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Speaker 1: Welcome back, ronn Edi and the Cardock. Let's go over

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Speaker 1: and talk to Alan Lancaster, Ohio and see what's going

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Speaker 1: on with this ninety six S ten blazer. Hey Alan,

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Speaker 1: Ron Indian? How are you, sir?

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Speaker 2: Alrighty?

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: I'm having some problems with the dying on me.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I'm just started a week ago or so and four.

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Speaker 1: Four point three leter automatic four wheel drive kind of blazer.

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Speaker 2: Yes, gotcha, and we're just like coming down the hill

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Speaker 2: and whatever, and it just like to just just like

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Speaker 2: shut off. The lights on my dash come on and

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Speaker 2: just like shut off.

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Speaker 1: All right? Does it restart right away?

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Speaker 2: If you leave the ignition turned on and try to

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Speaker 2: restart it, it won't. But if you turn the ignition

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Speaker 2: back off and uh wait a few minutes, then it'll restart.

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Speaker 2: It's like it was like bogging down a little bit.

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Speaker 2: If you're going down the road, it'll start spitting and uttered,

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Speaker 2: and just the antilock break and the brake light will

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Speaker 2: come on and just die.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: And I was told it was a fuel pump, so

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Speaker 2: I changed it.

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Speaker 1: Well, well I didn't back up. How were you told

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Speaker 1: it was the fuel pump? Just somebody said, that's a

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Speaker 1: fuel pump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, somebody told me.

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Speaker 1: So they're wrong right off the bat, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I changed the fuel filled and the fuel pump, which

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Speaker 2: was expensive, and that didn't help it. So then someone

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Speaker 2: told me might be the ignition module, so I changed it,

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Speaker 2: just a little plug in thing. Wasn't bad. But and

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Speaker 2: that wasn't it. And then another friend told me about

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Speaker 2: the ignition. He had a friend that had a Blazer

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Speaker 2: and it was the ignition switch and the steering column.

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Speaker 2: So he told me, on your coil out there, there's

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Speaker 2: a little plug in with three wires.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 2: He said to find the hot one or whatever, which

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Speaker 2: all three of them were hot. And he said, when

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Speaker 2: it dies, probe them wires again and see if any

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Speaker 2: of them lost power, which none of them did.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question. How much money you

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Speaker 1: got invested in this truck?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: Oh, we paid fifty five We bought it off her

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Speaker 2: grandpa fifty five hundred, right, and you.

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Speaker 1: Got to have another five six hundred dollars in parts

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Speaker 1: in this truck? Easy now at this point?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, I just put a rebuilt Jasper transmission in.

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Speaker 2: It went out on me in November Okay.

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Speaker 1: Well, just just dealing with this diagnostic problem because I'm

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Speaker 1: going to make a point here in a second, anybody

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Speaker 1: hook a scan tool up yet to this car?

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Speaker 2: No, that was our next step. It's seventy dollars at

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Speaker 2: this place too.

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Speaker 1: And you know that should have been the first step.

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Speaker 2: But now I do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I'm going to beat you up a

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Speaker 1: little bit because I want to make the point. You know,

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Speaker 1: the diagnosis begins at the beginning, and you know we

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Speaker 1: need to get a scan tool on this. Now. They

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Speaker 1: may come back to you and say, gee, Alan, there's

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Speaker 1: no codes, And that's real possible because of everything that's

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Speaker 1: been kind of picked apart. But you know, when you

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Speaker 1: hook up a scan tool, you can also see things

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Speaker 1: there when there are no codes. It's not just for

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Speaker 1: code information. One of the things I would want to

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Speaker 1: see is I would look at fuel trim. Does fuel

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Speaker 1: trim look like it resets back to zero? In other words,

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Speaker 1: what I want to know is when this car shuts off,

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Speaker 1: is the PCM is the powertrain control module going into

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Speaker 1: some sort of a reset that it's losing power and

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Speaker 1: or a ground causing it to shut the vehicle off,

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Speaker 1: and it's going back to zero, meaning it starts its

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Speaker 1: numbers over again and it's the fault values. All right.

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Speaker 1: Is there any sort of communication system codes in this?

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Speaker 1: A U channel code meaning could this be a theft

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Speaker 1: system related issue? Does your ignition key have a chip

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Speaker 2: I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: If you look at it, it may have a black chip,

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Speaker 1: or it may be past key two, meaning that the

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Speaker 1: theft system is built into the ignition lock tumbler and

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Speaker 1: this may be going into some sort of theft event. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so that's something that's got to be looked at. And

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Speaker 1: what makes me think about that is you're saying that

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Speaker 1: you have to turn it off, wait a few.

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Speaker 2: Minutes, a few seconds of thirty seconds or something, and

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Speaker 2: then turn it back on.

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Speaker 1: If you go to crank it right away, it won't start, no,

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Speaker 1: And that's what makes me think we're losing you know,

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Speaker 1: theft system here?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Can you duplicate it and get it to happen at will?

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Speaker 2: Every now and then? I tried to do it, have

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Speaker 2: it like last night it started up, I had my

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Speaker 2: wife started up and it died almost thirty seconds after

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Speaker 2: it started. And then we waited and started it again,

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Speaker 2: and then it wouldn't die.

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Speaker 1: And is it consistently thirty seconds that it has to

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Speaker 1: before you crank it to start it.

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Speaker 2: No, not consistently. It could be like ten seconds. If

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Speaker 2: you turn the ignition all the way off and then

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Speaker 2: back on, it will start.

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Speaker 1: Okay, stupid question. Anybody check to see if the battery

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Speaker 1: terminals are on the loose side?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I took it in and to Vantado's and they

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Speaker 2: told me they were fine and everything, and I actually

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Speaker 2: cleaned them all up.

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Speaker 1: And you know, loose battery terminals on a GM on

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Speaker 1: a side mount will create all sorts of issues. Just

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Speaker 1: make sure those bolts are they don't have to be

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Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to make them, you know,

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Speaker 1: so that they're going to twist and fall off. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know they've got to be snug. They've got to

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Speaker 1: be tight. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I actually cleaned all them off and real good and

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Speaker 2: tighten them all down. They're they're all good.

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Speaker 1: Okay. You know it's got to get scanned. It's got

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Speaker 1: to be looked to see is it going into some

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Speaker 1: kind of PCM reset. The possibility of security system issues

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Speaker 1: has to come up. Oka you have to have that conversation.

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Speaker 2: Would that mean that the ignition switch actually has to

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Speaker 2: be changed. If that's the problem, well.

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Speaker 1: It could be that there's broken wires at the base

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Speaker 1: of the column or in the column that are not

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Speaker 1: allowing the signal from the ignition lock cylinder, not the switch,

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Speaker 1: but the lock cylinder to make its way over to

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Speaker 1: the PCM. As a response for that, the vehicle is

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Speaker 1: being operated or you know, being driven with the correct key.

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Speaker 1: What they do for that, that's past that. If that

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Speaker 1: they do in a lot of the THEFT systems is

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Speaker 1: the onboard computer looks for a certain resistance value out

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Speaker 1: of the wiring from the ignition lock cylinder. If it

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Speaker 1: sees that, then it will allow the injectors, the fuel

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Speaker 1: injectors to be driven, you know, clicked on and off

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Speaker 1: to operate the engine. In the event that it loses

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Speaker 1: signal from the past key system, it just stops driving

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Speaker 1: the injectors and the truck shuts off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it's doing.

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Speaker 1: Well, but you know, again, I'm describing something that could

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Speaker 1: also have fourteen other causes. It's not just going to

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Speaker 1: be that alone. That's why you've got to really begin

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Speaker 1: to diagnosis and a scan tool is a good place

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Speaker 1: to start, but it's only the first step.

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Speaker 2: What's my key? When I go to turn my key on? Sometimes, right,

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Speaker 2: it like catches and you have to mess with it

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Speaker 2: the key over, that'll help and then it'll go.

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Speaker 1: But you know, like all the time, right, you might

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Speaker 1: have a worn out lock cylinder causing an issue too.

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Speaker 1: And then there's also no rule that says it can't

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Speaker 1: be more than one problem too. Well, yeah, the fact

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Speaker 1: that you just changed the pile of parts. How many

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Speaker 1: parts do you think you changed four or five?

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Speaker 2: Well, I put a new CALLAC converter, Magna flow high

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Speaker 2: flow callect converter on it and the flow mastered.

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Speaker 1: Well regardless, none of that's going to make the stall

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Speaker 1: on DSL. But my point is for all those new

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Speaker 1: parts you were describing that you put in, the fuel

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Speaker 1: pump and all the other things, every new part you

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Speaker 1: a poor quality, or just because it's new, every new

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Speaker 1: else to look at and make it more of a

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Speaker 1: layered issue. Remember what new stands for you know what

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Speaker 1: new stands for, never ever worked. So until you get

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Speaker 1: that vehicle back to square one, I'll quote the Great

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Speaker 1: Yogi BERA, it ain't over till it's over. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: get somebody to scan it. Get them to look for

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Speaker 1: PCM reset, get them to look at security codes. Keep

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Speaker 1: in mind the fuel tank in the back, where the

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Speaker 1: fuel pump grounds on the frame rail there on the blazers,

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Speaker 1: there's a single black wire coming off the four plug

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Speaker 1: connector that leads to the fuel pump module in the tank.

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Speaker 1: That ground is known to corrode and create all sorts

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Speaker 1: of havoc with driveability issues.

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Speaker 2: I had an Jimmy that did that exacting.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Make sure you get good, clean, positive ground there

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Speaker 1: at the frame rail. Get those things looked at. You

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Speaker 1: call me back next week, let me know what happens.

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Speaker 1: But please, for the sake of your checkbook and your

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Speaker 1: sanity in mind, you got to diagnose from the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Start with a scan tool test. Let's see what this

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Speaker 1: car is lacking the next time it stalls and shuts off.

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Speaker 1: Is it spark? Is an injector pulse? Is it signal

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Speaker 1: from the PCM? Is it power to the PCM, call

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Speaker 1: me back, talk some more. Eight hundred and five four

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Speaker 1: four seven seven oh, ronn and ay and the car

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Speaker 1: doctor will be back right after this. My onion, I

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Speaker 1: know Clint does that to me. I have to do that.

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Speaker 1: It just makes some giggling left. He's sitting in there

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Speaker 1: in his new hat today. He's sort of looking like

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Speaker 1: a flashback to the sixties himself. Let's get on over

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Speaker 1: and talk to Russ out in the car in North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Russ ronning any and the car doctor clowning around. How

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Speaker 1: can I help you today?

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Speaker 3: Sir? Hey, how's it going?

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Speaker 2: Ron good?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 3: I have a ninety eight four Explorer. I take it

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Speaker 3: on the beach down here and put it in four

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Speaker 3: low runs great. I have no problems with it, and

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Speaker 3: we bought it new and my wife driving well. I

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Speaker 3: just went out and bought a used two thousand and

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Speaker 3: forty for XLT runs great, went handed checked out at

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Speaker 3: the Ford dealership. Excellent. Only paid thirty five hundred for it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it works great. But my question is, and

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Speaker 3: when I took this one on the beach, the four

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Speaker 3: wheel driving this truck is nowhere near like the ninety eight.

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Speaker 3: The motor is working way too hard. The four wheel

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Speaker 3: drive doesn't pull at all. I mean I literally just

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Speaker 3: about got stuck on the beach. And I never had

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Speaker 3: that problem with my ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: Same engines between the two trucks for.

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Speaker 3: Us, same exact engines.

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Speaker 1: Same four wheel drive setup, manual low. Yes, the only

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Speaker 1: If the engine is mechanically sound, there really isn't a

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Speaker 1: whole lot that can be there in the four wheel drive.

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Speaker 1: If you are in four wheel, are you sure you're

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Speaker 1: going into four wheel?

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Speaker 3: Well, I hear it sounds like it is engaging.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. If you put it

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Speaker 1: in four wheel on the two thousand, it was a

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Speaker 1: two thousand, you'd said, yeah, if you put it what

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Speaker 1: do you have a choice of auto four wheel drive,

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Speaker 3: No? No, no, I have auto four by four high

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Speaker 3: and low.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if you put it in four by four

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Speaker 1: which will lock it into manual four wheel Have you

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Speaker 1: tried going into a cul de sac and turning around

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Speaker 1: to see if the truck has some you know, bounces

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Speaker 1: like it's binding, like it is in four.

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Speaker 3: Wheel No, I have not tried that.

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Speaker 1: You know, you have to be careful with that too.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to force it. But or even if

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Speaker 1: you found a big empty parking lot, put it in

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Speaker 1: four wheel high and just you know, did three miles

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Speaker 1: start to bump and bounce a little bit like it

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Speaker 1: really is in four wheel drive? Okay, you don't know,

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Speaker 1: you know, but that would be the first thing if

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Speaker 1: it's going into four wheel Then the next thing I

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Speaker 1: would want to see is, you know, are the tires

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Speaker 1: the same and are they have good quality?

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Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, everything is mean asks, everything is exactly the same.

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Speaker 3: I always get the same tires. As soon as I

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Speaker 3: got this, someone got brand new tires.

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Speaker 1: What brand ty are you putting on there? Just out

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Speaker 1: of curiosity they are?

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Speaker 3: Let me look, because I always try to go with

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Speaker 3: what the factory recommends. Right, I'm going with Mitchell and LTA.

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Speaker 1: It's a good tire. Absolutely, absolutely, it's a good tire.

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Speaker 1: I checked to see if that vehicle's going into the

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Speaker 1: four wheel drive? Okay, you know, just because it says

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Speaker 1: it is doesn't necessarily means it's so how many miles

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Speaker 3: And when I about one hundred and ten thousand miles, okay.

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Speaker 1: I would just check to see if that vehicle's going

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Speaker 1: to the four wheel drive. I wonder if it is okay,

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Speaker 1: And it might be as simple as that.

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Speaker 3: All right, One other quick questions, if you don't mind, sure,

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Speaker 3: with both of my Explorers, I love my I love

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Speaker 3: my vehicle. I mean they're great cars. But I went

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Speaker 3: to the U haul place. When I allow you to

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Speaker 3: rent a pull or pull a trailer with them? Can

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Speaker 3: you tell me why that is? They can't, probably.

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Speaker 1: Because well, let me ask you this. Can they put

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Speaker 1: a trailer? Had it?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I mean I've got the towing package in

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Speaker 3: the whole nine yards on both of my vehicles.

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Speaker 1: Then I don't. I don't have an answer for that one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it may be well unless they're somehow doing or

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Speaker 1: attributing it to the you know, because of the alleged

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Speaker 1: rollover issues that they say the Explorer has, which I

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Speaker 1: don't believe it to be. I think it was more

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Speaker 1: of a tire issue than anything else. Maybe they're nervous

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Speaker 1: about the stability of the vehicle teller. That would be

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Speaker 1: the only thing that comes to mind, because I do

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Speaker 1: see I do see explorers with trailer hitches on them,

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Speaker 1: and you know, maybe it's just a company policy for

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Speaker 1: U haul, just for that particular vehicle. I'm not aware

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Speaker 1: of anybody else saying that they can't toell with it.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Things all right, sir, good luck. You're welcome. Ronnin Ay

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Speaker 1: and the car doctor. We're back right after this seven

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Speaker 1: doty seven. Come on, Connor, that's got hold on you

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Speaker 1: lave me dons on. I mean, hey, let's get going here.

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Speaker 1: Let's wind up the hour running any of the card docket.

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Speaker 1: Let's go over and talk to Randy down there in Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: Double ow old olero. Hey Randy, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I got a two thousand old will be alero. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I can fill up with gas and I get out

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Speaker 4: to half a tank and it won't start anymore unless

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Speaker 4: I put some gas in it.

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Speaker 1: All right, how do you know? The dumb question I'm

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Speaker 1: going to ask is, how do you know it's at

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Speaker 1: a half a tank? How do you know the gas

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Speaker 1: cage is accurate?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: You're right. I don't.

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, well, let me ask you this. When it

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Speaker 1: gets down to that half a tank mark, or that

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Speaker 1: alleged half a tank mark, Yeah, when you fill it up,

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Speaker 1: how many gallons does it take?

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Speaker 4: I didn't Well that's why I'm saying I think to

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Speaker 4: say it. It doesn't take but about you know, three

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Speaker 4: maybe four gallons. I just filled it up just a

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Speaker 4: little file ago, and it's held four gallons. I had

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Speaker 4: about eighty something miles on it.

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Speaker 1: Right. Something doesn't sound right there because at a half

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Speaker 1: a tank that's probably a fifteen or eighteen gallon fuel tank. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it should take nine or ten gallons at a half

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Speaker 1: a tank.

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Speaker 4: Well, I haven't let it get quite to the half tank.

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Speaker 4: It's about halfway between half and three quarters. Okay, I

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Speaker 4: get down to the half I know it won't start,

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Speaker 4: so I I just reset my trip podometer each time

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Speaker 4: and let it get up to about one hundred and

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Speaker 4: twenty five miles one hundred and twenty hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: Only, and then and then go fill it up. Let

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Speaker 1: me ask you this question, if you were if you

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Speaker 1: were to run it down to a half a tank,

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Speaker 1: will it die on the road.

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Speaker 4: No, you can run it all the way down. You

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Speaker 4: can run it till it goes to empty. If you

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Speaker 4: never shut it off, it's fat.

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Speaker 1: All right, Before we go on the assumption that this

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Speaker 1: is directly related to fuel, I'm not saying it's not.

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Speaker 1: Can you know, get it down under a half a tank.

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Speaker 1: And here's the scenario I've got in my mind. If

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Speaker 1: took it to a repair shop and put it into that,

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Speaker 1: you know, and shut it off, it'll go into a

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Speaker 1: no start mode. Correct, right? All right? Can they hook

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Speaker 1: up a fuel pressure gauge, do fuel pressure and volume

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Speaker 1: and verify that it's not getting fuel? And I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying it's not. But before we start chasing something that

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Speaker 1: we think is fuel, let's diagnose that it's a quick

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Speaker 1: simple test. Let's hook up a fuel pressure gauge. When

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Speaker 1: it's under a half a tank. That car goes into

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Speaker 1: a no start if it's got fuel, if it's got pressure,

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Speaker 1: if it's got volume. And the easiest volume test with

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Speaker 1: a pressure gauge hooked up is a glass Snapple bottle

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Speaker 1: and does it fill the Snapple bottle in thirty seconds?

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Speaker 1: We know it's not that if it's that. We'll deal

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Speaker 1: with it and drop the tank. Call me back. I'm

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Speaker 1: running any in the car, Doctor. The mechanics aren't expensive,

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Speaker 1: they're priceless. See you