1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:01,440 Speaker 1: Everybody. 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 2: It's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks. And 3 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: we continue now a part two of our conversation with 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: Alan Barnheart. Right after these brief messages from our general sponsors, 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: I think I've read, and I'm going to mess this up, 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: but I think I've read that you had like a 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 2: financial advisor buddy that you told all about this and 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: now he's doing something similar. 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: Has that done? Miss up? 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 3: We've told the story quite a lot, many people have 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: done something similar. Matter of fact, that financial guy was 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 3: just at my office. I just dropped him the airport 13 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 3: of the way. Here the guy I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 14 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 3: well that's weird. I mean, I swear that was not 15 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 3: a setup. 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: He's out of Houston. 17 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so he has given a chunk of his 18 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: company away and plans to give away more of it. 19 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense. It's not it's not crazy. It's 20 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: because of the way that we're owned, our tax bills lower, 21 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: and but mainly this transfer the company can go on 22 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 3: forever because it's not owned by an individual. We're trying 23 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: to set all of the businesses. We have seven businesses now, 24 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: trying to set them all up to go on forever 25 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 3: and to have an impact on our employees. Part of 26 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: that fifty five million dollars goes to things we do 27 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 3: for our employees. It's a relatively small part, but you know, 28 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: some money goes to we want to do something in 29 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 3: each of the communities where we have an operation. We 30 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: want to do something for our families, for our employees, 31 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 3: and then we also want to do things for the 32 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 3: most needy areas in the world. So that's that's our 33 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 3: that's our mantra. 34 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: So what does that leave you today? You're the CEO 35 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: of a company that you don't even own any of. Yeah, 36 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: but I would assume then that the days today are 37 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: no different than the days twenty years ago, except you're 38 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: probably not operating a crane anymore. But the point is when. 39 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: We wrote that, when we signed those documents and gave away, well, 40 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: this was two thousand and eight. 41 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: Okay, my balance sheet changed a lot that day. Personal 42 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: balance sheet. 43 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: I bet my life didn't change it on my motivation 44 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: to work didn't change it all. We've quit saying we 45 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: gave away the company. We just transferred the stock of 46 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 3: the company. We still own the company. From a stewardship standpoint, 47 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 3: we're still trying to push this company to be great. 48 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 3: We're trying to create great value for the for society, 49 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 3: so we're I'm still working hard. I'm actually about to 50 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 3: transition out of being the CEO after thirty nine years. 51 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 3: Have another guy that's going to step in and do 52 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 3: that relatively soon. 53 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: What are you going to do. I'm gonna stay, I'm 54 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: gonna keep working. 55 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be working for him, and I don't need money, 56 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: and my lifestyle is pretty pretty small. My salary has 57 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: actually gone down over the years because all my kids 58 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 3: are gone now. 59 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, that's right. 60 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: When you go from two point fifty to a being 61 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: in sales, might as well get yourself a pay cut. 62 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: Nice job backwards. Bro, It's no. 63 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: I just don't have the need, and I don't think 64 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 3: that more money would make me any better off as 65 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: a person, So I just have no. I don't think 66 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: of money. I don't think we're built to be happy 67 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: with money. I think contentment is Bible says contentment is 68 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: great game, and that's. 69 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: What we found. 70 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 3: It's not been it hasn't been some sacrificial If this 71 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: had been really hard, I think I'd have bailed out 72 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 3: a long time ago. 73 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: I think it's been. 74 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 3: It's been an exciting, fun life and not sacrificial. And 75 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: so it's that's the God we serve, you know, he's 76 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: worthy of our obedience completely. But he's also a loving, 77 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: heavenly father that wants to give us good things. And 78 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 3: so it's it's again, it's not been. Please don't feel 79 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: sorry for me at all. 80 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: I don't feel sorry. I've had a wonderful tree, but 81 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: I don't I kidding, you know, I don't think that. 82 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: But I do have a question. Your customers know this, 83 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: don't they. 84 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: Most of them don't. We don't lead with this at all. Yeah, 85 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: it would be you customers don't know this now. Some 86 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: might be listening today, but but no, it's not something 87 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 3: we lead with. We want people to hire us because 88 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: we're a great company and we do work well and 89 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 3: we're honorable. We don't want them to hire us because 90 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: we give money away. We think that's not that wouldn't 91 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: be appropriate. So we don't lead with that at all. 92 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: There are customers that learn of it. I mean, if 93 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 3: you google me on there's my wife and I have 94 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 3: a video where we're telling our story. And so people 95 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 3: some people want to check you out and they'll google you. 96 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 3: And if they do, what they'll find is several times 97 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: where I've been telling the story and so so some 98 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 3: of our customers do, customers do find out, and some 99 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 3: of our vendors do. But it's not it's not something 100 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 3: we lead with. 101 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: So tell me about the Generous Giving thing. 102 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: Sure, there's a group out there called Generous Giving that 103 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 3: their whole purpose is to help people discover generosity and 104 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 3: the benefits of generosity, and so we connected with them 105 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 3: pretty early on. But we they do a thing called 106 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 3: a Journey of Generosity, And I've been on a bunch 107 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 3: of these where you sit around for the day with 108 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 3: about a dozen people or so fifteen, and you talk 109 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: about generosity, and you look at some scripture, and you 110 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: look at some stories of other people you and you 111 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 3: just spend twenty four hours together talking about generosity and 112 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: it's life changing for people. 113 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: And there's no asks, nobody, no. 114 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 3: That's part of you know, you can't pay to be 115 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 3: part of it, and you can't. There's no asks, there's 116 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 3: no expectations. This is a foundation that spends a big 117 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: chunk of money saying all we want to do is 118 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: help people understand generosity because for two reasons. One is 119 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: if people are more generous, that three percent will go 120 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: up and more people can be helped. But I think 121 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: the biggest reason is life change of the givers. And 122 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: when people grasp generosity, it sets them free. And you know, 123 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: we've we've found that, you know, in our in our case, 124 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: we put constraints in our life financially and came to 125 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,239 Speaker 3: realize that putting in constraints in your life leads to freedom. 126 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: Living a life without constraints like freedom, but in almost 127 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: every area it leads to bondage if you don't constrain 128 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 3: yourself and how you act. And so we you know, 129 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: that's part of the message of generous giving is that 130 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 3: the generosity sets you free. 131 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: You can end up a slave to the desire for more, absolutely, 132 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: because there's no end to that. 133 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 3: There is no end. That's infinite. Yeah, and when is 134 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 3: enough enough? There's never enough? Do you say it's enough? 135 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: So if somebody's listened to us and they can just 136 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: google this thing. 137 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, generous giving dot org I think is and there's 138 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: on that there is there's a video. They have a 139 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 3: whole bunch of videos. There's a video of our story 140 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: on there. But there's a video of thirty or forty 141 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 3: other stories and they could connect on how to get 142 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 3: involved in a job and highly recommend. 143 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 4: Actually, Bill, that's how we found Brandon n Ashley's status. 144 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: That's it. 145 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 4: So the people who they were in Austin and their 146 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 4: group of friends came together and paid off their student debt. 147 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, they were sitting here they told you the story. 148 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and I'm trying to book right now. She's 149 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 4: agreed to do it, Rene Lockey. So she's the doctor 150 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 4: who decides to live like a nurse. I think is 151 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 4: a great story to point out too. You don't have 152 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 4: to have a billion dollar company to consider this. You 153 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 4: could be a doctor and consider. 154 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 3: This absolutely not. I mean, I think generosity helps. I'd 155 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: say develop generosity if you're six years old or eighty 156 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 3: six years old. 157 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: It is a great thing to develop. 158 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: I mean, what I'm gaining from all this. 159 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: Really is. 160 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: If you leave the three percent become the ten percent, 161 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: or if you go from three percent to fifteen percent, 162 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: or if you're an eight percenter and you go to 163 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: sixteen percent, you can get so much more out of 164 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: what you give than the percentage that you raise. 165 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: Can't outgive God it's giving set you free, holding what 166 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: you have with an open hand and saying this is 167 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: not mine. I'm willing to deploy it in any way 168 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: that you want me to. Sounds scary to people, but 169 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: it's not. It's it sets you free. 170 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: And you don't have to be a billion dollar company 171 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: and founder to go from three percent to ten percent. 172 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: No, the widow's might is a great example. You know, 173 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 3: I think God is not impressed with the commas and 174 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: the zeros. You know, that's not the issue. I think 175 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: there are lots of very generous people that are making 176 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 3: forty grand a year and given ten percent, and a 177 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: lot of people at a zero and are given zero. 178 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: And I think that those people that are making forty 179 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: grand are are happier. As I travel all over the world, 180 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: I mean, I meet people that are making three dollars 181 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: a day and are happy. I don't think money is 182 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 3: the answer to happiness. I think it's almost inversely proportional. 183 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: But I think I think generosity is proportional to happiness. 184 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 4: Steve's not the alan, You're not the only fifty percent 185 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 4: or too. 186 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: I think it's just important to say. 187 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 4: I mean, like the green hobby lobby family, Steve Trice, 188 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 4: I've interviewed who does it too. There's a Jewish financier 189 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 4: with a several billion dollar company and they're at fifty percent, 190 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 4: so it's yeah, I mean there are other people doing 191 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 4: this too. 192 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it makes perfect sense when you look 193 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: at there's a huge tax benefit to give me, and 194 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 3: you know to the now it's sixty percent. But the 195 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: first if you don't give, you're going to pay forty 196 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: percent or so in taxes. So Uncle Sam is sort 197 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: of subsidizing your gift by by giving you a tax deduction, and. 198 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: So quit walking away from the opportunity. 199 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, and to wait until you die to give is 200 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: really bad math because you you don't get a tax deduction. 201 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 3: You don't have to pay a state taxes, but you 202 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: don't get so all your life you've been paying taxes 203 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,599 Speaker 3: on this money, and then you give it away and 204 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: don't get a deduction, and you don't know where it's going, 205 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: and you're not around to see the blessings. 206 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: Say, the coolest part is can be around to actually 207 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: see the fruits of absolute you've done. 208 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: And I think to start that when you're ten years 209 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 3: old and just you know some of the things I 210 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: did when I was in high school and college, you know, 211 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 3: sponsoring a kid and Zimbabwe for fifteen bucks. 212 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: A month or whatever back then shaped me. 213 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 3: And and so I think to start at a very 214 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 3: young age. My oldest son, when he went to college, 215 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: he started doing a thing at the door at the 216 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 3: in his apartment where he'd invite people over for dinner 217 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 3: and all they would have is a bowl of rice, 218 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,599 Speaker 3: and each person would bring five or ten bucks that 219 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 3: they would have spent on dinner. 220 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: And they'd come and. 221 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: Learn about a country where a bowl of rice would 222 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 3: be there their whole day's food. And then they'd pray 223 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 3: for that group and they'd bunch of that money together 224 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: and bend mowed off or whatever to an organization. 225 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: And it's really. 226 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: Cool, and you know, it's it's it's I don't think 227 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: it's changing that organization that much, but it's changing them. 228 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just little. 229 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: So I think everybody can get in on this, and 230 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 3: I think it's a great benefit to everybody. 231 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: It's just normal folks doing what. 232 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 3: Normal folks absolutely and we're all I mean, I'm a 233 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 3: very normal guy, so I serve an extraordinary God. 234 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: And it's it's been a great pleasure to do it. 235 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. I canna ask you question, what 236 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 2: did your kids go to high school? White State Achieving Houston. 237 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: I went to White Station Houston High School. Houston High School, 238 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: which is for everybody most of you not from Memphis. 239 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: Houston High School is in the suburbs and it's a 240 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: nice public high school out in the Germantown Carville area, 241 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: which is east of Memphis and a nice suburb. Your kids. Now, 242 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: kids are kids, and I know what my kids wanted 243 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: for birthdays and Christmases. And I also know the kind 244 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: of trips my kids wanted to go on, like Disney 245 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: World and all that stuff. 246 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: And I gotta. 247 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 2: Believe you know, you can say what you want to, 248 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: but the walls have ears in a family with six kids, 249 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: and they got to be picking it up. And at 250 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: some point it's revealed to these kids and their teens 251 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: that hey, we don't live like my dad's got a 252 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty million dollar business, and there's there's 253 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 2: got to be an evolution for the kids. And I 254 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: just got to know, did you ever feel pressure from 255 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: them because you love them, did you ever feel pressure 256 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: to maybe highten it up? A little bit, so maybe 257 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: you could offer them some opportunities that maybe you didn't 258 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: have as a kid, or maybe you just got sick 259 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 2: of listening to them ask for more or something. 260 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I did. 261 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 3: I mean, we resisted the temptation to just get tired 262 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 3: of it and just give them things we thought weren't helpful. 263 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: And you know, we we taught them the theology of 264 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 3: the Rolling Stones. There's the song the Theology of the 265 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: Rolling Rolling Stones. 266 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: Well, there's something I wouldn't expect. 267 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: There's a song that says you can't always get what 268 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 3: you want. And so I taught them that song as 269 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 3: young kids. And uh, they thought I wrote the song. 270 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 3: And later they heard it on the radio and said, hey, 271 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: Dad's song. But you know, and so there were times 272 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 3: and we said, you know, at first they were young, 273 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: and we grew up out in the country and we 274 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 3: homeschooled for several years, and we went camping, and we 275 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 3: just had a ball living out in the country. 276 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: And uh, and that was enough until you're about cell phone. 277 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: Started getting older and cell phones come along, and so 278 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 3: we didn't want our kids to have cell phones for 279 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 3: their protection, you know, So that when they got older, 280 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: when they started driving, we. 281 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: Let them have cell phones. 282 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: But but and even that, we had to be careful, 283 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 3: especially with the guy the males that there's shoes there. 284 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: But we had to be careful. 285 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: But my kids, you might think they'd be pissed off 286 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 3: about us giving away this their inheritance. 287 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's what I'm saying. 288 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this thing, we never saw it as 289 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: ours and therefore they never saw it as theirs. 290 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: And I think they really adopted the same mentality. 291 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 292 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 3: I mean, well, they're not all exactly. I mean, they 293 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: all are individual people, and as they're all on their 294 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 3: own now, some are very in line with what we do, 295 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 3: some less a little less so. But none of them resented. 296 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: I mean we we had to say no a fair 297 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: amount to them, but we also showed them the alternative. 298 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: One of the things we spent a lot of money 299 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: on is taking our kids around the world. So my 300 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: kids have been to all over Africa, to India, to 301 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 3: Israel and Egypt and Turkey and China, and we took 302 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: our kids all over the place and have them meet 303 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: these amazing people. These weren't terroist trips. They were We 304 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 3: had a lot of fun, but it was it was 305 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: going to see some of the ministries that were involved in. 306 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 3: And we also had these guys at our dinner table, 307 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 3: a whole bunch talking about what was going on in 308 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: their country, and and they'd come visit us. And my 309 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: kids grew up hearing all these stories and meeting all 310 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 3: these amazing people. 311 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: And so, you know, we didn't take the family. 312 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: To Disney World, but we we took them on some 313 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: really cool trips. 314 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: And to take them to Disney World, you took them 315 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: to the world. 316 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: The world, the world and meeting really cool people, and 317 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: that's so much more fun. 318 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: Now. We did special treats too. That one of our 319 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: theologies was special treats. 320 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: There's in the Bible, there's feasts, and there's and so 321 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 3: there's times we would go to the beach and we would. 322 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: Just screw around at the beach, go to Cracker. 323 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: Barrel on the way down there, and go to get 324 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 3: ice cream. And you know, we didn't have cable TV, 325 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: and so the kids when they go to a beach 326 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 3: and had Cartoon Network, it was like nirvana, you know. 327 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 3: And so my wife did such a great job of 328 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 3: teaching them contentment, you know, and kids don't get contentment 329 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: by getting what they want. They get content by enjoying 330 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 3: what they have. And my kids learned that and I 331 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: think it was a great gift to them. And we 332 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 3: also taught them a work ethic. And you know, we 333 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 3: let them. We let them pay for half of their college. 334 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: You let them pay for out love You say. 335 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: That, yeah, we And you know some people would think 336 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: of that as child abuse, but but we think of 337 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 3: them that. 338 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: They did they have to get loans or did they 339 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: work or. 340 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: If they got scholarships that counted. We didn't let them 341 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 3: do loans. 342 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: But that was our rule. At Lisa and I did 343 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: the same thing, no kidding. It was, here's how much 344 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: you're going to get a year for college. Well we 345 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: knew that was not going to cover college, so we 346 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: didn't do the half. We just put a number out there. Right, 347 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: here's the thing. If you work hard enough and get 348 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: a full ride, you're still going to get that number. 349 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: So I had one kid. I won't mention this one. 350 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: They got a such a good full ride at ACT 351 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 2: score and everything that not only was it all covered, 352 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: but the end of each semester she had so much 353 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: scholarship made that they gave. 354 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: Her a check back. 355 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: In that sweet she still graduated with studard debt, and 356 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: we let her, in your words, we let her learn 357 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 2: the pain behind that too. We let her have that. 358 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 3: It's so great to let kids experience pain. I think 359 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 3: I love the word that you use because so many 360 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: parents want to say I don't want my kids to 361 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: go through what I had to go through. I want 362 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 3: to say, why not? It made you who you are. 363 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: I mean, struggle and pain is a great teacher. And 364 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 3: I think we rob our kids when we protect them 365 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 3: from pain. 366 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: Let us struggle. 367 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: I can't stand the helicopter pain, iron sharpens iron, all 368 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: of it. But that's so they bought in by and large. Yeah, 369 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: that's a miracle. They were teenagers to buy into anything. 370 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 3: There was never any There was some resentment when one 371 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: kid wanted to hummer and we're not going to buy 372 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: a Hummer, you know, or something like or I want 373 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 3: a better phone away, So there was They're human beings 374 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 3: and there was a few times where they were not happy, 375 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 3: but there was not a deep resentment. Even when we 376 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 3: gave the company away. My oldest son, who was old 377 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 3: enough then to he was maybe sixteen or eighteen, he 378 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 3: came and said, Dad, thank you for getting that done, 379 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 3: because if something had happened to you, this would have 380 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 3: been a mess and I'd have been in you know, 381 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 3: thank you for getting that done. So none of my 382 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 3: kids felt like we ripped them off by by giving 383 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 3: away the company. And they're good kids. They you know, 384 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 3: they've they didn't grow up as rich kids, which I 385 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: think is a great benefit to them. But they they've 386 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 3: had I'm proud of all of them. And you know, 387 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 3: some of them have struggled a lot, made bad decisions. 388 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: We let them struggle. 389 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 2: They all do the Yeah, they don't come out with 390 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 2: an owner's manual. 391 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: No, no, no, you do the best you can. Yeah. 392 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: Six Yeah, and you love them all the same ages. 393 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 3: Now the oldest is thirty seven and the youngest is 394 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: twenty four. 395 00:18:59,160 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 396 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: Are we had four have four one two three and 397 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 2: four one two, three and four. 398 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: That's how old they were. Wow. 399 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 2: Now they're twenty nine seven, twenty six, meaning there was 400 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 2: no break. 401 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: You were busy. Yeah. Yeah, Well it's funny. 402 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that because when you said you 403 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: had six kids, I thought, well, there's one of the 404 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 2: benefits of not making much money. 405 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 3: You don't have much to do. Sept sit around the 406 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 3: house and make kids. Two of ours are actually adopted. 407 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 3: So okay, yeah, yeah, well that's still four. 408 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: Still four still for so. 409 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: For perspective, when people hear a billion dollar company, you 410 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: have machines that the truck to transport them requires like 411 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: hundreds of tires and stuff. 412 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I mean our our biggest cranes take about 413 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 3: eighty truckloads to move from one place to another. 414 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: I mean the big, big pieces of a. 415 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: Quick eighty truck loads to then assemble the crane. 416 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you take you shipping in pieces because it's 417 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 3: too big to over the road, and then you get 418 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 3: to the job site and you put it together and it. 419 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:04,719 Speaker 1: Makes it lift. 420 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 3: Oh man, it's all kinds of heavy stuff. So we're 421 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 3: we've done some stadiums. 422 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: We did. We had a big crane out at the 423 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: stadium in Las Vegas. What'd you do? 424 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: What did you do on this? I've been in the stadium. 425 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were safe. 426 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 3: At the new football stadium. Put me up a new 427 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: football stadium. They were setting big trusses and big, you 428 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: know big. They wanted to do the steal in big 429 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 3: pieces because it's up high. So we did that the 430 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 3: Nashville air. 431 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: About the roof. 432 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that kind of translistent roof those diamond looking 433 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: trusses that hold it up. Yeah, you set those things 434 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: up there. 435 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was other cranes too, but one of our 436 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 3: cranes was out there doing that. We didn't do the work, 437 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 3: we were just providing that crane. Similar in Nashville Airport, 438 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: they built a big terminal there and we put a 439 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: crane out there. But sometimes we do do the work 440 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: and so we're go to a plant. We did a 441 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: job in Detroit taking down a big piece of duct 442 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 3: work at a at a big steel mill there and 443 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: takes a huge crane because you got to reach way 444 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: back with a heavy load. 445 00:20:58,640 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: So and we have a whole bunch. 446 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 3: We have about eight hundred cranes, but that's those we're 447 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 3: talking about, the really big ones that take those. 448 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: You do something with nuclear or something, Yeah, we do 449 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: a lot. 450 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 3: Of work in the nuclear industry removing and replacing components 451 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 3: of old nuclear plants. 452 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: All the nuclear plants are pretty old. 453 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 3: They're built in the seventies, sixties, some of them, maybe 454 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 3: the eighties will be the most recent. There's been just 455 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 3: a couple built in the last thirty years and not know, 456 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 3: not very many at all. So they get old and 457 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 3: they need to replace pieces and they weren't really designed 458 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: for that, so they have to get into tight places. 459 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: And we have a bunch of engineers that build special tools, 460 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 3: so we're not doing cranes so much, but we're doing 461 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: special ways of getting in and picking up. 462 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: A heavy load and moving it out. 463 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 3: And we love we love those challenges where the customer says, 464 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: this can't be done, there's no way to do it. 465 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 2: And we said, let's tell me about the interstate underneath Seattle. 466 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: Oh the tunnel boring machine. Yeah. We Oh your eyes 467 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: lit up. Oh man, that sounds like a fun toy. 468 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: It was a huge job. It was. Tell us about it. 469 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 3: So they were they dug a tunnel. It's the large 470 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 3: diameter tunnel I think that's ever been dug. And it 471 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 3: was like sixty foot diameter. 472 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: To a healthy foot diameter all the way around. Wasn't oval, 473 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 2: it was round, it was round. Yeah, no, it's sixty foot. 474 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 2: That's huge, sixty foot diameter hole. Oh yeah yeah. And 475 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 2: so they they do it. They're doing it horizontally. But 476 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: they have this machine that was I think it was 477 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: built in China or Japan up maybe Japan. They shipped 478 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 2: it over and we had to take these pieces, some 479 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: of them weigh a thousand tons and move them into 480 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: the to the where they're going to start a thousand 481 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 2: tons on the machine. 482 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: Each each piece. Yeah, holy smoke. So we didn't use 483 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: a crane. 484 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 3: We used a lyft system for that because it would 485 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 3: take a huge, huge crane to do that. 486 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: But so we built it. 487 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 3: We have a lift tower system that picked these pieces 488 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: up and rotated them ninety degrees and put them down 489 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 3: in a hole. 490 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: And you build this thing. It's like a train. 491 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: I mean it's it's the cutter heads up front, but 492 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 3: then the driving mechanism and then all the processing cars 493 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 3: behind it. 494 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,239 Speaker 2: So when this thing is going through the rock and 495 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: it's chopping up the rock to make then where does 496 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: the rock? It does have a conveyor belt that conveyors 497 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: it backwards. 498 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: It does. 499 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 3: It has a whole series of cars behind it that 500 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: process all the stuff coming out. And then as you're going, 501 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 3: you're putting concrete segments up to. 502 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: Secure the roof, and so does it do that too? 503 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: It does that. So this machine is amazing. 504 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: We do it's cutting rock and laying concrete buttress structure. 505 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: Lack of a better word. 506 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 3: And full disclosure, all we did is picked up and 507 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 3: picked the stuff up and set it in. 508 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: You get it that somebody else designed the machine. Yeah, 509 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: it was. 510 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 3: It was a very cool machine. But we were our part. 511 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: Like a lot of times, our part is just to 512 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 3: pick up the heavy pieces and put them in place. 513 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 3: We don't build these machines. 514 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: We don't. In that case, we didn't operate the machine. 515 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: Did you go look at it? Oh? 516 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was cool. That had It's pretty cool. Yeah, 517 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 3: that had to have been insane. 518 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 2: All from a couple of twenty five year olds who 519 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 2: take over a small family business out of two bedrooms 520 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: and the upstairs while their parents go sell the world. 521 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: It is wild. It's a pretty cool story. 522 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 2: That's what you mean by an answer to prayer? 523 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of hard work. I mean that first 524 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 3: year I probably worked one hundred hours a week. 525 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: I mean it was I know what that is. 526 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 3: You're replacing mom and dad both, Max. My mom was 527 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 3: harder to replace than my dad. 528 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. 529 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: So what'd your parents do when they got back from Salem? 530 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 3: They came back into the company a little bit just 531 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 3: on some special projects. My dad did, my mom did not, 532 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 3: And then they bought a couple hundred acres up in 533 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 3: Shelby Forest and they live up. My dad just passed 534 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 3: away about a year ago, but my mom still lives 535 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 3: on that two hundred acres and she's out working. She's 536 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 3: almost ninety one, and she's the hardest working person I know. 537 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 3: I went over the other day and she had her 538 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: chainsaw out ninety one years old. 539 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: I was hitting me cutting down trees. So that's the 540 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: stock I come from. 541 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've also read that later they came to share 542 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 2: your faith. 543 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 3: They did, both of them both embraced their faith and 544 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 3: uh later in life and became very generous in their 545 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 3: own right and had just the benefit of being around 546 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 3: generous people. You don't find many sad generous people. Generous 547 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 3: people are fun to be around, and so they moved 548 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 3: into those circles and connected with a bunch of other 549 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 3: generous people and it really fulfilled their life a lot. 550 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: I'll tell you something, Allen. 551 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,479 Speaker 2: When Alex and I were talking about you as a guest, 552 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: you're obviously a typical and many many many ways, but 553 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 2: you're also atypical for a guest for us, because most 554 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: of our guests are, you know, really average normal folks 555 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: who saw an area need and filled a specific area 556 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 2: need and changed lives doing it. And we celebrate that, right, 557 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: But you're a guy who hasn't just worked hard to 558 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 2: do that. Your guy who's worked hard to be an 559 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: average normal guy, your guy who has turned his back 560 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: on what societal preconceived notion is about success, and you 561 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: illustrate what real success looks like. So many of your 562 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 2: want I want to compliment you on that. I don't 563 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 2: know how you handle compliments or if you even get 564 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 2: them like that before, but I want to say to you, 565 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 2: that's that's really inspirational. 566 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 3: I mean, so many of your other guests I think 567 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 3: are similar. Their production didn't come in the form of 568 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 3: profits being generated, but they did come in the form 569 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 3: of lives being changed. And so I think each of 570 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 3: us using our skills and gifts to serve others is 571 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 3: a great way to live life. 572 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 1: It's not. It doesn't suck something away from you. It 573 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: gives you things. And I read in Alex's prep for. 574 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 2: Interview that even in the Christian community, the average person 575 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 2: only gives about three percent of what they make away, 576 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: and that includes tithing. Yeah, three percent. I think that's 577 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 2: interesting because I recently learned from another guest, pretty much 578 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 2: every single one of us in life before we die, 579 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 2: will either us or someone extremely close to us, will 580 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 2: need blood. If you're having a routine operation, if you're 581 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 2: having your appendix outs, you gotta have blood. If you're 582 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: in a car wreck, you gotta have blood. If you're cancer, 583 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 2: you gotta blood. If you're diabetic, so you're probably going 584 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 2: to need blood or platelets. If you have cancer, you're 585 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 2: certainly going to need platelets in blood. If you're in 586 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,239 Speaker 2: the hospital older and you have some minor surgery, you're 587 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: gonna need blood. One hundred percent of us are going 588 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 2: to need blood. Do you know what the percent of 589 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 2: donors are that give blood in our population? 590 00:27:54,040 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: Probably not even one three the same number. Interesting, It 591 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: is fascinating it has the same number. 592 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 2: When I read that, I was like, Wow, Yeah, not 593 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: only is it three percent of our money, it's three 594 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 2: percent of something as easy as sitting down for an 595 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 2: hour and giving blood. 596 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: It's probably also three percent of our time. 597 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 2: Probably is. And so here's the call. We've been doing 598 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 2: this now for a year and a half, two years, 599 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: and we keep saying an army of normal not government, 600 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 2: not people on CNN and Fox, an army of average 601 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 2: normal folks seeing are your need and filling it is 602 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: what changes the world. And right now and money and blood, 603 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: we're at three percent, wow, and yours is fifty. I 604 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: don't think we're going to get people that think in 605 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 2: terms of fifty dude, because you're weird. 606 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: I hope more due. 607 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 4: Maybe not everybody, but I do hope more due. 608 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but what if we could get it to that 609 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: would triple our giving? 610 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? Think of that be billions and billions, it would 611 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: it would. 612 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 2: Be forget the money. Think about the lives that would 613 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 2: be changed. 614 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and not less significantly the lives of the givers 615 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 3: that would be changed. 616 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: Oh, I think absolutely. 617 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 3: You know, I think the lives of the recipients could 618 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 3: be changed. You know, given way, money is not easy, 619 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 3: and you can do more harm than good by giving 620 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 3: away money. It's not a given that every time you 621 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 3: give money it can it's a good thing. 622 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: I think. 623 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,719 Speaker 3: I think Christian welfare can be as damaging as government 624 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 3: welfare in terms of some of the negative. 625 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: Elements of that. So I don't I think you got 626 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: to be careful in how you give money. 627 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: And I think that's why some people don't give is 628 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 3: because they don't know where to give and they've been 629 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 3: disappointed or whatever, and they get frozen. 630 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 2: I think that's true. Yeah, I think that's absolutely true. 631 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 2: It's it boiled down to the simplest metaphor. Or You 632 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: walk in a grocery store at the corner of Poplar 633 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 2: in Cleveland, and the dude's standing outside and he's clearly homeless, 634 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 2: and you think he's probably got drug or alcohol problems, 635 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: and he wants five bucks. 636 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: Because he says he's hungry. 637 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 2: If I knew for a matter of fact that that 638 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: five bucks is going to go in his belly and 639 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: make his knife life that night a little warmer and 640 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: a little more satisfied and a little fuller, I think 641 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 2: I'd give the five bucks to everybody stand on a corner. 642 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 2: But what I worry about is he's going to go 643 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: buy weed or get drunk on it and worse than 644 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 2: his life. 645 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: That's what you're talking about. Now. 646 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: That is a metaphor. Expand that to fifty five million dollars. 647 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: It is. 648 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: It's got to you've got of that and be careful 649 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: and make sure that you're supporting good stuff. 650 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we would say we're not giving money, we're investing. 651 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 3: We're investing in life change. That these organizations we're asking 652 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 3: them to tell us what they're going to do. 653 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: We hold them accountable for it. 654 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 3: We're looking for a turn on our investment, not a 655 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 3: financial return, but a return. You take a businessman's approach 656 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 3: to your giving exactly exactly, and we ask hard questions. 657 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,239 Speaker 3: We're not if an organization doesn't want a partnership, if 658 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 3: they want a donor instead of a partner, then we're 659 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 3: not interested. But so we ask them all kinds of 660 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 3: hard questions. Sometimes the best thing we do for organizations 661 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 3: is help them think through their strategy and ask them 662 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 3: hard questions and give them no money. There's a lot 663 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 3: I think a lot of philanthropic organizations need business thinking, 664 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 3: and I think business people need ministry thinking, and I 665 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 3: think we can help each other, and so we're looking 666 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 3: for partners. 667 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: You ever heard of slim shot? Yes, yeah, pretty awesome. 668 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: I love those the same idea. 669 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 4: Yep, slink shot. Well, they kind of helped make this 670 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 4: interview happen. So Frank Smith, who's one of Allen's good friends, 671 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 4: set up this interview and Frank helped starts slink Shots. 672 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: Is that how or whether it is, or we could 673 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 2: have just called Alan and he'd probably just shown up. 674 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 2: So slink Shot sling Shots been a guest on the 675 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: show before good because as we talk about this hour 676 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 2: mean normal folks, engaging and everything else, it's important that 677 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 2: we have data driven results and hold ourselves accountable to 678 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: the work we're doing. 679 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think for forgivers to find people like 680 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 3: Slingshot to help guide them is really wise. It is 681 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 3: you know, everything looks good on the video. 682 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: And well they're not handing out pamphlets say how bad 683 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 2: they are, that's for sure. 684 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 3: I mean some things are just pure Charlatan's and some 685 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 3: are just mediocre, and some you know, just not very good, 686 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 3: and some are highly effective. Some of those highly effective 687 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 3: organizations are the worst at fundraising, and so you've got 688 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 3: to go dig and find them. But when you can 689 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 3: find somebody that you have a confidence, and I think 690 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 3: it's better to give to a fewer groups more deeply 691 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 3: and get engaged more deeply. 692 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: Like you said, partnerships, Yeah, you can become a partner. 693 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 2: You ain't flying over a city and an airplane and 694 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: throwing out hundreds. 695 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 3: You know, I go to that that that Kroger you're 696 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 3: talking about it Poplar and Cleveland. 697 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: I go. That's all my way home. And I go 698 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: to that a lot. 699 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 3: And and when somebody approaches, I don't give them money, 700 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 3: and I will say, I've got grocery bags. Is there 701 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 3: any of this food that you want? I'll give you 702 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 3: whatever this food you want. And they never want any 703 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 3: of my food. If you're hungry, please take whatever you'd like. 704 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 3: And so, you know, to be a sometimes sometimes saying 705 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 3: no is the right thing, and it's it's hard. I 706 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 3: mean sometimes I do give money, but a lot of 707 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 3: times I do not. I try to carry candy bars 708 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 3: or whatever. 709 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 2: To You could also say, hey, man, my kids left, 710 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 2: I took a pay cut. 711 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: I can't afford it. I'm down to my last few bucks. 712 00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: I'm struggling. 713 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 2: Barnhart co founder and CEO of Barnhart cranon rigging. But 714 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 2: most importantly, an absolute inspiration. And if this man can 715 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 2: do what he has done, and we are working on 716 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 2: three percent as a national average in our country, let's 717 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 2: let's maybe use this story as an inspiration to maybe 718 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 2: not get to fifty. 719 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 4: But certain discouraging people from getting the fifties. 720 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 2: So I'm not discouraging anybody, but baby steps. Three to 721 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 2: fifty is pretty tough. But three to ten I think 722 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: we can do. And that also includes your time, your energy, 723 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 2: your effort. Everyone has a resource to give and if 724 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 2: you want to be a member of the Army in 725 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 2: normal folks, let's get above three percent. 726 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: What do you think? Allen? Amen? Amen, Amen, thanks for 727 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: being here. Thank you, It's been a treat. Really appreciate it. 728 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 2: And George and I thank you for joining us this week, 729 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,959 Speaker 2: don't we George bring the bell. 730 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: Great. 731 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 2: If Alan Barnhardt has inspired you in general or better yet, 732 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 2: to take action by considering what lifestyle and generosity commitments 733 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 2: you could make, or something else entirely, please let me know. 734 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 2: I'd love to hear about it. You can write me 735 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 2: anytime at Bill at normal folks dot us, and I 736 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 2: promise you I will respond. Will not George say it loud, 737 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 2: I'll respond wanna Okay? 738 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: Good? 739 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,479 Speaker 2: And if you enjoyed this episode, share it with friends 740 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 2: and on social subscribe to the podcast, rate and review it. 741 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 2: Join the Army at normal folks dot us. Consider becoming 742 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 2: a Premium member there, Any and all of these things 743 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 2: will help us grow an army of normal folks. I'm Bill, Courtney, 744 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,439 Speaker 2: Me and George. We want you to do what you can. 745 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time.