1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: We are back for another episode of What in the Winkler. 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: We're back, We're here, We're with you. Even though my 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: father could not get the name right on MSNBC whatever 5 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: Morning Cup of Joe or whatever. 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: That show is, it's called Morning Joe. 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Whatever, it's called. What in the Winkler? 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 2: What did your dad say? 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: You said, like six different names. 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: Yes, but everybody knew what I meant. 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: They didn't know because it so practice. Again, what is 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: it called? 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: What in the Winkler? 14 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: What is it called? 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: What in the Winkler? 16 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: Say it again? 17 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: What in the Winkler? 18 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: Excellent? So it's our second episode. This is week. 19 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: You are really good. I know I discouraged you from 20 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: being an actress. 21 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: On those years. 22 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: This is different than me. 23 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 3: I'm very happy that I did because you have a 24 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 3: normal life. However, that's right, you really are good energy. 25 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: What she flows like a river. That's the way people 26 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: describe periods. 27 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 3: Dad, really immediately period crazy? 28 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: Would you even know? 29 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: I have said that about people think not so well. 30 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: I have said that about writers that they write like 31 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: a river, and you speak. 32 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: Writing like a river and flowing like a river are 33 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: two different things. 34 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: Well, let me just say that now I've learned. 35 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: What was it flowing like a river? Not by I 36 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: p daily? It was I don't even know what daily daily, 37 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: But it. 38 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 3: Wasn't that because of course, no yellow having a period. 39 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: And oh, this is a great question. I have a 40 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: great question. 41 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: I'm not talking about it. 42 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: If you'd like to know what was the hardest part 43 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: of parenting me? 44 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: Oh, you were so feisty, uh, and you were headstrong, 45 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: and you would make people who worked with us a cry. Okay, 46 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 2: now you are a strong nod. 47 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: Okay, what you just said is unacceptable. 48 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: Why who would I make cry? 49 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 3: That Mark, that adorable guy, Mark who was the only 50 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 3: person I ever knew in my life who actually frosted 51 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: chocolate brownies the way I love them to build. 52 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: It wit because you made him cry? Well that's on Mark, 53 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: because I was seven. 54 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: Do you know what? 55 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. 56 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: But here it is. You have turned into an magnificent adult. 57 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: But you were you were hard. Uh. You you told 58 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: on your brother, you gave nothing, and he nearly uh 59 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: punched you in the face. Health No he did not. 60 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: I helped wanted to throw her down this stair. 61 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: I wasn't going to say that. 62 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happened. Max. 63 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: I didn't know you lied. I I didn't lie. 64 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 2: You didn't lie. 65 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: I didn't lie. I said that Max smoked. 66 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: Pot, just sold your brother around. 67 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: And he tried to throw me down the stairs in 68 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: front of Matt Dines, who has no siblings and was 69 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: for know this is a different story. This is Matt 70 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: Dines and was there and and and Max tried to 71 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: throw me down the stairs? 72 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 2: Did you throw Did you smoke pod? 73 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: No? Never? 74 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: I never, never. 75 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: Never. I don't really like it. It makes me more 76 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: anxious than no. 77 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: You know what. It early on, early in my early years, 78 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: it was a much better experience. 79 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: Is there a moment that we maybe didn't see eye 80 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: to eye? I can know. 81 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: Yesterday, No what ah? No? You were how you would 82 00:03:53,600 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 2: always uh, you would always say no first, and and 83 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: sometimes it was I was able to bring you back. 84 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: I would say no first. 85 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: You would say no. No matter what I what I 86 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: said or Mom said, you would say no. 87 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: That's so cute. 88 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was adorable. 89 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: I love that for me, So it basically sounds like 90 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: I love your parents me gus is me? I think 91 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: and I think that, like I'm now realizing that my 92 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: youngest child is me when I was a child. 93 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what, every child, even though they 94 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: come from the same parents, is like another planet. So 95 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: he has some of you and then he has gustness. 96 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:41,679 Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. 97 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 98 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: Well, I mean you guys were amazing parents. And the 99 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: one thing I mean, you were insane, but the and very. 100 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 2: Strict some of us were. 101 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: But the one thing I would like to say is 102 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: that you guys always let me say whatever was on 103 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: my mind. So like if something was bothering, you would 104 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: let me sort of always come to you with anything. 105 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: And I try to create that same thing for my kids. 106 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. As long as you done, the three of you, 107 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: the three of our children, as long as you did 108 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 2: not lie, there would be no consequence whatsoever. 109 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what you said. You said you always tell 110 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: the truth if you ever need me to come get you, 111 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: no questions. 112 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: Asked, in the middle of the night, whatever. But here 113 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: it is. You know that the way that that came 114 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: from in me because I did not have that growing up. 115 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: I was not able to be heard or seen in 116 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: my house. 117 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: You always said to me, if you don't like it, 118 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: don't do it right. And I think that that's such if. 119 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: You don't, if you don't like the feeling of somebody 120 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: doing something you don't, then don't do it. 121 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: And I think, and but there's so many things that 122 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: you guys have shown me that I've now do with 123 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: my kids, like those those things I you know. 124 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: But then you know what I have to tell you 125 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 2: the truth when I watch you parenting. I have said 126 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: this out loud. If I were a young parent now 127 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 2: watching you being a mother, I would steal how you 128 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 2: do it, and I would do it in my own house. 129 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: I agree, I would do it as a parent. 130 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,559 Speaker 1: Except who would be living in our house? 131 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: No, no, no, if I were a young parent, I'm saying, yeah, 132 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: I would be Yeah, I don't want to go through that. 133 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 3: You have more patients than anyone I have except for me. 134 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 3: Heard no, Yeah, she has way more patience. 135 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 2: That is not even true. 136 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It is as five children, her concern. 137 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: You heard it here first? It is as first. 138 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: I just want to say, I'm taking umbrage. 139 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: I would say the kind of parenting style you guys 140 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: had was strict but fun, like I remember never you know, 141 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: any house I would go to you guys would always 142 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: call first. There were certain houses where there were no 143 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: rules that I was not allowed to go to. 144 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: It's funny, but always invited to our They could always 145 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: sleep over it. 146 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: And if you recall, several moms would come on Saturday 147 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: mornings to pick their daughters up and their daughters hadn't 148 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 3: slept in our house. 149 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: That's true. I remember when that happened. Oh, I got 150 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: in trouble. But it's funny because the other day A 151 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: said to me, my friends think that you always say 152 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: no to everything, And I felt like you guys, but 153 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: I knew that he would thank me one. 154 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: Day without a doubt. This is what I learned that you, 155 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: all of you, all three of you, would rebel, but 156 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: secretly just be so relieved that we took that decision 157 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: away from you. If you didn't feel. 158 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: Cold, I could use it as an excuse. 159 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: Right, Oh, well, my parents you know, but here it 160 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: is a parent if they are parents listening right now. 161 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: Is really important that you are not afraid of your 162 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: child and do what your instinct tells you. 163 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really hard, like especially like on Halloween, Ace 164 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: didn't want to be at our house, which was like 165 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: shocking to me. And he wanted to go out with 166 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: his friends, which I totally understood. And the pickup was 167 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: eleven PM and it's a school night, and I was like, 168 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: I was stayed up at night thinking about it because 169 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: I was like, he cannot stay till eleven. But I 170 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: felt so bad, and he said to me, like, all 171 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: my friends get to do hang all the time. They 172 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: get to hang out on school days. And I started 173 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: to feel bad and then I realized, like I have 174 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: to do this, Like I just have to stick to this. 175 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: What did you stick to? We compromised and we picked 176 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: up at ten, which I felt like was a fair compromise. 177 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: I was just going to say, you were always able 178 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: to help in curfew, and Mama and I would say no, no, no, 179 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: can't live with that, that's too late. What would and 180 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: then we can't? We came together, the three of them 181 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: compromise a compromise, and it works when the child is 182 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: invested in the decision, it really works. Well. 183 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: Who was the first guy I brought over to meet you? Guys? 184 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,359 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. 185 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: Mark, Bob Charles, I don't know. 186 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: There was so many, but wait, oliops was my first date? 187 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: Oh Ollie Oaks? 188 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: I don't remembers, and Olie was my first date. And 189 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: he did he just he did. Nobody wants this. Wow justin' 190 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: he lived near you? 191 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 2: No nobody. But let's talk about that for a minute. 192 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: Max goes to USC. His first roommate out of college 193 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: is Simon Tickman. Simon Tickman, who is like our second 194 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 2: third son, marries Aaron Foster. Aaron Foster has a show 195 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: and you think, oh, that's so nice that she has 196 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: a show, and then you watch it and it is addictive. 197 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: I was obsessed. 198 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: Hire. 199 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: Oh, I watched the entire show on the way home 200 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: from DC. 201 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fantastic. Oh my god, it's really well done. 202 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,119 Speaker 2: I was surprised and delighted. 203 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: You know what was amazing was I got to go 204 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: to Washington, d C. With my parents a few weeks 205 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: ago because my dad got an award at the Smithsonian 206 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: and officiated a wedding and officiated wedding. I wasn't invited 207 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: to the wedding, so I wouldn't know about that, but 208 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: I did get to go to the Smithsonian and it 209 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: was amazing. It was such a cool experience to see 210 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: it and to see you there because your jacket is there. 211 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: The leather jacket from Happy Days is there. As I 212 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: was just like obsessed with all the fans asking you 213 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: questions there were At the end you did a Q 214 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: and a. 215 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: That's right and one of my favors. 216 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: It was the best thing I thought it was, so 217 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: I cried. I thought it was amazing. 218 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 3: You know, it was very touching when you see and 219 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 3: believe me, I'm not blowing smoke. 220 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: No anyone. I have never done that. 221 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 3: Well, not as far as regarding our family dynamic, that's 222 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 3: not a piece of it. It's a smokeless dynamic. But 223 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: the point is the point is that people love you 224 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: so much and as impatient as I used to get 225 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: just from trying to like say so, where are and 226 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 3: that would be the end of my sentence because people 227 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 3: would be kind of coming and going at all times. 228 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: It is such a blessing and it is something that 229 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 3: you've done with humility and courtesy and kindness and generosity. 230 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 3: And I remember it from as long ago as the 231 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 3: first time we went to New York and we were 232 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: walking home from theater or something. 233 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: We were in maybe uh. 234 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 3: Different neighborhoods, dicey neighborhoods around the world, wherever. But I 235 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 3: never for once felt anyone be anything other than kind 236 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: to you. 237 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: Because you It is a gift, I must say. 238 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: I am so kind to them. And yes, but you 239 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: know what genuine really is a circle. 240 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: If they weren't there, I would not be a professional now. 241 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: But that was. But not everybody. Not everybody treats their 242 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: fans like that now. 243 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 3: But that was one of the most important lessons. And 244 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 3: that was a very important lesson that you taught me 245 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: and that we in turn taught. 246 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: The kids, because if you did not have respect for 247 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: those people, It's true. 248 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: It was. 249 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: It was so amazing watching that. 250 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: So one question that I never ask is what religion 251 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: are you? What is your political bent? It is just 252 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: I get this enormous human form, human to human. I 253 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 2: am so just. I'm just filled with gratitude. 254 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: I was thinking, was it ever different that I was 255 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: the only daughter out of the three boys, the two boys, 256 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: But I guess I. 257 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: Never thought of that I'm the only girl. No, just 258 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 2: you know what, I will say, News flash. 259 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: She's the only girl. 260 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: You know, I run this I thought that for the 261 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 2: longest time. That is true. You do run the ship. 262 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: You are very organized. 263 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: I have to say you would say, suld being another daughter, 264 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: she'd be dead. 265 00:13:51,920 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: Boom soutero. That is not true. I will say that 266 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: I Max is your favorite. We all know that, but 267 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: I come in a close second. 268 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: That's not fair. 269 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: It's Zoey. He's the baby. He's the baby. 270 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: No, not the favorite, He's just the best. 271 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: You guys find him easier, you say. 272 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: Oh, in every way, he's the most difficult person. I 273 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: so wise. 274 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: I can't tell if you're joke Zoe. 275 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this one more time. MAX time for bed, okay, 276 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 3: Max time to get up for school? Okay, Zoe, time 277 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: for bed. No, you said to me that I could stay. 278 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: I just want to remind you he discussed this with 279 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: my therapist when you said this to me when I 280 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: was seven, and I don't feel the need to relive it. 281 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: It's very painful for me. 282 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: Oh well, let's move on. 283 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: Then, Well, then let's discuss this now. 284 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: Women, I want to hear what she said when you 285 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: said time to get up for school, Shoe time to 286 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: get up for school. 287 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: Each was as though I was arguing with one. 288 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: Of the best lawyers. 289 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,479 Speaker 3: Lawyers ever that way she takes after her ribe. 290 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: You guys should have had me go to law school, 291 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: I would have been great. I would have been a lawyer. 292 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: No, if you, if you could have gotten in, it 293 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: would have been great. 294 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: If you had gone like mass to go to the 295 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: law school, that would have been is. Through my first 296 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: year of college, I roy classes except for one. 297 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: What was it public speaking? 298 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: And I got an a oh, but I dropped every 299 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: other class. 300 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: Well, wait a minute, what was Swedish entertainment? 301 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: No it was not that. It was called Hans Christian 302 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: Anderson and I was all about fairy tales. 303 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but wouldn't you just sit and watch movies for 304 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: the year. 305 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: I don't even remember that I dropped it. I never went. 306 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: Max took a class in the Beatles, you know what? 307 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: And I want to say something. I drove him to 308 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 2: the Rose Bowl wants to watch USC play ball football, 309 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: and he told me all these details about the lyrics 310 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: and about each Beatle, and I thought, this is a 311 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: great class. I wish I had taken it. I met 312 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: Paul once. Paul, if you're listening, I would like you 313 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: to answer the phone. 314 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: Is he Let's hope he is. We are. Nobody call him. 315 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: Somebody's got to know him. Someone call He gave me 316 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: his phone number fifty years ago. I called it for 317 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: twenty four hours. 318 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: That not give you a sentilla of a hint that 319 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 3: he gave you his phone number fifty years ago. And 320 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 3: it was not the number. 321 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: Wrong. 322 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: He could have written it wrong. 323 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: He could he could be he could be dislike it. Oh, 324 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: you're right, But anyway, if you're listening, could you call 325 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: me back? 326 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: My god, there's a question that but someone asked me, 327 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: and it was, what is one piece of advice that 328 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: you've given me that is stuck with me? And there 329 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: are so many. One is the people that you meet 330 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: on the way up are the people that you meet 331 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: on the way down right? That is definitely stuck with me. 332 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: Apparently not with our friend who quit because I was 333 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: a nightmare at six. And the other one is such 334 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: a waste if you will it, it is not a dream. 335 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was I got it in fan mail 336 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: as a gift and what I really realized, no joke. 337 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: This planet spins on that, on that axiom. If you 338 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 2: know what you want without ambivalence, without a doubt, and 339 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: you just keep working toward it, there is no reason 340 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: you cannot live your dream like I am living mine. 341 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: It's amazing. 342 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was also said. You know when it was said. 343 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: It was said at the birth of Israel. 344 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: So if I could give if we could give dad 345 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: a lifetime achievement award for something that he does around 346 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: the house, what would it be? I know what my 347 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: answer would be, what would yours be? 348 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 2: Everything? 349 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 3: He can find anything? Oh, yeah, but anything is lost. 350 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 3: To find anything, literally if he's not in the house, Yeah, 351 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: he will go up to my office, stand in front 352 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 3: of my disk, facing the front, not the side, face 353 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 3: the front. Take your left hand, put it up to 354 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 3: the second from the last shelf. 355 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: Did you find it? Yes? Always? So Also, what would 356 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: we think is like, what would you be? I just 357 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: said you can find anything? That both of you said 358 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: you can find anything. You are a good organizer. You're 359 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: a great dog poop cleaner, you. 360 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: Organize, an excellent mediator. I'm a good mediator. 361 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: Excellent mediator. A little a little long in the chat. 362 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 3: No, he's good, perfect, he's good. 363 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: Look at this. 364 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 3: Where did the mediation Jeane just suddenly jump out of 365 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: your body. 366 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: He is good immediating. He's the immediate between you and I. 367 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 2: You know what, it was complicated. 368 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: We're both very strong. 369 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 2: They're both very strong. 370 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: I get my strength from this bitch over here. 371 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 2: And the two of them would get into it, and 372 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 2: I had to find the scene. I had to find 373 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 2: the little hole in the dam that I could squeeze through, 374 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: like Mercury. 375 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: You did a good job of it. 376 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: You know. One was angry that I spoke to the other. 377 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 3: So it would like have speed dial. And so it 378 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 3: was all about who got to Daddy thing I always did, 379 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 3: except I happened to be his wife and she happened 380 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 3: to be his daughter. 381 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: It's funny because you know, now Ace calls me immediately 382 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: and never and when Rob and so, like the other 383 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: day they got into something over like his his grades 384 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: or something and Ace and Rob was like, and I'm 385 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: talking to you, you don't need to call your mom, And 386 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: of course, like Ace exits the car, and then I 387 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: get like ten phone calls from Ace like Dad's really mad, 388 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: that's really mad, that's really mad. And then I come 389 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: down from like the assembly at the lower school, and 390 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: Ace had pe at the lower school, and Ace is 391 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: right here in my face. Did you get my did 392 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: you get my text? Dad's mad at me? Dad's mad 393 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: at me? And then I was like, oh my God, this. 394 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 2: Is the But I want to just say to the 395 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: world that it is true. You are my wife, and 396 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: I'm lucky. It is true that you are my It's 397 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: not about luxcuse me just in the middle of a sty. 398 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: It's about having good form. 399 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: No, no, I don't think that here is my form. 400 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: This is my form. 401 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: We're listening. 402 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 2: My daughter calls me crying and really upset. I'm on 403 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: set on a terrible movie in Montana. 404 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: Well that was your choice, it was my choice. 405 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 2: And I would do it again, buddy. But the thing 406 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 2: is that my daughter would call. I'm not not going 407 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: to take my daughter's call. I'm not not going to. 408 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 3: My wife would call crying while you were on a 409 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 3: terrible movie in Montana. 410 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: And I would always take that call too. 411 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: You would get it. He would get off the phone 412 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: with me to talk to you. Oh not so true, 413 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: but oh same true. 414 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 2: But I'd like to finish thought. I'd like to finish 415 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 2: the thought. I will always take my daughter's call, but 416 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: I would That does not mean that I am selling 417 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 2: my wife out. I am listening to my daughter, calming 418 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: her down, and then saying, Okay, I understand. You should 419 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 2: write this all down. If Mom doesn't. You don't think 420 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 2: Mom is listening. Write it to her. 421 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: By the way, this happens to every in every family across. 422 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: But I will even if we did it again, I 423 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: would always take my daughter's call and not think I 424 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 2: was being disloyal to my wife. 425 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: Thank you. He mediated between me and Max because he can, 426 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: really he you can like get to what we're both 427 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: thinking and just make it like a healing journey. Thank you, Matt. 428 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 3: You know what that is true? That makes me feel 429 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 3: he is so much of the healing journey. 430 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: I feel like for me, seeing you guys as grandparents 431 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: is like the best thing I've ever It is joyful, 432 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: it's the best it is. 433 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: It was not something that I you know, I wasn't 434 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 3: one of those people who was just craving craving a grandchild. 435 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: I just loved being a mom. No, I just loved 436 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 3: being a parent, and so it was not something that 437 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 3: I focused like in a rush. 438 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: No, not at all. 439 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: I want to say, being a grandparent is a gift. 440 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 2: We just Stacy and I just took your oldest son 441 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: Ace fishing with us, fly fishing for trout. 442 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: It was joyous because that's one of your guys's biggest hopies. 443 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: You love it. You do it together. And you told 444 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: my kids because they kept saying they wanted to go 445 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: when they were twelve, you would take them. And Ace 446 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: turn twelve and you took him and it was the 447 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: trip of his life. 448 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 2: Oh my god, let him. 449 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 3: Ace is also hysterically funny. He's got this little streak. 450 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: In him and he is so he is a killer. 451 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: I have to tell you that I took him. I 452 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: messed up this morning and I thought it was late start, 453 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: but it was late start, but I thought it wasn't 454 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: late start whatever. I made a mistake with his schedule, 455 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: so I dropped him an hour and a half early. 456 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: So we ended up going out for breakfast and everyone 457 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: I ran into I was like, have you on my podcast? 458 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: My podcast? And when we got in the car, he 459 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: was like, Mom, you're doing too much with the podcast. 460 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: You're doing too much. What he said, everywhere you go. 461 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: You asked. 462 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: My wife asking the water past a water bottle at 463 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: lets you. 464 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: Were choking, Can you drink so that we're choking is interrupted? 465 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: You're lying? Yeah, thank God for her. Yeah, wow, just 466 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: call me doctor Heimlick. But yeah, that was amazing. And 467 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: you guys let it. I got a video of Ace driving. 468 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 2: He's twelve a car, but he was in a parking lot. 469 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: He was adorable and he asked to. 470 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 3: Me about it, and he was so sure. I would say, no, 471 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: that was. 472 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: Something you were always like, so fun. I remember when 473 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: you would be when you would do crazy driving and 474 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: you would go side desired. 475 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: I thought that was insane. We did because she does 476 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: it now, not even meaning you were the strict one. 477 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 2: I was. 478 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: You were the strict one, but Mom was scary. 479 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you called me mister stricty because I think in 480 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 2: structure comes freedom. 481 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, but it was annoying as a child, 482 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: I don't care. Yeah, but you were more like you 483 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: were more fun. Dad was fun too, but I was 484 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: definitely you didn't get mad. Mom would get mad a lot. 485 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: You wouldn't get mad often, but when you did, it 486 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: was made did one time I remember I was too, Yeah, 487 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: but it was like very rare. Like I can count 488 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: on my hand how many times you like little. 489 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but let her finish. I think it's nicer than 490 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 2: what you have to say. 491 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: It's definitely like you know, I mean, it was you 492 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: would get mad, but it was different. 493 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: God, But today the same is today. Yeah, I don't 494 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 2: get mad often, but when I get mad, it goes 495 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 2: but you know. 496 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: But yeah, but but but but mom was more like 497 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, she would just like get mad, but it 498 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't last as much, but it would just but but 499 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,479 Speaker 1: she would get mad, but it was just more often, 500 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: So I think it was less alarming when you. 501 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 3: Would get me, Zoe, you got angry, but you got 502 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 3: angry unlike any You would not talk. You froze me out, 503 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 3: which was actually the same thing that my mother, because 504 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 3: that's what you would do to me. 505 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: No, yeah, I never froze you out. I apologize to you. 506 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: You absolutely won't know. I think next we should have 507 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: maybe like doctor Lee's a pressman who's like a child's 508 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: like I love her. Yeah, she should come on because 509 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: that just so you know, like I did not freeze 510 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: you out. As a matter of fact, I'm actually shocked 511 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: because I didn't know I had that ability. 512 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: I don't want to make you wrong. 513 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: You can make me wrong. I know I have frozen. 514 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 3: Well, then let me just say it wasn't it was intentions. 515 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 2: Can I just say to me, Ms frost over here 516 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: doesn't think she frozen anybody? 517 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, she thinks she froze you out. She doesn't 518 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: think she froze me out. 519 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 3: The hardest part of parenting Zoe, I thought, was that 520 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 3: she was so strong and so wilful and nothing. 521 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: It's like she. 522 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 3: Could outlast me and outdoo me and out angering me. 523 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 3: And I felt that I could not get her to 524 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 3: cave to just like Okay, it's over now. Zoe could 525 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 3: walk by me for three days in a row and 526 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 3: not have I contact with me once. 527 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,719 Speaker 1: I actually do do that. I know that I do that, 528 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: and and for me, it's like withholding, it's not nice 529 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: and that and so that was the word I was 530 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: trying to use. Yeah, I do do that, I do that. 531 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: I do not but but I want to break, like 532 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: I want to break, but I just like I can't 533 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: do it. My therapist always tells me all the time, 534 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: like with Rob, like just put your hand on his 535 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: arm and just be like, you know, like I'm sorry, 536 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: like maybe like something's going on with him. And I'm 537 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: like no, I literally like my arm won't move like 538 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: I try, and it's like I can't do it. I 539 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: just cannot break. It's a real problem. I'm gonna work on. 540 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 3: It, but but it's also it was everything that I 541 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,479 Speaker 3: wasn't because. 542 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: It it felt to me strong, but to me you 543 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: felt so strong like to me, you felt like the strongest, scariest, 544 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: like most. So it's so funny like that we both 545 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: had these visions of what we both were and they 546 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: were like but inside neither of us felt now, which 547 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: is so interesting now as an adult, to like to 548 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: know that like whatever you think you. 549 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 3: Know is not necessarily the truth. But tender you know, 550 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 3: I mean makes me feel sad because when you think 551 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 3: about time being wasted and not really knowing, you know, 552 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 3: not really knowing a person. And I just was like, 553 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 3: there she goes again. 554 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: I remember, well, I definitely yeah, I mean, I am tough, 555 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: I'm aware, I don't like think i'm not. But I 556 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: remember one time when we were at the kid's Halloween 557 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: parade at school and you were crying, and I said, like, 558 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: what's wrong, and you said, I just wish that I 559 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: could do it all over again, like I wish that 560 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: you guys were this age and I could do it 561 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: all over again. And I thought, like, as a mom, 562 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: that's just such a tender thing. And you just started 563 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: crying and I said, like what are you crying about? 564 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: But costume wasn't that great? And you've thought it was 565 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: because you know that you wish you that we were 566 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: that age, and you wish you had a do over. 567 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: I know there's so many things like is there anything 568 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: you guys wish you had dad? Is there anything you 569 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: wish you had to do over? Ass as like a 570 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: dad for your kids? Okay, tell me. 571 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: I still, when I think about it, have guilt about 572 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if this is a subject to talk about. 573 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 2: But you had meals on not meals on wheels. You 574 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: had Oh, Jenny Craig, Jenny Craig. 575 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: I went, I started Jenny Craig when I was twelve. 576 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 2: Years old, Okay, And but that was. 577 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: My choice, Yes, it was my choice. Go ahead. 578 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: And I have an idiosyncratic relationship with money because of 579 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: my parents. And we had bought you this Jenny Craig 580 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 2: and you were eating all this other stuff, and I 581 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 2: said to you, oh, but you have all this Jenny 582 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 2: Craig stuff. And I brought attention to the fact that 583 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 2: you needed the Jenny Craig, or that you had it 584 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: for a reason, that. 585 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: The Jenny Craig was expensive. No, he just said, I 586 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: was eating salcareo dorito chips you and you were like, 587 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: don't eat that, you have all this food. 588 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I once I realized that what I was 589 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 2: doing was actually pushing your nose in it, as opposed 590 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 2: to being practical, I felt enormous guilt. 591 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: You don't have to feel any guilt. 592 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 2: No, but it always had bothered me. 593 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: Well, I'm okay, thank you. Now I'm a manjarro, so 594 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: thank you. 595 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 4: No, really, I'm gone. 596 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 2: My fondest memory of you is your tenderness, is your humor. 597 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: You stood as as maybe like one and a half 598 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: or two year old before you even had language, and 599 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 2: you would tell jokes at the dining room table. You 600 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 2: stood on your chair and babbled a joke and then 601 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: laughed your head off because you thought the punchline was 602 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 2: so funny. I was, but no one else got it. 603 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: But it was not spoken in it. 604 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 3: I know, killed daddy, killed him, he said, Look at that. 605 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 3: She knows exactly what she's saying. The only people who don't. 606 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: Know is us. But it doesn't matter because look how 607 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: she's laughing. 608 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 2: Also, you were Halloween Halloween. We were walking down the street. 609 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 2: It was like one of your first Halloweens. I think 610 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: you went as a bunch of grapes and a man 611 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: came to the door, and you looked in the basket 612 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: and you looked at him. You looked in the basket, 613 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: you looked at him, and then you said, can I 614 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 2: see the inside of your house? And you were so 615 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 2: interested in the way other pet left me in no. 616 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 2: I took you by the arm and said, thank you 617 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 2: so much, and then we went to the next house 618 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 2: where you would do it again. But it was so adorable. 619 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: You didn't care about the sugar, about the sweets. You 620 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: only cared about seeing the inside. 621 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: Until I started Jenny Craig. Then I cared about the 622 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: sugar in the ste Yeah. 623 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 2: Really, But it didn't stop. 624 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: I was crazy things for Halloween, Like one year I 625 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: was Dolly Parton. One year I was Jennifer Gray and 626 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: I went to school and no one knew it who 627 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: I was. I was what you did, Baby from Dirty Dancing. 628 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: And I remember that when I was Baby from Dirty Dancing, 629 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: none of the kids in my class had seen the movie. 630 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: And there's a moment in it where she has an 631 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: abortion and it goes wrong, and Mom told me that 632 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 1: it was Mom told me that she was having append appendicitis. 633 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: And then I became like a massive, massive, massive hypochondriac, 634 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: which I still am to this day. And that's why. No, 635 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: that's not why, that's not why. But I constantly went 636 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: to the nurse at school and said, I'm having appendicitis. 637 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm having appendicitis. Don't take me somewhere. We're all get 638 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: a bad infection. And they called you, remember Sue slot 639 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: and it called you guys and was like, I think 640 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: we have an issue here. You were like added to 641 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: the list. 642 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 2: I remember. Oh. Also, you were on for I think 643 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 2: two or three days. You were on the volleyball team. 644 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 2: It was a year and then you would run around 645 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 2: the gym and then just slide on your tummy across 646 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 2: the floor. I loved it. 647 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 1: I tell my kids I played volleyball. 648 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 2: I have that image. You tell them that you played. 649 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I did for a moment. It was 650 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: a brief moment in time. 651 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 3: See, and I would have totally remembered you always played bomb. 652 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: It was for a very. 653 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 3: No no, just totally one in one world. 654 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: I did go to remember I went to volleyball camp 655 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 1: at UCLA. Yeah, that's when I really realized I'm out 656 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: of my league here. 657 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 658 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: When I barely played and I went to camp like 659 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: for a weekend and stayed in the dorms, and I 660 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: was like, holy shit, come pick me up immediately. I 661 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: really don't know what I'm doing. 662 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. 663 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have the best memories from childhood. 664 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 2: That makes me happy. 665 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: I remember when we would always go out to dinner 666 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: on Sunday nights. I loved it so much. What was 667 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: that place on Melrose was like Kyanti? I loved it. 668 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, we went to Kyanti. 669 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: We went there a lot. 670 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 2: I love that's your mom worked for the owner of Keanti. 671 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 2: She was the Oh. 672 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: I loved that restaurant. We would go there and when 673 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 1: you guys would take us to plays, we would always 674 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 1: go there. After jer mag Trader. 675 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 2: Vi also and then the they the Mexican place on Librea, 676 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 2: the two Women City something City. 677 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: Oh, yes, City City Cafe. I loved that, but it 678 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: wasn't Mexican. It was where we would have tartar there 679 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: and I loved it. It was definitely not Mexican. Yeah. 680 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: And now it's where Campanelli is or was, and now it's. 681 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 2: What's that Campanelli? Oh, now it is Republic. 682 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you love it there you love you love French food. 683 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,959 Speaker 2: I love good French food. 684 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: I remember you always love food. You do love. 685 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 2: Mom introduced me to food. I always had a tuna 686 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 2: fish sandwich in my ice box. And then when I 687 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 2: met I met Stacey. She introduced me to the world 688 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 2: of food. 689 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 3: But I used to say things to you, like if 690 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 3: you'd picked me up on a Saturday night for a 691 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 3: day we were going out to dinner, and I would say, 692 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 3: what did you have for lunch? And you'd say, I 693 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 3: don't remember. I don't who And I never heard of 694 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 3: someone who didn't remember what their last meal was ever? 695 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: Me neither. But now I mean, food is such a 696 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: big part of our life. Yeah, it's like and your 697 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: mom is no. Mom is known for like having the 698 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: most infamous, most amazing dessert table at every event. And 699 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: it's like desserts, hundreds of desserts from all different people, 700 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: from all different like cultures, all different things. It's the best. 701 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: It's like we're known for it now. I think if 702 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: you're in and if you know and if you come 703 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: to the Winklers, you will have good food. 704 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 2: You will have good food. 705 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,399 Speaker 1: What's your I know what your favorite favorite sandwich is. 706 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 2: My favorite sandwich is pretty soon? Yeah, it is the 707 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 2: day after Thanksgiving? 708 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: And what kind of bread? 709 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 2: Almost wonder bread, Yep, that's right, mayonnaise, turkey, cranberry out 710 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 2: of a can? 711 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: No berries, cranberry jelly. 712 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:14,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, the stuffing in a skillet with what oh my butter? Butter, 713 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 2: and then I have so many of them in such 714 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 2: a short amount of time. I don't have them for 715 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 2: a year. 716 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: This year, I don't get to have Thanksgiving with you, 717 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 1: and on the years I don't have Thanksgiving with you 718 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: because I'm with my husband's family, which is also great. 719 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: My mom and dad make Thanksgiving the next day for us, 720 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: so we still get to have all the because the 721 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: food here is like unmatched. 722 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 2: You know what I love the day or two days 723 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 2: before thinks best. All of the children, their friends, our family. 724 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,760 Speaker 2: Margaret who was married to Stacy's first husband. 725 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: These these listeners know about her because we talked about her. 726 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 2: Okay, first fine, she is like family, her family, and 727 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 2: everybody is in our kitchen. It's like Pioneer days. Everybody 728 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,240 Speaker 2: is making the stuffing and it's like an assembly line 729 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 2: and all of these women, you know, our daughter in laws. 730 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 2: It is a helps Ace is a chef. Ace is 731 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 2: your twelve year old and he in his soul, in 732 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 2: deep down, he is a chef. 733 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: I know. It's the most amazing thing. 734 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 2: He went to campus summer and made breakfast for his 735 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 2: entire bunk. 736 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: He did. 737 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. When Zoe was in college, she had a credit 738 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 2: card and had a limit on it, and we got 739 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 2: the bills, and I realized that our daughter is committing 740 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 2: grand laws because a lot of the mortgage was going 741 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 2: to these credit cards and it was. 742 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: The only one and it had a limit. But it 743 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: was very hard because I didn't like the food in 744 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: the dorm and so I needed to go to the 745 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: Tornado room, you know in Madison. That was like I 746 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: needed to have steak. I needed protein. I was very 747 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: I was not to go to the classes you drop, Yeah, exactly, 748 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: So I couldn't go to class breaking the bank I 749 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: am the taxis that you took. Oh yeah, I was 750 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: banned from the taxi why because one time I didn't 751 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: feel like the taxi was coming fast enough, so I 752 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,439 Speaker 1: called another taxi company and there were only two. And 753 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: if you then they banned me. I guess it happened 754 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: more than once. Maybe it happened three times. Yeah, so 755 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: I was not allowed to take any taxis in Madison, Wisconsin. 756 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 2: And then you had to walk. 757 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't do it. So I couldn't go to 758 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: class because I couldn't walk, because. 759 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 2: You couldn't walk because there's a. 760 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: Very hot there's a very steep hill there called Basket Hill. 761 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 2: So if anybody in Madison it drives a taxi. You're 762 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 2: the reason my daughter does not have a college education. 763 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 2: And I am because then she came here to La 764 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 2: and Mary Muck Marrymount and where you took being a 765 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 2: teacher class. 766 00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I sure did. 767 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 2: And then you graduated. We were crying. It was a 768 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 2: great it's such a good party in the back, and 769 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,919 Speaker 2: then realized that you were credits short. You actually did 770 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 2: not graduate, but did not send any of the presents. 771 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: Be tomato Tomato. It's one class like who cares? 772 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 2: That is Zoey Tomato Tomato. Ladies and gentlemen. In two words, 773 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,280 Speaker 2: you have described my daughter. 774 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,919 Speaker 1: Okay, I love you guys so much. 775 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,359 Speaker 2: This was we We love you so much. 776 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: Thank you both for for for having me. 777 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 2: I'm really you mean not today, you know what, because 778 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 2: I could not imagine this life without you. 779 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: It'd be boring. 780 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 2: No, I forget it. Forget that that. That is such 781 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 2: a crazy phrase that I hear a lot. Well, then 782 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 2: it would be boring. That is just doesn't work. Life 783 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 2: is better because you are in part of it. 784 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: Literally, couldn't agree more right. Yeah, that's for everyone involved, 785 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: For everyone in my life. I feel like I just 786 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,760 Speaker 1: bring yeah, I like you feel like what for everyone 787 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,240 Speaker 1: in your life? I'm just like it's it's. 788 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 2: Like it's yeah, I'm like, yeah, Well I will say you. 789 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 2: You know, when the family goes on vacation, uh, and 790 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 2: there are now a lot of us, and when we 791 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 2: are able and lucky enough to go on vacation, you 792 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 2: are an extraordinary uh coordinator. You are an extraordinary put 793 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 2: her together of vacations. 794 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: I would be like an all star concierge, you. 795 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 2: Would be Yeah, I could. I mean that's not even 796 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 2: a joke. Is an ability that a lot of people 797 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 2: don't have to be that organized, that detailed, that thoughtful 798 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 2: and understanding what everybody's needs are and everybody's needs are 799 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 2: met to the best of their bits and art that 800 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 2: it is that you are a Picasso of vacation. 801 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'll be planning them for the 802 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:06,399 Speaker 1: rest of my life. 803 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 2: I hope so, of course, and I'm going on another 804 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 2: one in a few years when I pay off the last. 805 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 1: I love you, guys. This was so fun. 806 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 2: This was me too. 807 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: Thank you for being our guest star. Thank you, Thank 808 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 1: you guys so much for listening to my insane and 809 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: incredible family. This has been another episode of What in 810 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: the Winkler Number two in the can. We did it, 811 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,879 Speaker 1: We did it, We did it.