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Speaker 1: Yes, Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Curb Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I am enthusiasman. Who are you the guy up on

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Speaker 2: the right hand corner? Are you Jeff Garland?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm Jeff Garland, one of America's top teens.

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Speaker 1: And we have a special guest with us today.

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Speaker 2: Jeff one of our favorite both of us Jack, it's.

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Speaker 3: Richard kind Rich America's top Latin crooner.

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Speaker 1: Now, we have both known Richard for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: I've known Richard I think since nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's longer than me, that is correct, which is crazy.

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Speaker 1: We took an acting class together in nineteen eighty down

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Speaker 1: in the East sixteenth.

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Speaker 3: I think for Richard and I it was either eighty

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Speaker 3: four or eighty five when I met Richard.

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Speaker 2: Susie. What was the name of the theater? I don't remember.

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Speaker 2: It was in a church. Was it Portobello? Yes, it

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Speaker 2: was Portobello. Thank you. You're very good. All right, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I will be able to remember nothing else.

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Speaker 1: Well, Richard, Now we all know you kurb fans know

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Speaker 1: that Richard plays cousin Andy, Larry's cousin Andy.

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Speaker 2: How did you get this part? Richard?

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Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you a story that Jeff will

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Speaker 4: say it's not true.

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Speaker 3: I am rep I am right yet not. Your memory

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Speaker 3: of things is shit, it is. I know exactly how

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Speaker 2: Remember porta Bellow Theater. I can I remember?

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Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, here's my story, Susie, I'm gonna go first.

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Speaker 4: All right, Okay, they were casting cousin Andy. Jeff, being

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Speaker 4: one of my dearest friends, said, let's use Richard kai. Larry,

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Speaker 4: in his incorrect ways, said no, he's too famous. Ah,

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Speaker 4: people will know that it's Richard Kind, too famous. Whenever

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Speaker 4: a famous person was on the show at that time,

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Speaker 4: they played themselves with the exception. Who was the exception?

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Speaker 4: Sheeene Easton ed Asner, And he didn't want character because

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Speaker 4: Kind is too well known. He can't do the role.

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Speaker 4: I say, you go back and a shore. Larry, I

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Speaker 2: This is two thousand and three around.

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Speaker 4: I think I can't remember that, but that's what he said.

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Speaker 4: And they auditioned some people, and then they finally decided,

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Speaker 4: probably through jeff insistence, let's use Richard Kind.

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Speaker 2: And I worked out just Bob, let's hear your side. Jeff.

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Speaker 3: Richard began correctly. I said, you know who's perfect for

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Speaker 1: You cast correctly, It's as though you couldn't even think

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Speaker 2: You know, it's Richard kind his cousin Andy.

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Speaker 3: This is no quivoctly from the get go this episode.

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Speaker 3: Didn't matter. Yet he auditioned amongst a lot of heroes

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Speaker 1: And let me ask you this, Richard, the whole run

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Speaker 3: Give me a call, just see you. There's no point.

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Speaker 3: Okay, forget I'm sorry I didn't call you. I'm sorry, Donato.

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Speaker 3: However, Richard sang the line your call, well, I wasn't

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Speaker 3: But the idea that you're disappointed in him because if

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Speaker 4: It's different, but it's different.

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Speaker 1: I agree with Andy on this call. Then Nat shows

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Speaker 2: Later, Okay, I watched too many in a row.

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Speaker 3: Michael Leadler. I don't know if that's a Larry friend

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Speaker 3: By the way, my parents dying loved it.

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Speaker 3: But hold on, he's a kid, and that's really the

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Speaker 2: He's that way thoughts.

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Speaker 3: We're always happy for one another. But early on, if

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Speaker 1: Larry suggests that Richard does lonely, lonely, lonely, and then

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Speaker 3: What is your mantra?

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Speaker 1: stop and chat, and Richard in a passive aggressive move

439
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,719
Speaker 1: or maybe an aggressive aggressive leave so that Larry gets stuck.

440
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 2: For Larry and he knows exactly.

441
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 3: And he's happy and that's what good friends.

442
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 2: Do, and thank you, boring, boring.

443
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 1: He just starts carrying on in some boring conversation, which

444
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: Larry don stops him and just says.

445
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: My mother just died.

446
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 1: I really have to just focus on myself and he

447
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: gets out of the conversation.

448
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 3: And by the way, that was Harry Murphy, an actor

449
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 3: I got in the show Second City. Whoa I want

450
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: credit for how many Second City had I hire? Because

451
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 3: I had a pretty miserable time at Second City, not

452
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 3: when Richard was there. That was my golden time. You

453
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 3: know why I worked in the box office, and you

454
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 3: know why everyone on the main stage who I loved.

455
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 3: They embraced me and they let me improvise with them,

456
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 3: which was something only people who were in the companies

457
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: could do because there was travel companies a second company,

458
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,239
Speaker 3: but Richard's company would invite me. They saw something in

459
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 3: me kid and wanted to be on stage working in

460
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Speaker 3: the box office. They saw something in me and they

461
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 3: let me improvise with them, which I'll never forget and.

462
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Speaker 1: Is so so, Jeff, I'm giving you. I'm officially giving

463
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Speaker 1: you credit. I am giving you credit.

464
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 3: For the Second City stuff.

465
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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm giving you credit. I will also Stid. There

466
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: was soup a plenty.

467
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Speaker 3: Are you talking about when Dan Castle and I would

468
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 3: watch you it's soup?

469
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: Well we would go out of that soup.

470
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 3: No, we go to a place called this is this

471
00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 3: is really cool? So a lot of nights. Richard my Elf,

472
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 3: Dan Caslenetta, the voice of Homer Simpson, a brilliant improviser

473
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 3: by the way, who influenced me and I learned he

474
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 3: and Mike Caggarty are the two guys that I learned

475
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 3: the most from.

476
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Speaker 1: And Mike Cagarty can I just say played in the

477
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: Double amco at.

478
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 3: Which I already did.

479
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: We already did, so I just want to give the

480
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: reference right.

481
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: And what I learned from him was being succinct, like

482
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 3: he would come in, say the thing, get his laugh,

483
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: and either get off or stay out and be quiet.

484
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 3: That's what I felt he would do, because everything out

485
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: of his mouth was perfect for the moment and funny. Anyhow,

486
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 3: sidebar may be interesting.

487
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 6: Okay.

488
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: So Richard, myself and Dan Castlenetta would go to this

489
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 3: place called Jeff's Laughing, which I love for the name,

490
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 3: in the Lincoln Hotel down the street from Second City.

491
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: We go eat, we go to the Belden Deli sometimes

492
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 3: with more people sidebar. And by the way, the Beldon

493
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 3: Deli was the first place where John Belushi realized how

494
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 3: famous he was, because he went in there and people

495
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: went crazy. This is early on, and he said to

496
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 3: whoever he was with, I can't even go to the

497
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 3: Beldon Delli, which is kind of an amazing story, all right, anyhow.

498
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: Okay, so now wait, wait, all righty.

499
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: Well, what a lame story if it ends all right?

500
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 3: Although the blueshy thing's interesting. So Dan and I would

501
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: sit on the same side, Richard the other. Richard always

502
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 3: ordered soup, Dan and I a sandwich, what have you.

503
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 3: And there were periods where Dan and I sat quiet

504
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 3: and just watch Richard eat soup. And I thought, you know,

505
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 3: you always say, like Sean Penn, you could watch him

506
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: read the phone book and he'd be great. Well, when

507
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 3: Richard eats soup, he was kind of obvious. Who's more interesting?

508
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 3: Like we would sit until Richard noticed.

509
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: Look at him drinking out of a can of water.

510
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: Right now, I.

511
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: Know, but Richard was so involved with a soup he

512
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 3: could go thirty seconds without noticing. And Dan and I

513
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: truly found it fascinating watch Rick Sherdy soup slowly eating

514
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 3: his soup having no idea. We were staring at him. Okay,

515
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 3: that's it, long way to go.

516
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: We'll be right back. Stay tuned, and we're back.

517
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: So now we cut to Larry is at the cemetery

518
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: looking for the headstone of his mother and he asks

519
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: the grave digger, and the grave digger says, oh, she's

520
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: not here. She was moved to a special section. So

521
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: he's confused, what does that mean? A special section? Next

522
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: we know he is talking to the head of the

523
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: Mountain View Cemetory, George Coole.

524
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 3: George Cole, by the way, is somebody I was so

525
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: proud and happy to work with because he did comedy.

526
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: He actually, if I'm not mistaken, was either part of

527
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 3: the cast or hosted you right.

528
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, the first season.

529
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 3: He was in movies Wonderful Terror director Great Cary, and

530
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: he was in Yeah. I mean, he could do anything,

531
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 3: and he was somebody I greatly admired, which was the

532
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: joy of curb your enthusiasm. I'd work with people or

533
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 3: be around people that I admired. So so watching him

534
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 3: in action, and he's great in this scene with Larry.

535
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 3: Tattoo on the right buttock.

536
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, first he says, you know, the special section

537
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: is reserved for villains, suicides, gentiles, and mixed marriages.

538
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: And then he tells her.

539
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 5: When the shamish examined her, he found that she had

540
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 5: a tattoo on the Yes, on my mother had a tattoo, Yes, sir,

541
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 5: it's on the on the on the right cheek of

542
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 5: her right buttock, if you will. My mother had a

543
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 5: tattoo on her on her right buttock, yes, sir.

544
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: And according to Leviticus, that's an offense and it disqualifies

545
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: her from burial.

546
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: In consecrated ground.

547
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: So Larry wants to rectify this, and the George Cole

548
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: character the law is the law. And then later on

549
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: Larry is with Nat and you Richard Andy, and.

550
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: She'd be sick to her stomach if she knew this.

551
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: He's very upset, and Nat explains they were just married.

552
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: They're walking down the boardwalk. They got a tattoo. Cheryl

553
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 2: then brings in wait.

554
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, wait, wait wait. Before that, Richard says something

555
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 3: about you don't want to hear your parents making love

556
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 3: or I don't know how that came up. And then

557
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 3: Larry's response was I can't imagine you making love to Richard.

558
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: I thought it was a hilarious exchange, okay.

559
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: And then Cheryl brings in crude quae and crude, and

560
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: Andy says.

561
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, thank you so much for dinner.

562
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: Turkey.

563
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: Now I had turkey for lunch.

564
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 5: Oh well, tright, okayka, check on that.

565
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: I'll take whatever you have.

566
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: Thank you. I had turkey for lunch.

567
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: You know I would have smacked you get away.

568
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: What's amazing this being the first episode that is so

569
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: the character now Richard Randy, Yes, but Richard, I knew

570
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: what this guy was right away, right away. That's what

571
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: was amazing. You missed a good one. The way he

572
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: walked in the way he stood there. That's why Larry said,

573
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: he's right on these two right. He was perfect and

574
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 3: under from the get go. And him with the turkey

575
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: and I had turkey for lunch.

576
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: And then they fight over Chinese food in La You know,

577
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: that's a whole other thing.

578
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: If you want to know the stuff I'd get to

579
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 4: stopped for because of kurb Turkey for lunch Andris.

580
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: Chrispy Onions, which is in the Black Swan episode, which

581
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: is a great episode.

582
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: But by the way, this is what I love about

583
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: the earli yeers. We would have scenes that were loaded

584
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 3: with minutia and the idea that they're arguing about New

585
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: York La Chinese because everyone knows in l it can't

586
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 3: compare with New York and in LA. I'm not even exaggerating,

587
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: they're really only great Chinese restaurants are in fact in Chinatown.

588
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 3: So the argument's always about pizza and Chinese in terms

589
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: of New York LA and Larry's like in all the

590
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: whole country, they wouldn't send one good Chinese food chef

591
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 3: to LA. That it's all in New York. That's where

592
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: they went with the Chinese food. But that's especially Jews.

593
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 3: Sunday night was always a big Chinese food night, and

594
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: also Christmas Eve or see Christmas Day, Jews went to

595
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: Chinese food and still do I think in a movie

596
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: that was the big thing to do on Christmas for Jews.

597
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: But people in La are always frustrated that there's not

598
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,239
Speaker 3: a great Chinese place near them in any area of

599
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: La So I love the minutia of that.

600
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Larry calls him over and he says

601
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: he wants to move the body and he's going to

602
00:30:59,360 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: pay off.

603
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: The Can I do things? Ye ahead, I'm known for

604
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: being a giggler.

605
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 4: I break, and I was surprised, and a lot of

606
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 4: the stuff that I didn't break at with the first scene,

607
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 4: and that your mother died with the turkey line I

608
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 4: had turkey today. I astounded that I got through it.

609
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 4: And if it hadn't been the first episode, I probably

610
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 4: would not have been able to get through it. And

611
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 4: then when I became comfortable doing the show, when we

612
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: did the Black Swan, Larry of course breaks all the.

613
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: Time, right, he breaks all the time.

614
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 4: Now I'm saying he breaks all the time, which sort

615
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 4: of gives me a permission to break when I break.

616
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 4: When we did the lineup on that, I know I'm

617
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 4: boring to another episode, but when we did the lineup,

618
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 4: we were dying, Okay, all four of us were dying

619
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 4: pretty soon.

620
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 7: Jeff and Bob would not laugh, but Larry and I

621
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 7: would crack and for a while, Larry did not crack,

622
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 7: and I kept cracking, and it would Hilarry look over

623
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 7: and like all right, enough is enough, like stop but already,

624
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 7: and it's like for me to get Larry, I agree

625
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 7: about somebody breaking.

626
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: To my memory, yes, that's the only time I ever

627
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: remember him getting upset with another actor breaking. I don't

628
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: recall that, but I want to say.

629
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: I do it with him all the time where I'm

630
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: just like stop, well no, no, no, we do it

631
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: to hit, but he never gets agreed at somebody else.

632
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: He killed me.

633
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: That guy killed me.

634
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 4: All I saw was the Stuye Hawak from bridge on

635
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 4: the River Kwai and it just killed me.

636
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: I mister, you're talking about you know what? How about Richard.

637
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: We'll have you back when we do that episode and

638
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: we'll discuss that again.

639
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: I think I'm busy.

640
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 3: Yeah no, but Larry might want to do that episode.

641
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: He loved doing the show. So Richard, you might be

642
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: out only bumped by Larry all I know. But let

643
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: me compliment Richard. Now, there's a thing in improv called

644
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: explore and heighten. So someone says something you talked about it,

645
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 3: you feel it, and then you lift it by agreeing,

646
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: which is what I always do on the show. I

647
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: agree whether I explore and heighten it or agree right away,

648
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: because that gives the other permission to go up a level,

649
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,239
Speaker 3: and that's how improv is done. So we're filming the

650
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: scene in sort of the library, are you away from Sheryl,

651
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: and it's Richard and Shelley, and Larry says what he

652
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: wants to do, and Shelley says, I don't think it's

653
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: a good idea, which makes sense for the scene. However,

654
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 3: Richard saying I think it's a great idea propels the

655
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: scene up for right. But he's exploring heightening as Shelley

656
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: keeps saying I don't think it's a good idea. So

657
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: Richard alone lifted the scene. Watching this, I was in

658
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: awe of that. I thought it was brilliant. Thank you

659
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: very much. I will say one thing made me laugh.

660
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: It's still in my head. Is there four of us talking? Right? No?

661
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: Three of you? It's just you and Shelley.

662
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: You and Shelley and Larry. Yeah, nobody else.

663
00:33:59,200 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: Huh.

664
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 4: Now what I remember is Shelley talking and we're going

665
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 4: by stop stop, stop.

666
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: And y'all lucky to please let me off. But this

667
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 2: was not that. This was Shelley Burd Yes, it was

668
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: Shelley Shelly, Yes, why did the blind?

669
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: Shelley could be very difficult to work with.

670
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 2: I didn't say it was difficult. I'm saying but difficult,

671
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: but it made me laugh.

672
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 3: But always brilliant, by the way, difficult and you put

673
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: up with it because the guy was brilliant.

674
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: Now, then we cut to Richard Lewis meditating doing jah

675
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: yah jah yeah, and the phone rings and it's Larry

676
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: and Larry's calling about the mantra. He wants the mantra back,

677
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: and Richard calls him an East Indian giver and he

678
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: wants the mantra back and rich is like it's been working,

679
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: and Larry says, well.

680
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: Split it with me.

681
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's and Richard says, well, that

682
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: seems like a gay thing. And they go into this

683
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: whole riff about, you know, until Larry finally cuts it

684
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: off with it's just you.

685
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: Know, my mother just died.

686
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, yeah yeah yeah.

687
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: Yea, oh fabulous.

688
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 6: Don't even think to us about it, all right, split it?

689
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, no problem, all right. This is one of

690
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 3: my favorite episodes of all time. There are two things

691
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: that I'm bothered by, and I'll mention one rate now,

692
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: the meditation thing, which was part of the story. I

693
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 3: would have cut the whole thing, or I would have

694
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 3: cut it down to this because we lost things. That

695
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 3: was the first episode in the first three years where

696
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: we lost things, not because they didn't serve the episode,

697
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: although that was the idea at the time. We lost

698
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: things that I loved because we had to make time

699
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 3: for the Jayas thing and the Jaiya thing. I found

700
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: it at no point funny. I think it's a funny idea.

701
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 2: I thought it worked, but that's you a different opinion.

702
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 3: But when I tell you why it bothered me, which

703
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 3: I will shortly.

704
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: So, Larry says, my mother just died, and then Richard

705
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: gives in, okay, we'll split it.

706
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: And then he's in bed, which I don't know.

707
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: How are they splitting it, one says jai One says, yeah,

708
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. But then he's in

709
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: bed with Cheryl and she goes to sleep and he

710
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: makes moves on her and she's not in the mood.

711
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: And then Larry says, my mother just died, and I

712
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: didn't have a chance to say goodbye.

713
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: And what she does beautifully in that scene is she

714
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: makes it believable, yes, that she really feels empathy for him,

715
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: and now she's going to have sex with him. I

716
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 3: thought that was great. That's funny. That's very funny, very funny.

717
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: No, no, no, but my mother died.

718
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 4: But I have with Jeff on that. I was surprised,

719
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 4: you know that, that I didn't get the meditation by.

720
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 3: The way, the meditation might have worked in a different episode,

721
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: but there was gold in this episode except for that,

722
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: so it stood out and I, well, we'll get to

723
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: that in a second and I'll explain.

724
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: So he uses the excuse about his mother and it

725
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: works for Cheryl. And then we see Larry with the

726
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: grave diver. It gives him a water cash.

727
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: I know that was a full scene, but it was

728
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 3: cut down to where he's with the guy. He's already

729
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 3: fumbling with the cash. He gives it to the guys

730
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: big Wad, big Wad, and he says, all right, it's

731
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 3: a deal. Sure, that was a full scene. But what

732
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 3: we cut it down to, or they cut it down

733
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: to the editor and Larry too, what was necessary? It

734
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: served the show and I love when that when when

735
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: everything's succinct, and the next episode, the ending is succinct.

736
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: I'll talk about that then, which is a thing of beauty.

737
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: The grave digger says to him bring some friends, and

738
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: Larry's like wise like, you need to help dig So

739
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: next we see Larry, Jeff Nat and.

740
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: Anne hold on, hold on. This is where the Jaya

741
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 3: thing beat the shit out of me. So there was

742
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: a scene, and there's two parts to the scene, one

743
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 3: of Larry's and I sitting outside of the graveyard, and

744
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 3: to this day, I think that's one of the best

745
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: scenes Larry and I have ever filmed ever on the curb. Yes,

746
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 3: we're sitting on the curb outside and it was on

747
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: so many levels. It's one of, if not my favorite

748
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: scene Larry and I have ever done. There shouldn't have

749
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: been funnier ones, but in terms of richness, this scene

750
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 3: was great. And I was when I'm doing it, I'm like, oh,

751
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: this is so I was so happy. And the second

752
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: part of the scene is we're waiting for her cousin

753
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: Andy and Larry's father.

754
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: So all this was cutting.

755
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 3: Yes, they pull up and Larry says, why were you late?

756
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 3: And they were doing a test run to the airport

757
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: to see the best way to go, and Richard his

758
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 3: character and he's not leaving for a day or two.

759
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: But that night they decided to do a test run

760
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: to the airport, which gold perfection. All of that cut,

761
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: that's so true. But yes, but all of that cut

762
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: because of that stupid meditation shit, because that was gold

763
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: and the meditation was not gold. Meditation was sober.

764
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: I am with you.

765
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: I agree, yeah, and then I'll discuss what we're about

766
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 3: to do.

767
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: We'll be right back. Stay tuned, Okay, we're back. Okay.

768
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: So then they're all given shovels.

769
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: The grave digger gives them all shovels and walks away

770
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: because he only has four shovels, and then we see

771
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: them dig dig dig dig dig timecasts.

772
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: Okay, now I want to speak up about this, please.

773
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: Larry has dirtle over his face.

774
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: Yes, but here's what bothered me also, And it was

775
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: before we could do forty minute episodes, so I will

776
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 3: say that, yes, we were locked into less than a

777
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: half hour now forty minutes sometimes forty five, but we

778
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: had so many funny moments in that grave digging scene.

779
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: I don't remember there was a run that I started

780
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 3: to have and then Larry and Richard would back me

781
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 3: that was hysterical with Shelley's character. I don't remember what

782
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: it was, but I remember there was so much gold

783
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: in that scene and it was reduced to a montage,

784
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: and montages are generally used to save time. I get that,

785
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: but even like I said, the Jayas should have been

786
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 3: cut down. Fine, cut down the grave digging scene. And

787
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 3: if you notice in the grave digging scene, we're yelling

788
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 3: at each.

789
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: Other in the montage with the music, but what.

790
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 3: We were saying in those moments was really really funny.

791
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: So again frustrant. By the way, I don't know if

792
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 3: they still are good, and I do have a VHS player,

793
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 3: but I have those scenes, the cuts from those scenes

794
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: on VHS. Really yes, and I know that Larry would

795
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: not like me to put them up online, so it's

796
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: really for my own enjoyment. I have the tapes. I've

797
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: never watched them because I would just get frustrated. And

798
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 3: now I think, what if they weren't? What if my metal?

799
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: You never know? Richard, let me ask you a question.

800
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: Do you watch yourself on things? No, you don't.

801
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: I watch myself on Curb.

802
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 2: That's the only thing I watch.

803
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm part of the creative team. I'm part

804
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: of the whole thing.

805
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 2: I watch myself on Curb. Not for that reason.

806
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: I watch myself on Curb because I'm playing such an

807
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: extreme character that she's so not me, and the whole

808
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: show tickles me so much, and my character tickles me

809
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: so much that I.

810
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: Could watch it.

811
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 1: But other things I can't watch, and I especially can't

812
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: watch when I'm myself, like on a talk show or

813
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: something that I really can't watch.

814
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: That's painful, you know.

815
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 4: When I do watch it by I sometimes asked for

816
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 4: this will replay, but I won't listen.

817
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just want to see it my face

818
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: if I'm telling.

819
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: You the truth. But by the way, I think the

820
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: enemy of which we never do on Curb. We've done

821
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 3: it twice, I think in all the years is playback.

822
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: A lot of movies I've done. They'll play back the

823
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: scene and everyone with their headphones is watching, and that

824
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 3: slows comedy down. It's no good.

825
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 2: I don't remember ever doing that on Curb.

826
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I'm talking about Curb. I've about movies

827
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: I've done Curb we've done it twice, but for technical reasons,

828
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 3: for comedic reasons.

829
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: You do have to do it sometimes for technical reasons.

830
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even want to watch it without sound. By

831
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 3: the way, little sidebar, the movie AMAI, which I love,

832
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: and I've seen it so many times that I've started

833
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: when I watch it now, I only watch it in

834
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 3: French because I know what's going to happen, and it's

835
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: the whole story, and you see how much of the

836
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 3: story is in the characters visually. All right.

837
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: So later on, Larry's in the shower and we see

838
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: him chant sing ja ya Jaya shi.

839
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 4: Yah Shiji Jai Jaya.

840
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 7: I made it out of lee And when it's dying, ready,

841
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 7: oh Jaya will yo.

842
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: Dying.

843
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: Somehow he segues from Jaya chanting into the Drado song,

844
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: always one of my favorite songs.

845
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 3: And by the way, I sang that when I drop

846
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 3: you off of the earth.

847
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: Oh you sang ohannaka are throwing drado?

848
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 6: No?

849
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that's season nine or ten, I think.

850
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: And then there's a knock on the door and it's

851
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: Richard Lewis, and Richard's angry.

852
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: You always deceive Richard's false anger.

853
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: Okay, two thoughts here. Shower completely unnecessary. It is funny, thathanakah,

854
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: but it's establishing the thing for the next scene, which

855
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: is Richard coming in and you know what it means,

856
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: fucked me, And it's like and that that could have

857
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: been cut.

858
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: That's just what she tells him, that Jaya means fuck me.

859
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: That's what it means, and he's all pissed off, and

860
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: then cut to Larry and Cheryl having breakfast on the patio.

861
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: There's birds in the background, and Larry, you know, says

862
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: that sometimes.

863
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 3: He'd imagine, hold on and please hold that thought to me.

864
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: The perfect cut is what happens in the graveyard covered

865
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 3: in dirt, cutting to what we know is the next morning.

866
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 3: You didn't need the stuff in the middle. You could

867
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 3: have gone right from the graveyard. I know I'm nitpicking,

868
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: but it also is my thought. You know, you could

869
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: have gone great to that breakfast. I'm just saying there

870
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 3: was time to be had for that earlier scene.

871
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: And Larry says, sometimes I like to pretend that I'm

872
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: that I'm deaf, and I try to imagine what.

873
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 5: It would be like, right not to be able to

874
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 5: hear them.

875
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: It's not so bad.

876
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: He's not mister nature Larry.

877
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: And then there's a knock on the door and it's

878
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: police officers with the grave digger, and apparently Larry's been

879
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: passing bad money, counterfeit money, so you realize that that

880
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: money was the fake money he had from the first

881
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: scene in the scores.

882
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: Even when I was watching.

883
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: It, I forgot that what's what it is? And I

884
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: thought we didn't really do a scene establishing where Larry

885
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: might get counterfeit money. And then when he says, no,

886
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: it's from a movie I did, I was like, oh yeah, oh.

887
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: And then the beauty also coming up is when he

888
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: says to the cops, my mother died and they could

889
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 3: give a shit.

890
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: Well, that's the out, that's that's that's his excuse for

891
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: my mother.

892
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 3: Doubt, a perfect doubt, and we see it as he's

893
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 3: leaving and he's off camera he says, ja yah fuck

894
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 3: me jayya. But the point being is if he had

895
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: cutting down the Richard Lewis thing, we we either would

896
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 3: include him saying that or he didn't have to say it.

897
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: That's all I end.

898
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: This episode was directed by Brian Gordon.

899
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 3: My opinion, Brian Gordon's best episode doing the show. I

900
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: think it's beautifully directed.

901
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: We were introduced to Richard Kind and to Shelley Berman,

902
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: and for that reason, it's an important episode in the

903
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: Curb history. It is very interesting to two recurring characters

904
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: that were essential to the storyline.

905
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: It's future episodes.

906
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 3: What's great for me in rewatching it is I really

907
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: realized that it's a great episode. I knew the scene

908
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 3: was Shelley and Richard saying that the mother died, but

909
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 3: I was so upset, and you can see it. I

910
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: still take it. I'm no longer upset, though, but I

911
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 3: acknowledge that it was frustrating all that stuff being cut.

912
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: But I was so upset about it. And I remember

913
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: when we were cutting the show and I would get cuts.

914
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 3: I was very upset, and I explained to Larry. Because

915
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: I'm very honest, I don't hold things for resentment. I

916
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 3: told him how upset I was, and he said, you know,

917
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 3: this is one of those things that you got to

918
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 3: let go because you're a producer. And I didn't agree

919
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: as a producer, but I understood who was saying. And

920
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: also on the show, I lay a lot of pipe

921
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: and he's explained to me, thank you someone had to

922
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 3: do it. No one else ever had to do it.

923
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: I was laying out what we're about to set up,

924
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: or I turned him onto things that are going to

925
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 3: get him into trouble. That was my job on the show.

926
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: And what also is a bonus thing to notice is

927
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 3: I'm in the show, but I've said nothing in the show.

928
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: There's no lines of dialogue from me in this show. Yeah.

929
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 3: But by the way, no problem with that. Wasn't My

930
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: frustration was the overall grave digging scene. But I actually

931
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: Susie not being in an episode is pretty fucking great.

932
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: When I'm just a producer on set and I'm just

933
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: doing my producing job and I'm not in the episode,

934
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: which has happened three or four times, I love it.

935
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: So it's not about attention on me. It just was.

936
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: The scene was a thing of beauty.

937
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: My favorite thing in the episode is she did want

938
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: to bother you.

939
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 3: My favorite thing is you missed a good one?

940
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: You missed a good one.

941
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my favorite thing.

942
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 4: And I will say about Jeff and Larry's sitting on

943
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 4: the carb. I was there that night and I heard

944
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 4: it and it was terrific. And the two things I

945
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 4: thought of when I heard it was cut.

946
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: Was it's the same? I mean he thought he was saying,

947
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 3: there's three things, it's the same.

948
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 4: The Seinfeld was notorious for not having any sentimentality whatsoever.

949
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 3: Was he holding on to that?

950
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 4: And the third thing was I hope my friend Jeff

951
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 4: doesn't get mistreated on this show.

952
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 3: That's very and I was never mistreated.

953
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 6: But that two or three years and until you are

954
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 6: aracter was able to not just help, but to propel

955
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 6: a story or to have opinions or your improvisation.

956
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 4: I was afraid that your destiny was what happened on

957
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 4: that curve.

958
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: As time went on, I mean how many seasons to ten,

959
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: twelve twelve?

960
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: Time went on, it got you know, but you know,

961
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: I think what people don't always understand, and we know

962
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: because we're actors in the business, is that it takes

963
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: a long time for a show to find the generate

964
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: itself and for characters to figure out who they are

965
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: on the show.

966
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: That episode was really and you, by the way, in

967
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: the next episode, like we did in the earlier episode

968
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 3: the Doll, you started to find your character. However, after

969
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: the one that's actually coming up next, where it's a

970
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: similar angry so the angry scene. Then your character had

971
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: some nuance. Get yell, but you had some nuance, and

972
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 3: then Larry was welcome until he pissed you off. That

973
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: was never the case before. So there was the things

974
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: to develop.

975
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: Over the years.

976
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: And you know, if you go back, I mean I

977
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: used to do this years ago. I used to go

978
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: to the Museum of Broadcasting on what was it on

979
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: fifty something Street, Yes, and I used to watch old

980
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: pilots and if you go and watch old lits of things,

981
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: they're completely different than what the show ended up being.

982
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: And what was nice is that we were given the

983
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: luxury of finding ourselves on a network we might have

984
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: been canceled already.

985
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: Well, no network, we would never even be on. We

986
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 3: would never be on on a network.

987
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 4: I'm a victim of that this year because I was

988
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 4: on a show very different from what you guys did,

989
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 4: but it was a cop so and within the first season,

990
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 4: not just the pilot, the first season, we sort of

991
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 4: knew what we were.

992
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: That kind of thing is gold. By the way, Richard,

993
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: on that show, Yeah, did you ever have any gunplay?

994
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 3: Always had gun playing? Did you really know you did not?

995
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 3: By the way, I also want to say in terms

996
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: of being misused. Early on, my job from season one

997
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: to season twelve was to lay pipe. That was my

998
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 3: number one job, to be grounding and explain what's going on.

999
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 3: I was allowed sometimes, and I use the word sometimes

1000
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 3: through the show to be funny, but most of.

1001
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: The time, you with a straight man, you a Larry straightman.

1002
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 3: I was Larry Stratman. But also when it was really

1003
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 3: groovy for me, it had a Laura and hardy feel

1004
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 3: to it.

1005
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1006
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, We'll get to scenes like that and we'll

1007
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: point them out to everybody when we get there.

1008
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 3: But also I think that's what happened to me, is

1009
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 3: you know in my career, is that so many people

1010
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: don't know I'm funny. I mean that sincerely, but it's

1011
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 3: affected my stand up more than anything. Whereas I don't

1012
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 3: draw like a lot of my peers do. And I'm

1013
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: not complaining about that, because whoever wants to come see me,

1014
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 3: I'm thrilled and I have a great time doing it.

1015
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 3: But I know it's because people are looking and they

1016
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 3: think he's an actor.

1017
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: Well listen, it happens to all of us characters.

1018
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: And by the way, I know since post Curb, I

1019
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: know that's happened to you, Richard. You're not a stand

1020
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 3: up Susie. You're retired. Yeah, but it still happens for me.

1021
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: In a way.

1022
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: It's a testament to how good we are that people

1023
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: actually think we're those characters.

1024
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: I love you. I'll let you say that and we'll

1025
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: lend on that.

1026
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: That's right, and Richard, thank you so much, and we're

1027
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: going to see you again in future episodes.

1028
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: You can see your numerous times.

1029
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: I know the exact one I want him to come back.

1030
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: Can I say one word, chum?

1031
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 3: Yes, I know. The dinner table I know is one lesson.

1032
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 3: And by the way, you're so heavily involved with Richard

1033
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 3: in that scene. It's like it's all your motivation is

1034
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 3: based on him in that scene, and I love it.

1035
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 3: What a great scene.

1036
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: Thank you Richard for coming. See you next time. I

1037
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: love your dogs seeing you. I'm not long Branch, New Jersey.

1038
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 2: I got nobody here. Well you know, hey, come over,

1039
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: you want to come for dinner. I'm not that far.

1040
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: Where are you at my house?

1041
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: You've been to my house?

1042
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1043
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 2: No, no, no far, awe, you're an hour awe.

1044
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 3: Richard. Don't ask people where they live.

1045
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: He knows where I live. He spent in my house.

1046
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: I'm in Long Branch, New Jersey. People know it, Biometra

1047
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 2: Jersey Shore.

1048
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: See. Now you've fucked up, Richard. You know why fans

1049
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: of yours are going to start going to stores and

1050
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 3: restaurants trying to see.

1051
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 4: You in the beach community. This is the beach community.

1052
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 2: Yes, that is love you boys. I love you guys.

1053
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:30,600
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1054
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,360
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1055
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,279
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1056
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