Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 2: Hey, what's up? Man? What's your name?
Speaker 1: My name is Jayden, Jaden.
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 3: Jaden?
Speaker 2: Have we ever talked before?
Speaker 1: No, I've I just I just started listening to you,
Speaker 1: like a couple.
Speaker 2: Of years ago, sweet man, going on with you? What's
Speaker 2: going on with your life? Uh? A lot, A whole lot.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just thinking a lot, a lot more than
Speaker 1: I usually am thinking. Mm hm, and like, uh yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Really weird mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into it. What do you what are
Speaker 2: you thinking about more often than you normally think about?
Speaker 1: Well, I I tried to call you the other day
Speaker 1: last time you streamed because I like, I really wanted
Speaker 1: to and I felt like it, and so then I
Speaker 1: I found your number and I downloaded Twitch and then uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm getting what I want right now. It's kind of weird.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, well ship Jayden. Aside aside from the logistics
Speaker 2: of how you arrived here, Uh, what is it you
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about?
Speaker 1: I do you really want to know? Yeah?
Speaker 2: That's you know what I don't Jayden, Jayden. I can't
Speaker 2: do the whole Jaydon, I can't do the whole conversation
Speaker 2: like this, Jayden, I give you permission to talk to me. Jayden, Jayden, Jayden,
Speaker 2: I give you, I give you you sound that's okay,
Speaker 2: it's okay, you're okay, it's okay. I give you full
Speaker 2: permission to, yes, talk to me about whatever it is
Speaker 2: you want to talk about. Yes, I do. I do
Speaker 2: want to know what's going on?
Speaker 3: You want to know?
Speaker 1: Oh God, that feels good. It feels really good. I've
Speaker 1: been been trying to explain things to people for feels
Speaker 1: like my whole life. And uh and yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like I kind of I kind of
Speaker 1: know a way to do it. And yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: so scary.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's what we'll do, Jaden. I here's here's what
Speaker 2: I'll Here's here's what I Here's what I promise I
Speaker 2: will attempt for you. Is you, I probably swear my life.
Speaker 2: I promise that I will hear you out as you
Speaker 2: attempt to explain, and I will try my very best
Speaker 2: to meet you wherever you are, so you try your best.
Speaker 2: I'll try my best, and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: If if you want to learn, you have to get
Speaker 1: out a piece of paper. I know it sounds kind
Speaker 1: of weird.
Speaker 2: I can't do a piece of paper, but I'll try to.
Speaker 2: I'll try my best to listen.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know how we talk to each other, right,
Speaker 1: and like yeah, like the like there's words inside your
Speaker 1: head also, and like you're also saying words too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know a lot of people, a lot of
Speaker 1: people who think fast. It's kind of hard to explain
Speaker 1: how you're thinking fast, right. I don't know anything, and
Speaker 1: I know that, but I realized in the past few
Speaker 1: weeks that I'm just a lot more autistic than I
Speaker 1: thought I was, and that that's only because I'm actually
Speaker 1: learning English, and it's it. It makes sense to me,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't make sense to other people, and that
Speaker 1: feels kind of weird. M Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 2: Is English not your first language?
Speaker 1: No? English is my first language.
Speaker 2: Okay, So because because you're learning, learning English is making
Speaker 2: you realize that you are more autistic than you thought
Speaker 2: you were.
Speaker 1: I feel so much more smart than I felt before
Speaker 1: I knew this, Okay, And I don't know how to
Speaker 1: explain the feeling of knowledge, okay, writing it down the
Speaker 1: way that I just now learned how to do.
Speaker 2: Okay, right now, Jane I want your work with me.
Speaker 2: I want your work with me here, because we're gonna
Speaker 2: figure it. I swore, Jane, I swore on my life you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna you're gonna pick up a piece of paper and
Speaker 1: you're gonna try.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not gonna do a piece of paper. But
Speaker 2: I I swore on my life that I would attempt
Speaker 2: to understand you. And so if I don't at least attempt,
Speaker 2: that means I'm going to explode and die. So but
Speaker 2: I want that like okay, and so, so bear with
Speaker 2: my hair. Just simple answers here. Yeah, what do you
Speaker 2: feel like? You know that you did not know before?
Speaker 1: In one word, it's the word now.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm with you. What do you know about now?
Speaker 1: Then? Word now is spelled.
Speaker 2: N O W.
Speaker 1: And that's how I would spell it old. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: my dog guys, come on, look at and then sorry, man,
Speaker 1: the roommate just got back. Hey, dec what I say
Speaker 1: I was gonna do? I'm talking to the gecko right now.
Speaker 2: It is Jaden. Stay with me and stay with me.
Speaker 2: You're explaining the word You're explaining the word now. Okay.
Speaker 1: Do you see the word now in your brain?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay? Put a K in front of it. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: where did you put that K?
Speaker 2: I put it in the front? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Where is the yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, okay, I see it. I see it.
Speaker 2: I see it. Okay, all right. I put it on
Speaker 2: the I put it on the right side of the word.
Speaker 2: But now I'm putting it in front of the word.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you thought you were right, but you know what
Speaker 1: front actually means to me?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we agree right now, okay, And you see that
Speaker 1: in your own brain, I do, right, Yes, that's really weird.
Speaker 1: I know that that. I know that it's really weird
Speaker 1: that I can explain how you imagine things kind of
Speaker 1: and I know that that's true. Okay, And it's really
Speaker 1: weird to explain how I think personally to you because
Speaker 1: I'm not you, right.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, Jaden, So I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: steer this conversation now. Okay. So you just did a
Speaker 2: little thought experiment about how we have different perspectives and
Speaker 2: I tended to get into your perspective and I did,
Speaker 2: and we successfully matched each other's perspectives.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, we found out what word? What? What? What? What? Work?
Speaker 2: What Okay, we found out. Ok yeah, yeah, okay, listen. Okay, So,
Speaker 2: so yeah, that's in the context of this specific thought
Speaker 2: experiment that you did. How does this apply to everyone,
Speaker 2: right to things beyond just this thought experiment? How does
Speaker 2: this apply to your life?
Speaker 1: Okay? Do you actually want to know?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, you have to get a piece of paper.
Speaker 2: I I don't need a piece of paper. I didn't
Speaker 2: need a piece of paper for the first one. I
Speaker 2: don't need a piece of paper for this.
Speaker 1: You know what, that's true. You're very You're you're you're right.
Speaker 1: I I feel like the differences between me and you
Speaker 1: right now are legitimately and figuratively just the way that
Speaker 1: we write the word are or the way that we
Speaker 1: were or or and or the way that we write
Speaker 1: the word K. Because if you take the K and
Speaker 1: then you take it over the line, it becomes an R.
Speaker 1: And so if you if you take your no, your
Speaker 1: knowledge and take it over the line of what you
Speaker 1: actually know is true, then you are right kind of
Speaker 1: kind of right.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna share that. I'm gonna say this
Speaker 2: conversation in your direction.
Speaker 1: Do you want to know how I figured that out?
Speaker 2: How'd you figure that out.
Speaker 1: I thought about what a pyramid was. Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: I thought about English, and I thought about what a
Speaker 1: period is. Yeah, and I thought about how I viewed
Speaker 1: that in my own brain kind of.
Speaker 3: Because I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't think I knew how to spell
Speaker 1: because I was.
Speaker 2: I thought I was dyslexic.
Speaker 1: But I'm realizing I'm just autistic.
Speaker 2: Okay, does that make sense? It doesn't. I can I
Speaker 2: answer you? Can I answer you some questions?
Speaker 1: Yea?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: How old are you, Juden?
Speaker 1: I'm nineteen?
Speaker 2: Okay. What where do you live? Don't give me your
Speaker 2: home address? What state do you live in?
Speaker 1: Uh? South Dakota?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Kind in the middle of LA.
Speaker 2: All right? Are you in college right now?
Speaker 1: Nope?
Speaker 2: What do you do? Do you work?
Speaker 3: I mean I work in a grocery store okay, pretty nice?
Speaker 2: Okay? And you live with your family?
Speaker 3: Nope?
Speaker 2: You live by yourself with some roommates?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have. I have one roommate. I used to.
Speaker 1: I lived with my cousin and then his his girlfriend
Speaker 1: and their baby, but they moved out a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and then my my my friend moved in, so I
Speaker 1: got a new roommate.
Speaker 3: Now o. Yeah, I have one roommate.
Speaker 2: All right, so you live with a friend. And how
Speaker 2: do you know this? Friends?
Speaker 1: We met like last year.
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 1: You just just showed up in my knife, you know.
Speaker 2: Cool. How are you doing in general.
Speaker 1: Right now? I'm a little hungry, but uh about it,
Speaker 1: I'm doing good, doing really good.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: What thoughts take up your brain most of the day?
Speaker 3: Whatever?
Speaker 1: Thoughts? I want to take over my brain most of
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, you feel you feel like you're you feel
Speaker 2: like you're that in control of your thoughts kind of.
Speaker 1: I know I'm not in control over my thoughts, but
Speaker 1: I know how I how I would write down my thoughts.
Speaker 2: And lately, lately, lately, what thoughts in particular have you
Speaker 2: been wanting to occupy your brain?
Speaker 1: I I wanted to understand English, and so I imagined
Speaker 1: myself as more than just myself. And then I took
Speaker 1: what I knew, which is just a few colors, and
Speaker 1: then what I didn't know, which was the period at
Speaker 1: the end of the words that I didn't know, and
Speaker 1: I made a circle out of them, and then I
Speaker 1: just started writing the started writing letters. M M. But
Speaker 1: I yeah, I've been having fun.
Speaker 3: It's been good.
Speaker 2: I've been reading you sent me a bunch of texts
Speaker 2: and I'm reading some of them books.
Speaker 1: I kind of I kind of like frantically texted you
Speaker 1: yet last time because I was when when I was
Speaker 1: listening to your stream, the other dude, the dude who
Speaker 1: was talking to you last was saying how he like
Speaker 1: kind of figured out language a little bit, and like, well,
Speaker 1: he was saying that I was like writing stuff down,
Speaker 1: like kind of figuring out on my own.
Speaker 2: Okay, So when you say, yeah, and in one of
Speaker 2: these texts, you said you fixed English? So what does
Speaker 2: that mean? What do you What do you mean by
Speaker 2: you fixed? What do you mean by you fixed English?
Speaker 2: What was? And tell? And let's do this in parts? Okay,
Speaker 2: first of let's do first First of all, First of all,
Speaker 2: first of all, what was wrong with English? Before you
Speaker 2: came in?
Speaker 1: I didn't understand it me personally? I didn't understand it
Speaker 1: my person like myself, I didn't I didn't understand what
Speaker 1: I was saying to myself. Yeah, but I already knew
Speaker 1: I already like I already knew how to meditate, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to explain how I knew how
Speaker 1: to meditate and I really felt crazy because I was
Speaker 1: I've been like, I've been doing really good in life,
Speaker 1: and then I'm trying to help people do good, but
Speaker 1: it's like like I can't I can't explain my own
Speaker 1: or I felt like I couldn't explain my own thoughts,
Speaker 1: and so I'm like just sitting here running in circles,
Speaker 1: like trying to explain to people why they should be good,
Speaker 1: but then like I didn't even understand it myself.
Speaker 2: Wait, give me a minute, Give me a minute, Jaden,
Speaker 2: because we're talking about a bunch of different things now,
Speaker 2: and I want to hone in on this. You are
Speaker 2: trying to explain to people why they should be good.
Speaker 1: No, I am trying to explain to people why they
Speaker 1: should be conscientious.
Speaker 2: Conscious, conscious, Okay, And what does it mean to you?
Speaker 2: And what does it mean to you to be conscientious?
Speaker 1: For me, it means that I understand the thoughts going
Speaker 1: on inside of my head right now, okay, And that's it.
Speaker 1: That's all I know.
Speaker 2: So you're trying to explain to people that they should
Speaker 2: have a better understanding of the thoughts going on inside
Speaker 2: of their own head.
Speaker 1: I don't want anybody to do anything.
Speaker 3: I never said that.
Speaker 2: I never said that. I never said that. I said,
Speaker 2: you're trying to explain to people why you believe if
Speaker 2: they should.
Speaker 1: Yes, I want to explain how I feel like I
Speaker 1: am God. But it's really weird because I don't because
Speaker 1: I know I'm not God, but I feel pretty close
Speaker 1: to what I think for twelve people who made English.
Speaker 1: At the start felt like kind of interesting, interesting, interesting
Speaker 1: because I've been like I felt like I figured out
Speaker 1: what I want and then I started saying what I
Speaker 1: want and me being really autistic, I like, I've been
Speaker 1: getting people kind of mad because now I'm just saying
Speaker 1: everything I want and it's like, like, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to get anyone mad. I just want what I want.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, slow down for me for just second, dude. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: because you're bringing up a lot of different things that
Speaker 2: I want to keep track of them. They're interesting things.
Speaker 1: To get a piece of paper I don't need.
Speaker 2: I don't need a I don't need a piece of paper.
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 2: Okay, you wait, hold on. You brought up two things.
Speaker 2: One thing you brought up is that you believe that
Speaker 2: you're God, and I can't. I don't believe that do
Speaker 2: you say, do you just say that you believe your God?
Speaker 1: I said, I believe that I know what's going on
Speaker 1: in my head right now. Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2: God, all right? And then you said that you're pissing
Speaker 2: people off? Why are you? In what way are you
Speaker 2: pissing people off?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What does it look like when you're doing something that
Speaker 2: pisses people off?
Speaker 1: So that right now, when I'm telling you to grab
Speaker 1: a piece of paper, it kind of doesn't feel good
Speaker 1: because I'm telling you to do something that you don't
Speaker 1: want to do right now. Sure, right, And the only
Speaker 1: way I can explain now I'm thinking like that is legitimately,
Speaker 1: if you grab a piece of paper right now, so
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do anything.
Speaker 2: So you are, you're trying so as you maneuver around
Speaker 2: the universe, you are exerting your will upon the universe.
Speaker 1: I am getting exactly what I want right now, and
Speaker 1: that's why I'm on the phone with you. And it's
Speaker 1: kind of scary because I know a lot of other
Speaker 1: people also get what they want, but then they die,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't want to die.
Speaker 2: Okay, other people get what they want and then they die.
Speaker 3: Most of the time.
Speaker 2: Do you believe that they die right after getting what
Speaker 2: they want, or they get what they want and then
Speaker 2: at some point they die.
Speaker 1: I believe that after you feel like you get what
Speaker 1: you want, then you're okay with dying. And yeah. The
Speaker 1: only one for me to prove that to people is
Speaker 1: if someone comes and kills me and then they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just I knew him, so I know that he
Speaker 1: was okay dying. Yeah, but nobody else would know that
Speaker 1: I'm okay dying and that they actually knew me.
Speaker 2: Okay, but have you gotten what you want?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm amazing, I got I got everything. I got
Speaker 1: everything I.
Speaker 2: Want, Okay, And so you're afraid that because you now
Speaker 2: have everything you want, you become okay with dying, and
Speaker 2: then that kind of puts out into the universe that
Speaker 2: it makes you die.
Speaker 1: Kind of because I mean, I it's the words should
Speaker 1: and shouldn't, the nt and shouldn't. I don't think it
Speaker 1: should be that if you don't want to put.
Speaker 2: It there, right, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: And so when I'm talking to people, I don't want
Speaker 1: to put it there, and I'm learning how to how
Speaker 1: to tell people what I want from them. In the
Speaker 1: moment without crossing the line of you know the language.
Speaker 2: What do you want from me right now?
Speaker 1: I just wanted to talk to you.
Speaker 2: Okay, good?
Speaker 1: What do you want to talk about?
Speaker 2: We're having a fly. We're talking about like five different
Speaker 2: things at once. I don't think we can add anything else.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean no, I'm just asking you what you want.
Speaker 1: Do you want to figure out what I'm figuring it out?
Speaker 1: Or do you want to talk?
Speaker 2: I think both of those. I think figuring out what
Speaker 2: you are trying to figure out is us talking?
Speaker 1: So right? Kind of right?
Speaker 2: Okay, So.
Speaker 1: Are you Are you confused because you think I'm not
Speaker 1: getting what I want?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not. No, I'm not confused at all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm we're trying to understand. Do you feel like you're
Speaker 2: constantly asking people for things and that's pissing them off?
Speaker 1: So first I felt that way because I like my
Speaker 1: last month, I like I figured out that the the
Speaker 1: words I'm using like exactly how people are seeing me, and.
Speaker 2: So yes, that's true. Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: The balance of the words I'm using and then how
Speaker 1: I'm using that might of course, and I have never
Speaker 1: been able to explain that to anybody, because I feel
Speaker 1: like my brain moves a little bit faster than most
Speaker 1: people and I don't want that to make anybody else
Speaker 1: feel like being slower is bad.
Speaker 2: That actually does make sense. Let me give you an example.
Speaker 2: Let me give you an example of something.
Speaker 1: Can you give me a word? Can you give me
Speaker 1: a word? And then I'll try and break it down
Speaker 1: how I think I should break it down.
Speaker 2: I think I can't. I can't give you a word
Speaker 2: because the way that I'm okay, let me, I think
Speaker 2: I kind of I'm trying to understand a little bit
Speaker 2: about what your problem is. And I think I understand
Speaker 2: a little bit of it, and I'm gonna I'm gonna, well,
Speaker 2: can I ask you if you can let let me
Speaker 2: throw something Matt you first and see how you react. Okay,
Speaker 2: Is that cool with that? Yeah? Okay, all right. So
Speaker 2: this whole thing of like my brain works faster than
Speaker 2: other people's and so I kind of know what I
Speaker 2: want and I say it and it pisses people off.
Speaker 2: So I've been a round. I think I've been around
Speaker 2: other people who are like that, and I and I
Speaker 2: and I understand the problem is is that I think
Speaker 2: naturally it sounds to me, like the way your brain
Speaker 2: works and the way and I'm just making I'm just
Speaker 2: throwing this out there. You tell me if it resonates
Speaker 2: with you. The way your brain works is like you
Speaker 2: have a strong sense of self and you're in your brain,
Speaker 2: and you because and because you're in your brain, because
Speaker 2: you have a way in which the world like configurates
Speaker 2: itself and kind of fits together like a puzzle piece,
Speaker 2: and you just maneuver as if it should fit that way.
Speaker 2: But you have a you have and and that makes
Speaker 2: perfect sense to you. Why would it not make perfect
Speaker 2: sense to you? You're solving the puzzle, of course, but
Speaker 2: you have a major problem. What's your name again, Jaden, Jadeen?
Speaker 2: You have a major problem. You have a major, major problem.
Speaker 2: And this is the problem for you to think about. Here, Okay,
Speaker 2: are you ready listening? Here's what I think The problem is.
Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you think? My problem is.
Speaker 2: You're operating is if there is one single puzzle to
Speaker 2: be solved of the universe, that is your brain, and
Speaker 2: you're solving the puzzle, and so you're like, oh, of
Speaker 2: course this, and of course that and and and the
Speaker 2: reason why it's pissing people off is because you don't
Speaker 2: understand there's more than one puzzle. There's everyone else's puzzle
Speaker 2: and everyone else's context. And if you're acting in a
Speaker 2: way that neglects everyone else's context and everyone else's puzzle,
Speaker 2: and you're just focused on your own puzzle, then your you, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you kind of pissed people off and you can't really
Speaker 2: interact with the world. And maybe that is I don't
Speaker 2: know anything about autism, but maybe that is autism. Doing
Speaker 2: that is making you have to focus on your own puzzle.
Speaker 2: But like if you put but like as a smart
Speaker 2: guy and even as part of your puzzle, you could
Speaker 2: kind of try to fit in with other people's contexts,
Speaker 2: you know what. You know what I mean? Can I
Speaker 2: give you like, let me get like, I'll give you
Speaker 2: an example. I was with someone on a trip once
Speaker 2: and I would like, we were going to customs and uh,
Speaker 2: they they walk in front of me and they give
Speaker 2: the customs guy their passport and then they say to me, Okay,
Speaker 2: now you give him your passport. And in my head,
Speaker 2: I was pissed off because I was like, dude, I know, well,
Speaker 2: I was pissed off because I was like, dude, I
Speaker 2: like I know, to give the guy my fucking passport,
Speaker 2: like I know, And it felt like it was pretentious.
Speaker 2: It felt like he was telling me what to do.
Speaker 2: It pissed me off. But I'm but here's the thing,
Speaker 2: and I'm realizing this talking to you. In his head,
Speaker 2: he's not thinking about that. He's going, oh, we need
Speaker 2: to give this guy our passport. Let me give him
Speaker 2: my passport. Hey, you also need to give him your passport,
Speaker 2: So let me tell you to give him your passport.
Speaker 2: And that pisses me off. But of course he's thinking
Speaker 2: the way that you're thinking, because he's just looking at
Speaker 2: the world through a very logical point of view, and
Speaker 2: he's not thinking about the context behind it. You know,
Speaker 2: he's going A to B and it's fucking frustrating. I
Speaker 2: understand why it's fucking frustrating is when you're going A
Speaker 2: to B and someone else is like, hey, that's pissing
Speaker 2: people off. You go, wait, why is this pissing people off?
Speaker 2: This makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 1: Do you do you want me to explain kind of
Speaker 1: how I'm thinking about it?
Speaker 2: Do you understand does any of what I said to
Speaker 2: you resonate?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I completely one. No, I don't know you, but
Speaker 1: I ninety percent agree with you.
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, you I okay.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain my thoughts, but I
Speaker 1: know how to explain how I personally break apart the
Speaker 1: words that I see when someone says something to me,
Speaker 1: or like when I read something. But because I've had
Speaker 1: like it's just it's yeah, it's kind of weird, it's
Speaker 1: really weird. I my whole life, I've felt like I've
Speaker 1: wanted to understand my thoughts to the best of my abilities.
Speaker 1: And I've always liked drawn. I've always liked to draw.
Speaker 1: I've always liked to, you know, kind of like I've
Speaker 1: always like kind of liked to read, Like I like
Speaker 1: comic books. I kind of you know, I just I
Speaker 1: just like some stuff. And the only way I figured
Speaker 1: out what I actually need right now is from the
Speaker 1: process of like the process of elimination that goes on
Speaker 1: in my brain with the words that I say in
Speaker 1: my Does that make sense.
Speaker 2: A little bit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit kind of Yeah, I know that
Speaker 1: I can make sense to you right now. But but
Speaker 1: there's a but. But there's a big B, there's a
Speaker 1: big butt, right, yeah, So so what the fuck is
Speaker 1: the beat in English? What word does the letter B
Speaker 1: actually mean?
Speaker 3: Mm?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I mean I interpret it. I'm
Speaker 2: interpreting it to the butt meaning like this is like, dude,
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, When I was a kid,
Speaker 2: I used to like, I used to try to look
Speaker 2: for like the dictionary definition of the you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? You know what I mean? Like to be like, well,
Speaker 2: how do they how do you define the word.
Speaker 1: The I think I figured that out. Yeah, seriously, I'm
Speaker 1: not joking.
Speaker 2: Do you figure out? How do you? Okay? All right?
Speaker 2: How do you define the jayden?
Speaker 1: I can't tell you.
Speaker 2: If you can't tell me, then you If you can't
Speaker 2: tell me, then you can't fucking do it.
Speaker 1: Then I can't be right. I can't. I can't be
Speaker 1: right right now, right because I can't tell you it
Speaker 1: right now right.
Speaker 2: I feel kind of.
Speaker 1: Bad because I can't tell you it right now.
Speaker 2: You don't have to feel this is you have nothing
Speaker 2: to feel bad for.
Speaker 1: But is that wrong?
Speaker 3: Is that wrong?
Speaker 1: I feel bad right now?
Speaker 3: In your opinion? In your own opinion, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, in my own opinion. Yeah, not like it's not
Speaker 2: more it's not morally wrong. Yeah, I don't think I
Speaker 2: don't think. I don't think this is it's not morally wrong.
Speaker 2: I just don't think the situation currently warrants you feeling bad.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Okay, great, And I totally understand
Speaker 1: how I wrote the letter B in my brain and
Speaker 1: how I wrote the letter E and then the letter A.
Speaker 1: Because if if I understand how I write the letter
Speaker 1: B and then the letter A at the same time
Speaker 1: as I understand why I'm writing it that way, then
Speaker 1: I don't have to think about the words that I'm
Speaker 1: saying in my brain as much.
Speaker 2: Jaden, before we go, unless if this brings up a
Speaker 2: whole other thing, I'm gonna I want to I just
Speaker 2: want to ask you something. And there's no real right
Speaker 2: answer to this question, but I'm I'm just genuinely curious.
Speaker 2: Do you desire and it's okay whatever the answer, it's okay.
Speaker 2: Do you desire to piss people off? Less?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay one percent. I don't want to make people mad, Okay.
Speaker 1: I want you to understand the words that I'm saying
Speaker 1: right now. But for that to happen, you have to
Speaker 1: write something in your brain for me to say something
Speaker 1: to you, for you to understand it the way I'm
Speaker 1: saying it.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: It, yes, a little bit. But what I'm little But
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to get across is that like, Okay,
Speaker 2: here's the thing is you don't want to and this
Speaker 2: is the and and by the way, actually this word
Speaker 2: and I've talked about this before and this goes into
Speaker 2: what you were A whole thing about conscientiousness is there's
Speaker 2: a certain level of conscientiousness because you don't want to
Speaker 2: be too worried about pissing people off. Because if you're
Speaker 2: like too worried about yeah, because if you're too worried
Speaker 2: about pissing people off, then you never do anything because
Speaker 2: as you exist as a person and do stuff, you
Speaker 2: just naturally pissed people off. And you also you can't
Speaker 2: really control whether or not you piss people off kind of,
Speaker 2: but like if you want to piss people off less,
Speaker 2: like I think you can make active efforts, you know,
Speaker 2: like I'm hopefully trying to do with you right now,
Speaker 2: Like when I'm talking to you, I'm like trying to
Speaker 2: think about like what's going on in your brain and
Speaker 2: how you're processing this information and whatnot. So like as
Speaker 2: you go out into the world, you know, if you
Speaker 2: want to try to piss people off less you can
Speaker 2: try to think, like, well, what's going on in their brain?
Speaker 2: How are they processing this information? And let me not
Speaker 2: use that information as a way of like diluting myself.
Speaker 1: But maybe like I'm a training to you right now?
Speaker 1: Oh shit, really that's what I'm yeah, right now.
Speaker 3: Okay, this moment?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Do you actually want to understand what I understand right now?
Speaker 1: And I'm using the word like very kind of loosely
Speaker 1: and very literally at the same time, do you actually
Speaker 1: want to know what I know right now?
Speaker 2: I feel intimidated now because you're kind of scared, right,
Speaker 2: I'm not I don't know what happens after yeah, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: You're kind of scared kind yes, right, okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Do you want me to explain how I break apart?
Speaker 1: The word kind of a little bit in my own brain.
Speaker 1: Do you want me to explain how I break it apart?
Speaker 2: I'll hear it, and then it might it might be
Speaker 2: the last part of this conversation, but yes, let's hear it,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: I really really really want to be kind in my life,
Speaker 1: for like my whole life. I know for a fact
Speaker 1: that I don't know how long my life is going
Speaker 1: to be. Yes, but if I tell you what I
Speaker 1: know is a fact, then that's a gift I can
Speaker 1: give to you.
Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, that feels good, right, Yeah, I agree
Speaker 2: the way I said it. Yeah, it does, do you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I've been trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: actually talk nice for like my whole life, because I've
Speaker 1: felt like a kind person my whole life, and I've
Speaker 1: been trying to figure out how to like help other
Speaker 1: people be kind people. And right now I feel like
Speaker 1: I actually can help most people be kind people.
Speaker 2: In the sense that, yeah.
Speaker 1: In the sense that they can understand their thoughts the
Speaker 1: same way that I feel like I can understand my thoughts.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, you have no idea how long your
Speaker 2: life is going to be. So in what ways on
Speaker 2: your day to day life can you help other people
Speaker 2: be kinder people? And I mean by here's like, by
Speaker 2: just talking to folks in a way you help them
Speaker 2: understand their thoughts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I do.
Speaker 1: Do you want to know what I did? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What'd you do?
Speaker 1: I felt like, all right, let me let me give
Speaker 1: you some some backstory.
Speaker 3: Okay, So.
Speaker 1: I I have this girlfriend and we've been together for
Speaker 1: like five almost six months, and yeah it's gone. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're we're doing good right now. But we decided to
Speaker 1: Like she I just I wanted to help her get
Speaker 1: what she wants out of life. And I've never felt
Speaker 1: like I can explain that, but I've already I've always
Speaker 1: known that I wanted to help people with my life.
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 2: You know what your girlfriend wants out of life?
Speaker 1: No, and I don't know that. And I know that
Speaker 1: I can't know that, and so that's why I learned
Speaker 1: the word trust in my own way.
Speaker 2: Wait, Jaden, you're making a bunch of statements here that
Speaker 2: I wait, hold on.
Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, yeah, Orry, I.
Speaker 2: Just let let me slow down for a say why first,
Speaker 2: why can't you know that?
Speaker 1: Because I'm not God?
Speaker 2: Right? Okay? Are you saying that?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Oh wait, oh fuck, Jaane? You actually make Wait, Jaanen,
Speaker 2: you're making perfect You're making perfect sense because you can
Speaker 2: the reason you because you because the word trust, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: because you can only you can All you can really do, Jayden,
Speaker 2: All you can really do is you can trust that
Speaker 2: whatever she's telling you is what she wants out of life,
Speaker 2: is what she wants, so all you can really do
Speaker 2: is trust the information she's giving you, but you can't
Speaker 2: actually know because you are not God and cannot exist
Speaker 2: in her brain. M hm did I figure it out?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You figured it out. You figured it out exactly.
Speaker 2: You're like a riddle, Jayden, You're like a fucking riddle.
Speaker 1: Do you like riddles? Uh?
Speaker 2: What were you saying?
Speaker 1: What the fuck was I saying?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What the fuck was I think I lost track?
Speaker 2: You were talking? Okay, you were talking about your girlfriend.
Speaker 2: You can help You want to help her get uh?
Speaker 1: Uh you want to help her? Yeah, okay, I I
Speaker 1: want her to get exactly what she wants out of life,
Speaker 1: out of her life. Yes, And I I felt like
Speaker 1: I never could actually write that down, But right now,
Speaker 1: I I like, like, I'm I'm talking to you, and
Speaker 1: it it feels really nice to talk to you, and
Speaker 1: it feels good to just fucking paste around my house.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I've never I've never felt so
Speaker 1: crazy and so saying at the same exact time. And
Speaker 1: the way I feel like that is because I underlined
Speaker 1: the word crazy and then I wrote the words saying
Speaker 1: underneath it, and I took the you know, that's I
Speaker 1: took the equals sign and that's me.
Speaker 2: How did you meet your girlfriend?
Speaker 1: We so I've known her for like three years, but
Speaker 1: she used to like, we weren't together when I met her,
Speaker 1: but yeah, like five months ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would assume you weren't together when you guys met.
Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead, Well, no, she like she dated she
Speaker 1: dated my friend for like a few like it was
Speaker 1: like a few weeks or whatever or no, no, it
Speaker 1: was it was like a couple of months. But I, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just like I just wanted her to get what
Speaker 1: she wants out of life, and I always wanted what
Speaker 1: I want out of life. And I feel like I
Speaker 1: can help most people explain what they want out of
Speaker 1: life if I teach them how to write it down.
Speaker 2: Mm hm.
Speaker 1: But the fact that I know that I can help
Speaker 1: most people if I teach them how to write it
Speaker 1: down feels pretty wrong because I don't want to be right, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to write things down correctly.
Speaker 3: I just want to help talk to people.
Speaker 2: Jayden, Yeah, I think I I you know, I've enjoyed
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed talking to you. I'm gonna I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: super honest with you. It's been challenging to figure you
Speaker 2: out and to get information from you. And I think
Speaker 2: you know, and I think, no, no, no, you have nothing
Speaker 2: to be apologized for. I think you, I think you know.
Speaker 2: I think you're a smart guy. So I think you
Speaker 2: know that it's challenging to get information for you. I've
Speaker 2: enjoyed the challenge. You like getting this it, well, I
Speaker 2: it's difficult, but I've enjoyed the challenge of it. I've
Speaker 2: enjoyed the challenge of I said at the beginning of
Speaker 2: this call that I swore on my life I would
Speaker 2: attempt to under stand the things that you were saying
Speaker 2: to me. And I've enjoyed the challenge of doing it.
Speaker 1: And I hope you don't understand that.
Speaker 2: I well, well, well, jaden, listen. I can't. I can't
Speaker 2: understand everything you're saying because I'm not God.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: But I can attempt, and I feel like I did attempt,
Speaker 2: and I feel like you attempt it. I feel like
Speaker 2: you've tried the best, and I appreciate I appreciate you
Speaker 2: sitting here with me, and I feel like you attempted
Speaker 2: as best you could to explain it and I'm aware
Speaker 2: that ninety I'm aware that almost one hundred percent of
Speaker 2: the people listening are gonna have no idea what either
Speaker 2: of us were talking about the entire time. And I'm
Speaker 2: okay with that. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: Okay, dude, that's okay.
Speaker 2: I'm not worried either. It's all right. This is was good.
Speaker 3: That is very good.
Speaker 2: Jane, is there anything else you want to say to
Speaker 2: the people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 1: What is a computer if not what you are computing,
Speaker 1: which means complying and playing?
Speaker 2: I think, Thank you, Jane. I don't have a good
Speaker 2: rest of the night.
Speaker 1: I love you, mane, I have a good one.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jane, I love you too. Back all right, Well,
Speaker 2: that was you know what, I fully one hundred percent
Speaker 2: stand by that. Let me know when the comments of
Speaker 2: the YouTube or the Spotify or whatever, how I really
Speaker 2: want to I mean, I guess that's what comments are for,
Speaker 2: is for commenting on the thing, But I really want
Speaker 2: to know how people felt about that. Did you make
Speaker 2: it through? Did you listen to the whole forty minute
Speaker 2: of us, forty minutes of us talking. Did you get
Speaker 2: five minutes in and you were like, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I can understand that I liked being in that
Speaker 2: I did that felt like I was playing pong or something.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the challenge of that. I live in New
Speaker 2: York and like, I don't think that this previous caller
Speaker 2: was schizophrenic, but schizophrenic people come up to me a
Speaker 2: lot and we talk, and I've learned a lot. I think,
Speaker 2: like some like I think beneath the beneath like a
Speaker 2: jumble of like a random people saying seemingly random stuff.
Speaker 2: There's a kernel of something in there, and I think
Speaker 2: you can get to that kernel if you like, you know,
Speaker 2: keep it on track. Because Jayden was trying to explain something.
Speaker 2: I'm not fully sure I got all of it, but
Speaker 2: I got some of it. I got more of it
Speaker 2: than I would have if I didn't try, and and
Speaker 2: I'm happy about that. Okay, let me know in the
Speaker 2: comments if you got if you've got anything. I'm curious
Speaker 2: of other people's interpretations. And he fucked my shit up
Speaker 2: up by telling me about putting the K in front
Speaker 2: of the now because I put it in I put
Speaker 2: it at the on the right hand side. I didn't
Speaker 2: put it in front. I'm walking through life completely unaware
Speaker 2: of my own perspective and how it makes me put
Speaker 2: k's in different places. All right, Hello, Deck?
Speaker 3: Is this you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Who is this?
Speaker 3: This is Ti?
Speaker 1: Ti?
Speaker 2: What's up? Tight? Time?
Speaker 3: Nothing much? Dude, calling because I have a quandary for
Speaker 3: you today.
Speaker 2: Quonned me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, So just a little bit of backstory. I
Speaker 3: recently moved to a major West Coast city to pursue
Speaker 3: art music, start a whole new life type thing. And
Speaker 3: I've been here about a month and a half and
Speaker 3: a lot of good things have been happening, and the
Speaker 3: one thing that's really been holding me back is, for
Speaker 3: the fucking life of me, I cannot get a job.
Speaker 3: I've probably have applied over two hundred places, like places
Speaker 3: I'm overqualified to be working at, and I've gotten five
Speaker 3: job interviews, four of which I really really wanted and
Speaker 3: would have like suited my needs financially, and finally landed
Speaker 3: one today. But I'd be working swingshift, so from like
Speaker 3: anywhere from like two thirty to twelve thirty, depending on
Speaker 3: the day, which essentially would kill any hopes of me
Speaker 3: like going out and doing the art stuff. So I'd
Speaker 3: had to for me the fuck up, which is killing
Speaker 3: my soul to think about, because I really came out
Speaker 3: here with a purpose and I'm just not sure if
Speaker 3: I'm able to live in that because either way that
Speaker 3: I decide to go, it's gonna take an immense amount
Speaker 3: of sacrifice. And I feel like I'm going to rock
Speaker 3: in a hard play the Battle of Brain and Heart.
Speaker 3: And I figured, well, I told myself today that I
Speaker 3: would ask a few of my friends what they would do.
Speaker 3: We're not really friends, but I've been following you since
Speaker 3: like early early early days, and I've actually even seen
Speaker 3: you live and stuff. Oh I think i've even called
Speaker 3: in like five plus years ago. I can't remember exactly
Speaker 3: what we were talking about, but I said something about
Speaker 3: my mommy kisses, my boo boos. I don't remember the context,
Speaker 3: but yeah, So you're somebody who I definitely respect artistically
Speaker 3: as someone that fucking tried it, man, and for better
Speaker 3: or worse. I mean, I don't know your whole life,
Speaker 3: but it seems like you found some success and some
Speaker 3: self worth in it, and I think as artists, that's
Speaker 3: what we're all really striving for.
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate those kind words. I have multiple questions Okay, wait,
Speaker 2: what's a swing shift.
Speaker 3: That's like basically the second shift of the day. So
Speaker 3: like when most people working nine to five or you know,
Speaker 3: up until three pm, that would be like the relief shift.
Speaker 3: So I'd be working from three in the afternoon to
Speaker 3: some days past midnight.
Speaker 2: Okay, how many days a week?
Speaker 3: You five? My days off would be Fridays and Saturdays.
Speaker 3: But this is going to be a very demanding job,
Speaker 3: like they've already like alluded to me, like picking up
Speaker 3: shifts for other people. So another kind of thing about
Speaker 3: it is where I moved in this city, traffic is
Speaker 3: a really big problem. And while this place is fifteen
Speaker 3: sixteen miles away from my house, through traffic, it's like
Speaker 3: an hour and ten minutes.
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, so you've got to add two whole hours
Speaker 2: onto your lighte onto this thing.
Speaker 3: Everye day yep. And then I get home at like
Speaker 3: one two am, fall asleep, probably wake up at ten am,
Speaker 3: take a shower, and do all that shit again. Now,
Speaker 3: I will say, though, the money is good, and with
Speaker 3: over time it makes it even better.
Speaker 2: How good.
Speaker 3: Fixes all my financial problems?
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 3: A single mail with no kids. Pretty good, so I
Speaker 3: don't have any real responsibilities to anybody about myself right now, swag,
Speaker 3: it is kind of okay.
Speaker 2: I have more, I have more, I have more questions.
Speaker 3: I have more questions, I have more answers.
Speaker 2: Uh you what what arts did you move out here
Speaker 2: to do?
Speaker 3: Primarily music? But I've taken a lot of interest in
Speaker 3: film and screenwriting. I consider myself like a songwriter, but
Speaker 3: I make a lot of hip hop style music.
Speaker 2: Okay, so music and film. Yeah, And this is and
Speaker 2: this play and this major West coast city that you
Speaker 2: moved to. Where did you move there from.
Speaker 3: Another major northern California city?
Speaker 2: Okay? And this major West coast I'm trying not to
Speaker 2: out myself. This major West coast city wouldn't happen to
Speaker 2: be Los Angeles? Would it?
Speaker 3: If it was, it would make a difference. It's a
Speaker 3: big place where a lot of famous people will come.
Speaker 3: I'll say that.
Speaker 4: You can just say if you're not gonna okay, all right,
Speaker 4: I moved from the Bay to l A. There it is, okay, Jesus,
Speaker 4: it doesn't hold on, hold on, hold on, it doesn't
Speaker 4: have this does not have to be.
Speaker 2: You're not the only way there's there's nobody's gonna.
Speaker 3: Find I'll tell you. I'll tell you why, because I
Speaker 3: do have like friends and close people that do listen
Speaker 3: to your show that I don't fill one hundred percent
Speaker 3: comfortable sharing all my personal issues with.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: Now you, on the other hand, I'm.
Speaker 2: A complete stranger. I'm a complete stranger with thousands of
Speaker 2: other complete strangers who are happy to Okay, So you
Speaker 2: moved the Bay. So you moved from SF to So
Speaker 2: you moved from a very okay Sacramento. Okay, it's a
Speaker 2: different story.
Speaker 3: Hmm. What's I lived? I lived a lot and did
Speaker 3: a lot of music things in Oakland, San Francisco, Sacramentos
Speaker 3: where I lived, but a lot of my connections are
Speaker 3: based in northern California. Okay, and you moved, so I'm
Speaker 3: starting all over again.
Speaker 2: Okay, Here's what I understand. Here's what I want to
Speaker 2: talk about, is why did you? Okay, the idea that
Speaker 2: you need to be in a certain location for a
Speaker 2: certain kind of career in the arts is not I don't.
Speaker 2: I believe. I'm strongly, strongly against it.
Speaker 3: I could agree with that. Actually, so my ultimate goal
Speaker 3: isn't to be locked down the one place.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, so why did you intentionally move to a
Speaker 2: place where the cost of living? Why did you intend
Speaker 2: if you have all these financial problems, why did you
Speaker 2: intentionally move to a place that will be an even
Speaker 2: harder strain on your finances?
Speaker 3: Well, to be honest, I actually looked up and where
Speaker 3: I'm at right now, I'm paying significantly less per month
Speaker 3: than I was up in Sacramento, and so it's not
Speaker 3: like I have a bunch of issues. And to be
Speaker 3: even more honest, my bills are paid, which is another
Speaker 3: factor of this, Like for the next two to three months,
Speaker 3: my bills are paid, but there's no income, you know,
Speaker 3: which is kind of like why, I'm like, fuck, do
Speaker 3: I need to just I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 3: I'm just getting momentum right now, you know, getting my
Speaker 3: feet planted in like the actual art scene, and again,
Speaker 3: got some cool opportunities, and it just be so weird
Speaker 3: to be like so in people's face and start having
Speaker 3: this momentum and then all of a sudden, I'm just gone,
Speaker 3: you know, not just to other people, but to me
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're having you're actually getting good opportunities in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles because you're in Los Angeles because I don't know.
Speaker 2: I might be eating my words, but I don't.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I mean it's hit or miss.
Speaker 3: You know. I came down here with a bit of
Speaker 3: a plan and the rest have just been winging it
Speaker 3: and getting really lucky. And yeah, it's been good. I've
Speaker 3: been meeting really talented people and like minded individuals and
Speaker 3: you know, my healthy share of fucking weirdos that you know,
Speaker 3: aren't about what they're talking about. But it's a good
Speaker 3: balance right now, and it's something that I feel like
Speaker 3: I could work with. But there's still like that one
Speaker 3: factor kind of missing. You know, at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, we all got to eat.
Speaker 2: And so obviously this is a very demanding job and.
Speaker 3: It is like fifty sixty hours a week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think crazy, And it would it be taking
Speaker 2: away from time that like, like I assume you want
Speaker 2: to be like outperforming doing events and shit, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which entertainment now hours are pretty much or to midnight,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, well let me say this. Let me ask
Speaker 2: you this. The people that you're meeting in this scene,
Speaker 2: what do they do? Where do they work?
Speaker 3: A lot of them, A lot of folks out here
Speaker 3: have multiple jobs, you know, they bounce around, they have
Speaker 3: or they have their own side hustles. And yeah, a
Speaker 3: lot of like multiple job ask people out here, because
Speaker 3: I mean that's kind of what it takes if you're
Speaker 3: not going to get a normy job. M hm.
Speaker 2: So wait, this job that you've got, is it a
Speaker 2: normy it's a normal job, right.
Speaker 3: It's for a major corporate company that I'm definitely not
Speaker 3: going to name having to do with specimen collection. I'll
Speaker 3: just say it like that.
Speaker 2: You work for a Come company.
Speaker 3: Among other specimens. I think Come is one of the
Speaker 3: things I might have to pick up now with my end.
Speaker 3: Luckily I don't work for them, Yeah I should. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's call it Come Corp for sake of continuity.
Speaker 2: So you have not yet accepted the job at Comcorp.
Speaker 3: No, I just got the offer this morning, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And it's very good money. And you've applied to a
Speaker 2: billion other places and none of them accepted. And you've
Speaker 2: been how long have you been in how long have
Speaker 2: you been in Los Angeles?
Speaker 3: For about a month and a half.
Speaker 2: Okay, And it's been good to you so far, so far,
Speaker 2: so good. Well, and you know, I I have a
Speaker 2: lot of thoughts about this because I don't know how.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know that the job search, I know,
Speaker 2: like the the job market sucks shit everywhere, but I'm
Speaker 2: also like, you know, I don't know if it sucks
Speaker 2: more shit in Los Angeles because it's Los Angeles. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: you got the go ahead and work the job for
Speaker 2: a little bit, right, especially if it's good money and
Speaker 2: you can kind of stack a little bit, right. But
Speaker 2: I'll here's what I'll say that. Here's here's my thoughts
Speaker 2: is if you work this job for like you know, one, two, three,
Speaker 2: four or five, six months or whatever, and you're stacking
Speaker 2: good bread, but you're also like, oh fuck, I came
Speaker 2: out here to like do this music stuff and I'm
Speaker 2: just like, no, I just can't do it with this job.
Speaker 2: Then I think you go, like, all right, where what
Speaker 2: about like uh, Seattle or Baltimore or Austin or Portland
Speaker 2: or fucking anyway any other you could because he's the thing. Man,
Speaker 2: It's like the whole dream of like I went with
Speaker 2: my guitar to a Los Angeles, it's just not there
Speaker 2: anymore because everything's like yeah, because everything's on the internet, right,
Speaker 2: So yeah, you could so like go to a go
Speaker 2: to it. You can go to any major city in
Speaker 2: the US or abroad and they'll have like a music
Speaker 2: scene of some kind. Like it didn't have to be
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. So if if this is the only, if
Speaker 2: the only jobs you can find at Los Angeles are
Speaker 2: you know, seventy hours a week at come Corp, then
Speaker 2: you know, stack your come. But then I open your
Speaker 2: options up. That's what it won't be my come.
Speaker 3: I'm stacking. But I kept your meeting.
Speaker 2: What'd your what did your friends say?
Speaker 3: I spoke to a I have an older friend that like,
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways we have crossover. He's like
Speaker 3: twenty years older than me. But back in the nineties,
Speaker 3: he had a really good opportunity and all he had
Speaker 3: to do was move to LA and he didn't take it.
Speaker 3: And he's still really really good at what he does,
Speaker 3: you know, but I know that, like sometimes he might
Speaker 3: wonder what his life would have looked like had he
Speaker 3: made it, you know, different decisions.
Speaker 2: What was the opportunity that he didn't take in Los Angeles?
Speaker 3: He had he was inside of a hip hop group
Speaker 3: that had a little bit of traction in the nineties,
Speaker 3: and he was offered a development deal with a group
Speaker 3: of people, you know, his group, and I guess he
Speaker 3: was like the odd man out and he stayed in
Speaker 3: northern California and they went on and found varying levels
Speaker 3: of success. But like that was they're kind of like,
Speaker 3: I don't know that that thing that we're all waiting for,
Speaker 3: the person that's going to pluck you out of obscurity.
Speaker 3: He had that opportunity and he didn't take it. And
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I have that opportunity, but I just
Speaker 3: I also been feeling like this incredible pressure of something's
Speaker 3: about to happen.
Speaker 2: Well, you do have that opportunity, but that but that
Speaker 2: opportunity is going to be a computer algorithm more than
Speaker 2: it is like a person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe maybe you're right.
Speaker 2: It's just the way that shit works.
Speaker 3: Now everybody's been calling it the La handshakes, just changing instagrams.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, but that's all like kind of bullshit.
Speaker 2: I mean that's good. That stuff is good for, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that's all bullshit. That stuff is good for
Speaker 2: like you want to have friends and you want to
Speaker 2: be around other people or else to go insane, but
Speaker 2: it's not gonna like do anything for your career. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've learned. I've learned I have learned over the course
Speaker 2: of navigating whatever career I've had doing this. Actually, actually
Speaker 2: that's not It's not entirely true. I have I have
Speaker 2: a few key like business relationships that are like insanely
Speaker 2: helpful for me. Most of the rest of them are like,
Speaker 2: you know, uh, not that import I only there's like
Speaker 2: there's like a few people like business wise that have
Speaker 2: been really helpful, but most of that most of the time,
Speaker 2: you know, what I've learned is that, like I think
Speaker 2: I used to think that like it like some some
Speaker 2: like manager or something that comes and that gives you success.
Speaker 2: But your continued success in any kind of creative industry
Speaker 2: is going to come as a result of the things
Speaker 2: that you're making, not people. You know, So I think
Speaker 2: people like no, like, knowing certain people and having certain
Speaker 2: folks in your corner can be super helpful for like
Speaker 2: elevating you and doing other things. But at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, it's like you gotta make. It's about
Speaker 2: the stuff you're making. So yeah, and you can make
Speaker 2: stuff from anywhere on the planet, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I started doing this for in I thought about this
Speaker 2: a lot because I started doing this in the suburbs
Speaker 2: of Baltimore. You know, I didn't start doing this in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles or New York. You know. I'm I and
Speaker 2: Eve and even the people that I met that like
Speaker 2: when I like those business relationships I was talking about,
Speaker 2: those are people I met online. Oh there's people I
Speaker 2: met on the internet too, you know, so like they're
Speaker 2: not people I met at Like I have friends that
Speaker 2: I've met at like things I do in person, But
Speaker 2: in terms of like any kind of like people that
Speaker 2: have helped me out with with building a career, they've
Speaker 2: all been I can't think of a single person like
Speaker 2: that that I had that I met in person. I
Speaker 2: met all those people again in my mom's basement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and me too. I definitely have had like lasting
Speaker 3: friendships and business relationships even to this day. Part of
Speaker 3: the reason I came down here is like some of
Speaker 3: my bid my strongest relationships are down here, and so
Speaker 3: to some extent I wanted more proximity with them. But
Speaker 3: one thing that is worth mentioning is that my music
Speaker 3: and the art that I express has a a really
Speaker 3: big performance artist aspect to it, and strangely, I've gotten
Speaker 3: a lot of like a lot of opportunities just from
Speaker 3: people liking me on stage. You know, I'm not sitting
Speaker 3: here saying that I got this, you know, the hardest
Speaker 3: bars and like the best mixing and all these things.
Speaker 3: But you know I kind of have without tooting my
Speaker 3: own horm, I kind of win people over and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've gotten some really big opportunities just by showing up,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, but there's but there again, you know,
Speaker 2: there's stages all over the place. You know, you can
Speaker 2: get there's stages in all all the other cities that
Speaker 2: I mentioned. You know, there's really good. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give a shout I'm going to give a shout out.
Speaker 2: I'm going to give a shout out to someone i've
Speaker 2: never I've never met her, but I think we follow
Speaker 2: each other on the internet. There's this comedian she I
Speaker 2: think she's Japanese or she lives in Japan. Her name
Speaker 2: is Yuri A. Collins, and I follow her on Instagram
Speaker 2: and her career is really interesting because I think she like,
Speaker 2: she lives in Tokyo, where there's not a shout out.
Speaker 2: The Tokyo Comedy Bar. Uh, they're great, but they're the
Speaker 2: only game in town. You know, people don't move to
Speaker 2: Tokyo to to become big comedy stars. But you know,
Speaker 2: this woman, Yuria, she like started building an online presence
Speaker 2: through may I think mainly through you know, clips and
Speaker 2: whatnot that she put out by performing at this one
Speaker 2: place in fucking Tokyo. And I've and it's been cool
Speaker 2: to see her on social media, like building a career
Speaker 2: living in a place that wasn't meant to be like
Speaker 2: the big you know, it's not living in a place
Speaker 2: where people don't go to start their careers. And you know,
Speaker 2: as someone who again started a career in a place
Speaker 2: that's not a big major city.
Speaker 3: That's working remote, that's very impressive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. I mean it's well, but she's performing
Speaker 2: and I'm and I'm bringing her up and I bring
Speaker 2: this stuff up to bring up that you know, you
Speaker 2: can also have a performance based career that doesn't have
Speaker 2: to necessarily be in a New York or LA or
Speaker 2: or in Nashville or whatever the fuck. But anyway, and
Speaker 2: I don't And it's like it feels glaringly obvious to me,
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's caught on to a lot
Speaker 2: of people yet, who are trying to do stuff. What's
Speaker 2: your name again, Tyler? Tyler? Tyler, Tyler, Tyler, Tyler Will
Speaker 2: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 2: people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 1: Hi?
Speaker 3: Mom about it?
Speaker 2: Tyler forever? All right, brother, have a good day. Yeah
Speaker 2: that was Tyler. I hope people are enjoying these conversations
Speaker 2: about career and life and stuff. That is a tough
Speaker 2: thing because like, yeah, there's some jobs that are just
Speaker 2: fucking all encompassing, you know. And then it's like I
Speaker 2: used to back when I went out to open MIC's
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia and stuff. I used to meet people and
Speaker 2: I used to be like, uh, how are you alive?
Speaker 2: The New York and LA are the capital of be
Speaker 2: of Like you go to some like artsy thing or someplace,
Speaker 2: and you're like, how are you alive? How do you
Speaker 2: afford to eat food and live and stuff? But I
Speaker 2: guess they figure it out. I don't know. Hello, Hi, Hi,
Speaker 2: what's your name? I'm Deja Desia. What's going on, Desia?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, just on a walk right now, hanging out.
Speaker 5: I texted you was walking my dog earlier, but now
Speaker 5: it's just me anyway. I don't know, I uh I
Speaker 5: just lost my job, and so that's always fun. I'm
Speaker 5: kind of in a weird spot right now where I
Speaker 5: don't know, I feel like, uh, I've had a lot
Speaker 5: of like stability that I've never felt before the last
Speaker 5: like five years, and now suddenly it all kind of
Speaker 5: feels like I'm on the cusp of like things changing
Speaker 5: completely for me, and I don't know what direction or
Speaker 5: how it's going to go. But it's just, uh, I
Speaker 5: don't know, in a weird limbo right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you texted me, and you said that
Speaker 2: things are about to change forever and you're or that
Speaker 2: they're about to change drastically and you're spooked about it.
Speaker 2: Is that primarily the driven by the job loss, or
Speaker 2: is there like other stuff happening?
Speaker 5: Other stuff? For sure, I've been like working on building
Speaker 5: a business for the last year or so with my
Speaker 5: cousin for I do interior design. And then also I
Speaker 5: think the scariest part is I'm pretty sure my like
Speaker 5: long term partner and I are gonna split up soon.
Speaker 5: So it's just kind of a lot of things at once, you.
Speaker 2: Know, mm hmmm. How are things going with the business
Speaker 2: that you've been building, well.
Speaker 5: I'm in school still, and then I was also working.
Speaker 5: So it's just mostly been like, you know, whenever I
Speaker 5: have free time, meeting up doing a lot of back
Speaker 5: end stuff. But I do have my first paying client,
Speaker 5: which I'm very excited about. It is like a friend
Speaker 5: of mine, but it's still something. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: What was the impetus of the job loss?
Speaker 5: So I was a I was a server and a
Speaker 5: manager at a restaurant and the restaurant was open for
Speaker 5: thirteen years, and then I was there for almost five
Speaker 5: and they gave us four days notice to tell us
Speaker 5: that they were closing the restaurant. So we all kind
Speaker 5: of got laid off out of nowhere, which was pretty shitty.
Speaker 2: What's going on with your partner?
Speaker 5: See, that's the big one.
Speaker 2: That's the big one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's all big, but it's just,
Speaker 5: you know, that is something I've been I don't know,
Speaker 5: a little avoidant of because I don't exactly have the
Speaker 5: financial freedom. We live together, so it's not like I'm
Speaker 5: in like a shitty abusive relationship or anything, which I'm
Speaker 5: thankful for, but it's just kind of I don't know.
Speaker 5: We've been together three and a half years. We moved
Speaker 5: in together after knowing each other for like a couple months,
Speaker 5: and it was just like a relationship, like just never
Speaker 5: experienced anything like that before. And I don't know, I
Speaker 5: think we're just you know, the classic growing apart just
Speaker 5: kind of feels like, I don't know, I feel like
Speaker 5: I have a like this reoccurring lesson in my life
Speaker 5: that I keep having to learn over and over again,
Speaker 5: and every time I learn it, I think I'm good,
Speaker 5: and then something else comes to like push that line
Speaker 5: back a little. So that makes sense.
Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I'm familiar with
Speaker 2: the reoccurring lesson that one thinks they have learned the Nah,
Speaker 2: they actually haven't. They they one and they meaning me
Speaker 2: and I. So what's the lesson that you feel like
Speaker 2: you keep learning.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it boils down to boundaries. But
Speaker 5: I think that I don't know. I had a let's say,
Speaker 5: a difficult childhood. My parents were young, shouldn't have had kids,
Speaker 5: had a lot of kids, had a lot of drugs.
Speaker 5: So I think that a lesson that I had to
Speaker 5: learn when I was like no, no, no, eighteen nineteen was
Speaker 5: I guess what unconditional love means to me? And you know,
Speaker 5: knowing how learning how to like love someone from afar
Speaker 5: if they're not, if having them close to you isn't
Speaker 5: you know, beneficial or even neutral, So if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like this guy was kind of mmm pushing
Speaker 2: your boundaries in some sense or like there was a
Speaker 2: sense of like, oh, I still love this person, but
Speaker 2: I have I gotta do it from afar.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, so I think that. I don't know, I think,
Speaker 5: like I said, like, the first time I learned this lesson,
Speaker 5: it was like dramatic, very clear lines, like you can't
Speaker 5: have your homeless dad sleeping in your front yard. You
Speaker 5: got it, fucking you know, set some boundaries here and
Speaker 5: then so on and so forth, and just little shit
Speaker 5: like that. And it feels like every time I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm good, I'm in a healthy relationship, things have gone well.
Speaker 5: I've been very happy the last few years. But now
Speaker 5: it's like obviously less dramatic things that I'm learning, Okay,
Speaker 5: well this needs to be a boundary too. So it's
Speaker 5: just weird going from like such a dramatic version of
Speaker 5: that and like feeling freed from that, Like I don't know,
Speaker 5: from the feeling of I don't know, do you. I
Speaker 5: don't know do you learn trying to say uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the first time you learn a lesson, it's
Speaker 2: very in your face and you're very yeah, it's very
Speaker 2: like obvious the first time you learn the lesson, like yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, you can't let your dad sleep in a
Speaker 2: tent on your lawn. And then when you learn the
Speaker 2: lesson again, it kind of like a frog and boiling
Speaker 2: water and it's a little bit trickier and you're like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, I didn't even realize that I was, you know,
Speaker 2: I thought that when I thought when I learned, I
Speaker 2: thought that learning a lesson means that my brain and
Speaker 2: body naturally chart waters in a different way. I didn't
Speaker 2: realize it meant I have to actually do different thing.
Speaker 2: I have to actively make different decisions. That fucking sucks.
Speaker 2: That's annoying. I thought. I thought it was like an
Speaker 2: I thought I'm like a Pokemon learning a new move
Speaker 2: or something like that. I didn't realize I have to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to have to do any fucking work. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a Yeah, life's annoying like that. Yeah, lessons are
Speaker 2: annoying like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and not not even really in the sense that
Speaker 5: like you know that I I've I have done a
Speaker 5: lot of work. I'm not saying you were saying I wasn't,
Speaker 5: but so it's like even more annoying to like put
Speaker 5: in a ton of like like I dropped out of
Speaker 5: school for a few years so that I could like focus.
Speaker 2: On like.
Speaker 5: Getting my shit together, and so like earlier when I
Speaker 5: was saying, like, this is like the first time I've
Speaker 5: kind of had stability, because I, like I've worked really
Speaker 5: hard to get that sus stability, and you know, I've
Speaker 5: got like my own place, my own job, got dog cat,
Speaker 5: lovely little life, and now suddenly I'm in this place
Speaker 5: of comfort and it's not so comfortable anymore. So it's
Speaker 5: just like even even more frustrating to like put in
Speaker 5: all that work to get to a spot where, like
Speaker 5: I thought I wanted to be m h and it's
Speaker 5: not not working out in the way that I had hoped.
Speaker 2: So, I I guess, if we're learning this lesson again,
Speaker 2: what does it what does it look like? Like? Like
Speaker 2: so the I mean the place of stability that you've
Speaker 2: been in for the past five years, Like, did you
Speaker 2: have any qualms about it?
Speaker 5: I don't know I'm no. I mean, I'm I'm like
Speaker 5: overall pretty positive person. I try not to, you know,
Speaker 5: I don't know. No, I mean, it's not no short
Speaker 5: answer no.
Speaker 2: Okay. So you liked your you liked your life, and
Speaker 2: it was kind of so you liked your life as
Speaker 2: it was, and then things happened to rock the boat.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, so okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think, like, particularly with the relationship, it's not like
Speaker 5: there's been like a dramatic change or anything that's like different.
Speaker 5: It's just kind of, you know, I don't know if
Speaker 5: you've been in like a I wouldn't even I don't
Speaker 5: know if i'd called three years long term, but some.
Speaker 2: People call three years long term.
Speaker 5: Okay, But in like a longer term relationship, there's your issues,
Speaker 5: You start to bickery, you start to argue, and then
Speaker 5: it's your job to figure out how to not do
Speaker 5: that if you want to, you know, be happy. So
Speaker 5: I think it's just a lot of little things and
Speaker 5: sort of slowly realizing that like the person I'm with,
Speaker 5: even though I like I love them with my whole being,
Speaker 5: it's just not supporting me in the ways that I like,
Speaker 5: see myself needing support if we were to continue on
Speaker 5: for however many years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't want to be all toxic positivity
Speaker 2: on you. I don't because it sounds like this all
Speaker 2: like happening kind of immediately. But I think the good
Speaker 2: news and I really can only speak from like my
Speaker 2: own personal life experiences that like in times in which
Speaker 2: like there's been transitional periods and things have been uncertain
Speaker 2: and foundations have been rocked. Uh, it's made. It's why
Speaker 2: it sucks, it's it's really Yeah, it's really bad. But
Speaker 2: at least in my life, I've always I've always found
Speaker 2: my way to get back to something, and so I
Speaker 2: feel pretty confident that it's possible that when the foundations
Speaker 2: are rocked, that there's something on the other side of it.
Speaker 2: So I think there's something on the other side of it.
Speaker 2: It's basically what I'm trying to say, not to be
Speaker 2: all toxic positivity about it. You know, there's a grief
Speaker 2: to be grieved, but you know it's cool. I mean,
Speaker 2: there'll be a new there's new people, there's new places,
Speaker 2: there's new things to set up shop. Last I was
Speaker 2: freaking out last night. I was thinking about uh, just
Speaker 2: I get anxious, and I always think about ways in
Speaker 2: which the foundations of my life could be rocked, and
Speaker 2: then I think about ways in which I could fix them.
Speaker 2: And then the day go by and at some point
Speaker 2: I die. But until then, it's like, all right, We'll
Speaker 2: be in whatever I am until I'm not in it anymore,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is helpful in any way shape or form.
Speaker 2: Sounds like kind of nonsense.
Speaker 5: No, I mean, no, absolutely, I'm definitely. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I try to, you know, focus on my foundations that
Speaker 5: are uh, I don't know. I think the people in
Speaker 5: my life. I try to view more as like the
Speaker 5: foundations of my life rather than like, you know, where
Speaker 5: I live, what job I have. Yeah, of course, I
Speaker 5: think like my family and my friends are just like
Speaker 5: the most important and I, you know, I still get
Speaker 5: those guys. So I'm not like, I'm not freaking out necessarily.
Speaker 5: I just kind of know that this change is coming,
Speaker 5: and I know it is going to probably suck for
Speaker 5: a little bit. But I I'm confident that, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm capable. I've you know, dug myself out of worseholes,
Speaker 5: So I'm not I'm not worried about thinks that people
Speaker 5: should be worried about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well take that out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And by the way, and by the way, you earned
Speaker 2: you earned that, just so you know, you earned that ship,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, you are. You earned. The reason why,
Speaker 2: the reason why you're not worried about things that people
Speaker 2: should be worried about is because you earned through your
Speaker 2: own actions and decisions throughout your life. You built yourself
Speaker 2: into the kind of person that doesn't need to worry
Speaker 2: about those things because you got it. So you whatever
Speaker 2: confidence you have for the future, it's uh, it's don't
Speaker 2: trick yourself into believing it's foolish. You know, it's something
Speaker 2: you earned, or else you wouldn't have it. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: my that's my therapy, geckoing of that. What's your name again,
Speaker 2: Deja Desia? Is there any other way in which I
Speaker 2: can be helpful to this conversation? You know?
Speaker 5: Not that not that I'm aware of. I know everyone
Speaker 5: says this when they get on, but I'm a big fan.
Speaker 5: Been listening for a while.
Speaker 2: Thank you in Phoenix.
Speaker 5: So this is oh talk to you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah? Did you were you at the one where
Speaker 2: the guy hit someone with his car?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: Like actually or told a story about it.
Speaker 2: Well, he told the story. He's told a story about it.
Speaker 2: He didn't do it out in the parking lot or
Speaker 2: anything like that.
Speaker 5: I don't truly don't really remember. I was the most
Speaker 5: recent one you were here for. I think there's like
Speaker 5: a girl tired about her stepdad or something.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that sounds like it sounds good.
Speaker 5: But I had a great time. Went with my brother.
Speaker 2: It was fuck yeah, fuck yah. Is there anything else
Speaker 2: you want to say to the people of the computer
Speaker 2: before we go?
Speaker 5: Oh, okay, I've thought about this. Actually, yeah, this might
Speaker 5: be annoying. You don't have to do this, but I
Speaker 5: just want you to know that that I think that
Speaker 5: you would do a really good Jerry Seinfeld impression.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 5: Fuck, you don't have to do it, but I why
Speaker 5: do you think about that?
Speaker 3: Why do you?
Speaker 2: Why do you? Why do you think I would do
Speaker 2: a really good Jerry Seinfeld impression?
Speaker 5: I don't know something about like when you're in the moment,
Speaker 5: you get a little your voice raises in octave, and
Speaker 5: I think that if you worked on it, you could
Speaker 5: do a really good one.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'll okay, I'll think about that. I'll think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you for letting me, Thank you for giving me
Speaker 2: the com finance to know that I could potentially do something,
Speaker 2: even if that thing is Jerry Seinfeld.
Speaker 5: Anytime.
Speaker 2: Have a good Endigen, all right, you two. No, I
Speaker 2: don't think I'm gonna do it. I don't think i'm
Speaker 2: gonna try. No, I don't think i'm gonna try. I
Speaker 2: don't have a thing. So what does he say? What's
Speaker 2: like one of his jokes? Does anyone know one of
Speaker 2: his jokes? Maybe if I knew one of his No,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think I'm gonna do it. George,
Speaker 2: all right, No, okay, let's end. We're gonna end the podcast. Hello, folks,
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Speaker 6: go to my mom's house and I mentioned that I'm
Speaker 6: looking for engagement rings with her and we're talking about rings,
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