24 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: And then this has to be ruined by a shooting. 25 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: And folks. 26 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: Getting political when it comes to sports always sucks. It's 27 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: never fun. People like to use sports as an escape. 28 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: But I don't think there's any way this is not 29 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: going to become one of those situations. And Patrick Mahomes 30 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: is going to be at the center of Hey man, 31 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: you are the head honcho in Kansas City. You are 32 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: the man you delivered back to back Super Bowls, back 33 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 2: to back Super Bowl MVPs. You are the most recognizable 34 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: face in football right now. Tom Brady has retired, he 35 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 2: has passed the baton to you. Is the face of 36 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: the NFL, and I believe people will expect Patrick Mahomes 37 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: to come out and speak out against this instead of 38 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: just firing off a generic tweet about prayers for Kansas City. 39 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: He had no shit sherlocked prayers for Kansas City. 40 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: I mean, at some point, you know, Patrick Mahomes is 41 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 2: gonna have to listen. I know people don't want to 42 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: hear this, like he's gonna have to get involved. And 43 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: we saw famously Michael Jordan did not want to step 44 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: foot in this stuff, the political realm, and Michael Jordan, 45 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: of course, you know Republicans by sneakers too or whatever 46 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: the line was. 47 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: Lebron James went totally the other way. He is all in. 48 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: He does not care that half of the audience hates him, 49 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 2: half of America a bunch of you know, I'm never 50 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 2: watching the NBA because of Lebron and his political crap. Well, 51 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just shooting at the Chiefs parade. 52 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: This is at your parade, Mahomes. You are the face 53 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: of the league, and the face of the league has 54 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: been you know, Joe Montana and Brett Farv, Peyton Manning slash, 55 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 2: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and you can see all those 56 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: guys and you could do the googling. 57 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: I've done it. 58 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: They kind of lean one way, and that's fine whatever. 59 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: Hey try to avoid politics. But at some point Patrick 60 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: Mahomes is probably gonna have to come out and speak 61 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: and be like, hey, idiots, can you lead the guns 62 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: at home? 63 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: And I happen to google the gun. 64 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: Laws in the chief state and it's like, oh gosh, 65 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: oh my gosh. So I mean, there could have been 66 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: who knows how many people carrying at a parade where 67 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: there's just kids around and everything. 68 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 3: It's just it's one of those ugly stories. 69 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: And I don't know. All I know is Patrick Mahomes 70 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: could be a change agent here. People will listen to them. 71 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: There's a lot of people who are probably depressed and sad, 72 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: and Patrick Mahomes of what the Chiefs have done have 73 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: lifted these people out of the doldrums and for four 74 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: five months can bring them joy and wins. And again, 75 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: I'm not a believer that you should live that way. Like, 76 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: if you can't find your own happiness, you've got some problems. 77 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: A sports team winning a championship, sure that could be 78 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: momentary excitement. 79 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, like when I was rooting for the Niners. Of 80 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 3: course I was exciting when I was when my Jets 81 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: were going to the AFC Championship game. That was fun. 82 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 2: That was a great joy ride. But like, I'm not 83 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: down in the dumps. If the Jets lose, you know, 84 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: you got bigger fish to fry. Yeah, family, kids, job, 85 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff going on but a lot 86 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: of people live and die with the Kansas City Chiefs 87 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 2: and whatever Patrick Mahomes says on any platform, be a 88 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: social media TV, he's already getting asked, I don't know 89 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: if you guys saw this on CNN this week. I 90 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: think it was forty eight hours after winning the Super 91 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: Bowl or maybe twenty four hours, and he does a 92 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: CN interview and it's like, Hey, Patrick, what do you 93 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 2: think about the conspiracy theories that you guys were destined 94 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl because of Travis Kelce and 95 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift and Pfizer whatever the lady asked. It's one 96 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: of the dumbest questions you'll see, and Mahomes just kind 97 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: of shakes it off as like, Hey, I just want 98 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: to stick to football. And I get it, you could 99 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: stick to football with the questions about conspiracy theories. I 100 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: don't think you could just stick to football with this, Like, 101 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: and I know that's Jason. Why are you putting this 102 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 2: on Patrick Mahomes. He's the face of the franchise, he's 103 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: the face of the league. He's bringing the chief super bowls. 104 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: I want to hear for Patrick Mahomes. Now, I don't 105 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: know that everybody feels that way, and I'm sure there's 106 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: a lot of people who are just like, ah, you 107 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: know what, this is just. 108 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: An unlucky moment. 109 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: Oh really, okay, all right, I don't know Rob. I'm 110 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: not trying to go in on Mahomes, you know, you know. 111 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: I like him, I like the Chiefs, I root for them. 112 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: But a shooting where double digit people are shot, and 113 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: we don't know how many of these people will end 114 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: up dying at a football parade, you gotta be kidding me. 115 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: This is something needs to be done. I'm just disgusting. 116 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 4: It's a horrible situation, and it's something that is all 117 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 4: too common here in the United States of America. It's 118 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 4: gotten to a point now where we were texting before 119 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 4: the we started recording. Quick side note, I was texting 120 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 4: with friend of the show, friend of both of watch, 121 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 4: Christy Stard, immediately in the aftermath of the shooting. Thankfully, 122 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 4: everybody on the First Things First set who were there 123 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 4: at the parade supposed to be a celebratory situation, and 124 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 4: they got cut off in the middle of the broadcast 125 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 4: and it cut away from First excuse me, from First 126 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 4: Things First to Fox News to break in on the 127 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 4: shooting and thankfully everyone was okay. He said, security got 128 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 4: in there at a rapid rate and everybody was fine, 129 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 4: So thank you for that. But as we were talking 130 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 4: about you and I before we started recording, is like 131 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 4: I've almost become numb to it, Like this happened so frequently. 132 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 4: There's always a shooting. It feels like almost every month, 133 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 4: every couple of weeks. And that's not even that's only 134 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 4: the ones we know about. Like it's something that has 135 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 4: become so commonplace that I'm surprised honestly that they broke 136 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 4: into FS one and cut the broadcast. That maybe because 137 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 4: they were there on site and they cut to a 138 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 4: news development, Like I was watching ESPN at the time 139 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 4: of the shooting and they didn't even have it on 140 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 4: the ticker for a while, Like that's how common these 141 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 4: things are. 142 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: And I have a quote here from Patri Mauwe because 143 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: you want I'm not Patrick Mahomes. This is the big 144 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: story here. This is something that he has said. 145 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 4: I'm going to read it to you and then I'm 146 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 4: gonna get into a little bit more about it afterwards. 147 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 1: Quote. 148 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 4: It was a culmination of seeing all this happen and 149 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 4: wanting it to stop and wanting us to find a 150 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 4: better way of preventing these instances from happen. It's not 151 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 4: that one of these desks with more significant than the other. 152 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 4: It was just all of it happening and me feeling 153 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 4: like enough is enough. We've got to do something about this. 154 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 4: I was blessed to have this platform. Why not use it? 155 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 4: I know I have this platform, I know not everyone 156 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 4: will agree with it, but I'm going to do my 157 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 4: best to make this world a better place, and this 158 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 4: is the right moment to do it. That was Patrick 159 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: Mahomes in twenty twenty when he decided that he wanted 160 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 4: to participate in a Black Lives Matter video alongside other 161 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: NFL players and NFL quarterbacks, and much was made back 162 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 4: then of his inclusion because he is the face of 163 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 4: the NFL right now. He is the best player in 164 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 4: football right now. He is on pace to become the 165 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: greatest football player of all time. So his involvement in 166 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 4: that video, and I believe he only spoke for like 167 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 4: three seconds in the entirety of the clip, but him 168 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 4: just deciding to put his name on it sent shockwaves 169 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 4: through the NFL. And that's part of the reason why 170 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 4: you see on the NFL even today some places and 171 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 4: racism in the back of the end zone or all 172 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 4: lives like stuff like that, that wouldn't be happening. I 173 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 4: don't think if Patrick Mahomes and others like him didn't 174 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 4: put themselves in that video in support of the Black 175 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 4: Lives Matter movement, he now has an opportunity here in 176 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, in the wake of this horrific shooting, 177 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 4: to do the same thing. If Patrick Mahomes is serious 178 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 4: about wanting to make the world a better place, and 179 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 4: him having a platform that he needs to use even 180 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 4: if people dont always agree with it, then I expect 181 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 4: sometime in the next twenty four to seventy two hours 182 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 4: he is going to put out a statement through his 183 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 4: representatives or on social media condemning the gun laws in Missouri. 184 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: You mentioned it. 185 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 4: No background checks for private sales, no permit required for 186 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 4: concealed carry, no permiit required for open carry, no license 187 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 4: require for owners. 188 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: They basically have zero gun. 189 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 4: Laws in Missouri. Patrick Mahomes, whether he wants to or not, 190 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 4: is now going to be the one everyone looks to 191 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 4: for a response, and I expect, like I said, in 192 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 4: the next day two maybe three, he's gonna put out 193 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 4: something very strongly indicating that the lawmakers in Missouri are 194 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 4: gonna have to to overhaul something so that something like 195 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 4: this doesn't happen again. 196 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and when he does, you know, we're gonna hear 197 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 2: the predictable. Oh just unless send Patrick. Thank you for that, 198 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 2: but you know, just shut up and throw the football, okay, 199 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: and scramble for first downs on third and six. 200 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: Just just do that. We don't we don't want to 201 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 3: hear anything else. 202 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: I just I know that, you know, the hard conversations 203 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 2: aren't fun to have, and this is a sports podcast 204 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 2: and it's usually fun and light and we crack. 205 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 3: Jokes and you know, I brag about basketball. 206 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: But I just want to remind people, like, within the 207 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 2: last what week we saw a like a clinically insane 208 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: woman show up at one of these megachurches in Texas 209 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: with essentially an ar fifteen and her kid and just 210 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: decided to have a firefight. 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Now, depending on the word 248 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: you want to use, let go cut, loose parted ways, 249 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: whatever the point is, it happened, and a lot of 250 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: people seem to be upset with this because who wait 251 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: a minute, he's pitting blame on the defensive coordinator when 252 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 2: Kyle's offense didn't deliver touchdowns. 253 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 3: When they needed to. 254 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: I I guys, my first, if you go back and 255 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: listen to the Monday Show, you know after the Super Bowl. 256 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: My big takeaway was, if you want to do the 257 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 2: blame game, I don't really think there's a lot of 258 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 2: blame to go around, but I think the primary guy 259 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 2: would be Steve Wilkes. Now you could say, well, what 260 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: about the special teams guy. They missed an extra point, 261 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: there was a killer and the fumble when the ball 262 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: hit the blocker in the leg. Okay, fine, you're gonna 263 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: fire the special teams coach over over that. I didn't 264 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 2: think there were special teams breakdowns, but I speculated that 265 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: Wilkes is I don't think he's gonna be back, and 266 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: it's official, he's done and listed. Steve Wilkes had a 267 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: really really good run in Carolina, not so good run 268 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 2: in Arizona, and he was fantastic for two and a 269 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: half almost three quarters again in the Super Bowl. But 270 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 2: as I said at the time, if you stay in 271 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: the same defense and don't throw wrinkles at Mahomes, he's 272 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: gonna figure you out. And Wilkes did not do enough 273 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter when it mattered and in overtime 274 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 2: to rattle Mahomes. And there's an article that was written 275 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: after the Bengals, So the Bengals wallop the Bills in 276 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: the AFC playoffs, or maybe I forget who they I 277 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: forget who they beat in the semi final. 278 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 3: It might have been the Bills. 279 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: But in basically the conference championship, they went to Kansas 280 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: City and they were in trouble and in the second half, 281 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator, Captain lou made a bunch of changes 282 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: and there are there's an article written about it because 283 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: of you know, he said, like, basically, you cannot stop 284 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes. All you can do is continue to change 285 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: and tweak throughout the game. Hey, this series, we're gonna 286 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: go single high safety. Next series, we're gonna go too 287 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 2: high safety. We're gonna go zero blood. Sometimes, yeah, we're 288 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: gonna risk it. And they did it on the play 289 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: where Mahomes threw the interception in overtime and then the 290 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: Bengals come down and kicked the field goal. And sometimes 291 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: we're gonna blood, send three and drop eight into coverage. 292 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: We're gonna give Mahomes so many looks that they don't 293 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: know what's coming. And if you go watch rewatch the 294 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: painful drive in overtime, Mahomes knew exactly what was coming. 295 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: He was perfect in overtime on that game winning drive. 296 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: Knew exactly what place to call. Everything was perfectly aligned it. 297 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 3: It was a masterclass. 298 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: And I believe it's because Wilkes did not tweak enough 299 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: to give him different looks. Now people can make excuses say, 300 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: well they didn't have Dre Greenlaw that's a huge factor. 301 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: And I would agree that's a big factor. He was 302 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: a great player and they lose him after one series. 303 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: But I don't know, Rob, I'm sorry, I agree with 304 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: the Wilkes letting him go. 305 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: Now, they had beef all season. Remember Wilkes was. 306 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: Like in the booth, then he moved to the sideline 307 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: and him Shanahan had some words with him, Like, Wilkes 308 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: did not have a great season. 309 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 3: I don't know how. 310 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: Quickly whether they go outside to fill this or they 311 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: go inside and promote someone. 312 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: Rob. I don't buy this. Hey, go go call Vrabel. 313 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 3: That's a great Rabel ain't taken this. 314 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: I cannot imagine Brabel going from a successful head coach 315 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: to I'm gonna be a defensive coordinator for the Niners. 316 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 3: Like, I don't see that happening. Now. 317 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: What's interesting is, you know, does Ron Rivera want to 318 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: go west? We know he was a finalist for the 319 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: Cowboys that eventually went to Zimmer A couple other names, 320 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 2: Rex Ryan, I can't see just you know, he's got 321 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: the bluster and stuff, but I think he's just using 322 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: all these interviews for leverage with ESPN. I don't know, Rob, 323 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see where they go. But I 324 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: have no issues with them cutting away from Wilkes and 325 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 2: moving on. 326 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 4: I'm a little bit conflicted by it because on one hand, 327 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 4: it's not like they were terrible, right, I mean, they 328 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 4: were what from first to eighth and totaled even in 329 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 4: the regular season. I know they weren't great in the 330 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 4: postseason against the Packers and the Lions, but in the 331 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 4: Super Bowl, the only touchdown they allowed in regulation was 332 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 4: on a sixteen yard drive set up on a muffed 333 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 4: punt return. Whilst to me, not a muff don't let 334 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 4: right Rey with out here. This wasn't a muffutt return. 335 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 4: It's bounced off the guy's ankle. And you know he 336 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 4: was blamed for it, you know, but I don't think 337 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 4: he was necessarily the problem with the Niners. And to me, 338 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 4: this feels like the latest and what we've seen now 339 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 4: in the last three days since the Super Bowl, the 340 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 4: latest in a string of guys who have passing the 341 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 4: blame on somebody else, like Nick Bosa. I didn't even 342 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 4: catch it at the time, but it's apparently said in 343 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 4: the postgame. He was asked about Wilkes and the defense, 344 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 4: and he gives them kind of a backhanded compliment, Well, 345 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 4: he's great with the back end, so insinuating that he 346 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 4: wasn't great with the front seven. And you know, someone's like, well, 347 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 4: we didn't. We didn't really practice for the option that 348 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,239 Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes ran late in the game to get those 349 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 4: t first downs, because it's something they don't really run 350 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 4: that often. You have Kyle Shanahan who swears that he 351 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 4: knew the overtime rule, even though all of the quotes 352 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 4: that have come out and even the video and inside 353 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 4: the NFL would suggest differently, because all the Chiefs players 354 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 4: were very excited when they said we're gonna take the 355 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 4: ball there to start overtime, and they're like, I can't 356 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 4: believe he did that. I can't believe he did that. 357 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 4: And even Kyle Yuschek is saying on video like, I 358 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 4: didn't know that if we score, they get a chance 359 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 4: to score right back, YadA, YadA, YadA. So it just 360 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 4: feels like because of the way it ended, because of 361 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 4: a yet another blown lead in the Super Bowl under 362 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 4: Kyle Shannhan, because for all of their defensive stars up 363 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 4: and down that roster, they underperformed relatively in the regular 364 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 4: season and drastically underperformed in the early part of the playoffs, 365 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 4: that they just couldn't run it back. That somebody had 366 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 4: to go, somebody had to take the fall for. 367 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: What went wrong for them this season. 368 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 4: And because Steve Wilkes was, according to Albert Breer, the 369 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 4: first guy that Shanahan has fired that was quote outside 370 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 4: of the family, he's the easiest one to let go. 371 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 4: And so I think, you know, I'm conflicted by it. 372 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 4: I understand it. I just don't know if he necessarily 373 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 4: deserved to get fired. 374 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 3: Yeah it is. 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At a 422 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 2: number is twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine games left, 423 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: who is your ballot for the MVP? And I guess, 424 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 2: to my surprise, but to Rob's excitement, not only not 425 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 2: only is Nicola Yokic one. I mean that part's not surprising, 426 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 2: but number two on the NBA MVP straw Pole. And 427 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 2: these have been kind of accurate because you are actually 428 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: pulling the voters. 429 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 3: Number two is. 430 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: Rob's guy SGA, who Rob potentially I think he called 431 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: SGA maybe right the MVP of the league. That'd be 432 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: one of your best hits ever. Jokich has won SGA two. 433 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: And then after those two, Jannis is a distant third. 434 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 2: Luca is four, Kawhi, Leonard is five, Tatum six, Brunson seven, Donovan, 435 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 2: Mitchell eight, Edwards nine, KD ten, Halliburton, and then Sabonis. 436 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: And there's a lot to sift through here. We could 437 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 2: just start. I don't think anybody would disagree. Yo, Kitch 438 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: is one. Okay, I don't think there's any disagreement there. 439 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: Rob correct, Uh, that's fine, I'm fine with that. Yeah. 440 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And again this is there's still twenty eight, twenty 441 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 2: nine games left. Okay, Embiid was number one last time 442 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: they did this Strup poll. He's obviously falling off because 443 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 2: of the surgery. Number two, SGA, I have a lot 444 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: of issues with. I think he's having a tremendous season. 445 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: The numbers are there, Okay, so he's playing great. But 446 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 2: number two most valuable? Rob, I say most valuable to you? 447 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 2: What does that mean? Like, how do you define most valuable? 448 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: Well, that's a loaded, freaking question problem. 449 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 4: You know what, I think most valuable at least in 450 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 4: the NBA, because the NBA is a different animal than 451 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 4: the other sports. The most valuable player is the best 452 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 4: player on the best team in the NBA. 453 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: Okay, best player, best team. You know who has the 454 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: best record in the league. 455 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: That would be the Boston Celtics. 456 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 3: Okay, who's the best player on the Celtics. 457 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: That would be Jason Tatum. 458 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: So why isn't Tatum at least in the top five. 459 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: It's a very good question. 460 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: How would he I mean best player, best team? I 461 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 3: don't I don't totally disagree with that. 462 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 2: S g A and OKAC. They're playing out of their minds. 463 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 2: They are currently the two in the West. They are 464 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 2: a game up on the Clips, close with the Nuggets. 465 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 3: Basically, they're they're they're looking at a top four seed. 466 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: I don't see them falling out of the top four 467 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 2: unless Ched Holmgren goes down for a while or something. 468 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: They're number one. Okay, see point differential in the West. 469 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: They're they're they're a juggernaut. 470 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: Now. 471 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: They basically added one player who I who was excellent 472 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 2: as a college player in one year, and now Chet Holmgren, 473 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 2: who missed all of last year, is thriving. He's the 474 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: reason that they're different than last year, right would you 475 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: agree with that, Roub, Yes, he's the biggest reason. 476 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 3: Okay, they were a play in team last year. 477 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: I think they lost in the playoff, and now this year, 478 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 2: SGA is obviously great. I I think that to me 479 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 2: number two, I would go Kawhi Leonard behind Jokic. I 480 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: know the paper Clips are currently third in the West, 481 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: right on the heels of the Wolves in Thunder. And yes, 482 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: statistically SGA has the edge on Kawhi, but and SGA 483 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 2: is a good defender. 484 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 3: Kawhi, for my money, has been. 485 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,959 Speaker 2: Unbelievable when you can add a player like James Harden 486 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 2: and then the Apple cart does doesn't really get upset 487 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: all that much. 488 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 3: A ball dominant guy. Somebody has to get credit for 489 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 3: this working. 490 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 2: Now, you could give Russell Westbrook gets some credit for 491 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 2: going to the bench. Paul George has taking a little 492 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,239 Speaker 2: bit of a backseat. Kawhi Leonard has essentially stepped up 493 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: and said I'm the man, this is my team, and 494 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 2: he's been unstoppable. So I had Kawhi at two, Rob, 495 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: do you. 496 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 3: Have any issues with him that high? 497 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: No? I do not have any issue with quiet me 498 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: that high. 499 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 4: I no. 500 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: Okay, well, maybe you have an issue with my number three. 501 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 2: I went with Luka doncicch over your boy SGA. Now 502 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 2: the MAVs are kind of sputtering. Now, I know this 503 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: is gonna MAVs are on a bit of a heater 504 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 2: now is they've won some games here consecutively. They've had 505 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 2: some upheaval, if you will, since they've since they lost 506 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 2: Brunson and then they've been tinkering around the edges. You 507 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 2: know me, I'm a Luca guy. I believe he makes 508 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: everyone around him better more than anyone in the league. 509 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 2: His defense has improved, according to many metrics, I know 510 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: he's defending you inferior players, but I had Luca three, 511 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 2: I had Jannis four, and then Tatum five. I've Sga six, 512 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 2: Brunson seven, Halliburton eight. Now I'm sure some people will say, well, Jason, Jason, Jason, 513 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: the Timberwolves are one. Where's Anthony Edwards? I had Anthony 514 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: Edwards like nine, and. 515 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 3: I know a lot of people don't like that. 516 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: Edwards is very, very good, but they have a damn 517 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: good team. And I don't even if you asked internally 518 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 2: whose team is it. I think it'll be Edwards's team, 519 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 2: but I don't know if it. I mean, Karl Anthony 520 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: Towns is playing well, Colbart's playing well. They have a 521 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 2: great coach. I don't know how to give ant the 522 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 2: lion's share of the props, so that's why I had 523 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 2: him a little lower. Halliburton's been unbelievable, got to be 524 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 2: the most improved player in the league. Brunson has carried 525 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: the knicks on his back. Donovan Mitchell probably getting a 526 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: bit of a short trift. They're on a tear of 527 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 2: like sixteen of seventeen wins. Mitchell's been outstanding. I'm a 528 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: big Donovan Mitchell fan, although his price went up for 529 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: the Lakers. 530 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: Rob, I don't know Tatum at five SGA six. 531 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: You know me. 532 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 2: I love Tatum. He's probably my favorite Boston Celtic ever. 533 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: And I don't like any Boston players. I don't like 534 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,959 Speaker 2: the team, the franchise, the city, nothing, but man, I 535 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 2: like Tatum and I think he's one of the best 536 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 2: players in the league. 537 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, future Laker Jason Tatum. You know you can get 538 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 4: the You don't get the future Laker Moniker unless you 539 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 4: are the elite of the elite. 540 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 3: By the way outline how he gets to the Lakers. 541 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 4: Uh yes, now I'm still work shopping it. But the 542 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 4: general framework is that the Boston Celtics get very very 543 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 4: close and never quite get over the hump. And eventually 544 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 4: that roster, which is coming together very nicely and that's 545 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,959 Speaker 4: probably working against him in the MVP race, but that 546 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 4: roster becomes so expensive that they're like, hey, we can't 547 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 4: keep you and Jalen together. You know, we may got 548 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 4: to let go of Drew or perzingis one of them's 549 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 4: got to go. We're gonna have to do some tweaking. 550 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 4: You know, you're our guy, but you know this we 551 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 4: have to change things around you, and ultimately the failed 552 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 4: postseasons and the roster uncertainty leads to him asking for 553 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,959 Speaker 4: a trade out of town and he ultimately ends up 554 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 4: with the Lakers. So that's the framework of that. But 555 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 4: as far as the MVP goes, and I'm totally contradicting 556 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 4: myself and I'm aware of it, I say, the best 557 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 4: player on the best team, that's generally my definition, which 558 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 4: is why I have no issue with you having Nikola 559 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 4: yok at your number one. 560 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: What I think is kind of a. 561 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 4: Unique thing about the NBA, though, is that best player 562 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 4: on best team is usually criteria number one, and then 563 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 4: then the second criteria is how good is your supporting cast? 564 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 4: And I think that is why a guy like Jason 565 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 4: Tatum is not getting much love at all, even though 566 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 4: we can all agree he's one of the best players 567 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 4: in the league. I think that's why a guy like 568 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 4: Kawhi Leonard is probably not getting as much love by 569 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 4: the actual. 570 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: Voters, because the Clippers are. 571 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 4: Seeing as having a loaded roster, which they do, and 572 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 4: that's why my guy SGA I don't believe has another 573 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 4: All Star teammate on the Thunder. I could be wrong, 574 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 4: but I'm almost positive he does. It's shit an All Star, No, 575 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 4: he's not. 576 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: Should he be? H Maybe? 577 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 4: And it's tough, man, because it's been awesome. There's a 578 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 4: lot of really good players out there, especially in the 579 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 4: Western Conference. So what I think what SGA has going 580 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 4: for him is his team is right there at or 581 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 4: near the top of the Western Conference. The West seems 582 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 4: to be the more competitive top to top to bottom 583 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 4: conference compared to the East. And because he doesn't have 584 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 4: a clear star number two, when he doesn't have a 585 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 4: loaded starting lineup, a LAH the Boston Celtics, a LAH 586 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 4: the Denver Nuggets, I think that's why he gets a 587 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 4: boost in some of the voter's eyes. 588 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I don't. 589 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: I don't hate that. Now, there's still like twenty nine 590 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 2: games to go. If Okac finishes first, I would not 591 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: shock me if they voted Sga as MVP. It also 592 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 2: would not shocked me if Okase lost in the first round. Okay, 593 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 2: it feels rob like people are holding Tatum's history against him. Well, 594 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: it wasn't amazing in the finals against the Warriors, and yeah, 595 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: last year against the Heat, there were moments for events. 596 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 3: I don't care about that. 597 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 2: This is an award for this year, and by the way, 598 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: if Yokic wins another one, I think that'll be three 599 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 2: MVPs in the regular season and a finals MVP. He 600 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: I mean, we gotta start talking about Yokich is like 601 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: a top twenty player all time. 602 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 3: If he's not there already, I don't know, right, there's 603 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 3: not I. 604 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: Think I think he's already there. 605 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 3: I think he's saying there not a lot of people 606 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 3: have done that. 607 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 2: Like you, guys can love Barkley all you want, one MVP, 608 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 2: Jokis has three. He's out the best player in the 609 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: league three times three in an row with Curry and 610 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 2: Lebron to top ten eleven guys that are depending on. 611 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 3: Where you are on Curry. So I don't know, guys, 612 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 3: MVP is going to be interesting. 613 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: I know it's an award, and everybody cares that deeply 614 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 2: about awards. 615 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 3: It's like, who cares. 616 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 2: MVP when you do this historical greatness? We're doing the 617 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: Mahomes versus versus Montana versus Brady. Guess what comes up awards? 618 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: How else are you gonna, you know, compare guys over 619 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: different eras well? Don't compare guys what do you mean, 620 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 2: what's the fun in that? 621 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 3: You know? Do you hate birthday parties too? 622 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 4: Like? 623 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 2: I like comparing players over eras like that to me 624 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: is fun and exciting. And I don't know, SGA very 625 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 2: very good. It's just these voters, man, I don't know. 626 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 2: They get swept up in all these silly narratives. Let's 627 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 2: just look at the season and see who's been the best, 628 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,479 Speaker 2: whether it's stats, eye test. If you pull them off 629 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 2: the team, if you pull Sga off to Thunder, they're 630 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: still a playoff team. If you pull Yo Kich off, 631 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: they're still a playoff team. If you pull tat them off, 632 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 2: they're still a playoff team. You pull Luke off the MAVs, 633 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: they're not going to a playoffs rop. 634 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: They're not. 635 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 2: No. 636 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 3: By the way, Kyrie's missed twenty two games. 637 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, he often misses a lot of games. You pull 638 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: Giannis off the Bucks, they're not doing Jack Brunson and 639 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: the next same deal. So that's why I give some 640 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 2: of those guys a little more props than than I 641 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: used to. All Right, rob Any closing thoughts on the MVP. 642 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 2: We didn't mention Anthony Davis or Lebron in the top ten, 643 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 2: which seems kind of wrong. 644 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 4: I mean, they're not very good, So Anthony Davis is 645 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 4: not very No, I mean the team's. 646 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: Not very good. 647 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 4: I wouldn't expect any of these guys. Steph Curry's a 648 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 4: great player, but I wouldn't expect him to get MVP 649 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 4: votes either when their team's fighting for a play in spot. 650 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 4: But generally, my last statement on the MVP. One thing 651 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 4: that I love about Nicola jokicch aside from his watching 652 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 4: him play and his skill set, he's a fantastic player. 653 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 4: He's gonna be one of probably when it's also one 654 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 4: of the top ten players in NBA history. But my 655 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 4: favorite thing about him is he's kind of He's made 656 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 4: the regular season cool again. He's one of the few 657 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 4: guys at the top of the totem pole. Jason Tatum's 658 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 4: the other one. That's one of the reasons why he's 659 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 4: a hashtag future Laker is because while everybody is like, hey, 660 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 4: let me conserve myself for the postseason, I got to 661 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 4: get ready for April, May and June. I don't want 662 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 4: to go too hard on a Tuesday in Toronto, nicolaie 663 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 4: okech If you watch him on Monday against the Bucks, 664 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 4: or if you watch him on Thursday against the Wizards, 665 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 4: or if you watch him in Game two of the 666 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 4: NBA Finals, it's basically the same performance on a night 667 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 4: tonight basis. Yeah, so shout out to the Joker for, 668 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 4: you know, making the regular season great again. 669 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 3: May oh, I like that, and we wrap up. 670 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 2: You wrap up with a political line and it was something 671 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 2: political open, just a programming note. The Foxes tonight could 672 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 2: catch their first loss in the Bay Club League. We 673 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 2: have our toughest opponent. They have Rob No Joke. Four 674 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 2: guys over six six now I think two of them 675 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 2: are out. One of them played at UCLA with k 676 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 2: Love and Westbrook, and they have a guy who played 677 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 2: at Oregon. They have a guy who played at Lafayette. 678 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 2: This is gonna be our tallest order and we're down 679 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 2: some guys. So Foxes haven't lost. I've had guys come 680 00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 2: up to me in the gym say what time's your game? 681 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 2: Essentially I want to watch. I want to come and 682 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: watch you guys lose. I know we've had the heart 683 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: of a champion the last two weeks, pulling out close 684 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: games in the end. Could could be in trouble tonight 685 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 2: I don't even know if I'll talk about the loss, 686 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 2: because I'll be I'll be devastated, and the banner's not 687 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 2: hung in the gym yet, so I can't just simply 688 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 2: point at the banner and be like, do you guys 689 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 2: have one of those? No? 690 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,479 Speaker 3: Okay, check back, because I do plan on on doing 691 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 3: that anyways. 692 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: All right, I hope everybody had a great Valentine's Day yesterday, 693 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 2: and we'll talk to you tomorrow