WEBVTT - #708 Packers Unscripted: Coaches’ perspective 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:10.960 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.040 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford. He is my 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:17.920 trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you from different 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:22.200 locations here at lambeau Field and Wes, let's just dive 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.200 right into it. As members of the media, we are 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:30.200 getting access to the Packers assistant coaches on various days 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:36.280 throughout this week, with OTAs beginning next week. And I 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.680 want to start right away with the story that you 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:44.760 wrote after the media availability on Tuesday of the Packers 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.600 coordinators and specifically with regard to Joe Berry and the 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:52.080 Packers defense, because we talked on a previous show when 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:54.800 Kenny Clark had spoken to the media on the same 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.960 day that Aaron Jones and Jordan Love did. We talked 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:00.760 about how Kenny Clark was not shying away from the 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.800 expectations that there will be for this Packers defense with 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.640 adding another first round pick to now there will be 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.679 eight first round picks first round draft picks for the 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:11.600 Packers on that side of the ball, and the fact 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.080 that the defense did not live up to for the 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.479 first half three quarters of the season last year, did 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.800 not live up to the expectations that everyone had. Those 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.720 expectations are back in place. Kenny Clark was not backing 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.479 down from them. Joe Barry was not backing down from 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:25.960 them either. 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.200 No. I think that's the idea here for the Packers 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:31.920 defense is that they understand what the expectations are going 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.440 to be this season and in how high that they're 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:37.039 going to have to rise to. The one thing that 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:38.800 was interesting, we had this little bit of an I 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.360 don't want to call it an awkward exchange, but you know, 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.720 Mark Daniels wanted to play some some word play stuff, 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:46.600 and I don't think Joe was quite on the same 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.280 wavelength with them at the press conference, but it ended 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.919 up eliciting a pretty good quote though from Joe Barry 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.440 and talking about, you know, it doesn't matter if they 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.120 have eight first round picks or the entire defense is 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.240 seventh rounders. The expectations are always going to be high 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.080 in Green Bay and they understand that. So last year 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.840 wasn't what the Packers wanted defensively. It took too long 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.120 to get to where they wanted to be, and actually 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.000 I think a lot of it ended up being out 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:14.520 of necessity. The adjustments that they made. They lose Eric Stokes, 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.120 they lose Rashan Gary. You have to start trailing and 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:22.600 traveling jyr Alexander around the secondary. You have to push 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.239 Rasseul Douglas outside. And I think some of the concepts 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.519 that they worked inside worked for them better down the stretch. 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:29.920 That one stat I dug up Mike where the Packers 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.040 were at giving up one hundred and fifty four rushing 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.079 yards per game in the first twelve contests and then 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.080 only one hundred the last month of the season in December, 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:41.120 when you typically see more rushing offense become prevalent in 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.680 the league. I think that told you where they went. 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.959 And also getting back DeAndre Campbell down the stretch I 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.480 think helped as well. So coming out this year, it's 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.440 all about getting off to a faster start. It's all 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.680 about setting a quicker tempo, and the Packers need to 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.200 be able to do that because now you don't have 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.640 Aaron Rodgers, you don't have that experience on the offensive 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.560 side of the ball. You're going to have a unit 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.200 that you expect to be better at the end of 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.480 the season. But right out of the gate, the one 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.840 known commodity for this football team is its defense and 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:08.080 it needs to play to that level. 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:13.080 Yeah, and I thought Joe Berry very much reiterated a 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.720 discussion that we had had. Maybe it was a couple 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.440 of weeks ago. I can't remember for sure if it 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.440 was pre draft or post draft, but a discussion we 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.120 had had with regard to the defense, where the fans 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:24.880 are always asking, well, is this going to be a 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.040 top five or a top ten defense? And that's not 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.840 how That's not really what's important. What's important when you 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:35.160 look back at last year is how much the defense 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.880 went through this roller coaster, this peaks and valleys of 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.640 some really good play and then things would really fall 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.520 off and then they would rise back up again. And 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.839 Joe Berry talked about finding a level of consistency. There's 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.920 no such thing as, as you know, saying, Okay, every 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.120 single game, the Packers are going to give up seventeen 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.200 points and that's it. Like, that's not how it works. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:58.600 That's not what's meant by consistency. But it's about smoothing 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.080 out those peaks and valleys in the play, finding a 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:05.440 level of play that that can be relied upon, that 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:09.440 that can can be more consistent. Because the other two 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.720 phases of this team, the offense and the special teams 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.760 are gonna need something to rely on from the defense. 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.840 And I thought that was really the crux of Joe 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.880 Berry's message, that you know, they went back looking at 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.680 everything in terms of how the defense played last year 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:27.840 and they are done now looking in the rearview mirror. 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.120 It's about looking for but when they did study it 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:34.240 earlier in the offseason, it was about, yeah, there were 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.640 some stretches of really really good defensive play, but then 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:41.200 it wasn't sustainable. And then when things fell off, they 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.600 fell off considerably, and and those those peaks and valleys 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.279 need to be smoothed out. And that's what Joe Berry, 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.400 all of his assistants, the leaders on the defense, the 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.520 Kenny Clarks and the Preston Smiths and the Rashaun Garys 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.160 when he's back jyr Alexander, that's what those guys have 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:00.159 to figure out, is to smooth things out with this 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.840 group so that everybody knows what they can count on well. 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.600 And I think a good example that too, Mike, was 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.479 that game in Philadelphia, because we all knew that challenge 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.320 it was going to be trying to stop Jalen Hurts 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.000 in that offense, and then he comes right out of 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:12.400 the gate and has like one hundred and thirty one 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.719 rushing yards in the first quarter. They give a five 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.279 hundred for the game, forty points a season high in 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.480 that matchup, and yet they still almost found a way 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.800 to claw themselves back into it late with Jordan Love 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:26.039 at quarterback. So probably the best example of defense I 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.159 think in my mind is what Aaron Glenn did with 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.440 Detroit last season. Detroit statistically was not a good unit, 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:33.960 but if you watch them against the Packers both at 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.559 Ford Field and then in that finale at lambeau Field, 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.120 you wouldn't have known that they put together an effort 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.599 to stop Aaron Rodgers in this offense. That's where the Packers' 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.600 defense needs to get to. The teams that you want 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.320 to dominate, put together a strong performance, give you guys 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.479 a chance. But when you play a team that maybe 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:51.880 you're not supposed to show up well against, maybe a 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.479 team like in Kansas City and December, how do you 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.359 respond I felt down the stretch, the Packers responded a 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.760 lot better to that, looking at that performance they had 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.000 on Rismas Day against Miami. Obviously, the job they did 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.920 against Minnesota a week later. That's going to be the 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.719 key for them, As you mentioned, getting things even and 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.200 also understanding situationally. The Packers have to do a better 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.719 job this year the red zone. They actually were pretty 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:17.920 good on third downs last year, but four downs they 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.280 were like thirty twenty third in the league. I think 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:24.000 it was being able to win situationally. Stopping the run 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.080 is going to be key, especially early on when you 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.960 have to replace Dean Lowry and also Jaron Reid. It's 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.040 so many different things, Mike, It's all these different organisms 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:36.880 coming into the same sort of body of a season 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.680 that they have to get going in the right direction 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.800 because consistently, that's probably what was the biggest piece that 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:44.400 was missing for them in twenty twenty two. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.359 Yeah, And I thought it was interesting in regards to 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:52.320 that consistency message because that is essentially the same message 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.000 that's being delivered in terms of what the Packers are 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.159 looking for in what appears to be a wide open 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:03.560 competition at safety for the starting job. Alongside Darnell Savage, 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.320 the Packers they've signed two free agents to various more 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:10.600 Jonathan Owens. You have Rudy Ford coming back, you have 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.440 a seventh round draft pick in Anthony Johnson Junior. You 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.200 have a lot of guys that are gonna be in 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:20.000 the mix for that starting spot at safety, and it 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:24.920 seems like what they're looking for is a consistent, you know, 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:31.000 even even keel steady performer. Not coincidentally, they're looking to 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.480 replace Adrian Amos, and that's exactly what he was right like, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.000 they they don't want to take a step back there, 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:41.000 and obviously we know part of the reason that Adrian 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.720 Amos isn't back is the Packers have some salary cap 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.720 considerations and Adrian Amos's price is going to be higher 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.160 than some of these other free agents that they've signed, 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.440 so they're they're up against it there. But they're looking 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:56.280 to replace Adrian Amos with a very very similar player, 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.520 a player that can be relied upon, who can make 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.360 the calls, who's going to get people in the right position. 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.520 And it's going to take all of OTA's, all of 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.880 training camp, all the preseason to sort this out because 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.360 when the question was asked, I believe it was asked 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:14.160 of Greg Williams, the new defensive passing game coordinator, when 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.360 do you need to know who the other starting safety is? 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:17.600 And he was like, well, when do we go to 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.400 Chicago for Week one? I mean that's they just have 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:21.960 to get it figured out by then. But they will 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.560 use all the time necessary to get it figured out 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:28.280 because that is really the one true starting spot that 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.280 is open as this offseason continues. 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.760 Well, and you have to find those answers too, because 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:35.600 I don't want to, you know, put it through anybody's 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.679 name under the bus. But I think back to twenty 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:41.040 twelve when they transitioned away from you know, Charles Woodson. 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:45.439 They had John McMillan, m D. Jennings, and I give 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.720 my credit to both of those guys for the job 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.200 they did. But it just you can tell when you 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.959 don't have that position filled on the back end, kind 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.280 of the domino effect it can have on things. The 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:59.240 next year, obviously, Mike Hyde transitioned back. They drafted Haja 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.080 Clinton Dixon the first round. The difference here with what 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.320 the Packers are doing is it's a very veteran Leyden Garup. 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.920 I mean, Rudy Ford has started games in this league. 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.000 Jonathan Owens played nine hundred and sixty snaps last year, 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.880 started all seventeen games, one hundred and twenty five tackles 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.679 for the Houston Texans last season. They have guys that 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.079 they can, you know, potentially look towards ta various more. 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.240 Various more started I believe it was started eight games 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.840 in the COVID season in yes, twenty twenty for the 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.280 forty nine ers, and then in twenty twenty one he 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.479 ends up blowing out his his achilles in the offseason 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.959 or during training camp, I can't remember which, but ends 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.120 up missing all of twenty twenty one when he was 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.080 coming off of a season when he had started half 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.640 the game. So this is this is a young player 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.760 who still maybe hasn't quite necessarily reached his peak in 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:46.599 the NFL either in athletically. 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:48.120 I mean a lot of potential there. This is a 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.600 former third round pick for the San Francisco forty nine ers. 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:53.520 So and then you also got guys like in this 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.160 games coming back too. There are so many different players 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.720 that could potentially compete for that. But before we close 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.199 out the point, Mike, I just want to say, ultimately, 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:03.760 the guy that the Packers are going to be looking 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.520 towards the most though, is Darnell Savage. He's the guy 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:08.679 that is the fifth year veteran. Now he's the former 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.280 first round pick Darnell Savage is going to be put 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.080 in a place to really thrive this season. He's going 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:15.720 to be the man on the back end. He's going 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.000 to be one of the big communicators for them. I 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.480 know last year there were some peaks and valleys to that. 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:22.600 He was in the lineup, he was out of the lineup, 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.480 he was in the slot, he was on the back end. 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.720 This offseason, it's going to be the Darnell Savage show there. 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:30.840 And whoever it is that ends up lining up next 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.200 to him, creating that team work together, creating that that 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.439 camaraderie is going to be critical. I'm very interested to 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:39.960 see what training camp looks like and obviously seeing how 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.640 they take the approach to with the preseason. Yeah. 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.880 Absolutely, Well, I want to get to some of the 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.120 other coaches we heard from as well. But first, a 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:52.280 little bit of sponsor business. 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A couple 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.240 of things with Stenovich that really stood out to me. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:27.520 One he talked about how there is going to be 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.600 competition on the offensive line through this offseason, through training camp. 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.200 He mentioned, you know, right tackle and right guard and 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:40.040 possibly center, competition developing there at those spots. So where 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:43.560 the Packers ended last season with Josh Myers at center, 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.880 John Runyon at right guard, Yosh Niemen at right tackle, 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.679 that's not necessarily how things are going to look in 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:55.000 Week one because there's a young fourth round draft pick 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.400 from a year ago named Zach Tom out of Wake Forest. 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.760 Who is who's going to challenge for starting spot on 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.199 this offensive line. We're just not sure yet exactly maybe 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.400 which spot he's going to make the strongest push. 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.800 Yeah, Tom is the number one guy I have my 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.320 eye on this season because for that very reason, Mike, 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.760 I mean, it is not easy to come in and 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.720 play right away as a rookie in the National Football 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.600 League on the offensive line. You and I have seen 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.440 it time and time again. Tom not only did that, 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.440 he did it at a moment's notice. He did it 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:28.320 at various different positions that game against Washington. That reminds me. 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:29.800 I said this to you when we were in the 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.439 press box at FedEx State at FedEx Field. It reminded 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.920 me of what J. C. Tredder did. Thinking back into 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.680 twenty sixteen when they needed him to play left tackle. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.280 He hadn't been a left tackle since college, but yet 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.360 he rose up to that and he played to that level. Zach. 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.000 Tom proved a lot of things to me, and I 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.720 think more than anything, what he showed was given a 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.800 full offseason. We haven't seen Zach. We don't know what 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:53.600 he looks like, we don't know how all the stuff 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.240 went for him. But given a full offseason to continue 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.160 to grow, I just expect him to compete for a 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.240 starting spots and honestly, when Week one comes around, I 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.400 would not be surprised at all to see him in 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.520 the lineup because I think he can compete at right guard. 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.520 I think he can compete at right tackle. You know, 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.319 Yash Naimen's back on the tender, but still I think 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.120 that's going to be a healthy competition, and as Stenovich said, 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.480 it could even be at center, you know, with Josh Myers. 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.800 I mean, they want to put together the best five possible. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.160 And at this time the only thing that is for 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.280 certain is that you're going to have a five time 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.120 All Pro left tackle and David Baktiari and a two 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.800 time Pro Bowl left guard in Elton Jenkins, and then 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:30.880 kind of the rest is to be determined. But I 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.720 love the fact I said this time and time again, 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.000 draft one in the first round if you feel like 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.480 there's a big ten year starter there. If there's not, 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.360 you got twelve guys coming back, Mike, give those guys 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.240 an opportunity to perform and see what they can do. Yeah. 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.880 Absolutely, And the Packers have a lot of guys quite 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:52.040 frankly at that played a lot of tackle in college. 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.520 You know, Rashid Walker was a seventh round draft pick. 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.000 Last year, you picked up Luke Tanuda, who was I 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.120 forget exactly which team had draft to him, Buffalo, six 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:04.400 round Buffalo, that's right, a sixth round pick there for 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:08.600 the Bills. So those those guys, you know, maybe they're 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.160 you know, going to try to push things at right tackle. 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.760 But then you're also looking at You're looking at backup 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.640 spots right on both sides as far as left tackle 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.880 and right tackle. So there's gonna be a lot of 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.800 competition across that offensive line. Go ahead. 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.360 I was just gonna say too, the size of these 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.960 guys to Nuda Caleb Jones at six foot nine Jones Jones. 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:31.480 Jones is the other one. Yeah. 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.480 I remember Mike and the off season program four years 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.440 ago when when Yash got here for the first time 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.000 and seeing them when we were in the locker room 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:39.840 talking to some of the rookies and I'm like, holy cow, 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.120 that kid is really big. And then now you see 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:45.040 you know, Caleb, and especially him putting himself into shape 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.960 he was out at the end of last season. The 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.200 Packers feel like they obviously feel like they can coach 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.680 pad level because they are getting some skyscrapers at those 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:53.680 tackle positions. 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.920 Yeah, definitely, that's it's it's going to be interesting to 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:58.880 see when it comes to, you know, trying to follow 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.520 the depth chart through now. I mean, we'll obviously watch 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.880 the depth chart during OTAs, but it becomes a little 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.520 bit more serious in training camp and when you're looking 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.360 at those preseason games in terms of you know, at 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:11.680 what stage are our guys getting reps? Are they in 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.040 there with the first unit, the second unit, you know, 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.120 all of all that kind of stuff. The other thing 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.480 I thought that was interesting, and this is something that 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:23.360 will be maybe a thread worth following through the course 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.280 of this first season with Jordan Love as the starting quarterback. 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.720 Is Is Stenovich made a really interesting comment with regard 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:33.800 to two tight end sets, which is also called twelve personnel, 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:38.280 the one two one being one running back, two tight ends, 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.280 so that it's called twelve personnel. When you have two 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:46.360 tight ends on the field, that sometimes that can force 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:51.120 defenses to essentially play their base defense because the offense 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.680 has five offensive linemen and two tight ends out there. 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.400 So you can't get quite as creative with you know, 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:02.560 extra defensive backs or different you know, straight pass rush packages, 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:04.440 you know, things like that. You have to stick with 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.400 the base defense and then you have to react. And 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.800 when a defense has to stick with its with its 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.920 base personnel, sometimes that can simplify the reads. That can 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.040 that can because it can limit the options of what 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.680 the defense might do in a given situation. That can 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.160 that can break things down a little bit easier for 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.800 a young quarterback. Now the Packers, they're going into this 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:31.080 now with Josiah Deguara, Tyler Davis, and the two draft 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.760 picks as the top four tight ends on the depth 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.680 chart right now. Not a whole lot of experience there. 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.360 I mean, Josiah Deguara has has probably played more tight 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:42.840 end in regular season games than any of them, and 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.920 he hasn't necessarily been a you know, seven hundred and 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.560 fifty nine hundred and fifty snap kind of guy. So 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.200 there's a lot to there's a lot to sword out 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.400 there at tight end. But that comment about wanting, you know, 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.400 to potentially get two tight ends on the field and 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.200 then see how the defense reacts and put Jordan Love 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.919 in that position, I found that very interesting and it 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.800 will be, uh, it'll be worth following to see if 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:11.280 the Packers can execute that the way they seem to 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.359 want to for their young starting quarterback. 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.560 Yeah. And the number one thing too to follow with 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.240 that is it kind of helps you remember even some 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.159 of the stuff they did with Mercedes Lewis. And as 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.280 much as I love Sades, it's not like he was 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.600 just completely like shaking guys out of their boots, you know, 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.960 on routes and cuts. I mean, it was some of 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.160 the stuff that they were disguising with him. Teams would 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:30.800 take him for granted and they would be able to 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.640 get some touchdown opportunities off of it, some big play opportunities, 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:35.880 just for the fact that you know, he sometimes would 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:37.760 leak out if you try to sell too quickly on 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.280 the run. That's the beauty of it, if you know 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:45.320 Luke Musgrave and also Tucker Craft can can master that. 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.880 Aspect of the blocking game is that now everything when 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.719 you think about run action and things of that nature, 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.000 it all is out there for them. Who's blocking, who's 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:58.120 who's going out for pass routes, Where is Josiah Deguara 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.560 in the alignments? If they do some three tight end work. 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.439 There are so many different ways to build things. And 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.600 when you talk about having a young receiving core, yeah, 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.600 I mean the Packers hope that, you know, Jaden Reid 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.480 is ready right off the bat. They hope that Samori 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.760 two ray you know, makes a big jump. But it 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.399 could be a situation too where they run more traditional 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.639 two receiver looks. Maybe you're not seeing as much of 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:21.400 the four, you know, receiver spreads with Robert Tunyan out there, 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.399 that's the that's sort of the wild card in this. 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.679 I just feel like when you are young, when you 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.720 don't know maybe what you do best, yet your best 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.520 card to play is going to be being able to 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:35.800 mix things up. And I look at this depth chart 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.840 both at receiver and tight end and even to a 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.120 certain extent the running backs with what you know AJ 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.719 Dillon and Aaron Jones can do as pass catchers. Is 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.360 giving Matt Lafleur a full entree of what he could 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.359 potentially attack a defense with this season. 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:52.800 Yeah, and moving on with regard to to special teams, 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:54.560 I just have I just have to touch on this 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.240 because it made me smile when we heard when we 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.960 heard from Rich Pasaci. And we've talked on previous shows 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:04.120 about this whole connection obviously with Bisaccia and Daniel Carlson, 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.199 who's the older brother of Andres Carlson, the kicker from 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:11.480 Auburn the Packers drafted in the sixth round. The connection 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:16.520 actually goes all the way back to the recruiting visit 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:21.080 to the Carlson home when Daniel Carlson was looking to 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:25.600 get a college scholarship and Rich Bisaccio he called it, 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:27.720 he had a cup of coffee with Auburn. He wasn't 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.119 working there very long, but he happened to be the 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.679