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Speaker 1: My guest today is the incredible Arianna Huffington's. Arianna is

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Speaker 1: the founder of the Huffington Post as well as a journalist, author,

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Speaker 1: and CEO of Thrive. Ariana launched Thrive in two thousand

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Speaker 1: sixteen as a behavioral tech company with the goal of

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Speaker 1: tackling workplace burnout. Today we talk about the importance of sleep,

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Speaker 1: whether work life balance is bs and habits that will

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Speaker 1: make you happier at home and at work. I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of us are feeling burned out. A recent

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Speaker 1: study found fifty of people surveyed reported feeling burned out

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Speaker 1: at work. Can't you relate to this? Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: If that's you, I know you'll find this conversation helpful. Enjoy.

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Speaker 1: I love that you asked this ahead of time. Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: We are both in them lingua franca suetz, I can't

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Speaker 1: see what does your say mine? When mine says who

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Speaker 1: I like that. Oh my god, I like that. And

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Speaker 1: I like people who manage their time well, particularly someone

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Speaker 1: who's written books about sleep. So I wouldn't have started

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Speaker 1: with this, But let's talk about time and your relationship

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Speaker 1: to uh. Healthier otherwise than how it's changed over the years,

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Speaker 1: let it go, or what you view about your relationship

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Speaker 1: with time. Thank you so much. First of all, I'm

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Speaker 1: so happy to be here with you, and I love

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Speaker 1: this question because I feel that time is really the

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Speaker 1: and time is our life, and the opportunity cost of

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Speaker 1: everything we're doing is enormous. You know, I started economics

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Speaker 1: cost and diminishing returns. Opportunity costs. Anytime you choose to

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Speaker 1: So that's important. The other thing is the concept of

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Speaker 1: diminishing returns, which also has to do with time, because

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Speaker 1: in fact there is their diminishing returns, and working longer

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Speaker 1: But what if people don't work for money or that,

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Speaker 1: or aren't goal oriented. They just are people who work,

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Speaker 1: meaning that's sort of a hobby to they enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: a person has that personality where it's sort of always on,

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Speaker 1: about that, they still are That is that wrong? I mean,

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Speaker 1: how does someone determine what the truth is? There's nothing

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Speaker 1: have retired many many times. I launched the Huffington Post

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Speaker 1: at fifty five and Thrive at sixty six when many

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Speaker 1: people retire. So um, I find that when I take

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Speaker 1: so much joy into what I'm doing. Yes, when I'm

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Speaker 1: I always say that the best ideas come between sleep

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this, I'm working on this versus just

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Speaker 1: letting it breathe. It's like a wine that needs to

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Speaker 1: breathe in order to reach its full potential. Absolutely. In fact,

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Speaker 1: do we have so much data on that? You know,

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Speaker 1: So your scientific and research based So how so all

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Speaker 1: what is your style? Your work style, your attempt at

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely onward and upward, and I'm definitely about results

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Speaker 1: I like that. I it's funny because I have talked

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Speaker 1: what I'm I'd rather have four buckets full than twelve

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Speaker 1: um our goal is to end the stress and burnout epidemic.

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Speaker 1: put your phone under the blanket, you tack it in,

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Speaker 1: you say good night, I love Connect in the morning.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if your daughter has a phone yet, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm giving her a phone bed too. I love this

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Speaker 1: bed for the whole family. I'm sending you want you

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Speaker 1: on mahogany or lightwood. Oh, my house is very like

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Speaker 1: Greenwich Country, so whatever you think, like dark wood, dark water, blackgany.

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Speaker 1: And then it also teaches your child yes hygiene, Yes,

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Speaker 1: doesn't sleep with you. It's a phone cleanse. It's like breakfast.

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Speaker 1: You have to break the fast, so you're breaking the

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Speaker 1: phone has to break the fast to what percentage lucky?

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Speaker 1: Do you consider yourself and what percentage smart? Oh? I

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Speaker 1: consider life being a dance between making it happen and

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Speaker 1: letting it happen. I don't know what the exact percentage is,

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Speaker 1: but I know a thousand percent that I didn't make

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Speaker 1: everything in my life happened, and that often some of

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Speaker 1: the best things that happened in my life happened after

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Speaker 1: very bad things in my life. Yes, my collapse that

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Speaker 1: led to so many amazing things. Or the man I

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Speaker 1: was in love with in London in my twenties who

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Speaker 1: wouldn't marry me. He didn't want kids, he just wanted cats.

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Speaker 1: That prompted me to leave London and moved to New

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Speaker 1: York simply to escape, right, you know? So many things

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Speaker 1: my doing. Well, those lead into the last question, which

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Speaker 1: is your rose and your thorn of your career? And

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Speaker 1: for you it sounds like it might be the same.

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Speaker 1: They might be the same. Well, um, no question. The

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Speaker 1: thorn has been what I called the obnoxious roommate living

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Speaker 1: in my head. H we are so similar. Noise, the noise,

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Speaker 1: the voice of sell reaching myself up after a mistake.

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Speaker 1: And I really had to work very hard two um

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Speaker 1: quieter and on many days island sing that voice because

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Speaker 1: I find it the most depleting, exhausting, unproductive thing anybody

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Speaker 1: can do. Women have it more than men because we

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Speaker 1: are perfectionists. And and now you know, I had dinner

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Speaker 1: the other night with Normallere. He's going to be one

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Speaker 1: hundred years old in July, and he said the two

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Speaker 1: most important words he wants to leave behind our over

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Speaker 1: and next, that's my fiance is like that it happened.

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Speaker 1: So what it happened? He said it to me fifty

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Speaker 1: times a day. Okay, well it happened. That's then this

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Speaker 1: is now like it's so we're the same, but it's

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Speaker 1: part of your success though if not so it's a

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Speaker 1: hard thing because it's your rose and your thorn, like

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Speaker 1: part of your success is that voice. No, No, I

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Speaker 1: don't agree with that. I think it's entirely my thorn. Okay. Good.

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Speaker 1: Now that I've been able to deal with it, and

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Speaker 1: that obnoxioutary mate only makes very occasional guest appearances, I'm

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Speaker 1: much more productive, I have more energy for things, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: I think it's entirely my thought. Okay, God, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: that's the third thing I'm gonna talk about, the obnoxious roommate.

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Speaker 1: I never write notes like this from myself after this,

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Speaker 1: but today is a big educational day. Okay. And then

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Speaker 1: I guess your rose was the was at the collapse. No,

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Speaker 1: my rose is that. Ever since I can remember, I

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Speaker 1: always had a spiritual dimension to my life, not any

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Speaker 1: particular religion, but a conviction and absolute knowing that we

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Speaker 1: all have a place in us of peace, wisdom, strength, love,

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Speaker 1: and that the journey of life is to keep connecting

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Speaker 1: to that place in a deeper and deeper way. I

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Speaker 1: always believe that. When I was seventeen, I went to

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Speaker 1: India and started comparative religion, and I saw that whether

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Speaker 1: it's Christianity or Juday is more Zen or the bag

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Speaker 1: Bada Gita or the tow They all say the same thing,

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Speaker 1: that this is kind of our spiritual birthright, and anything

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Speaker 1: we can do to connect with that place is the

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Speaker 1: most important thing in my life. And I feel very

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Speaker 1: blessed that I have a kind of path to connect

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Speaker 1: to that place. I'm not saying I'm living there, but

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Speaker 1: I can connect to that place. It's the eye in

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Speaker 1: the hurricane. Yes, there rose in my life. There's a

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Speaker 1: line to which all things that here. It's an invisible line,

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Speaker 1: but you know it's there, and you gravitate back towards

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Speaker 1: it when things are good, when things are bad. It's

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Speaker 1: just there. I like that. That's nice because that relates

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Speaker 1: to religion, to culture, to other people. Probably. UM. I

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Speaker 1: love that I could talk to you for days, um,

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Speaker 1: and I hope we get together at some point. But

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you, and I appreciate the passion and

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Speaker 1: the quietness you put into everything. I really I like it.

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Speaker 1: I could. I have my notes, and I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to like to change some of these things because I

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Speaker 1: feel the same way as you. But we get you

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Speaker 1: just we'll do it later and I like it, so

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you well. I loved every moment. I look

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Speaker 1: forward to seeing you in New York and meeting your

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Speaker 1: very lucky fiancet. Yes, onward, upward, inward the name of

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Speaker 1: the Dea and who run the world, to be honest, Yes,

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Speaker 1: it both. Yes, um fantastic. Well, thank you so much, Arianna,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Bethany,