1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now moved the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the Sticks d J 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: and Bucky here and uh buck Man. We have got 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: I think my favorite guests that we've had. I think 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: we're two hundred and seventy episodes or so into the 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: podcast because the best guests we've ever had today. Yeah, 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: I think so this is an exciting one. We uh 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: talk about one of the guys, one of the goats 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: in terms of changing the game, revolution as in the game. 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: To have Michael Vick come on and have a little 11 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: discussion I'm excited about. I know a lot of people 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: should be excited to hear what he has to say 13 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: about some of the things that are popping. Yeah. Look, 14 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: this has been kind of the big storyline for the 15 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: for the last few days. Bill Polian. You know, look 16 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: who's been multi year executive the year you were in 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,639 Speaker 1: Buffalo when when Mr Pollint was there, correct, but right 18 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: after he was there, he had just departed. John Butler 19 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: took over his GM, but a lot of what the 20 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills did still came from Bill Polian philosophy and ideology. 21 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,639 Speaker 1: So um, I'm very very familiar with how he sees 22 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: the game and how he views the team building process. Yeah. Look, 23 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 1: Bill Point multi year Executive of the Year, has built 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: those Buffalo Bill teams that that had a lot of success. 25 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: He was there. Yeah, Caroline, I mean it's crazy to think, Yeah, yeah, 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: six time executively, he's been successful. Buck, you can't. You 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: can't argue with the success and he's had. But I 28 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: think you created a little bit of a mini firestorm 29 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: when he said he thought Lamar Jackson should switch positions 30 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: and play wide receiver. So we've both been on the 31 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: record on this. You know there's gonna be I saw 32 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: a video that we had did in December that somebody 33 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: sent to me. We were talking about this back in 34 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: December when we we both said Lamar Jackson will be 35 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: the most polarizing player if he does come out, he'd 36 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: be the most polarizing player in the country. And I 37 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: think that's kind of what we're seeing. Yeah, we are seeing. 38 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: And I think, um, because he's going to challenge your 39 00:01:54,480 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: ability to UM, I guess, either play traditional or or 40 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: non traditional football. The game has progressed where we're trying 41 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: to figure out where these dual threat quarterbacks fit into 42 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: the equation. When it comes to the National Football League, 43 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is explosive, He's dynamic, he's electric with the 44 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: ball in his hands. He choose up yardage as a runner, 45 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: but as a big time arm As a passer, may 46 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: have his struggles when it comes to accuracy, but we 47 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: have seen him deliver some big time passes in big games, 48 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: and there have been plenty of games where we can 49 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: say that he's been the best guy in the field. 50 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: When you couple that with Kenny play a traditional style, 51 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: it leads to fireworks. And when you have some old 52 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: school guys who see those guys who may not necessarily 53 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: have all the polish as a passer, but they're very 54 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: athletic and they offer something as an athlete and a playmaker. 55 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: Talking about moving those guys to receiver, yeah, you can 56 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: get some pushback and some reaction. I think that's what 57 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: we've seen the last week. Yeah, and look, we've talked 58 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: about this. You know, it's uh, you know, it's interesting 59 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: conversation or it's an intriguing player. When Bucky and I 60 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: we have all this time every week to talk on 61 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: air and on the podcast about players, but we're having 62 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: we're having phone calls outside of that. We're talking about 63 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: at flag football practice, and we're talking for thirty forty 64 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: minutes about certain topics. You know. It's uh, it's pretty interesting. 65 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: And this has been one we've been talking about for 66 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: a while here, Buck and I just come back to look. 67 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: If this was a Dan Fouts era, I get it. 68 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: But the game has changed, the game has involved. Offensive 69 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: offenses have changed and morphed around these particular set of 70 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: skills that Lamar Jackson has in terms of his ability 71 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: to take off and go. Um. I just think he's 72 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: I think you can form an offensive around him. You're 73 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: gonna have to change what you did. But we saw Houston, 74 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 1: as you've mentioned several times, do the same thing last year. 75 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: So I think he's definitely gonna get an opportunity to 76 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: play quarterback. And I've gone on record so I think 77 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: he's a top forty pick. Now, whether that's a a 78 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: late one, early two, I'd be shocked. If he's there 79 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: in the middle of the second round, I'd be I'd 80 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: be shocked. I would be too. UM. I haven't gonna 81 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: records hit oh. I believe he's uh. I can sense 82 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: his first round pick I believe top forty, top forty five, 83 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: that's somewhere where he comes off the board. I think 84 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: the big thing for Lamar is going to the right 85 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: situation with a creative offensive play calling designer that knows 86 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: how to utilize his skills. When you look at the 87 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: landscape and some of the teams that do need a 88 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: quarterback be at a number one or number two, Seattle 89 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: comes to mind, obviously, because you have Russell Wilson. You 90 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: have Russell Wilson coming up on the end of his 91 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,119 Speaker 1: short extension. Maybe you have a Lamar Jackson in place 92 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: to take over just in case something goes haywire with 93 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson some many other quarterbacks that we've talked about. 94 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger is near the end of his career. The 95 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: way Pittsburgh typically does business um and opening it up, 96 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: having a wide open offense, Mike Tomlin, having connection with players. 97 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: There are a number of different situations that would be 98 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: enticing and intriguing for Lamar Jackson. I just hope that 99 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: he has an opportunity to go to a spot that 100 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: really utilized his skills and not necessarily worried about him 101 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: being a ten fifteen year player. But worried about him 102 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: being a really, really good player for o to seven 103 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: years and if he plays long than that, so be it. Yeah, 104 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: no question. Well I think, look, we can talk about 105 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: this forever, but I think the folks who want to 106 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: hear UH from Michael Vick, who's one of the the 107 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: I guess it's safe to say he's the most explosive 108 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: player to ever play quarterback in the National Football League. 109 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: And so this is UH, someone that has a relationship 110 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson, someone who has been compared to when 111 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's name comes up. So if this, if Lamar 112 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: Jackson's the topic of conversation, there's one guy you want 113 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: to talk to, and we got him. Here's our talk 114 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: with Mike Vick. I'm very excited for our next guest. 115 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: Bucky we was the first pick in the two thousand 116 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: one NFL draft. Fifteen years he served as a quarterback 117 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Michael Vick is joining us. Michael, 118 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: how you doing man? I'm doing good? How do both 119 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: of you? We cannot complain. I want to jump I 120 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: want to jump right in with you, man, because I 121 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: want to go back to a game. This is two 122 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, This is louis It against Florida State, and 123 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: that was kind of the coming out party for Lamar Jackson, 124 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: just running up and down the field against the Seminoles. 125 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,559 Speaker 1: And then you fired off a tweet during that game, 126 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: which kind of I think, I think that really put 127 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson on the map. When we got the full endorsement, 128 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: you see it right here from Michael Vick. Lamar Jackson 129 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: five times better than what I was at v Tech 130 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: enough said hashtag future. Was that the first time you 131 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: had seen Lamar play? And what was your What was 132 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: your impression the first time you saw him on the field. Yeah, Well, 133 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: I had heard about Lamar on several occasions, and that 134 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: was the first day I was actually in the house 135 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: on a Saturday, UH watching college football, and I happened 136 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: to catch Louisville and Florida State, and I could not 137 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: believe what I had seen. I could not believe the 138 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: things that he was able to do. It was a 139 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: spitting image of me. And the only thing that came 140 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: to my mind was this kid was five times better 141 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: than what I was when I was at Virginia Tech, 142 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: only because he was doing it against Florida State and 143 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: I remember, you know how difficult it was for me 144 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: to move the chains against Florida State, what effort had 145 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: to be put into getting first down, scoring touchdowns, hanging 146 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: with them, Uh, you know, pretty much going why or why? 147 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: And I see this guy going there and just annhiate 148 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: these guys, uh, from the start of the game to 149 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: the ending, and I just thought it was impressive. So, 150 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: you know, the hashtag future was something that I felt like, uh, 151 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, needed to be said at the time. He 152 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: needed to be paid attention to, and his game really 153 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: showed that he had what it takes to play on 154 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: the next level. Even at that time. I think, I 155 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: know your answer, and you're gonna be in agreement with 156 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: the two guys you're talking to here. But this this 157 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: kid is a he's a quarterback, correct, Michael, Yeah, he's 158 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: a quarterback. I haven't been hearing about things been thrown 159 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: out there. A boy him playing receiver and they'll probably 160 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: say he needs to play defensive back next. But listen 161 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: to kid is six three, two hundred and fifteen pounds. 162 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: I know, the hashes a wider in college football, so 163 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: it creates it creates a little bit more space. Uh, 164 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: in terms of running with the football and stretching the field, 165 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: move in the pocket. But for anybody to say that 166 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is a receiver, um, I don't think they 167 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: understand the quarterback position. I don't think they appreciate the 168 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: value that can be brought from the quarterback position. Uh. 169 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: You know, it was just kind of mind boggling to 170 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: me to hear that. Um And and I can understand 171 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: why those type of things can be said because people 172 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: don't know him. They haven't sat down with him in 173 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: the film role, they haven't talked to him and had 174 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: discussions with them. They're only going off what they're here. 175 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: And you can't live in this world going off what 176 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: you're here. I know, perception, you know, outweighs reality. Uh 177 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: pretty much. You know a hundred percent of the time 178 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: in this world that you gotta give the kid a chance. 179 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: He's a quarterback, hands down. If I was the GM 180 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: I was drafting, know whether it's the first round or 181 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: fourth round. You know, you look at all the quarterbacks 182 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: coming out in the draft, they all projects. Nobody is 183 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: guaranteed to do anything. You know, Mike is one of 184 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: the guys who kind of, like ushered in this new 185 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: movement of mobile quarterbacks or athletic playmakers that can affect 186 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: you not only as a past but as a runner. 187 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: What advice would you give the Lamar in terms of 188 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: making the transition from a college playmaker that was a 189 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: dual threat to being a little more traditional at the 190 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: position as a pro. Well, I think first and foremost, shoot, uh, 191 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: you know, taking to the understanding that you know you're 192 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: going to the next level. And it's not about all 193 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: about your athletic ability. Uh, it's about the competence that 194 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: you have wants the ball is snap. I think his 195 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: focus needs to be centered around uh learning NFL concepts 196 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: right now, even if he's not uh signed with the 197 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: NFL team, if even if he's going through the pre 198 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: draft process, this is the time to you know, call 199 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: up various quarterback coaches, include myself, if we have a 200 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: relationship and and just have me throw some plays out there, 201 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: let's sit down and talk talk through some plays, route concepts, 202 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: how to call them, how to say, how to approach 203 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: the huddle. Uh. Those are the things that are going 204 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: to be the challenges when playing in the National Football League. 205 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: It's not about your athletic ability of rolling right, rolling left, 206 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: dropping back, throwing the ball fifty six yards. It's about 207 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: stepping into the huddle, understanding what to play. UH. Really 208 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: entails whose primary, whose secondary? Where the chech nails are uh, 209 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: and you know, understand the position as a whole. It's 210 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: not about you know, running, you know, taking off running 211 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: and getting thirty or forty yards or getting seven yards. 212 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: You know, the primary goal is the mood to change 213 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: and be efficient, be a leader. And I think that's 214 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: what Lamar Jackson has the work on now. Uh. Just 215 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 1: the verbage and getting ready to speak the game in 216 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: the National Football League. You know, Mike, I know you 217 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: served as a coaching intern under any Read in Kansas City. 218 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: Andy Reid did a great job of elevating your game 219 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: when you're in Philadelphia and that you've been now that 220 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: you've been on that other side as a coach, what 221 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: would you think about Lamar Jackson? How would you help 222 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: him elevate his game? Well, first of all, I wouldn't 223 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't start Lamar as a as a rookie. UM. 224 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: Whether he goes in the first round, second round, the 225 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: third round. I think a majority of these guys coming 226 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: out in the draft, UH, quarterback wise, our project. You 227 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: let these guys sit for a year two pretty much 228 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: what uh Andy Reid did with Patrick Mahomes this year 229 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: gave Alex Smith a chance uh to go out and 230 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: be the proven leader that he is. Let the young 231 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: guy learned. Uh. It's you know, it's uncanny what you 232 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: know a year in the film room can do for 233 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: you as a as a players, for your confidence and uh, 234 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, just watching another guy play you can learn 235 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: so much vicariously. So my plan with Lamar would be 236 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: to make sure he has the best mentor in front 237 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: of him, UH, set him for a year or two, 238 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: never know, uh, really critique him in preseason, take his 239 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: preseason film and build from there. And that's the way 240 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: it has to be done. Quarterbacks are not always gonna 241 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: be Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco or Ben Roethlisberger where 242 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: they can step in in that first year and take 243 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: the team their team uh to the NFC or a 244 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: f C championship game. It's a process and it's you 245 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: have to be patient. And some of these teams don't 246 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: have the patients, but they have veteran quarterbacks who can 247 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: lead the way and get the team off to a 248 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: good start while the younger guy uh waits in the 249 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: background and and and get ready to take the franchise 250 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: over for the future. Michael, you said you've got a 251 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: chance to visit with him. Where where is he at 252 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: right now from a football knowledge standpoint? And maybe compare 253 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: that to where you were with your knowledge base when 254 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: when you entered the league. Well, today's times are different. 255 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: You've got guys training all over the place that spread 256 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: out there with quarterback coaches there, with training gururus, so 257 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: to speak. Uh, all of these guys who opposed it 258 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: UH as supposed to enhanced their and tangibles and their attributes, 259 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: which is a good thing. I think that's that's what 260 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: needs to be done. That's the necessity as of right now. 261 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: In terms of Lamar, I think he's focused on proving 262 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: to everybody that he's a quarterback. Pretty much similar to 263 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: me when I came out in the two thousand of 264 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: one draft. You know, the only thing I was thinking 265 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: about was how cerebral can I be when I step 266 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: into the draft room, when I step into uh the 267 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: quarterbacks room, quarterback room on my visits, how am I 268 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: going to be able to articulate the play cars? How 269 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: am I going to be able to impress them and 270 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: show them that I can play above the neck. And 271 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: that's what's important right now. I think Lamar's focused on that. 272 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: That's what I focused on. I've been giving them those 273 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: little tidbits of advice, A small things us to do 274 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: to make yourself eligible quarterback in this draft, and uh, 275 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: one that's gonna get drafted high like he like he 276 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: probably always dreamed about. You know, a lot of people 277 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: don't know him well because he's kind of he's a 278 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: quiet and a little bit reserved just in your dealings 279 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: with him and getting close with him. What's the personality 280 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: of Lamar Jackson? Like Michael, Lamar is a very cool 281 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: kid man. He's funny, he's outgoing. You have to get 282 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: the norm. I think where Lamar is from, Uh, it's 283 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: probably similar to situations of a lot of NFL athletes 284 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: or players or just people around the world who experienced 285 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: things that they're brought up in and they don't ask 286 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: for UH. So he can't be reserved at times. But 287 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the kid loves football. 288 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: His teammates love him. I can see that through UH 289 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: just watching various interviews and and and smart Uh just 290 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: clips on him hanging with the guys and being a great, 291 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: a great friend mentor to to all the guys around him, 292 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: making them better than the locker room. Uh So, you 293 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: know he's gonna be a guy that's gonna be a 294 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: great teammate at the end of the day. I think 295 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: he steps in he's if he's willing to learn. Uh 296 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: he would take takes on the right attitude, get with 297 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: the correct coach, the right coach that can help him, 298 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: uh you know, take his game to another level because 299 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: sometimes you know, great coaches, you know, make players great, 300 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: to make good players great. Uh So I think it's 301 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: all about the communication process with Lamar Jackson right now 302 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: and just you know, having fun and join the whole process, 303 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: because it's not easy. You know, Mike you you you 304 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: mentioned a point about a great, great coach and make 305 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: a good player great. When you look around the league, 306 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: what do you think the ideal situation would be for 307 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson in terms of team or maybe the coaching staff. Well, 308 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: that's tough because I haven't had a chance to think 309 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: about what was going on around the league. Then opening 310 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: up the app on my phone, the NFL app, checking 311 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: out things that's going on, the season is over, so 312 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: I kind of left it Alan for a minute. But 313 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: if you look around the league, you look at teams 314 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: like the New York Jets, uh, the Jacksonville Jaguars. Even 315 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: though I think Blake Borders is the starter for two 316 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: eighteen and should be and he's earned that, right, you 317 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: put a guy like Lamar Jackson around behind Blake Borders, 318 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: then I think it enhances Blake borders game, makes him 319 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: play harder, put a little pressure on him indirectly. But 320 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: you also got a gun on the bench, uh coming 321 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: off the bench who can be a great reserve, who 322 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: can come in and uh pretty much keep the offense going. 323 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: So I think that has to be the primary goal. 324 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: But Arizona, that's the team that's gonna need a quarterback. 325 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: Maybe they get one in free agency, Maybe they draft 326 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: uh Lamar Jackson, uh said him, and then bring in 327 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: another veteran. There's tons of guys out there that they 328 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: can bring in. Nick Foles maybe you know on the 329 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: trade block. He may be a guy who Arizona can 330 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: bring in and Lamarck and be uh a guy who 331 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: can sit behind him and have him as a mentor. 332 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: I did that with Nick, So I'm pretty sure he's 333 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: ready to do that with the next guy and in 334 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: the next generation the quarterbacks to come. So you know, 335 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: it's exciting, man, It's fun to see. I can't wait 336 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: to see how this draft shapes up, how everything unfolds, 337 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: and where these guys end up. I'm excited about a 338 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: lot of them. You know, I can I can't let 339 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: you go without asking you that because you're on the cover. Man, 340 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: some of these guys watched you, uh play play with 341 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: you on the video game. When you look at this 342 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: next classic quarterback, the Baker Mayfields and some of the 343 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: other athletic guys. Josh Allen's athletic Sam Donald Um, what 344 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: is the challenge of being an athletic playmaker? Knowing when 345 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: to use your legs and when to sit in the 346 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: pocket and be patient and allow the scheme and to 347 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: play to open up for you. It's all instinctive. You know, 348 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: you can't go into a game trying to predetermine, uh 349 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: that I'm gonna run on second down a majority of 350 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: the time, or and you drop back on first down, 351 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: you throw incomplete passing the second and team and you 352 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: predetermine that, Okay, on this plan would just take off 353 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: and run. Whenever I did that, those were the times 354 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: where I end up getting sacked or getting tackled for 355 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: a loss of game. And you know, you gotta be instinctive. 356 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: You just gotta play the game. Uh. It's different than 357 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: the quarterback position because the game is just based on field. 358 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: So I would say almost you know, n in the 359 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: time that I ran International Football League, you know, it 360 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: was all on instinct and I let the pocket dictate 361 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: what happens. Whether you know I've seen the guy open 362 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: and I had to get the ball out of my 363 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: hands and release it, or I just slid up in 364 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: the pocket and the lane was right there and I 365 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: felt it, you know. So you know these guys have 366 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: to come and use the athletic ability when needed and 367 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: not try to force it. My last question from me, 368 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: and this is just selfish because I want to get 369 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: your thoughts on this, But I started scouting, oh three 370 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: Bucky starts scouting. I believe it was your your you 371 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: can mount. So I just missed you, and so I 372 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: reached out the other day. I said, we're gonna get 373 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: a chance to talk to Michael and I look, I 374 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: was around you for a couple of years there in 375 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: Philadelphia and saw the amazing years you had there. But 376 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: I said, I want to go back to when Mike 377 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: first started. What was it like, what was your evaluation 378 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: of him coming into the league. And I got one 379 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: story from a buddy who was an executive that said, 380 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: we're on the team planes for another team going across 381 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: the country and he said, you watched You always watched 382 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: the afternoon game if you played an earlier game. And 383 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: he said, any time that Michael Vick's game was on, 384 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: everybody was paying attention. Everybody on the whole plane was 385 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: watching you. And it was said, it was using oz 386 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: every time you did something out question. So you know that, 387 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: So he said, without question, Michael Vick was the NFL 388 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: player's favorite player for a decade. Did you did you 389 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: sense that? Did you feel that? Did you know that 390 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: when you were living in Absolutely I felt that. I 391 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: had a friend that played for the Baltimore rave was 392 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: named Cornel Brown who played averaging a tech who I 393 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: became close with, and he had told me after the 394 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: season that the Baltimore Ravens said if I, if I 395 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: was eligible to come out as a freshman at HA 396 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: drafted you so I know that everybody was paying attention. 397 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: It was more pressure on me coming back into my 398 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: second year and two in two thousand, when I had 399 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: the Hasman Trophy that I was gunning for and so 400 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: many accolades, Big East Player of the Year and the 401 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: top player in the country, it was it was a 402 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: bit more impressure. But I knew every week that all 403 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: eyes was on me, and Uh, I enjoyed that moment. 404 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: I enjoyed those times, and I feel like I really 405 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: stepped up to the challenge when it was needed. You know, Mike, 406 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: I can't let you go without telling you that when 407 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: I worked for the Carolina Panthers, you are kryptonite. You 408 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: know you're our kryptonite. There were so many times I 409 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: remember when you came back from injury on a Sunday 410 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: night game and you don't it seemed like from the 411 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: ten yard line to score the game winning touchdown. Uh. 412 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: Your ability to make plays let John Fox to spend 413 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: countless hours looking for the next Mike Vick because he 414 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: was committed to trying to find a running quarterback, a 415 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: quarterback who could run and impact the game. So, from 416 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: a personal standpoint, Carolina going down to Atlanta having seen 417 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: you play, having to see you run around and make 418 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: plays and throw it all over the yard. It was tough, 419 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: but excited in the same place. I can't thank you 420 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: enough for what you're able to do for the next 421 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: generation of athletic quarterbacks that have made their ways to lead. 422 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. That's what it's about, man, It's 423 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: about the next generation. And if I can continue to 424 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: help these guys and put them in position, uh to 425 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: be successful, and that's what I do. All right, last question, 426 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: I promise is it. I'm gonna let you run on 427 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: this one, Michael. But we started off this interview with 428 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: the tweet you had where you said Lamar jackson five 429 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: times better than I was. I'm not sure about that, 430 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: but I want to get true honesty here, just a 431 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: simple one. Who's faster? I was faster. I'm faster. I 432 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: was faster in nineteen nine, two thousand in Lamar Jacksonville 433 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: as of right now. But you know what, man, I 434 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: had I had surged you on my ankle a couple 435 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, a couple of months ago. I'm back 436 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 1: probably so I'm I'm probably running about a half four 437 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: five right now, man, And it hasn't all diminished. I 438 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: get chased. Listen, if something happens and I have to 439 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: run and get away from somebody, I'm gonna get away 440 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: from I'm not fat. That's it. That's it. We're ending up. 441 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: We're ending on that one. Hey, Michael, I know, uh, 442 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: I know you're busy. Man. We appreciate you taking the 443 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: time to visit with us today. Best of luck, and 444 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: let's catch up again in the future. I appreciate you 445 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: guys have a go. But that's uh, that's easily And 446 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: I said, maybe it's our favorite or maybe our best. 447 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: That is easily my favorite guest we've had on the 448 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: Movie Sticks podcast. Man. I love everything about Michael Vick. 449 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: I love everything about what he said about playing the position, 450 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: being humbled enough to say the Lamar Jackson was light 451 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: years ahead of him at this stage of his career 452 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: when he was a collegian. UM also like some of 453 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: the vice that he doled out in dispense to Lamar 454 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: Jackson in terms of what he would need to do 455 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: to be a really really good player in the league 456 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: and some of the other things he talked about the 457 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: next generation of quarterbacks. I think it would be interesting 458 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: as Lamar and Jackson makes his journey to the National 459 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: Football League if he does get with the Mike Vick. 460 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: Because Mike Vick has gone through all of this, He's 461 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: seen how they've tried to change him, He's seen how 462 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: he's had to fit into different offensive schemes. Um, if 463 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: he can lean on a true mentor mentor who can 464 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: really relate to the challenges that he will face, I 465 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: think it really could help him avoid some of the 466 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: missteps in terms of playing the game uh incorrectly and 467 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: being able to play the game the right way, to 468 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: not only allow himself to be a playmaker, but to 469 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: allow himself to be a healthy playmaking the place for 470 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: a long time. Interesting thing with with with Michael having 471 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: been there in Philadelphia with him Buck is to see 472 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: where he had, where he had grown in the mental 473 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: aspect of the position. That I almost just wish that 474 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: that that version of Michael Vick could have gone back 475 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: and talked to that rookie Michael Vick. Man. If those 476 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: it converts for a brief time there right in Philadelphia, 477 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: he still had that athleticism, and then he had all 478 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: the knowledge he had gained, especially being there under Andy Reid. 479 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: Can you imagine if he had those two things combined 480 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: and went through his prime. I mean he was, he 481 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: was a four time pro bowler, one of the best 482 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: players in the league. But man, if you could have 483 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: combined those two things, watch out, you know, and thinking 484 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: about that and and thinking about his spending it forward 485 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: to Lamar Jackson. Imagine if Lamar Jackson is able to 486 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: take the mental and combine it with the physical, and 487 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: what he could be. And I think that's what we 488 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: talked about on the phone. Um offline. We talked about 489 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the things that we do 490 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: a scouts, you know, we pick a part and we 491 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: try and find the critiques and the criticisms, but sometimes 492 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: it really comes down to what could he be if 493 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: all things go well, and sometimes you need to present 494 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: that case. Lamar Jackson could be the biggest wild card. 495 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: He could be the most explosive and electrifying player of 496 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: this draft if he goes to the right situation does 497 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: the things that we think that he can do, not 498 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: only physically but mentally. His selling is tremendous and so 499 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of which team, which coordinated, which 500 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: head coach says I buy into what he brings to 501 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: the table, and I'm willing to cultivate that talent and 502 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: just see where it leads us. Yeah, and there's no 503 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: longer your offense. If you're a head coacher offensive coordinator, 504 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: it is Lamar's offense. You're gonna craft it and build 505 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: it around him. Absolutely. I think that's the way to 506 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: do it. And I think all we have to do 507 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: is look at last year the Houston Texans struggled with 508 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: Tom Savage for half to go to Deshaun Watson after 509 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: the game to decide, you know what, We're just going 510 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: all in on deshen Watson. The offense is averaging over 511 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: thirty points, is one of the more exciting offenses to watch. 512 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: You remove Deshaun Watson from the field, you go back 513 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: to that pedestrian offense with Tom Savage and others. You 514 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: see right away the benefit of having a playmaker of 515 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: that degree and being able to build an offense that 516 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: is tailored perfectly to his skills. One of the questions 517 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: I've been getting a bunch on social media is people 518 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: have been asking about the three sixties series. So if 519 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: you're new to the Move the Sticks podcasts, maybe you're 520 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: not familiar with this. This started I believe it was 521 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: the year with with Jamis Winston and h and Marcus Mariota. 522 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: We wanted to devote an entire podcast to one player, 523 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: and what we did is went back and we brought 524 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: in all types of different sources from their life, from 525 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: high school, from college. We talked about players maybe they've 526 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: been compared to. We brought in some amazing guests, and 527 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: we made one complete episode on Jamis Winston. We did 528 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: one complete episode on Marcus Mariota. We've since gone through 529 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: and done it on on a few players in each 530 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: draft class and this year. Uh but I think it's 531 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: our best year ever in terms of our three sixty series. 532 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: And if you enjoyed listen to Michael Vick today on 533 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Wait till you hear the Lamar Jackson three 534 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: sixty series that's coming. Because we have his high school 535 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: coach book. We've got somebody coach to Mitt Louisville. This 536 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: Mike Vick will weave this in there as well. Uh 537 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: it is. I think it's the best we've ever done, 538 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: and we're gonna have several more for all these top 539 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: players in this draft class. So be on the lookout 540 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, ever, really excited about I think this 541 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: three sixty series has an opportunity not only be a 542 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: best but most in depth series of three sixty interviews 543 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: that we've done the last couple of years. This quarterback class, 544 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: that the guys that have so many questions and intrigue 545 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: about them, we could try and dig down to get 546 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: all the answers before drafting. I'm excited about it. And 547 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: if you're a fan, you're you're You're getting some good 548 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: stuff because this is something that I've been told first hand. 549 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 1: Owners listened to these three sixties series because if you're 550 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: in the market for a quarterback, you want to learn 551 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: about these guys. This is a great tool for you 552 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: to do that, So be on the lookout for that. Again. 553 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: Thanks to Michael Vickford join us. That was a lot 554 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: of fun chatting with him. Buck the combine next week, Uh, 555 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: we all talk about the on the field workouts and 556 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: we'll get a chance to preview and react everything that 557 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: takes place on the field. But I had a chance 558 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: this week to put a little Ask five together. You 559 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: want to you want to drop the Ask five? Drop 560 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: there silly Ask five And I always, I always, I 561 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: wish forget we have that thing. Yeah, but Buck, I 562 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: just the question. The question was pretty simple, was just 563 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: who has most writing on the combined interview? So I 564 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: don't know if you've got a chance to see it, Bucks, 565 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: So I just want to get your reaction what you 566 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: would say, which which player has the most writing on 567 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 1: those interviews? In the Evening Man, it has to be 568 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen um in this because Josh Rosen is the 569 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: guy that we all have seen the talent, We've all 570 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: have talked about it. He may be the most pro 571 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: ready to be able to play the position. However, there's 572 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: some questions about his desire, his grit, his ability to 573 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: kind of want to be the guy that is the 574 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: leader of the squad and really wants to play the 575 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: game for a long time. How he answers these questions 576 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: and meeting will give teams a real insight and an idea. 577 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: Can they trust him to be the face of the 578 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: franchise going forward? So he, to me has the biggest 579 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: to gain with his performance in combined interviews, because if 580 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: he does it right, who's to say that he doesn't 581 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: walk out of there as the number one overall pick 582 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: by the end of the process. Yeah, that that came away. 583 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen got two votes on here, I'll give you 584 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: the cultural quick if if the folks listen, haven't haven't 585 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: checked this out. Uh, this is the first one from 586 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: an executive. I feel like Baker Mayfield will have the 587 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: confidence in Christma to carry a room in a quick 588 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: interview setting. Rosen could be polarizing, intelligent, but no telling 589 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: how he'll come across. My gut feeling is that half 590 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: the room is turned off and half the room is impressed. 591 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: I think that's something that's the line you've used buckets 592 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: that he's not going to be for everyone. But again, 593 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: it only takes one. I'll give you the the other 594 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: one on him, which was first impressions can set the 595 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: tone for the spring, and Rosen could easily dazzle a 596 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: team in a fifteen minute first interview. I'd expect him 597 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: to excel in that arena. Yeah, I think he will excel. 598 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: I think he's bright, he's articulate. I think until you 599 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: get to know him, you really don't know. All of 600 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: this stuff has been so speculative on what his personality is. 601 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: I think when you sit down you can find him 602 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: as a very very intelligent guy. He's worldly he has 603 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: a tremendous football mind. He understands football at a high level. 604 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: It really comes down to whoever the offense coordinated, a quarterback, coach, 605 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: whoever is around him, are they willing to take on 606 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: the challenge of having to always explain to why. He 607 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: has to know the why behind why you're doing certain things. 608 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: If you can handle that part of it, I don't 609 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: think you'll have a problem with Josh Rosen. What's the question? 610 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: What do you think you know? If you're gonna jump 611 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: back inside that room, haven't spent time in those interview rooms. 612 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: What's the What's the one question he's gonna get in 613 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: every room? Uh? Do you love it? How much do 614 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: you love it? How much are you winning? Willing to 615 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: um put in to be great at the position? You 616 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: have all these other interests. You're smart you, I mean 617 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: you come from a situation where both mom and dad 618 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: are accomplished. How much do you love football? I think 619 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: that is going to be the biggest question that he faces. Yeah, 620 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: I think that. I think you're right. I think another question, 621 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: I think people are gonna try and get under a skin. 622 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: They're gonna try and neat on him a little bit 623 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: I can envision some some people taking him down the 624 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: road of Hey, you're the you think you're worthy of 625 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: the first pick? How come you didn't win more? You know, 626 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: how come you guys didn't accomplish more at U c A. 627 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: What's his answer to that gonna be? Is he gonna 628 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: internalize that? And and is he gonna take on some 629 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: on us for for maybe them not living up to 630 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: expectations or else he gonna spread blames. He's gonna blame coaches, 631 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: He's gonna blame teammates. What's what's this answer gonna be 632 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: to that? I guarantee there's gonna be some teams that 633 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: are gonna try and get under his skin a little bit. 634 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: Oh for sure. I fully anticipate that part of it. 635 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: I believe that, um, people who don't get to know him, 636 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: they're going to think that it's going to be that 637 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: that really affects him. And I don't think that's going 638 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: to be the thing that pushes his button. I think 639 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: to push his butte with you will have to put 640 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: something up on the board or ask him something that 641 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense as it relates to football or 642 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: concepts or the like. That is the stuff that I 643 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: kind of or him and irritate him, like you're challenging 644 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: his intelligence, his intellect or whatever the personality for it. 645 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: I don't think yelling and fussing and all that other 646 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: stuff really is going to bother him. I think he 647 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: can check got on that. I think it really has 648 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: to be something that appeals to his mind and his 649 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: intellect that will disturb him to make him kind of exhibited. 650 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: Whatever it is you're trying to push his button to 651 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: get the reaction from Alright, another player we got two 652 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: votes for here. I got two votes when I reached 653 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: out to some executives around the league. Was Arden Key 654 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: defensive end, very talent defensive and from L s u Uh, 655 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: this was one response. Key really needs to explain what 656 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: happened last offseason he was out of school. Uh, and 657 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: talk about where he is now. He was the biggest 658 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: disappointment of the seventeen season. And then the other one 659 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: was another to vote for Key. People have to meet 660 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: the person see if he can explain everything that's happened 661 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: over the last two years. He needs to gain the 662 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: trust of the decision makers. When right, he's a special talent. Yeah, 663 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: he has a lot of explaining to do because there 664 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,959 Speaker 1: are a lot of people that were excited about his prospects. 665 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: They thought he was going to be a game changer 666 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: at the position, and then all off season there were 667 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: so many different stories where he's playing, he's not playing, 668 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: he's off the teams, you having issues? What is the 669 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: deal with Art and Key? And then when you throw 670 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: that um with the tape that you look at and 671 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: the tape was up and down. You don't see a 672 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: guy that consistently plays with a high motor. Sometimes he 673 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: can be bullied, uh in games. You just wonder how 674 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: much does he want it? Is he really really trying 675 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: to be an elite player at the position? So he 676 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: has a lot to answer for because it comes down 677 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: to trust. Can I trust you to be the guy 678 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: that we're drafting you to be a dominant player that's 679 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: gonna show up weekend, week out and be a force 680 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: off the edge. I think a lot of people have 681 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: questions on whether he's committed to be in that guy. 682 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if you get the same name I get. 683 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: But the biggest fear with Art and Key is this 684 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: name comes up over and over again. Oh Randy Gregory, Okay, yeah, 685 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's the same, same, same, same type of deal. 686 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: These issues are very, very real and as as much 687 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: as we can become intoxicated by the talent, the guy 688 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: has to show up and be ready to play, and 689 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: he has to want to play. And you can't make 690 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: the guy want to play and want to play it 691 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: at a high level. Football is a hard game. So yeah, 692 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: everyone is looking at him saying, hey, do you really 693 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: want this? So he's gonna have to be able to 694 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: answer those questions. The last one here is uh is 695 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: for Baker Mayfield. Bucket says, a big opportunity for Mayfield. 696 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: Let's see if he owns up to past incidents and 697 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: how he conducts himself. I think it is big for 698 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. I think it's bigger than even he knows. Um. 699 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: I think the biggest question, and we've had this in here, 700 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: do you want to be a franchise quarterback or do 701 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: you want to be a celebrity. All those transgressions and 702 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: all the other stuff that we can talk about is 703 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: seeing gesture running from the cops like that stuff is 704 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: not necessarily what I'm worried about. Do you want to 705 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: do the dirty work? Are you committed to doing the 706 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: stuff that you need to do away from the limelight 707 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: to be a starting quarterback. When you look at the 708 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: guys that are successful, they're not always in the limelight. 709 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: They're not always seeing they're not photographed, there, not always 710 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: on I G. They're not Instagram of stars like. They're 711 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: kind of just going about their business doing their work. 712 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: I get it. Look your college kids coming out of 713 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner. Life is fun, it's enjoyable, but at 714 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: some point, can you turn the page. I believe he 715 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: is going to be asked about that a ton and 716 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: dad is going to determine how how much people fully 717 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: fully buy in on his prospects as a player. Yeah, 718 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: I'm with him with my advice. And I know some 719 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: people think this is silly and it's overreaction. Dude, just 720 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: just lay off social media. Just just lay off of it. Um. 721 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: It's it's when you're going to invest a top pick 722 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: in a quarterback, right, wrong or different, that you sleep 723 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: better at night as a decision maker when you think 724 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 1: from when he wakes up in the morning til when 725 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: he goes to bed at night. This kid is all 726 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: in on football, preparing for football. Look, I know I 727 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: get the bigger picture of leading a balanced Lifebuck, I 728 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: think we both admit that. But as if you're if 729 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: your jobs on the line and you're getting ready select 730 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback who carries your future and whether or not 731 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: you have to move your kids out of their school, 732 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: you want to be thinking that this guy is obsessed 733 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: with football. He's not worried about everything else that's going 734 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: on in the world, right, wrong, or and different. Those 735 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: are the facts. I'm gonna eas you to love it. 736 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna easy to really really love it like it's 737 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: going to have to be an obsession and obsession that 738 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: makes you wake up every day to want to be 739 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: the best, because if you don't love it like that, 740 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for us to be in the 741 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: same boat. Because we're trying to get to the destination. 742 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: We're trying to get to the winner circle. And if 743 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: you're not committing the same amount of time, same amount 744 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: of energy, same amount of effort to trying to get 745 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: that done, we have a tough time doing. And I 746 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: think that's how a lot of people have viewing these quarterbacks, 747 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: which is which is the who is the guy that 748 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: I can hitch my wagon too, And he's gonna get 749 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: us here. Yeah, no question. Well that's that's some of 750 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: the questions that I'm sure he will get in the 751 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: interview room. It's gonna be fun, though, to watch all 752 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: these guys throw. Hopefully get a chance to see all 753 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: of them. I think they will all throw. All the 754 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: top quarterbacks on the same field. Get to watch them, Uh, 755 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: spend the rock a little bit. That's gonna be a 756 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 1: lot of fun. We'll have some We'll have you covered 757 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: from start to finish on the combine. What NFL dot Com. 758 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: We'll have you on NFL Network. All your Combine needs 759 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,720 Speaker 1: will be taking care of there and actually moving sticks. 760 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: We'll be coming a couple episodes Life and there. We 761 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: got slowly hopping on the burden going out there, so 762 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: good sound, and we'll have some some big things coming 763 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: right silly Yeah, hit hitting the road again. I love it, 764 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: love it. Fellas can't wait to get to Indie. First 765 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: time going to the Combine. So gonna be gonna be 766 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: fun talking to gms and doing a couple of pods 767 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: out there. So looking forward to it. Solely getting his 768 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: frequent flyer miles up. Buck. I know he's there, so 769 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a first class on the flood. Yeah right, 770 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: more like in the back by the toilet. But we'll 771 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: still get there that that's not the point we'll have. 772 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: We'll have some good content though for everybody, so I 773 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: hope you look forward to that. I think that's gonna 774 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: do it for us today. Look, that was fun. We've 775 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: got again. We've got some big time three sixties coming, 776 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: We've got Combine coverage coming. We've got all your needs here, 777 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: all your draft needs taken care of here on the 778 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: Movie six podcast. Thanks again to everybody for leaving us 779 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: those rankings and reviews on Apple iTunes. We do appreciate that. 780 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: What a fun podcast, Buck, I can't wait to get 781 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: out to Indie get together and we'll do this again. 782 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us today. DJ Bucky Move 783 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: the Six Podcast, Sully producing, I com doing a lot 784 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: of work behind the scenes back there as well. We'll 785 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: catch you next time. Thanks for downloading Move the Sticks 786 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. For more, go to 787 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: NFL dot com Slash Podcasts