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Speaker 1: Yes, Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Curb Podcast.
Speaker 2: I am enthusiasman. Who are you the guy up on
Speaker 2: the right hand corner? Are you Jeff Garland?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm Jeff Garland, one of America's top teens.
Speaker 1: And we have a special guest with us today.
Speaker 2: Jeff one of our favorite both of us Jack, it's.
Speaker 3: Richard kind Rich America's top Latin crooner.
Speaker 1: Now, we have both known Richard for a very long time.
Speaker 1: I've known Richard I think since nineteen eighty.
Speaker 3: Oh that's longer than me, that is correct, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: We took an acting class together in nineteen eighty down
Speaker 1: in the East sixteenth.
Speaker 3: I think for Richard and I it was either eighty
Speaker 3: four or eighty five when I met Richard.
Speaker 2: Susie. What was the name of the theater? I don't remember.
Speaker 2: It was in a church. Was it Portobello? Yes, it
Speaker 2: was Portobello. Thank you. You're very good. All right, Oh,
Speaker 2: I will be able to remember nothing else.
Speaker 1: Well, Richard, Now we all know you kurb fans know
Speaker 1: that Richard plays cousin Andy, Larry's cousin Andy.
Speaker 2: How did you get this part? Richard?
Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you a story that Jeff will
Speaker 4: say it's not true.
Speaker 3: I am rep I am right yet not. Your memory
Speaker 3: of things is shit, it is. I know exactly how
Speaker 3: you got it.
Speaker 2: Remember porta Bellow Theater. I can I remember?
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, here's my story, Susie, I'm gonna go first.
Speaker 4: All right, Okay, they were casting cousin Andy. Jeff, being
Speaker 4: one of my dearest friends, said, let's use Richard kai. Larry,
Speaker 4: in his incorrect ways, said no, he's too famous. Ah,
Speaker 4: people will know that it's Richard Kind, too famous. Whenever
Speaker 4: a famous person was on the show at that time,
Speaker 4: they played themselves with the exception. Who was the exception?
Speaker 4: Sheeene Easton ed Asner, And he didn't want character because
Speaker 4: Ed passes away in the episode. He didn't want people
Speaker 4: to think that a asthra died. So he says, Richard
Speaker 4: Kind is too well known. He can't do the role.
Speaker 4: I say, you go back and a shore. Larry, I
Speaker 4: am not too well known. Nobody knows my day, No, no,
Speaker 4: my fath.
Speaker 2: This is two thousand and three around.
Speaker 4: I think I can't remember that, but that's what he said.
Speaker 4: And they auditioned some people, and then they finally decided,
Speaker 4: probably through jeff insistence, let's use Richard Kind.
Speaker 2: And I worked out just Bob, let's hear your side. Jeff.
Speaker 3: Richard began correctly. I said, you know who's perfect for
Speaker 3: this part, Richard Kind. Larry didn't say he's too famous,
Speaker 3: because you weren't that famous. Then what he said was
Speaker 3: too on the money, and I said, you're crazy. He said, no,
Speaker 3: it's still on the money. We looked at at least
Speaker 3: a half dozen to a dozen other actors, and Larry went, okay,
Speaker 3: Richard Kind, because Richard was perfect, clearly, and what I
Speaker 3: was saying. I want to say one other thing that's
Speaker 3: not true about ed Asner. Why would ed Asner play
Speaker 3: the father of a deli guy who used to be
Speaker 3: a writer. No, Ann Asner was signed up to be
Speaker 3: that character. He wasn't worried about people thinking that ed
Speaker 3: Asner died.
Speaker 4: I didn't say, ed Asner, oh you're saying Larry wasn't
Speaker 4: okay when.
Speaker 1: You cast correctly, It's as though you couldn't even think
Speaker 1: of anybody else playing cousin Andy.
Speaker 2: You know, it's Richard kind his cousin Andy.
Speaker 3: This is no quivoctly from the get go this episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, And this is the first cousin Andy episode correct, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 3: Yes, No, it is. I actually asked him earlier. And
Speaker 3: it is the first cousin Andy and the first scene
Speaker 3: I'll talk about when we get there.
Speaker 1: So, Richard, what we do is we go through the
Speaker 1: episode scene by scene. So this is this is season three,
Speaker 1: episode six, the special section. And we started off in
Speaker 1: New York and Jeff, you know this, Nothing is funnier
Speaker 1: than Larry in a wig.
Speaker 3: L visual Larry, Larry just created as another playing a character,
Speaker 3: which he's done two or three times in the show. Hilarious,
Speaker 3: hilarioways just visually let alone between him making character choices
Speaker 3: that are really broad. Awesome, awesome.
Speaker 1: So we start off with Larry in a wig playing
Speaker 1: a mobster up on a roof in a Marty Scorsese movie.
Speaker 1: And he's got the mustache and he's.
Speaker 2: Being a tough guy. You're sorry. I'm sorry. He's hilarious.
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: You could see how much he's enjoying.
Speaker 3: But the thing he did that was really hilarious was
Speaker 3: when he took the money and started slapping on them
Speaker 3: in the face with the money. You want the money?
Speaker 3: Is that what you want? You want money? You're fucking idiots.
Speaker 3: Take the money.
Speaker 4: Heah, good guy, it's like the fucking money, you're fucking idiots.
Speaker 4: Take it, take it.
Speaker 3: Take the fucking money in that when you want to
Speaker 3: take the fucking come here, fucking cups.
Speaker 1: Cut and you could see how much fun he's having
Speaker 1: knowing him as you.
Speaker 3: Don't no, no, he loved that. He loved that, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Scorsese comes in, which is like a nice surprise that
Speaker 1: you see that it's a Marty Scorsese movie, and you
Speaker 1: know he wants more of a threat of violence. Of course,
Speaker 1: Larry needs more money.
Speaker 3: Well, by the way, the idea said, and you know
Speaker 3: it was improvised. Now, I don't have enough money. I
Speaker 3: need more money.
Speaker 1: Need more money, need more money. And he wants to
Speaker 1: take out Gino's balls. I mean, the whole thing is
Speaker 1: so bizarre.
Speaker 3: The discussion of the balls in the bag and Scorsese
Speaker 3: saying it won't read, it won't read, and the idea
Speaker 3: he has the balls in his pocket, which Larry made up.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like wow, and Scorsese wonderful improviser, wonderful.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, well and he does we know that
Speaker 1: he does do improv when he's directing, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: And also the only reason we got him was he
Speaker 3: digs the show. Yeah, if someone doesn't dig the show,
Speaker 3: like I remember Diane Keaton, we talked about this early
Speaker 3: on when we asked her to be on the show.
Speaker 3: She wasn't familiar with the show, so she allowed us
Speaker 3: to use her voice and an actor's legs.
Speaker 1: But that was season one, so she would yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. This is already season three, so people are
Speaker 1: more familiar. So Cheryl then can't tell if Marty likes
Speaker 1: it or not. And Larry says to Cheryl, did my
Speaker 1: father call my mother's sick?
Speaker 3: He should have got They get one more thing and yeah,
Speaker 3: when Larry's talking to Cheryl, he's dissatisfied with Martin Scorsese
Speaker 3: and the way he's directing the scene that alone is
Speaker 3: wow awesome.
Speaker 2: So we get the information that his mother is sick.
Speaker 1: Yes, And they fly back to la and Larry wants
Speaker 1: to stop at his father's house because it's weird that
Speaker 1: his father hasn't called, and they go to his father, Nat,
Speaker 1: who was played by Shelley Berman. For the first time
Speaker 1: we see Nat, Larry's father's it.
Speaker 2: Yes. Wow, Yeah. Tell me, Jeff, how did Shelley get
Speaker 2: this part? Let's talk about Shelley for me.
Speaker 3: Shelley came in.
Speaker 1: Tell people Shelley is because a lot of our listeners
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: Shelley Berman in his heyday, was the most popular comedian
Speaker 3: in the United States of America.
Speaker 2: Best selling album right well, I.
Speaker 3: Think he's the first comedian to my knowledge to win
Speaker 3: a Grammy for Best Comedy.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, and his famous stories about Shelley how he
Speaker 1: sabotaged his career and he was a very big What
Speaker 1: are we talking about the sixties?
Speaker 3: Yeah, sixties for sure, although later on the last time
Speaker 3: I saw him, like really do something before kerb was
Speaker 3: on the Mary Tyler War Show. He guessed it on
Speaker 3: the Marry Tiling War Show. And he was great and
Speaker 3: he always wore a toupey Well, I don't know about it.
Speaker 3: In the early sixties, but I got to know him
Speaker 3: very well, became very close with him, and he revealed
Speaker 3: a lot of things about all the stories of his past.
Speaker 3: But he was so into wearing his two pay and
Speaker 3: this is a key thing to talk about with the show.
Speaker 3: He said that when the landscaper knocks at the door,
Speaker 3: he would put his two pay on the garbage man.
Speaker 3: Didn't matter. Yet he auditioned amongst a lot of heroes
Speaker 3: of mine, great, great, great great comedians.
Speaker 2: Can you name any names?
Speaker 3: No, because he didn't get the part. Why would I?
Speaker 1: Did he get the part because Shelley was the perfect guy,
Speaker 1: not because it was anything wrong with them.
Speaker 2: Shelley was so perfect. Is Larry's father?
Speaker 3: No, my lips are sealed on all of that shit. No, Now,
Speaker 3: if I may so, Shelley was right away. He just
Speaker 3: was it. He got it.
Speaker 2: And there's also a physical resemblance. There's something physically.
Speaker 3: Sense. It makes sense. So Larry took him aside. I
Speaker 3: watched him take him like in the hallway or right
Speaker 3: by the door, and he said, I want you to
Speaker 3: do this, but you need to take off the two pay.
Speaker 3: You have to be bald. Oh. And in the moment,
Speaker 3: Shelley said I'll think about it. So he thought about
Speaker 3: it for like a day or so because Larry said,
Speaker 3: don't take too long, and he said, okay. And I
Speaker 3: never heard him complain on the set about being bald,
Speaker 3: you know. But yet when I go to lunch with
Speaker 3: him to pay back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it was very important for the character
Speaker 1: not to have it to pay unless it became a
Speaker 1: storyline issue.
Speaker 3: Right. The only storyline is in the next episode with
Speaker 3: the corpse sniffing dog where Toupey comes into play.
Speaker 1: Right, right, Okay, So we come in and we meet
Speaker 1: Shelley for the first time, Nat his father Nat, and
Speaker 1: Larry's like, how come you didn't call me back? And
Speaker 1: Shelley's I've been busy, and Larry, you seem jumpy, and
Speaker 1: Larry's like, where's mom? And Shelley goes into whole machinations.
Speaker 1: We had to bring it back to the hospital. She
Speaker 1: didn't want to bother you. That's my favorite. I want
Speaker 1: to want to bother you. We don't know yet that
Speaker 1: she's dead.
Speaker 3: Right, and then Richard comes in right after that announcement,
Speaker 3: and Larry's obviously upset. Here's my opinion on this. This
Speaker 3: is one of the greatest, if not the greatest scenes
Speaker 3: that has ever been filmed on curby your enthusiasm, because
Speaker 3: Larry is actually doing something unusual. He's supporting other people
Speaker 3: being funny. Not that he's not a supportive actor, but
Speaker 3: he's giving the softballs, if you will, although they were hardballs,
Speaker 3: because these guys are genius to Shelley Berman and Richard Kind,
Speaker 3: who are amazing in the scene. Because Shelley, the nuance
Speaker 3: of the performance of avoiding telling Larry that his mother's
Speaker 3: dead remarkable.
Speaker 1: And the reason why he didn't want to tell Larry
Speaker 1: that his mother's dead is because his mother said, don't
Speaker 1: bother Larry, which as a storyline is hilarious, very funny, hilarious.
Speaker 3: But Richard wanted to say something.
Speaker 2: I want to say something that will shock you.
Speaker 4: When I heard the storyline, I just said, this is
Speaker 4: a false truth. That his father wouldn't have called him
Speaker 4: to tell him that his mother died and he doesn't
Speaker 4: tell him.
Speaker 2: It didn't sit right with me. I know that that's
Speaker 2: just it's stupid. That's just a dumb thing.
Speaker 4: Over the years, I have been proven as wrong, as wrong,
Speaker 4: as wrong by the way.
Speaker 3: You were reading it. Okay, well you know yes, and
Speaker 3: you didn't know the nuance of Shelley Berman's performance because
Speaker 3: he made that believablebelievable.
Speaker 4: There's brilliance in his performance as not just in that scene.
Speaker 1: Well, he says, so after a day or two, no
Speaker 1: one goes on forever, he said. And then finally Larry says,
Speaker 1: is she dead?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I know she dead.
Speaker 1: And then she says, she didn't want me to bother you, right,
Speaker 1: but the funeral was on Monday.
Speaker 3: She said, No matter what happens to me, don't bother Larry.
Speaker 1: Let him enjoy New York and then enter cousin Andy.
Speaker 1: And this thing that you go through with him is
Speaker 1: another brilliant piece of improv.
Speaker 3: No, Larry supported Richard and Shelley, like I think that
Speaker 3: he's never He's not against other people being funny. He
Speaker 3: lets me be funny, lets you be funny, and he
Speaker 3: supports it. But I'm talking about his reaction in that
Speaker 3: was pipe meaning he had to say what was going on,
Speaker 3: He had to support the Only time there's real comedy
Speaker 3: in that is the argument with Richard, and Richard says
Speaker 3: the funniest line. There's two genius lines, and I'll get
Speaker 3: to it in the future at that Richard Kind has
Speaker 3: said on the show, and in this one he enters
Speaker 3: and then he finds out that Larry knows, and he said,
Speaker 3: he you in New York. You missed a good one.
Speaker 3: This was really a nice, nice Well, I'm sorry I
Speaker 3: missed it.
Speaker 1: Perhaps had I been informed, I may have been able
Speaker 1: to attend my mother's funeral.
Speaker 4: It was beautiful, very well attended.
Speaker 2: You missed a good one, and you missed a good one.
Speaker 2: How about the line you would have thorn? The rabbi
Speaker 2: knew her?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, rabbi knew her. And the rabbi spoke beautifully.
Speaker 3: But I know, so he's supporting how wonderful the funeral was.
Speaker 3: Larry wasn't there.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back, stay tuned, Okay, we're back.
Speaker 3: A lot of times i'll watch from video village, but
Speaker 3: sometimes I want to be close to the action. So
Speaker 3: I was hiding maybe four feet six feet away when
Speaker 3: they were filming this scene. So I watched this whole
Speaker 3: thing and I was just in awe. I was a fan.
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe how wonderful it is. And may I
Speaker 3: also say Shelley Berman one of the first and Richard
Speaker 3: Kind not one of the first but one of the
Speaker 3: many wonderful actors at Second City in Chicago. So you're
Speaker 3: seeing these two improv masters, ye, truly masters doing their thing,
Speaker 3: and Larry David is so supportive of this. It's a
Speaker 3: thing of beauty and it's one of my favorite all
Speaker 3: time scenes.
Speaker 1: And let me ask you this, Richard, the whole run
Speaker 1: that you have with Larry to come to town and.
Speaker 3: Give me a call, just see you. There's no point.
Speaker 3: I don't want to see you, don't What is the
Speaker 3: matter with you?
Speaker 1: People related to each other, to people to cuss and
Speaker 1: you're arguing this way.
Speaker 3: Okay, forget I'm sorry I didn't call you. I'm sorry, Donato.
Speaker 3: Would have been nice to hear your voice.
Speaker 2: Was that you or was that in the outline?
Speaker 4: In the script script.
Speaker 3: However, Richard sang the line your call, well, I wasn't
Speaker 3: gonna see you, and then Richard says, I didn't want
Speaker 3: to see you, but you call. That was awesome.
Speaker 4: If I can remember this, the smallest, smallest thing in
Speaker 4: the world.
Speaker 3: It's funny.
Speaker 4: God, it takes twenty one years ago. It's amazing. During
Speaker 4: my appearances on Curb, I'll use my daughter's day or there.
Speaker 4: I think I said. Aunt Lolly was there. She's still beautiful.
Speaker 4: She looks like Audrey Heppard. Aunt Chan, you said, Okay,
Speaker 4: aunt Lolly is the name I said during one of
Speaker 4: the takes, ok And Larry says, no.
Speaker 2: Aunt Lolly, and I go, why not?
Speaker 4: Aunt Lody goes, I have an aunt Lolly, so I'm
Speaker 4: not rid of aunt Lolly, and I used aunt Zan.
Speaker 4: I also have an ant ja Zan. That's lod. That's
Speaker 4: my own system.
Speaker 3: But the idea that you're disappointed in him because if
Speaker 3: he went to he wasn't gonna call his aunt chan
Speaker 3: and you were terribly the insult.
Speaker 2: And now it's also this is twenty three years ago.
Speaker 4: Remember at the time we didn't have cell phones, right,
Speaker 4: but they were just starting. You could call it anywhere
Speaker 4: in the country, right, and not the charge that was
Speaker 4: around the time where you didn't get long distance charges.
Speaker 4: But we all used to live by. You don't make
Speaker 4: long distance calls. That was a big deal. Long distance.
Speaker 4: A long distance call cost money, so you call when
Speaker 4: you come to town.
Speaker 3: I love Larry's argument. I could call you from Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: That's a call.
Speaker 4: It's different, but it's different.
Speaker 1: I agree with Andy on this call. Then Nat shows
Speaker 1: Larry the guest book and Andy says, people were saying,
Speaker 1: where's Larry, where's Larry heading to injury?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no, they didn't say where's Larry?
Speaker 3: And that was the out, so a lot of nice ones,
Speaker 3: nice ones. And then the out of the scene, which
Speaker 3: was perfect. Put a button on it was where's Larry?
Speaker 3: And when he read the where's Larry he read it
Speaker 3: out loud. He turned to the two of them and
Speaker 3: we cut because that was a perfect out.
Speaker 2: Was that it for you in this episode? Richard?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Later, Okay, I watched too many in a row.
Speaker 1: So then we go to Larry's home with Cheryl and
Speaker 1: she's telling him this one called Michael Adler called your
Speaker 1: suit is ready for Julie blumspot Mitzvah And Larry's like,
Speaker 1: is there anything more brutal than about Mitzvah? And I
Speaker 1: thank Jeff for not inviting me to his son's spot Mitzvah's.
Speaker 3: Well, by the way, Larry was so happy with me
Speaker 3: that both my boys bar Mitzvahs he was not invited to.
Speaker 3: And I made a point of telling him, bar Mitzvah coming,
Speaker 3: You're not invited and he was so happy and relieved
Speaker 3: because he would have felt he had to come and
Speaker 3: when I gave him that, Because if you love somebody
Speaker 3: and you know what they're about, you don't just stand
Speaker 3: on ceremony. And I knew he hated.
Speaker 1: So Cheryl is telling him cancel the dinner with the Mandels.
Speaker 1: Cheryl calls to cancel, and she uses the excuse that
Speaker 1: Larry's mother died, and Larry suddenly this is a great idea.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, this is a great idea. Hold on, hold
Speaker 3: on one second. Here there was one with so and
Speaker 3: so well before he finds it out and they're discussing.
Speaker 3: He's talking about a lunch that someone calls him for.
Speaker 2: Michael Adler.
Speaker 3: Michael Leadler. I don't know if that's a Larry friend
Speaker 3: or not an amy us.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of Botore.
Speaker 3: I know what this is based on. There was a
Speaker 3: comedian that never spent time with Larry in New York,
Speaker 3: never spent time with him in LA and started calling
Speaker 3: him for lunch a lot, a lot. So that's where
Speaker 3: he put it. I won't say the comedian is and
Speaker 3: he never had lunch with him, but he Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I'll get less Susie.
Speaker 2: No, yes, it's on my after list.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're after list, So Larry, this is a great idea.
Speaker 1: Now I will admit having dead parents. I used it.
Speaker 1: I milked it. I did everything I could to use
Speaker 1: that excuse, and I feel no guilt about it.
Speaker 3: By the way, my parents dying loved it.
Speaker 1: Loved it because you could get out of anything, anything.
Speaker 3: It was the only good thing about my parents dying. Literally,
Speaker 3: the only one was getting out of stuff.
Speaker 4: Okay, I've never used it, but when I was in
Speaker 4: fourth and fifth grade, I didn't do the homework my
Speaker 4: grandmother died.
Speaker 1: But I also don't like to say it unless it's true,
Speaker 1: because then it's a kid classic.
Speaker 3: That's a classic.
Speaker 1: No use.
Speaker 3: But hold on, he's a kid, and that's really the
Speaker 3: dog ate my homework as the cliche. But my grandma died.
Speaker 3: All little kids used it. I used it a few times.
Speaker 1: He gets out of the bot mitzvah, he gets out
Speaker 1: of lunch, he gets out of dinner with the Mandels,
Speaker 1: and then he's with Richard Lewis at the valet, and
Speaker 1: you could see Richard is nonplus when he says, how
Speaker 1: did you get the part? Because he feels like he's
Speaker 1: the actor.
Speaker 2: He's that way thoughts.
Speaker 3: What I wrote down was that they didn't take it further.
Speaker 3: And I don't remember if in the takes when we
Speaker 3: were shooting it, if Larry had questions about him not
Speaker 3: being happy for him, But it was clear. It was
Speaker 3: clear for yes, And I know somebody who does that
Speaker 3: who might be on this zoom.
Speaker 2: Not me.
Speaker 3: You bet you do it, you piece of shit. By
Speaker 3: the way, me, no, no, no, you In the moment.
Speaker 2: Richard kind you're talking about.
Speaker 3: We're always happy for one another. But early on, if
Speaker 3: I got something that you felt you could have done
Speaker 3: a better job or you were right for, you could
Speaker 3: not hold your envy. And by the way, once it
Speaker 3: came out later, you were very supportive because you love me.
Speaker 3: But right away, look he still loves Richard Lewis. And
Speaker 3: by the way, I guarantee that would have happened in
Speaker 3: real life if Larry did a scourse money. So I'm
Speaker 3: saying about you, Richard, is not mean thing. It's just
Speaker 3: a thing. Friends have those moments.
Speaker 1: So Richard then informs Larry that he's starting to meditate,
Speaker 1: and Larry says, you got to get a mantra. Larry
Speaker 1: used to do it, you know, give yourself your own mantra.
Speaker 1: Larry suggests that Richard does lonely, lonely, lonely, and then
Speaker 1: Larry says he'll give Richard his mantra.
Speaker 3: What is your mantra?
Speaker 2: Okay, I Sally, are you taking a backage telling you?
Speaker 5: Oh shih yah, yeah, what does it mean?
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but you keep repeating it over.
Speaker 3: And by the way. That is based on what they
Speaker 3: were talking about as TM and I thought that did
Speaker 3: this come from me? Because I do trans and double meditation,
Speaker 3: And I thought did this come for me? And no,
Speaker 3: it was before I started doing it as my dad
Speaker 3: was dying. I learned it to relax. And also it
Speaker 3: changes everything in the world around you, your viewpoint. And
Speaker 3: one of the rules of translimitations you never tell anybody
Speaker 3: your mantra. Your mantra is super secret. Even though people
Speaker 3: have similar mantras or the same mantras.
Speaker 1: Might the same one. It's a secret. Nobody knows that
Speaker 1: might give one mantra.
Speaker 3: No, I know the mantras and it's not everyone doesn't
Speaker 3: have the same one.
Speaker 2: So zah yah.
Speaker 1: He gives it to Richard and then he sees this
Speaker 1: guy Mandel coming over, he doesn't want to do a
Speaker 1: stop and chat, and Richard in a passive aggressive move
Speaker 1: or maybe an aggressive aggressive leave so that Larry gets stuck.
Speaker 2: For Larry and he knows exactly.
Speaker 3: And he's happy and that's what good friends.
Speaker 2: Do, and thank you, boring, boring.
Speaker 1: He just starts carrying on in some boring conversation, which
Speaker 1: Larry don stops him and just says.
Speaker 2: My mother just died.
Speaker 1: I really have to just focus on myself and he
Speaker 1: gets out of the conversation.
Speaker 3: And by the way, that was Harry Murphy, an actor
Speaker 3: I got in the show Second City. Whoa I want
Speaker 3: credit for how many Second City had I hire? Because
Speaker 3: I had a pretty miserable time at Second City, not
Speaker 3: when Richard was there. That was my golden time. You
Speaker 3: know why I worked in the box office, and you
Speaker 3: know why everyone on the main stage who I loved.
Speaker 3: They embraced me and they let me improvise with them,
Speaker 3: which was something only people who were in the companies
Speaker 3: could do because there was travel companies a second company,
Speaker 3: but Richard's company would invite me. They saw something in
Speaker 3: me kid and wanted to be on stage working in
Speaker 3: the box office. They saw something in me and they
Speaker 3: let me improvise with them, which I'll never forget and.
Speaker 1: Is so so, Jeff, I'm giving you. I'm officially giving
Speaker 1: you credit. I am giving you credit.
Speaker 3: For the Second City stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm giving you credit. I will also Stid. There
Speaker 2: was soup a plenty.
Speaker 3: Are you talking about when Dan Castle and I would
Speaker 3: watch you it's soup?
Speaker 2: Well we would go out of that soup.
Speaker 3: No, we go to a place called this is this
Speaker 3: is really cool? So a lot of nights. Richard my Elf,
Speaker 3: Dan Caslenetta, the voice of Homer Simpson, a brilliant improviser
Speaker 3: by the way, who influenced me and I learned he
Speaker 3: and Mike Caggarty are the two guys that I learned
Speaker 3: the most from.
Speaker 1: And Mike Cagarty can I just say played in the
Speaker 1: Double amco at.
Speaker 3: Which I already did.
Speaker 1: We already did, so I just want to give the
Speaker 1: reference right.
Speaker 3: And what I learned from him was being succinct, like
Speaker 3: he would come in, say the thing, get his laugh,
Speaker 3: and either get off or stay out and be quiet.
Speaker 3: That's what I felt he would do, because everything out
Speaker 3: of his mouth was perfect for the moment and funny. Anyhow,
Speaker 3: sidebar may be interesting.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 3: So Richard, myself and Dan Castlenetta would go to this
Speaker 3: place called Jeff's Laughing, which I love for the name,
Speaker 3: in the Lincoln Hotel down the street from Second City.
Speaker 3: We go eat, we go to the Belden Deli sometimes
Speaker 3: with more people sidebar. And by the way, the Beldon
Speaker 3: Deli was the first place where John Belushi realized how
Speaker 3: famous he was, because he went in there and people
Speaker 3: went crazy. This is early on, and he said to
Speaker 3: whoever he was with, I can't even go to the
Speaker 3: Beldon Delli, which is kind of an amazing story, all right, anyhow.
Speaker 1: Okay, so now wait, wait, all righty.
Speaker 3: Well, what a lame story if it ends all right?
Speaker 3: Although the blueshy thing's interesting. So Dan and I would
Speaker 3: sit on the same side, Richard the other. Richard always
Speaker 3: ordered soup, Dan and I a sandwich, what have you.
Speaker 3: And there were periods where Dan and I sat quiet
Speaker 3: and just watch Richard eat soup. And I thought, you know,
Speaker 3: you always say, like Sean Penn, you could watch him
Speaker 3: read the phone book and he'd be great. Well, when
Speaker 3: Richard eats soup, he was kind of obvious. Who's more interesting?
Speaker 3: Like we would sit until Richard noticed.
Speaker 2: Look at him drinking out of a can of water.
Speaker 2: Right now, I.
Speaker 3: Know, but Richard was so involved with a soup he
Speaker 3: could go thirty seconds without noticing. And Dan and I
Speaker 3: truly found it fascinating watch Rick Sherdy soup slowly eating
Speaker 3: his soup having no idea. We were staring at him. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's it, long way to go.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back. Stay tuned, and we're back.
Speaker 1: So now we cut to Larry is at the cemetery
Speaker 1: looking for the headstone of his mother and he asks
Speaker 1: the grave digger, and the grave digger says, oh, she's
Speaker 1: not here. She was moved to a special section. So
Speaker 1: he's confused, what does that mean? A special section? Next
Speaker 1: we know he is talking to the head of the
Speaker 1: Mountain View Cemetory, George Coole.
Speaker 3: George Cole, by the way, is somebody I was so
Speaker 3: proud and happy to work with because he did comedy.
Speaker 3: He actually, if I'm not mistaken, was either part of
Speaker 3: the cast or hosted you right.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, the first season.
Speaker 3: He was in movies Wonderful Terror director Great Cary, and
Speaker 3: he was in Yeah. I mean, he could do anything,
Speaker 3: and he was somebody I greatly admired, which was the
Speaker 3: joy of curb your enthusiasm. I'd work with people or
Speaker 3: be around people that I admired. So so watching him
Speaker 3: in action, and he's great in this scene with Larry.
Speaker 3: Tattoo on the right buttock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, first he says, you know, the special section
Speaker 1: is reserved for villains, suicides, gentiles, and mixed marriages.
Speaker 2: And then he tells her.
Speaker 5: When the shamish examined her, he found that she had
Speaker 5: a tattoo on the Yes, on my mother had a tattoo, Yes, sir,
Speaker 5: it's on the on the on the right cheek of
Speaker 5: her right buttock, if you will. My mother had a
Speaker 5: tattoo on her on her right buttock, yes, sir.
Speaker 1: And according to Leviticus, that's an offense and it disqualifies
Speaker 1: her from burial.
Speaker 2: In consecrated ground.
Speaker 1: So Larry wants to rectify this, and the George Cole
Speaker 1: character the law is the law. And then later on
Speaker 1: Larry is with Nat and you Richard Andy, and.
Speaker 2: She'd be sick to her stomach if she knew this.
Speaker 1: He's very upset, and Nat explains they were just married.
Speaker 2: They're walking down the boardwalk. They got a tattoo. Cheryl
Speaker 2: then brings in wait.
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, wait, wait wait. Before that, Richard says something
Speaker 3: about you don't want to hear your parents making love
Speaker 3: or I don't know how that came up. And then
Speaker 3: Larry's response was I can't imagine you making love to Richard.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a hilarious exchange, okay.
Speaker 1: And then Cheryl brings in crude quae and crude, and
Speaker 1: Andy says.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, thank you so much for dinner.
Speaker 2: Turkey.
Speaker 3: Now I had turkey for lunch.
Speaker 5: Oh well, tright, okayka, check on that.
Speaker 3: I'll take whatever you have.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I had turkey for lunch.
Speaker 1: You know I would have smacked you get away.
Speaker 3: What's amazing this being the first episode that is so
Speaker 3: the character now Richard Randy, Yes, but Richard, I knew
Speaker 3: what this guy was right away, right away. That's what
Speaker 3: was amazing. You missed a good one. The way he
Speaker 3: walked in the way he stood there. That's why Larry said,
Speaker 3: he's right on these two right. He was perfect and
Speaker 3: under from the get go. And him with the turkey
Speaker 3: and I had turkey for lunch.
Speaker 1: And then they fight over Chinese food in La You know,
Speaker 1: that's a whole other thing.
Speaker 4: If you want to know the stuff I'd get to
Speaker 4: stopped for because of kurb Turkey for lunch Andris.
Speaker 1: Chrispy Onions, which is in the Black Swan episode, which
Speaker 1: is a great episode.
Speaker 3: But by the way, this is what I love about
Speaker 3: the earli yeers. We would have scenes that were loaded
Speaker 3: with minutia and the idea that they're arguing about New
Speaker 3: York La Chinese because everyone knows in l it can't
Speaker 3: compare with New York and in LA. I'm not even exaggerating,
Speaker 3: they're really only great Chinese restaurants are in fact in Chinatown.
Speaker 3: So the argument's always about pizza and Chinese in terms
Speaker 3: of New York LA and Larry's like in all the
Speaker 3: whole country, they wouldn't send one good Chinese food chef
Speaker 3: to LA. That it's all in New York. That's where
Speaker 3: they went with the Chinese food. But that's especially Jews.
Speaker 3: Sunday night was always a big Chinese food night, and
Speaker 3: also Christmas Eve or see Christmas Day, Jews went to
Speaker 3: Chinese food and still do I think in a movie
Speaker 3: that was the big thing to do on Christmas for Jews.
Speaker 3: But people in La are always frustrated that there's not
Speaker 3: a great Chinese place near them in any area of
Speaker 3: La So I love the minutia of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Larry calls him over and he says
Speaker 1: he wants to move the body and he's going to
Speaker 1: pay off.
Speaker 2: The Can I do things? Ye ahead, I'm known for
Speaker 2: being a giggler.
Speaker 4: I break, and I was surprised, and a lot of
Speaker 4: the stuff that I didn't break at with the first scene,
Speaker 4: and that your mother died with the turkey line I
Speaker 4: had turkey today. I astounded that I got through it.
Speaker 4: And if it hadn't been the first episode, I probably
Speaker 4: would not have been able to get through it. And
Speaker 4: then when I became comfortable doing the show, when we
Speaker 4: did the Black Swan, Larry of course breaks all the.
Speaker 2: Time, right, he breaks all the time.
Speaker 4: Now I'm saying he breaks all the time, which sort
Speaker 4: of gives me a permission to break when I break.
Speaker 4: When we did the lineup on that, I know I'm
Speaker 4: boring to another episode, but when we did the lineup,
Speaker 4: we were dying, Okay, all four of us were dying
Speaker 4: pretty soon.
Speaker 7: Jeff and Bob would not laugh, but Larry and I
Speaker 7: would crack and for a while, Larry did not crack,
Speaker 7: and I kept cracking, and it would Hilarry look over
Speaker 7: and like all right, enough is enough, like stop but already,
Speaker 7: and it's like for me to get Larry, I agree
Speaker 7: about somebody breaking.
Speaker 3: To my memory, yes, that's the only time I ever
Speaker 3: remember him getting upset with another actor breaking. I don't
Speaker 3: recall that, but I want to say.
Speaker 1: I do it with him all the time where I'm
Speaker 1: just like stop, well no, no, no, we do it
Speaker 1: to hit, but he never gets agreed at somebody else.
Speaker 4: He killed me.
Speaker 2: That guy killed me.
Speaker 4: All I saw was the Stuye Hawak from bridge on
Speaker 4: the River Kwai and it just killed me.
Speaker 2: I mister, you're talking about you know what? How about Richard.
Speaker 1: We'll have you back when we do that episode and
Speaker 1: we'll discuss that again.
Speaker 2: I think I'm busy.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, but Larry might want to do that episode.
Speaker 3: He loved doing the show. So Richard, you might be
Speaker 3: out only bumped by Larry all I know. But let
Speaker 3: me compliment Richard. Now, there's a thing in improv called
Speaker 3: explore and heighten. So someone says something you talked about it,
Speaker 3: you feel it, and then you lift it by agreeing,
Speaker 3: which is what I always do on the show. I
Speaker 3: agree whether I explore and heighten it or agree right away,
Speaker 3: because that gives the other permission to go up a level,
Speaker 3: and that's how improv is done. So we're filming the
Speaker 3: scene in sort of the library, are you away from Sheryl,
Speaker 3: and it's Richard and Shelley, and Larry says what he
Speaker 3: wants to do, and Shelley says, I don't think it's
Speaker 3: a good idea, which makes sense for the scene. However,
Speaker 3: Richard saying I think it's a great idea propels the
Speaker 3: scene up for right. But he's exploring heightening as Shelley
Speaker 3: keeps saying I don't think it's a good idea. So
Speaker 3: Richard alone lifted the scene. Watching this, I was in
Speaker 3: awe of that. I thought it was brilliant. Thank you
Speaker 3: very much. I will say one thing made me laugh.
Speaker 3: It's still in my head. Is there four of us talking? Right? No?
Speaker 3: Three of you? It's just you and Shelley.
Speaker 2: You and Shelley and Larry. Yeah, nobody else.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 4: Now what I remember is Shelley talking and we're going
Speaker 4: by stop stop, stop.
Speaker 2: And y'all lucky to please let me off. But this
Speaker 2: was not that. This was Shelley Burd Yes, it was
Speaker 2: Shelley Shelly, Yes, why did the blind?
Speaker 1: Shelley could be very difficult to work with.
Speaker 2: I didn't say it was difficult. I'm saying but difficult,
Speaker 2: but it made me laugh.
Speaker 3: But always brilliant, by the way, difficult and you put
Speaker 3: up with it because the guy was brilliant.
Speaker 1: Now, then we cut to Richard Lewis meditating doing jah
Speaker 1: yah jah yeah, and the phone rings and it's Larry
Speaker 1: and Larry's calling about the mantra. He wants the mantra back,
Speaker 1: and Richard calls him an East Indian giver and he
Speaker 1: wants the mantra back and rich is like it's been working,
Speaker 1: and Larry says, well.
Speaker 2: Split it with me.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's and Richard says, well, that
Speaker 1: seems like a gay thing. And they go into this
Speaker 1: whole riff about, you know, until Larry finally cuts it
Speaker 1: off with it's just you.
Speaker 3: Know, my mother just died.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Yea, oh fabulous.
Speaker 6: Don't even think to us about it, all right, split it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, no problem, all right. This is one of
Speaker 3: my favorite episodes of all time. There are two things
Speaker 3: that I'm bothered by, and I'll mention one rate now,
Speaker 3: the meditation thing, which was part of the story. I
Speaker 3: would have cut the whole thing, or I would have
Speaker 3: cut it down to this because we lost things. That
Speaker 3: was the first episode in the first three years where
Speaker 3: we lost things, not because they didn't serve the episode,
Speaker 3: although that was the idea at the time. We lost
Speaker 3: things that I loved because we had to make time
Speaker 3: for the Jayas thing and the Jaiya thing. I found
Speaker 3: it at no point funny. I think it's a funny idea.
Speaker 2: I thought it worked, but that's you a different opinion.
Speaker 3: But when I tell you why it bothered me, which
Speaker 3: I will shortly.
Speaker 1: So, Larry says, my mother just died, and then Richard
Speaker 1: gives in, okay, we'll split it.
Speaker 2: And then he's in bed, which I don't know.
Speaker 1: How are they splitting it, one says jai One says, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. But then he's in
Speaker 1: bed with Cheryl and she goes to sleep and he
Speaker 1: makes moves on her and she's not in the mood.
Speaker 1: And then Larry says, my mother just died, and I
Speaker 1: didn't have a chance to say goodbye.
Speaker 3: And what she does beautifully in that scene is she
Speaker 3: makes it believable, yes, that she really feels empathy for him,
Speaker 3: and now she's going to have sex with him. I
Speaker 3: thought that was great. That's funny. That's very funny, very funny.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, but my mother died.
Speaker 4: But I have with Jeff on that. I was surprised,
Speaker 4: you know that, that I didn't get the meditation by.
Speaker 3: The way, the meditation might have worked in a different episode,
Speaker 3: but there was gold in this episode except for that,
Speaker 3: so it stood out and I, well, we'll get to
Speaker 3: that in a second and I'll explain.
Speaker 1: So he uses the excuse about his mother and it
Speaker 1: works for Cheryl. And then we see Larry with the
Speaker 1: grave diver. It gives him a water cash.
Speaker 3: I know that was a full scene, but it was
Speaker 3: cut down to where he's with the guy. He's already
Speaker 3: fumbling with the cash. He gives it to the guys
Speaker 3: big Wad, big Wad, and he says, all right, it's
Speaker 3: a deal. Sure, that was a full scene. But what
Speaker 3: we cut it down to, or they cut it down
Speaker 3: to the editor and Larry too, what was necessary? It
Speaker 3: served the show and I love when that when when
Speaker 3: everything's succinct, and the next episode, the ending is succinct.
Speaker 3: I'll talk about that then, which is a thing of beauty.
Speaker 1: The grave digger says to him bring some friends, and
Speaker 1: Larry's like wise like, you need to help dig So
Speaker 1: next we see Larry, Jeff Nat and.
Speaker 3: Anne hold on, hold on. This is where the Jaya
Speaker 3: thing beat the shit out of me. So there was
Speaker 3: a scene, and there's two parts to the scene, one
Speaker 3: of Larry's and I sitting outside of the graveyard, and
Speaker 3: to this day, I think that's one of the best
Speaker 3: scenes Larry and I have ever filmed ever on the curb. Yes,
Speaker 3: we're sitting on the curb outside and it was on
Speaker 3: so many levels. It's one of, if not my favorite
Speaker 3: scene Larry and I have ever done. There shouldn't have
Speaker 3: been funnier ones, but in terms of richness, this scene
Speaker 3: was great. And I was when I'm doing it, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is so I was so happy. And the second
Speaker 3: part of the scene is we're waiting for her cousin
Speaker 3: Andy and Larry's father.
Speaker 2: So all this was cutting.
Speaker 3: Yes, they pull up and Larry says, why were you late?
Speaker 3: And they were doing a test run to the airport
Speaker 3: to see the best way to go, and Richard his
Speaker 3: character and he's not leaving for a day or two.
Speaker 3: But that night they decided to do a test run
Speaker 3: to the airport, which gold perfection. All of that cut,
Speaker 3: that's so true. But yes, but all of that cut
Speaker 3: because of that stupid meditation shit, because that was gold
Speaker 3: and the meditation was not gold. Meditation was sober.
Speaker 2: I am with you.
Speaker 3: I agree, yeah, and then I'll discuss what we're about
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back. Stay tuned, Okay, we're back. Okay.
Speaker 2: So then they're all given shovels.
Speaker 1: The grave digger gives them all shovels and walks away
Speaker 1: because he only has four shovels, and then we see
Speaker 1: them dig dig dig dig dig timecasts.
Speaker 3: Okay, now I want to speak up about this, please.
Speaker 2: Larry has dirtle over his face.
Speaker 3: Yes, but here's what bothered me also, And it was
Speaker 3: before we could do forty minute episodes, so I will
Speaker 3: say that, yes, we were locked into less than a
Speaker 3: half hour now forty minutes sometimes forty five, but we
Speaker 3: had so many funny moments in that grave digging scene.
Speaker 3: I don't remember there was a run that I started
Speaker 3: to have and then Larry and Richard would back me
Speaker 3: that was hysterical with Shelley's character. I don't remember what
Speaker 3: it was, but I remember there was so much gold
Speaker 3: in that scene and it was reduced to a montage,
Speaker 3: and montages are generally used to save time. I get that,
Speaker 3: but even like I said, the Jayas should have been
Speaker 3: cut down. Fine, cut down the grave digging scene. And
Speaker 3: if you notice in the grave digging scene, we're yelling
Speaker 3: at each.
Speaker 2: Other in the montage with the music, but what.
Speaker 3: We were saying in those moments was really really funny.
Speaker 3: So again frustrant. By the way, I don't know if
Speaker 3: they still are good, and I do have a VHS player,
Speaker 3: but I have those scenes, the cuts from those scenes
Speaker 3: on VHS. Really yes, and I know that Larry would
Speaker 3: not like me to put them up online, so it's
Speaker 3: really for my own enjoyment. I have the tapes. I've
Speaker 3: never watched them because I would just get frustrated. And
Speaker 3: now I think, what if they weren't? What if my metal?
Speaker 2: You never know? Richard, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2: Do you watch yourself on things? No, you don't.
Speaker 3: I watch myself on Curb.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing I watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm part of the creative team. I'm part
Speaker 3: of the whole thing.
Speaker 2: I watch myself on Curb. Not for that reason.
Speaker 1: I watch myself on Curb because I'm playing such an
Speaker 1: extreme character that she's so not me, and the whole
Speaker 1: show tickles me so much, and my character tickles me
Speaker 1: so much that I.
Speaker 2: Could watch it.
Speaker 1: But other things I can't watch, and I especially can't
Speaker 1: watch when I'm myself, like on a talk show or
Speaker 1: something that I really can't watch.
Speaker 3: That's painful, you know.
Speaker 4: When I do watch it by I sometimes asked for
Speaker 4: this will replay, but I won't listen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just want to see it my face
Speaker 2: if I'm telling.
Speaker 3: You the truth. But by the way, I think the
Speaker 3: enemy of which we never do on Curb. We've done
Speaker 3: it twice, I think in all the years is playback.
Speaker 3: A lot of movies I've done. They'll play back the
Speaker 3: scene and everyone with their headphones is watching, and that
Speaker 3: slows comedy down. It's no good.
Speaker 2: I don't remember ever doing that on Curb.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I'm talking about Curb. I've about movies
Speaker 3: I've done Curb we've done it twice, but for technical reasons,
Speaker 3: for comedic reasons.
Speaker 2: You do have to do it sometimes for technical reasons.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even want to watch it without sound. By
Speaker 3: the way, little sidebar, the movie AMAI, which I love,
Speaker 3: and I've seen it so many times that I've started
Speaker 3: when I watch it now, I only watch it in
Speaker 3: French because I know what's going to happen, and it's
Speaker 3: the whole story, and you see how much of the
Speaker 3: story is in the characters visually. All right.
Speaker 1: So later on, Larry's in the shower and we see
Speaker 1: him chant sing ja ya Jaya shi.
Speaker 4: Yah Shiji Jai Jaya.
Speaker 7: I made it out of lee And when it's dying, ready,
Speaker 7: oh Jaya will yo.
Speaker 3: Dying.
Speaker 1: Somehow he segues from Jaya chanting into the Drado song,
Speaker 1: always one of my favorite songs.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I sang that when I drop
Speaker 3: you off of the earth.
Speaker 2: Oh you sang ohannaka are throwing drado?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that's season nine or ten, I think.
Speaker 1: And then there's a knock on the door and it's
Speaker 1: Richard Lewis, and Richard's angry.
Speaker 2: You always deceive Richard's false anger.
Speaker 3: Okay, two thoughts here. Shower completely unnecessary. It is funny, thathanakah,
Speaker 3: but it's establishing the thing for the next scene, which
Speaker 3: is Richard coming in and you know what it means,
Speaker 3: fucked me, And it's like and that that could have
Speaker 3: been cut.
Speaker 1: That's just what she tells him, that Jaya means fuck me.
Speaker 1: That's what it means, and he's all pissed off, and
Speaker 1: then cut to Larry and Cheryl having breakfast on the patio.
Speaker 1: There's birds in the background, and Larry, you know, says
Speaker 1: that sometimes.
Speaker 3: He'd imagine, hold on and please hold that thought to me.
Speaker 3: The perfect cut is what happens in the graveyard covered
Speaker 3: in dirt, cutting to what we know is the next morning.
Speaker 3: You didn't need the stuff in the middle. You could
Speaker 3: have gone right from the graveyard. I know I'm nitpicking,
Speaker 3: but it also is my thought. You know, you could
Speaker 3: have gone great to that breakfast. I'm just saying there
Speaker 3: was time to be had for that earlier scene.
Speaker 1: And Larry says, sometimes I like to pretend that I'm
Speaker 1: that I'm deaf, and I try to imagine what.
Speaker 5: It would be like, right not to be able to
Speaker 5: hear them.
Speaker 3: It's not so bad.
Speaker 2: He's not mister nature Larry.
Speaker 1: And then there's a knock on the door and it's
Speaker 1: police officers with the grave digger, and apparently Larry's been
Speaker 1: passing bad money, counterfeit money, so you realize that that
Speaker 1: money was the fake money he had from the first
Speaker 1: scene in the scores.
Speaker 2: Even when I was watching.
Speaker 3: It, I forgot that what's what it is? And I
Speaker 3: thought we didn't really do a scene establishing where Larry
Speaker 3: might get counterfeit money. And then when he says, no,
Speaker 3: it's from a movie I did, I was like, oh yeah, oh.
Speaker 3: And then the beauty also coming up is when he
Speaker 3: says to the cops, my mother died and they could
Speaker 3: give a shit.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the out, that's that's that's his excuse for
Speaker 1: my mother.
Speaker 3: Doubt, a perfect doubt, and we see it as he's
Speaker 3: leaving and he's off camera he says, ja yah fuck
Speaker 3: me jayya. But the point being is if he had
Speaker 3: cutting down the Richard Lewis thing, we we either would
Speaker 3: include him saying that or he didn't have to say it.
Speaker 3: That's all I end.
Speaker 2: This episode was directed by Brian Gordon.
Speaker 3: My opinion, Brian Gordon's best episode doing the show. I
Speaker 3: think it's beautifully directed.
Speaker 1: We were introduced to Richard Kind and to Shelley Berman,
Speaker 1: and for that reason, it's an important episode in the
Speaker 1: Curb history. It is very interesting to two recurring characters
Speaker 1: that were essential to the storyline.
Speaker 2: It's future episodes.
Speaker 3: What's great for me in rewatching it is I really
Speaker 3: realized that it's a great episode. I knew the scene
Speaker 3: was Shelley and Richard saying that the mother died, but
Speaker 3: I was so upset, and you can see it. I
Speaker 3: still take it. I'm no longer upset, though, but I
Speaker 3: acknowledge that it was frustrating all that stuff being cut.
Speaker 3: But I was so upset about it. And I remember
Speaker 3: when we were cutting the show and I would get cuts.
Speaker 3: I was very upset, and I explained to Larry. Because
Speaker 3: I'm very honest, I don't hold things for resentment. I
Speaker 3: told him how upset I was, and he said, you know,
Speaker 3: this is one of those things that you got to
Speaker 3: let go because you're a producer. And I didn't agree
Speaker 3: as a producer, but I understood who was saying. And
Speaker 3: also on the show, I lay a lot of pipe
Speaker 3: and he's explained to me, thank you someone had to
Speaker 3: do it. No one else ever had to do it.
Speaker 3: I was laying out what we're about to set up,
Speaker 3: or I turned him onto things that are going to
Speaker 3: get him into trouble. That was my job on the show.
Speaker 3: And what also is a bonus thing to notice is
Speaker 3: I'm in the show, but I've said nothing in the show.
Speaker 3: There's no lines of dialogue from me in this show. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But by the way, no problem with that. Wasn't My
Speaker 3: frustration was the overall grave digging scene. But I actually
Speaker 3: Susie not being in an episode is pretty fucking great.
Speaker 3: When I'm just a producer on set and I'm just
Speaker 3: doing my producing job and I'm not in the episode,
Speaker 3: which has happened three or four times, I love it.
Speaker 3: So it's not about attention on me. It just was.
Speaker 3: The scene was a thing of beauty.
Speaker 1: My favorite thing in the episode is she did want
Speaker 1: to bother you.
Speaker 3: My favorite thing is you missed a good one?
Speaker 2: You missed a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my favorite thing.
Speaker 4: And I will say about Jeff and Larry's sitting on
Speaker 4: the carb. I was there that night and I heard
Speaker 4: it and it was terrific. And the two things I
Speaker 4: thought of when I heard it was cut.
Speaker 3: Was it's the same? I mean he thought he was saying,
Speaker 3: there's three things, it's the same.
Speaker 4: The Seinfeld was notorious for not having any sentimentality whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Was he holding on to that?
Speaker 4: And the third thing was I hope my friend Jeff
Speaker 4: doesn't get mistreated on this show.
Speaker 3: That's very and I was never mistreated.
Speaker 6: But that two or three years and until you are
Speaker 6: aracter was able to not just help, but to propel
Speaker 6: a story or to have opinions or your improvisation.
Speaker 4: I was afraid that your destiny was what happened on
Speaker 4: that curve.
Speaker 2: As time went on, I mean how many seasons to ten,
Speaker 2: twelve twelve?
Speaker 1: Time went on, it got you know, but you know,
Speaker 1: I think what people don't always understand, and we know
Speaker 1: because we're actors in the business, is that it takes
Speaker 1: a long time for a show to find the generate
Speaker 1: itself and for characters to figure out who they are
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 3: That episode was really and you, by the way, in
Speaker 3: the next episode, like we did in the earlier episode
Speaker 3: the Doll, you started to find your character. However, after
Speaker 3: the one that's actually coming up next, where it's a
Speaker 3: similar angry so the angry scene. Then your character had
Speaker 3: some nuance. Get yell, but you had some nuance, and
Speaker 3: then Larry was welcome until he pissed you off. That
Speaker 3: was never the case before. So there was the things
Speaker 3: to develop.
Speaker 2: Over the years.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you go back, I mean I
Speaker 1: used to do this years ago. I used to go
Speaker 1: to the Museum of Broadcasting on what was it on
Speaker 1: fifty something Street, Yes, and I used to watch old
Speaker 1: pilots and if you go and watch old lits of things,
Speaker 1: they're completely different than what the show ended up being.
Speaker 1: And what was nice is that we were given the
Speaker 1: luxury of finding ourselves on a network we might have
Speaker 1: been canceled already.
Speaker 3: Well, no network, we would never even be on. We
Speaker 3: would never be on on a network.
Speaker 4: I'm a victim of that this year because I was
Speaker 4: on a show very different from what you guys did,
Speaker 4: but it was a cop so and within the first season,
Speaker 4: not just the pilot, the first season, we sort of
Speaker 4: knew what we were.
Speaker 3: That kind of thing is gold. By the way, Richard,
Speaker 3: on that show, Yeah, did you ever have any gunplay?
Speaker 3: Always had gun playing? Did you really know you did not?
Speaker 3: By the way, I also want to say in terms
Speaker 3: of being misused. Early on, my job from season one
Speaker 3: to season twelve was to lay pipe. That was my
Speaker 3: number one job, to be grounding and explain what's going on.
Speaker 3: I was allowed sometimes, and I use the word sometimes
Speaker 3: through the show to be funny, but most of.
Speaker 2: The time, you with a straight man, you a Larry straightman.
Speaker 3: I was Larry Stratman. But also when it was really
Speaker 3: groovy for me, it had a Laura and hardy feel
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, We'll get to scenes like that and we'll
Speaker 1: point them out to everybody when we get there.
Speaker 3: But also I think that's what happened to me, is
Speaker 3: you know in my career, is that so many people
Speaker 3: don't know I'm funny. I mean that sincerely, but it's
Speaker 3: affected my stand up more than anything. Whereas I don't
Speaker 3: draw like a lot of my peers do. And I'm
Speaker 3: not complaining about that, because whoever wants to come see me,
Speaker 3: I'm thrilled and I have a great time doing it.
Speaker 3: But I know it's because people are looking and they
Speaker 3: think he's an actor.
Speaker 1: Well listen, it happens to all of us characters.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I know since post Curb, I
Speaker 3: know that's happened to you, Richard. You're not a stand
Speaker 3: up Susie. You're retired. Yeah, but it still happens for me.
Speaker 2: In a way.
Speaker 1: It's a testament to how good we are that people
Speaker 1: actually think we're those characters.
Speaker 3: I love you. I'll let you say that and we'll
Speaker 3: lend on that.
Speaker 1: That's right, and Richard, thank you so much, and we're
Speaker 1: going to see you again in future episodes.
Speaker 3: You can see your numerous times.
Speaker 1: I know the exact one I want him to come back.
Speaker 1: Can I say one word, chum?
Speaker 3: Yes, I know. The dinner table I know is one lesson.
Speaker 3: And by the way, you're so heavily involved with Richard
Speaker 3: in that scene. It's like it's all your motivation is
Speaker 3: based on him in that scene, and I love it.
Speaker 3: What a great scene.
Speaker 2: Thank you Richard for coming. See you next time. I
Speaker 2: love your dogs seeing you. I'm not long Branch, New Jersey.
Speaker 2: I got nobody here. Well you know, hey, come over,
Speaker 2: you want to come for dinner. I'm not that far.
Speaker 3: Where are you at my house?
Speaker 2: You've been to my house?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, no, no far, awe, you're an hour awe.
Speaker 3: Richard. Don't ask people where they live.
Speaker 2: He knows where I live. He spent in my house.
Speaker 2: I'm in Long Branch, New Jersey. People know it, Biometra
Speaker 2: Jersey Shore.
Speaker 3: See. Now you've fucked up, Richard. You know why fans
Speaker 3: of yours are going to start going to stores and
Speaker 3: restaurants trying to see.
Speaker 4: You in the beach community. This is the beach community.
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