1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: the Bengals boot podcast. The One Step Up and Two 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Steps Back addition, as the Bengals follow a thrilling win 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: over Baltimore with back to back losses to the Jets 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: and Browns to fall to five and four heading into 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: their by coming up, you'll hear radio replays from the loss, 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: postgame comments from players and coaches, and analysis from my 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: broadcast partner Dave Lapham. 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Now let's get to Sunday's game. 27 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: It sure started well. The Bengals got the ball first 28 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: and zipped right down the field, picking up five first 29 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: downs before facing third and goal from the Cleveland three. 30 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: That's when Joe Burrow made a rare terrible throw. Joe 31 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: extends the hands, fakes a hand off to p Ryan 32 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: throws intercepted sprinting up the near sideline and heading toward 33 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: the middle of the field. Now with the football, it 34 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: is Denzel Ward taking at the distance for a Cleveland touchdown. Wow. 35 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: The Bengals not only failed to score inside the red zone, 36 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's former Ohio State teammate, Denzel Ward, stepped in 37 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: front of Jamar Chase at the one yard line and 38 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: took it back ninety nine yards for a touchdown. Burrow 39 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: didn't have much to say about wards pick six. You 40 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: had a good play. I left it inside a little bit, 41 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: and if you do that to Denzel, he's gonna make 42 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: it pay. If if I play better, we're in that game. 43 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: We a chance to win that game. Instant play, Well, 44 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: that's all there is to it. Burrow had his good 45 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: moments too. In fact, after the pick six, he drove 46 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: the Bengals seventy five yards on nine plays to tie 47 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: the game. Toss sweep to the left, mix it looking 48 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: for a running lane. Great Books get to the sidelines, 49 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: touchdown Bengals as Mixon takes it eleven yards into the 50 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: end zone for the Bengal score. That made it seven seven, 51 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: And at that point, the Bengals had run twenty plays 52 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: for one hundred forty one yards before Baker Mayfield had 53 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: even touched the ball. But when the Browns finally took 54 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: the field out offense, the Bengals couldn't stop them. Mayfield 55 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: hands it off to Chubb, trying to knife his way in. 56 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: No signal yet. The officials charge up the sideline and 57 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: now on the far side of the field, there's a touchdown. Signal. 58 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: Nick Chubb's two yard run gave Cleveland a fourteen seven lead, 59 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: and that lead grew The next time Cleveland got the ball, 60 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield under center Nick chubbs seven yards behind. Chubb 61 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: stands straight up and down, no hands on knees. May 62 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: Field fakes to him. Baker flings it deep down FA 63 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: He's got a receiver wide open. Taught at the fifteen 64 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: and streaking into the end zone is Donovan People's Jones 65 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: for a sixty yard touchdown b d Apple and beat 66 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: him badly. The Browns got rid of O b J 67 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: on Friday, but DPJ Donovan People's Jones gave Cleveland a 68 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: twenty one seven lead. Both meetings between these two teams 69 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,679 Speaker 1: last year were shootouts, but this time the Bengals kept 70 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: shooting themselves in the foot burrow against a four man rush. 71 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: Quick throw caught by Chap Paul's knocked out. Cleveland scoops 72 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: it up, running it back to the thirty and take 73 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: it out of bounds at the thirty yard line. John 74 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: Johnson knocked it out of there. Dan john Johnson put 75 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: his hat in his shoulder patch right on the football. 76 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: That's just a deadly tackle, right there. You gotta protect 77 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: the ball that led to a field goal to give 78 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: the Browns at twenty four to seven lead. And if 79 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: you go back to last week's game in New York 80 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: and toss out the Jets final drive when they ran 81 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: out the clock, it marked the eighth straight drive where 82 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: the opponents scored on Bengals defense. A Nevin McPherson field 83 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: goal at the end of the half made it twenty 84 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: four to ten Cleveland. Here's Joe Mixon. We just gotta 85 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 1: come out faster, man, come out faster, Gotta play with 86 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: more intensity, just gotta play Bengals football. And you know, 87 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: these last two games, we ain't been able to do that. 88 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: It's a lot of frustration, but at the same time, 89 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 1: we gotta keep everybody together. You gotta keep learning, keep building, 90 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 1: and uh we gotta prepare better, you know, as players 91 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: take it upon ourselves and just gotta do better. The 92 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: Bengals defense finally forced a punt on the Brown's first 93 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: drive of the third quarter, but the offense wasn't able 94 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: to capitalize. Burrow fakes a handball, He's in trouble. Miles 95 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: Garrett blew right around Jonah Williams and sacks Joe Burrow 96 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: back at the twenty four yard line. Oh Mirles Garrett 97 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: was setting setting it up, and Miles Garrett was, He's 98 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,559 Speaker 1: laying in the weeds and then all of a sudden, 99 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: you can block him for twenty twenty five plays and 100 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he comes off the edge 101 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: art on one play. He's got a myriad of moves, 102 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: There's no question about it. He's got explosiveness, he's got 103 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: a burst, He's got great hands. Here's one hell of 104 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: a football player. Garrett had one and a half sacks 105 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: to increase his league leading total to twelve. The Browns 106 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: had five sacks overall and hit Joe Burrow twelve times. 107 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: Here again is mixing me as a running back. You know, 108 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: I hate to see Burrow get hit in the limas 109 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: I hit it too, you know, also as well as 110 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: the tight ends. But we gotta take it up on ourselves, 111 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, keep Burrow clean. We gotta 112 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: keep him untouched. At that point, the Bengals were still 113 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: within fourteen points. They knew the Browns would try to 114 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: run the ball, but knowing it and stopping it are 115 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: two very different things. Mayfield under center chub lines up 116 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: seven yards behind tight end. Hooper motions from right to left. 117 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: Mayfield has the ball, hands it off to Chubb, gets 118 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: away from an ankle tackle and look at him go 119 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: see off to the races down the middle of the 120 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: field of the twenty the ten touchdown, seventy yards Nick 121 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: Chubb to the house. Wow, I'm telling you, Nick Chubb 122 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: can run you over and run away from you. This 123 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: guy has got power and he's got speed. Chubb finished 124 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: with one hundred thirty seven yards and only fourteen carries 125 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: in six career games against the Bengals. He's topped one 126 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: hundred yards in four of them. Here's Zach Taylor. We've 127 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: got to be better there when you're facing the team. Listen, 128 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: number one rushing team in the NFL. That's kind of 129 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: been their bread and butter, you know. And Chubb's a 130 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: fantastic running back. They've got a really good offensive line 131 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: and a good tight end group that blocks for him. 132 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: We knew we had our work cut out for us, 133 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: because that's what they've shown each each game that they've 134 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: played really over the last two years. So one of 135 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: the things you gotta do is is you gotta be 136 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: where you're supposed to be and you gotta be able 137 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: to put the back on the ground and we get 138 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: the opportunities. I did see a couple of times when 139 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: we had some opportunities, we missed those tackles. Another Borough 140 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: interception led to a field goal that made it thirty 141 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: four ten going to the fourth quarter. Joe Mixon scored 142 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: on a two yard run to make it thirty four 143 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: to sixteen, and Joe finished with one hundred ten combined 144 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: rushing and receiving yards, but that didn't mean much. An 145 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: eighteen yard touchdown pass from Baker Mayfield to David Najoku 146 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: made the final score forty one sixteen, almost identical to 147 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: the bengals forty one to seventeen win in Baltimore two 148 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: weeks ago. Here are Sam Hubbard and c j Uzama. 149 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: I think it just got out of hand, you know, turnovers, 150 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: got to take care of the ball, big plays, mistakes, 151 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: you know, just it's the NFL. It's a tough division. 152 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: You know. You see what happens when you let things 153 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: get out of hand. We're kind of on the other 154 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: side of it. Early in the season. Happened to us, 155 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: so we got to take it and learn from it. 156 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: We're pissed. Obviously, we just lost in a bad way 157 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: in front of our home crowd. But there's the stress level, 158 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: in the panic level, there's there's none, all right. We 159 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: know we have we know what we can still achieve, 160 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: and we just have to go out there and do it. 161 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, the Bengals were the number one playoff 162 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: seed in the AFC. Now they're a game and a 163 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: half behind the first place Ravens in the AFC North 164 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: and could fall a half game behind the Steelers if 165 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh beats the Bears at Hinz Field on Monday night. 166 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: It's obviously not what they were hoping for going into 167 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: their bye week, but they are five and four and 168 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: five of their last eight are at home. Here are 169 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor. Still got everything in front 170 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: of us. There's no panicking. We've lost two in a row, 171 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: so what now. We've got eight games left and still 172 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: a chance to win the division and make the playoffs. 173 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: So that's our folks going forward. I think that people 174 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: were going to try to paint a picture of overreaction 175 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: when you lose two games in a row. We're not. 176 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: You know, we're going to correct those things. That we 177 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: need to correct and use this bye week to get 178 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: our bodies back and make sure we're healthy going in 179 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: the back half of the season. But this isn't unusual 180 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: for teams to lose two games in a row in 181 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: this league. You know, it feels awful, trust me to 182 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: sit here after two consecutive losses, But I think it's 183 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: important that we're consistent with our approach throughout. We know 184 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: we've done some good things over this first nine games 185 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: the season, and so we'll make those corrections that we 186 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: need to make so that we're focused and can come 187 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: out strong after the buy. The first game after the 188 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: buy is on the road in Las Vegas. The Raiders 189 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: are five and three after losing to the Giants on Sunday. 190 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: They have a home game on Sunday Night Football next 191 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: week against the Kansas City Chiefs. The Bengals Booth podcast 192 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: is presented by Ultimate Bengals, the free to play fantasy 193 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: football game. 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Yeah, that 201 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: that's a tough one to tough one to figure out 202 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: because I don't know, I don't if they cracked the code. 203 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: I wonder what the code was. You know, it's like man, 204 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: and it looked like, you know, teams did it a 205 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: little bit differently. It looked like the Jets just attacked, 206 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, the perimeter in the in the short areas 207 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: of the football field by throwing the football. I mean 208 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns did what they do, They ran it, 209 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, Baker Mayfield just played off of 210 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: that and only threw it twenty one times. You completed 211 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: fourteen of them. For tune in eighteen yards when I 212 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: mean Chubb almost has ten yards of rush, fourteen carries, 213 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty seven yards, two touchdowns. Seventy yard 214 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: touchdown run will do that for you, There's no doubt 215 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: about it. I Mean, like we said, Dan, the seventy 216 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: yard touchdown run, people's jones sixty yard touchdown catch. They 217 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: had four other plays, five other plays of over twenty 218 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: one yards, and you know they only ran for the 219 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: for the entire football game. The only we're in forty 220 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: six plays had two hundred sixty one three hundred and 221 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: sixty one yards on forty six snaps. It it was 222 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: a dismantling There's there's no doubt about it. But I 223 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what it is that the 224 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: teams have figured out here. But you mentioned a couple 225 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: times during the course of the game where eight straight 226 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: drives between the Jets and the and the Cleveland Browns 227 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: that they they score I mean eight straight before a 228 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: punt stopped that streak or was it ten drives before 229 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: a punt stopped the streak? Well, the overall stat is 230 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: in a ten drive span, not including the end of 231 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 1: the Jets game where they just ran out of the clock. 232 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: In a ten drive span between the two games, the 233 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: Bengals defense forced one punt, gave up nine scores. Wow, 234 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: that's um. That's problematic to say the least, and it 235 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: changes the whole complexion of the buye. I mean, they've 236 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: got a going to take apart what they've done and 237 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: put it back together again. They have to have to 238 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: figure out they got some work ahead of them. Um, 239 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: going into the bye with two straight losses and one 240 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: of them a division loss by by quite a margin. 241 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: That that that's that's concerning to say the least. We 242 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: set it on the pregame show going into the game 243 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 1: with a buy ahead. You're either six and three with 244 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: a three and oz record in the division where you 245 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: can kick back, relax, go on vacation, whatever you want 246 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: to do during the bye, or you're five and four, 247 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: you've lost two straight games where you were favored to win, 248 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: and you might have a hard time sleeping for the 249 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: next week. Yeah, I mean there's there's a I think 250 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: I think a lot of sports psychologists are going to 251 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: make money during the bye week as as players and 252 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: coaches visit these uh these guys it Um, you know. 253 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: I think what you have to do, though, is maybe 254 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: go back and really break tape down during the successful run, 255 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: and break tape down during the run where they've had 256 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: some struggles, and really put a fine tooth comb to 257 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: what people are doing differently and what you might need 258 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: to do. Sometimes the adjustments aren't as as apparent and 259 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: as easy as as uh as you might think. I guess, 260 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: and they need to need to just look over, you know, 261 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: over all of it and evaluate it and be really 262 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: truthful and honest and and maybe make some decisions on 263 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: how they divide playing time amongst some players. They may 264 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: determine that you know what, this hasn't been just for 265 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: a series. This has been for two games in a 266 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: row now that I haven't gotten the production and I 267 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: need at this position or that position, or you can't 268 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: make wholesale personnel changes. Um, and you don't want to 269 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: do anything. Um you know, a knee jerk reaction type thing. 270 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: But man, you I think you just have to study 271 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: it from A to Z and uh and make as 272 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: many adjustments and changes and make as many tough decisions 273 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: as you possibly need to make. I love Joe Burrow. 274 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: You love Joe Burrow. The fan base loves Joe Burrow. 275 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: There's no quarterback I would rather have going forward than 276 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. And he's not perfect. Nobody is. But that 277 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: first interception, you can't make that throw. It's third down 278 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: and goal from the three. I don't know what he 279 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: saw because Denzel Ward was right there. I don't know 280 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: how he didn't see him unless you know, you look 281 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: at the angle with a pass rush that you don't 282 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: know if he was blocked out. I mean, the only 283 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: thing I can figure is that he just didn't see 284 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: him the way it was apparent that he should have 285 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: been seen. Because yeah, that that one, it's not like 286 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: he even had to really break on it. He just 287 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: kind of just had to catch it and run. So 288 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: that that one was a was a backbreaker for sure. 289 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: And that's a fourteen point swing, you know, it's it's 290 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: but the fact is you come right back and you 291 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: score a touchdown, go right down the field again and 292 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: score a touchdown, and you know you run twenty snaps 293 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: and puts seven points on the board. Fourteen really seven 294 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: for them and seven for you. Before they even take 295 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: the field offensively. Boy, once they once the Cleveland brownse 296 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: took the field offensively, though, they couldn't wait to show 297 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: you what they had. You know, they had a good 298 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: game plan and they were anxious to let it unfold. 299 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: Tough day for Jamar Chase. Costly fumble a couple of 300 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: deep balls, poluting one in the end zone that should 301 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: have been caught. Another deep ball that could have been 302 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: caught It would have been a great catch if he 303 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: had held on. But unfortunately, as brilliant as he's been 304 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: to this point of his rookie year, this was not 305 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: a great day for him. Yeah, he's been streaky, you know, 306 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: you look at he had a bad streak at training camp. 307 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: Then he put together a good streak of a few games. 308 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: But he dropped a touchdown pass against the Jets as well, 309 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: right in the end zone him right in the chest. 310 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: He let it get in his shoulder pads and bounced 311 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: off his chest. He dropped, you know, a couple of 312 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: balls today and you know, other another throw that would 313 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: have been a great catch, there's no question. But in 314 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: this league, when you get two hands on the football, 315 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, most receivers are going to say, actually catch 316 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: that football. So, yeah, he's he's in a streak that's 317 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: that's not very good. Again, maybe the bye week is 318 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: coming at a very opportune time for him. Maybe it's 319 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: coming at an opportune time for a few guys. That 320 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: The one thing though, Dan is they've been remarkably healthy, 321 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: you know, and uh and the bye week they should 322 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: even get more healthy. So when they come back after 323 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: the bye week, it's not like they're waiting for guys 324 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: to rehab and key components to come back to the 325 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: to the football team. And I guess you can look 326 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: at it two ways. You can look at it and say, oh, 327 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: they're healthy, and they still have had a tough two 328 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: game stretch. You know, if if, if, if injuries could 329 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: explain it, that'd be an easy in explanation. But that's 330 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: not the case. But they they have time to lick 331 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: their wounds. They're not physical, they're mental. And uh, you know, 332 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: I'll guarantee you the coaches are going to be burning 333 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: some midnight oil here in the early stages of the 334 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: bye week. I mean, they're gonna take some time with 335 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: their families. They deserve it. Um Zach said you on 336 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: the postgame show that players are given him everything they 337 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: have and he has no issues, no questions, no problems 338 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: with that the effort that they've given. And I agree. 339 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: When I look at the tape, I don't see guys 340 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: not playing hard. I see guys not executing proper technique. 341 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: I see guys, you know, making mental errors. I see mistakes. 342 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: I see guys not playing smart enough. But I don't 343 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: it's not a case of guys you know, just putting 344 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: it in cruise control and not playing hard. They are 345 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: playing hard. We know the Browns are a talented team. 346 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: They played today like the team they're supposed to be. 347 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: Unfortunately the Bengals did not get them on a bad day. 348 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: Let's talk about a cheam Identagy. I know he spoke 349 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: to him after the game. What did you make of 350 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: the fact that he started in place of Jackson Carman 351 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: at right guard? And how do you think he did? 352 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: I thought he acquitted himself pretty darn well. Now he's 353 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: his own toughest critic. So he said, there are you know, 354 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: there are a few plays, and there always are. You know, 355 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: in a seventy play sequence of a football game, you're 356 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: not gonna have seventy perfect plays. But I bet you 357 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: he had sixty five that are probably, you know, more 358 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: than passable. And I think what it boiled down to 359 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: was they were excited about him before he get hurt, 360 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: and then when he came back, his feet are so 361 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: good and his balance is so good, and he has 362 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: he has really athletic system and strength. So you think, man, 363 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta use this guy somewhere. And he 364 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: hadn't played right guard he's in a long time, and 365 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: they threw him in there. I thought, maybe, you know, 366 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: the two weeks of practice that he came back, Frank 367 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: Pollock's like, I gotta play this guy. I mean, he 368 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: must have just made the decision. This guys shown me 369 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: too much physically. I got to see what he can 370 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: do in a game, because he leap frog everybody. You know, 371 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: he leap frog carm and he leap frog Hill. You know, 372 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him a right guard. And I thought 373 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: he might rotate maybe you know, not every series rotate, 374 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: but maybe get a blow here and there. He played 375 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: twenty quick plays and played seventy plays, uh, you know, 376 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: in a football game where he had not played a 377 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: physical battle like that in quite a while. So that 378 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: that's a pretty good tribute to him. And um, you know, 379 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: it shows the kind of confidence that his teammates and 380 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: his line coach and everybody has in him. And he 381 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: couldn't have been more effusive in his praise of you know, 382 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: the veteran guys around him, the Riley Reeese and you 383 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: know Trey Hawkins, you know, helping him, and and that 384 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: that that is I mean, it was the same way 385 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: for Jackson Carmen and Trey Hill, anybody in there. So 386 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: having having those bookend veteran guys is so helpful there. 387 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: The loss to Cleveland makes the loss to the Jets 388 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: hurt that much more up by eleven midway through the 389 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: fourth quarter, if they just hold on and win that game, Yeah, 390 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: a twenty five point loss at home to the Browns 391 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: would have stung, but at least big picture, he still 392 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: would have felt great. Now that Jets game, you really 393 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: kick yourself for letting that one get away. Yeah, it's like, 394 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: all right, up eleven, seven minutes to go up five, 395 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, three minutes and forty seconds or whatever, and 396 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: you can't finish. UM. So now you combine not being 397 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: able to finish against the team that you should have beaten, UM, 398 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: and you follow it up with a division loss. The 399 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: magnitude of this one, it's a it's a double whammy. 400 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: It's a second kick in the butt. So you don't 401 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: have much time to recover from the first one. You 402 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: take that second one. So you know, maybe I know it, 403 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: I know it's uh, it's tough to go into a 404 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,239 Speaker 1: bye with this type of down feeling, but maybe they 405 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: maybe they need to, Like I said, maybe they need 406 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: to just um rip, take some things out of what 407 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: they're doing and add some some additional things and work 408 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,479 Speaker 1: on it during the bye week. And you have two 409 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: weeks to for the next opponent, um and you just 410 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, get ready and fine tune yourself for the 411 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: second half of the season. You really don't have any choice, 412 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think you continue along the same 413 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: lines that you've played the last couple of games. It 414 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: hasn't worked. So it does give you time to go 415 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: back to the football lab and take out some other 416 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, primary elements and raw materials and formulate something 417 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: and put it together for the second half of the season. 418 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: Then the players can rest and uh, you know, rest 419 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: their minds and bodies and get ready to give maximum 420 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: effort the second half of the season. No game next Sunday, 421 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: a trip to Vegas the following Sunday. Are you Dave 422 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: Lapham a Vegas guy? I've been there. I've been there 423 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: a couple of times. I'll play some blackjack, I've done that. 424 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to seeing Allegian though. I mean 425 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: that edifice looks like it's mind boggling just to see 426 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: some of these these stadiums are just I mean, they're 427 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: just unbelievable pieces of architecture what they're doing now with 428 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: these stadiums, and I'm looking forward to seeing that. But yeah, 429 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: I mean Vegas is you see, you see all kinds 430 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: of things in Vegas. There's no doubt. Sometimes you want 431 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: to forget some of the things you've seen in Vegas 432 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: or heard in Vegas or whatever. But yeah, I've been 433 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: there on a couple of occasions, and you know, sometimes 434 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: myself and some of the people I've been with have 435 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: done well and sometimes not too well at all. I'm 436 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: in the not well at all category when it comes 437 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: to my track record in Vegas. All Right, disappointing day 438 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: five and four, take the break, Move on five and four. 439 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: Still have a got your head above water in terms 440 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: of above five hundred and eight games to finish it 441 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: out and finish strong. If you go two and one 442 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: in the division the second half of the season, worst 443 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: case scenario like you did in the first half of 444 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: the season four and two, depending on how you handle 445 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: your other business, could put you in in pretty good shape. 446 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: You know, you're looking at you're looking at being able 447 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: to hang in there and all you want to do 448 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: is get in the tournament. You know you want to 449 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: get in the postseason tournament. That's what it's all about. 450 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: And then you never know because I mean, Jacksonville beats 451 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,479 Speaker 1: Buffalo nine to six. Come on, I mean the National 452 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: Football League is just when you think you know you 453 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: have no clue, you have no clue. More on the 454 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: game and the season to date. Join Lap and Lance 455 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: McAlister for Bengals Line Monday night from six to nine seven. 456 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: Add WLW. Now time for this week's fun Facts segment, 457 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: where you get to know the person under the pads. 458 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: Time for some fun facts with rookie Jackson Carmen, born 459 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: and raised in the Cincinnati area, now a rookie on 460 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: the offensive line. Let's start with your musical ability. What 461 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: instruments do you play and how did you learn to 462 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: play them? I played a lot of different instruments, my 463 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: best instruments being guitar, drums, piano, banjo, ukulele, basically any 464 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: percussive instrument. And I feel like if there's an instrument 465 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: I don't know, I can teach myself how to play it. 466 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: So if you want to press somebody by playing a 467 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: song on piano or guitar, whatever it might be. What's 468 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: your go to? Really? Uh? I love to improvise its 469 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: like freestyle, make stuff on my own. But I listened 470 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: to just about every genre of music, so I can 471 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: pull from just about any type of music people who 472 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: don't listen to so it's really up to the person listening. 473 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 1: I know your mom is a talented singer. Was that 474 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,719 Speaker 1: talent passed down? It was? Do you want to give 475 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: us an example? Not right now, but I do. I 476 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: will have later some music being released, not anytime soon 477 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: during the season, but it was coming sentence. Let I'll 478 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: let that. I'll let it get worked on first. Why 479 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I wanted to be a 480 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: final product, fair enough, something for us to look forward to. 481 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: We're doing fun facts with Jackson Carmen. You're a big man. 482 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: Were you always the biggest kid in the neighborhood? Yes? Always. 483 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: I was born like nine plus pounds. It's been big 484 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: my whole entire life. Was allowed to run the football 485 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: and peewee, so I had to take the ball from 486 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: the running backs while I was played d line. But yeah, 487 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: I've been in big my whole life. In youth sports, 488 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: did the parents of the opposing team want to see 489 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: your person against every game. As a matter of fact, 490 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: that even when I first started playing football, I was 491 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: playing up as a third grader with the fifth and 492 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: sixth graders, and even their parents are asking for birth certificates. 493 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 1: It's a compliment, no way, it is. Most definitely we're 494 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: doing fun facts at Jackson Carmen. You started Fairfield High School. 495 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: You're one of the top twenty recruits in the country. 496 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: Did you enjoy the attention or was it a little 497 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: bit overwhelming? I could definitely say a bit of both, 498 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: especially like this being so young. But the most important 499 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: thing was like the whole experience was just like a 500 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: learning lesson for me, just like just growing in mature 501 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: as young man and being able to just like see 502 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: more of the world. And really, I feel like once 503 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: football started to pick up for me, so they like 504 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: kind of my curiosity just like to see the world 505 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: more and get out and experience things. So definitely football 506 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: provided that opportunity for me. He chose Clemson, hard to 507 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: argue with the decision. Played in a couple of national 508 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: championship games, won a championship as a freshman. What are 509 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: your most vivid memories of that first perfect season honestly, 510 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: just like how unrealistic it felt. And I remember thinking that, 511 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: like while I was on the team, like, man, we're 512 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: blowing everybody out by like forty and fifty all the 513 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 1: way up until the Natty, you know what I mean. So, 514 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: like I just really was enjoying and just trying to 515 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: learn as much as possible there year. So when you 516 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: win a national championship in college football, you get to 517 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: go to the White House. What was that experience? Like? 518 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: The experience was very eye open as well, and I 519 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: got to learn a lot, to see a lot of 520 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: cool things. And it was funny too, because I remember 521 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: we were sorry McDonald's and someone made a tweet and 522 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: I went viral. But it was all It was all 523 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: good and it was a good experience for me. I 524 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: remember that now as a government shutdown, some President Trump 525 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: paid for McDonald's and Burger Gang and pizza. Not exactly 526 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: the feast you expect when you go to an event 527 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: at the White House, right, I was just happy to 528 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: be there. I don't blame you, we'd all I love 529 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: that opportunity. So last year, in your third and final 530 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: year at Clemson, you played the last five games with 531 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: a back injury and had surgery after the season for 532 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: herniated disk. How bad was the pain? Pain was really bad. 533 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: The pain affected me just like in my day to 534 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: day life, like I was walking with a limp. It 535 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: hurt to go to sleep, It heart sitting meetings, like 536 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: I couldn't even sit straight up in meetings. I had 537 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: to like stand up every like a couple of minutes. 538 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: It's hard to drive, and even just mentally, you know 539 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like just knowing that there's like something 540 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: you're doing when you don't know what's wrong with it. 541 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: It's kind of tough, but definitely feel like that pain, 542 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, grew me mentally and definitely 543 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: a more concept of all those things now and I 544 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: feel much more prepared head into the future. So last 545 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: year a lot of top NFL prospects opted out due 546 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: to COVID nineteen You kept playing with a herniated disc? 547 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: Why for me? I really just loved my teammates and 548 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: I loved the game of self of football, and I 549 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: realized the opportunity that I had in front of me, 550 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: and at the time I didn't know it was a 551 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: herniated disc. But still like was playing through it regardless, 552 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: and it's just kind of just like, that's kind of 553 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: the player I've always been. I've always just been like 554 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: tough and nasty, you know what I mean. And not 555 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: saying that I would advise anybody to do that, but 556 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: I feel like I definitely showed my street character through 557 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: those moments. I'm sure teammates and coaches appreciated it. We're 558 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: doing fun facts with Jackson Carmen. I'm a sucker for 559 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: good draft night footage, and yours was awesome, especially the 560 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: long embrace with your mom after the pick was announced. 561 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: Described that night, Man, that night was really just very emotional, 562 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: and I was just super grateful for everything happening, and 563 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: just like being able to take that individual moment in 564 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: and just like sit on in chaffit and not worry 565 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: about anything else, just be able to just like taking 566 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: being surrounded by family and friends and you know what 567 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying, everything just being positive. I mean throughout thought 568 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: the entirety of the night, it was just great. So 569 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: that's definitely night I'll never forget. You genuinely seem thrilled 570 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: to be staying with your hometown team. Is that the case? 571 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: Most definitely and just like one is the place I 572 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: was born in and so that's always an awesome opportunity 573 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: to be be able to represent the place that you're from. 574 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: And also just know I was gonna be like around 575 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: my family and friends, and also I just have a 576 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: lot more opportunity outside the football being in Cincinnati, and 577 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: just like excited about our team and about who we 578 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: got here. Like I knew team was here, I knew 579 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: DJ was coming, I knew, uh, you know what I'm saying. 580 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: Joe obviously whooked us in the championship, So it's uh, 581 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: I knew what we had, Like I knew what we 582 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,239 Speaker 1: had building, and I was really excited about it. You 583 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: are looking to follow on the footsteps of two at 584 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: the greatest offensive lineman and team history, and you had 585 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: relationships with Anthony Munios and Willie Anderson before being drafted 586 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: by Cincinnati. What do you admire and respect about those 587 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: two guys? Those two guys are just like I think 588 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: the thing I admire inspect the most about him. It's 589 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: kind of like how I try to carry myself is 590 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: that even though they're both probably some of the greatest 591 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: wild players that ever played the game, they will still 592 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: talk to you, just like I'm talking to you right now, 593 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: just like you're talking to me, just like as a 594 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: man and man. And they're just so humble and insightful 595 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: and wise and always have something good to say. And 596 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: it's encouraged and knowing that, like even though they're so 597 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: great and they're so like awesome, like they're still just 598 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: like you and me, you know what I mean. So 599 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: that gives you like a belief in yourself that you're 600 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: able to do good things as well. So definitely have 601 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: a lot of left about those guys. Apparently, several hours 602 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: before the Bengals chose you, they reached out to Willie 603 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: Anderson just for one final conversation, is this the guy 604 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: we should take? And clearly he gave you his stamp 605 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: of approval? What did that mean? Man? That means the world, honestly, 606 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: And just like for a guy like will It even 607 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: like say something about me in that regard is already 608 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: honored within itself, and so like, I'm definitely glad everything 609 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: worked out the way it did, and I'm very appreciative 610 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: of the role that Willie's played in my life. All Right, 611 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: a few wild card topics for Jackson Carmen aside from music, 612 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: Do you have any other hidden talents? Yes, I feel 613 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: like I feel like my number one talent is just 614 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: like learning, And I really don't feel like I'm like 615 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: multiple talents. I just feel like that time allows me 616 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: to be able to do like anything I can put 617 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: my mind too, and so like I love to cook, 618 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: I love to like travel and do like acts stuff 619 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: outside like surfing, waight surfing, jet skiing and snowboarding and 620 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: stuff like that. I love to I mean, I honestly 621 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: I feel like I can do anything. So and that's 622 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: not from like a cocky place, but that's just from 623 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: I don't like to limit myself, like on my mind, 624 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,719 Speaker 1: like people say I can't do this, so I couldn't 625 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: pick myself. I couldn't picture myself doing that. I'll just 626 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: go and try it, you know what I mean, and 627 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: be able to learn it as I go. I've seen 628 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: footage on the Internet of your water skiing world's most 629 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: talented big Man and water scared. You know, it's so 630 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: crazy because everyone makes jokes about that. But at the 631 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: same time, like sports like that definitely translate the football directly, 632 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: and just like being on the water so much on 633 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: a board you just find a different level of balance 634 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: and different levels just like kind of body awareness, you 635 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean, And those things definitely translate. So 636 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: that's why I always encourage kids or just people to 637 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: be able to just like go out and try things 638 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: and just like just learn have new experiences because it's 639 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: not gonna do anything for you but help you after 640 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,479 Speaker 1: being a second round draft picking of a little bit 641 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: of spending money to work with. Is there anything you'd 642 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: like to splurge on. I'm not really like a huge splurger, 643 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: but I do. I do love good food, like high 644 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: quality food or made food. I definitely consider myself a 645 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: food critic, and so like I've been to I've been 646 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: like just going around all the steakhouses in Cincinnati kind 647 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: of making a little personal review book for him when 648 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: my release later. Gotta get a Carmen. I'm the Jeff 649 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: Ruby menu, but most definitely do mostly what would be 650 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: on the Carmen. That's that's another thing we gotta wait 651 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: till that comes out to see. Fair enough, if you 652 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: could meet anybody in history, athlete, entertainer, statesman, whoever it 653 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: might be, who would that person be? Leonardo da Vinci 654 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: probably him a renaissance man, just like you. Multi talented. Yeah, 655 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: he's just a genius and he's super like this didn't 656 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: stop himself from doing anything, you know what I mean, 657 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,959 Speaker 1: and influence the world. Excellent answer. I appreciate your time. 658 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: Congratulations on a great start. Best of luck the rest 659 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: of the year. Likewise, I appreciate you. That's want to 660 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: do it for this episode of The Bengals Booth Podcast 661 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: brought to you by Ultimate Bengals. 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