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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the whitetail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm joined by Lake Pickle to discuss Southern

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Speaker 2: deer hunting, summer deer prep, and the fascinating stories of

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Speaker 2: wildlife conservation that inspired his new podcast with Meat Eater

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Speaker 2: Backwoods University. All right, welcome back to the Wired to

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Speaker 2: Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light. This week

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Speaker 2: on the show is that just mentioned We are joined

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Speaker 2: by my buddy, Lake Pickle. He not only has one

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Speaker 2: of the best names that I've heard, but he is

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Speaker 2: also a tremendous storyteller, podcaster, hunter, representative of the Southern

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Speaker 2: Hunting and Fishing community, employee of on X, and the

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Speaker 2: host of the latest podcast with the mediator network, Backwoods University.

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Speaker 2: And so today on the show, we do a couple

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Speaker 2: of things. We discuss his new podcast. We discuss how

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Speaker 2: he became fascinated with wildlife, wildlife conservation, and the stories

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Speaker 2: of the people who are who are studying animals and

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Speaker 2: studying ways that we can keep them around and preserving

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Speaker 2: our hunting opportunities and traditions. We discuss that, We talk

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Speaker 2: a little bit about his background as a Southern deer hunter,

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Speaker 2: his experience. I didn't mention this at the top, but

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Speaker 2: Primos hunting crew for many years as well, so he

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Speaker 2: has like this really interesting background and following around diehard

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Speaker 2: deer hunters like Will Primos or Brad Ferris. And in

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Speaker 2: this podcast we discuss a little bit of what makes

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Speaker 2: Southern deer hunting culture unique, what makes the way you

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Speaker 2: need to hunt in the South unique, whether that be

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Speaker 2: you know, you know, hunting around people that are baiting

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Speaker 2: or hunting in big woods country. So we talk tactics,

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Speaker 2: We talk about summer deer prep, you know, doing camera work,

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Speaker 2: velvet scouting, all that kind of stuff, and much much more.

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Speaker 2: So today you've got a varied show. We're talking deer,

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Speaker 2: we're talking wildlife, we're talking conservation, and we're doing it

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Speaker 2: with a very fun, very informative, great guest, mister Pickle.

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Speaker 2: And I just want to say very quickly before we

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Speaker 2: get to that if you are listening to this in

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Speaker 2: real time when this podcast just dropped, which is well,

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Speaker 2: I'm recording this on June thirtieth, this podcast will drop.

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Speaker 2: I believe it will be July third. If you are listening,

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Speaker 2: then you are hopefully very well aware of the public

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Speaker 2: land sale that was proposed within the Senate Reconciliation Bill.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking about a ton on social media. You

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Speaker 2: dropped last week as a bonus. But as you probably saw,

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Speaker 2: that sale was removed from the bill. So the mandatory

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Speaker 2: sale of over a million acres of public lands was

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Speaker 2: taken out of the bill. That is great news. Each

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Speaker 2: and every one of you who made a phone call

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Speaker 2: if you were involved in this campaign to stop the

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Speaker 2: sale of public lands, I want to thank you from

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Speaker 2: the bottom of my heart. Thank you for your actions,

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Speaker 2: for your words, for the time you spent and invested

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Speaker 2: It's so important and I'm encouraged by the impact we had.

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Speaker 2: The rallying of the hunting and fishing and larger outdoor

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Speaker 2: mister politician, we are not going to stand for this.

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Speaker 2: We care about our public lands. This is as American

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Speaker 2: Number One, don't ever forget this in the future. Your

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Speaker 2: worth engaging on these things. It's worth paying attention to

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Speaker 2: If you read my book That Wild Country, or if

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Speaker 2: I appreciate everything each and every one of you did.

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Speaker 2: my chat with lake Pickle. All right, joining me now

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Speaker 2: on the line is mister lake Pickle. Welcome to show.

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Speaker 3: Lake Man, happy to be here, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, it's my pleasure. I am very excited not

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Speaker 2: I bet, well, it's It's been fun to watch your

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Speaker 3: So so what we say is backwards University focuses on wildlife,

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Speaker 2: some of the things you're talking about, you know, you

430
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: late eighteenth or eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, we basically

431
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: wiped everything out almost but the last we got our

432
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 2: act together and a handful of you know, motivated people

433
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: that really cared about this stuff stepped up and changed

434
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 2: the way we think about these things and we saved them.

435
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: So in some ways, that's very inspiring that our predecessors,

436
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: you know, figure this out and got us back to

437
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: the point that we are now, which is pretty darn

438
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: good compared to one hundred some years ago. So when

439
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: you consider that, it can be very encouraging. Those are

440
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 2: the two worlds I find myself like flipping between all

441
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: the time. These days. Does any of that resonate with you?

442
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 2: Where have you found yourself?

443
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Speaker 3: So, man, I actually had this conversation probably with more

444
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 3: people than wanted to hear me talk about it, just

445
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 3: like buddies at home. But when I was in the

446
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 3: midst of researching some of this stuff, I even said,

447
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 3: I think I was talking about Buddy Jordan, But I said, man,

448
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 3: I have spent I don't know how much time, you know,

449
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 3: driving down the road or whatever, just burning when time.

450
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there thinking like, should I be mad

451
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: about this because you look at it, I mean like it,

452
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 3: because you know it's one of those things hindsight twenty twenty, right,

453
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: and if you look at it like like sure and

454
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: through this perspective, you're like, yeah, we should be thankful

455
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 3: for what was saved. But man, those guys screwed up

456
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: a whole lot.

457
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

458
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: And then it dawned on me one day, I was like,

459
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: what in the world is me deciding to be mad

460
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 3: about that? What positive result is that gonna yield? Like nothing, none, whatsoever.

461
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: Now it's worth looking at that and making note of

462
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 3: what went wrong, so you know, we make sure to

463
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 3: not do the same thing. But again, and especially like learning.

464
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: That's so literally all of it virtually came from a

465
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: lack of understanding. And so yeah, that that resonates with

466
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: me a lot, man, because, like, for instance, one of

467
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: the episodes I have coming up is conservation history of

468
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: black bears here in Mississippi. A lot of these, a

469
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: lot of these early episodes are stuff that's just like

470
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 3: really close to home with me. We had, like, black

471
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: bears are native animal here. They were almost wiped out,

472
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Speaker 3: but they were never fully wiped out. They were never

473
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Speaker 3: functionally extinct here in Mississippi. At one point, I think

474
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 3: the lowest number was like twelve, so bad low. Yeah,

475
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: the past few years they've made and they've made a

476
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: natural expansion. They've they've been protected. You can't shoot them obviously,

477
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 3: but they're they're not a hunting season or anything, and

478
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 3: they've just been slowly naturally expanding. And they're a very

479
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: controversial animal now because if you if you go to

480
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 3: the root of it, the reason they're controversial people don't

481
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: understand them. That's been there's been enough generations occur where

482
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 3: we don't have bears that people don't understand them and

483
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: they don't know how to live with them, and so again,

484
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: if I were to approach that, and so in the

485
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Speaker 3: Black Bear program, the head biologists of of that program

486
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: is a very good friend of mine. I've actually it's

487
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: been awesome. I've been able to go and do a

488
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: lot of bear projects with them and have my hands

489
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 3: on lave bears, which is incredible. That looks good walking

490
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: through him with that stuff, and like just seeing just

491
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 3: like the from the eye level, from the ground level,

492
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: like just the level of controversy and the questions and stuff.

493
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 3: And it's like if you go if you went into

494
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 3: that with that angry mentality, you know, because there are

495
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 3: some people that are like, we should exterminate these things

496
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: while we have the chance. And if you go into

497
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 3: that mad, you're not gonna get anywhere. But if you

498
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: go into that with like a no, no, no, man, you

499
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 3: don't understand, let me let me explain this animal to you.

500
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 3: Let me like you know, cause again we I've researched this.

501
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 3: If you can go back from records of of Mississippi

502
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: in the eighteen hundred and nineteen hundreds, and bear was

503
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: a more highly regarded meat animal than a white tail was.

504
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: It's not fun, you know.

505
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: And so that's the way to approach it, or the

506
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: way that I've decided to approach it, is like you

507
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 3: just you have to approach it that way or you're

508
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: just gonna yield more bad results, like explain, you know,

509
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: try to understand the animal and the habitat and and

510
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 3: focus more on the people in the in our world

511
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: that you know you talked about that have done heroic

512
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 3: things to save wildlife.

513
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: What's your sense? I had kind of a similar conversation

514
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 2: to this, or at least around like a broadly similar

515
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: topic with a guy named Dan Flores. You know Dan.

516
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: He's he's also got a podcast for us, He's written

517
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 2: to rendus book on a similar topic, and and so

518
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 2: I was speaking with him about this same topic. And

519
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: he has this unbelievable deep knowledge of the long, deep

520
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: history of you know, our continent and what's gone on

521
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: with wildlife. But I think when you when you talk

522
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: to someone like that, they have you know, he has

523
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: seen this through the context of of a different generation

524
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: than you and I, right, And I guess I'm just

525
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: as someone who you know, similar age to me, hangs

526
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: out with a similar circle. What's your read on like us?

527
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: Like what we're on? Like our generation? And our understanding

528
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: of this stuff and and where we are at with

529
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: this because I think you know someone who's who's I

530
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: guess I don't know what I'm trying to say here, like,

531
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: but but maybe you're getting the general thing I'm flinging

532
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: at you. Really you talked about how like understanding this

533
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: stuff matters, and how shifting our our perspective on these

534
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: issues and also maybe shifting from being just like a

535
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: consumer to being more of like a advocate or at least,

536
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: you know, being able to you know, work with these things.

537
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: I guess that's something I'm feeling a little bit more

538
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: with Like our generation is like it's not as common

539
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: now for people to just be like I just want

540
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: to shoot stuff. It's it's I think it's becoming a

541
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: little more common like yes I like to hunt, or

542
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: yes I like to fish. And with that comes you

543
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: know a little bit of this, a little bit of that.

544
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: Is that something that you are seeing too or is

545
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: there anything else that you're kind of sensing when it

546
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: comes to you know, this next generation of hunters and

547
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: anglers and hopefully conservationists. I'm horrible asking questions today, Like sorry,

548
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: that was a real roundabout way of getting to something to.

549
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: You, I think I smell what you're stepping in. So

550
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 3: I think looking at yeah, like kind of the our

551
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 3: demographic right that particular age range or whatever. And you

552
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: could go younger too. If I were to go with

553
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: the negative, first I'll go negative, then I'll go positive.

554
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: The negative I would say, is we live in such

555
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: a dense information era that sometimes that can yield two

556
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: not so good results. One, I think it can be

557
00:30:54,320 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: taken for granted. Two Well, and let me I mean

558
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: by it can be taken for granted, is I think

559
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: you like no one wants to go to find some

560
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: of these records I've been telling you about a stuff

561
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: that was going on in Mississippi in the eighteen hundreds. I

562
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: had to I had to do more than type it

563
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: into Google and see what popped up on the AI results. Yeah,

564
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like it's it's it's becoming

565
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: like information is so easy that it's like why would

566
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: I take another step? You know, I got I got

567
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: my quick answer right there. That's problem number one. Problem

568
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: number two is like it's real easy to get the

569
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: wrong information. Like there's a lot of like you could

570
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: go and get. You can get caught in your own

571
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: echo chamber if you want to, like, you can google

572
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: until you find the answer you want to find, you

573
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: know what I mean. But on the positive side of that, well, man,

574
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: I remember talking to Will Primos and Brad Ferris about

575
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: it about like content in like this newer in like

576
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: this current time, and they were like, man, back in

577
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: the time where they were making VHS is premost truth

578
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: about hunting VHS is They're like, if we even tried

579
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 3: to put in a segment about the NWTF and Turkey research,

580
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: like no one wanted to watch it. They were like,

581
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 3: it would be clear that like people didn't really care

582
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: about watching this kind of stuff. Whereas now, like I'm

583
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 3: sure you've heard it too. When I go if I

584
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: interview biologists about something, some of them will go on

585
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: and on. They're like, people just it's it's so encouraging

586
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: people care to know about this now and that like that,

587
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: Like I said, I went negative first. I think the

588
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: positives heavily outweigh the negatives, because it is, dude, this

589
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: podcast that I'm doing, you know, where we were looking

590
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: at this stuff. If if what you're asking about, if

591
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: that wasn't true, I don't think this podcast would ever

592
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: even been entertained to be an idea, because it would

593
00:32:59,280 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: be like, why would they care?

594
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, good point, you know what I mean. It's interesting.

595
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: So I think I think, yeah, I think people have

596
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: a more well let's go, not not to derail the conversation,

597
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: but like the current public lands issue, Thank god, I

598
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 3: haven't heard anybody say, man, we just can't get hunters

599
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: to call about this stuff, you know what I mean.

600
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: Everyone's been like this is great. Everyone's come together and

601
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: they're calling an email and so so yeah, I think

602
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: I think there is more of a sense of wanting

603
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: to understand and caring about the resource, and that's that

604
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: can only yield good things.

605
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: So, you know, as far as you've gone so far

606
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: into this world, you know, you mentioned earlier that you

607
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: said that, you know, one of the things that stood

608
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: out is maybe like a consistent thing was the fact

609
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: that you know, you can't fight for or advocate what

610
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: you don't understand. But what about like a a lesson

611
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: or a takeaway or like an action item Like I mean,

612
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: you've looked at, you know, what happened to Buffalo, you

613
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: looked at what's been going on with Black Bears, you've

614
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: looked at you know, quail, You've looked at deer, and

615
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: what's going on in Mississippi a little bit. Is there

616
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: anything as far as like moving forward that we as

617
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: hunters and anglers can be thinking about or trying to

618
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: do a better job of or we're digging into more

619
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: if we want to make sure that things are trending

620
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: up rather than down. You've got to study a handful

621
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: of these stories now, and I'm just curious if there's

622
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: any like action or priorities that we as individuals can

623
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: be keeping in mind so far.

624
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So like the there's actually, like the Quail

625
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: was a topic that I did, Like I said, this

626
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 3: other episode came out, but I did two episodes on it,

627
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: like the next one, and it's kind of it's you know,

628
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: centric on Quail, but it's focused on kind of what

629
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: you're talking about. It's like, all right, I understand that

630
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: we used to have a lot of Quail, and I

631
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: can wrap my head around why they were diminished so much.

632
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: But episode two is like what's the future of them?

633
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: Like what can we do? And one of the biggest

634
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: things is like just taking some ownership, you know, like

635
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: like understanding that that is a resource that has to

636
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: be managed. And that sounds cliche, but like in that

637
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: in that other episode where it's focused on the future

638
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: of quail, like I interviewed some people that they're fam

639
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: like one of the guys, man, he's such fun, he's

640
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: such a fun guy to talk to. He's in his

641
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: eighties now and he had quail like it's it's this

642
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 3: land has been in his family since he was a kid,

643
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: and he watched the quail get diminished and it just

644
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 3: broke his heart because you know, he cared about quail

645
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: hunting like you care about Whittahun and that dude made

646
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 3: it his personal mission to establish quail back on his place. Now,

647
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: not to he never had any restocked or anything like that.

648
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: It was just he got with some biologists, he got

649
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: with some people that knew what they were doing, and

650
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 3: they were like, we've got to fix this place. And

651
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: they did all the habitat work and continue to the

652
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: habitat work. And it's a bit of a it's it's

653
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 3: a it's an anomaly of a story in some ways

654
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 3: because now he's done so well with it and spread

655
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: the progress out between his neighbors and got them all

656
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 3: with the same program, because you know, who would have

657
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: thought when he starts doing all this awesome habitat work

658
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: for quill he started how you know, guess what else

659
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: went up? His turkey quality is deer quality? Did you

660
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 3: should see like some of that place, like with the

661
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 3: with the wildflowers on it and just like it looks

662
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 3: like something out of a time machine. But uh yeah,

663
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: just taking ownership, man, like, not being passive about it

664
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: and not going, well, that's what we've got a department

665
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: of wildlife for, you know, that's what the that's what

666
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 3: the biologists do again. The wildlife thrive when and I

667
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 3: don't mean this arrogantly, it's just like history shows it

668
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 3: in the in the world that we live in today.

669
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 3: Why would I thrive when humans want them to thrive?

670
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 3: And that I mean it's pretty much as simple as that,

671
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 3: and there's so much proof there. But like so yeah,

672
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 3: like as far as going forward, it's taken ownership and

673
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 3: you're like, don't sit there and go man, I wish

674
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 3: the turkey population in whatever state you live in was

675
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: was doing better. Okay, what can you do about it? Like,

676
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: what can you do as as an individual? You know

677
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: what I mean?

678
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a great point, and it's and we

679
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: we have a huge opportunity in that way. And I've

680
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: talked about this on so many episodes in the last

681
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: couple of years, but you know, hunters manage nearly four

682
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: hundred million acres of land across the nation. That's almost

683
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: as big as our entire federal public land estates. So

684
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: when you look at the swath of land that we

685
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: have influence over, it's real. I mean, so yeah, we

686
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: don't need to wait for anybody. We can tackle a

687
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: lot of the stuff ourselves. I mean, that's such a

688
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: huge thing, such a huge thing. So I love that

689
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: that's something that the Ears are going to be exploring

690
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: in that Quail episode. And it's so funny, like so

691
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: many of us, at least you know, in my circles,

692
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: we come to this first through white tails, right, because

693
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: so many of us love white tail deer. That's you know,

694
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: that's America's critter. They're everywhere, and you might get a

695
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: lease or own some land or have access to something.

696
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: And through that, though, you then have this opportunity to

697
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: then help all these other critters that aren't doing as well.

698
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: And and like you mentioned, you do some good stuff

699
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: for quail or for grouse or for pollinators or whatever.

700
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: It is almost always it's gonna be great for your

701
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: deer too, So you're gonna get win wins across the board.

702
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: It just takes a little bit extra time just to

703
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: kind of think through what you're doing. But the super

704
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: rewarding to see that kind of thing.

705
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, And we're actually like there's one it's not

706
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: done yet. I haven't even made the first interview, but

707
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: there's there's a couple episodes that I'm lying I'm working

708
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: online and up the interviews for. But they're going to

709
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: highlight people that have done just that. Like there's like

710
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 3: I said, I probably shouldn't say too much about it yet,

711
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: but like one of them is a landowner that the

712
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: land has been in their family for it literally hundreds

713
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: of years, and their farm, their property is again I

714
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 3: keep saying the word like a time machine or a

715
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: time capsule, because it is. But do they have done

716
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: so much work on it and and it and it

717
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: is work these days to maintain at the level they

718
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: have to to where it's just man, just the attention

719
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 3: they've paid, like the attention they have paid to native

720
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: habitat and consistent prescribe fire, and just I could go

721
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 3: on and on and on, but do the ripple effect

722
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: that places like that have not from just like people

723
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: coming out there and seeing their place, and so there's

724
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 3: we'll start spending walkin do on my place, the ripple

725
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 3: effect on how they're affecting their neighboring properties in a

726
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: positive way. And to your point, like the further you

727
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: go east, the further public land there is, right, Mississippi's

728
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: like ninety four percent private or something like that, And

729
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: so much of our Department of Wildlife Management strategy is

730
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 3: the name towards like well, I'll give you an example

731
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: that I think it was last spring. They had a

732
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 3: game Bird Weekend and what they did it was a

733
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: open to the public. It didn't matter if you owned

734
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 3: ten acres or ten thousand acres. It was there was

735
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: a I think it was like thirty bucks and you

736
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 3: got fed, breakfast and launch for two days. You had

737
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: you had seminars where you could do Q and A

738
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: with different biologists, habitat managers. There was prescribe burning, there

739
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: was native plants, there was trees, there was everything imagine.

740
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 3: And then we went out and did a prescribed fire.

741
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: We did some hands on type stuff and it was

742
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 3: completely it was completely geared towards like the dude who

743
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: owns thirty five acres and is wanting to know, well,

744
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 3: what in the world can I do? You know? And

745
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 3: and and that's the way like that, that's the way forward.

746
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 3: You know.

747
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so cool. Uh so so with uh with

748
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: white tails? You know, perfect segue here with white tails

749
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 2: on the mind, what you know, other than chasing around

750
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: all these new podcast stories and burning the burning the

751
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: tires off your truck traveling these places, what's your white

752
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: tail world look like? Uh? This summer? Do you have

753
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: time to do much prep yet? Or or is all

754
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: this keeping you out of the white tail woods.

755
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: A little bit? It's definitely definitely out of it a

756
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: little bit. Uh. The other part of it is is

757
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 3: like it's so miserably hot right now. If you wanted

758
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: to do anything, I will say, and I'm not you

759
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 3: unique in this way. I find myself doing some white

760
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: tail scouting while I'm out turkey hunting, and literally the

761
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 3: last day of turkey season, the last day of turkey

762
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 3: season down here is May first, and I always hunt

763
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 3: May the first because once the last day of Turkey

764
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: season two. It's the day my grandmother passed away a

765
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: few years ago, and so I always I just I

766
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: go out on that day. It doesn't matter what the

767
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 3: weather is, doesn't matter, I just go. And I went

768
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: to a place on public around here that I had

769
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: not been to in a long time. And I was

770
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 3: walking in there. It was late in the morning. I

771
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 3: was just kind of cruising and anyway, there was a

772
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 3: place and this is all in public. Some of the

773
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 3: timber had been logged, and had been logged for a

774
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: little while. So there was this giant thicket and to

775
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 3: see you have this big thicket right here, and I'm

776
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: walking the edge of this thicket and I'm like, man,

777
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 3: I'm already thinking. I'm like, man, I wonder the de

778
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 3: You're gonna be bedding nothing here now, you know. And

779
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 3: walk a little bit further, a little bit further, and

780
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: there's like and I'm you know, like I said, I

781
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: hadn't been to this spot in a while, but I'd

782
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: hunted this area of this forest for quite a while.

783
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 3: And I was far enough back in there that like

784
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 3: I already knew. I was like, man, not a whole

785
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 3: lot of folks would would come back in here and

786
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 3: I come up and there's like there's like four big

787
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: white oak trees like thirty yards off of this thicket.

788
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 3: And I was like, yep, marking that before before I

789
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: left that spot, Like I was like, I'm gonna have

790
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 3: a camera and here the closer we get, the seasoned,

791
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 3: and I already found a tree that I could get

792
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 3: in and like it. I mean, man, early October, when

793
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 3: I get a when I if I can get a

794
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 3: north or an east wind, that's where I'm gonna be.

795
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 3: That's where i'd me.

796
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: So is summer scouting not as much of a thing

797
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: down by you because of the miserable, humid, hot weather,

798
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 2: or do you guys folks like still get out like

799
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: velvet scouting? Is that a thing down by you? Like

800
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: by me? You know it come July a lot of

801
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: evenings you're out sitting on the edge of a beanfield glassing,

802
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: you know, late July into August. Is that just a

803
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 2: crazy thing to do by you because.

804
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 3: Of the weather, not not because of the weather. If

805
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: you live in the Mississippi Delta, you're probably doing some

806
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: of that just because there's not as much like just

807
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: not near as much row crop like the our roa

808
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: crop down here and in the other parts of the

809
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: state is is La Blay pine trees. Honestly, like there's

810
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 3: there's just not a whole lot of like places where

811
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: you could go and just like glass deer and so

812
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: the closer it gets, like, I know some folks in

813
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 3: the Delta that they'll spend some time doing some velvet

814
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 3: scouting because that out there, you you actually would, it'd

815
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: be worth your time to do it. But like around

816
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 3: here central like I would, I don't do much velvet

817
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: stuff but r on cameras for sure, but not not

818
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 3: a whole lot of velvet stuff unless should go down there.

819
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: Okay, So what's the summer camera program in your neck

820
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: of the woods?

821
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: H dude, I'm like, what do most now? I don't

822
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 3: do it. I don't. Baiting is legal down here. That's

823
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 3: about ninety five percent of what the camera running consists of.

824
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 3: And that's that's just a fact. Like I said, it's

825
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: it's legal. I I have done it before, I make

826
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: no bones about it now. I'm not just not a

827
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: big fan of it for a for a whole swath reasons,

828
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: but uh, that's what that's the way most of it

829
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: has done these days, and if not that, it's usually

830
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 3: like a mineral rock or something like that. If I

831
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 3: was to go run some cameras, I probably would. Well, man,

832
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: I normally don't even start touching them until you know,

833
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: late September.

834
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: So if you were going to try to get some

835
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: summer pictures without bait, is there anyone who's doing it

836
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 2: in a way where you can get some decent pictures

837
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: despite not having that big attracting because that, like you know,

838
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: I remember early. I mean, it's always a challenge to

839
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: get pictures in the summer without the easy option of

840
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: a trophy rock or bait or something. Yeah, it's a

841
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: little bit easier if you've got row crops. It's gotta

842
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 2: be really tough without any of those options.

843
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, man, I'm just being honestly. I don't even

844
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 3: know if I've ever even tried to be to be

845
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: totally honest. And now, I mean, that's that's interesting because

846
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: now my wheels are spinning them. If someone was like,

847
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 3: you must try to get some good pictures, I'm like,

848
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: what would I do? But I could figure something out,

849
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: but I don't know. Yeah, I've never I don't think

850
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 3: i've ever really done it, and it's always like an yeah,

851
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: like a trophy rock or something like that.

852
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, those are deadly effective in the summer, that's

853
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: for sure. I Mean I'm not a baiting guy myself,

854
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: but I you know, I did like it back in

855
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: the day when I could put a trophy rock out

856
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 2: there over a camera in the summer and you certainly

857
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: pictures rolled in.

858
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: Can't argue with that, dude. Well, like when I was

859
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 3: when I was growing up, like if you heard of

860
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 3: somebody at home getting caught hunting over corn or something,

861
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: it was like they were like a social pariah. It

862
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 3: was like and you'd be like, wow, we do that. Well,

863
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: now like it's it's completely legal. So and right when

864
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: it was legalized, it was like are you kidding me?

865
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't we do this? And so, you know, I

866
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 3: mean I used it for a while and then I

867
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 3: just kind of was like, eh, like I said, whole

868
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 3: list of reasons, but personally I don't care to do

869
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 3: it anymore. I don't knock anyone that does. I just

870
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 3: don't have you phoned down by.

871
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: You know, in places like that where there's so much

872
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: of it, are the guys who are like were guys

873
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 2: and girls who are killing like the big Bucks mature bucks.

874
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: Are they even doing that on bait or are they

875
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: having to kind of play off of it and shift

876
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 2: it around and or is other people's baiting impacting people's

877
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 2: ability to do that too?

878
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: But well yes, so the answer to the second one

879
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 3: first is other people's baiting impacting people one hundred percent,

880
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: like one hundred percent and so and like it's it's

881
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 3: a very man it's such a nuanced and complex issue.

882
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 3: I have friends, several friends who don't really care to bait.

883
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: They just don't. And they have places that they put

884
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 3: a lot of time into, you know, working on the

885
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 3: habitat trail, like like really trying to make the place better.

886
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 3: And they and this is a like this is anecdotal,

887
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 3: but this happens a lot. Like I'm thinking of one

888
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: particular friend had a place who's working on and as

889
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 3: a friend and like his a neighboring property that's like

890
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: forty acres. Nothing is done on that forty acres in

891
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 3: terms of habitat, but they put a corn feeder out

892
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 3: there and let it spind. And now like that dude's

893
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 3: you know, pulling deer off, like directly benefiting from his

894
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 3: habitat and deer, I mean, because they're gonna go to

895
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 3: I mean, they're gonna go to that corn feeder man,

896
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 3: they just are. And so he was like in this

897
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 3: in this position, just like conflicted. He was like, I

898
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 3: don't know what to do. I don't want to bait,

899
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: but like the deer just getting suctioned off of my property,

900
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 3: you know. So I say, I refer to bating a

901
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 3: lot of times as this self perpetuating thing, because that's

902
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: the mentality like, well, if I had all my neighbor's

903
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: going to and then I'm not going to have any deer.

904
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 3: And to some degree that's true. Unfortunately, the upside of it,

905
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: like I said that if there is a positive of it,

906
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: like it there are a lot of people, let enjoy

907
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 3: doing it to each their own, but there are like

908
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 3: people are killing some really big deer doing it like

909
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 3: that's I can't argue with that fact at all, Like

910
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,479
Speaker 3: people are killing some really big deer that way.

911
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: So one thing with like with the baiting programs and

912
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: or you know, cameras, there's always this question of you know,

913
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 2: are you educating deer? Like these are tools that supposed

914
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: we can help you, but Also if you're in there

915
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: messing around with things, or you've got sell cameras doing

916
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: their thing, there's always done these questions about are you

917
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: also doing more harm than good with this human influence,

918
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: whether that's you know, messing around with cameras or messing

919
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: around out your feet or whatever it is. I gotta

920
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: believe you've seen a bunch of different instances with this,

921
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: whether it be on your own stuff or you know,

922
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: rolling around with the premost crew. I mean, you've seen

923
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: a lot. Where's your head at on on kind of

924
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: that balance because I'm always trying to balance this, especially

925
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: with me for the cameras, it is the big one.

926
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 2: But but what have you seen over the years.

927
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's a similar thing, like to your point,

928
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 3: like with with cameras, right, It's like before the cellular

929
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: trail camera, if you wanted to run a trail camera,

930
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 3: you had to walk out there, you had to track

931
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 3: all the way up through there, leave your scent all

932
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 3: over the place. You know, you could go through all

933
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: the all the precautions you wanted to, you're still leaving

934
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: some sort of scent. You just are, you know, And

935
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 3: then cellular trailcap cameras happened, and that that was that

936
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 3: was very I mean that was a significant change because

937
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: that's just like a huge portion of human influence and

938
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: pressure on the woods just eliminated. So it was the

939
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 3: same same thing, you know, like when people figured out

940
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 3: feeders that you could put on a timer and set

941
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 3: to spend a certain amount of days. Because like in Mississippi,

942
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 3: like I said, it's legal, but you can't just go

943
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 3: and dump it on the ground. It has to be

944
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 3: like the laws, like it has to be in a

945
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: covered trough or a like a spin cast type feeder.

946
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 3: And I mean I've seen it several times. I got

947
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 3: buddies that deal with it. And it's not like you

948
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 3: can't you can't like bet on it. But there are

949
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 3: certain mature deer that they they figure that out man

950
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 3: like and and I will like some people will tell you,

951
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 3: they'll like, man, you want to make a buck go nocturnal,

952
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 3: start feeding them like they they they fit. Now, like

953
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 3: I said, that is not one hundred percent whatsoever. But

954
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 3: some of those five six year old bucks like yeah,

955
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: like they'll come to your bait at nine o'clock at night.

956
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 3: And so that that definitely does happen. And some of

957
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 3: the folks that that are killing them, now, uh what

958
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 3: they've what I the most probably popular tactic is, uh,

959
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: it's some sort of bay. Typically, like even if it

960
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 3: isn't a trial feeder, they will they will put a

961
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 3: like just a huge amount of feed where they don't

962
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 3: have to go back there for a while, and then

963
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 3: they pop a cellular trail camera up and so it's

964
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 3: basically the same premise, like the food's there, but there's

965
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 3: not a human going in and out of there, and

966
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 3: they got that cellular trail camera popping and the set.

967
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: Some of them, I know some guys that are like

968
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 3: the second daylights one time he's in there, you know

969
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 3: he's in there hunting them, or some some of them

970
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: like I got to see him daylight twice before I

971
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 3: risk putting some pressure in there. But that that's typically

972
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 3: how it goes. There's there's still a like a very

973
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: important element of like limiting human interaction or human pressure

974
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 3: on the woods.

975
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: So like, how the heck are you killing deer if

976
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 2: you don't have two hundred pounds of corn out there?

977
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: And I sell cam telling you when they show up

978
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: for the first.

979
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 3: Time, well, well let me let me, let me give

980
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 3: a like an honest representation on myself, Like I don't

981
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 3: try to present myself as some awesome deer killer one

982
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 3: thing that because honestly, man, and this is like I have.

983
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 3: Let me let me be clear, I have. I have

984
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 3: something against baiting. I don't care for it. Trail cameras.

985
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 3: Have nothing against trail cameras, but I rarely use them anymore.

986
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 3: And I'll be completely honest with you why in recent years,

987
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 3: because when I was doing stuff with Primos, we did

988
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: so much with product development. It was just like non

989
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: stop trail camera stuff to where like I remember, like

990
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 3: I never wanted to be One time we were going

991
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 3: to hunt somewhere and I was like, had this complete

992
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 3: notion of we're wasting our time. And the reason I

993
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 3: felt that way is because the way the trail cameras

994
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: are running. And it hit me. I was like, man,

995
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 3: there's no way to be, you know. And so the

996
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: past couple of years, I either like on Public, like

997
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: where I was telling you about where I found those

998
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: white up trees, I'm gonna put a trail camera there

999
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: just because I'm curious what's coming in there. But the

1000
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 3: past few years, like between Public and a place that

1001
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 3: me and my buddy have access to We have access

1002
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 3: to about twelve under acre track, which is nice one

1003
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 3: because it's twelve hundred acres of course, right, but two

1004
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 3: with a with a property that big, you actually can

1005
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 3: you can't have some deer that that that property is

1006
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 3: big enough, you can have some deer and have them

1007
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: not be influenced by you know, a feed that's going

1008
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: on on the perimeters, right. Uh. And so that's what

1009
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 3: that's what we've been doing, is like just going in

1010
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 3: there and men and just just go honestly, man, just

1011
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: going in there and hunting, you know, just to go

1012
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 3: on like old school and it man, like going there,

1013
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 3: finding sign and just trying it out, seeing what happens

1014
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 3: and just putting it together. And like sometimes it works,

1015
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 3: sometimes it doesn't. But I've I've really enjoyed it.

1016
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, what's like, uh, I mean, kind of going

1017
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: back to one of the things I just said there ago,

1018
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 2: you've been able to have this wide exposure I think

1019
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: to a lot of different ways of doing stuff, right,

1020
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: I gotta believe with with the crew you've rolled with

1021
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: and getting to hang out with folks like will or

1022
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: Brad and you know, so many others you've learned from

1023
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: some of the best, no doubt, right, Yeah, what What's

1024
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 2: what have been those major things you've taken from those

1025
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 2: folks you've learned from, like the major you know, like

1026
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 2: if there was like a stone tablet and will roll

1027
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 2: down like the five most important things to be a

1028
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 2: successful deer hunter where or something like that, or Brad

1029
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: or whoever it was, do a handful of things stand

1030
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 2: out that you've been able to take from these legends

1031
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: over the years that you're still putting into play now

1032
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: yourself when you're doing it on your own.

1033
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 3: Mm hm. Honestly, it would be if especially if I'm

1034
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 3: just talking about like deer hunt. Uh one thing I

1035
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 3: learned it, and I learned it in like fairly early,

1036
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 3: like in the first three years of being there, like

1037
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 3: because I remember the first year I can waiting for

1038
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: me to like catch them doing this like huge thing

1039
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 3: and me go, oh, that's the thing that makes them

1040
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 3: so good at this, you know, and there honestly, there wasn't.

1041
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: There wasn't some like huge thing that they were doing

1042
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 3: differently and like this. If this sounds cliche, I forgive me,

1043
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 3: but it's like it's true, and I can give some

1044
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: examples they weren't doing the like a lot of the

1045
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: big things that they were doing were big things that

1046
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 3: everybody else were doing. Like, of course you hunt the wind.

1047
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 3: Of course you take the at you know, the proper

1048
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 3: amount of time to make sure your gear is good

1049
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 3: to go, and you practice with your boat. Of course,

1050
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 3: you know, you you when the you know, you watch

1051
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 3: for cold fronts, you know, like the obvious stuff. The

1052
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 3: things that they did were like this, like this culmination

1053
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 3: of small things that other people might not do. Like

1054
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 3: you probably have buddies like this too. I've been guilty

1055
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 3: of it before. When they're a pro coach in a

1056
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 3: morning or an afternoon hunt, the mindset is like what

1057
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 3: is the latest I can possibly sleep and get you know,

1058
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 3: getting up the tree as quick as you can and

1059
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 3: where it's like them, it's like I want an hour

1060
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 3: of a grace period, Like I don't want there to

1061
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 3: be a single chance that I'm late, right what talking about?

1062
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 3: Like I mean everyone knows, like some people would say,

1063
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 3: like routes to a stand is a big thing, dude.

1064
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 3: Some of the ways when I because I filmed Brad

1065
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 3: a lot, especially in the early years, like I hunted

1066
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 3: idea hunting with Brad more than anybody else. I would

1067
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 3: get aggravated at that, dude sometimes for some of the

1068
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 3: crazy out of the like just out of the way

1069
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 3: like routes we would take to get to a tree stand.

1070
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 3: But like, there is no way that was going to

1071
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 3: risk that a deer was gonna smell us getting in there. Like,

1072
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 3: there was never ever a lazy approach to a stamp

1073
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 3: like it. It did not happen. Dude, everything Brad and

1074
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: Will they both did this. Man, if there was a

1075
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 3: te screw like like that you that you're gonna put

1076
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 3: in the tree to hang your backpack on, that tea

1077
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 3: screw is going to have electrical tape wrapped all the

1078
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 3: way around it. There was not anything that was going

1079
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 3: to make a dan, not one like I mean, just

1080
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 3: like all this small minute stuff that just culminated and

1081
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 3: just made it to where like they're like, they made

1082
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 3: it to where it was as seamless as possible.

1083
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that's you can't hear that enough. I mean

1084
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: I've heard different versions of that from so many people

1085
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 2: that it's it's almost like the golden rule of deer hunting.

1086
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 2: Now it's there's no there's no silver bullet. There's no

1087
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 2: easy answer. There's no like, oh, this is the secret,

1088
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 2: except for do all the little things. It's like there's

1089
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: no big thing because all of the little things, added up,

1090
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: layer after la after layer, are what lead to success

1091
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 2: in the end. That's just so true, dude.

1092
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 3: Even I've got I've got another one. Like I remember

1093
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 3: we were hunting somewhere. There was this, there was this

1094
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 3: This was really early despite in the first, first or

1095
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 3: second follows with him, and uh, there was this big

1096
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 3: a point that we were after. And he was cool man.

1097
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 3: He had like matching kickers on G two. I mean,

1098
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 3: just a cool fuck real had had a lot of masks,

1099
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 3: dark horned. He was just cool. He was really cool.

1100
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 3: And we had gone through like all this rigmarole trying

1101
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 3: to get this deer in front of us, and finally

1102
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 3: Brad got this notion. There was this tree. I mean,

1103
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 3: I remember, I remember, It's like it was yesterday. We'd

1104
01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 3: been hunting, we'd had a double lock on set in

1105
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 3: this honey locust tree is an early season like early

1106
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 3: like super awesome food source in the early season. And uh,

1107
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 3: we just weren't like even though we you know, we

1108
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 3: thought the wind was right we thought our approach was right.

1109
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 3: But after I think we went in there like two

1110
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 3: three times, we had some doze and stuff come in,

1111
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 3: but we never saw that buck. And Brad was like,

1112
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 3: something's not right, like he's catching us coming in there something,

1113
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 3: and he kept he decides like walking out one day,

1114
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 3: he's like, we're moving sets. We're going to that tree

1115
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 3: and there was this wonky tree like it took us

1116
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 3: forever to get the stand in there. Uh And it

1117
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 3: worked like that, Like as much as careful as we

1118
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 3: were as we were trying to take to get in there,

1119
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 3: there must have been something with the route that we

1120
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 3: were taking, because the first time we moved that set,

1121
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: we ended up shooting that deer. But the point that

1122
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 3: I was making is, you know, like we're sitting in

1123
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 3: this double set and does started coming through early filtering through,

1124
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 3: heading towards that honeylocust tree. We're I mean, we're not

1125
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 3: fifty yards from where our first set was Game of Inches, right,

1126
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 3: and where the way we had the two lock on set,

1127
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 3: like I always had binos on even though I was

1128
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 3: running the camera and me and Brad just chilling. These

1129
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 3: does coming through, and there was one like three year

1130
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 3: old buck, and I'm just I'm just looking at the buck.

1131
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 3: And I pick up my byos, look at him, sit

1132
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 3: there and film war. And I go to grab my

1133
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 3: binos again and I feel Brad's hand just stop me.

1134
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 3: And I'm like what and he and he said, what

1135
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 3: are you doing? I said, looking at that buck? He

1136
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 3: goes you already looked at him, and I was like,

1137
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 3: what do you mean? He was like, why would you

1138
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 3: risk the movement that you ain't got a risk? Fair enough? Yeah?

1139
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: Interesting the stuff like that.

1140
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 3: Man Like if he Brad like, he's not going to

1141
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 3: be constantly doing this number with his binos, He's going

1142
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 3: to look as much as he needs to, and then

1143
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 3: he's conserving movement.

1144
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: M little things. The man, man, that's the true. What

1145
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 2: about what about like unique to the South? I mean,

1146
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 2: you guys and I'll get to go up and do

1147
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: some stuff from the Midwest, but then you've also obviously

1148
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: had this Southern experience being down there yourselves. And this

1149
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: is a place that I've always fallen short with with

1150
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 2: wired hunt over the years. As being a northern guy myself,

1151
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 2: it's so easy to ignore or just be ignorant of

1152
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: the unique aspects of hunting down south. You know, having

1153
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 2: gotten to experience a little bit of all of it yourself,

1154
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: what has stood out to you is like, man, these

1155
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 2: are the big things that are different about hunting in

1156
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 2: the South, or ways you need to approach it differently

1157
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 2: than you know, what you see everybody doing on TV

1158
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 2: in the Midwest, or you know just how folks do

1159
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: it in Michigan or Iowa or Illinois.

1160
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 3: Dude, I'd say one of the biggest things is a

1161
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 3: lot a lot of the other places that we would

1162
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 3: go for widetail when we traveled, even if it was

1163
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 3: like not a crazy terrain laden place like Wisconsin can

1164
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 3: be your Iowa or something like that. I it's crazy,

1165
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 3: and it's one of I grew up hunting this fla

1166
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 3: country down here, so I didn't know much different than it.

1167
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 3: But I remember the first time that I went to

1168
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 3: Iowa and I hear someone say a pinch point, and

1169
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 3: I look at this pinch point, I'm like, no kidding,

1170
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 3: you know. And so one of the bigger obstacles or

1171
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 3: like huge things that you would have to overcome at

1172
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 3: home without bait obviously, like bait can be the great equalassar,

1173
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 3: but but is it's learning like how to pattern deer

1174
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 3: movement in that flat country. And there's like, man, one

1175
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 3: of it's like vegetation, like hunting privot lines is a

1176
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 3: big thing down here. Another thing and it's gonna sound

1177
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 3: like I'm contradicting myself, but I'll elaborate, is learning to

1178
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 3: look at a topographic map, because one thing that I

1179
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 3: learned is I can go to a place. I'm thinking

1180
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 3: of a place right now, a place that we hunted

1181
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 3: on the Big Black River, especially for bottoms, like of

1182
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 3: course the river bottoms pretty flat, you know. Man, You

1183
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 3: pull up like a topo map like on X or something,

1184
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 3: and the slightest topographic change, and I mean so slight

1185
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 3: that like some of that river bottom stuff. You pull

1186
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 3: it up and you turn topo on, and you're like,

1187
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 3: there's still not any lines here, There is no there

1188
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 3: is no topo. If you see that line, if you

1189
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 3: see a single line, like I will go and scout

1190
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 3: along that one topographic change, because those that wildlife knows

1191
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 3: it's there, like and I and you will find even

1192
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 3: when you're standing there, you're like, this all still looks

1193
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 3: the same, Like this doesn't look hardly anything different from

1194
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 3: from here or there. But it'll be just slight enough

1195
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 3: that the vegetation will be different that deer will be

1196
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 3: using it for travel that you will find like you'll

1197
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 3: find the most subtle saddle and there will be a

1198
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 3: trail through there. But that's that is huge down at home,

1199
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 3: learning how to determine travel in that flat country, I

1200
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 3: think I would say that to me, I'd say that's

1201
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 3: probably the biggest.

1202
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know what it's like exactly where

1203
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 2: you hunt. But one thing that I've seen and heard,

1204
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: like when I went and did a project down Mississippi

1205
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 2: last summer the summer before was down there in the

1206
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 2: is it the DeSoto National Force? Is that right? Yeah?

1207
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 3: You were like down around like Leaf River or something,

1208
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 3: weren't you.

1209
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds right. I think that rings well. Yeah,

1210
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:29,959
Speaker 2: being in some of that country, you can just see

1211
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: like these vast tracts of timber, you know, I mean

1212
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 2: there's not the obvious there's not the obvious vegetation pinch

1213
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 2: points or like obvious bedding, obvious feeding, obvious travel from

1214
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 2: a to b like you have in row crop country.

1215
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 2: And I know that's you know, all these pines stands

1216
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 2: through Georgia or Mississippi or Arkansas or Alabama, Like I

1217
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 2: know that's a consistent thing. I've hunting down in southern

1218
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 2: part of Alabama, same thing. Like that is a real deal.

1219
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 2: Trying to trying to dice big country like that is

1220
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 2: not easy.

1221
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 3: No, it's not. And it's dude, it'll drive you crazy.

1222
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 3: Like even the guys that I know that are like,

1223
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 3: there's I got somebody's down here, man, Like I said,

1224
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 3: I'm as and I'm just being honest, Like as a

1225
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 3: deer hunter, I can hold my water. But I got

1226
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 3: buddies that like I'm like, dude, that's a that's a

1227
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 3: good deer hunter. And even those guys, they'll drive themselves insane,

1228
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 3: especially on a new property, like like trying to figure

1229
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 3: out because the other thing is like, well I said,

1230
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 3: they will be using those subtle topo changes. It's not

1231
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 3: like like I remember I remember one of the first

1232
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 3: times I filmed in the Midwest. I think I saw

1233
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 3: every deer that inhabited those woods come down this one ridge,

1234
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 3: you know, whereas like these like you don't know what

1235
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 3: they're gonna do. You know, like you find a trail,

1236
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 3: like yeah, that buck's gonna be using it, but you

1237
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 3: don't know if he's using it, then you know, you know,

1238
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 3: it's just it's it's uh, it's you. You drive yourself

1239
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 3: insane trying to trying to pull a pattern on them.

1240
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 3: Food sources are huge, huge, Like I said, that's why

1241
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 3: when I found those white oak trees I was talking

1242
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 3: about earlier, I was like, oh, you know, when you

1243
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 3: find something like that next to a big thicket, like,

1244
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 3: that's about as good as an indicator as you can get.

1245
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 3: Lord Willing, we have a good acre and craft this year. Yeah,

1246
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 3: but like stuff like that, it's good to kiyo, but yeah,

1247
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 3: it's tough, man, It's tough.

1248
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 2: Do you have the itch yet? Like every year, right

1249
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 2: around July ish is when I really start getting the

1250
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 2: white tail. It's like I'm thinking about it throughout the

1251
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 2: year for all sorts of different reasons in different parts

1252
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 2: of the year, but I don't start getting like weird

1253
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: until usually July, and that's I'm like, oh, man, I

1254
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 2: gotta start watching my white tail YouTube videos or pull

1255
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 2: out this North American white tail and start annoying my

1256
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 2: wife with stuff like that. Has that started for you

1257
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 2: yet or if not, when does that peak?

1258
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 3: Typically about I've actually been like, and this is now

1259
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 3: I've shot my bow three times, like like three different

1260
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 3: days going out and shoot shooting my boat shout like

1261
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 3: three times over the past week and a half. And

1262
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 3: I some folks would be like, what are you doing?

1263
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 3: You should be shooting it more probably, but I'm saying

1264
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 3: that is in like normally I don't. I'm not shooting

1265
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 3: it all this time now, I'm not like July. August

1266
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 3: is when I'm typically like out there every day shooting.

1267
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,839
Speaker 3: But I'm a little like, I'm kind of surprised myself

1268
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 3: that I'm shooting this early.

1269
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: But uh.

1270
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say typically probably around the same time frame,

1271
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 3: especially about August, you know, like you really start thinking

1272
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 3: about it and you've been like Turkey season is far

1273
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 3: enough away, and by the time you hit August, you've

1274
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 3: gone about as long as you can stand without being

1275
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 3: able to something.

1276
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 2: You know, for me, and I know this isn't possible

1277
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 2: down your neck of the woods as much, but for me,

1278
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Speaker 2: that first time when you see a buck in a

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Speaker 2: field like a bean field or alfalfa fielders something, you're like, oh,

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01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 2: that's a nice buck, Like the first time they've grown

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01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 2: enough where you're like ooh, and you're seeing those like orange,

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01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,600
Speaker 2: beautiful shiny coats out there in a green field that

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Speaker 2: just like gets my juices flowing. And it's usually, uh,

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Speaker 2: it's usually just downhill from there, so we're getting really close.

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Speaker 3: We're getting close, dud, dude, And this is this may

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01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 3: sound goofy to you, but like I get when I think,

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Speaker 3: cause like I mean, I may look up and shoot

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01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 3: a good buck in October. Typically typically if I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: kill a good buck, it's normally later in the year December, January,

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Speaker 3: rut stuff like heavily after the like post rut keno

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Speaker 3: and food shorts type stuff. When I get when I'm

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Speaker 3: getting jazzed up about October early botseason, I'm thinking about

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Speaker 3: shooting dose like I which again we have a lot

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Speaker 3: of deer down here, but I love shooting does with

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Speaker 3: my bow. And that I mean, And like I said,

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Speaker 3: some folks are like the dough you know. But uh,

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Speaker 3: like even when I when I'm talking about that white

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Speaker 3: oak spot, like of course I would love for a

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Speaker 3: you know, a good buck to walk into there. But

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Speaker 3: when I'm thinking about going in there and hunting it,

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01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about, oh, there's gonna be some does come

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Speaker 3: into here that I can pop.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, I feel like I'm getting more

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01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 2: of that way every year, more and more. There's there's

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01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 2: something about there's something. I don't know if this is

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01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 2: the same for you, But when I flip the switch

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01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 2: from like I'm in buck mode to instead like dope Patrol,

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01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 2: when I flip that switch, it just it's just a

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01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 2: totally different hunt, and it's obviously a more target rich environment,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know, it's just so much fun. It's

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01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 2: it's maybe less pressure, but more opportunity coming your way. Likely.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: So I'm always I'm on Dope Patrol a whole lot

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Speaker 3: more than I'm on Buck Patrol.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm following. I'm following that path more these

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Speaker 2: days myself too. Well, Like, give me this before we

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Speaker 2: wrap it up. Give me the quick rundown for folks

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Speaker 2: on where to find the new podcast when episodes are

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Speaker 2: coming out, and if there's anything else that you can

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01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 2: or want to preview for people other than what we've

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Speaker 2: discussed so far.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so Backwoods University. It comes out every other week.

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Speaker 3: But I told one person bi weekly and they're like

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01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 3: twice a week. I'm like, no, that is Codunystic. Yeah,

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01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 3: so every other week. So we had one come out

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Speaker 3: yesterday or Monday, June twenty third, and so the next

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Speaker 3: one will come out in two weeks. But it comes

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Speaker 3: out on Mondays every every other Monday on the Bear

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Speaker 3: Grease feed. Clay was talking about it the other day.

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Speaker 3: It's like our feed's getting so complicated, it's getting lengthy

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Speaker 3: to start to explain it because you got to go

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Speaker 3: Backwoods University on the Mediator podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: On the Bear Speak Yeah, it is getting a little wordy,

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Speaker 2: that's true. Well man, I'm I'm really excited about it.

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Speaker 2: I think you're after a great start. I appreciate the

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Speaker 2: the issues and topics and stories that you're sharing with people.

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Speaker 2: It's so fascinating, it's so important. So keep it up, man,

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Speaker 2: and thanks thanks for taking this time to chat dear

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01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 2: and wildlife and all the good stuff in between.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, man, thanks for having me on. I always enjoy

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Speaker 3: chatting with you.

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Speaker 2: It's great, great stuff, all right, and that's going to

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Speaker 2: do it. Thank you for joining me. Hopefully you enjoyed

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Speaker 2: my chat with Lake and until next time, stay wired.

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Speaker 2: Done