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This week, we have a little 19 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: bit of a special one because David Sirota, who we 20 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: can put up on the screen, he joins us now 21 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: to talk about his movie Don't Look Up, which has 22 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: gotten incredible reviews. You guys know, has a ridiculous cast. 23 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: We can put the tear sheet up on the screen 24 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: here of the write up over at the Daily Poster. 25 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: Got a quote there that says, Don't Look Up is here. 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: This is the most prominent climate change movie and it 27 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: has the best cast ever assembled around this topic. That's 28 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: just that's not even opinion. That's just literal fact. David, 29 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: Welcome and congrats on the movie. Congrats, thank you, thanks 30 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: so much, thank you. I know it comes down today 31 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: so people can go and watch it on Netflix, which 32 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: both of us are planning to do. Watch. So just 33 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: give us like a little bit of the rundown for 34 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: people who don't know of the plot and how this 35 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: all came together. Sure, about three years ago, I was 36 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: talking to my friend Adam McKay, who is the director 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: of famous comedies like Anchorman, Step Brothers, also director of 38 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: A Big Short and Vice, and we were talking and 39 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: I said, Dan, listen, man, you've got to use your 40 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: superpowers of comedy to do something about on the car. 41 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm a crisis. And he said, yeah, you know, I know, 42 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: but I don't want to do something that's kind of 43 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: mad Max post apocalyptic. And so we were spitballing ideas 44 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: and going back and forth about different kinds of ideas, 45 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: and at one point I was lamenting the lack of 46 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: media coverage, serious media coverage about the climate crisis, and 47 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: I said, you know, man, it feels like it's like 48 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: an asteroids headed towards Earth and no one cares. And 49 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: he said, wait a minute, maybe that's the movie. And 50 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: so we got to spitballing different ideas and he then 51 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: went to work on a script, and he kept saying, 52 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: you know, I got the script, and you know, I 53 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: gave him notes on the script, and he said, I 54 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: think we're going to make this, and hey, I got 55 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: I think we've got Leonardo DiCaprio and interested in, Jennifer Lawrence, interested. 56 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: And I kept saying, yeah, okay, okay, sure, right. I 57 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: didn't kind of believe that this would happen, and then 58 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: all of a sudden he said, no, no no, listen, I 59 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: we're sending over the papers. You got to sign them, 60 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: because this is happening right now and now here. We 61 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: are a movie about this that's going to be available 62 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: to tens of millions of people on Christmas Eve on 63 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: Netflix and look, the idea of the movie is basically 64 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: to try to address the climate crisis or to raise 65 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: questions about it. It's hard to do it specifically on 66 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: the nose with the climate crisis. It might be a 67 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: better idea or a good idea to do an allegory. 68 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: And the allegory is a comet is headed towards Earth 69 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: and two scientists are on a media tour essentially to 70 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: try to warn the world and to try to prompt 71 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: the government to act in defense of the planet and 72 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: to do what is possible to do. And so this 73 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: is their trials and travails trying to warn the world 74 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: in a media and political system that no longer really 75 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: constructively processes basic scientific facts. Wow, you know, David, I 76 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: read Ben Smith's column in the New York Times which 77 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: talked a bit about the movie. How was a media critique? 78 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: I think, can you zoom in on that element show around? 79 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: How you because I assume you played a big role 80 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: of in exposing the media there talk to us about 81 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: that part. Sure, I mean that is a central part 82 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: of this movie, which is which is can our corporate 83 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: media in the United States? Is it able to even 84 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: process facts that are uncomfortable, that are terrifying, or is 85 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: our media constantly trying to frivolize and distract from the 86 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: things that we need to be talking about. And you'll 87 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: see scenes in this movie that will be very familiar 88 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: to you. I mean, there's a central talk show that 89 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to give it away, but I think 90 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: if you look, if you look at Tyler Perry and 91 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: Kate Blanchette, you'll get the idea of which talk show 92 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: in corporate media that it kind of takes its inspiration from. 93 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: And there are scenes where the scientists are on this 94 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: show trying to trying to warn the world about this, 95 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: and the hosts and the show are constantly trying to 96 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: look away, to distract, to make it happy news, to 97 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: make it fun news. And at one point, one of 98 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: the characters says, you know, maybe the end of the 99 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: world isn't supposed to be fun. Maybe that's not supposed 100 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: to be a happy news story, but we still have 101 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,559 Speaker 1: to focus in on it. And that's where this movie. 102 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: It's a hilarious movie. I think people are going to 103 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: be laughing most of the way through, but there's an 104 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: underlying point here, and by the way it goes beyond 105 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: just climate change, right. I mean, when this movie was 106 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: being made, it was a climate allegory, but then the 107 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: pandemic came up, and there's been all sorts of rejection 108 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: of basic science when it comes to that. And I 109 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: think what it's really about is can we as a 110 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: society anymore when we have uncomfortable facts that we need 111 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: to deal with, immovable facts, crises that are bearing down 112 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,799 Speaker 1: on us that cannot be negotiated with, can we even 113 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: process them? Or do those facts become weapons in a 114 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: culture war, a media war were a partisan And that's 115 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: what's really scary, because we know we have all sorts 116 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: of crises that we face, and we actually know we 117 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: can fix a lot of them, or at least address 118 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 1: a lot of them, But so often the solutions become 119 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: the cannon fodder in all of these different culture and 120 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: media wars rather than things that we can stipulate and 121 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: act on in a constructive way. Well, when news is 122 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: just infotainment and people are just watching it to sort 123 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: of you know that the whole project is just to 124 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: titillate people rather than really to inform and educate, you 125 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: can understand why people don't really take it seriously anymore, 126 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, so that even if the news anchor is like, no, guys, 127 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: this is really serious, it's like, yeah, but you've been 128 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: doing this like breaking news alerts and you know, sort 129 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: of catastrophic theater for a long time about a bunch 130 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: of stuff that didn't end up being a big deal. 131 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: So when something that comes along that is a big deal, 132 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: and you've been, you know, trying to generate this churn 133 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: of the twenty four hour news cycle for so many years, 134 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: I think that's the other part is as a society, 135 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: we have a little bit of a boy who Cried 136 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: Wolf phenomenon going on as well. I totally agree. And 137 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: on top of that, there's a lack of faith in 138 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: institutions and that undergirds this movie in a lot of ways. 139 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you'll see there are comet deniers in this movie, 140 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: like climate deniers, and I think part of that comes 141 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: from the fact that we know we live in a 142 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: society where there's a lack of faith in our government, 143 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: both rightfully and my view, wrongly rightly in the sense that, look, 144 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: we have lived through this generation has lived through so 145 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: many moments where the government has delegitimized itself, from the 146 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: Iraq War lies to the failure to deal with the 147 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: financial crisis, to some of the things that have happened 148 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: in the pandemic. We live in a society where you 149 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: can see the government's obvious failures right in your face. 150 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: At the same time, there's a political movement that has 151 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: tried to constantly delegitimize the government, even when it's done 152 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,559 Speaker 1: obviously decent and good things. So that lack of faith 153 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: and institutions means that even the most obvious facts of all, 154 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: like let's say a comet headed towards Earth, that if 155 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: you look up in the sky and you can see 156 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: there are now going to be people who won't believe 157 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: that if the government says that's happening, because the government 158 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: has been so delegitimized by the way the media has 159 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: been so delegitimized. A lot of people not wanting to 160 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: believe what the media says, and that is you know, 161 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm not saying part of that isn't isn't correct and 162 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: based in reality. But where does it leave us when 163 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: we need to actually face up to base. Well, you know, 164 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: it's interesting because I think part of the problem is 165 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: I'm thinking this through in real time. A lot of 166 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: the catastrophizing the media does is about stuff that actually 167 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: isn't like things that you should be panicked about or 168 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: is invented. I mean, like the you know, like antifas 169 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: come into your town to like destroy your neighborhood or whatever, 170 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: Like there was a whole panic around that, and they're 171 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: trying to change your whole way of life. There's that, 172 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: there's on the left, there's you know, like Trump and 173 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: the p tape and that whole thing. And then the 174 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: things that were real problems and real disasters, like the 175 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: wars and like the financial crisis. They they didn't predict it, 176 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: they didn't challenge it, they didn't you know, expose it. 177 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: They didn't catastrophize and properly educate warn people about the 178 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,239 Speaker 1: things that truly did end up being complete and utter disasters. 179 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, when you look at that, that that's going 180 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: to eroad trusted media, That drag record is going to 181 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: road trusted media. And of course in a lot of 182 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: those things, the media was complicit. I mean, the media 183 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: wasn't just not covering it. The media was part of it. 184 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: And look we see that today. I mean Look, how 185 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: many corporate media outlets do you watch where they barely 186 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: ever talk about climate change? And many of them are 187 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: sponsored by the oil industry, the fossil fuel industry that 188 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: is creating the problem. So when when when you're when 189 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: when scientists are trying to say, Hey, this isn't an 190 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: enormous problem happening right now, it's not a forum that's 191 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: all that interested in covering those issues. Now, there's one 192 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: other theme in this movie that I think is worth 193 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: mentioning on as we discussed this, which is the idea 194 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: of technology. There's a theme in this movie where you'll 195 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: see that there's this idea that we don't have to 196 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: change our society, we don't have to really mobilize much 197 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: of anything because technology will save us. And I think 198 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: that's a very reassuring message to a lot of people 199 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: in our current media and political landscape. Hey, climate change, 200 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: for instance, doesn't mean we have to really change much 201 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: of anything. Somebody somewhere, some tech genius is going to 202 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: figure out how to solve this. So we don't really 203 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: have to do much of anything to change our culture, 204 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: to change our society, and without giving anything away. You'll 205 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: see in the movie the movie kind of indicts that 206 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: whole idea, this idea that technological triumphalism will save us 207 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: without us having to do much of anything, and the 208 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: movie kind of pokes fun at that in a very 209 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: dark way. David, what's this been like for you? Personally? 210 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: It's been I mean, it's been surreal. Frankly. I mean 211 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: to see an idea that we spitballed, you know, two 212 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: or three years ago, now going out on a platform 213 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: where it tends, if not potentially hundreds of millions of 214 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: people can see this movie with all of these celebrities, 215 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: these amazing actors in this movie, I mean, I just 216 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: it's really hard to believe it happened. And I want 217 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: to say one last thing about that this movie is 218 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: filled with It's like the most incredible cast you could 219 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: possibly imagine. And I want to express some real gratitude 220 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: to these stars for actually being willing to be in 221 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: a controversial, politically risky film that raises these deep questions 222 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: that they are using their platforms to try to sound 223 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: a huge alarm. Now I'm not saying they're martyrs or 224 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: anything like that, but I am saying it is relatively 225 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: rare for people with real cultural cachet, people with real 226 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: star power to actually risk using that star power, risk 227 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: using that celebrity to do something serious. So I feel 228 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: great gratitude to that cast, and gratitude of course to 229 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: Adam McKay, who, among the most prominent example, used his platform, 230 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: use his put is putting his career essentially on the 231 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: line to actually try to deliver these these really important messages. 232 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: Congrats David. We can't wait to watch it. I urge 233 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: people to check it out. The reviews have been really 234 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people in our audience will 235 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: find it really thought provoking and it will land watching. Yeah, 236 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: So congrats and havy holidays. Having to you and my friends, 237 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: thank you so much, really appreciate it. I'm pleasure and 238 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: thank you guys for watching. We'll have more for you later. 239 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: Never let it be said that we don't keep an 240 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: eye over on Fox News for some bonker stuff in 241 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: order to show you this one particularly caught my eye. 242 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly, a conservative commentator, appearing on Tucker Carlston's show 243 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: to describe some of his problems with the US military. 244 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. Well, what we're watching is the 245 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: destruction of the US military we're going to end up 246 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: seeing Tucker is thousands, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of 247 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: thousands of Americans die. Those are the stakes of the 248 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: game we're playing here. We don't need a military that's 249 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: women friendly. We don't need a military that's gay friendly, 250 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: with all due respect to the Air Force. We need 251 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: a military that's flat out hostile. We need a military 252 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: full of type A men who want to sit on 253 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: a throne of Chinese skulls. But we don't have that now. 254 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: We can't even get women off of naval vessels. That 255 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: should be step one, but most of them are already 256 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: pregnant anyway, Uh, throne of Chinese skulls. That's look I mean, 257 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: I've been accused of being some more longer or whatever. 258 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: That's what it actually looks like. Just by the way, 259 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: speaking this way is a incredibly irresponsible I probably even 260 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: agree with Jesse that wokeness in the US military is 261 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: a huge problem, and that social justice and all this 262 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: stuff at the expense of a war fighting force that 263 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: is actually capable of winning a war is actually terrible 264 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: detrimental and more. But speaking this way shows a real bloodthirst, 265 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: which I personally find disgusting. Nobody should wish war upon anyone, because, 266 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: by the way, to construct a throne of Chinese skulls 267 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: would also require a lot of American skulls too, as 268 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: you can see in any conflict wherever the US has 269 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: ever been engaged in. I don't think anybody should be 270 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: pushing this type of rhetoric, and actually, in my opinion, 271 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: it only makes social justice and stuff more likely about 272 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: behaving like such an idiot on national television that they 273 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: can point to and say, see, these are the people 274 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: who are opposing this. So there's a lot to be 275 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: said around that, and I actually do think it is 276 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: important to be very responsible in terms of speaking around 277 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: the way that we should have a military to what purpose? 278 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: And more so, look, I know Jesse himself served, so 279 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: like I guess he has a right to say whatever 280 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: he wants, maybe even more so than me. But I 281 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: found this personally a very gross segment thirsting for Chinese. Yes, 282 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: I think it's very very disgusting, not only blood, I 283 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: mean that's like outright genocidal. That's disgusting to want. And 284 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: to your point, listen, even if you don't give a 285 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: shit about the Chinese citizens who would which you should 286 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: die in that kindflict, which you one million percent should. 287 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: How many of our soldiers died in the unnecessary wars 288 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: in the Middle East, how many of them were injured, 289 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: how many of their lives were turned upside down? How 290 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: many are struggling with suicide and depression because of the 291 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: things that they had to do, the things that they saw, 292 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: the things that they had to you know, experience. So 293 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: this casual desire for war with China, it really is 294 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: a kind of mask off moment. One of the things 295 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: that I hate the most about the current right one 296 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: of them is you know, just the like total failty 297 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: to Trump and like, you know, the only litmus test 298 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: that really matters is how absurd you're willing to debase 299 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: yourself around stop this deal. The other one is how 300 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: they just throw out the term woke with regards to 301 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: absolutely everything without actually justifying it. Like listen, I am, 302 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: you know, considered anti woke. I think the fact that 303 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: oftentimes these sort of sort of like identitarian hollow identity 304 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: politics are used to be like isn't the CIA amazing? 305 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: Or isn't the military industrial complex amazing? Like effectively the 306 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: meme of the plane dropping bombs, but you see the 307 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: rainbow flag on it, Like, oh, and a woman's a pilot. 308 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: That's great. So I have my issues with wokeness and 309 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: especially the sort of off putting academic language that is 310 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: really counterproductive to actually building some sort of multiracial working 311 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: class progressive project. But it gets thrown around as an 312 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: excuse for absolutely everything, again with no justification. So like 313 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: they said that the build back better build, their problem 314 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: with it was it was woke. It's like what I mean, 315 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: and it doesn't even have to be analyzed or you know, 316 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: laid out the arguments that they make. So it also 317 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: irritates me this whole, Like, there are a lot of 318 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: critiques you can make of the military, and if you have, 319 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: if there is a specific social justice thing that you 320 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: think is distracted, they're like tag into that. That's fine, 321 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: we can have that conversation. But it's just thrown around 322 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 1: in such a blanket way as to become utterly meaningful. 323 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: Yeah no, that's actually also a good point. It is meaningless. 324 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: I find if this is the if this is what 325 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: the modern right is, count me out, you know, count 326 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: me out, brothers in Chinese skulls. I just want us 327 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: to actually to live in you know, general peace also 328 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: maintain some of our prosperity and integrity here at home. 329 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: That's a whole other conversation. You know, this type of 330 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: stuff doesn't help anybody, and I do think it's important 331 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: because if that is the type of stuff that gets 332 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: mainstreamed to a lot of people, not good. Yeah, that's 333 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: what justified the war on terror for a long time. 334 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: That which I would remind Jesse and a lot of 335 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: other people on the right. The rhetoric comes spins around 336 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: real quick, doesn't it whenever it starts to get targeted 337 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: on you post January sixth, So you know, try and 338 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: at least speak from a point of principle and make 339 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: it so that in the future this type of stuff 340 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: won't come against you, because you know, two thousand and 341 00:17:58,359 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: five it was really easy to go on and be 342 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: your chest about jihad and now what right, Yeah, it's 343 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: all been turned against you. That's a very good point. Okay, 344 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: all right, guys, thanks for watching. We'll have more for 345 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: you later. One of my favorite comedians, Bilberr, I love 346 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: whenever he sounds off on the mainstream media. He had 347 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: a previous great bit about how his mother in law 348 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: was home and he was forced to watch CNN on 349 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: his previous podcasts, recently appeared on The Pat McAfee Show, 350 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: discussing both CNN and Fox viewers. As always, we got 351 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 1: to tune into what Bill has to say. Let's take 352 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: a listen. Do you stay isolated from the world somehow? 353 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: Because absolutely, I don't watched the news. Somebody did a 354 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: joke about the vice president, I think about the president, 355 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: and I didn't get it. I had to think about it, 356 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: and that kind of scared me, and I was like, 357 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: all right, I gotta like, I gotta pay a leap in, 358 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 1: pay a little bit. Yeah, but people who watch CNN 359 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: and Fox all day are fucking insane people because those 360 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: two channels their job is just to scare you and 361 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: divide America. That's all they do, and just sit there blame. 362 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: They sound like divorces, you know what I mean, just 363 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: blaming this spouse, you know, talking shit about them. So 364 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, I stay away from Like, I can't 365 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: watch either one of those news channels without getting infuriated, 366 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: just the fact that they act like their news. What 367 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: is Bill Bird? Because you're never you don't do the 368 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: online obviously, you don't dive in there. You don't really 369 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: dive into semantics much. It feels like you live though, 370 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: because you have so much to talk about all the time. 371 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: How do you keep yourself isolated? Like would you really 372 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: just turn everything off and say, see if fuck everybody? Yeah? 373 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: How is it not difficult? Right now? It's fun, it's fun. 374 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: Just it just chills you out. You just turn it 375 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: off and it's just fun. And then you run into 376 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: people you know who are watching all of this stuff 377 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: and they show up their eyebrowser up and it's like, oh, yeah, 378 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: that's why I stop watching. Okay, very relatable, build so much. 379 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: If there is any message of the holiday seas and 380 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: that's what it is, turn this shit off. It is 381 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: not good for you getting all hyped up about this 382 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: or that, you know, just as Bill says, literally it's 383 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: the divorce is like the perfect have you ashamed the 384 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: thing they did today? I mean, oh my god, this 385 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: is this same thing happens on their side conveniently, just 386 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, absolutely silence, you know, on the other side 387 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: as well. So I think he very much is you know, 388 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: somebody who just sits in the middle, and I think 389 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: represents a vast swath of our audience, So people who 390 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: are fed up with everybody. So anytime I see these 391 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: in pop culture kind of bubble up. I mean, he's 392 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 1: a very famous man, he was on Star Wars all 393 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,959 Speaker 1: of that. Also one of the most irreverent comedians who 394 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: have somehow survived the cancel culture era. I think this 395 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: is a great message I wanted to get out there. 396 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: He makes a couple of actually really important points. Number one, 397 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: he makes the Matt Tybee point that all these networks 398 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: are about is making us hate each other, like that's 399 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: their whole purpose. And he puts his own spin on 400 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: the divorce a thing, which is hilarious. Yes, the moral 401 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: of every story on CNN is they're bad, and the 402 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: moral of every story in Fox News is no, you're bad. Right. 403 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: So the other important point is like, just don't listen. 404 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: You're actually better off being completely uninformed. I agree. Then 405 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,959 Speaker 1: you are tuning in to CNN or Fox News or MSNBC. 406 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: They make you dumber, they poison your brain, they make 407 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,239 Speaker 1: you hate the people, are in fear the people around you, 408 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: and ultimately you will be happier and you will actually 409 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: be smarter and better informed. If you don't like take 410 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: in what is effectively like candy and cigarettes from you know, 411 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: the news equivalent of Canyon cigarettes from MSNBC, CNN, and Fox. 412 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: I do think it's great. It's important to be informed. 413 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: The world we live in is changing rapidly. Understanding those 414 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: cultural forces, understanding what it means for your life. Ideally, 415 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: you'll have some kind of a news diet that is 416 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: actually nutritious, well thought out, and provides you some actual 417 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: information and sustenance to help you understand the trends they're 418 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: going on around you and how they're ultimately going to 419 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: impact you. CNN and Fox are the polar opposite of that. 420 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: They will actually make you dumber. So those two points, 421 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: and he says them sort of casually and they're funny, 422 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: they are actually really really important points. And of course 423 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: we would love for people to watch breaking breaking for 424 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: the infotainment that I couldn't agree with you more and more. 425 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: It's just like the more I see these types of 426 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: figures in pop culture speak out, the more that you 427 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: just see the embrace and because people feel afraid, you know, 428 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: I've seen this in the past. People Sometimes we'll tell 429 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: people like you don't know who we are, and they're like, oh, 430 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: what do you do. I'm like, oh, I work in 431 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, the news media whatever, and they're like oh, 432 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: and sometimes you feel ashamed. They're like I don't watch 433 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: the news and I'm like, no, no no, that's that's good. 434 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: Y yeah, like it don't you know, it's it's okay. 435 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: I don't blame you. It's bad, and like, yeah, man, 436 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, my uncle watches the news and he feels 437 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: like the Democrats are or the same thing. Like my 438 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: grandma's you know, can't sleep because she thinks that Trump 439 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: is a Russian agent. And I'm like, no, you're You're 440 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: actually way better off. So let's popularize this message. Get 441 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: it to everybody else out there. Just turn this shit off. 442 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: You're gonna be a lot better cable news on of 443 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: your diet. You will be all get smarter and better informed. 444 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: All right, guys, thanks for watching. A lot more for 445 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: you later. We've tracked a lot here. How just involved 446 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: the Feds were in the alleged kidnapping plot around Michigan 447 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: Governor Gretchen Whitmer. You'll remember that dropped right before the election. 448 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: It was a significant media story, and subsequent reporting from 449 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: BuzzFeed News and others has revealed that it was almost 450 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: entirely a government creation in the recruitment, in the amount 451 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: of agents, how we're more involved than actual perpetrators, and 452 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: many of the people who were on the federal side 453 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: were quite sketchy. And the more that we learn about it, 454 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: more clownish it becomes. Let's put this up there on 455 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: the screen. The FBI investigation into Governor in the alleged 456 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: plot to kidnap Governor Whitmer has gotten very complicated. And 457 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: what they point to in that complication are informants and 458 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: agents within the case who have been engaged in behavior 459 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: which is now criminal. And what we mean by that 460 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: is this, and we'll start with the informant themselves, which 461 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: is that one of the informants who was crucial to 462 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: the investigation was indicted on a gun charge and is 463 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: now under investigation for fraud. The documents reveal repeated instances 464 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: of lawbreaking by Stephen Robson, who, while working for the government, 465 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: identified and recruited potential targets in multiple states, who organized 466 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: many of the events where prosecutors say that the alleged 467 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: kidnapping plan was hatched. Now, those crimes actually took place 468 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: right under the nose of his FBI handlers. But even 469 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: more so is that the handlers themselves, Jason Chambers. This 470 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: is a person who was working for the FBI. His 471 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 1: role within the case had not been previously as well known. Well, 472 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: it turns out that while he was doing that, he 473 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: was attempting to parlay his FBI work hunting for terrorists 474 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: into a private money making venture which a contract which 475 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: is a company that sought contracts in some cases worth 476 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: millions of dollars to help institutions identify different public threats. 477 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: And he's now then under investigation by the Justice Department 478 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: in the FBI for engaging with amazing. I mean, how 479 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: much more do we need to learn here about the 480 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: people involved in this case. It's crazy. It really is 481 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: crazy to see if that dude who's trying to cash 482 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: in on his FBI works a new they document here 483 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: was kind of like it looked like in a Twitter 484 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: account he was affiliated with, dropping little hints, dropping non 485 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: public information about oh just wait, almost like the you 486 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: know your time in the barrel is coming. It was 487 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: sort of like that with a talk regard to Michigan. 488 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: How it was that kind of stuff. So you've got 489 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: that guy, You've got another FBI agent who we covered before, 490 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: who was the cases public face, Like this guy was 491 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,479 Speaker 1: someone who they were leaning heavily on to testify and 492 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: be sort of a linchpin of this prosecution. Oh well, 493 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: he was charged with beating his wife when they returned 494 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: home from swinger's party. So that guy's now he was 495 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: fired soon thereafter another agent was accused of perjury. Okay, 496 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: so another one. You had a state prosecutor and related 497 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: case who was reassigned and then retired in the face 498 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: of an audit into his prior use of informants. And 499 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: then you have the informant you just mentioned whose work 500 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: was crucial to the investigation, indicted on a gun charge 501 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: and under investigation for fraud. So I think this whole 502 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: thing is extremely revealing of many things. First of all, 503 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: and I really want you guys to take this in 504 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: if you're on the right side of the political spectrum. 505 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: These are the tactics that were pioneered under the h 506 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: were against terrorism. Oh yes, this is what was used 507 00:26:54,320 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: routinely against young, disaffected musclile men, predominantly in order to 508 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: to in some cases radicalize people who weren't even radicals 509 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,239 Speaker 1: at the time to then encourage them to come up 510 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: with these plots to then you know, try do whatever 511 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: they could to effectively entrap them. I mean, listen, the 512 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: courts didn't rule that these things were entrapman. But I 513 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: think anybody who looks looks dispassionately at the details and 514 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: how involved the government was in this plot, in some 515 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: of these plots, would see there would not have been 516 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: a plot if it was not for the government encouraging 517 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: and providing them resources and support to help concoct these plots. 518 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: So those tactics are pioneered under the War on Terror, 519 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: and now they're you know, continuing to be used and 520 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: in this instance against these individuals. And no one is 521 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: saying that these dudes who were open to the idea 522 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: of like kidnapping and murdering Gretchen Whitmer are good people, right. 523 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: That's part of what makes this cobblay, is part of 524 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: what made you know, as someone who's even open to 525 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: the idea of bombing Harold Square, that's not a sympathetic figure. 526 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: But these tactics are extraordinarily abusive, and bottom line, they 527 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: are not making you more safe. They are generating more crime. 528 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: They're putting money into the pockets of scumbacks. We covered 529 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: also how the FBI has authorized tens of thousands of 530 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: crimes to be committed of horrific crimes under their purview. 531 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: So it really does call into question this whole idea 532 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: of what is actually keeping us safe. What these sorts 533 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: of major, high profile prosecutions and busts ultimately do is 534 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: they bolster a lot of careers law enforcement officials and 535 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: of politicians. So that's why I don't care where you 536 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: are in the political spectrum, you should be very very 537 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: leary and upset about these type of tactics being used, 538 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: even if it's against people that you think are gross 539 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: and that you totally hate, it really doesn't matter. It 540 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: is absolutely abusing. That's something I've really had to learn. 541 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: And now anytime I see any one of these stories 542 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: like Big Fens Reveal plot, I'm like, yeah, old on 543 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: a second, let me see the indictment, you see the 544 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: underlying facts, and even then I still don't believe you, 545 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: And I'm probably not going to believe you unless I 546 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: see a whole lot more of discovery. That's something that deep. 547 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how much skepticism has come over 548 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, and I would just encourage 549 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: you all to incorporate in your daily lives. I don't 550 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: think you can trust them for a second. I really 551 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: don't indeed. Yeah, all right, guys, thanks so much for watching. 552 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: A lot more for you later