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Speaker 1: Welcome to Is this a great game or what? And

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Speaker 1: our special guest today is former Major league pitcher Kent Merker.

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Speaker 1: Played on the championship team with the Braves in ninety five,

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Speaker 1: pitched a no hitter, played for Bobby Cox, played for

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Speaker 1: nine different teams. Kent, this is my son, Jeff Salo.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Jeff, Hello Tim. Great to be on man, appreciate

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Speaker 2: you having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeff, I have reconnected with Kent over the years here.

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Speaker 1: He hadn't played a little while, but the other night

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Speaker 1: he sent me a text because he listens to the

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Speaker 1: show and he loves the alphabet that we do, so

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Speaker 1: at the when it came up to the letter M,

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Speaker 1: he sends me a text saying, Okay, I know there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of competition for the M pitcher. You got Messina,

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Speaker 1: you got Mareschal, you got Maddox, you got Christy Bathison,

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Speaker 1: and you have Kent Murker. So I picked Maddox over Mercer,

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Speaker 1: I picked I picked Maddox over Kent Murker. Kent, are

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Speaker 1: you still want to do the show?

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Speaker 2: Dude? I want to know why Jeff's laughing so hard

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Speaker 2: about that. I mean, come on, dude, if hey without me,

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Speaker 2: Maddox may not be the pitcher he is or was.

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Speaker 2: I was a very supportive teammate. We worked on his

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Speaker 2: change up a lot. You know. I'd go over and

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Speaker 2: we'd throw, you know, in his driveway because Leo didn't

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Speaker 2: know what he was doing, so we would go over

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Speaker 2: and I would help him with a change up, literally

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Speaker 2: in his driveway. No, I'm kidding. I didn't help Greg Maddicks.

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Speaker 2: I got him coffee if he asked for That's the

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Speaker 2: only thing I did to help Greg Maddicks.

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Speaker 1: Wow, But but Kent, You threw a no hitter and

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Speaker 1: Greg Maddox didn't. Isn't that one of the beauties of baseball.

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Speaker 1: You had a good career, don't get me wrong. You

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Speaker 1: won seventy four games whatever it was, pitched for a

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Speaker 1: million teams. He did really well. But Maddix ever threw

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Speaker 1: a no hitter and you did. Isn't that great about baseball?

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Speaker 2: That's what I love about the games. It's not discriminate

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Speaker 2: towards anyone, right Like you look at that rotation with

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Speaker 2: obviously Avery Maddox, Smoltz Glave three Hall of Famers, and

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Speaker 2: I was the only one to throw a no hitter,

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Speaker 2: which it just doesn't make sense, But I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: a funny story about that if you want to hear it. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: I throw that Dodger Stadium April eighth, So it was

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Speaker 2: my first start out of spring training. I ended up

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Speaker 2: throwing one hundred and thirty one pitches, which would not

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Speaker 2: even wouldn't happen today because the pitch counts and all that.

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Speaker 2: But all the hooplaus over I do, all my interviews,

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Speaker 2: Bobby calls me in that little office in Dodger Stadium. Tim,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you've seen it. Yeah, he goes, great game, kid.

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Speaker 2: He goes, listen, we got an off day Monday, right,

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Speaker 2: He goes, we're going to skip you. We're gonna skip

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Speaker 2: your new start, but we can keep the other four

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Speaker 2: guys on their normal day. And I'm like, I said, yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: and I walk out going, Man, I throw a no

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Speaker 2: I'm probably the only guy to throw a no no

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Speaker 2: wait like ten days to pitch again. But you know

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Speaker 2: what I understood? Why?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Jeff I was at Kent Merker's no hitter.

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Speaker 1: I was at Sports Illustrated. I wasn't there for any

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Speaker 1: particular reason, just checking up on some teams and Kent

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Speaker 1: Murker threw a no hitter when I was at the game,

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Speaker 1: and I talked to him the next day and I said, so,

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Speaker 1: how are you feeling today? And he told me back

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Speaker 1: when CNN had like headline news, where the same thing

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Speaker 2: He likes stayed up all night watching the sport.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because he was a highlight. Can't you remember that, right? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely? And it just like you said, it just rolled,

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Speaker 2: it rolled, And I'm like, you know what, that may

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Speaker 2: be the best game of my life. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: watch as much as this as I can. And you

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Speaker 2: know what was cool too, is is I was always

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Speaker 2: And what the best part of that for me was

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I felt fortunate one to pitch there, but

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Speaker 2: to have Vin Scully call that game, who I think

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Speaker 2: the best. But it was just kind of cool. Oh

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Speaker 2: that is but I missed, Yeah, and Bobby bench me.

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Speaker 2: He benched me because I wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know now, Ken.

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Speaker 3: First of all, the Bobby Cox is like one of

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Speaker 3: our favorites of all time on this podcast. Anytime we

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Speaker 3: have a chance to get a Bobby Cox story, obviously,

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Speaker 3: you just opened up with that one. Do you have

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Speaker 3: any other Bobby Cox stories you can share with us,

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Speaker 3: because we just love him so much, his character, legendary manager.

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Speaker 3: What do you want to share?

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Speaker 2: You know what? Like Bobby was very simple. He had

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Speaker 2: all had the same rules. But the one time, I'll

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Speaker 2: And by the way, Bobby called me a top step.

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Speaker 2: But I get into I get into a situation where

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Speaker 2: that's what he's getting ready to tell me, and he

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Speaker 2: He just stares at me, and it felt like an

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Speaker 2: At the end, that slider was neat like complimenting me.

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Speaker 2: And I covered first on fly balls to left field

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Speaker 2: gonna just because you know what, Bobby had this aura

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Speaker 2: You know. It was like he was your grandfather, and

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Speaker 2: his soul, obviously, but you knew what you got. He's

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Speaker 1: Do you know the jeff Frank or Tiger Woods golf

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Speaker 1: story that Jeffrey was talking about is does that not

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Speaker 1: sum up who Bobby Cox was as a manager better

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Speaker 2: It's it's epitomizes who Bobby was. And you know, Bobby

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Speaker 2: he would come over and make the time to go, hey,

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Speaker 2: how's Julie my wife, how's Maddie? Mattie's your oldest right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You weren't just someone that if you had two bad

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Speaker 2: the Frank Core story is epitomizes him. It really does, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Frank Core is twenty two years old, it's spring training.

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Speaker 1: He's got a chance to play with Tiger. Bobby goes

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Speaker 1: to him before the game and says, I understand spring

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Speaker 1: but I'm not playing. I'm staying here. Bobby says, I

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Speaker 1: Everyone hates going there. He said, if you do that,

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Speaker 1: exactly what Frank Coorr did. He plays twenty seven with

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Speaker 1: never hurt in the first place, Bobby set it up.

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Speaker 2: And but yep, you're right.

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Speaker 1: It personifies who Bobby is because if he did that

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Speaker 1: for me, I would run through a wall for him

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Speaker 2: When I got called up, I got called up, he

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Speaker 2: L Back to your no hitter.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you you had a combined no hitter

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Speaker 2: I come in after the sixth and Bobby just says, hey, listen,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he can start. And this was

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Speaker 2: He told me on a spring training you're a starter.

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Speaker 3: I was always so curious when when you're in that

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Speaker 3: The family knows, Okay, it's what day we're doing, unless

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Speaker 2: The dude, I didn't have a quarter for the payphone

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Speaker 2: So yeah, but it was. That was a fun night,

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Speaker 2: It really was. And again I gave Bobby. I told Leo, like, really,

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Speaker 2: I still to this day, I'm like, dude, you're making

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Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, I remember you. And I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 2: best part of my no hitter when I watched it

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Speaker 2: the replay is to see Smolsey and Avery and Maddox

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Speaker 2: how excited they were for me. They were the first

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Speaker 2: That was what was cool to me. Three events, Hall

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll get to the Three Hall of Famers

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Speaker 1: in a minute. Ken, But Jeff, you know how much

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Speaker 1: I love bizarre, quirky, arcane statistics. Yesterday, Kent Merker told

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Speaker 1: So I checked it out personally this morning at about

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Speaker 1: what isn't like to be a part of that triumphant

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Speaker 2: Dude, I never would have thought about a buddy of mine.

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Speaker 2: I've still got moronic buddies like me that just come

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Speaker 2: you think he is, Like look at this, But I

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Speaker 2: that's actually kind of cool, right like, And I wasn't

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Speaker 2: It was about obviously getting to a World Series and

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Speaker 2: God that ninety one World Series, by the way, was awesome.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I had no idea. And I'm like, girls,

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Speaker 2: look at this. You think I'm the old guy with

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Speaker 2: I borrow hundred bucks? That's the follow up. And I'm like, yeah, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, my sister, My sister used to call my dad

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Speaker 3: the ATM with nosehair sneak.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's hilarious.

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Speaker 1: He knows a little bit about that.

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Speaker 2: It happened.

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Speaker 1: So can you hit one home run in your career

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Speaker 1: and it was a grand slam?

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Speaker 2: Tell us about that. I looked it up. I found it.

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Speaker 1: Tell us what happened that day.

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Speaker 2: So I'll send you the video if you want it.

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Speaker 2: But yes, I so, here's Jeff and Tim. Here's the

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Speaker 2: best part of that story. This is just like getting

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Speaker 2: I gave up one run. Kot Say hit a solo

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Speaker 2: I was like, So I'm sitting there and I'm like yeah.

427
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Speaker 2: So instead of just going in and getting it, I said,

428
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: you know what, come with me. So I bring him

429
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 2: and his dad into the clubhouse. Mark's over there in

430
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,959
Speaker 2: his locker with his beastly forearms in his underwear, and

431
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 2: I walk him and his dad over and I said, hey, Mac,

432
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 2: I want my grand Slam ball, but you've got to

433
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Speaker 2: sign something because the kid doesn't want my autograph, he

434
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Speaker 2: wants your. So Mark signed a bat for him. Mark

435
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: signed a bat for him. And but the paper the

436
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: next day wasn't tent Murker pitched seven to one run

437
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: Gotta win. It was Mark McGuire breaks Pack Wilson's National

438
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 2: League record. And then at the very end of the article,

439
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 2: right down there at the bottom, oh, by the way,

440
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 2: Kemp Merker hit his first career home run Grand Slam

441
00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: and pitched seven innings. It was like, what do I

442
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: gotta do to get any kind of recognition this game? Right?

443
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: So Ken, which which made me think maybe I should

444
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: streak during the seventh any one game that would definitely mean.

445
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Speaker 1: Ken.

446
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: Uh.

447
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 1: Derek Jeter hit one Grand Slam in his career, Pete

448
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: Rose hit one Grand Slam. You have as many career

449
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: Grand Slams as Pete Rose and Derek Jeter. Does that

450
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: make you feel a little better?

451
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: That's why I should have moved up on your end

452
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: list tim as the best pitchers. It's a pitching just isn't.

453
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Speaker 2: It's also includes offense. Matticks didn't having a great Christy

454
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Speaker 2: doesn't have a no hitter.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have a no hitter either, or a Grand

456
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: Slam or a combye no hitter. But no, all right,

457
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: let's let's get to him for reals here.

458
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 2: But but but but Maddox has two hundred and eighty

459
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Speaker 2: more wins than I do, so that probably figured into

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Speaker 2: your calculus, right.

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Speaker 1: So Ken, seriously, we'll get to Maddox the Crazy band

481
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: in a minute, but tell me what it was like

482
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: to watch him pitch in his prime.

483
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 2: It was amazing, like and you know, this guy's nowadays,

484
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 2: Like velocity is just it's the Holy Grail, right, Like,

485
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: if you throw hard, you're gonna get opportunities. I would

486
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: watch Greg Maddox dominate for nine innings and nothing flashy, right,

487
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: there was no ooh ah, like there were no nothing

488
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: that you look up and see a radar gun and

489
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: go wow. I remember charting a game when but when

490
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 2: back when we were with Atlanta, if you were starting

491
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: the night after you went in, Bobby, let us stay

492
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: in the clubhouse to watch it on television so we

493
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: could chart the game. You know, you kept ball strikes,

494
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: foul balls, like, you kept everything what the pitch was,

495
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: and it was supposed to help us like game plan

496
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: for when we were going to pitch against that team

497
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 2: the next day. So I watched and this was in

498
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: ninety man might have been ninety four, ninety five, and

499
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: it was the Giants. Maddox was pitching in Atlanta August hot,

500
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: you know, Atlanta and August. And I'm up there charting

501
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 2: and the game's over and this is the Barry Bonds,

502
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: J T. Snow Rich Aurelia, Jeff Kent, like this is

503
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: a really good Giants lineup. He throws a shut out.

504
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: I think he gave up three hits, maybe four, walk

505
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 2: none like always, and struck out like maybe five. So

506
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: I'm total in the pitches and you know, that's what

507
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: I got to do. Eighty four total pitches. And I'm like, oh, man,

508
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 2: I missed it any right, Like I must have got

509
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 2: up to get a hot dog or I had to

510
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: there's no way. And I look back and I'm panicking, going,

511
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: oh my god, Leo is going to be pissed because

512
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: I didn't get this right. No, I got it right.

513
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: And the craziest thing about it, guys, he threw eighty

514
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: four pitches in a complete game and threw seventy two strikes.

515
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 2: He threw twelve ball in a nine inning game against

516
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: a really really, really good lineup. And the best part

517
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: of the story I'm going to add to it. I

518
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: see him after the game. He's over in his locker

519
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: doing his interviews and I'm in my locker and he

520
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: gets done. He takes his uniform off, throws it in

521
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: the bin, and immediately puts his dress clothes on, or

522
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: his clothes he wore of the park, didn't shower, And

523
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I got to give him some crap

524
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: about this. I go, bro, like, really, you're not going

525
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: to shower. He goes, Dude, I didn't even sweat tonight.

526
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: And he goes and I'm playing and he goes and

527
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: I'm playing golf in the morning, so why would I shower? Now,

528
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: go golf and sweat and then shower again. So he

529
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: literally just put his street clothes on and left, and

530
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: I just looked at him like, dude, I am never

531
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: going to be one as cool as Greg Mannix and

532
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: I have no chance playing this game if that's how.

533
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: But it was hilarious. He literally did. He did like

534
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: a sniff test. He was like, I'm good, and just

535
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: put his golf shirt on and he's like, I'm playing

536
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: golf in the morning, dude, I'll shower after golf. And

537
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right. He was dead. He's I could

538
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: tell you a thousand Mattocks stories. That just why you

539
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: knew he was the best at his job, because he

540
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: I know you've seen the Chipper story. I was there

541
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: when he told Bobby he was going to get the

542
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: guy to pop up in foul territory at third base

543
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: with a base open. You've heard all those, but yes,

544
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: he told me one time. We were sitting in the dugout.

545
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: He wasn't Glad was pitching, and this was back when

546
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: sometimes you had back to back starts against the same team,

547
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: just based on the schedule. We're facing the Cubs. He

548
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: just taps me. When this hitter comes up. He goes

549
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: watch this and I'm like what. He goes their first

550
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: base coach may go to the hospital after this a battle,

551
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: and I'm like what, I'm not on my kids' lives.

552
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: The third or fourth pitch, this hitter hits a foul

553
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: ball and it hits whoever. The first base coach was

554
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: right in the chest. He goes down but gets back up.

555
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: He was fine, and I just looked at him and

556
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: I walked away. I'm like, I didn't even want to

557
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: be around you. You're like, you scare me now. So

558
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: then he explains to me the game. He's like, listen,

559
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: this is how we approached this guy. We pitched him

560
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: in the whole last series. That was the book on him.

561
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: Fastballs in, fastballs in fastballs in. Glad obviously had a

562
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: really good change up. He goes, he's going to be

563
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: looking for the fastball in He's going to open early.

564
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: Glad's going to throw the change up away. The only

565
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: place he can hit it is foul towards first base,

566
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: and sure enough he did it, and I was like, dude,

567
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: how do you how do you even see these things?

568
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: And it was just I always tell people I was

569
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: never the smartest guy in the clubhouse, but I made

570
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: sure to sit next to Greg Maddicks and just listen

571
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: to him because that's how much he knew about pitching. Dad,

572
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: you know how you're.

573
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say if I may kent pitch

574
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 3: seventeen years in the majors and he's sitting next to

575
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: somebody and you just said, I, I can't even be

576
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: a part of this game. So if a major league

577
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: pitcher is sitting next to another pitcher saying, I don't

578
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 3: even I can't even understand what he's thinking, what do

579
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: you think, Dad, even though you've covered this game your

580
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: whole life and I love this game, we don't even

581
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: know anything about it.

582
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: If that's what Maddox is.

583
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: Doing, it's incredible.

584
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: It's incredible testament.

585
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: This is why, when it comes to career value, he

586
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: might be the greatest pitcher that we've seen in our lifetime.

587
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: Career value given and Kent. As you may know, Maddox

588
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: had nine hundred and ninety nine career walks with three

589
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: starts to go because he knew he was retiring at

590
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: the end of the season that season and he didn't

591
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: walk anyone his last three starts because there's no way

592
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: in the world that he was going to have a

593
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: thousand walks in his group, even though he pitched well

594
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: over five thousand innings. Does that sound like him.

595
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? I mean, the guy was off charts.

596
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: Another thing about mad Dog, which I think is really cool,

597
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: like if you look at his you know this was

598
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: I work with players now as an agent, and you

599
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: know this was three or four years ago. There were

600
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: two guys in all Major League Baseball that had two

601
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: hundred innings, right, and they're like, oh, these guys are workhorses,

602
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: at which they are in today's game, right, Like it's

603
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: not their fault they're being taken out. But Maddix had

604
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: a streak of I forget how many years in a

605
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: row where he threw at least two hundred innings. It

606
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: was like eighteen years or seventeen years in a row,

607
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: and then one year he pitched like one hundred and

608
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: ninety nine and a third, and it was late in

609
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: the year. Obviously Bobby was trying to set up the

610
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: rotation and get bullpen work before the playoffs. So he

611
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: goes to Maddox after five scoreless and he goes, hey,

612
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get I need a bullpen. So and so

613
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: needs an inning, and so and so needs and inning.

614
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, fine, but it would have been like

615
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: twenty basically every year he pitched where he got to

616
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: two hundred innings. But mad Dog didn't care about that stuff.

617
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: He could care less. But he's, dude, I can't I

618
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: could you know how you have your hat that has

619
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: the little holes in the top, but those little islets.

620
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: He would sit there and he would put dude, much better,

621
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: do I look now, by the way, this is better

622
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: for your audience. But he would sit there in the

623
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: dugout during a game and he would be doing that

624
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what are you doing? And he's like

625
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: he was just watching the picture only through that little

626
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: people or whatever you call it islet ag lit But

627
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: I don't know aglt's a shoestring. But anyway, he would

628
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: sit there and he goes, all right, tell me what's

629
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 2: going on. So he would look and he would watch

630
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 2: the picture and he'd go, that's a fastball down in

631
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: a way and I'm like yeah, And then the next

632
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 2: one slider in the dirt inside. Yeah. He could tell.

633
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: That's how much he studied this game where he's and

634
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: again that's when I walked away. I'm like, bro, i

635
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: am going to be horrible at this game if I'm

636
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: not doing the things he's doing. But he just he

637
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: just And when we would go back to the hotel,

638
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: like after games and there were late games on, we

639
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: would go to the hotel play cards or whatever, and

640
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: he would put the game on someone else's game and

641
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: put it on. He goes, put it on mute, and

642
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, he goes, I don't want to hear

643
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: what they're telling me about the game. I want to

644
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: watch and see what they're doing in this game, like

645
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: the third baseman's playing in or they're you know, all

646
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: these little things. He paid attention to all that, and

647
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: it was, it was, it was. I was very fortunate

648
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: to play with him, along with a lot of the

649
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: other guys, but he was the guy by the way.

650
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: He was very approachable. He wouldn't come to you and

651
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: tell you. But if you ask him something about pitching,

652
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: he'd talk to you for ten hours about it.

653
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: Amazing, and he was the greatest prankster ever. Kid, So

654
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: let you have to tell us one. I mean, I

655
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: know there are a million prankster stories from Greg maddox.

656
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: Just tell us what.

657
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what what? What is this? Rated?

658
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: Is this like a you g rated?

659
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: Tell the story you told me the other day. It'll

660
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: it'll fly, don't worry.

661
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: So Chipper Jones is a rookie nineteen ninety five. He's

662
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: a rookie and he goes out he's like two for

663
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: three or three for four, this and that. So we're

664
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: in the shower after the game and Mad Dog's showering

665
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: right next to him, and he turns and talks to Chipper.

666
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: He goes, hey, man, I've played with a lot of rookies.

667
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 2: You know this and that. That's so impressive, Like I

668
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: can't believe you know you just you're poise, your this

669
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 2: your approach to you know hitting. He goes, it's really good.

670
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: You're going to have a great career. And Chipper's like,

671
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: oh my god, I can't believe Greg maddox is talking

672
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: to me. You know, I'm twenty years old and I

673
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: got one of the best pitchers talking to me. Well

674
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: ends up. Maddox didn't care. But he was peen on

675
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 2: him the entire times he was telling this story and

676
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: we're all we all see it. We're laughing and chippers.

677
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is I'm like, dude, he's pissing

678
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 2: on you. Like, but that's who Maddox was. That's that's

679
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: who it was. And I'll tell you another And he

680
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 2: may be mad for telling this, but in spring training,

681
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: like we had our workouts and it was a little

682
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: down in West Palm Beach. It was a little you

683
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: couldn't even call it a weight room today, it would

684
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: be a closet. But he would do the EFX machine

685
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: and for him, he would wipe a bogger on the

686
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: wall in front of the machine, so he knew if

687
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: he worked out that day or not. So you'd go

688
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: in there and you're like, dude, You've like, hey, I've

689
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: done the FX the last six days, and I'm like,

690
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: or coach whatever the strength coach, how do you know,

691
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: look at my boogers? And I'm like And then you'd

692
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: go out and throw a shut out you know what

693
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: I mean, and then you're like, dude. It got to

694
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: the point with Mad Dog in ninety three, nine, four,

695
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: ninety five where if we were on the road and

696
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: we scored a run in the first we were like,

697
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: good game, feel bad for the other team they lost.

698
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: He was that good, but he had fun with it.

699
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: And if you asked him today, you talk about being humble,

700
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: like he wouldn't brag about anything he did personally, nothing

701
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: that he wasn't about that.

702
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: Ken, you brought up Chipper Jones, one of the greatest

703
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: players that I have ever covered. Tell us a Chipper

704
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: Jones story about how great he was.

705
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: You know what, Chipper. I don't really have any good

706
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 2: Chipper stories because when I was with Chipper, he was

707
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: he was a rookie, right, so he wasn't allowed to

708
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: be Chipper yet I went back in O three for

709
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: the playoffs, so I got to obviously revisit with Chipper. Dude.

710
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: Chipper was that guy that we saw in spring training.

711
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: Just he just walked different, he moved different, like before

712
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: he got a big league get back. You could just

713
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: look at him. JD drew a similar to this with me,

714
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: but you could look at Chipper and go this, this

715
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: kid's gonna be really really good, you know. And obviously,

716
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: now how many years later, Hall of Famer. Maybe the

717
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: best switch hitter, Tim, that's up to you. Maybe the

718
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: best switch hitter of all time. I don't know. But

719
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: Chipper was the guy that obviously started at third, moved

720
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: or left. He was gonna do whatever the team needed

721
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: him to do defensively, and obviously his offensive prowess is

722
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: as good as anybody. I actually did pretty well against

723
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: him once I got traded, which makes no sense, but

724
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 2: Chipper was that guy, dude. And you know what, if

725
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: if anybody that played for Bobby was like Bobby, it

726
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: was Chipper, if that makes sense, Like he's I'm gonna

727
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: be there early, I'm gonna work hard, I'm not gonna

728
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: embarrass the team. I'm gonna help us win a game tonight.

729
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: And that's and he did it. And he had a

730
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: little arrogance to him, but I think anyone that's that

731
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: good will, but dude, great teammate, supported everybody. If I

732
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: threw a pitch it was stupid, and he'd tell me, dude,

733
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: why'd you throw that pitch. Here's as a hitter, this

734
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: is what I'm looking for in that situation that count

735
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: like it was a two way street with him and

736
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: obviously deserves what he got Hall of Fame and yeah,

737
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: great player. And Bobby took him right out of the

738
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: gate and made sure he knew how to play the game.

739
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: And by the way, did you know this? Did you

740
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: know the story that this was back when the draft

741
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: that the Braves wonted Van poppel remember him from Texas?

742
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know the story, Ken, but you need to

743
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: tell it. This is my favorite Chipper Jones story.

744
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Braves are going to pick and they

745
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 2: were going to take Van Poppol and Van Popple's agent

746
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: at the time, we all know who he is. He

747
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: said he's not signing, he's going to school, right and

748
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: you know, committed and not knowing that apparently he had

749
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: a deal with Oakland down the road. The rules have

750
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: changed today, you can't do it. But so they pass

751
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: on Van Poppole and they end up drafting Chipper Jones.

752
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: And then Bobby tells the stories like you know what,

753
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: efil I got the better player. It ended up working

754
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: out for the Braves, obviously, you know, and nothing against

755
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: Van Popa won fifty five games in the big leagues,

756
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: but they weren't going to take Chipper. They needed pitching,

757
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 2: which the Braves did back then. They drafted their pitcher.

758
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: If we get the best pitchers, we're going to win games.

759
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 2: Bobby always believed that. And they they missed out on

760
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: Van Poppel because they didn't think they were going to

761
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: sign him if they drafted him. He was going to

762
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: go to school. And there's Chipper just sitting there, and

763
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: Bobby love Chipper obviously, and they took Chipper. And then

764
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 2: twenty years later, story wrote itself right.

765
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: But the kicker to that story is the meeting that

766
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: the Braves had with Chipper pre draft lasted thirty minutes,

767
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: that's it. And he didn't have an agent. His dad

768
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: was an agent. His dad said, Chipper, you can get

769
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: more than this, but I'm not interested in making money here.

770
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: He said.

771
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: I am here because I want to be the number

772
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: one pick. I want to play right away. And he said,

773
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 1: and I'm going to make so much money in this game,

774
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't need to get it in the first contract.

775
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: Does that not personify who Chipper is?

776
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? He knew he was a good player,

777
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: He knew that the Braves were the perfect organization and

778
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: that thirty minutes, I'm sure Bobby was involved. And if

779
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: you spend thirty minutes in a recruiting meeting with Bobby,

780
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: you're going to sign with Bobby, right Like you're going

781
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: to leave there going. Okay, Florida, kid, Atlanta's kind of

782
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: close to home if you can be close. At the time,

783
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: there are no teams in Florida, and so it was

784
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 2: just a perfect fit. But and you know what, Chipper

785
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: probably could have made a lot more money playing this

786
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: game had he gone free agency, but he wasn't going

787
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: to leave Bobby right. And it again another compliment to

788
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: Bobby is that you got the best players in the

789
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: world and they don't want to leave you, even though

790
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: they could make twice as much money. You know, he

791
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: made play money, don't get me wrong, but probably could

792
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: have made more. But I'm buying into the everything that

793
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: goes on here in Atlanta. And you know, they end

794
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: up winning fourteen consecutive divisions, which will I don't think

795
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: it will ever be done in any sport again. But yeah, Chipper,

796
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: Chipper is a great dude man. Like I know, He's

797
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: had a couple off the field issues with marriages, but

798
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 2: so what he was. He was there ready to hit

799
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: third every day from the left on the right side.

800
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: And where do you need me to play third left?

801
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: I'll play anywhere. I just want to be part of

802
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: this kent.

803
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: You, in your career seventeen years, played for a number

804
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: of teams, including the Braves twice, the Reds a couple times.

805
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 3: And so for you, I mean the Braves, We've talked

806
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: a lot about those teams in your years in Atlanta,

807
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 3: But tell us a little bit about you know, bouncing around,

808
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: whether it was you know, the then Indians or the

809
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: Orioles or the Angels. I mean, you had quite a

810
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: career on quite a few teams. And I always ask

811
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: players this, especially ones who bounce around. Do you have

812
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: a jersey in your home of every team you played for?

813
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: I did. But by the way, if you ask me

814
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: people that don't know me, or like, who'd you play for,

815
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, let's save some time. I'll tell you the

816
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 2: teams I didn't play for, and we'll start from the right.

817
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, and you know what, like people ask me

818
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: what's your favorite place? Atlanta will always be my favorite

819
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: place to play. That's where I learned the game. At

820
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: the big league level. Uh, you guys know Ryan Dempster, right,

821
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: probably the funniest guy. Of course, he told me one time.

822
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: He told me one time, and I can't do the

823
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: math right now, nine times twenty five as what twenty five?

824
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: He goes, Dude, you're you're one. You're somebody's top two

825
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty fifth best teammate ever. You know, like

826
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: who's your favorite too, Well, you're definitely in my top

827
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: two twenty five March and I'm like, thanks, buddy, But

828
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: now you know what, Like I got to play for

829
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: obviously Bobby, I got to play for Larusa. I played

830
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: for some real Dusty Baker. I got to play for

831
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 2: some really good managers with completely as much success, but

832
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: just completely different styles of managing. And I feel blessed.

833
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, you'd rather play for one team your whole career.

834
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: But a lot of the times when I got traded,

835
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: it was you know, the deadline, it was we need

836
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: a lefty, you know, So I always upgraded when I

837
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: got traded, you know, like the one year I got

838
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: traded from Cincinnati three we were like thirty games under

839
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: five hundred or twenty five, and the Braves called and

840
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: they traded me to the Braves, and I'm like, good,

841
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: I'm going to the playoffs, you know what I mean. Like, so,

842
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: I didn't mind moving around. I loved meeting all the

843
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: guys I got to meet over the years. Like baseball,

844
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: whether it's it's a fraternity, you know, like you'll immediately

845
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: fit in, You'll immediately get along with guys. And that's

846
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: what I love about that game. It's just you fit in.

847
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to say I wished I played

848
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: for nine teams, but I appreciate it looking back that

849
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: I got to meet a lot of different guys and

850
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: the friendships I've made over the years from playing for

851
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 2: those nine different teams was awesome. It was a little

852
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 2: tough on my wife and you get a call and say, hey,

853
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: you need to be in Atlanta tomorrow or you need

854
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: to be in Cleveland tomorrow, and you know, I just

855
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: had to go. It was my family that was tougher

856
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: on that they got to unpack a condo somehow, get

857
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: back to you know, here in Ohio, and then figure

858
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: out where they're going to go from there. But for me,

859
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: it was great.

860
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: So Kent you played with seventeen Hall of Famers. You

861
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: told me that this morning at four am. Off the

862
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: top of my head, I went through all the teams

863
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: you played and I tried to come up with all

864
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: the Hall of Famers, and I think I'm missing somebody

865
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: or two. Well do you know, do you remember all

866
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: the Hall of famers you played with?

867
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: I'm including managers in that.

868
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well, Bobby.

869
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: That that might be why your list is short. So Bobby, right,

870
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: larusa dusty like, so I'm including that. And by the way,

871
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: if they have if they ever let the steroid era,

872
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: in which I don't know if they will or not,

873
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: obviously that's a debatable topic. But then my list jumps

874
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 2: up like six more guys, and I always say it's

875
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 2: because I was a supportive teammate. They wouldn't have got

876
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 2: there without me. I'm kidding, obviously, but yeah, it seems

877
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: like every other year when they do the induction, I'm like,

878
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: oh man, I played with him, Yeah, I played with him.

879
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 2: Oh man, I played with him too. Like it's just weird.

880
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: And honestly, that's part of traveling around as much as

881
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 2: I did from team to team. And I don't know

882
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 2: if anyone can say they played with more. Maybe there is,

883
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: but certainly, if you played with one team your whole career,

884
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to say you played

885
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: with seventeen Hall of Famers. I mean even a Yankee.

886
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: How about this, Bobby Cox, Joe Tory, Tony La Russa

887
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: all went into the Hall of Fame at the same

888
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: in the same year, and Steve Carse played for all

889
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: three of those guys. Kent, even you didn't do that.

890
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: Isn't that pretty cool that I played with the three

891
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: managers who were going in the same year.

892
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 2: Yep, And didn't Maddix and glav go in that year

893
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: as well or.

894
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: Smolts I believe, yes, yeah, which I thought was cool.

895
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: And you know what, and because of that, I didn't

896
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: make your final end list. I get it, you went

897
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 2: with the k Carse. I get that.

898
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: That kid. We had John smolt On a couple of

899
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: years ago. Just tell he forget that. He's one of

900
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: the greatest pictures we've ever seen. Slider fastball combo was

901
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: just breathtaking to watch. But tell us the story about

902
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: how competitive John Smoltz was, not just in baseball, but

903
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: in everything in life.

904
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: Did it was golf, he was so competitive playing Remember

905
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 2: the game five hundred where you would if you catch

906
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 2: the ball in the air worth one hundred one hop

907
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 2: seventy five. Dude, we were playing for money during batting practice.

908
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: Bobby's in there going Jesus, these guys are gonna get

909
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 2: hurt because they want to win seventy two dollars. Like

910
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 2: he was competitive as anything. But I'll tell you one.

911
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one Smulty story that and this is

912
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 2: what I love about John. And he may be mad

913
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: if I tell you, but he's anyway. Smolty would come

914
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: in his data pitch right, and let's say it's a Monday,

915
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: he would come in with like a neck brace on,

916
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: and he'd be like, oh, man, I tweaked my neck

917
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 2: sleeping last night. And we're like, you know, Leo's like,

918
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: can you pitch? He's like, I'll give it a shot,

919
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 2: you know. And he'd go out and go eight, strikeout

920
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 2: thirteen and you know, give up one run or no runs.

921
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: And then the next day we're playing five hundred. He's

922
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: jumping all over trying to rob home runs and VP

923
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: and then four days later his day to start again

924
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: or five days he'd come in like with a ankle

925
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: bra song and he's like, ah, I tweaked it, you know.

926
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 2: But it was almost like it got to the point

927
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: where if Smoltzy didn't have one day, it was chiggers,

928
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: chigger bites it, my arms swollen, like can you pitch? Yeah,

929
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: and then you go eight scoreless. And it got to

930
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 2: the point where I was in the bullpen. If Smolty

931
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 2: came in his day to start and said he felt great,

932
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: we were like, guys, we better get ready early, get

933
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: down there early, because Smoltzy's probably not going to get

934
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: out of a second any you know what I mean.

935
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: Like he it was like we always timed it like

936
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,959
Speaker 2: it's like I don't know what it was, but dude,

937
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 2: but you talk about a competitor, Oh my god, Smoltzy

938
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: would bet you flip a coin and just bet you

939
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 2: that he wins and you lose. Like he was that guy.

940
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: Obviously a great pitcher, I mean, by far had the

941
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 2: best stuff on that staff. And for what he did,

942
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: I think what two hundred minimum, two hundred wins, one

943
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty saves, like just next level guy and

944
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: unbelievable guy. And we would play like in the offseason,

945
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: we would go play open I don't know if you

946
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 2: know this about Smallcy, but he's from Michigan Lancing and

947
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 2: he had a full ride to play basketball under jud

948
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 2: Heathcote up at Michigan State. He was that good of

949
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: an athlete and obviously he chose what he chose and

950
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: the rest is history. But he was. He's the one

951
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: guy that if you made a game up, like if

952
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 2: the Kirchin family has a game that you guys made

953
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 2: up and you do it during holidays, he would be

954
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: better than you. In fifteen minutes. He would figure it out. Somebody,

955
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: he would. It could be like, well, dude, here's what

956
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: we do. We take a spoon and throw it against

957
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: the wall and then you have to run around the car.

958
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 2: He would beat you within fifteen minutes. And if he

959
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: didn't believe it, would go practice and then he say, hey,

960
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: I'm coming back next Christmas. I will beat all you

961
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: guys in this game. So that's how Smoltzy was. And

962
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: you know, the prod thing was guys like we had.

963
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 2: Obviously we're facing our opponents, the Giants, the Yankees, whoever

964
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: it was, but we built this kind of competition within

965
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 2: our own pitching staff, right Like you didn't want to

966
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 2: be the guy that didn't have the good game because

967
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: Smoltzy goes out throws seven scorels, Glad goes and throws

968
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 2: eight scorers, Maddix throws a shutout like you kind of

969
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: it incentivized you and motivated us to not embarrass ourselves,

970
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It was like a competition

971
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 2: within the team, within the rotation that just made us

972
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: all better. And it wasn't personal like everyone supported everybody,

973
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 2: but it was just a really cool blend of guys

974
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: that hey, let's go out and do this.

975
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: Glavin told me once Kent that when they when they

976
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 1: would do the you know, the March Madness pools, John

977
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: was always in charge of collecting everything for the March

978
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: Madness pool and Glavin looked at Smoltz and said, John,

979
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: this is just going to be a donation to you.

980
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: We already know that you're gonna win the NCAA basketball

981
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: pool because you win at everything.

982
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: Does that sound right? And honestly, it was annoying a

983
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 2: lot of the times because you go out and play

984
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: golf and I'm like, I'm pretty good at golf, and

985
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: then you just we go to the parking lot after golf.

986
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: It would be We had a built in four man

987
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 2: force theme because the guy that pitched that night obviously

988
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: didn't play golf that day, so the other four of

989
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: us would go and play. Soul two had set all

990
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 2: that up, and I just remember how many times play golf.

991
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 2: I felt like I played good and and then we'd

992
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: be in the parking lot getting ready to leave, and

993
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: it was just us handing money to Smolts. What Murky

994
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: owe me one twenty? Glad you owe me two? Ten

995
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 2: if you owe eighty, And we were just sitting here

996
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: going like an ATM machine, and we're like, this is

997
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: annoying us, But you know what, we did it the

998
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: next day. It wasn't that bad, but there we were again,

999
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 2: sweating from playing eighteen holes flip flops on handing Smoltz money.

1000
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: That's how you know we had he had. He has

1001
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: eleven holes in one at least the last time I

1002
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: talked to him. Eleven. Does that sound low to you

1003
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: or high? Given it's John Smolts.

1004
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: That well, I think eleven's high for anybody. But he'll

1005
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: get twelve before this podcast airs, I promise you. But

1006
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 2: he because listen, he's he's out there. You know. The

1007
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: funny thing about Smoltzy too. Golf lies. So I don't

1008
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 2: know how many years ago. This was maybe eight or

1009
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 2: nine years ago. He got an exemption because he always said,

1010
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 2: when I turned fifty, I'm going to play on the

1011
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: senior Tour and I know some golfers. He knows golfers,

1012
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 2: and the PGA guys like rolled their eyes, like really,

1013
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: he doesn't realize that like the game at this level.

1014
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 2: But Smoltzy's winning his club championships every year and he

1015
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 2: got an exemption. It was somewhere Sugarloafs, maybe down in Georgia.

1016
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 2: He got an exemption to play in at the time

1017
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 2: was a nationwide tour, which is kind of like triple

1018
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 2: A to the PGA. So me and if I call,

1019
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: I text Dave, I go, dude, we got to watch Smoltzy.

1020
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: He shoots eighty seven eighty eight, finishes dead last, misses

1021
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 2: the cut. So a good teammate would would just let

1022
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: it go. But ME and A have texted him and said, really, dude,

1023
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 2: what the heck just happened to you? Bro, Like that's embarrassing, man,

1024
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh well, and he was like the

1025
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: pace of play is horrible. I'm used to getting in

1026
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,479
Speaker 2: the cart, driving right up to my ball, and it's

1027
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: what do we call it? Ready golf? Even if someone's

1028
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: ten yards behind you and they're not ready, if you're

1029
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 2: up there, you just hit. Well, He's like the pace

1030
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: of play was ridiculous, Like he was sitting there like

1031
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: getting nervous over shots because he had to wait so long.

1032
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: But we definitely made fun of him for probably well

1033
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: I still do, like twelve years later, ten years later,

1034
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: I'll still send him a text. Dude, remember that time

1035
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: he shot eighty seven eighty eight at sugar Ver, Like

1036
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: that's embarrassing and he's like, yeah, whatever, But now Smoltzy's

1037
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: dude you talk about and all of us were competitive,

1038
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 2: but Smoltzy had to win, you know what I mean? Uh?

1039
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: Ken, you know the story about the time that Frank

1040
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: Korr had a beat right and then something went wrong?

1041
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: Do you know that story?

1042
00:57:58,880 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: No, I haven't heard this.

1043
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: I can't believe. I'm going to tell you a story

1044
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: that you don't know. Frank Corr, who's a really good player,

1045
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: but he's not Smoltzy Great. He's five shots ahead going

1046
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: into eighteen, five shots ahead of Smoltz and says, finally, John,

1047
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: I finally beat you. They're going into eighteen and Smolty says, yes,

1048
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: you got me, Frenchie, you got me today. But let's

1049
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: just finish up. It's a par five. And to make

1050
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: a long story short, Frenchie is five shots ahead and

1051
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: he loses by five shots. He lost ten shots. On

1052
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: the eighteenth hole, he took a fourteen and Smoltzy birdied eighteen,

1053
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: made a four. Smoltze Frank Corer made a fourteen on

1054
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: the and a really good player because Smoltzy got inside

1055
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: his head and absolutely spooked him when he hit the

1056
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: first ball like in the water, like he had an

1057
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: opportunity to go place it down there. Smolty said, now

1058
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: you should probably hit another one from up here. So

1059
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: we hit another one in the water and ended up

1060
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: making a fourteen. So when they get to the ballpark,

1061
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: he doesn't tell a soul exactly what happened, but when

1062
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: he arranged it with every teammate and you can see

1063
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: Smoltzy doing this. Whatever question Frank core asked, the answer

1064
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: was fourteen, Like what time does the game start today?

1065
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: It starts at fourteen. He set up the entire team

1066
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: to do that. Does that sound like Frenchie and Smoltsy

1067
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: to you.

1068
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 2: One percent, one hundred percent. And you know what, guys,

1069
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: it's those stories and it's it's it's all. Part of

1070
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: that is why that team was so good for so long. Right,

1071
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: No one was better than anybody. Everyone could take it

1072
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: and dish it out. And that's what made that team

1073
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: so close and the years I played there, no one

1074
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 2: was off limits, right, Like I don't know if you

1075
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 2: saw a couple of years ago when Chipper and Glave

1076
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: Smoltzy were doing a game in Atlanta in the booth

1077
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: and they showed a video of Smoltzy getting hit. Did

1078
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: you see that where he got hit in the ribs? Yes,

1079
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 2: any dude, it was the worst go down ever. Like

1080
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 2: it looked like like a fish in the boat when

1081
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: you try to put him in. He was flopping. He

1082
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: went down, And dude, I listened to that broadcast and

1083
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: Chipper just and Frankor was in there as well. He

1084
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 2: was there too, and they were giving Smoltzy so much

1085
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: crap for that because it did like if you look

1086
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 2: at it, like part of it is I've been hit

1087
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 2: when I was hitting, and you kind of don't let

1088
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: him show it hurt, right, Like, don't rub it don't

1089
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 2: do any dude. Smoltzy went down like a sniper shot

1090
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: him from the rooftop of the building. And I listened

1091
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 2: to that broadcast and it didn't he just it was like,

1092
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna take a break. The inning's over.

1093
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,959
Speaker 2: The next inning started and they were still giving small

1094
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 2: t craft for that, and he really couldn't defend himself

1095
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 2: because it's like, once you see it, you can't unsee it,

1096
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 2: like you're a grown man, dude. And he was like,

1097
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 2: he's like, well, you know, he was throwing ninety whatever

1098
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: and it took the wind out of me. And Chipper's

1099
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 2: just like, nah, dude, look you flop like a fish. Like,

1100
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 2: just look at that. And to hear four three Hall

1101
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 2: of famers ragging on each other was just awesome. That's

1102
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: what the game, right.

1103
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: We can't let you go without telling us a Tom

1104
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: Glavin story. We bit over Bobby, we bit over Chipper,

1105
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: we've bit over Maddex, We've been over Smold. Tom Glavin's

1106
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. Also tell us a Tom Glavin

1107
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: story of any kind.

1108
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 2: Dude. You know, it's hard to tell a Glove story

1109
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 2: because that's the point Glad was. If he was an

1110
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: ice cream. He would be vanilla right, like there's no

1111
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 2: sparkle to it. He just went out did his job.

1112
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 2: The thing about Glad that impressed me was and and

1113
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 2: Leo would always preach this like he was about your

1114
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 2: composure on the mound, not only executing, but be composed.

1115
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: You could walk in in the fifth inning of a

1116
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 2: game with Matt or with Glad. Pitching power went out,

1117
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 2: so there's no scoreboard and you couldn't tell if Glad

1118
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 2: was winning three nothing or losing three nothing. He just

1119
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 2: They always said he had ice pumping through his veins,

1120
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 2: and he did. And I think his hockey background was

1121
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 2: was a lot of that, Like he was I think

1122
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 2: a fourth round overall picking up. I think the LA

1123
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 2: King's drafted him.

1124
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: Think they had of Brett Hole, Brett Hoole.

1125
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had him on the podcast again and he

1126
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 3: said that kind of makes me a Hall of Fame

1127
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 3: hockey player as well.

1128
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 2: Yes, he's if you do it for hockey, he's on

1129
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: your list. But it just I wish I had a

1130
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: great story, but Glave was awesome, by the way, unbelievable teammate,

1131
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: willing to help anybody help me with my change up

1132
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 2: when I was trying to learn the change up. But

1133
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 2: he was boring in a great way, you know what

1134
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 2: I mean, Like there's no booger stories or no peeing

1135
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: on the shower stories. He was just he was just

1136
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 2: stoic and just you knew it was his day. He

1137
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: was going to pitch, and you knew probably what the

1138
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: results were going to be. And I wish I had

1139
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 2: some good glove stories. But he was boring in the

1140
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 2: most complimentary way I could give. But again, great teammate,

1141
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 2: part of that competition, and I mean it's hard to

1142
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 2: pick one of the three or four, but you won

1143
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: him on game seven. You know, when he closed out

1144
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 2: in Game six against Cleveland, gave up one hit to

1145
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 2: that lineup, You're like, yeah, that's Glad and you I

1146
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 2: don't even think he fist pumped after that game. He

1147
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: just kind of went in and said, that's my job, right, Like,

1148
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 2: why are you so excited that we won that game?

1149
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 2: That's my job. Like that's how glad was.

1150
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 3: He takes He takes me as one of those guys

1151
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 3: that if you had an Apple Watch on him during

1152
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 3: that game, his heart rate probably didn't go over like

1153
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 3: fifty one.

1154
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: He's just no I'm just here.

1155
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 3: I'm here to do my job game six or or July,

1156
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 3: Like it doesn't really matter to him, right, He just

1157
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 3: that's the same job.

1158
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 2: He probably would have gotten an alert saying your heart

1159
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 2: rate's low. Are you suffering chest pains? Right now? Like

1160
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: That's how Glad was. That's how he was, and it

1161
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 2: just it was fun to learn from him. I mean,

1162
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 2: he was just as competitive as all the other guys,

1163
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 2: trust me, Like out there golfing, like when I was

1164
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 2: paying Smoltz, I wasn't cussing. When Glad was playing Smoltz.

1165
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 2: He was cussing to him, right because he he didn't

1166
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 2: want to lose. And he's like, I'm doing it again,

1167
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,959
Speaker 2: like blah blah blah blah blah. Like he was every

1168
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: bit as competitive. You just you couldn't see it. And

1169
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 2: and and I took a lot from that, like and

1170
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 2: and listen, not to be corny about this, but I

1171
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: learned a lot from all those guys, and I tried

1172
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 2: to fashion that into my game. Obviously wasn't as good

1173
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 2: as Maddics, as control, wasn't as all those things, but

1174
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: I tried to emulate them as much as I could,

1175
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 2: which is probably the only reason I made it seventeen

1176
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: years because well, if I was right handed after two,

1177
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 2: they would have called me coach marker because I wouldn't

1178
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 2: have been playing for with my stuff. But no, dude,

1179
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 2: it's and I'm sitting here trying to rattle my brain.

1180
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 2: Is there a great Madic or Glavin story? And I

1181
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 2: can't come up with one. That's that's how even keeled

1182
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 2: he was. Whether he was pitching that day or not

1183
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 2: pitching that day, he was the same dude. But I

1184
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: I'm fortunate to say I played with.

1185
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 3: If keen listeners or watchers saw my my near three

1186
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 3: year old daughter had interrupted our interview here, she's snuck

1187
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 3: in even though Grandma and my wife are upstairs with

1188
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 3: our newborn as well. She somehow escaped down to the

1189
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 3: basement into my office to say hi to Kent, Mrker.

1190
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 3: But Kent, I know because you referenced it. You even

1191
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 3: said that your girls will be watching to see who

1192
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 3: the alphabet M will be hoping it's a murder. So

1193
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 3: you are a girl dad. I am a girl dad.

1194
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 3: My dad is a girl dad as well. Tell us

1195
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 3: about raising those girls and how much that means to you,

1196
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 3: because at the end of the day Kent we can

1197
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 3: baseball is why we do this podcast.

1198
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: But it's a it's a father son show.

1199
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 3: It's about our love for you know. We talk about

1200
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 3: my dad's grandchildren, we talk about my kids, we talk

1201
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 3: about our relationship, me and my dad.

1202
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: This is what the podcast is about. So without yaout.

1203
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 3: Setting you up to get too emotional, tell us what

1204
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 3: these girls mean to you and being a girl dad,

1205
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 3: for it's such a special.

1206
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 2: Thing, you know what. I'm so blessed to have three girls,

1207
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 2: and now, giving my age, they're thirty two, twenty eight,

1208
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 2: and twenty five, so they're young women now. But you're

1209
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 2: gonna laugh at this. I raised them like they were boys,

1210
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 2: like my dad raised me like. I don't think values

1211
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 2: are how you should be as a human being, matter

1212
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,919
Speaker 2: whether you're a girl or a boy. But I told

1213
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 2: them at young ages, and this is gonna sound stupid,

1214
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 2: but if you really think about it, it makes a

1215
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 2: lot of sense. I told them three rules. Don't whine,

1216
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 2: don't be a tattletale, and don't chew with your mouth open.

1217
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 2: That's what I told her. I said, because I hate

1218
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 2: whiny people. I hate the kid that tells on you

1219
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 2: and all that and if I'm sitting across from you

1220
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: guys and you're smacking your lips while you're eating, I'm

1221
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: getting up. I said, if you can do those three things,

1222
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 2: And to this day, they're like, Dad, the three rules,

1223
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 2: and they remember them and it's so simple. But it's

1224
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 2: kind of like the Bobby Cocks way of thinking. It's

1225
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 2: just simple, don't be an idiot, you know what I mean,

1226
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: and you'll get through life. And they're all doing very

1227
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 2: well in their own professions now. But dude. Everyone always said, dude,

1228
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: don't you wish you had a boy or you're going

1229
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 2: to try for a boy so he can be a

1230
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 2: baseball player. And I'm like, no, I'm so excited that

1231
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 2: I've got one three healthy, which is cliche, but I

1232
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 2: raised him as I would have raised any boy I had,

1233
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 2: and I think it's benefited them probably most of the time.

1234
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes maybe my oldest is just like me, and I'm like,

1235
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a blessing or a curse,

1236
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 2: but she's she's yeah, And I wouldn't trade it. If

1237
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 2: you told me I could go back and have three

1238
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 2: boys instead of girls, I'd say, nope, I'm good. I

1239
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 2: love my girls. They taught me a lot to be

1240
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 2: a father, right, But you know, when they're all playing

1241
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 2: their sports. I remember one day my oldest daughter, she

1242
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 2: was playing softball. She was a good softball player, and

1243
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 2: it was a cloudy, overcastan Ohio, which we get three

1244
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 2: hundred and forty seven days out of the year.

1245
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 3: I lived in Cleveland for a long time.

1246
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: I know those days.

1247
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 2: Okay, So you know, so she's out there. I get

1248
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 2: to the game. She's out there playing first base, and

1249
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 2: she's got her Oakley's on her hat, right, and four

1250
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 2: or five of the other girls have their Oakley's on

1251
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 2: their hat. And it's literally, we don't even know if

1252
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 2: we're going to play because the rain's imminent. Right. So

1253
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 2: after the first thing, I go down. I was not

1254
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 2: the dad that yelled and screamed at the umpires or

1255
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 2: coaches for why, you know, but I went and pulled

1256
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: her aside. I said, take those Oakley's off your hat.

1257
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 2: You look like an idiot, right, And she's like, but

1258
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 2: I go, you're the only reason those are on your

1259
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 2: hat is because you want to look cool. I go,

1260
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 2: it's overcast, eighty two percent chance of rain, and you're

1261
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 2: wearing you got oak le's on your hat. I go

1262
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 2: take them off, take them off, put them in your bag,

1263
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 2: and she did. And then after the game she told me.

1264
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 2: And one time she threw her bat after a strikeout

1265
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 2: and the bat popped up and almost hit the catcher.

1266
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: I screamed at her from the stands. I said, you

1267
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 2: did not do that, Like, it's not the catcher's fault.

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01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: You struck out. If you want to hurt someone, go

1269
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 2: punch the dugout wall and hurt yourself, but do not

1270
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 2: put And after the game, my wife was mad at

1271
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 2: me for yelling at her, and then she goes, I'm

1272
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 2: riding home with Dad and she goes, Dad, I totally

1273
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 2: get what you mean. And to this day she says

1274
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 2: the same thing. So I wasn't easy on him. I

1275
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 2: spoiled them, but I was like for me, when it

1276
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 2: came to how are you going to be a better

1277
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 2: person and productive, it was pretty simple and a lot

1278
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 2: of it, by the way, my mom and dad were great.

1279
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 2: But Bobby Cox, it goes back to had I done

1280
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 2: any of these things and Bobby Cox saw it, he

1281
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 2: would have been like, like Bobby had a rule you

1282
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 2: couldn't wear your hat backwards. He's like, if you're gonna

1283
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:14,560
Speaker 2: wear a hat, you wear it the right way, or

1284
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 2: don't wear one at all. You couldn't wear a jewelry

1285
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 2: like things like that. Was like just basic things that

1286
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 2: don't be an idiot. And I instilled that in my girls,

1287
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 2: and I think it worked.

1288
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, but Ken, I was a little league gumpied.

1289
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 2: And they by the way they know I wasn't one

1290
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 2: of the m's, by the way they knew there were

1291
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 2: six hund.

1292
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 3: Well, we can't wait for the girls to see this

1293
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 3: episode because genuinely, my dad was just so he called me. Listen, Ken,

1294
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 3: we do three episodes a week.

1295
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 1: Okay, he's my dad.

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01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 3: We talk constantly, business and you know life. He called

1297
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 3: me to tell me about the text message you sent,

1298
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 3: and then we didn't all think about it in the episode.

1299
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 3: And here I haven't And it's not how's the baby,

1300
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 3: it's you're not gonna believe what Ken Murger's ex.

1301
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 2: Dude. I just thought Tim when we were at that

1302
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 2: molar event last year, right right, like i'd been around you,

1303
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 2: obviously met you. You if not the best, you're obviously

1304
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 2: When there's a k list for broadcasting and just sports

1305
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 2: coverage you're definitely going to be that one guy, uh

1306
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 2: for sure, and every player across the board would tell

1307
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 2: you that. But I had so much fun then I

1308
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 2: was gonna I was actually gonna open, but I didn't

1309
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 2: want to get personal with you. I was going to

1310
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 2: open because I spoke and I was going to say, hey,

1311
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 2: they told me to keep this short, and I was

1312
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 2: going to say, and Tim does a way better job

1313
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 2: at being short than me. So but I didn't know.

1314
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 2: I was like, it's too soon. I don't know him

1315
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 2: well enough. I don't want him to but anyway, I

1316
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 2: appreciate this. And by the way, the daughter thing, it's

1317
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 2: amazing how three girls growing up on this roof are

1318
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 2: three completely different personalities and you kind of have to

1319
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 2: coach him accordingly right. One needs tough love, one needs

1320
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 2: a pat on the back. Like it's probably a lot

1321
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 2: like managing. You know, every player is different. Some you

1322
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 2: need to yell at, some you need to give a

1323
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 2: hug to. So it's made me a better person having

1324
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 2: three daughters.

1325
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: That is so perfect. And this, of course, two days

1326
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: ago was Father's Day. This is a perfect way to

1327
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: end just a tremendous episode. Ken We've said that that

1328
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, telling stories is not easy for Major League

1329
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: Baseball players, and Steve Sparks is one of the best

1330
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: we've ever had. But Jeff Ken Murger is right there

1331
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: with Steve Sparks. Am I wrong about that?

1332
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 2: Oh?

1333
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: My gosh.

1334
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 3: I mean, and the vast knowledge seventeen years in the league.

1335
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 3: But then the love of your children. I mean, we

1336
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 3: covered it all and as my dad says very often,

1337
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 3: we could go another hour with you, Ken, So we'll

1338
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 3: ask you to come back next season to do another episode.

1339
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 2: How does that sound, dude? I appreciate you having me on.

1340
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks so much.

1341
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 2: Ket I'm telling you, I'm telling you t K. You

1342
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 2: are a Hall of Famer buddy. You know that.

1343
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: Well, there's my pleasure.

1344
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 2: There's if there's a player on this planet that doesn't

1345
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 2: like you, I need to meet that player, and I'm

1346
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: sure there isn't one. So you've done it the right

1347
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 2: way and honored to be on the show.

1348
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, my dad's gonna ask me to cut that, but

1349
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 3: I'm not going so we are going to cut that.

1350
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: But thank you very much anyway, I appreciate it.