WEBVTT - Selects: Why is Venice so wet?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everyone, It's Charles W. Chuck Brian here on a

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<v Speaker 1>lovely Saturday in Atlanta, Georgia, co host of the Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>You Should Know podcast, bringing you with this Saturday Selects

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<v Speaker 1>episode all the way back from June. Why is Venice

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<v Speaker 1>so wet? The answer coming up right now. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff you Should Know, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Bryant Nols with us again and it's another morning edition. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we got an email. I think we had our last

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<v Speaker 1>morning thing not session, not too long ago, and someone

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<v Speaker 1>wrote in and said, please don't do that again. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think it was that bad. You guys are clearly

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<v Speaker 1>like really tired and not the same. So what I

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<v Speaker 1>say is, if you have a choice, is save this

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<v Speaker 1>one the morning and just pretend like where your local

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<v Speaker 1>MPR station or a cup of Joe like Josh is drinking. Yea,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah it smells so good, and let's let's do

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<v Speaker 1>this morning style. Let's do it man, um, let's do

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<v Speaker 1>this more style in Italian. Yeah, this is gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a fan favorite, I predict because there's some Italian pronunciations

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm sure you will do for everybody, Right, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do with my best. That was a good, good

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<v Speaker 1>little taste of it. Yes, that's one of the accents

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<v Speaker 1>you can have a great time with without people saying

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<v Speaker 1>that you're offensive. That's a T shirt. Yeah, so Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>you heard about them sea levels yeahs and fallen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>due to climate change, that's what some saying. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>climate change. To the big bone of contention is whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's human cause, right or anthropogenic? Ye? Uh. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>is there are there. It is undeniable that see levels

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<v Speaker 1>are rising rate of about three millimeters a year, which

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound like much, But buddy, if you live for

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand years, you'd see the sea levels rise by

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<v Speaker 1>three meters, which is almost ten ft in America. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not the biggest deal in some parts of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Big deal in Venice. Yeah. And you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>waiting a thousand years to watch it rise three ms

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<v Speaker 1>that's the current rate of sea level rise, it could

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<v Speaker 1>speed up tremendously. And while three millimeters might not sound

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<v Speaker 1>that much to you out in the Rockies, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's nice and dry there in the middle of the Mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all stoned, right, Yeah, because it's legal there. Who cares.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're in a place like um, the Maldives, you're saying, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>my country is probably not going to exist in the

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<v Speaker 1>next like twenty years. If you're in New Orleans worried

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<v Speaker 1>about the same thing. And a little town known as Venice,

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<v Speaker 1>Italy is facing the same problem. It has been for

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<v Speaker 1>a very long time. And you say little town, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it is getting smaller, not only physically, but the population

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<v Speaker 1>because Venice is such a mess, has declined down to

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<v Speaker 1>about sixty people now. Yeah, over the years from like

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred and eighty. Yes, because people are tired of

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<v Speaker 1>getting wet. They are they used to get wet. Um, say,

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<v Speaker 1>back in nine they would get wet about ten times

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<v Speaker 1>a year due to flooding. They could expect ten noteworthy

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<v Speaker 1>floods a year. And when we say not worthy floods,

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<v Speaker 1>we mean like the squares in the throughout the city

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<v Speaker 1>are flooded up to maybe your knees, kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>the whole ground floor of Venice. Yeah, it gets flooded

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<v Speaker 1>like you're slogging around, which I mean sounds kind of

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<v Speaker 1>fun when you're a kid, but it's not that fun, right,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you're an adult who maybe a germophobe. Because

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<v Speaker 1>Venice has an antiquated sewer system that's antiquated a is

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<v Speaker 1>uh the perfect word. Yeah. By antiquated, we mean all

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<v Speaker 1>of the um sewer pipes go right out into the canals,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have along the um along the years added

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<v Speaker 1>like septic tanks to treat the stuff first. But not

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<v Speaker 1>everybody has those um and sometimes they get backed up too.

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<v Speaker 1>But the raw sewage or septically treated sewage in Venice

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<v Speaker 1>goes into those canals that you float around in um boats.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you're swimming around in the flood like a tourist,

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<v Speaker 1>you're swimming around in fecal material. The tours get in

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<v Speaker 1>that water. There's a picture of it um on a

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<v Speaker 1>oh Man, I can't remember. I think like a Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 1>article about Venice or maybe wired. But it's like, if

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<v Speaker 1>you know about Venice, you'll think these people are crazy

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<v Speaker 1>for swimming in this floodwater. And it shows a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of tourists like swimming in a flood in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the square um a San Marco, the San Marco Square. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And now that you know it's it's gross to see.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, it tastes briny and sort of om me right,

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<v Speaker 1>why are my lips swollen? Yeah, it's uh, it's that's

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<v Speaker 1>one of many many problems facing Venice right now, an

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<v Speaker 1>antiquated sewer system, and a lot of the problems are

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<v Speaker 1>unique just because of the city and how it's created. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about this because Venice is not something I

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<v Speaker 1>knew a ton about. I knew it was on the water.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew it was sinking. Shout out by the way

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<v Speaker 1>to Venice is sinking Athens band and stuff. You should

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<v Speaker 1>know fans. Um, well, then I like them already, Yes, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you know those guys. He does, in fact, says Nold

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<v Speaker 1>talks Jerry doesn't like. Oh yeah, they're great. He launches

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<v Speaker 1>into like a five minute discourse. Uh So, I knew

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about Venice, very little though I've never

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<v Speaker 1>been there. But when I watched this awesome video that

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<v Speaker 1>Josh found, yeah, um, we should go ahead and plug

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<v Speaker 1>it because it's just super cool. Yeah, it's called um

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<v Speaker 1>Venice backstage period. How does Venice work? And it is

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<v Speaker 1>created by the Insula SPA, which is I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>production arm of the city of Venice. Yeah. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a locally produced video about Venice, but it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most fascinating, like eighteen minute videos I've ever seen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they pack a lot of learning into that

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen minutes. Um. So if you don't know much about Venice,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine if you do know something about New York City,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine like the Greenwich Village. Uh. And I use Greenwich

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<v Speaker 1>Village because it's not on like the direct like north

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<v Speaker 1>south east west grid. They got all those crazy diagonal streets.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine if it's so hot right now because yeah, true. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine Greenwich Village if every block was an island. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's essentially what Venice is, right. It is a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty four tiny little islands I'll pack together. And

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<v Speaker 1>instead of streets, you have water, a hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 1>three canals and it's all connected by little foot bridges

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<v Speaker 1>and real bridges. Uh and yes, canals by boat. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's crazy when you've never even seen like

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<v Speaker 1>the big zoom in from above bird's eye view of

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<v Speaker 1>what Venice looks like. And I was like, that's what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on. Yeah, it's crazy because I mean when especially

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<v Speaker 1>when you're in the city, like you're walking over canals,

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<v Speaker 1>but you don't give too much thought to him. You're

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<v Speaker 1>just like, oh, that's so quaint. You're almost thinking like

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<v Speaker 1>they dug that out on purpose or something to get tourists.

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<v Speaker 1>Now those are necessity. It's it's odd. It was an

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<v Speaker 1>odd and different way for a city to form. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't start from a city center and grow out. Each

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<v Speaker 1>little block in section was its own little thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of its own little municipality. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>the reason that these people set up shop hundreds and

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of years ago on these islands was for for protection.

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<v Speaker 1>Venice was a very well protected municipality or cluster of municipalities. Right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It sits in a lagoon, and there are three water

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<v Speaker 1>ways that flow water in and out every day twice

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<v Speaker 1>a day. With the tides. Yeah, the Adriatic flows in

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<v Speaker 1>um to the lagoon and uh brings it out, brings

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<v Speaker 1>the water back out at low tide, right yeah, high tide,

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<v Speaker 1>it brings water in. Low tide, it takes the water out,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why they're not that worried about their sewage

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<v Speaker 1>going into the canals because because the the water comes

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<v Speaker 1>in and kind of brings all the trash out to

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<v Speaker 1>the sea and then no one sees it. So like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a self a flushing system. Yeah, well, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it pretty much is. So that's how they've been able

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<v Speaker 1>to put up with that for so long because twice

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<v Speaker 1>a day, Um, the waters exchange. There's there's a big

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<v Speaker 1>exchange to it. The problem is when that water comes in,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you include sea level rises and now up

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<v Speaker 1>to six times more flooding per year. Remember it was

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<v Speaker 1>like ten times a year. Now that's up to about

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<v Speaker 1>sixty floods. Um, you have kind of a problem. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got the you you have a sinking city essentially, is

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<v Speaker 1>what it's what it amounts to. Yeah, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's two things. It's the water rises in Venice itself.

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<v Speaker 1>The buildings are sinking. So those are two bad things

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<v Speaker 1>that go you know, that don't taste great together. The

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<v Speaker 1>reason that sinking is because they extract freshwater from beneath

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<v Speaker 1>the city, right, Yeah, so there's less of a solid

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<v Speaker 1>foundation now and um there's also drilling nearby, like for

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<v Speaker 1>natural gas or um fossil fuels and uh, it's also

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<v Speaker 1>just a roading. Well yeah, they've done a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things over the year. When you've got seawater lapping up

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<v Speaker 1>against well, let's step back, it's not just dirt and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>They realize pretty early on, we're not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>around unless we, in case, the entire city basically in brick, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>below the water line, and they came up with some

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<v Speaker 1>really ingenious construction methods that you can super engine in

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<v Speaker 1>that Venice back stage video on vimeo. Yeah, but even

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<v Speaker 1>though they've been ensconced the whole city and brick as

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<v Speaker 1>a foundation, that's was lapping salt water and it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these canals are busy. It's not just the gondolier singing

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<v Speaker 1>the song like there. If you see real footage and

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<v Speaker 1>that movie footage, they're packed with boats, motor boats, cruise ships,

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of stuff. And that action creates a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of movement in the water and it just whittles away

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<v Speaker 1>at those bricks little by little over the years, over

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds and hundreds of years, and then that's why Venice

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<v Speaker 1>is sinking. Um. Part of the other problem too, is

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<v Speaker 1>h sediment builds up in the canals. They're supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>close them down on a fairly regular basis. Yeah, basically

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<v Speaker 1>damn them up, drain them and then remove the sediment

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<v Speaker 1>and basically called the dead bodies. Yeah, Um, they stopped

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<v Speaker 1>doing that as frequently is before, and there there's been

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<v Speaker 1>a problem as a result. Plus, salt water permeates bricks.

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<v Speaker 1>Bricks are um semipermeable and they have capillary action, so

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<v Speaker 1>it draws saltwater up into the bricks, which I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as bricks are connected by mortar, that water,

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<v Speaker 1>that saltwater will rise all the way to the top

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<v Speaker 1>of a building. And when the water evaporates, the water

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<v Speaker 1>is gone, but the salt stays and it apparently increases

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<v Speaker 1>in volume tremendously and basically crushes the bricks from the

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<v Speaker 1>inside out. Yeah, and they've they've been taking steps and

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<v Speaker 1>measures a little by little in different ways over the

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<v Speaker 1>years to help. But they're they're kind of fighting a

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<v Speaker 1>losing battle. They're like inject resin into the between the

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<v Speaker 1>bricks and into the bricks with hydraulics a barrier. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're fighting, like I said, they're fighting mother

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<v Speaker 1>nature here, right. So finally they've said, let's turn our

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<v Speaker 1>attention from these um these piecemeal measures of you know

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<v Speaker 1>kind of of treating bricks and go to where the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is. Let's go to the doorstep of the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the Adriatic and the three inlets into the lagoon,

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<v Speaker 1>and they turn their attention to that. And now they've

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<v Speaker 1>come up with a pretty great plan for dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>rising tides and floodwaters. M all right, so there's a plan.

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<v Speaker 1>You know one thing on that video too quickly that

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<v Speaker 1>amazed me. You're talking about the building construction. Um, the

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<v Speaker 1>walls in Venice. The exterior walls have a tendency to

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<v Speaker 1>bow out at the top, and uh so they have

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<v Speaker 1>these these basically hooks that pull from the inside the

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<v Speaker 1>walls in and then those long metal hooks travel into

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<v Speaker 1>the floor where they spiked into the floor. So they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to pull it in there. And then the roofs

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<v Speaker 1>of the buildings in Venice aren't just like hey, let's

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<v Speaker 1>keep the water out there, literally like caps that locked

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<v Speaker 1>the walls in right at the top. So it's, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just like a weather protector roof. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>actually like if the roof wasn't there, the walls would

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<v Speaker 1>bow out, and then the interior walls don't even connect

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<v Speaker 1>rigidly to the exterior walls. Yeah, it allows some gives

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<v Speaker 1>so that they can move back and forth. Is the

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<v Speaker 1>wave action basically moves the walls. So, I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>we're saying Venice is a mess, but it's really an

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<v Speaker 1>ingenious city of just engineering the fact that it's still

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<v Speaker 1>there at all. You know. Another construction point that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuck out to me was that buildings in Venice

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<v Speaker 1>are built on piles of steaks, like wooden stakes driven

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<v Speaker 1>into the ground to kind of reinforce the mucky ground

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<v Speaker 1>to build on first. It's really a remarkable place when

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<v Speaker 1>you look at all the things they've had to do

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<v Speaker 1>just to make that what shouldn't even be a city.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, let's let's get real. Well, it's a very neat,

0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:06.720
<v Speaker 1>beautiful city. Have you been, you mean, and I went

0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:12.760
<v Speaker 1>last summer and it is gorgeous. Yeah, very neat. Yeah yeah,

0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.240
<v Speaker 1>just walking around and all of a sudden you're like, oh,

0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm next to three thousand year old ruins. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>basically part of the city escape, right, Whereas here in

0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta you're like, oh, there's a Burger king, all right,

0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.560
<v Speaker 1>but it's from the sixties exactly, alright, So we we

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<v Speaker 1>had a pretty good cliffhanger that they had an idea.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's we'll go ahead and announce it. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea is called Mosa or you should do this, chuck,

0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:49.400
<v Speaker 1>the modulo sperimentale electoral bad electro mechanico. So that's the

0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:54.080
<v Speaker 1>experimental electro mechanical module. Which is the reason that that

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<v Speaker 1>has that clumsy name is because the M O S E.

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<v Speaker 1>The acronym is also so the Italian spelling from Mosa

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<v Speaker 1>or Moses and basically what the what Moses was well

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<v Speaker 1>known for. One of his many hits was parting the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Sea. Right, well, they thought that was very clever.

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<v Speaker 1>That's as big as hit they were coming. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>He did a lot of stuff. In Commandments that was

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty big hit, Burning Bush. I would say the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Sea was his American Pie or no, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>was his Baker Street. The Ten Commandments was his uh,

0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:33.400
<v Speaker 1>right down the line, who did Jerry rafferty Baker Street?

0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.840
<v Speaker 1>That was the saxophone one, right yeah, and Right down

0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:38.520
<v Speaker 1>the Land was his other hit. So I've never heard

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<v Speaker 1>that one. You have? You just don't know it, Okay,

0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.440
<v Speaker 1>says you was just about to bust it. Out too early.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, Mosa moses in Italian. Uh, it's a that's

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<v Speaker 1>a clever use of an acronym because this thing, the

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<v Speaker 1>contraption they came up with, it's pretty ingenious and clever

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<v Speaker 1>to defend against these rising high tides, which are known

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<v Speaker 1>as aqua alta, aqua alta. Yeah, and this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things where you say ingenious and clever, but

0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I would add in its simplicity. Right, These are my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite kinds of projects. When man looks at something and says, well,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't we just build a big gate? That's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much what it is. Yeah, yeah, but it is more

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<v Speaker 1>complicated than that. And let's let's talk about the Mosa So. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember we said sea levels are rising in general, but

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<v Speaker 1>high tides are a really big problem in Venice because

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<v Speaker 1>they're getting higher. Um. So the Mosai project, uh is

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<v Speaker 1>it consists of a bunch of gates that can be

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<v Speaker 1>brought up and raised on command. They have a magician

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<v Speaker 1>who commands the gates to rise, and um the gates

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<v Speaker 1>come up and basically separate the lagoon from the Adriatic Sea. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So imagine a big, huge steel door that lays flat

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the ocean, and uh, they fill it

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<v Speaker 1>with air and it's got two hinges on one side,

0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.040
<v Speaker 1>so that big steel door just raises up as it

0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.919
<v Speaker 1>fills with air, obviously becoming more buoyant, and until it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like about a forty five degree angle, uh, facing

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<v Speaker 1>out into the sea away from the city. And that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a barrier. It just swings up and I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's about a two foot differential in the water

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<v Speaker 1>levels and uh, it essentially prevents high tide from happening

0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:37.600
<v Speaker 1>within the Venice Lagoon. That's exactly right. And um, these

0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:41.200
<v Speaker 1>these basically walls, floating walls is what they amount to.

0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, they have hinges on the bottom. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's all sorts of pictures of the Mose project,

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<v Speaker 1>the mosa A project, um all over the internet. I

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<v Speaker 1>found it exponentially easier to understand when I saw what

0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.280
<v Speaker 1>they were talking about. Yeah, it's like, oh, that's all

0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:02.240
<v Speaker 1>it is. It'll allow us to clumsily try to get

0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:06.680
<v Speaker 1>this across. So you've got the hinges, um hinge, the

0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.520
<v Speaker 1>metal wall to the bottom of the sea floor right, well,

0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.439
<v Speaker 1>not to the sea floor, well to a concrete trench

0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.400
<v Speaker 1>within the sea floor that the thing sits in when

0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.280
<v Speaker 1>it's not in use. Yeah, they tried to pound it

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<v Speaker 1>right into the sand and they were like, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a working right, get us some concrete. So they These

0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.000
<v Speaker 1>trenches also provide a place for engineers to go underneath

0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.119
<v Speaker 1>and basically fix things and fiddle with stuff. And it

0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:33.159
<v Speaker 1>also provides the delivery system for the compressed air that

0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:38.840
<v Speaker 1>the hollow metal walls gates. Basically um fill up with

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<v Speaker 1>air so that they start to stand upright, Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>how long does that take? Like twenty minutes or thirty minutes,

0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.879
<v Speaker 1>and then uh, it takes about the same time for

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<v Speaker 1>to fill them with seawater again to return them back

0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.159
<v Speaker 1>to their laying position on the floor. It was a

0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.320
<v Speaker 1>little quicker going down, but which makes sense. Yes, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty much it. When the high tides coming, they

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<v Speaker 1>fill them with air so that the eight stand up

0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.960
<v Speaker 1>above water. And then on the lagoon side, the sea

0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.840
<v Speaker 1>level stays low. On the sea side, it can get

0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.639
<v Speaker 1>as high as it likes. And because they're hinged and

0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.600
<v Speaker 1>filled with air, they're not rigid, which means that they

0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.280
<v Speaker 1>can take a pounding and they can sway back and

0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.440
<v Speaker 1>forth a little bit and still not give. So it

0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.000
<v Speaker 1>is like you said, it's it's ingenious and its simplicity,

0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.280
<v Speaker 1>it is and it's uh. It officially launched in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand three, and that was and this was after years

0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and years of um I guess ideas and bids and plans,

0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:37.199
<v Speaker 1>and the Mosai project is what finally went out. They

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<v Speaker 1>said it was gonna be two to three billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>and would be done in uh. It's still not done.

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<v Speaker 1>They're looking at six now. Um. They did the first

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<v Speaker 1>successful test late last year, and like with every big project,

0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:53.919
<v Speaker 1>city project like that, it's going to be over budget

0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.120
<v Speaker 1>and over uh schedule. Yes, but there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>accusations of corruption. Really yeah, Southern Italy, a big public project, corrupt.

0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.679
<v Speaker 1>The The group that suggested the thing in the first

0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.840
<v Speaker 1>place is called the you want to take it? Someone's

0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna be offended by me, by the way. Maybe I'll

0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:21.040
<v Speaker 1>bet they're not Italian, the Consortio no Eva, So that's

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<v Speaker 1>basically the new Venice Consortium. It's a group of companies

0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.639
<v Speaker 1>and construction companies that said, hey, we've got an idea

0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.879
<v Speaker 1>for this problem. Let's try this, yeah, and we'll build

0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.280
<v Speaker 1>it for you. We had all the companies under our

0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:37.080
<v Speaker 1>banner that can provide everything you need. And they said,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll build it for you for two to three billion dollars.

0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:44.400
<v Speaker 1>And everybody went, what which sounds like a lot, including

0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:46.560
<v Speaker 1>to people in Venice. Is that American dollars or is

0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:50.200
<v Speaker 1>that euros? That's American dollars as far as I'm seeing

0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:54.960
<v Speaker 1>right here. Um, but if you go to Venice, like uh,

0:20:55.240 --> 0:21:00.440
<v Speaker 1>martinis like fifteen dollars, it's like twenty or only five

0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.160
<v Speaker 1>bucks for like a little tiny martini at Harry's Bar.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, so it sounds like a lot. But all

0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:08.879
<v Speaker 1>you have to do is go open the cash register

0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:11.000
<v Speaker 1>at Harry's Bar in a Tuesday afternoon and you can

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<v Speaker 1>get two to three billion dollars to pay for this project.

0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:16.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, all right, someone's a little salty about their business.

0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.600
<v Speaker 1>It was really expensive. Yeah, it was neat, but it's

0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:49.600
<v Speaker 1>also like really expensive. Europe's not cheap. No, So there

0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.920
<v Speaker 1>was a lot of a lot of accusations of corruption,

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<v Speaker 1>of kickbacks, the other thing being artificially expensive. Apparently there

0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.640
<v Speaker 1>was a study that found like this thing is they've

0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:06.080
<v Speaker 1>padded this tremendously. But by the time this came out, um,

0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.880
<v Speaker 1>public opinion apparently wasn't enough to stop at construction had started.

0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:12.919
<v Speaker 1>They did their first test in two twelve. Apparently it

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<v Speaker 1>was successful, and the Mosai project continues, and I believe

0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:20.760
<v Speaker 1>they're they're tracking for two thousand sixteen to have all

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<v Speaker 1>of the gates across all three of the inlets operational. Yeah,

0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:29.840
<v Speaker 1>and you said multiple gates, so each of these uh inlets.

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<v Speaker 1>You have the Leado, uh, the Malamoco, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>pronounce this Cheogia, but I heard it much much differently

0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:40.840
<v Speaker 1>on the video, so I know that's not right. But

0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.399
<v Speaker 1>those are the three inlets, and um, well that was

0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:45.480
<v Speaker 1>a British student. They just pronounced things however they want.

0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:51.280
<v Speaker 1>And then we assume because their European they know you're right. Uh.

0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:53.280
<v Speaker 1>So it's not like one big gate for each of

0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:55.679
<v Speaker 1>these things because that it's on a curve and you

0:22:55.720 --> 0:23:00.520
<v Speaker 1>can't just have one huge gate. So the um, the Alamoco,

0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:06.040
<v Speaker 1>and the Geogia have. The Malamoco has nineteen gates, Theoga

0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 1>has eighteen, and they're all in one row. And then

0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:11.320
<v Speaker 1>the big daddy, the Leado has two rows, one with

0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:14.359
<v Speaker 1>twenty gates and gates. Yeah, and they're not all the

0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:16.639
<v Speaker 1>same same they're the same width, but they're not all

0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:20.640
<v Speaker 1>the same height, right, and I mean they don't need

0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:23.600
<v Speaker 1>to be summer taller than others. They're all about sixteen

0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:28.600
<v Speaker 1>ft thick. So these are huge, huge walled gates. So yeah,

0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:30.240
<v Speaker 1>I think we should. I don't know if we've gotten

0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:32.639
<v Speaker 1>across how big they are. You said there's sixteen ft

0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:38.440
<v Speaker 1>or about five meters thick. Um, they're the the deepest

0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:42.320
<v Speaker 1>amount of water is a hundred feet, which is like

0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:45.439
<v Speaker 1>thirty meters. Uh, so these things are taller than that

0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:49.720
<v Speaker 1>or if need be. Yeah, uh and then they're uh,

0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:54.240
<v Speaker 1>what about three fifty tons. I think that's just for

0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:58.439
<v Speaker 1>like one of the gates. Yes, like one single panel

0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 1>could weighs as much as a seven thirty seven seven

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 1>forty seven. And they they are using something that Rolls

0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:10.119
<v Speaker 1>Royce makes that is basically an elevator for ships to

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:14.359
<v Speaker 1>convey each of the gates out to the sea floor. Yeah,

0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:17.080
<v Speaker 1>and it takes three days to move a gate. Yeah.

0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 1>So they're really really big gates, but they are going

0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:23.119
<v Speaker 1>to be very nimble when filled with compressed air and

0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:26.560
<v Speaker 1>smacked around by waves. Plus they're in water. Yeah, so

0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:29.480
<v Speaker 1>that helps with the weight that reminds me that this

0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:32.960
<v Speaker 1>project faces a lot of problems that that the project faces.

0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:36.639
<v Speaker 1>So there's there's some people have said, maybe this is

0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:39.359
<v Speaker 1>a good idea in theory, but practically this may or

0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 1>may not work. What if sea levels rise faster than

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:44.879
<v Speaker 1>we think, then these things are going to basically be

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 1>very expensive, totally obsolete gates, like the water would just

0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:52.240
<v Speaker 1>go right over the top of the exactly. That's a

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 1>nightmare scenario. Yeah that when I when I saw what

0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I saw, it didn't look like to me they came

0:24:57.640 --> 0:24:59.120
<v Speaker 1>out of the water enough. I was like, I would

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:02.119
<v Speaker 1>add another five Yeah, just to be safe, Just to

0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:06.560
<v Speaker 1>be safe, you know. Um, So that's one possible problem.

0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Another one that apparently they haven't addressed is the build

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 1>up of sediment. Remember we said that you have to

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:14.959
<v Speaker 1>clean out the canals pretty frequently because sediment builds up

0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 1>backs up septic systems, that crumbles brick walls. Well, it

0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:22.480
<v Speaker 1>will also fill in these trenches which apparently need to

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:27.000
<v Speaker 1>be totally flat, and as sediment builds up, then these

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 1>things aren't going to lay flat again and you may

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:32.800
<v Speaker 1>have some problems. Apparently that's something that hasn't been addressed

0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:37.359
<v Speaker 1>by the Mosai project how to deal with sediment build up. Well,

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:39.359
<v Speaker 1>I know they've got about a hundred and fifty people

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 1>that will just be full time caretaking staff. Uh. And

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I guess part of their job will be to clean

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 1>that stuff up. Huh. I would guess. Uh. And some

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:53.159
<v Speaker 1>of the other problems, Um, anytime you're undertaking a project

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 1>like this has to interact with the elements and mother nature,

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:03.119
<v Speaker 1>they're going to be in iron mental concerns and uh.

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 1>They range the spectrum here from we don't really know

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:10.640
<v Speaker 1>how this is going to affect things, uh and disrupt

0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 1>the ecosystem too. Well, wait a minute, we need this

0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:18.240
<v Speaker 1>constant flow in and out of water twice a day

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:23.120
<v Speaker 1>too flush our giant toilet that we're living in, right Uh.

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 1>And proponents will say it's gonna be better actually because

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:32.440
<v Speaker 1>and it sort of makes sense if there's um, if

0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>you have three holes going into something and you plug

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 1>up two of them, you're gonna have a stronger flow

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 1>in the one hole, right exactly. So they're saying we

0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:43.480
<v Speaker 1>can actually use this to manipulate this flow of water

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:47.640
<v Speaker 1>artificially and make a better toilet flusher exactly. Yeah. Yeah,

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:50.000
<v Speaker 1>but I think that hopefully the ones who are like, well,

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 1>but why don't we just use this as they an

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to update our septic system as a whole or

0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:59.680
<v Speaker 1>sewer system as a whole. Hopefully those guys will win out,

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<v Speaker 1>but pollution, increased pollution levels are definitely an issue that

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<v Speaker 1>environmentalists are looking at. And uh, I just get the picture.

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<v Speaker 1>In southern Italy. It's a tough Uh, it's tough game,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. It seems to be a lot of fighting,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is a very controversial project but still remains

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<v Speaker 1>so Yeah, and it seems to be marching on. They

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<v Speaker 1>they One of the other criticisms was that they they

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<v Speaker 1>basically just ignored easier, less expensive options, right, that have

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<v Speaker 1>proven effective elsewhere in the Netherlands. Yeah, are like building

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 1>barrier islands. Yeah, underwater dikes. But although apparently they have

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of this stuff already and it's not necessarily helping.

0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>It's mainly just reinforcing the natural um barriers that already exist.

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.199
<v Speaker 1>I guess they're like, why don't we just put up

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<v Speaker 1>more of that? Yeah, I think it's interesting. Just uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out.

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<v Speaker 1>I really hope it works because they've sunk a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money into this and there. I mean, they they

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<v Speaker 1>moved all in on this mosa system, like they can't

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<v Speaker 1>scrap it and say, well, it didn't work, Let's think

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<v Speaker 1>of something new. Yeah, And I wonder how how much

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:12.879
<v Speaker 1>it would be to just like that. You can't just

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<v Speaker 1>add a new gate, a new taller gate if the

0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:20.359
<v Speaker 1>sea levels do rise faster and they these these the

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 1>ones they have proved too short because it has to

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 1>sit flush in the trench. So you'd have to create

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<v Speaker 1>a whole another trench to accommodate this larger gate would

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<v Speaker 1>be a real problem. That's the worst case scenario to

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<v Speaker 1>me is if it's uh, yeah, if they're too short

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 1>the water laps. I mean, surely they thought of that.

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 1>It didn't look right to me. But they know what

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing, right, I hope, so pretty neat and hopefully

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 1>you know they had all this in that that great video,

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of footage where it looked like it looked

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<v Speaker 1>like some parts of Venice on a daily basis with

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 1>high tide is slightly underwater. Yeah. They just show people

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<v Speaker 1>walking to work through water and delivering stuff to places

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>through water, and and everyone looks very sick. Of it. Yeah,

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 1>go check out um on vimeo Venice Backstage. Uh, that

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<v Speaker 1>is definitely worth watching. Venice back Stage Period. How does

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<v Speaker 1>Venice work? I think they meant to put a coal

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<v Speaker 1>in there. The period bugs me a period in a title.

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<v Speaker 1>They're from England, Josh, I know these are the Venetians

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 1>that made this. They're from Venice, Josh, Um, they know

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing. Yeah, and check out stuff on the

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>MOSE project Mose Mose. I just want to say, moves

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>from Paper Moon your favorite movie, right boom uh. And

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>if you want to learn even more about the mosa

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 1>A project, you can type in m O s E

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<v Speaker 1>Project in the search bar how stuff works dot Com

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 1>and that will bring up this article. Yeah. And hey,

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 1>checkout Venice is Sinking from Athens, Georgia. Yeah, that's nice.

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>My one buddy is no longer in the band, but

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 1>you're still friendly with the other guys. They haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>in touch actually, but they said, they said record and

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.040
<v Speaker 1>you're good folk. Well, and if you ever get a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to go to Venice, I recommend you do it

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 1>because it is a neat town. But don't go to

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<v Speaker 1>Harry's Bar. You have to go to Harry's Bar. Is

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>that the legendary place, that's where the Bellini was created?

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Why didn't you have a Billini? She had a Billiini.

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I had a Martini? What is all a bellinis? A

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 1>peach juice, peach pure in champagne. Very good. But again

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 1>it's like basically a shot for I think it was

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 1>like twenty five dollars or maybe even more. Yeah, but

0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 1>you have to you have to go. You walk past

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.200
<v Speaker 1>the seat that Hemingway used to drink at, right, you

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 1>know it's a neat place. Yeah, there's a lot of

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>those seats around the world, though, you know, find a

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 1>cheaper one. I think we already went through the whole

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>rigamar role that leads us up to listener mail. So

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>now it's time for listener mail. I'm gonna call this

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 1>murderer in our myths midst murder in the midst. You're

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 1>thinking of guerrillas an them. Miss Hey, guys have a

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 1>boring job. So I binge listened, uh several days a

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>week to your show. I was listening to the Insanity

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Defense episode and I heard a very familiar name. I

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 1>happened to have met John Delling during his killing spree.

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I used to manage a coffee shop, and a guy

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:18.720
<v Speaker 1>was oddly peering in the window with his hand pressed

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 1>against the glass, though the store was clearly open. Uh.

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>He paced around the building for a while. I thought

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:26.280
<v Speaker 1>it was pretty weird, so I sent the girl working

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<v Speaker 1>with me pretty brave if you Josh. His name is Josh,

0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>by the way. Okay, what do I sent the girl

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 1>working with me in the back? Oh? No, okay, I

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>take it all back. He was trying to protect her,

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 1>and that was me. I sent her in the back

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.240
<v Speaker 1>and told her to hang out there until he left.

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>He came in, looked the menu over and asked where

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>ice cream was any good. I gave him a free sample.

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Here you go, We don't want any trouble. He liked it.

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 1>He liked it and said he had to go to

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 1>his car to get some money. He literally said, I'll

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 1>be right back. Then he went out to his car

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<v Speaker 1>for a while and drove away. A couple of days later,

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<v Speaker 1>the girl I was working with that night called crying

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 1>and told me to find a newspaper. Well, no wonder

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>resenting back. She's clearly fragile. She's crying that like the

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>guy was at the front door. You see that Sunday

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 1>New York Times is six dollars now. On the front

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 1>page was a large mug shot of our guy from

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 1>a couple of nights previous. Turns out he had actually

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>left the store and murdered someone and um because the

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 1>ice cream drove him No, I guess so, and he

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>stole something, stole their car that same evening. Anyway, just

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 1>thought it was an interesting connection. The guy was definitely

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 1>in need of some help, and as you mentioned, had

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<v Speaker 1>no shot at getting it in the legal system here

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 1>in Idaho. It is clearly a tricky ethical area. Thanks everybody.

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>And then it's from Josh knowl that's from way back

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of the insanity defense. Yeah, that was a good

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.960
<v Speaker 1>one though it turned out we learned a lot. So

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 1>he fed a guy ice cream anyone out and killed someone. Man,

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 1>This really scary stuff. And his coworker, who was around

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 1>for none of it, cried when she read the paper. Yeah,

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 1>apparently she never got any work done because anytime a

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 1>customer came in she gets sent to the back. You know, yeah,

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>uh crazy. What was the dude's name, Josh and Hole?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Josh. Thanks Josh. It's always good to hear

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 1>from another Josh, because we are the greatest names on

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the planet. Josh. That's such a great name. It is,

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 1>especially if you say it in other ways like yosh

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>or hush. There's all sorts of ways you can say Josh,

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>but really the only right way to say it is Josh.

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 1>And it's a verb. Yeah, you can josh and it's

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 1>a it's a friendly verb too, because you're making fun

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 1>of somebody, but in a non hostile way. Yeah, chuck

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>is a verb too, how about that? Yeah, look at us, right,

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Josh and chucking. Yeah, that's good stuff. Chuck. I can't

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:44.560
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