1 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford. He is my 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you from different 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: locations here at lambeau Field and Wes, let's just dive 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: right into it. As members of the media, we are 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: getting access to the Packers assistant coaches on various days 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: throughout this week, with OTAs beginning next week. And I 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: want to start right away with the story that you 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: wrote after the media availability on Tuesday of the Packers 10 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: coordinators and specifically with regard to Joe Berry and the 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: Packers defense, because we talked on a previous show when 12 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: Kenny Clark had spoken to the media on the same 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: day that Aaron Jones and Jordan Love did. We talked 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: about how Kenny Clark was not shying away from the 15 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: expectations that there will be for this Packers defense with 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: adding another first round pick to now there will be 17 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: eight first round picks first round draft picks for the 18 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: Packers on that side of the ball, and the fact 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: that the defense did not live up to for the 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: first half three quarters of the season last year, did 21 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: not live up to the expectations that everyone had. Those 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: expectations are back in place. Kenny Clark was not backing 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: down from them. Joe Barry was not backing down from 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: them either. 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: No. I think that's the idea here for the Packers 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: defense is that they understand what the expectations are going 27 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: to be this season and in how high that they're 28 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 2: going to have to rise to. The one thing that 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: was interesting, we had this little bit of an I 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: don't want to call it an awkward exchange, but you know, 31 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: Mark Daniels wanted to play some some word play stuff, 32 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: and I don't think Joe was quite on the same 33 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: wavelength with them at the press conference, but it ended 34 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 2: up eliciting a pretty good quote though from Joe Barry 35 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: and talking about, you know, it doesn't matter if they 36 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: have eight first round picks or the entire defense is 37 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: seventh rounders. The expectations are always going to be high 38 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: in Green Bay and they understand that. So last year 39 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: wasn't what the Packers wanted defensively. It took too long 40 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: to get to where they wanted to be, and actually 41 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: I think a lot of it ended up being out 42 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: of necessity. The adjustments that they made. They lose Eric Stokes, 43 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: they lose Rashan Gary. You have to start trailing and 44 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: traveling jyr Alexander around the secondary. You have to push 45 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 2: Rasseul Douglas outside. And I think some of the concepts 46 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 2: that they worked inside worked for them better down the stretch. 47 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: That one stat I dug up Mike where the Packers 48 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: were at giving up one hundred and fifty four rushing 49 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 2: yards per game in the first twelve contests and then 50 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: only one hundred the last month of the season in December, 51 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: when you typically see more rushing offense become prevalent in 52 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: the league. I think that told you where they went. 53 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 2: And also getting back DeAndre Campbell down the stretch I 54 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: think helped as well. So coming out this year, it's 55 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: all about getting off to a faster start. It's all 56 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: about setting a quicker tempo, and the Packers need to 57 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: be able to do that because now you don't have 58 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, you don't have that experience on the offensive 59 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: side of the ball. You're going to have a unit 60 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: that you expect to be better at the end of 61 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: the season. But right out of the gate, the one 62 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: known commodity for this football team is its defense and 63 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: it needs to play to that level. 64 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought Joe Berry very much reiterated a 65 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: discussion that we had had. Maybe it was a couple 66 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. I can't remember for sure if it 67 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: was pre draft or post draft, but a discussion we 68 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: had had with regard to the defense, where the fans 69 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: are always asking, well, is this going to be a 70 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: top five or a top ten defense? And that's not 71 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: how That's not really what's important. What's important when you 72 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: look back at last year is how much the defense 73 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: went through this roller coaster, this peaks and valleys of 74 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: some really good play and then things would really fall 75 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: off and then they would rise back up again. And 76 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,839 Speaker 1: Joe Berry talked about finding a level of consistency. There's 77 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: no such thing as, as you know, saying, Okay, every 78 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: single game, the Packers are going to give up seventeen 79 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: points and that's it. Like, that's not how it works. 80 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: That's not what's meant by consistency. But it's about smoothing 81 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: out those peaks and valleys in the play, finding a 82 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: level of play that that can be relied upon, that 83 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: that can can be more consistent. Because the other two 84 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: phases of this team, the offense and the special teams 85 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: are gonna need something to rely on from the defense. 86 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: And I thought that was really the crux of Joe 87 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: Berry's message, that you know, they went back looking at 88 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: everything in terms of how the defense played last year 89 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: and they are done now looking in the rearview mirror. 90 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: It's about looking for but when they did study it 91 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: earlier in the offseason, it was about, yeah, there were 92 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: some stretches of really really good defensive play, but then 93 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't sustainable. And then when things fell off, they 94 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: fell off considerably, and and those those peaks and valleys 95 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: need to be smoothed out. And that's what Joe Berry, 96 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: all of his assistants, the leaders on the defense, the 97 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: Kenny Clarks and the Preston Smiths and the Rashaun Garys 98 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: when he's back jyr Alexander, that's what those guys have 99 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: to figure out, is to smooth things out with this 100 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: group so that everybody knows what they can count on well. 101 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 2: And I think a good example that too, Mike, was 102 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 2: that game in Philadelphia, because we all knew that challenge 103 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: it was going to be trying to stop Jalen Hurts 104 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: in that offense, and then he comes right out of 105 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: the gate and has like one hundred and thirty one 106 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 2: rushing yards in the first quarter. They give a five 107 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 2: hundred for the game, forty points a season high in 108 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: that matchup, and yet they still almost found a way 109 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: to claw themselves back into it late with Jordan Love 110 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 2: at quarterback. So probably the best example of defense I 111 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 2: think in my mind is what Aaron Glenn did with 112 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: Detroit last season. Detroit statistically was not a good unit, 113 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: but if you watch them against the Packers both at 114 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 2: Ford Field and then in that finale at lambeau Field, 115 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: you wouldn't have known that they put together an effort 116 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: to stop Aaron Rodgers in this offense. That's where the Packers' 117 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 2: defense needs to get to. The teams that you want 118 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: to dominate, put together a strong performance, give you guys 119 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 2: a chance. But when you play a team that maybe 120 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: you're not supposed to show up well against, maybe a 121 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 2: team like in Kansas City and December, how do you 122 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 2: respond I felt down the stretch, the Packers responded a 123 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: lot better to that, looking at that performance they had 124 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: on Rismas Day against Miami. Obviously, the job they did 125 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: against Minnesota a week later. That's going to be the 126 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 2: key for them, As you mentioned, getting things even and 127 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: also understanding situationally. The Packers have to do a better 128 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: job this year the red zone. They actually were pretty 129 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: good on third downs last year, but four downs they 130 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 2: were like thirty twenty third in the league. I think 131 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: it was being able to win situationally. Stopping the run 132 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: is going to be key, especially early on when you 133 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: have to replace Dean Lowry and also Jaron Reid. It's 134 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: so many different things, Mike, It's all these different organisms 135 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: coming into the same sort of body of a season 136 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: that they have to get going in the right direction 137 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: because consistently, that's probably what was the biggest piece that 138 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: was missing for them in twenty twenty two. 139 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I thought it was interesting in regards to 140 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: that consistency message because that is essentially the same message 141 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: that's being delivered in terms of what the Packers are 142 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: looking for in what appears to be a wide open 143 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: competition at safety for the starting job. Alongside Darnell Savage, 144 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: the Packers they've signed two free agents to various more 145 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: Jonathan Owens. You have Rudy Ford coming back, you have 146 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: a seventh round draft pick in Anthony Johnson Junior. You 147 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of guys that are gonna be in 148 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: the mix for that starting spot at safety, and it 149 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: seems like what they're looking for is a consistent, you know, 150 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: even even keel steady performer. Not coincidentally, they're looking to 151 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: replace Adrian Amos, and that's exactly what he was right like, 152 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: they they don't want to take a step back there, 153 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: and obviously we know part of the reason that Adrian 154 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: Amos isn't back is the Packers have some salary cap 155 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: considerations and Adrian Amos's price is going to be higher 156 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: than some of these other free agents that they've signed, 157 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: so they're they're up against it there. But they're looking 158 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: to replace Adrian Amos with a very very similar player, 159 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: a player that can be relied upon, who can make 160 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: the calls, who's going to get people in the right position. 161 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: And it's going to take all of OTA's, all of 162 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: training camp, all the preseason to sort this out because 163 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: when the question was asked, I believe it was asked 164 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: of Greg Williams, the new defensive passing game coordinator, when 165 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: do you need to know who the other starting safety is? 166 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: And he was like, well, when do we go to 167 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: Chicago for Week one? I mean that's they just have 168 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: to get it figured out by then. But they will 169 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: use all the time necessary to get it figured out 170 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: because that is really the one true starting spot that 171 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: is open as this offseason continues. 172 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: Well, and you have to find those answers too, because 173 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: I don't want to, you know, put it through anybody's 174 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 2: name under the bus. But I think back to twenty 175 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: twelve when they transitioned away from you know, Charles Woodson. 176 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 2: They had John McMillan, m D. Jennings, and I give 177 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: my credit to both of those guys for the job 178 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: they did. But it just you can tell when you 179 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 2: don't have that position filled on the back end, kind 180 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: of the domino effect it can have on things. The 181 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: next year, obviously, Mike Hyde transitioned back. They drafted Haja 182 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: Clinton Dixon the first round. The difference here with what 183 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: the Packers are doing is it's a very veteran Leyden Garup. 184 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: I mean, Rudy Ford has started games in this league. 185 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: Jonathan Owens played nine hundred and sixty snaps last year, 186 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: started all seventeen games, one hundred and twenty five tackles 187 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 2: for the Houston Texans last season. They have guys that 188 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 2: they can, you know, potentially look towards ta various more. 189 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: Various more started I believe it was started eight games 190 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: in the COVID season in yes, twenty twenty for the 191 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: forty nine ers, and then in twenty twenty one he 192 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,479 Speaker 1: ends up blowing out his his achilles in the offseason 193 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: or during training camp, I can't remember which, but ends 194 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: up missing all of twenty twenty one when he was 195 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: coming off of a season when he had started half 196 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: the game. So this is this is a young player 197 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: who still maybe hasn't quite necessarily reached his peak in 198 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,599 Speaker 1: the NFL either in athletically. 199 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: I mean a lot of potential there. This is a 200 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: former third round pick for the San Francisco forty nine ers. 201 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: So and then you also got guys like in this 202 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: games coming back too. There are so many different players 203 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: that could potentially compete for that. But before we close 204 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 2: out the point, Mike, I just want to say, ultimately, 205 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: the guy that the Packers are going to be looking 206 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: towards the most though, is Darnell Savage. He's the guy 207 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 2: that is the fifth year veteran. Now he's the former 208 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: first round pick Darnell Savage is going to be put 209 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: in a place to really thrive this season. He's going 210 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: to be the man on the back end. He's going 211 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: to be one of the big communicators for them. I 212 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: know last year there were some peaks and valleys to that. 213 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: He was in the lineup, he was out of the lineup, 214 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: he was in the slot, he was on the back end. 215 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 2: This offseason, it's going to be the Darnell Savage show there. 216 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: And whoever it is that ends up lining up next 217 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 2: to him, creating that team work together, creating that that 218 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 2: camaraderie is going to be critical. I'm very interested to 219 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 2: see what training camp looks like and obviously seeing how 220 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: they take the approach to with the preseason. Yeah. 221 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, I want to get to some of the 222 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: other coaches we heard from as well. But first, a 223 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: little bit of sponsor business. 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A couple 233 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: of things with Stenovich that really stood out to me. 234 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: One he talked about how there is going to be 235 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: competition on the offensive line through this offseason, through training camp. 236 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: He mentioned, you know, right tackle and right guard and 237 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: possibly center, competition developing there at those spots. So where 238 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: the Packers ended last season with Josh Myers at center, 239 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: John Runyon at right guard, Yosh Niemen at right tackle, 240 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: that's not necessarily how things are going to look in 241 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: Week one because there's a young fourth round draft pick 242 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: from a year ago named Zach Tom out of Wake Forest. 243 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: Who is who's going to challenge for starting spot on 244 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: this offensive line. We're just not sure yet exactly maybe 245 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: which spot he's going to make the strongest push. 246 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Tom is the number one guy I have my 247 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: eye on this season because for that very reason, Mike, 248 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: I mean, it is not easy to come in and 249 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: play right away as a rookie in the National Football 250 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: League on the offensive line. You and I have seen 251 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: it time and time again. Tom not only did that, 252 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 2: he did it at a moment's notice. He did it 253 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: at various different positions that game against Washington. That reminds me. 254 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: I said this to you when we were in the 255 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 2: press box at FedEx State at FedEx Field. It reminded 256 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: me of what J. C. Tredder did. Thinking back into 257 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen when they needed him to play left tackle. 258 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: He hadn't been a left tackle since college, but yet 259 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: he rose up to that and he played to that level. Zach. 260 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: Tom proved a lot of things to me, and I 261 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: think more than anything, what he showed was given a 262 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: full offseason. We haven't seen Zach. We don't know what 263 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: he looks like, we don't know how all the stuff 264 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: went for him. But given a full offseason to continue 265 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: to grow, I just expect him to compete for a 266 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: starting spots and honestly, when Week one comes around, I 267 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: would not be surprised at all to see him in 268 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: the lineup because I think he can compete at right guard. 269 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: I think he can compete at right tackle. You know, 270 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 2: Yash Naimen's back on the tender, but still I think 271 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: that's going to be a healthy competition, and as Stenovich said, 272 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: it could even be at center, you know, with Josh Myers. 273 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: I mean, they want to put together the best five possible. 274 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: And at this time the only thing that is for 275 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: certain is that you're going to have a five time 276 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: All Pro left tackle and David Baktiari and a two 277 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: time Pro Bowl left guard in Elton Jenkins, and then 278 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: kind of the rest is to be determined. But I 279 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: love the fact I said this time and time again, 280 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: draft one in the first round if you feel like 281 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: there's a big ten year starter there. If there's not, 282 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: you got twelve guys coming back, Mike, give those guys 283 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: an opportunity to perform and see what they can do. Yeah. 284 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And the Packers have a lot of guys quite 285 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: frankly at that played a lot of tackle in college. 286 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: You know, Rashid Walker was a seventh round draft pick. 287 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: Last year, you picked up Luke Tanuda, who was I 288 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: forget exactly which team had draft to him, Buffalo, six 289 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: round Buffalo, that's right, a sixth round pick there for 290 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: the Bills. So those those guys, you know, maybe they're 291 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, going to try to push things at right tackle. 292 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: But then you're also looking at You're looking at backup 293 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: spots right on both sides as far as left tackle 294 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: and right tackle. So there's gonna be a lot of 295 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: competition across that offensive line. Go ahead. 296 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say too, the size of these 297 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: guys to Nuda Caleb Jones at six foot nine Jones Jones. 298 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: Jones is the other one. Yeah. 299 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: I remember Mike and the off season program four years 300 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: ago when when Yash got here for the first time 301 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: and seeing them when we were in the locker room 302 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: talking to some of the rookies and I'm like, holy cow, 303 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: that kid is really big. And then now you see 304 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: you know, Caleb, and especially him putting himself into shape 305 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: he was out at the end of last season. The 306 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: Packers feel like they obviously feel like they can coach 307 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: pad level because they are getting some skyscrapers at those 308 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: tackle positions. 309 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, that's it's it's going to be interesting to 310 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: see when it comes to, you know, trying to follow 311 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: the depth chart through now. I mean, we'll obviously watch 312 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: the depth chart during OTAs, but it becomes a little 313 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: bit more serious in training camp and when you're looking 314 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: at those preseason games in terms of you know, at 315 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: what stage are our guys getting reps? Are they in 316 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: there with the first unit, the second unit, you know, 317 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: all of all that kind of stuff. The other thing 318 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting, and this is something that 319 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: will be maybe a thread worth following through the course 320 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: of this first season with Jordan Love as the starting quarterback. 321 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: Is Is Stenovich made a really interesting comment with regard 322 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: to two tight end sets, which is also called twelve personnel, 323 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: the one two one being one running back, two tight ends, 324 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: so that it's called twelve personnel. When you have two 325 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: tight ends on the field, that sometimes that can force 326 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: defenses to essentially play their base defense because the offense 327 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: has five offensive linemen and two tight ends out there. 328 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: So you can't get quite as creative with you know, 329 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: extra defensive backs or different you know, straight pass rush packages, 330 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: you know, things like that. You have to stick with 331 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: the base defense and then you have to react. And 332 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: when a defense has to stick with its with its 333 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: base personnel, sometimes that can simplify the reads. That can 334 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: that can because it can limit the options of what 335 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: the defense might do in a given situation. That can 336 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: that can break things down a little bit easier for 337 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: a young quarterback. Now the Packers, they're going into this 338 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: now with Josiah Deguara, Tyler Davis, and the two draft 339 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: picks as the top four tight ends on the depth 340 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: chart right now. Not a whole lot of experience there. 341 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Josiah Deguara has has probably played more tight 342 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: end in regular season games than any of them, and 343 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: he hasn't necessarily been a you know, seven hundred and 344 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: fifty nine hundred and fifty snap kind of guy. So 345 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot to there's a lot to sword out 346 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: there at tight end. But that comment about wanting, you know, 347 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: to potentially get two tight ends on the field and 348 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: then see how the defense reacts and put Jordan Love 349 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: in that position, I found that very interesting and it 350 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: will be, uh, it'll be worth following to see if 351 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: the Packers can execute that the way they seem to 352 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: want to for their young starting quarterback. 353 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. And the number one thing too to follow with 354 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: that is it kind of helps you remember even some 355 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: of the stuff they did with Mercedes Lewis. And as 356 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: much as I love Sades, it's not like he was 357 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: just completely like shaking guys out of their boots, you know, 358 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 2: on routes and cuts. I mean, it was some of 359 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 2: the stuff that they were disguising with him. Teams would 360 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: take him for granted and they would be able to 361 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 2: get some touchdown opportunities off of it, some big play opportunities, 362 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 2: just for the fact that you know, he sometimes would 363 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 2: leak out if you try to sell too quickly on 364 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: the run. That's the beauty of it, if you know 365 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: Luke Musgrave and also Tucker Craft can can master that. 366 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 2: Aspect of the blocking game is that now everything when 367 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,719 Speaker 2: you think about run action and things of that nature, 368 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: it all is out there for them. Who's blocking, who's 369 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 2: who's going out for pass routes, Where is Josiah Deguara 370 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: in the alignments? If they do some three tight end work. 371 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 2: There are so many different ways to build things. And 372 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: when you talk about having a young receiving core, yeah, 373 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: I mean the Packers hope that, you know, Jaden Reid 374 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: is ready right off the bat. They hope that Samori 375 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: two ray you know, makes a big jump. But it 376 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 2: could be a situation too where they run more traditional 377 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 2: two receiver looks. Maybe you're not seeing as much of 378 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 2: the four, you know, receiver spreads with Robert Tunyan out there, 379 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 2: that's the that's sort of the wild card in this. 380 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 2: I just feel like when you are young, when you 381 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: don't know maybe what you do best, yet your best 382 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: card to play is going to be being able to 383 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: mix things up. And I look at this depth chart 384 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: both at receiver and tight end and even to a 385 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 2: certain extent the running backs with what you know AJ 386 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,719 Speaker 2: Dillon and Aaron Jones can do as pass catchers. Is 387 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 2: giving Matt Lafleur a full entree of what he could 388 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 2: potentially attack a defense with this season. 389 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and moving on with regard to to special teams, 390 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: I just have I just have to touch on this 391 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: because it made me smile when we heard when we 392 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: heard from Rich Pasaci. And we've talked on previous shows 393 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: about this whole connection obviously with Bisaccia and Daniel Carlson, 394 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: who's the older brother of Andres Carlson, the kicker from 395 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: Auburn the Packers drafted in the sixth round. The connection 396 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: actually goes all the way back to the recruiting visit 397 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: to the Carlson home when Daniel Carlson was looking to 398 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: get a college scholarship and Rich Bisaccio he called it, 399 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: he had a cup of coffee with Auburn. He wasn't 400 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: working there very long, but he happened to be the 401 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: guy to do the home visit to the Carlson household 402 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: and that's when he actually first met Anders Carlson. And 403 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: we're not even sure if Anders necessarily remembers that he 404 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: might have just been playing to follow that, Yeah, might 405 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: have just been playing video games that night of the 406 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: of the visit. But the reason I bring it up 407 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: is I thought it was I thought it was a 408 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: pretty entertaining little story. But it also just illustrates sometimes 409 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: how small a world this, this this world of highlight football, 410 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: you know, Division one and into the NFL, How small 411 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: a world it can be that here, however, many moons ago, 412 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: that that Rich Bisacci was actually in Anders Carlson's house 413 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: when Anders Carlson was you know, a teenager, you know, 414 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,719 Speaker 1: a young teenager. And now that's the kicker that the 415 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: Packers drafted in the sixth round and is a guy 416 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: they're going to look at to potentially replace the franchisees 417 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: all time leading scorer. 418 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, how hilarious is that too? I mean, you look 419 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 2: at Auburn, they got a whole decade of Carlson's there, 420 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: you know, with what Daniel did, and then I believe 421 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong here. I think Anders was 422 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 2: a red shirt during Daniel's senior season. There is all 423 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 2: American seasons. So those guys, both six foot six, both 424 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: over two hundred pounds. I mean, they are true athletes. 425 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: And as Rich Bassaci talked about, you know, their dad 426 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: a really good tennis player as well that had some 427 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 2: length and athleticism to them. That that's the interesting aspect 428 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 2: of this when you get those long levered specialists, there's 429 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 2: a lot of natural power there. And I think the 430 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: other thing to look up too, and we've talked about 431 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: it numerous times now, but when Daniel Carlson comes out 432 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 2: of the gate, things don't necessarily go well for him 433 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: in Minnesota. Obviously had a very very forgettable game here 434 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 2: at Lambellfield that ultimately led to him landing getting cut 435 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: by the Vikings and landing with the Raiders. It was 436 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 2: understanding the bumps that are going to come along with 437 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 2: having a rookie, and Rich Bassacia is embracing that he 438 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 2: understands it, and he's also said, I mean, it really 439 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 2: is about helping walk those guys through that and helping 440 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: them make the corrections too so many times. And I'm 441 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: not saying this has necessarily been a big problem in 442 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 2: Green Bay, but I know in the National Football League 443 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: it can be like this. You know, special teams coordinators 444 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 2: are so much about the coverages and the return teams 445 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: and you're thinking of the big eleven that sometimes they 446 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 2: can leave the specialists on an island of their own. 447 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: The one thing I've learned about Basachi and also Byron 448 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 2: Storer is how hands on they are. Last year with 449 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: Jack Coco, Byron Storer was there with Coco from the 450 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 2: very beginning in until the very end, and they're going 451 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: to do the same thing now. Would be our hatcher here. Obviously, 452 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: as we talked about before, Matt Orzick has been in 453 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 2: the league now for a number of years. They are 454 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: building this next specialist group together, and Andres Carlson and 455 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: how he grows into that this season is gonna be 456 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: a big part of it. Certainly have to tip your 457 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: hat to to Parker White is also on this roster. 458 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: He's in that competition as well. But as the Packers 459 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 2: look to take that next step here potentially without Mason Crosby, 460 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: although as Bisachi said, you never know those doors stay open. 461 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: You do want to give Anders an opportunity to make 462 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 2: this position his own, show that he can do it 463 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 2: at this level. And when you invest a sixth round 464 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: pick into a guy, much like the Packers did with 465 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: Mason in two thousand and seven, you want to be 466 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: able to see his true potential reveal itself. Yeah. 467 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think that that's going to be another storyline 468 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,239 Speaker 1: to follow all through OTAs and training camp leading up 469 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: to Week one. One last thing I want to touch 470 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: on before we go. I mentioned the new defensive passing 471 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: game coordinator earlier, Greg Williams. He's replacing Jerry Gray who 472 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: left for a position with the Atlanta Falcons. And you 473 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: had brought this up or had mentioned it in the 474 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: five things to Know about Greg Williams that was posted 475 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: on our website when he was hired. And it's the 476 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: story of how his coaching career actually got started. And 477 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: it's quite a story, and I'll let you tell the 478 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: cliffs notes version of it. 479 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: How many times do you go out of a mall 480 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 2: or out of some kind of event and you see 481 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,959 Speaker 2: the flyers on your windshield, like, gosh darn it, now, 482 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: I got to actually take this thing off, or in 483 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 2: a couple occasions, I even drove away with those things 484 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 2: without noticing it. Well, that's what happened with Greg Williams 485 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 2: while he was playing in the Arena Football League a 486 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: long long time ago. They actually had a like basically 487 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: just to put out some flyers for coaches and trying 488 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: to build up some youth programs, and he decided, hey, 489 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: you know what might be a good opportunity for me. 490 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: He absolutely fell in love with it, understood that this 491 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 2: was probably the end of his athletic career individually, and 492 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 2: started to look at the coaching aspect of things. He 493 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: ended up taking advantage of that opportunity, and it was 494 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 2: sort of his foot into the door. I mean, obviously 495 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: a lot of quality control jobs and things that led 496 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 2: him eventually down the line. But the fact that he 497 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: ended up this all started for him in Arizona when 498 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: I believe he was with the Arizona Rattlers. The fact 499 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: that he ended up then being the cornerbacks coach of 500 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, I think is the coolest aspect of 501 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 2: that story too. Starting off with a flyer looking for 502 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 2: people to coach, I forgot what the age level was 503 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: if it was like middle school, but looking. 504 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: At it, he said, he said it was. He said 505 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: it was like nine and ten year olds. It was 506 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: young people like yeah, nine and ten year olds in 507 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: like a YMCA basketball league. Now most of us, you know, 508 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: we get involved in coaching in that regard because our 509 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: kids are in it, right. So, like, you sign up 510 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: to be an assistant coach and you're there and you 511 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: do your part to help out the program. He didn't, 512 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: He didn't have kids. He was he was a guy 513 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: who was just, you know, figure trying to figure out 514 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: what his next phase of life was going to be 515 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: as playing football was wrapping up. So he decides, okay, 516 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: I'll go coach a bunch of nine and ten year 517 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: olds in basketball, and they made it to the championship game. 518 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: He said, they ended up losing. They ended up losing 519 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: the championship. But obviously, you know, right out of the gate, 520 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: he had some he had some coaching prowess there, and 521 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: and you know it went from there. I absolutely love 522 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: the story. I think it's I think it's it's tremendous 523 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: and it'll be it'll be fun to get to know 524 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: him here while he's coaching in Green Bay. 525 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: And a cool thing for him to the NFL Accelerator 526 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: Program in Minneapolis. He's going to be representing the Packers 527 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 2: at that, a venture that was put together by the 528 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: league trying to promote some minority coaching candidates into potentially 529 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 2: being able to grow their careers and potentially also head 530 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 2: coaching opportunities DOWNLNE. He'll get that opportunity. I really enjoyed 531 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: our interaction with Greg Williams. I think it lasted like 532 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: ten twelve minutes whatever it was first time we had 533 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 2: a chance to talk to him. And now is going 534 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: to be the individual working with Jyry, Alexander Rasul, Douglass 535 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 2: and the rest of that room now going into twenty 536 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 2: twenty three. 537 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and one of the guys figuring out along with 538 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: Ryan Downer, the defensive backs coach, along with Joe Berry, 539 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: figuring out that that safety competition that we talked about 540 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: and who's going to who's going to line up where 541 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: and uh and uh. That'll be one of the big 542 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: storylines here throughout the spring and summer. So with that, 543 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: we will call it a wrap on this edition of 544 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our coverage 545 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: of the team. It's continuing every day. We have content 546 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: for you on packers dot com for Wes, I am Mike. 547 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in everybody. We will see you 548 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: next time.