Speaker 1: With Jenny Garth and Tory Spelling. You know what's going
Speaker 1: to be fun? What talking to John Sears today? We
Speaker 1: have him on the the one and Only Paul Joe Hansen. Yep,
Speaker 1: he played the confident in brash John Sears on the
Speaker 1: fourth season and uh we have a little talk with
Speaker 1: him right about now. Very exciting. Okay, this is Jack.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, we're really excited to see you too. Is
Speaker 1: that a Bengal? I have to ask my girlfriend what
Speaker 1: this is. It's this, It's just she saved it from
Speaker 1: a homeless person on the side of the road and
Speaker 1: paid twenty dollars for Jack when she was I guess
Speaker 1: two weeks old, really really little, and so you know,
Speaker 1: news were of the family and we'll attack me during
Speaker 1: this whole conversation, perfect full feral mode. Wow, it's so great. Toe.
Speaker 1: When's the last time we laid eyes on you? At
Speaker 1: Iron Zeering screening of his movie in Bank Shark Nado
Speaker 1: Noe Zomombie Zombie that was recent Zombie Apocalypse. Yes, it's like,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, like a year ago. I here, it seems
Speaker 1: like ten years ago to me. I know, right, How
Speaker 1: are you guys? We're good? Thank you for being on
Speaker 1: the show. I'm really flattered to be invited, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you. You were on to I know for
Speaker 1: a really long time. How many episodes do you doo? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Uncle Aaron Tory's dad called me and said, all right,
Speaker 1: I got one for your kid. I'm like, great, Wait,
Speaker 1: what did you guys? Had you worked with him before?
Speaker 1: Obviously I knew him through Jason and and I had
Speaker 1: done Perker Lewis before that. And I think loan some
Speaker 1: dove this series, and and you know, I gotta be
Speaker 1: honest with you. I missed those phone calls so much.
Speaker 1: He would call me, and he was always so sweet
Speaker 1: and so like like he was doing like I was
Speaker 1: doing him a favor to come work for him, like
Speaker 1: as as if right, And I love that vibe that
Speaker 1: he gave me all the time. I got another one
Speaker 1: for your kid. He was really sweet. So you were
Speaker 1: friends with Jason before, right? Yeah. I don't know if
Speaker 1: Jason told you guys this story, but you know, we
Speaker 1: um we actually had a manager. But then Frank Leavy,
Speaker 1: who was a sweet guy who saw me in something
Speaker 1: that I've done in Vancouver and saw Jason's could be
Speaker 1: like this sort of like test audition thing, and he
Speaker 1: flew us both down and basically put us in an apartment,
Speaker 1: paid for our apartment, paid for it, gave us a
Speaker 1: car to use, paid for acting classes, paid for cars
Speaker 1: and drivers, random visions, paid her voice lessons to get
Speaker 1: rid of our Canadian accent, and um he just literally
Speaker 1: threw himself into believing that he was going to get
Speaker 1: his money back. And about three years into that, he
Speaker 1: had an aneurysm on the set of one of the
Speaker 1: movies he was producing, and he died. And he was
Speaker 1: the kindest, sweetest, most generous guys. Name was Frank Levy,
Speaker 1: and literally he started us off and he managed Greg
Speaker 1: green Harrison's career for years. Just a great man. You know,
Speaker 1: back in the days when people were like kind of developing,
Speaker 1: you know, talent, right, I had talent? Did you live
Speaker 1: with Brad Pitt too? I was at club that was
Speaker 1: Jason and Bernie Coulson. Wilson was the little blonde boy
Speaker 1: in the Accused with Jodie Foster. Wonderful actor, and he
Speaker 1: had done a movie with with Brad in um In
Speaker 1: in Vancouver and ABC After School Special, and so Brad
Speaker 1: was kind of running around hanging out with us quite
Speaker 1: a bit, and Jack wants to get involved, and um
Speaker 1: so I was guesting in that that sort of crash
Speaker 1: apartment with Brad and Bernie and Jason, and it was
Speaker 1: kind of you know, you know, you knew us backt then.
Speaker 1: We were like unhinged and you know, right, and you know,
Speaker 1: thinking that the world was going to be ours one day,
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, I'll tell you one thing about
Speaker 1: Brad though. He came over one day with an audition
Speaker 1: for a for a movie that I had just auditioned for.
Speaker 1: And I was told that. I was like, when like
Speaker 1: their top choice? And I was, you know, I was
Speaker 1: feeling myself back then. I was like, you know, walking
Speaker 1: tall into life. M And he comes in and he
Speaker 1: said yeah, and so he asked me and Jason we're
Speaker 1: running lines with them, and it was thumb on Louise,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Clearly I don't know, I mean, it
Speaker 1: was his because it was always I believe in those things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you do, two tories, Destiny, I do. It worked out
Speaker 1: the way it's supposed to work out. But wait, twenty
Speaker 1: two episodes episodes you were on she did an audition
Speaker 1: for this. My dad just called and was like, I
Speaker 1: got one for you. He had me come in, but
Speaker 1: he kind of told me anything you hear Jack walks
Speaker 1: across the keyboard every two seconds, we can't hear it.
Speaker 1: You can't hear you know. I did have to come in,
Speaker 1: and as I was going in, there was a guy
Speaker 1: outside who told me Um. He was another actor and
Speaker 1: he was auditioning for the part. And he told me
Speaker 1: Um that he had heard that I had already got
Speaker 1: the job. And I felt like, oh, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's all good man, Like, you know, no, I'm sure
Speaker 1: that's not true. So I always you know how we are,
Speaker 1: We're always trying to make everyone feel good about themselves
Speaker 1: and downplaying it. But I kind of was like, really
Speaker 1: happy to hear that. Yeah, I think we went through
Speaker 1: the process. Wait one more thing. You I thought you
Speaker 1: were Canadian, but you were not Canadian. You are born
Speaker 1: in the US, born in Spokan right. My dad was
Speaker 1: played hockey for the Red Wings and played played professional
Speaker 1: hockey about his life, and then when he retired, he
Speaker 1: moved us back to Canada, where he was from. So
Speaker 1: I did. I grew up in Canada for ten years
Speaker 1: before I relocated back to Los Angeles and in those
Speaker 1: ten years you developed a Canadian accent that you had
Speaker 1: to lose once. You've got all kinds of Canadian things
Speaker 1: like it's self effacing humor, hockey right saying I'm sorry
Speaker 1: all the time, canadianism. Yeah. Have you guys shot in Canada,
Speaker 1: I'm sure? Yeah, yeah, Vancouver mostly we did the reboot,
Speaker 1: um bhin in Vancouver. You did, Oh wow, it looks
Speaker 1: like Beverly Hills. Yeah, sure, why not? Barely looked that
Speaker 1: much like Beverly Hills. But we had a great time.
Speaker 1: They had to bring in fake palm trees and then
Speaker 1: it was like, oh it's Beverly Hills. Yeah, big palm
Speaker 1: trees for Beverly Hills. Let's stay on the on the
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. Not two other questions before we move on,
Speaker 1: because we want to ask you more. But what did
Speaker 1: you think of John's ears? Like, what was your impression
Speaker 1: of that character? Um? Well, first off, we have to
Speaker 1: remember that we're young actors then, and so what we
Speaker 1: know now, UM, is that you have to sort of
Speaker 1: put it into perspective. So what I understood back then
Speaker 1: was it was the groundbreaking show for its It was
Speaker 1: like the you know, the first of its kind it
Speaker 1: broke the network. It created, Um, you know the genre
Speaker 1: that I ended up doing, um, One Tree Hill for
Speaker 1: ten years on. You know, that was the genre that
Speaker 1: created the opportunity for those shows to be So I
Speaker 1: think what I thought about the character was that, um,
Speaker 1: it was complicated because I kind of knew I was
Speaker 1: gonna be kind of a bad dude, but I didn't
Speaker 1: realize there would be because they don't really tell you
Speaker 1: where they're going to go with it. But you know,
Speaker 1: it didn't really bother me that much that I had
Speaker 1: to sort of like go to places that that I'm
Speaker 1: not really personally comfortable with because I've always felt that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of my job to reflect society
Speaker 1: and to not pass judgment on the roles that I play. Um,
Speaker 1: there's certain things that I won't do. But you know,
Speaker 1: at that time, you know, I think that what we
Speaker 1: were doing we were sort of bringing, and especially that
Speaker 1: show was bringing a lot of things like you know, um,
Speaker 1: you know, there's there was drug abuse, there was you know,
Speaker 1: sexual abuse. There's all kinds of things that that show
Speaker 1: was pointing fingers at, and I thought those are important things.
Speaker 1: And I think when you have to be the guy
Speaker 1: who's playing the bad person. It's important you know that
Speaker 1: you're not holding back, you know. I mean, Jen, you
Speaker 1: and I had some scenes together. There was a scene
Speaker 1: that was pretty uncomfortable where I was supposed to be
Speaker 1: pushing myself on you in the bedroom, you know, and
Speaker 1: you know we hadn't got so just so you know,
Speaker 1: episode airs, she does not remember. It's a great it's
Speaker 1: a great promo. This episode airs. You're still like just
Speaker 1: had your first kiss. But it's so weird because you're
Speaker 1: really aggressive, You're like kind of stalking me. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I was directed that way. You know, that
Speaker 1: was really the way that it was. It was that episode.
Speaker 1: Do you remember Richard Gallance know that he wrote it. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Richard Lange, Richard Lan Richard he directed
Speaker 1: a lot of episodes which and we loved him. So
Speaker 1: that was our question because we just watched that episode
Speaker 1: back and we wanted to know if you were directed
Speaker 1: that way, because we felt like Kelly wouldn't have gone
Speaker 1: for like the way you came onto her. It was
Speaker 1: a little creepy, and we're like, hey, why wasn't John
Speaker 1: Sears going out at a different angle to try to
Speaker 1: make her think he was nice, like that came up,
Speaker 1: that conversation came up with with the director, and I said,
Speaker 1: and I think that we talked about it, and I
Speaker 1: think the way that it was done was, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think that we're fully developed at that age,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean as as like aware of
Speaker 1: people's intentions and things. We're young. I think kids now
Speaker 1: are way ahead and where we were. Don't you think
Speaker 1: we're a little more native? And I think there was
Speaker 1: some conversation revolving around that idea that it's like that
Speaker 1: thing where oh, he said, well girls like the bad boys,
Speaker 1: girls like the bad boys, and that was reinforced in
Speaker 1: sort of the rule that I was playing. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Well, you're dangerous and and that's what's
Speaker 1: a technology. You're different than other guys. You know, It's
Speaker 1: like okay, so I would play into that sort of mechanism.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? But I feel like Kelly, that
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been enough for Kelly. And I'm after watching
Speaker 1: that episode just really not stoked that Kelly kissed John
Speaker 1: while she's with Dylan, Like, I don't know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. Clearly, you say something happens, and I think
Speaker 1: something bad actually happens between the two characters that that
Speaker 1: leaves it in a bad way. And then also you
Speaker 1: end up having beef with the with Steve's character. I do,
Speaker 1: and I got a lot of I got a lot
Speaker 1: of bad hate mail for the kiss? Did you that
Speaker 1: on the on the back? I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: remember then. I remember you used to be mail on
Speaker 1: that email. It used to be Yeah, they had to
Speaker 1: send it with a stamp and everything. I would have
Speaker 1: sent a bad email a letter at that point as
Speaker 1: a viewer, like I would have been like, I don't
Speaker 1: like this. I don't like what's happening. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's interesting and it makes like for conflicts. I
Speaker 1: get it. But but you know, guys like you know
Speaker 1: when you're when you're an actor in Hollywood and this
Speaker 1: is the early nineties and you're trying to make your
Speaker 1: bones and trying to get people to you know, at
Speaker 1: least recognize your you know your abilities, and you you
Speaker 1: would never pass up on a roll on a show
Speaker 1: like this just because you might have some you know, reservation.
Speaker 1: What you're trying to do is trying to work it
Speaker 1: out in a way that you can find. I had
Speaker 1: a way to play that character without making it you know,
Speaker 1: um uh completely despicable, and that's what I was hoping
Speaker 1: to do. You know. Well, clearly it was effective. You
Speaker 1: made an impression on a lot of people enough for
Speaker 1: them write letters. But you also made an impression enough
Speaker 1: to for to lead to a really great gig after
Speaker 1: and not not too I know for you, which was
Speaker 1: One Tree Hill. Well, I mean that was many years later,
Speaker 1: wasn't I think? When did we finish? I finished on
Speaker 1: your show in ninety five four, and then I went
Speaker 1: on into this series in Paris for a year, m
Speaker 1: a spinoff of Highlander, and then I did Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I did um, did a bunch of shows for
Speaker 1: for your dad after that. But then, thinking with you,
Speaker 1: I loved working with him too. I was you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I've lost both my parents and I'll tell
Speaker 1: you something like they were always um the kind of
Speaker 1: parents that that I liked about him, Like he was
Speaker 1: just kind of super supportive of me and I could
Speaker 1: do no wrong. You know. He has had a good
Speaker 1: thought and always had something great to say in super
Speaker 1: positive just and he always like just send me messages,
Speaker 1: sweet messages. You know, like, great job kid, just just
Speaker 1: a little pump, you know, just a little shot in
Speaker 1: the arm. Yeah, really sweet. I think it was two
Speaker 1: thousand and three. It was when I started on One
Speaker 1: Tree Hill and then we went to two thousand and eleven.
Speaker 1: That's a great run. It was a big run and
Speaker 1: I had a really really good time and right, but
Speaker 1: John Sears really was the you know, the seed which
Speaker 1: became that character down at Scott you know, which was Mr.
Speaker 1: Total Villain. I was like the you know, worldwide villain
Speaker 1: dude for ever. I mean, and that was It's funny
Speaker 1: because people drew a real correlation between the two characters
Speaker 1: and there is a huge one. Wow. Yeah. What do
Speaker 1: you remember about being like on the set? I mean
Speaker 1: because you were friends. You were there with Jason who
Speaker 1: had history with and like was it a good experience
Speaker 1: on the SATNA too? I know, even though your character
Speaker 1: is a little well, I mean, you know, it was interesting.
Speaker 1: I was around for a little bit of the drama days.
Speaker 1: You know, there was some drama. Drama are you talking
Speaker 1: about drama? Yeah? What drama? We should say? Which one
Speaker 1: you gons? I gotta go? Um, there was some you know,
Speaker 1: I think people were um, we're I think, you know, look,
Speaker 1: you guys were all such. I went with Jason on
Speaker 1: a lot of events because at that point him and
Speaker 1: I had spent a tremendous amount of time together and
Speaker 1: he was very generous and allowing me to sort of
Speaker 1: like sort of take him, go around with him on
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live and that kind of stuff that he did.
Speaker 1: So I went with him, and I saw this huge
Speaker 1: change in the world. I mean, there's a great story
Speaker 1: I was really good for. I have to drop a
Speaker 1: name on this one, but I just in a movie
Speaker 1: with Robert Denny Jr. And him and I were like
Speaker 1: really close buddies, and we were hanging out and we
Speaker 1: were going to meet up with Jason. So we met.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be at this hotel and they go to
Speaker 1: some parties something like that. So I'm standing there with
Speaker 1: Robert and there's a bunch of girls like kind of
Speaker 1: standing over there, and they're like, Oh, it's Robert Denny Jr.
Speaker 1: Or what's Robert, Like, you know, six or seven girls
Speaker 1: some that short party or something. Jason rolls up in
Speaker 1: his Alpa. Roomeo gets out of the car and it's
Speaker 1: like an explosion of screams and rights face drop and
Speaker 1: just look at me and go, God, is he really
Speaker 1: that famous? And I went, yeah, he is. He was
Speaker 1: like literally, you know, I mean, you guys had the
Speaker 1: biggest show in the history of the world at that time.
Speaker 1: It was massive. So that can't do anything but change,
Speaker 1: you know, your perspective on life, and you think it's
Speaker 1: always going to be that way when it's like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Is it funny? Life becomes
Speaker 1: quite humbling when you get alderts. So you're saying saying drama,
Speaker 1: You're saying that some attitudes on set, perhaps maybe to you.
Speaker 1: You guys were always nice to me. I'll be honest
Speaker 1: with you. You You know, I kind of I've always strangely been,
Speaker 1: you know, because Jason was my best friend. So I
Speaker 1: was always sort of strangely sort of treated very very
Speaker 1: kindly by everybody in a way that I kind of
Speaker 1: didn't earn it because I was Jason's friend and everyone
Speaker 1: loved jay Um and I think that I kind of
Speaker 1: felt like I wanted to like earn people's friendship on
Speaker 1: who I was on my own, but it was just
Speaker 1: it was sweet that everyone was so nice to me,
Speaker 1: and I kind of tried to make but it's hard
Speaker 1: when you're when you guys have done guest stars. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, if you had really really huge career, so
Speaker 1: you understand when you go to someone else's house, you
Speaker 1: really kind of want to be respectful and not step
Speaker 1: on toes and it really don't be the problem that
Speaker 1: somebody else be the problem, you know. And that was
Speaker 1: kind of my attitude on that show is I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't want to get any special treatment because Jason
Speaker 1: was my best friend. I did one of these things,
Speaker 1: so I really kind of wanted to earn my way.
Speaker 1: So when there was something going on, I was trying
Speaker 1: to make sure I take like two steps back and
Speaker 1: just make sure I wasn't in any of it, you know.
Speaker 1: But look, we had it on our show too. We
Speaker 1: had tremendous like things. But that's the fun, right, That's
Speaker 1: a family. Families do that they love each other. They
Speaker 1: arguing families. Right, All right? Are you still friends with Jason?
Speaker 1: Did you guys still hang out? Not so much. No,
Speaker 1: we don't hang out so much. I mean, life is
Speaker 1: I went away for ten years to North Carolina. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, my wife and I were together for a
Speaker 1: long time. We got separated, and you know, you know things,
Speaker 1: you know, the dynamics change and interest change. And he's
Speaker 1: a tremendous human being, a very sweet and um I
Speaker 1: don't you know the last time I think we spoke,
Speaker 1: uh was I think, you know, after Luke's passing. We
Speaker 1: had a few words. But you know, I see I
Speaker 1: and all the time I saw I am. This weekend
Speaker 1: I hung out with him. We went to we went
Speaker 1: to an opening of the new um Roku and Boa
Speaker 1: in Manhattan Beach together. Oh god, puper fun. And he's
Speaker 1: just a sweetheart, and he's great. He's got those beautiful kids.
Speaker 1: You know, he's great. He's the same exactly. He's just lovely.
Speaker 1: He's Steve Sanders right right, yeah, all the best ways,
Speaker 1: all the best ways. He's always a good friend to people.
Speaker 1: And he's very practical, very practical. He looks, he looks
Speaker 1: at the at the at you know, like like let's
Speaker 1: just say you get a bill at a restaurant. He
Speaker 1: actually reads it and looks at it and I rarely
Speaker 1: like actually run it over to make sure it's right.
Speaker 1: We got a good number. That's a good number, and
Speaker 1: then you move on. Like he's very practical. You know,
Speaker 1: did we order that? I don't think we ordered that.
Speaker 1: He's lovely, it's beautiful, charming, and you know, it's just great.
Speaker 1: It's I. It's I. It's like, you know, big Iron fans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you think in general people recognize you more from
Speaker 1: nine two an One Tree Hill? That's how I was
Speaker 1: going to ask, Oh, it's fun Well, obviously it's it's
Speaker 1: an age thing. It's funny because the mothers, because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of fans of One Tree Hill that are
Speaker 1: you know, now older because the show, I guess we
Speaker 1: ended in two thousand eleven. It's two two. So when
Speaker 1: they first started watching it, let's say they were thirteen,
Speaker 1: and now they're in their thirties. Well, their mothers in
Speaker 1: their fifties were fans of Nano, which is like, okay,
Speaker 1: so I have this generational jump here, and I love it.
Speaker 1: I was at um and I Heart event with the
Speaker 1: Drama Queens last weekend, just before I came back to
Speaker 1: see Iron. Um. I was in the Philadelphia on their
Speaker 1: Drama Queens tour and it was so many people were
Speaker 1: yelling John on sears in the way and they were like,
Speaker 1: and the girls, you know, Sophia and really like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that show was big. I'm like it was huge, Like
Speaker 1: we you know, we we were really once she was
Speaker 1: a relatively small show compared to what two and was
Speaker 1: in the in the scheme of things. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess I don't. It was a huge hit too
Speaker 1: so and a cult like a cult following. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the appropriate word too. I don't know what's going to
Speaker 1: happen with John and Kelly doesn't and I have a
Speaker 1: feeling it's not going to go well because anything that
Speaker 1: starts out in in a deceitful kind of energy way
Speaker 1: as what is happening with their relationship because she has
Speaker 1: a boyfriend, is it never ends well. So I wish
Speaker 1: you would would have been a red herring. So we
Speaker 1: like would have thought it was going that direction. And
Speaker 1: he was a good guy. So wait, we thought you
Speaker 1: were in twenty two episodes. We thought it was thirteen. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm quite sure it's twenty two. If I've been telling
Speaker 1: everybody twenty two this long, we might have the wrong information. No,
Speaker 1: I google yourself. I want to get paid for the
Speaker 1: ten episodes. It's okay. Jenny was on the c W
Speaker 1: nine two and she thought she was on three episodes
Speaker 1: and she was on twenty two, so I was only
Speaker 1: on three. What show was that? Like the other nine? Yeah,
Speaker 1: here we are Okay, it's says it's hold on a second,
Speaker 1: it says, Um, Paul Johnson really good friends with Tory
Speaker 1: and Jenny. Wow, that's awesome. That's IMDb. Who knew. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Did you guys feel that it was like, um,
Speaker 1: that there is kind of like, uh, I mean, the
Speaker 1: thing is on our show? It was great about One
Speaker 1: Hill was it became sort of like a female powerhouse show,
Speaker 1: Like the girls rose to the top. Their storylines got
Speaker 1: super powerful and really drove the show as the show
Speaker 1: went on, Like it really sort of started off a
Speaker 1: little balance, maybe a little bit pushing more towards the
Speaker 1: young boys, but then it became sort of like taken
Speaker 1: over by Hillary and Sophia and Joy. Their storylines became
Speaker 1: so popular that they wrote in that direction because the
Speaker 1: popularity was just there. Does that make sense, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: makes sense, just because the audience while they love Brandon
Speaker 1: and Dylan and Steve and David like they love looking
Speaker 1: at them, they were probably more connected with the storylines
Speaker 1: and the writing of the females. That's what I think too,
Speaker 1: absolutely makes sense. Do you see did you? You? Can
Speaker 1: you find it? So I'm looking at Seven Heaven, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at all these other show They say how long
Speaker 1: you would be on? Do they say it's one season?
Speaker 1: Did they say, ah, damn it? Yeah. I think what
Speaker 1: happened was I was supposed to do like I think, well,
Speaker 1: I was supposed to do like two seasons, and what
Speaker 1: happened was I did one half of the season and
Speaker 1: then we jumped and then it came back. I think
Speaker 1: for like one part of the second season wasn't the
Speaker 1: finale wasn't. It might have been. It was a big show.
Speaker 1: I know that. Oh I don't know either. We were
Speaker 1: supposed to do two seasons, but then I don't. I
Speaker 1: think maybe you've got so much hate mail because you
Speaker 1: were so bad to Kelly that they were like, we can't.
Speaker 1: I might have got I think I might have gotten
Speaker 1: another show. I think what happened was that wasn't available.
Speaker 1: I don't think they had booked me and like locked me.
Speaker 1: I think what happened was I got another series, And
Speaker 1: I think that's what happened. You've had a badass career.
Speaker 1: You had worth so much. Like, damn, I've been really
Speaker 1: really lucky. I feel like you're really good. That's why. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, don't you feel this way? Don't you
Speaker 1: showl that you're actually better now than you ever were? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just kidding. I don't know. I look
Speaker 1: at that. You look at material now and you you
Speaker 1: break it down. You figure out what your character is about,
Speaker 1: and you figure out ways to put like an influence
Speaker 1: on the character, to drive that character was sort of
Speaker 1: with more meaning than was maybe Evelan intended. And so
Speaker 1: you bring this depth to your characters. It really, for
Speaker 1: me is the fund now. I didn't love acting when
Speaker 1: I was on because I didn't I didn't have the
Speaker 1: training that I that I've got later, you know in
Speaker 1: my career, when I just really started focusing on understanding
Speaker 1: what we were really doing and and really saw the
Speaker 1: complex rules coming my way and not being able. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's a I went in for an audition for
Speaker 1: a guy named uh Um Lawrence Casting, who you know,
Speaker 1: did like some of my favorite movies, right, terrific direct,
Speaker 1: huge director, and I went in and apparently I was
Speaker 1: his number one choice for the lead rule in the
Speaker 1: movie with uh Um Meg Ryan and it was like
Speaker 1: this breakout rule. And I came in and I had
Speaker 1: just given an audition. I had worked on my own
Speaker 1: and then when I got to the final callback, my
Speaker 1: agent said, before you go in, I gotta send you
Speaker 1: to this acting coach. They're gonna help you refine this character,
Speaker 1: and they everybody works with this person gets the job.
Speaker 1: I went and I went great. So I went to
Speaker 1: this acting coach and they worked with me and they
Speaker 1: started giving me this thing called space props, and I
Speaker 1: said what and he showed me basically what it was
Speaker 1: was I was pretending I had a suitcase. I was
Speaker 1: pretending I had my shoes, I was bringing it, putting
Speaker 1: on a jacket. I was like basically acting with no props.
Speaker 1: And I was like, this is a little silly. I
Speaker 1: don't this is not what I did. When I got
Speaker 1: the call back, and they're like, this always works. So
Speaker 1: I worked with this book and I decided, Okay, I
Speaker 1: gotta trust my agent. I was with William Morris wasn't
Speaker 1: like that whatever, So I went. So I walked into
Speaker 1: the audition and there was Timothy Hudson, Vincent Denofrio, Matt
Speaker 1: Dillon um Unit and Kevin Bacons like that and me
Speaker 1: and they were all big stars. And Lawrence Casting himself
Speaker 1: comes out of the office and goes, Paul, come on in,
Speaker 1: and they were kind of like, who's this guy going
Speaker 1: to the office, and he goes, just want you to know,
Speaker 1: I want you for this part. I've already told everybody
Speaker 1: I have to see these other guys. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: because you know they're obligation or whatever, but really this
Speaker 1: is your just let's just do what you did on
Speaker 1: your tape and we'll be great. And I said, I said, well, sure,
Speaker 1: let me show you what I've done. And I got
Speaker 1: up and I got my luggage and I got my
Speaker 1: shoes and he stopped me, what are you doing? What
Speaker 1: are you doing? And he looked like like okay, just
Speaker 1: like gutted a dolphin on his run and he said
Speaker 1: what is that? And I said, well, these are my
Speaker 1: space props and he looked at me like I was
Speaker 1: insane and I said yeah, I like I got you know,
Speaker 1: don't you see my luggage and my grief guys and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I was fully button and he said
Speaker 1: thanks for coming in. No, no, did you say I'll
Speaker 1: go back and do it. I've had my agents call
Speaker 1: agents called this was like it literally Timothy Hudson got
Speaker 1: the part. It was called Timothy Hudton and and it
Speaker 1: was like something in a Forget Something. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I know this movie. Yeah, and that was it something
Speaker 1: I forget Paris or something in Paris. Right, I could
Speaker 1: look it up and anyway that that's one of those
Speaker 1: situations you don't fix it an broke because you say
Speaker 1: the acting coach, Um, I think at that point it
Speaker 1: was just too or something no, I didn't put Eventually, Eventually, yes,
Speaker 1: right now, you know, I know, but you know, my
Speaker 1: life went in a direction where I'm very happy, and
Speaker 1: you know about your life. I have an eleven year
Speaker 1: old boy. His name is Quinn, and it's just him
Speaker 1: and I were just you know, you know, he's only
Speaker 1: to the Science Academy. He's a little genius and he's
Speaker 1: a lovable nerd and he's all about and you know
Speaker 1: we do homework together and um, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: just great. It's just you know, I I work a
Speaker 1: lot of producing and producing. At Cassidy's last film, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm producing another one coming up. I'm directed a few things,
Speaker 1: and I write a lot and uh and you know
Speaker 1: I've got I did five films last year acting. I'm
Speaker 1: heading to Detroit to do one and then I gonna
Speaker 1: go to Bulgarian do another one this year. So I'm
Speaker 1: working and things are fun. It's not like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't own a you know, castle in
Speaker 1: the mountains. Yeah, but you're working. And my life is small,
Speaker 1: just so you know, I have, like I'm really I
Speaker 1: have very keep my friends really small. H my nut
Speaker 1: is small. I keep everything. It's a really sort of
Speaker 1: like really you know what I mean. It kind of
Speaker 1: like controllable life. You know, I'm not. I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: not the same. I'm not figure out what works for
Speaker 1: you and and cater to that. And you're smart to
Speaker 1: do that, to keep things in your safe zone, because
Speaker 1: why in this day and age, like it's scary out there,
Speaker 1: like it's better to keep it strong. John Sears has
Speaker 1: all grown up. Ye, you've got a jerk anymore. Well,
Speaker 1: it was a character. Hopefully nice people to see that
Speaker 1: you were nothing like that character. He's an actor, you guys. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Dan Scott didn't help that much.
Speaker 1: But I've made. I've made quite a career. I'm playing
Speaker 1: bad guys. But you don't think about your favorite bad
Speaker 1: guys in history, right. A lot of them were like
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Some of them are just
Speaker 1: like I love Christof Wentz, like I love what's his
Speaker 1: name is Christopher? No, Christoph? Is it Christof? I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, from the Django unchained um Waltz, christ Waltz
Speaker 1: like guys like that, like those guys do wonderful bad guys.
Speaker 1: You know, it's really a great career. Larry Hagman, who
Speaker 1: was on one of your dead took me aside and said,
Speaker 1: I told him, like when I was playing these bad guys,
Speaker 1: he goes, it's the greatest compliment they could ever give
Speaker 1: to you, because nobody remembers that good guys on that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna let you go. But thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us. It was really nice reconnecting with you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, grateful, Bye bye. He's nicey, he's actually really nice.
Speaker 1: He's got a jerk. No, he's acting. We want to
Speaker 1: know what the drama though. We ought to have him
Speaker 1: back on then he didn't. He didn't spill the tea.
Speaker 1: Now we should have him back on when like things
Speaker 1: get really bad, once you know what he's going to
Speaker 1: be to Kelly. Oh, that's what we should have him
Speaker 1: back in. All right, let's do it.