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Speaker 3: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. We have an

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Speaker 3: amazing show for Abudy today. What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do so a lot to get into. So

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Speaker 2: yesterday we got word that President Trump was going to

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Speaker 2: give a speech in the evening the show to be

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Speaker 2: all these rumors from Tucker Carlson and others that he

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Speaker 2: was going to announce a direct attack on Venezuela.

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Speaker 4: Sour was very upset.

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Speaker 2: Then he ends up giving this like weird speech on

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Speaker 2: the economy and announcing some things that we're going to

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Speaker 2: continued possibility of direct war with Menushela. We're gonna have

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Speaker 2: Rocana here, which is huge because he's been leading the

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Speaker 2: way on Venezuela war powers resolutions.

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Speaker 4: And also the.

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Speaker 2: Epstein files are set to be released tomorrow and Row

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Speaker 2: of course has been really leading the charge there as well.

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Speaker 2: So really looking forward to speaking with him about what

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Speaker 4: So we've got that.

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Speaker 2: We have Republicans defecting from Mike Johnson and joining the

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Speaker 2: Trump also making some comments about healthcare yesterday evening. We

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Speaker 2: have some wild comments from Trump and from Burriam Addilson,

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Speaker 2: basically her like openly bribing him in public to run

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Speaker 2: for an unconstitutional third term with the help of other

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Speaker 4: So that's a lot to get into.

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Speaker 2: We also have some new plaques installed at the White

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Speaker 4: We will show you that.

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Speaker 4: You guys are all really excited about.

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Speaker 3: As Crystal said, a lot of speculation there about Venezuela, Venezuela, Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: I was personally skeptical of the entire time.

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Speaker 3: don't know where this Venezuela thing is coming from. They're like,

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Speaker 3: it's pretty much going to be a campaign speech, and

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 3: So here were the very first thing out of Donald

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Speaker 3: He was one minute late, by the way, which I

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Speaker 1: So this is what we had eleven months ago.

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Speaker 7: I inherited a mess, and I'm fixing it. When I

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Speaker 1: So there was a lot of that.

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Speaker 3: Basically, it was about what twenty minutes or so. It

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Speaker 3: A lot of people not really buying it didn't particularly

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Speaker 3: But as he said in the beginning eleven months ago,

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Speaker 3: you don't try imagine being Joe Biden as he tried

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Speaker 1: Like you've just been in power for too long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, And especially with how aggressive Trump has

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Speaker 4: The speech was weird.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious, do you think that the venezuela thing was

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Speaker 2: a plant? I saw people speculating that like they wanted

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Speaker 3: You don't think so, No, I'm telling you that was

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Speaker 2: I took it possibly seriously at Tucker saying that's one thing.

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Speaker 2: But then you had anti war dot Com, which I mean,

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Speaker 2: all kinds of noises about Venezuela. I mean, that's still

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Speaker 2: I mean, the speech itself was strange because it was

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Speaker 4: He's like, all the stock market's been so high.

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Speaker 2: Things are so great for him and his friends who

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Speaker 2: He also floated, and this was an interesting one as well.

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Speaker 2: He said they're going to use the tariff revenue to

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Speaker 4: And that's noteworthy too.

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Speaker 2: And I think could also be you know, responsible for

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Speaker 2: probably set imminently to strike down those terraffs.

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Speaker 4: So then what and I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, I think Trump has authority with tariff revenue to

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Speaker 2: But then if you're promising something to service members and

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Speaker 2: strike that down, like that money is not going to

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Speaker 2: go back go out. You're going to have to actually

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Speaker 2: pay that some money back to you know, companies that

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Speaker 2: have been paying these terrifts. It's all I think that's

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Speaker 1: It's so up in the air right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So to explain, Trump announce something called a Warrior

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Speaker 3: diving in which would be seventeen seventy six dollars for

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Speaker 3: every active duty American service member. I don't know is

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Speaker 3: that especially after the shutdown when you had the guys

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Speaker 4: The economy is vis a VI.

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Speaker 1: Of it's all Trump's fault.

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Speaker 3: Actually, we've done everything that we could, the American Rescue

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Speaker 2: so in any case, well, at least we're not at

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Speaker 2: war with Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: We're not at war with Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: I am more underslept than normal, So thank you President

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Speaker 3: Trump for making me stay up late to watch a

445
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Speaker 3: stupid speech. And to everybody else in the White House,

446
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Speaker 3: fuck you look, if you.

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Speaker 9: Got to stay up late, it's of the Union or something, A.

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Speaker 1: Good something, Yeah, gotta be right. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I looked at my wife. I said, I was like,

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Speaker 3: can you believe I stayed up for this ship. She's like,

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Speaker 3: You're gonna be so mad.

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Speaker 1: She was right, all right, love you babe. So let's

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Speaker 1: turn to Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, were gonna talk about that a little bit with

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Speaker 3: Congressman Roe Conna, but and Brian and Emily touched on

456
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Speaker 3: this a little bit as well, as the speculation online

457
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Speaker 3: was building the case for taking taking back our oil

458
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Speaker 3: from Venezuela was being made there from Donald Trump. Here's

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Speaker 3: what he had to say on the tarmac while receiving

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Speaker 3: the troops of dead American soldiers from Syria.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he said on Venezuela.

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Speaker 10: Not gonna let anybody going through that shouldn't be going through.

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Speaker 10: You remember that took all of our energy, a right,

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Speaker 10: take the goal of our oil from not that long ago.

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Speaker 5: And we want it back.

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Speaker 3: But they cook it.

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Speaker 10: They illegally took it.

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Speaker 1: They illegally took the oil.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Ryan did a good job yesterday of just

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Speaker 3: discussing and breaking down this whole thing. So I won't

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Speaker 3: go into the general history and all of that of

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Speaker 3: Chavez and of nineteen seventy six and all of that

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Speaker 3: of oil. I will just simply point out the inconsistencies.

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Speaker 3: Let's say that you wanted all the oil from Venezuela,

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Speaker 3: then that leader said you can have all the oil

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Speaker 3: from Venezuela, and you said, I'm going to launch a

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Speaker 3: war because he refuses to give me back the oil.

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Speaker 3: Would that make any sense to any of you? Because again,

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Speaker 3: like everyone's trying to even retconning nineteen seventy six nationalization

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Speaker 3: from Venezuela or Chavez, or the fact that Chevron today

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Speaker 3: today is exporting oil from Venezuela under a special license

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Speaker 3: granted to them by the Biden administration. Again, let me

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Speaker 3: reiterate that that at this entire time, an American oil

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Speaker 3: company continues to export oil from Venezuela under Maduro. Even

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Speaker 3: if you accepted all of those ridiculous premises, if the

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Speaker 3: core goal was to get the oil, and the leader

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Speaker 3: said you can have the oil, then what the hell

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Speaker 3: are we all doing here? And it's like the press

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Speaker 3: is derelict in their explanations of all of this.

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Speaker 1: Maduro has said, I will give you the oil, I

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Speaker 1: will give you the minerals.

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Speaker 3: All I want to do is kind of stay in

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Speaker 3: power and go out on my own terms and hand

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Speaker 3: power off to my guy. And at every turn we're

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Speaker 3: like no. So even people who are saying it's about

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Speaker 3: the oil.

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Speaker 1: I wish it were about the oil.

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Speaker 3: That would make more sense, because if it were about

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Speaker 3: the oil, then we could make a deal. This is

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Speaker 3: about Marco Rubio, whose family is Cuban and has a

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Speaker 3: lifelong dream, who believes in the nineteen sixties Domino theory

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Speaker 3: that if we knock off Venezuela, then Cuba will be next.

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Speaker 3: That's the level of stupidity that we're all dealing with,

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Speaker 3: Like Florida Miami occupied government. I saw a tweet from

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Speaker 3: a congressman yesterday from and he was like, the Nicaraguan

506
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Speaker 3: Venezuelan exiles that I represent are deeply supportive of President Trump.

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Speaker 3: I was like, imagine if you said that about any

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Speaker 3: other community. You know, my family's Indian. Can you imagine

509
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Speaker 3: if my whole personality was about fucking Kashmir or something

510
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Speaker 3: like it would be insane. That would be the definition

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Speaker 3: of dual loyalty and of importing your old world grievances

512
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Speaker 3: to our country. If you want to talk about integration

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Speaker 3: lack of assimilation, I'm looking at people who are still

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Speaker 3: grudged over some revolution during the nineteen fifties.

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Speaker 1: I don't give a shit, Okay, whether.

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Speaker 3: Your family got to keep a plantation in Cuba, and

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Speaker 3: as Tucker famously said, you know they talk about expropriation.

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Speaker 3: They seem to be doing okay down to South Florida.

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Speaker 3: The last time I checked, they all live in pretty

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Speaker 3: nice houses. Just saying all right, that's fine, seems to do.

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Speaker 3: You're doing well.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy for you.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean I need to send my you know,

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Speaker 3: tax dollars and use our military to go in to

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Speaker 3: restore the glory of your family down in Venice, Like

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Speaker 3: it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Is a piece of this that just still as I

528
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Speaker 2: go over it just still doesn't add up for me

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Speaker 2: with Trump. And maybe the answer is that he doesn't

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Speaker 2: really intend to do like direct strikes or certainly an invasion,

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Speaker 2: that they just want to saber rattle as much as

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Speaker 2: possible to get.

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Speaker 4: As good a deal as possible.

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe that is maybe that is actually what's

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Speaker 2: going on here, and I think that's certainly possible. But

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Speaker 2: I know where, I know ideologically where Marco Rubio is

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Speaker 2: coming from, where some of the other Fluoridians and government

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Speaker 2: are coming from. I understand Stephen Miller's interest in this

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Speaker 2: because of his whole like, you know, let's just murder

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Speaker 2: the drug dealers and that consolidates more power for him

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Speaker 2: and gives him more power domastically as well. Like again,

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Speaker 2: all of that, I don't quite get the full like

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Speaker 2: last piece of why this was persuasive to Trump when,

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Speaker 2: like you said, like it seems like what he would

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Speaker 2: love to do is you know, yes, saber rattle and

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Speaker 2: then be able to come out and say, oh, we

547
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Speaker 2: made this deal and look at what it's doing for us,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. So maybe that is the endpoint

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Speaker 2: where we end up. But I think we also have

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Speaker 2: to give some credence to Rhyne's theory that he floated of, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: he thinks and he actively wants another migrant crisis in

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Speaker 2: caravans coming to the border because he thinks that benefits

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Speaker 2: Republicans politically and it also benefits them in terms of

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Speaker 2: getting their like right wing allies in government in South America,

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Speaker 2: as we saw we covered the election in Chile.

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Speaker 4: I actually with one.

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Speaker 3: I think that here's the core argument. This is what

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Speaker 3: I've been told directly from arguments in the oval. The

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Speaker 3: way that it's being presentative, mister President, you have to finish.

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Speaker 1: It's just like with George W.

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Speaker 3: Bush and Iraq. You have to finish the job. You

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Speaker 3: looked weak because in the first.

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Speaker 1: Exactly that's all it is. It's all just that you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're like, if you make a deal, you're

565
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Speaker 3: gonna look weak because we've gone all out and you

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Speaker 3: recognize this former government. That's it is that he has

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Speaker 3: been this is this is the Rubio strategy is. For

568
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Speaker 3: a while, they were like, but he stole the election.

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Speaker 3: Trump's like, I don't give a shit. Stole the election.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: My son in law's out here making cash money with

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Speaker 3: the golf model. You think I care about democracy. For

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Speaker 3: a while, they're like he's really bad on human rights.

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Speaker 3: Trump again is like, I literally don't care. Right, I'm

575
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Speaker 3: gonna sit next to MBS. Then they finally landed on

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Speaker 3: he's a drug trafficker, which is very good for a

577
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Speaker 3: lot of people around him. And then finally everyone just

578
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Speaker 3: keeps telling him you're gonna look weak if you don't

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Speaker 3: back down.

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Speaker 1: That's why he refuses to make a deal, even though

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Speaker 1: he's a so called deal maker.

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Speaker 3: I do want to give up some props to Maduro,

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Speaker 3: which I never thought I would say in my life.

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Speaker 3: They keep saying, Bro, you gotta leave, and he's like, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm not leaving. You're either going to kill me or

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Speaker 3: you're gonna make a deal. And right now we're brushing

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Speaker 3: up against even what the Trump administration wants to do.

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Speaker 3: From a legal perspective, there's a reason that if everybody

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Speaker 3: goes and reads the truth social it was being presented

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Speaker 3: as a full blockade, it's not so read what it

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Speaker 3: actually says.

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Speaker 1: He says.

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Speaker 3: Ever, assembled, it will get bigger and bigger until such

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Speaker 3: time as they return to the United States. The illegitimate

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Speaker 3: Maduro blah blah blah, I am today ordering a total

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Speaker 3: and complete blockade of all sanctioned oil tankers.

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Speaker 1: People read that as a total blockade.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though, only about thirty something percent of

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Speaker 3: the tankers that come in and out of Venezuela are

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Speaker 3: actually sanctioned. The one that was taken down by the

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Speaker 3: Trump administration was previously sanctioned under Iranian has Bola. The

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Speaker 3: Iranian has Bola sanctions, That's what the legal authority was.

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Speaker 3: Two tankers left Venezuela yesterday. Now I'm not saying this

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Speaker 3: isn't going to be massively disruptive to the Maduro regime.

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Speaker 3: But it just shows you they're in a bind. They

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Speaker 3: have the law where they are right now where they

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Speaker 3: can try to finagle these drug boats and all of that.

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Speaker 3: And Trump keeps saying land strikes are coming.

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Speaker 1: Hasn't done it. The legal pretext for that very difficult

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Speaker 1: to justify.

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Speaker 3: And Congress, if he actually did do that, may step on, say,

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Speaker 3: may step in. They haven't stepped in yet. They're getting

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Speaker 3: him a short leash. But you know, let's put a

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Speaker 3: six up here on the screen. I'm excited to talk

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Speaker 3: about this with Congressman Rocana Is. Just yesterday the House

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Speaker 3: of Representatives only very narrowly failed in a vote on

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Speaker 3: a Venezuela War Powers resolution, which would have stopped all

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Speaker 3: the stuff that we see right now.

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Speaker 1: It failed at two hundred and eleven to two thirteen.

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Speaker 3: If they actually start striking land or striking boats for example,

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Speaker 3: like real like Venezuelan oil tankers and blowing them up,

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Speaker 3: or get into an armed conflict, I think that would

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Speaker 3: flip very quickly, you know, the Venezuelan Navy.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 3: Why I have to respect Maduro is he keeps calling

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Speaker 3: Trump's bluff. He's like, I'll take all your migrants, keep

627
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Speaker 3: sending them, send them, I'll take them. Right, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to give you what you really really want. And at

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Speaker 3: the same time, you're making these threats about my oil tankers. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to denounce that as an active piracy. Yesterday

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Speaker 3: he sent the Venezuelan navy to escort the those two

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Speaker 3: tankers that I just talked about. So now we have

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Speaker 3: a decision to make. What's happening here? Are we getting

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Speaker 3: into a gunfight?

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Speaker 4: Then you've got a direct confrontation.

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Speaker 3: Now you've got a real thing that's happening, which again,

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Speaker 3: nobody has authorized, nobody's voted on this, and of course

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Speaker 3: this is not an excuse. All of this could spiral

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Speaker 3: out of control incredibly quickly.

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Speaker 1: And we can end up in some uss main situation.

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Speaker 3: So please do not like take this as me saying

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Speaker 3: that they're being cautious. I'm saying that they're in illegal

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Speaker 3: and a difficult political bind. They do not want American

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Speaker 3: troops to die. They do not want any American troops

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Speaker 3: ever to set foot on Venezuela and soil. Their best

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Speaker 3: case scenario is a Libya NATO style intervention, which yeah.

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Speaker 9: Exactly, really, yeah, right, it goes without saying all of

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Speaker 9: that said, they are still in a very tough place

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Speaker 9: where they can't go to Congress because Congress would vote

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Speaker 9: it down if they really.

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Speaker 3: Wanted to what they wanted to do, like full blown

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Speaker 3: regime change. So everything is like CIA pressure machinations, and

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Speaker 3: Maduro has called their bluff every step of the way.

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Speaker 1: They're like, give us all your oil. He's like okay,

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Speaker 1: he's like, take all of our migrants.

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Speaker 3: Okay, except the one thing you won't give on is

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Speaker 3: I'm not just gonna step down from power. So he's

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Speaker 3: basically saying, kill me or make a deal with me.

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Speaker 3: And so I don't know. I mean, look, we might

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Speaker 3: kill him. I really hope that we don't, but we might.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's go ahead and bring in Conngresson Rocanna to

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Speaker 2: talk about all of this. And you know, he's been

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Speaker 2: really leading the charge with these war powers, resolute, working

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Speaker 2: in a bipartisan manner with Congressman Thomas Massey. So let's

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Speaker 2: go ahead and get to Connerson. Conna join us now,

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Speaker 2: Connerson Rocanna.

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Speaker 4: Great to see you, sir, You always good to be on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, let me put back up on the screen. Guys,

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Speaker 2: A six, so we can get the War Powers resolution

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Speaker 2: vote from yesterday, which narrowly failed to eleven to two thirteen.

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Speaker 2: And you've been deeply involved in trying to push back

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Speaker 2: against this administration's rogue actions with regard to these drug

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Speaker 2: votes and potential strikes in Venezuela. You had only three

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Speaker 2: Republicans join with all of the Democrats save for one

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Speaker 2: who I believe was Henry Quaar, and then you also

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Speaker 2: had nine people who inexplicably missed the vote, including four Democrats.

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Speaker 2: You know, what did you make of this, of this

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Speaker 2: narrow failure.

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Speaker 11: There's a failure of Congress again. I mean, look, the

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Speaker 11: American people don't want regime change wars. And there were

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Speaker 11: two war Powers resolutions actually that failed. One said just

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Speaker 11: bombing boats in the Caribbean without clear standards. But the

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Speaker 11: other one that should have easily passed, said we don't

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Speaker 11: want to go into Venezuela to have a land invasion

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Speaker 11: and topple Madero, and even that did not pass.

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Speaker 5: And so Congress is really to blame for these endless wars.

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Speaker 11: We are not willing to assert our constitutional authority, sir.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that we're really puzzled about here

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Speaker 3: is the presentation from the Trump administration where they're trying

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Speaker 3: to force Maduro out, but they have not yet moved

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Speaker 3: to any full blown kinetic action. Just curious from your perspective,

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Speaker 3: at least on land is really what I'm talking about

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Speaker 3: against the Maduro regime. There were some speculation about congressional

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Speaker 3: briefings and others being given yesterday. I'm just wondering if

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Speaker 3: you've heard anything about that from you and your colleagues,

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Speaker 3: and know you your self serve on some of the relevant committees,

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Speaker 3: have you heard anything recently.

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Speaker 11: I was in a classified briefing yesterday about the second

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Speaker 11: strike on the boat, and all I'll say about that

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Speaker 11: is that it should be.

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Speaker 5: Released to the American public.

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Speaker 11: I've made that clear and that I have concerns about

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Speaker 11: these strikes in the Caribbean. By the way, we've interdicted

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Speaker 11: or stopped about ten tons of cocaine coming in, while

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Speaker 11: Donald Trump has pardoned the former president of Honduras Hernandez,

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Speaker 11: who brought in four hundred tons of cocaine, So.

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Speaker 5: It's total hypocrisy.

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Speaker 11: The other concern I have is that they're basically increasing

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Speaker 11: our crup presence in Puerto Rico, increasing the crew presence

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Speaker 11: in Florida, increasing our naval presence in the Caribbean, increasing

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Speaker 11: our aircraft carriers.

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Speaker 5: Our Germany Ford carry is there.

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Speaker 11: They're provoking a war, and if there's one incident that

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Speaker 11: takes place, they can blame Madero and use that as

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Speaker 11: justification to have a regime change war. The American people

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Speaker 11: have rejected this, and yet this administration is doing exactly

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Speaker 11: what the American people don't want.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to play a little bit of commerce, and

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Speaker 2: Thomas Massey worked really effectively in collaboration with across the

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Speaker 2: Aisle on some of these foreign policy matters. In particular,

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and take a listen to the case

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Speaker 2: he made against this regime change war.

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Speaker 6: The Framers understood a simple truth to the extent that

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Speaker 6: warmaking power devolves to one person, liberty dissolves. If the

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Speaker 6: President believes military action against Venezuela is justified and needed,

726
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Speaker 6: he should make the case and Congress should vote before

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Speaker 6: American lives and treasure are spent on regime change in

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Speaker 6: South America. Let's be honest about likely outcomes. Do we

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Speaker 6: truly believe that Nicholas Maduro will be replaced by a

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Speaker 6: modern day George Washington. How did that work out in Cuba, Libya,

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Speaker 6: Iraq or Syria. Previous presidents told us to go to

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Speaker 6: war over WMD's weapons of mass destruction that did not exist.

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Speaker 6: Now it's the same playbook, except we're told that drugs

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Speaker 6: are the WMDs.

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Speaker 5: If it were.

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Speaker 6: About drugs, we'd bomb Mexican Co or China or Columbia,

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Speaker 6: and the President would not have pardoned one Orlando Hernandez.

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Speaker 6: This is about oil and regime change.

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately Thomas Massey there one of only three who

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Speaker 2: voted for this War Powers resolution. Help us understand why

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Speaker 2: is there so much more support for these regime change

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Speaker 2: wars in Congress than there is among the American people.

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Speaker 11: Well, I could have given the same exact speech, literally

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Speaker 11: word to word that Thomas Massey did. I mean, he

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Speaker 11: absolutely nailed it. The problem is is several things. One,

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Speaker 11: as he pointed out, their oil interests. I mean, the

747
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Speaker 11: Koch brothers have refineries in the Gulf of Mexico that

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Speaker 11: require a need Venezuela and oil. That oil has been restricted.

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Speaker 11: Their profits are being hurt. Second, you look weak. I mean,

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Speaker 11: if you make this argument that we don't want to

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Speaker 11: be for regime change war in the Beltway foreign policy blob,

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Speaker 11: they paint you as unserious about national security. Third, they

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Speaker 11: pay you as well. You may be sympathetic to Madero

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Speaker 11: and he's a terrible leader. Well yeah, he is a

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Speaker 11: terrible leader. But the point is and whether he's a

756
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Speaker 11: terrible leader, the point is whether you want to commit

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Speaker 11: American money and American troops to a war that's not going.

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Speaker 5: To have a better outcome.

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Speaker 11: But it's the same game that what's frustrating is the

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Speaker 11: American public now has seen through it. They keep voting

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Speaker 11: for the president who promises them no endless wars, and

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Speaker 11: yet the Congress seems to be asleep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very frustrating for many of us watching, sir,

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Speaker 3: we do while we have you want to talk a

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Speaker 3: little bit about the Epstein files. Tomorrow is supposed to

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Speaker 3: be the day that the Trump administration does comply with

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Speaker 3: the legislation that you spearheaded with Congressman Thomas Massey. Just curious,

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Speaker 3: first of all, if you can preview anything that you

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Speaker 3: may have heard about what might be coming, and second

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Speaker 3: some consequences for the administration if they don't live up

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Speaker 3: to that.

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Speaker 11: Well, the early terrib will be whether they comply with

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Speaker 11: three federal judges. The federal judges have ordered that the

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Speaker 11: Grain Jewelry testimony and all of the discovery of the

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Speaker 11: Maxwell trials and the Epstein trial be released. And there's

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Speaker 11: a lot of information in there that will implicate other

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Speaker 11: rich and powerful men who were either at the island

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Speaker 11: who covered up for Epstein knowing what was taking place,

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Speaker 11: or who either abused under age girls or traffic in

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Speaker 11: young women illegally. And so if they don't release that,

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Speaker 11: that would be a total slap on the face, especially

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Speaker 11: because the DJ cited Massey and my law saying that

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Speaker 11: judges should require the release of this information. More broadly,

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Speaker 11: what we want to see is the draft indictments which

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Speaker 11: have other individuals named other than just Epstein and Maxwell.

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Speaker 11: We want to see the witness interviews that the FBI conducted,

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Speaker 11: so we actually know who is part of this Epstein

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Speaker 11: class that cover this.

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Speaker 5: Up or abused or raped young girls.

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Speaker 11: I believe if they do not comply, there's going to

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Speaker 11: be outrage in this country, But people also could be

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Speaker 11: subject to prosecution for obstruction of justice. And I believe

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Speaker 11: we need to hold people in the Trump administration accountable

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Speaker 11: for crimes they have committed, and the next Democratic president

795
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Speaker 11: should do that. So people should be very careful about

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Speaker 11: violating laws and obstruction of justice. We can hold Pambondi

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Speaker 11: an inherent contempt of Congress where the Sergeant of Arms

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Speaker 11: could actually arrest her.

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Speaker 5: We could impeach Bondi.

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Speaker 11: There are a lot of options on the table that

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Speaker 11: Republicans and Democrats are talking about.

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Speaker 5: I hope it doesn't come to that.

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Speaker 2: And are you working with the Epstein survivors and with

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Speaker 2: their lawyers to help you determine whether the files are

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Speaker 2: being released in a fulsome nature since they would have

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Speaker 2: some knowledge of what should be contained in them, Chris.

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Speaker 5: So, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 11: I'm working very closely with Bradley Edwards, who is the

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Speaker 11: most prominent lawyer for the survivors, and he's seen a

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Speaker 11: lot of these files. Some of those files he actually

811
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Speaker 11: has through discovery. So we know if there are games

812
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Speaker 11: that are going to be played, we know if the

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Speaker 11: names that these survivors want to come out are coming out.

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Speaker 11: And Massey and I have spent too much time with

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Speaker 11: these survivors to just let this slide. We are emotionally

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Speaker 11: invested in this. We know what this means to the survivors,

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Speaker 11: and we are going to continue to raise our voices

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Speaker 11: and fight until we have full transparency. If we need

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Speaker 11: to bring the survivors to the front of the Capitol again,

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Speaker 11: I hope that's not going to be necessary.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that we've been consistently looking at

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Speaker 3: here with the Epstein files. You've called it the Epstein

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Speaker 3: class as well, is a general lack of accountability for

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Speaker 3: the people surrounding who enabled him. And I'm just curious,

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Speaker 3: you know, from your perspective, as you're looking at the

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Speaker 3: broader kind of democratic elite and others, how you go

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Speaker 3: about as a prospective leader of that party exiling you know,

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Speaker 3: the Larry Summers and all of those of the world,

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Speaker 3: but many of the other financiers, the Bill Clintons and

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Speaker 3: others who associated themselves over the years with Epstein and

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Speaker 3: kind of what this legislation combined with that public reckoning

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Speaker 3: means for you.

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Speaker 11: Well, let me just paint a vivid picture. You have

834
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Speaker 11: Epstein's rape violin, you have these sex parties going on.

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Speaker 11: Suddenly you have one or two young girls who are

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Speaker 11: sixteen seventeen, and they're powerful men at these parties, knowing

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Speaker 11: what's going on not saying anything, regardless of whether they themselves.

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Speaker 5: Rape these underage girls.

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Speaker 11: What signal does it send to a sixteen or seventeen

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Speaker 11: year old at one of these parties. If they have

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Speaker 11: powerful politicians, powerful rich people there watching what's going on,

842
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Speaker 11: not saying a word, it sends a message that this

843
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Speaker 11: is normal behavior, and those people need to be held accountable,

844
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Speaker 11: just like the people who actually rape these girls. My

845
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Speaker 11: view is let the chips fall where they may. I

846
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Speaker 11: was totally shocked and disgusted by Harvard's actions that there

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Speaker 11: are apparently two young feminists who recorded some part of

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Speaker 11: Larry Summers, who's a public figure, and they're actually facing

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Speaker 11: disciplinary hearings at Harvard University for doing something that, in

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Speaker 11: my view, was just basically free speech. It's not like

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Speaker 11: they were recording kids or the classroom discussion. They were

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Speaker 11: exercising speech with a public figure. But I believe that

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Speaker 11: we need to get rid of this Epstein class. We

854
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Speaker 11: need to get rid of the old guard. These people

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Speaker 11: who thought the rules didn't apply to them a lead impunity.

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Speaker 11: They have governed the country in a way that has

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Speaker 11: led the massive income inequality.

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Speaker 5: They watched well pile up. They watched jobs be offshort.

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Speaker 11: They've destroyed the working in middle class, and the first

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Speaker 11: thing the Democratic Party needs.

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Speaker 5: To say is out with the old. We're going to

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Speaker 5: have a new generation of leadership.

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Speaker 4: Could not agree more.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get you to weigh in because I

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Speaker 2: think this is related, and you can tell me if

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Speaker 2: you think this is related. Dan Bongino now has made

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Speaker 2: it official. He is wuty FAI director. He's going to

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Speaker 2: be stepping down at the end of this month. Let's

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Speaker 2: go ahead and play before guys. This is Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: you know, making an official and talking about why Bongino

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Speaker 2: was leaving.

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Speaker 10: Dan did a great job.

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Speaker 5: I think you want to.

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Speaker 6: Go back to a show.

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Speaker 4: Wants to go back to a show.

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Speaker 2: I think he's really right about that, though I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure how much of an audience he has left. I

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Speaker 2: mean he I'm sure you recall after the initial Epstein

879
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Speaker 2: file release fail memo situation, he had this whole angsty

880
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Speaker 2: weekend away and there were rumors he was going to leave.

881
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Speaker 4: At that point.

882
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Speaker 2: He's been kind of sidelined with in the FBI. Now

883
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Speaker 2: making it official that he is going to step down,

884
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Speaker 2: you know, speak to how much the Epstein files are

885
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Speaker 2: involved in his fall from grace with the MAGA movement,

886
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Speaker 2: and also you can zoom out from there. You know

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Speaker 2: how significant has this been a fracture point within MAGA

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Speaker 2: between leaders and the base.

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Speaker 11: It's been the biggest fracture point in the MAGA coalition

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Speaker 11: since Donald Trump walked down the escalator. Let me explain

891
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Speaker 11: why you had Dan Bongino, Cash Mattel, Pam Bondi, JD

892
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Speaker 11: Vans on podcast after padcast saying we want the Epstein

893
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Speaker 11: files released. They thought it was going to be largely

894
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Speaker 11: Democrats implicated, but what they were telling the country is

895
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Speaker 11: that these are there are corrupt and rich, powerful men

896
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Speaker 11: who rape our girls and who pay no content sequences.

897
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Speaker 11: They have corrupted the system and Donald Trump may not

898
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Speaker 11: be a saint, but he's going to expose them. He's

899
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Speaker 11: going to tear these institutions down. And they put their

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Speaker 11: entire credibility on this. In fact, one of the reasons

901
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Speaker 11: that Dan Balngino, who doesn't have any traditional qualification of

902
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Speaker 11: being at the FBI, was picked for the role is

903
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Speaker 11: to have this kind of transparency, and Pambondy cut his

904
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Speaker 11: legs out from under him. Susan Wallace basically admitted it

905
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Speaker 11: that Pam Bondy whiffed, and so Bongino probably feels like

906
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Speaker 11: he has so little credibility left. His whole purpose was

907
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Speaker 11: to expose these kind of files, and the fact that

908
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Speaker 11: he's leaving now it gives me pause about whether we're actually.

909
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Speaker 5: Going to get the full release.

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Speaker 11: And one of the people who will behold in front

911
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Speaker 11: of Congress when we went back to Congress is Dan

912
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Speaker 11: Bongino and before that to get the truth of what's

913
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Speaker 11: in these files.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm personally looking forward to that and so some more.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you very much for joining us, sir,

916
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Speaker 1: We appreciate your time.

917
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks, Happy holidays. So as part of that

918
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Speaker 2: angry manic speech last night, President Trump did also talk

919
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Speaker 2: about what he thinks should happen with healthcare.

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Speaker 4: Let's take allis on the first of.

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Speaker 12: These unprecedented price reductions will be available starting in January

922
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Speaker 12: through a new website trumprx dot gov. And these big

923
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Speaker 12: price cuts will greatly reduce the cost of health care.

924
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Speaker 12: I'm also taking on the gigantic health insurance companies that

925
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Speaker 12: have gotten rich on billions of dollars of money that

926
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Speaker 12: should go directly to the people the money should go

927
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Speaker 12: to the people, that's you, so they can buy their

928
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Speaker 12: own health insurance, which will give far better benefits at

929
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Speaker 12: much lower costs. It will be far better health insurance.

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Speaker 12: The current Unaffordable Care Act was created to make insurance

931
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Speaker 12: companies rich. It was bad health care at much too

932
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Speaker 12: higher cost. And you see that now in the steep

933
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Speaker 12: increase in premiums being demanded by the Democrats. And they

934
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Speaker 12: are demanding those increases, and it's their fault. Is not

935
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Speaker 12: the Republicans fault, it's the Democrat's fault.

936
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Speaker 2: They are demanding those increases after we had our entire

937
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Speaker 2: government shut down around trying to extend the ACA subsidies.

938
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Speaker 2: And this comes as Republicans are really kind of in

939
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Speaker 2: a mess with regard to healthcare. You have some moderates

940
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Speaker 2: who realize these price hikes are going to be a

941
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Speaker 2: major problem. They want to vote for the ACA subsidy extension.

942
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Speaker 2: Hakim Jeffries has been pushing a three year extension. He

943
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Speaker 2: actually succeeded in getting the requisite number of moderate Republicans

944
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Speaker 2: onto that discharge petition to force a vote, so that

945
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Speaker 2: was a significant development. At the same time, you have

946
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Speaker 2: Republicans who are pushing this sort of grab bag of

947
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Speaker 2: really small ball like sort of consensus policies about choice

948
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Speaker 2: plans and some moderate not even like significant pharmacy benefit

949
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Speaker 2: manager reform, but some moderate stuff there, things that you

950
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Speaker 2: know may around the edges make things modestly better, but

951
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Speaker 2: it's not going to be like a significant reduction in

952
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Speaker 2: your premiums or significant game changer anytime soon. Speaker Johnson

953
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Speaker 2: was asked after these or Republicans defected whether he had

954
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Speaker 2: lost control of the House.

955
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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that.

956
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Speaker 3: Not lost control, because they are the hard time.

957
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Speaker 5: There are mechic books.

958
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Speaker 8: We have the smallest majority in US history of TCHECA.

959
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Speaker 1: These are not normal times.

960
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Speaker 8: There are process prossees and procedures in the House that

961
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Speaker 8: are less frequently used when there are larger majorities, and

962
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Speaker 8: when you have the luxury of having ten or fifteen

963
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Speaker 8: people who disagree on.

964
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Speaker 1: Something, you know you don't have to deal with it.

965
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Speaker 8: But when you have a razor thin margin, as we do,

966
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Speaker 8: all as long people don't prom table.

967
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Speaker 2: So he claims he is not in fact lost control

968
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Speaker 2: of the House. Let's gohead and take a listen to

969
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 2: some of these moderate Republican legislators and how pissed they

970
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Speaker 2: are at his handling of healthcare. This is the four

971
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Speaker 2: let's take aism.

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Speaker 13: I am pissed for the American people. This is absolute

973
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Speaker 13: bullshit and it's absurd that we are in a by

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Speaker 13: with four hundred and thirty five members. Everybody has a

975
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Speaker 13: responsibility to serve their district, to serve their constituents.

976
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Speaker 7: How do you say voting districtor he is not going

977
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Speaker 7: to give you a vote on this a seeing extension.

978
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Speaker 5: That's a failure of leadership.

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Speaker 14: I mean we have, you know, members on both sides

980
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Speaker 14: who believe this is an urgent issue and it is

981
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Speaker 14: for all of our members in terms of what their

982
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Speaker 14: constituents are going to have to deal with in the

983
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Speaker 14: start of the new year.

984
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Speaker 1: So what's wrong with having a vote?

985
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Speaker 4: So there you go.

986
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Speaker 2: There they are pissed because Johnson didn't even give them

987
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: the ability to vote on an ACA subsidy extension, which

988
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Speaker 2: is why ultimately they came to Haquem Jeffries' position and

989
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: signed onto this discharge petition, getting it to two hundred

990
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Speaker 2: and eighteen signatures. And listen, not a Hakim Jefferies fan,

991
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Speaker 2: and I think he's played his cards very poorly in

992
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: the past in terms of like being a communicator and

993
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: an order terrible tactically. He played this very intelligently. He

994
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: you know, put this petition forward. There were some other

995
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: rival Democratic positions Josh Gottheimer had one that sucked and

996
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Speaker 2: some other ones, et cetera. And he stayed strong on

997
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: this particular position, betting that other harder line Republicans in

998
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Speaker 2: the House would make it impossible for them to even

999
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: offer them a show vote on these ACA subsidy extension

1000
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Speaker 2: and that those Republicans would ultimately come to his position.

1001
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Speaker 4: That is exactly what happened to.

1002
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and unfortunately Speaker Johnson just some inside baseball here.

1003
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Speaker 3: He canceled votes on Friday and sent everybody home early

1004
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: to kick this healthcare vote two new years.

1005
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Speaker 2: It's also interesting time stat Stine files released that day

1006
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Speaker 2: as well.

1007
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Speaker 4: All times everybody to get out of town.

1008
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Speaker 3: He's like, get everybody the hell out of Washington because

1009
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Speaker 3: they don't want them all on Capitol Hill with cameras

1010
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 3: in their face where they have to react. So a

1011
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: little bit of inside baseball there for everybody. But no,

1012
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Speaker 3: it's a disaster, and I think that's one of the

1013
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: things why Trump announced it in his speech is because

1014
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: it felt very pole test to me. He's like, we

1015
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Speaker 3: have to hit inflation, we have to hit healthcare, we

1016
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 3: have to hit and on healthcare.

1017
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Speaker 1: You know this plan about we're gonna give everybody money.

1018
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: It's like again, I mean between the subsidies or the money,

1019
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: the problem is the cost. Like if it give you

1020
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 3: exactly right, I've said here, my deductible is fourteen thousand,

1021
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: five hundred dollars. The increase in my premium and I

1022
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Speaker 3: have Obamacare is the increase in my premiums is seventeen percent.

1023
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: So if they were to grant this like HSA or whatever,

1024
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: grant to a family, it would cover the increase in healthcare. Like,

1025
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that is just yes, okay, I'll take it.

1026
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Speaker 3: I'm sure everybody else will take it too. That doesn't

1027
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: mean that you've revolutionarily like changed my life, all right,

1028
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: Like I'm not gonna be like, wow, thank you for

1029
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 3: covering the increase in my healthcare premium over a year.

1030
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Speaker 1: That's just me.

1031
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: There's a lot of other people out there too, who

1032
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: I think will probably feel the same way. They're like

1033
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Speaker 3: the government's going to cover one fifth of your deductible,

1034
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 3: you're like, yippie, right, you know, that's just not like

1035
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: and then you know, I was talking to Steve, our

1036
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Speaker 3: audio engineer, today, and he was talking about how even

1037
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Speaker 3: when you do pay one thousand bucks a month for

1038
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Speaker 3: health care, if you have a higher deductible plan like

1039
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: the you avoid going to the doctor just because you're like, ah,

1040
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: who's going to do copays and all of it. That

1041
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: is the fundamental issue. This is all tinkering around the edges.

1042
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: So yes, even with ACA substies, like sorry, it's just

1043
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 3: not you know, the substias themselves were a band aid

1044
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 3: to a broken and a shit system. And until we

1045
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 3: get very real about costs, nothing's really going to be

1046
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 3: nothing's going to change. And what the subsidy conversation I

1047
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 3: think ignited is because that's the thing is like, no

1048
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 3: one wants to defend the subsidies, let's say on paper,

1049
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 3: because everybody agrees it's still an insane system.

1050
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Speaker 1: It's horrible.

1051
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 3: But what the subsidy conversation ignited for everybody is just

1052
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 3: to think about the government and healthcare and about the

1053
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: fact that they can do something. And you know, this

1054
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 3: was a rare case where just doing the status quo

1055
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: was better than letting them expire because now everybody is

1056
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 3: thinking about healthcare in a different way. I think with

1057
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 3: then previously or it's more top of mind. And right

1058
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Speaker 3: now the substies officially, I think today expired, so it's over.

1059
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Speaker 3: You know, we're cooked of those of us who are

1060
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Speaker 3: Obamacare subscribers, but it's not. I mean, look, we're only

1061
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: seven million. There's ten hundreds of millions of people who

1062
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 3: have healthcare. Their premiums went up no matter what happened. Yeah,

1063
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: that's right period. So and again, for most people, because

1064
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Speaker 3: healthcare is so complicated, they don't know whether they're getting

1065
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: a subsidy or not. They're like, my bill went up,

1066
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Speaker 3: screw Trump. That's how they're going to think.

1067
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Speaker 4: Completely.

1068
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Speaker 3: They have no idea whether they get a subsidy or

1069
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 3: not because he there's complicated as shit.

1070
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Speaker 4: That's absolutely right.

1071
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: I've seen all these polls about like in Kentucky the

1072
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Speaker 2: Obamacare exchange, a camera is called it's like Kentucky Care

1073
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: or something like that, and people are, oh, I love that,

1074
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: and then you ask them like, oh, do you like

1075
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: Obamacare and they're like, no, I hate that, and it's

1076
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: like that's it's literally the same thing. And I don't

1077
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Speaker 2: blame it because it is completely I don't understand all

1078
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Speaker 2: of the ins and outs, and you know, I study

1079
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: this for a living. People come from other countries where

1080
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Speaker 2: they have universal healthcare.

1081
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Speaker 4: They're like, what is this? Yes, what is happening here?

1082
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: Conductible?

1083
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 4: What is going on with this?

1084
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

1085
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 4: So, yes, you see your bill go up.

1086
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Speaker 2: You hear a national conversation about how Republicans are blocking

1087
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Speaker 2: these subsidies, and you think, oh, my bill is going

1088
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Speaker 2: up because these assholes aren't like helping to fund the

1089
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Speaker 2: healthcare that they were doing previously. And yes, Republicans really are.

1090
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Speaker 4: In trouble on this issue.

1091
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Speaker 2: Anytime healthcare is at the forefront of the political discussion, yeah.

1092
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Speaker 3: It's it's except when people were mad because their healthcare

1093
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Speaker 3: got man.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and when they could live in the abstract of like,

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Speaker 2: this is bad, we'll do something better.

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Speaker 4: But now, after years and years and.

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Speaker 2: Years of number one people, you know, experiencing some benefits

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Speaker 2: from Obamacare and number two Republicans demonstrating time and time again,

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Speaker 2: they have zero answer, old or alternative that would be

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Speaker 2: in any way superior healthcare is probably their worst, single,

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Speaker 2: worst issue. And so you know, while I have I

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Speaker 2: you know, thought it was terrible that Democrats ultimately caved

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Speaker 2: on their shutdown fight, they did succeed in really focusing

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Speaker 2: attention on this issue which had been on the back

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Speaker 2: burner for a couple of years. Basically since the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty Democratic primary, healthcare has been on the back burner

1107
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Speaker 2: as an issue and not at the center of public conversation,

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Speaker 2: even as the pain continued to ratchet up and increase year.

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Speaker 4: After year after year.

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Speaker 2: We can put this Politico tear sheet up on the

1111
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Speaker 2: screens is CE five to give a sense of you know,

1112
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Speaker 2: They've got some reporting about how the White House is

1113
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Speaker 2: thinking about all of this. They say the White House

1114
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Speaker 2: weighs risks of a healthcare fight as ACAA subsidies set

1115
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Speaker 2: to expire. The White House is wary that the current

1116
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 2: debate around healthcare subsidies could go the way of Republicans'

1117
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 2: failure to repeal Obamacare that fuel Democrats return to power

1118
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Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen. If only it were that simple. The

1119
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Speaker 2: administration is also contending with differing opinions over the political

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Speaker 2: ramifications of the subsidies expiring, the question of whether Trump's

1121
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Speaker 2: engagement might be unproductive on the Hill and the reality

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Speaker 2: that Trump behind the scenes likely knows something must be

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Speaker 2: done to prevent the premium spike some Americans would see

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Speaker 2: as congressional Republicans do count their intra party divisions on

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Speaker 2: how to address the expiration of some affordable care accesses.

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Speaker 2: Administration officials do not believe Trump should engage more than

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00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: he already has. That's because they're fearful of the present

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Speaker 2: getting yoked into a messy healthcare fight. According to people

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Speaker 2: close to the White House and who were familiar with

1130
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 2: healthcare conversations between the White House and the Hill. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean that Trump being such a you know,

1132
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Speaker 2: the leader of this party and a very strong leader

1133
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: of this party, even though he has been hobbled in

1134
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: recent months, the fact that they kind of want to

1135
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: keep him hands off and for him not to just

1136
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 2: assert this is what we're doing and if you don't

1137
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: go along with it, I'm going to make you pay

1138
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 2: for not going along with my plan also leaves them

1139
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: sort of a drift because Mike Johnson is nothing other

1140
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: than effectively a puppet like doing whatever he thinks it

1141
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 2: is that Trump wants him to do. So if he's

1142
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: left to his own devices. That's part of why you're

1143
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: seeing such an absolute mess and a chaotic disaster.

1144
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Speaker 3: Right, Remember the Senate too, even if it does get

1145
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: through the House, Like, what's going to happen with the sentence?

1146
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 3: Trump going to sign it? Right, especially after talking such

1147
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: a big game, How's that going to work? Yeah, so

1148
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I would not if I'm a betting person. Yeah,

1149
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's some calcy polymarket market on that. I

1150
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 3: would never bet on making sure that the premiums or

1151
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 3: are in any way going to come in.

1152
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: The most likely.

1153
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 3: If at all possible scenario will be what I said,

1154
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 3: some weird one thousand dollars means tested check to Obamacare alone,

1155
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 3: which you know does not to the point of hundreds

1156
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: and millions of people out there have insurance. Their insurance

1157
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 3: statistically almost certainly went up in the last year. They

1158
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: have no idea whether it's quote subsidized or not or

1159
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 3: whatever connected to ACA. They're going to see that cost

1160
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 3: and they're going to get mad. So that fundamentally is

1161
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Speaker 3: why they don't understand what's actually happening here. And yeah,

1162
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 3: I mean they should. They should pay for it. Honestly,

1163
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Speaker 3: the way that they've handled. It's just been a total

1164
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 3: disaster because they refuse to like they talk, what did

1165
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: you say, concepts of a plan beforehand, the bet was

1166
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Speaker 3: is that was just never going to have to deal

1167
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Speaker 3: with this.

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Speaker 1: That's what every politician does.

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Speaker 3: But then for some reason they said, let's let the

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Speaker 3: you know, the subsidies expire. So they finally put it

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Speaker 3: back into America's mind. All you had to do was nothing,

1172
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Speaker 3: just let the ACA things go on. But for some

1173
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 3: what ridiculous like deficit hackery type reasons, they decided. And now,

1174
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Speaker 3: just like Obama, anybody who messes with the healthcare system,

1175
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: if you do it in the worst way, you're screwed.

1176
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Speaker 3: Like that's the one thing people just don't want. They

1177
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 3: do not want their healthcare messed with, period unless it's

1178
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: going to get better.

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Speaker 1: And then even then you better prove it.

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Speaker 15: And yeah, I mean, because it's hard to do it

1181
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 15: where it gets better for everyone, and the people who

1182
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 15: have had it, you know, had something where they feel

1183
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 15: like it was taken away from them, they're going to

1184
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 15: be very exercised about it.

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Speaker 4: I mean with Obama at.

1186
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Speaker 2: Least there were people who were immediately benefiting from Obamacare.

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Speaker 4: With this, it's like nothing.

1188
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Speaker 3: But but even so to the Obama point, this is

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Speaker 3: what I want to expound on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a little bit of time.

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Speaker 3: So what the Obamacare was fundamentally kind of a socialist

1192
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Speaker 3: argument where it's like, it's going to cover more people,

1193
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 3: but it's actually not that much better for everyone. It's

1194
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 3: like a socialist policy in practice, as in, yeah, more

1195
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 3: people are covered, is that good. It's like, well, this

1196
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 3: is like healthcare kind of got shittier for everybody. It's

1197
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 3: very difficult to preserve a system of coverage and of

1198
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Speaker 3: high quality. That's the fundamental problem between like market based

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Speaker 3: health care privatized healthcare. Even in Europe and in others,

1200
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Speaker 3: you know, they have triage care.

1201
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Speaker 5: Let's say.

1202
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Speaker 3: Now, listen, I'm not going to say that that's better

1203
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 3: or worse. It's a trade off. A lot of people

1204
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Speaker 3: over there have accepted US America is a very individualist nation.

1205
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Speaker 3: Even when you do look at polls, people are very

1206
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 3: dissatisfied with the healthcare system, but they personally like their

1207
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 3: own health care coverage.

1208
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Speaker 1: This was the problem with Obamacare.

1209
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Speaker 3: That's part of the reason why public option or something

1210
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 3: like that, or you've got to find a place where

1211
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 3: people can preserve their individuality, their ability to choose, et cetera,

1212
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 3: while also trying to make sure that people are.

1213
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Speaker 1: Not dying from medical debt.

1214
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Speaker 3: This is the you know, the Gordian not that, which

1215
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 3: is almost like, you know, for some reason and just

1216
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 3: nobody can really figure it out. And I do think

1217
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 3: it's going to be really difficult for the Republicans in

1218
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: the future because they're gonna grasp its straws and they're

1219
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 3: gonna just throw more money into this corrupt system. Like fundamentally,

1220
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 3: that's where I think we're gonna end up some weird

1221
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 3: check or something that gets deposited into some account where

1222
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 3: you don't know the login and you're gonna have to

1223
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 3: coordinate with your insurance company. I mean, that's how it

1224
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 3: always works, right, even with Obama. I've signing up for

1225
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: this is a nightmare. You have to go on there

1226
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 3: and pick coverage or whatever. Oh, now you have to

1227
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 3: deal with the insurance company. Unfortunately, not like what's going on.

1228
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 2: Like do I still have coverage? Like what's going on here?

1229
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 3: I've got like three different cards in the mail. It's

1230
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 3: just too much. Uh, And yeah, I mean I think

1231
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 3: that's just the fundamental political problem with healthcare, and nobody

1232
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 3: seems to square it.

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Speaker 5: Don't I don't know.