Speaker 1: My guest today is the incredible Arianna Huffington's. Arianna is
Speaker 1: the founder of the Huffington Post as well as a journalist, author,
Speaker 1: and CEO of Thrive. Ariana launched Thrive in two thousand
Speaker 1: sixteen as a behavioral tech company with the goal of
Speaker 1: tackling workplace burnout. Today we talk about the importance of sleep,
Speaker 1: whether work life balance is bs and habits that will
Speaker 1: make you happier at home and at work. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of us are feeling burned out. A recent
Speaker 1: study found fifty of people surveyed reported feeling burned out
Speaker 1: at work. Can't you relate to this? Oh my god.
Speaker 1: If that's you, I know you'll find this conversation helpful. Enjoy.
Speaker 1: I love that you asked this ahead of time. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: We are both in them lingua franca suetz, I can't
Speaker 1: see what does your say mine? When mine says who
Speaker 1: run the world? Uh? Mine says onward, upward, in ward.
Speaker 1: I like that. Oh my god, I like that. And
Speaker 1: I like people who manage their time well, particularly someone
Speaker 1: who's written books about sleep. So I wouldn't have started
Speaker 1: with this, But let's talk about time and your relationship
Speaker 1: to uh. Healthier otherwise than how it's changed over the years,
Speaker 1: your relationship with time and how you manage it or
Speaker 1: let it go, or what you view about your relationship
Speaker 1: with time. Thank you so much. First of all, I'm
Speaker 1: so happy to be here with you, and I love
Speaker 1: this question because I feel that time is really the
Speaker 1: only thing that we can choose beyond the obvious and
Speaker 1: necessary things we all have to do how to spend it,
Speaker 1: and time is our life, and the opportunity cost of
Speaker 1: everything we're doing is enormous. You know, I started economics
Speaker 1: at Cambridge and the only thing I remember is opportunity
Speaker 1: cost and diminishing returns. Opportunity costs. Anytime you choose to
Speaker 1: do something, you are saying no to something else, whether
Speaker 1: it is sleep, resting, recharging, being with people you love, anything,
Speaker 1: So that's important. The other thing is the concept of
Speaker 1: diminishing returns, which also has to do with time, because
Speaker 1: we were brought up thinking that if we work longer,
Speaker 1: we're going to be better at what we're doing, but
Speaker 1: in fact there is their diminishing returns, and working longer
Speaker 1: it's not working smarter, is no more productive or more effective.
Speaker 1: But what if people don't work for money or that,
Speaker 1: or aren't goal oriented. They just are people who work,
Speaker 1: meaning that's sort of a hobby to they enjoy it.
Speaker 1: They enjoyed doing something, whether it's gardening with obsession, or
Speaker 1: cooking or uh anything that they just like researching that
Speaker 1: a person has that personality where it's sort of always on,
Speaker 1: and no matter how many times they try to meditate
Speaker 1: or try to do what society wants them to do
Speaker 1: about that, they still are That is that wrong? I mean,
Speaker 1: how does someone determine what the truth is? There's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong about any of that. I'm one of the people
Speaker 1: who absolutely loves what I'm doing. You know, I could
Speaker 1: have retired many many times. I launched the Huffington Post
Speaker 1: at fifty five and Thrive at sixty six when many
Speaker 1: people retire. So um, I find that when I take
Speaker 1: care of myself, when I'm fully recharged, I just bring
Speaker 1: so much joy into what I'm doing. Yes, when I'm
Speaker 1: exhausted and depleted and burned out, even if I'm doing
Speaker 1: the my favorite thing in the world or having dinner
Speaker 1: with my favorite people, I'm depleted. Yes, bring my full
Speaker 1: self to work. I love that because I think that
Speaker 1: I always say that the best ideas come between sleep
Speaker 1: and weak, and that while everybody wants to grind, I
Speaker 1: think that creativity doesn't come forth when everything is so crowded.
Speaker 1: I have to do this, I have to do that.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this, I'm working on this versus just
Speaker 1: letting it breathe. It's like a wine that needs to
Speaker 1: breathe in order to reach its full potential. Absolutely. In fact,
Speaker 1: do we have so much data on that? You know,
Speaker 1: people having their best ideas in the show, Oh well,
Speaker 1: while they're fly fishing or gardening or knitting or or
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing that doesn't and fully engage their brain
Speaker 1: when they are not operating from that pretty frontal cortex.
Speaker 1: So your scientific and research based So how so all
Speaker 1: of that is sort of working. So how do you
Speaker 1: because you're an expert on this, So if you're stressed
Speaker 1: out and you're overwhelmed, do you feel like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not even doing what I'm supposed to be doing because
Speaker 1: I'm so proactive and I'm so you know, you must
Speaker 1: be some level of a perfectionist and some level of
Speaker 1: type A to have gotten here this way. So how
Speaker 1: what is your style? Your work style, your attempt at
Speaker 1: balance style all that whole genre. Well, you know you,
Speaker 1: and I decided to wear a lingua franca sweaters and
Speaker 1: I'm wearing the motto for my life and for thry
Speaker 1: it on my sweater Onward Upward, inward. I'm definitely Taipei.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely onward and upward, and I'm definitely about results
Speaker 1: and achievement. But I have learned that life is shaped
Speaker 1: from the inside out, and for a large part of
Speaker 1: my life I didn't pay importance to the inward part
Speaker 1: until I collapsed two years into building the Huffington Post
Speaker 1: and hit my head on my desk and broke my
Speaker 1: chicken bones. So I actually paid a heavy price for
Speaker 1: not including the inward and now that I have included it,
Speaker 1: and I've seen how transformational is the but it has
Speaker 1: in life. But I'm completely a work in progress. I
Speaker 1: never have any expectation that I'm going to do this
Speaker 1: journey perfectly. And one of the things I gave up
Speaker 1: in my life is perfection is my When I when
Speaker 1: I was forty, i am did an exercise which I
Speaker 1: highly recommend to everyone, which is I made a list
Speaker 1: of projects that that we're on my kind of legue
Speaker 1: to do list you know how we think I'm going
Speaker 1: to become a good skier, and I'm going to learn German,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to learn to cook. And I decided
Speaker 1: that you can complete a project by dropping it. So
Speaker 1: I just dropped these projects. I realized how I realized, Yes,
Speaker 1: it would be great to be a good scire, but realistically,
Speaker 1: I'm never going to put the amount of time and
Speaker 1: energy to become a good scare. So why have you
Speaker 1: at the back of my mind drawing energy? That's interesting?
Speaker 1: I like that. I it's funny because I have talked
Speaker 1: about fewer buckets full. How you know, whether it's social
Speaker 1: engagements or work. We say yes, and you put it
Speaker 1: on the calendar. It's just a pen to the paper.
Speaker 1: You don't think about at it, and we get drained.
Speaker 1: And so I I say that I think that we
Speaker 1: have to choose the things that have an emotional, spiritual
Speaker 1: or financial r O. I you know, what's going to
Speaker 1: give me the return of my investment and sort of
Speaker 1: what I'm I'd rather have four buckets full than twelve
Speaker 1: a third fall if that math is right, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, I'd rather just focus on So
Speaker 1: that's effectively what you're saying. And I love that because
Speaker 1: it means letting some things go and just focusing on
Speaker 1: only what you love or you just can't turn down
Speaker 1: for financial reasons, or you have to do it, or
Speaker 1: it's giving you a philanthropic uh reward. I love that exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's connected to your first question about time, because
Speaker 1: suddenly you have time available and not everything is so
Speaker 1: crunched up? Right? Do you like the nothing of the time,
Speaker 1: just like doing nothing, not not meaning you're replacing that
Speaker 1: with some other meaningful thing like yoga and meditation, but
Speaker 1: like zero. Well, I love feeling that time with walks
Speaker 1: on our hikes, are being with friends, are breathing and
Speaker 1: meditating and um you know, taking that hand. That Buddhist
Speaker 1: spiritual teacher who died recently said it's never been easier
Speaker 1: to run away from ourselves. So because of social media
Speaker 1: and our phones, we almost never do nothing. Like if
Speaker 1: I was having lunch with you and you're five minutes late,
Speaker 1: I would go to my phone instead of sitting there breathing, thinking,
Speaker 1: um whatever, like and and that's something which I'm definitely
Speaker 1: working on myself. And to just take this few minutes
Speaker 1: to just be I that is such a problem that
Speaker 1: needs to be solved because your baby sat by your phone.
Speaker 1: Your baby sitting your phone, we could do so much
Speaker 1: because of the phone. I don't have an office that
Speaker 1: I go. I mean I have it, you know, I
Speaker 1: work from home. I have a separate structure that my
Speaker 1: staff works in. We call it the wee work. But
Speaker 1: you just don't need to do any you know. It's
Speaker 1: a crutch. It's it's actually and it used to be
Speaker 1: better when we were on airplanes and you couldn't use
Speaker 1: them because you can't. It's like a hit. You take
Speaker 1: the hit, you get the you get the WiFi, and
Speaker 1: you take the hit that you should probably avoid. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that's something which we're doing a lot about a drive,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the six journeys that for us
Speaker 1: lead to a complete and whole life a sleep, food, movement, money,
Speaker 1: and connection. The sixth one is focus. How can we
Speaker 1: and manage and the onslaught of news, information, notifications? And
Speaker 1: how can we set boundaries? And our philosophy is that
Speaker 1: you can only do that through microsteps, you know, tiny
Speaker 1: daily incremental steps. So we have hundreds of them. One
Speaker 1: of my favorites here is too set boundaries at night,
Speaker 1: like picker time, whatever time it is that you declare,
Speaker 1: this is the end of my work, This is the
Speaker 1: end of my doom scrawling the news. Yes, it is
Speaker 1: the end of scrawling on Instagram or TikTok. And I
Speaker 1: mark that end by turning off my phone and charging
Speaker 1: it outside my bedroom. It's a great thing, and I've
Speaker 1: done it and I've broken it, and you're correct, I'm
Speaker 1: doing And that's a great one because it's so easy.
Speaker 1: And let's pretend you couldn't sleep on night. Okay, so
Speaker 1: you can't sleep, do something else. Read physical books. I
Speaker 1: have a pile of physical books on my nightstand that
Speaker 1: have absolutely nothing to do with work, you know, novels
Speaker 1: and poetry and philosophy. And if I can't sleep, I
Speaker 1: will play one of them. And I have a small
Speaker 1: iPad that has nothing but spiritual meditation, sleep meditations, nothing else, though,
Speaker 1: glat I'm not going to get hooked and start looking
Speaker 1: at my texts or my social media. And you know,
Speaker 1: we all have a lot of will power, and I
Speaker 1: don't trust my way power. I don't trust myself. I
Speaker 1: don't I'm very disciplined. You are very disciplined. I don't
Speaker 1: trust myself. I don't want It's like it's I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm an alcoholic, and if alic, I can't say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm so disciplined. No, I don't want
Speaker 1: a bottle of wine in front of me. Well, you
Speaker 1: can remove and you can't remove food which you have
Speaker 1: to eat every day, and you can't remove this technology
Speaker 1: and these messages. You're right, So this is the hardest thing.
Speaker 1: I love that you just are in this space talking
Speaker 1: about this. We dabble in it, we talked about it,
Speaker 1: but you live in it, and I think it's just
Speaker 1: so helpful. And you made you know, you've you've been
Speaker 1: UM vocal and involved in politics and women's issues, and
Speaker 1: then you're into UM wellness. So what are you most
Speaker 1: focused on now? And how would you if you were
Speaker 1: sitting next to someone and they asked you what you
Speaker 1: do for a living or who you are and they
Speaker 1: didn't know, how would you describe your journey, your life,
Speaker 1: your career. I'm one thousand percent dedicated to Thrive, the
Speaker 1: company I launched in twenties sixteen that works with dozens
Speaker 1: of companies around the world to improve the well being
Speaker 1: and mental health of their employees. The mis statement is
Speaker 1: um our goal is to end the stress and burnout epidemic.
Speaker 1: That was our mission statement in twenty sixteen, where not
Speaker 1: a lot of people talked about burnout. Now burnout has
Speaker 1: moved to the top of the agenda and we are
Speaker 1: working with them millions of employees and I have I
Speaker 1: feel so blessed to be able to have an impact
Speaker 1: on so many people's lives, that to be able to
Speaker 1: reduce their stress and and when you reduce stress and
Speaker 1: and avoid burnout, you improve health, you improve productivity, you
Speaker 1: improve the quality of life. And among all the journeys
Speaker 1: that I mentioned earlier that are in our up and
Speaker 1: on the web and whoever people are like, if you're
Speaker 1: on Slack, we can bring them to you on Slack,
Speaker 1: If you're on teams or web bags, we can bring
Speaker 1: them to you there. One of my favorite features in
Speaker 1: our product is a sixty second reset. I so love
Speaker 1: that because it's based on the latest neuroscience that it
Speaker 1: takes sixty to ninety seconds to course correct from stress. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. So stress is unavoidable, but cumulative stress, which
Speaker 1: is the killer, is avoidable. So bringing reset into people's
Speaker 1: lives is such a big priority for me, Bethany, because
Speaker 1: as you said earlier, you know, if you tell somebody
Speaker 1: you know your stress take twenty minutes to meditate, they
Speaker 1: may roll the rise and they're not going to do it.
Speaker 1: It's digestible. Yeah, if you tell them you're stressed, can
Speaker 1: you are up? And he certainly are up. Is not
Speaker 1: consumer facing, so please don't look for it. But if
Speaker 1: you're in a company that has brought in thrive like
Speaker 1: Fighter or Accentu or Sales for are dozens of others.
Speaker 1: You can download resets, hundreds of them and they remind
Speaker 1: you to take conscious deep breaths for sixty seconds, or
Speaker 1: remind yourself of what you're grateful for, which is an
Speaker 1: antidot to stress and anxiety, or simply get up and
Speaker 1: stretch and the impact is amazing. And my favorite things
Speaker 1: that you can create your own personalized reset. Who thinks
Speaker 1: that give you joy? I love this. I want to
Speaker 1: ask you about the overused term or underused term work
Speaker 1: life balance. And so many people are going through this
Speaker 1: with the pandemic right now, so post pandemic or semi
Speaker 1: post pandemic from both sides, from from employers. I'm hearing
Speaker 1: from that they're saying, you know, I feel that in
Speaker 1: person is very important because you're connecting, you're talking, you're
Speaker 1: not you know, someone's not home just laying in a
Speaker 1: couch versus sitting in a structured, dressed environment. Um, it's
Speaker 1: become we can't unkno that you don't have to be
Speaker 1: in person to get things done. So now that's something
Speaker 1: that's out there. And I was talking to a CEO
Speaker 1: of a major company yesterday and he said to me,
Speaker 1: you know, we have to be happy too, meaning we're
Speaker 1: so we've gone so much in one direction to make
Speaker 1: employees happy, like it was the Jeffrey Katzenberg if you
Speaker 1: if you don't come in on Saturday, don't bother coming
Speaker 1: in on Sunday, that comment that was explosive years ago.
Speaker 1: So the pendulum has swung. And now I'm speaking to
Speaker 1: CEOs who are saying it has to work for us too.
Speaker 1: So you're trying to bend over backwards to create a
Speaker 1: work life balance. But then we all we don't know.
Speaker 1: You don't know what's right, what's wrong, what's balanced. You
Speaker 1: can't go back to what it was or the way
Speaker 1: that we came up. You and I came up and
Speaker 1: burn out nation. So where is the where's the real line,
Speaker 1: where's the real balance for employers and employees. I actually
Speaker 1: don't like the term work life balance. I think it's
Speaker 1: completely unrealistic. Um we use the term work life integration,
Speaker 1: work life harmony, work life band, whatever you want to use.
Speaker 1: There's never a day or a week when you're when
Speaker 1: you can balance work and life, you know the days
Speaker 1: I mean. We launched a mental health Pledge and over
Speaker 1: eighty companies signed it to commit not to cut down
Speaker 1: on mental health and well being offerings. We launched it
Speaker 1: in a week with a full page out in the
Speaker 1: New York Times. We all worked very hard, we worked weekends.
Speaker 1: We we loved it, you know, we got tremendous joy
Speaker 1: from seeing it come to life. But there was no balance.
Speaker 1: You know. Then, I'm I'm going home to New York
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. I'm spending time with my daughters. That won't
Speaker 1: be balanced because that's for a while. So that's my priority.
Speaker 1: So in terms of working from home, as you said,
Speaker 1: I love that phrase. I wrote. I wrote it down, Bethani,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to use it and get it. We
Speaker 1: cannot un we cannot unkn you know what we know,
Speaker 1: which is you don't have to be in the office
Speaker 1: to work. We cannot know that. But also and we
Speaker 1: need to realize that when we are together, there is
Speaker 1: amazing stuff that happens. There is that we build social capital,
Speaker 1: we collaborate. So we need to be much more intentional
Speaker 1: about building about that that social capital, about finding ways
Speaker 1: to collaborate which don't involve you have to be in
Speaker 1: the office for five days a week. You're saying the
Speaker 1: same thing you said before. You're saying, how are we
Speaker 1: using that time? So when we are together, it's the
Speaker 1: same thing you were saying before. How are you using
Speaker 1: that week when you launch? How you're using the week after?
Speaker 1: So how you know what I mean? Like the doom scrolling,
Speaker 1: the online shopping, that's just like a brain suck of
Speaker 1: your energy. That's not That's neither social building social capital
Speaker 1: with people you work with, nor laying like a vegetable
Speaker 1: relaxing because that's what you like to do. It's just
Speaker 1: a weird purgatory of of of unfulfilling activity exactly. And
Speaker 1: you know you can be in the office and be
Speaker 1: scrawling Instagram and TikTok. It's not if you're frustrated or
Speaker 1: is entful and you're not happy. I don't know how
Speaker 1: that is good for the employer. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: people need to have choices, and and obviously let's let
Speaker 1: us just stress the fact that some people don't have
Speaker 1: choices because they need to make a living in a
Speaker 1: particular industry. And we are talking from the point of
Speaker 1: view of people who have been privileged to be able
Speaker 1: to work from home during a pandemic. The majority of
Speaker 1: people in the world have not been able to do that.
Speaker 1: But I know, and now we work with Walmart. They
Speaker 1: have two point two million associate as they called them.
Speaker 1: The vast majority had to go to the store every day, right,
Speaker 1: So I think when we have this conversation, we need
Speaker 1: to be very cognizant of this double reality in the world. Totally.
Speaker 1: It's an elitest conversation in a way. Yeah, absolutely, that's
Speaker 1: absolutely true. That's so interesting. Or people couldn't work it
Speaker 1: all their businesses is dissolved. So that's another layer that's interesting. Um.
Speaker 1: You you undeniably love to solve problems. You like to
Speaker 1: think about the human condition, you want to do something
Speaker 1: about it, you like to take action. Do you think
Speaker 1: you'll get into politics in the future. Oh God, no, God, no, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: because people ask me that, and I think it sounds
Speaker 1: like a disaster. I just because you'll be shackled, shackled
Speaker 1: and having a kiss babies all day. No, it's it's
Speaker 1: never even crossed my mind. I I feel truly blessed
Speaker 1: to be doing what I'm doing. I have no plans
Speaker 1: to do anything else except I'm going to be a
Speaker 1: grandmother in August. I'm very excited about that. So I
Speaker 1: think it's it's so great to be able to have
Speaker 1: reached the point where I love what I'm doing. I've
Speaker 1: built a fantastic team. We doubled our team during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to meeting a lot of them that
Speaker 1: I've hired without meeting, and then to continue to to
Speaker 1: have a real important people's lives and learn, continue to learn.
Speaker 1: I think I'm a lifelong learner like you are, so
Speaker 1: reading and talking to people who have different viewpoints on
Speaker 1: exactly what you called the human condition, especially during a
Speaker 1: time when a lot of these existential questions about what
Speaker 1: is a good life are so key. You know, because
Speaker 1: you and I talked at the time when I wrote
Speaker 1: my book Thrive and then the book was about redefining
Speaker 1: success to move beyond just money, powers lash status, to
Speaker 1: include well being and health, to include giving, to include
Speaker 1: a sense of wonder about life, so being able to
Speaker 1: practice that and also help other people connect with that
Speaker 1: part in themselves. This is a real gift have you made.
Speaker 1: Do you have any glaring mistakes in parenting that you've had,
Speaker 1: or any regrets in being so busy, any relationship to
Speaker 1: guilt with having grazing two daughters, wild building an empire,
Speaker 1: because I know we all go through that. And Wall
Speaker 1: Street Journal reporter once told me never to apologize to
Speaker 1: your kids about working, which stuck with me forever. I
Speaker 1: didn't even have a child, but for some reason it
Speaker 1: just stuck with me, And I wonder about that for you. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm really convinced that they take the
Speaker 1: baby out and they put the guilty in. Oh. Yes,
Speaker 1: I literally have never met a working mother myself included,
Speaker 1: who is not guilty. Right I am? I was perpetually guilty.
Speaker 1: I mean my daughters now tease me about that. You know,
Speaker 1: I always felt, um, I was not a good enough
Speaker 1: my there because I had also an amazing mother, an
Speaker 1: amazing mother like the mother I was always comparing myself
Speaker 1: to even though you know, I did a lot of
Speaker 1: things that I think are important. If you're a working mother,
Speaker 1: that makes it clear to your children that even though
Speaker 1: you're working and working hard, there are your priority emotionally,
Speaker 1: my children are my priority. I I think you'll like
Speaker 1: this because if we have similar thoughts about things, if
Speaker 1: you're present in each people try to divide half. I'm
Speaker 1: calling somebody else while I'm pretending I'm with my kid,
Speaker 1: but I'm not present. I'm I'm I'm over in work
Speaker 1: thinking calling the nanny or I don't have a nanny,
Speaker 1: but whatever people are doing versus I'm present in this,
Speaker 1: and you're you know the boundaries. I'm at work and
Speaker 1: I'm you're present for these people that you're working with,
Speaker 1: and you're present in that, and then everybody feels like
Speaker 1: they're getting what they need. Absolutely, I think that is
Speaker 1: the key. And we have a piece on our Thrive
Speaker 1: website that I love by Philip Schneider with Them, the
Speaker 1: chief business officer at Google, and he wrote how he
Speaker 1: came home from a trip and he told his young
Speaker 1: children He's gonna take the playground, and the little boy
Speaker 1: said oh no, can't the babysitter take us? And he
Speaker 1: was kind of a crestfallen and he asked why, and
Speaker 1: the little boy said, because when you're in the playground,
Speaker 1: you're always on your phone, right And you know, he
Speaker 1: wrote about it, and he told me what an incredible
Speaker 1: response he got from from googlers because he said, from
Speaker 1: that moment on when he was with his children, he
Speaker 1: was not on his phone. It's a great that's a
Speaker 1: good second rule from today that after eight o'clock is digestible,
Speaker 1: and so is that not to be on your phone
Speaker 1: with your kids. That's I'm I'm gonna do that starting today.
Speaker 1: I'm not always, but I am sometimes, and that's a
Speaker 1: good rule. So I know you have what did you
Speaker 1: say after eight o'clock? You said? You said, well, I'm
Speaker 1: going to do after eight o'clock. You said, set the time,
Speaker 1: and I thought eight o'clock is reasonable and the charging
Speaker 1: outside the room, and I've done it before and it's
Speaker 1: worked and I've slept better. And I'm just you know,
Speaker 1: like you said, we we we we just don't have willpower.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to just implement at least that for myself.
Speaker 1: But I want to make it clear that it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be eight o'clock. Right, No, no, for everybody listening,
Speaker 1: it's my choice. It's my body, my choice, right everybody.
Speaker 1: If you wanted to be eleven o'clock, yeah, exactly eleven o'clock,
Speaker 1: but make it a conscious demarcation, exactly your phone life
Speaker 1: and your working life and surrendering to sleep. The truth, Bethan,
Speaker 1: is that seventy two percent of people sleep with their phones,
Speaker 1: nightstand or cuddled up with which means they're on their phones,
Speaker 1: crawling and handling things until they can't keep their eyes open. Yes,
Speaker 1: and then they turn off the light and they got
Speaker 1: to sleep. And very often people wake up in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night, not because they're not tired, but
Speaker 1: because their brains didn't have a chance to slow down.
Speaker 1: I'm telling my whole staff. So that is a phone bed,
Speaker 1: you know. The only physical product that Drive has launched
Speaker 1: is a little phone bed at charging station that looks
Speaker 1: like a little phone bed. It has a blanket. You
Speaker 1: put your phone under the blanket, you tack it in,
Speaker 1: you say good night, I love Connect in the morning.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if your daughter has a phone yet, Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm giving her a phone bed too. I love this
Speaker 1: bed for the whole family. I'm sending you want you
Speaker 1: on mahogany or lightwood. Oh, my house is very like
Speaker 1: Greenwich Country, so whatever you think, like dark wood, dark water, blackgany.
Speaker 1: And then it also teaches your child yes hygiene, Yes,
Speaker 1: doesn't sleep with you. It's a phone cleanse. It's like breakfast.
Speaker 1: You have to break the fast, so you're breaking the
Speaker 1: phone has to break the fast to what percentage lucky?
Speaker 1: Do you consider yourself and what percentage smart? Oh? I
Speaker 1: consider life being a dance between making it happen and
Speaker 1: letting it happen. I don't know what the exact percentage is,
Speaker 1: but I know a thousand percent that I didn't make
Speaker 1: everything in my life happened, and that often some of
Speaker 1: the best things that happened in my life happened after
Speaker 1: very bad things in my life. Yes, my collapse that
Speaker 1: led to so many amazing things. Or the man I
Speaker 1: was in love with in London in my twenties who
Speaker 1: wouldn't marry me. He didn't want kids, he just wanted cats.
Speaker 1: That prompted me to leave London and moved to New
Speaker 1: York simply to escape, right, you know? So many things
Speaker 1: in my life when I look back that we're not
Speaker 1: my doing. Well, those lead into the last question, which
Speaker 1: is your rose and your thorn of your career? And
Speaker 1: for you it sounds like it might be the same.
Speaker 1: They might be the same. Well, um, no question. The
Speaker 1: thorn has been what I called the obnoxious roommate living
Speaker 1: in my head. H we are so similar. Noise, the noise,
Speaker 1: the voice of sell reaching myself up after a mistake.
Speaker 1: And I really had to work very hard two um
Speaker 1: quieter and on many days island sing that voice because
Speaker 1: I find it the most depleting, exhausting, unproductive thing anybody
Speaker 1: can do. Women have it more than men because we
Speaker 1: are perfectionists. And and now you know, I had dinner
Speaker 1: the other night with Normallere. He's going to be one
Speaker 1: hundred years old in July, and he said the two
Speaker 1: most important words he wants to leave behind our over
Speaker 1: and next, that's my fiance is like that it happened.
Speaker 1: So what it happened? He said it to me fifty
Speaker 1: times a day. Okay, well it happened. That's then this
Speaker 1: is now like it's so we're the same, but it's
Speaker 1: part of your success though if not so it's a
Speaker 1: hard thing because it's your rose and your thorn, like
Speaker 1: part of your success is that voice. No, No, I
Speaker 1: don't agree with that. I think it's entirely my thorn. Okay. Good.
Speaker 1: Now that I've been able to deal with it, and
Speaker 1: that obnoxioutary mate only makes very occasional guest appearances, I'm
Speaker 1: much more productive, I have more energy for things, etcetera.
Speaker 1: I think it's entirely my thought. Okay, God, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: that's the third thing I'm gonna talk about, the obnoxious roommate.
Speaker 1: I never write notes like this from myself after this,
Speaker 1: but today is a big educational day. Okay. And then
Speaker 1: I guess your rose was the was at the collapse. No,
Speaker 1: my rose is that. Ever since I can remember, I
Speaker 1: always had a spiritual dimension to my life, not any
Speaker 1: particular religion, but a conviction and absolute knowing that we
Speaker 1: all have a place in us of peace, wisdom, strength, love,
Speaker 1: and that the journey of life is to keep connecting
Speaker 1: to that place in a deeper and deeper way. I
Speaker 1: always believe that. When I was seventeen, I went to
Speaker 1: India and started comparative religion, and I saw that whether
Speaker 1: it's Christianity or Juday is more Zen or the bag
Speaker 1: Bada Gita or the tow They all say the same thing,
Speaker 1: that this is kind of our spiritual birthright, and anything
Speaker 1: we can do to connect with that place is the
Speaker 1: most important thing in my life. And I feel very
Speaker 1: blessed that I have a kind of path to connect
Speaker 1: to that place. I'm not saying I'm living there, but
Speaker 1: I can connect to that place. It's the eye in
Speaker 1: the hurricane. Yes, there rose in my life. There's a
Speaker 1: line to which all things that here. It's an invisible line,
Speaker 1: but you know it's there, and you gravitate back towards
Speaker 1: it when things are good, when things are bad. It's
Speaker 1: just there. I like that. That's nice because that relates
Speaker 1: to religion, to culture, to other people. Probably. UM. I
Speaker 1: love that I could talk to you for days, um,
Speaker 1: and I hope we get together at some point. But
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you, and I appreciate the passion and
Speaker 1: the quietness you put into everything. I really I like it.
Speaker 1: I could. I have my notes, and I can't wait
Speaker 1: to like to change some of these things because I
Speaker 1: feel the same way as you. But we get you
Speaker 1: just we'll do it later and I like it, so
Speaker 1: I appreciate you well. I loved every moment. I look
Speaker 1: forward to seeing you in New York and meeting your
Speaker 1: very lucky fiancet. Yes, onward, upward, inward the name of
Speaker 1: the Dea and who run the world, to be honest, Yes,
Speaker 1: it both. Yes, um fantastic. Well, thank you so much, Arianna,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Bethany,