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Speaker 1: that really limits the number of suspects because who else

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Speaker 1: has access to a crawl space For Pete's sake. This realtor,

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Speaker 1: a young, handsome, forty year old father off David Stokoe

431
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: initially reported missing on a Thursday when he failed to

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00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: come back home after going to an apartment to collect

433
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: rent from tenants. He never left that apartment, according to police,

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00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: Police find David fatally shot and his body stuffed he

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00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: had inside a crawl space inside the wall of the

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00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: apartment he was visiting to collect the rent. A seemingly

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00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: mundane task, going to collect the rent goes sideways. David

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00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: Stoko worked here at rand Life Real Estate as an

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00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: associate broker. His colleague here tells me his death has

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00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: devastated their entire team and has shaken the entire real

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00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: estate community in Utah. Stoco was a licensed real estate

442
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: realtor for more than eighteen years, and in that time,

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00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: those who knew him tell me he has a very

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00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: good reputation of being someone that was kind and easy

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00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: to work with. Investigators say Stoko was shot and killed

446
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: during a confrontation while trying to evict one of his tenants.

447
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: They say this tragedy is an alarming reminder for them

448
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: of how dangerous their jobs can be. Cripple just cripple

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00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: er all of us. I mean, as an asset, he's amazing.

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00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: He had more energy to give than most people I know,

451
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: positive energy, let alone the pillar he was in the community.

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Speaker 1: And I think it really hit me hard because it

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00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: was actually here, someone I knew, and in Utah. I

454
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: read about these stories and other states, but not here.

455
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: How senseless the death of a father of four not

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00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: the death of murder you were hearing KTVX ABC four

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Speaker 1: reporter Rosie Gen speaking with his real estate colleagues. Is

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Speaker 1: they remember him? But why did it have to be

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00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: this way? Just collecting the rent goes so wrong. Drugs, Nancy,

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00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: and I said to your producer, in this particular situation,

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00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: the individuals were probably high on drugs. Take a listen

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00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: to what cops are telling us right now and a

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00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: police pressor. The people that were dealing with are drug users,

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Speaker 1: and so drugs were part of the world that they

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Speaker 1: were involved in. Certainly, our victim was an innocent person

466
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: that didn't have anything to do with the drug world.

467
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: He just happened to be involved in interact and through

468
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: renting this apartment to people that were involved in the

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00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: right world. I think it unfolded very quickly once he

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00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: was there. I don't think that there's anything that had

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00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: we moved faster would have would have changed any of that.

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00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: It was a very quick incident, and I haven't spoken

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Speaker 1: with the family. I know our investigators have. They reached

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Speaker 1: out and had communication the different pieces. Obviously, we found

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Speaker 1: the vehicle in West Valley, and we nuns possibly where

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00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: Mere where we were in an apartment, and South salt Lake.

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00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: So we're tracking down leads all over. Primarily the South

478
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: salt Lake location early this morning was where we found

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Speaker 1: several of our individuals associated at this incident. It looks

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Speaker 1: like most of these were found at the warficion you

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00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: were hearing Detective Gred Wilking with a Salt Lake City PD.

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00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: You know, your initial hunch, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family

483
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: lawyer was absolutely correct. This was a situation that was

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00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: exacerbated by drug use, not by the victim, the father

485
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: for David Stokoe, but by allegedly the people he went

486
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: to go collect rent from. I mean, what could be

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00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: more normal than paying your rent? And why did it

488
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: have to end end homicide? Kathleen Murphy the drugs that

489
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: are affecting our population right now is causing such turmoil

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00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: and trauma. This guy was shot, I don't know how

491
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: many times he was shot, but then his body was

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00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: put into a crawl space. How inhumane is that? I mean,

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00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: with no regard for the family at all. And I

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00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: don't wanna go to you. Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert

495
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joe Scott,

496
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: we see every day in our line of business, no remorse,

497
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: no empathy at all for the victim or the victim's

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00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: family at all. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Let me put

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Speaker 1: one more element in here. No common sense on the

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00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: part of these perpetrators, Nancy. They have left a wide

501
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: swath of forensic evidence behind that's going to be very,

502
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: very difficult for them to escape. What I'm really curious

503
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: about here, the way this young man was killed, the

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00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: way he was executed. I want to know what. I

505
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: want to know. What kind of position did they put

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00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: him in. Did they stand over him and shoot him

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00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: in the back of the head. Did they just stick

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00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: a gun in his belly and shoot him. I want

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00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: to know these things. And Kathleen had mentioned the inhumanity

510
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: of taking this guy and stuffing him into a crawl

511
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: space that is going to bode very, very poorly for

512
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: them in court. You know, it's really haunting me right now.

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00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: And Robin Willinski Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, Robin,

514
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: it's everyday things like I'm going to collect the rent

515
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: I cop, going to a domestic where you think it's

516
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, not going to be a big deal. And

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00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times, Robin. You know

518
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: my husband very well. He'll be at a red light.

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00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: The person want movie beeps the horn. Now he more

520
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: sits on the horn. It's a it's a it's aggressive,

521
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: not like a dude. Dude, And I'm like, David, have

522
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: you lost your mind? He goes, they need to go, Like, true,

523
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: they do need to go. But look around. You don't

524
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: know who just got out on parole. You don't know

525
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: who's packing a gun right now. You just don't know

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00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: what seemed to you it's no big deal. Can turn

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00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: on a dime, Robin, and that's what happened here. I know,

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Speaker 1: I think exactly like you do, Nancy. You know, I

529
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: get frustrated in those situations and then you think Wow,

530
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: does somebody have a gun, It's just going to turn

531
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: around and shoot you. You don't know if people are

532
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: hopped up or high on drugs or opioids or what

533
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: they're doing. Did they just get high, Are they on cocaine?

534
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: You just don't know. And I think that we need

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00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: to point out that this guy was not a drug user.

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00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: He was not going there to buy drugs and putting

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00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: himself in jeopardy. He was at all. Oh, not at all.

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00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: That's the point I really want to stress, and that

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00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: the police are stressing, and that basically he's just there.

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00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: You know, when you're a realtor, this is a guy

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00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: who feels comfortable showing strangers homes. So he has no

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00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: reservations about going into this house because he's the homeowner

543
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: and they're the tenant in a normal relationship, and so

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00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: you and I have both rented apartments. You know, the

545
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: homeowner comes to check on things or collect the rent

546
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: and nothing like that is going to go down. So

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00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: he felt comfortable in this scenario because he's a real letor.

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00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: He deals with strangers. He goes to houses and apartments

549
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: all the time. So I don't think in his mind

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00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: this scenario ever played out. He never reminds me. When

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00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: I was prosecuting downtown Robin and I lived in midtown forever,

552
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: right behind the popular restaurant Mary Max, where you can

553
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: still get collars and turnips. And I rented a little, oh, gosh,

554
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what you would call it, a little, tiny,

555
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: tiny apartment house. And it was behind one of the

556
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: big old homes on Pen and the landlords was the

557
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: little old lady who had been born in the home

558
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: and her new husband, okay, and they're both in their eighties.

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00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: He was in and out of my apartment all day,

560
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: every day, merv and he was always fixing this or

561
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: doing that, and I never thought anything about it. I

562
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: couldn't have cared less. But you know, people, especially when

563
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: they're exposed to drugs or they're on drugs, they just

564
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: don't think the way we think. And I'm looking right now,

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00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, family lawyer, I almost will sick them a

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00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: stomach jack. You look at this picture. This is a

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00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: picture of David Stokoe with his wife. She's beautiful, and

568
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: they've got three little girls. She's got them all dressed

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00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: in these little winter white vests. And a little boy

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00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: who's dressed like his dad in the picture. Oh my stars,

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00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: three little girls and a little boy. He's forty. Now

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00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: what are they gonna do, Kathleen? I mean because of

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00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: these three drug things don't want to pay their rent

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00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: and they kill this dad. Oh Nancy, I swear I

575
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: almost feel sick to my stomach just looking at this

576
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: picture and imagining what this mom, what is she going

577
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: to do now? And with these four children to raise

578
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: all on her own. Nancy have three girls and one boy.

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00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: My husband has been on many domestic calls as a

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Speaker 1: early firefighter. It is scary for her. It is done,

581
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: it's happened. Her worst fear has come true, and that

582
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to be by myself and my kids will

583
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: not have the main role model this girls in their life.

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00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: Very sad and tragic. Kathleena want you and Robin and

585
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: Joe Scott and Ashley Jackie. I'll listen because this is

586
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: his brother. This is David's brother speaking to Aaron Cox.

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00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: Dave was a real estate agent who was murdered while

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00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: trying to collect rent from two of his tenants. Absolutely

589
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: horrific news, but his family says that's not what they're

590
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: focusing on and any strength and abilities that I have

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00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: that are the result of somebody on this earth. He's

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00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: the one. Nil still go is the youngest in his

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00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: family of six boys. His older brother David was murdered

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00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: on Thursday. He was everything to him. I looked up

595
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: to him as a leader, as a friend, as a mentor,

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00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: as someone who has my back, has my best concern,

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00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: it might my best interest in mind. Neil says, Dave

598
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: took the time to know people, especially his four kids.

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00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: He made decisions like I'm going to stay home and

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00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to color with my kids. Not only a

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Speaker 1: family man, but Dave was also a religious man. Neil says,

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00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: Dave believed his life had a purpose. And we had

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00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: a brother that committed suicide when we were you know,

604
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: when we were in our teenage years, and had a

605
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: big impact on us. And so he took that cause,

606
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: and he took that situation and he turned in into

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00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: a way to help others. Dave was the one who

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00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: inspired Neil to serve a mission for the Church of

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00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. Dave would write him

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00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: letters of encouragement while he was gone. Every letter that

611
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: he would send me he always signed it the same

612
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: thing he said, travel well of the journey. He would

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00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: say like love you bro, travel well, travel well of

614
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: the journey. And that's what Neil intends to do, focusing

615
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: on the life they shared with Dave and hoping for

616
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: good things to come, just like Dave would have done.

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Speaker 1: The biggest compliment someone does, someone could pay me. I

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00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: sound like your brother. Leaving behind a family of four

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Speaker 1: and a wife, Neil says he believes he will see

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00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: Dave again, and until then, in Dave's words, I love

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Speaker 1: you bro, travel well the journey doing good because of this,

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00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: and that is the very thing that Dave would want

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Speaker 1: out of this whole thing. He would see this as

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00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: an opportunity for people to be better. Nancy Grace Crime

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Speaker 1: Stories signing off goodbye friend,