WEBVTT - 9021One on One: Paul Johansson 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:10.640 With Jenny Garth and Tory Spelling. You know what's going 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:15.640 to be fun? What talking to John Sears today? We 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:22.239 have him on the the one and Only Paul Joe Hansen. Yep, 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:26.319 he played the confident in brash John Sears on the 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.840 fourth season and uh we have a little talk with 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:38.479 him right about now. Very exciting. Okay, this is Jack. 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:45.120 Oh sorry, we're really excited to see you too. Is 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.760 that a Bengal? I have to ask my girlfriend what 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.560 this is. It's this, It's just she saved it from 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.040 a homeless person on the side of the road and 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.520 paid twenty dollars for Jack when she was I guess 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.280 two weeks old, really really little, and so you know, 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.040 news were of the family and we'll attack me during 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:09.080 this whole conversation, perfect full feral mode. Wow, it's so great. Toe. 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.959 When's the last time we laid eyes on you? At 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:19.759 Iron Zeering screening of his movie in Bank Shark Nado 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:25.920 Noe Zomombie Zombie that was recent Zombie Apocalypse. Yes, it's like, 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.800 uh yeah, like a year ago. I here, it seems 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:34.480 like ten years ago to me. I know, right, How 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.040 are you guys? We're good? Thank you for being on 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.920 the show. I'm really flattered to be invited, to be 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.480 honest with you. You were on to I know for 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:50.080 a really long time. How many episodes do you doo? Yeah? 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.400 Uncle Aaron Tory's dad called me and said, all right, 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:57.800 I got one for your kid. I'm like, great, Wait, 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.240 what did you guys? Had you worked with him before? 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.920 Obviously I knew him through Jason and and I had 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.560 done Perker Lewis before that. And I think loan some 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.239 dove this series, and and you know, I gotta be 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.960 honest with you. I missed those phone calls so much. 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.120 He would call me, and he was always so sweet 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.679 and so like like he was doing like I was 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.080 doing him a favor to come work for him, like 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.880 as as if right, And I love that vibe that 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.040 he gave me all the time. I got another one 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.760 for your kid. He was really sweet. So you were 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:34.560 friends with Jason before, right? Yeah. I don't know if 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.720 Jason told you guys this story, but you know, we 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.880 um we actually had a manager. But then Frank Leavy, 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.360 who was a sweet guy who saw me in something 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.639 that I've done in Vancouver and saw Jason's could be 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:51.120 like this sort of like test audition thing, and he 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:55.000 flew us both down and basically put us in an apartment, 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.400 paid for our apartment, paid for it, gave us a 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.680 car to use, paid for acting classes, paid for cars 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:03.799 and drivers, random visions, paid her voice lessons to get 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:08.000 rid of our Canadian accent, and um he just literally 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.359 threw himself into believing that he was going to get 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.600 his money back. And about three years into that, he 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.600 had an aneurysm on the set of one of the 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.920 movies he was producing, and he died. And he was 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:24.480 the kindest, sweetest, most generous guys. Name was Frank Levy, 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.200 and literally he started us off and he managed Greg 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.480 green Harrison's career for years. Just a great man. You know, 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.000 back in the days when people were like kind of developing, 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.480 you know, talent, right, I had talent? Did you live 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.560 with Brad Pitt too? I was at club that was 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.920 Jason and Bernie Coulson. Wilson was the little blonde boy 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.520 in the Accused with Jodie Foster. Wonderful actor, and he 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:52.640 had done a movie with with Brad in um In 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:57.080 in Vancouver and ABC After School Special, and so Brad 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:58.960 was kind of running around hanging out with us quite 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.920 a bit, and Jack wants to get involved, and um 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.800 so I was guesting in that that sort of crash 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.320 apartment with Brad and Bernie and Jason, and it was 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:11.720 kind of you know, you know, you knew us backt then. 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:16.200 We were like unhinged and you know, right, and you know, 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.680 thinking that the world was going to be ours one day, 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.039 you know. And yeah, I'll tell you one thing about 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.760 Brad though. He came over one day with an audition 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:29.520 for a for a movie that I had just auditioned for. 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.919 And I was told that. I was like, when like 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:34.800 their top choice? And I was, you know, I was 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.200 feeling myself back then. I was like, you know, walking 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.919 tall into life. M And he comes in and he 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:43.039 said yeah, and so he asked me and Jason we're 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.200 running lines with them, and it was thumb on Louise, 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:51.520 Oh my god. Clearly I don't know, I mean, it 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:55.360 was his because it was always I believe in those things. Yeah, 0:04:55.440 --> 0:05:00.160 you do, two tories, Destiny, I do. It worked out 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.000 the way it's supposed to work out. But wait, twenty 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.960 two episodes episodes you were on she did an audition 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.000 for this. My dad just called and was like, I 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.120 got one for you. He had me come in, but 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.040 he kind of told me anything you hear Jack walks 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.920 across the keyboard every two seconds, we can't hear it. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.760 You can't hear you know. I did have to come in, 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:19.960 and as I was going in, there was a guy 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.680 outside who told me Um. He was another actor and 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.960 he was auditioning for the part. And he told me 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.560 Um that he had heard that I had already got 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.479 the job. And I felt like, oh, no, no, no, no, 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:33.360 it's all good man, Like, you know, no, I'm sure 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.400 that's not true. So I always you know how we are, 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.800 We're always trying to make everyone feel good about themselves 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.240 and downplaying it. But I kind of was like, really 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:44.440 happy to hear that. Yeah, I think we went through 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.560 the process. Wait one more thing. You I thought you 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.120 were Canadian, but you were not Canadian. You are born 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:55.240 in the US, born in Spokan right. My dad was 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.839 played hockey for the Red Wings and played played professional 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.159 hockey about his life, and then when he retired, he 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.040 moved us back to Canada, where he was from. So 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.160 I did. I grew up in Canada for ten years 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.120 before I relocated back to Los Angeles and in those 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.719 ten years you developed a Canadian accent that you had 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.719 to lose once. You've got all kinds of Canadian things 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:22.240 like it's self effacing humor, hockey right saying I'm sorry 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:28.800 all the time, canadianism. Yeah. Have you guys shot in Canada, 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.600 I'm sure? Yeah, yeah, Vancouver mostly we did the reboot, 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:38.520 um bhin in Vancouver. You did, Oh wow, it looks 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:42.839 like Beverly Hills. Yeah, sure, why not? Barely looked that 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.960 much like Beverly Hills. But we had a great time. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.080 They had to bring in fake palm trees and then 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.360 it was like, oh it's Beverly Hills. Yeah, big palm 0:06:51.400 --> 0:07:05.760 trees for Beverly Hills. Let's stay on the on the 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.200 Beverly Hills. Not two other questions before we move on, 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.720 because we want to ask you more. But what did 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:14.640 you think of John's ears? Like, what was your impression 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:20.280 of that character? Um? Well, first off, we have to 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.880 remember that we're young actors then, and so what we 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.640 know now, UM, is that you have to sort of 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.760 put it into perspective. So what I understood back then 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:36.320 was it was the groundbreaking show for its It was 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.160 like the you know, the first of its kind it 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.760 broke the network. It created, Um, you know the genre 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.320 that I ended up doing, um, One Tree Hill for 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.600 ten years on. You know, that was the genre that 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.880 created the opportunity for those shows to be So I 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.960 think what I thought about the character was that, um, 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.640 it was complicated because I kind of knew I was 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.240 gonna be kind of a bad dude, but I didn't 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:05.480 realize there would be because they don't really tell you 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:06.920 where they're going to go with it. But you know, 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.160 it didn't really bother me that much that I had 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.640 to sort of like go to places that that I'm 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:15.760 not really personally comfortable with because I've always felt that, 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:17.880 you know, it's kind of my job to reflect society 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.560 and to not pass judgment on the roles that I play. Um, 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.800 there's certain things that I won't do. But you know, 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:25.800 at that time, you know, I think that what we 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.120 were doing we were sort of bringing, and especially that 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:32.280 show was bringing a lot of things like you know, um, 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:34.320 you know, there's there was drug abuse, there was you know, 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:36.720 sexual abuse. There's all kinds of things that that show 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.440 was pointing fingers at, and I thought those are important things. 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.160 And I think when you have to be the guy 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.679 who's playing the bad person. It's important you know that 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:49.839 you're not holding back, you know. I mean, Jen, you 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.560 and I had some scenes together. There was a scene 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.240 that was pretty uncomfortable where I was supposed to be 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.120 pushing myself on you in the bedroom, you know, and 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.560 you know we hadn't got so just so you know, 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:05.920 episode airs, she does not remember. It's a great it's 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:12.120 a great promo. This episode airs. You're still like just 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.000 had your first kiss. But it's so weird because you're 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:19.000 really aggressive, You're like kind of stalking me. Yeah. Yeah, 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.120 I think I was directed that way. You know, that 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.040 was really the way that it was. It was that episode. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.120 Do you remember Richard Gallance know that he wrote it. Oh, 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:32.360 I'm just kidding. Richard Lange, Richard Lan Richard he directed 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.800 a lot of episodes which and we loved him. So 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.000 that was our question because we just watched that episode 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.400 back and we wanted to know if you were directed 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.959 that way, because we felt like Kelly wouldn't have gone 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.360 for like the way you came onto her. It was 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:49.080 a little creepy, and we're like, hey, why wasn't John 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:50.960 Sears going out at a different angle to try to 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.480 make her think he was nice, like that came up, 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.880 that conversation came up with with the director, and I said, 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.120 and I think that we talked about it, and I 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.480 think the way that it was done was, you know, 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.520 I don't think that we're fully developed at that age, 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.080 you know what I mean as as like aware of 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.319 people's intentions and things. We're young. I think kids now 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.080 are way ahead and where we were. Don't you think 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.480 we're a little more native? And I think there was 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.120 some conversation revolving around that idea that it's like that 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.280 thing where oh, he said, well girls like the bad boys, 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.640 girls like the bad boys, and that was reinforced in 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:29.480 sort of the rule that I was playing. You know 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.640 what I mean, Well, you're dangerous and and that's what's 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.200 a technology. You're different than other guys. You know, It's 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.559 like okay, so I would play into that sort of mechanism. 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:41.120 Does that make sense? But I feel like Kelly, that 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.760 wouldn't have been enough for Kelly. And I'm after watching 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:49.440 that episode just really not stoked that Kelly kissed John 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.320 while she's with Dylan, Like, I don't know what's going 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.080 to happen. Clearly, you say something happens, and I think 0:10:56.120 --> 0:11:00.440 something bad actually happens between the two characters that that 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.080 leaves it in a bad way. And then also you 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:09.400 end up having beef with the with Steve's character. I do, 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:10.800 and I got a lot of I got a lot 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:14.880 of bad hate mail for the kiss? Did you that 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.280 on the on the back? I don't know. I don't 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.520 remember then. I remember you used to be mail on 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:22.880 that email. It used to be Yeah, they had to 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.520 send it with a stamp and everything. I would have 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:29.200 sent a bad email a letter at that point as 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:30.960 a viewer, like I would have been like, I don't 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.400 like this. I don't like what's happening. But yeah, I 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.960 mean it's interesting and it makes like for conflicts. I 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.719 get it. But but you know, guys like you know 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.120 when you're when you're an actor in Hollywood and this 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.520 is the early nineties and you're trying to make your 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.840 bones and trying to get people to you know, at 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:51.280 least recognize your you know your abilities, and you you 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.640 would never pass up on a roll on a show 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:57.280 like this just because you might have some you know, reservation. 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:58.600 What you're trying to do is trying to work it 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.199 out in a way that you can find. I had 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.240 a way to play that character without making it you know, 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:07.040 um uh completely despicable, and that's what I was hoping 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.160 to do. You know. Well, clearly it was effective. You 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:12.080 made an impression on a lot of people enough for 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.559 them write letters. But you also made an impression enough 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.000 to for to lead to a really great gig after 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.680 and not not too I know for you, which was 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:24.000 One Tree Hill. Well, I mean that was many years later, 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.000 wasn't I think? When did we finish? I finished on 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:31.000 your show in ninety five four, and then I went 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.319 on into this series in Paris for a year, m 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:38.280 a spinoff of Highlander, and then I did Yeah, and 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.800 then I did um, did a bunch of shows for 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.079 for your dad after that. But then, thinking with you, 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.160 I loved working with him too. I was you know, 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:49.800 I mean, I've lost both my parents and I'll tell 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:53.200 you something like they were always um the kind of 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.680 parents that that I liked about him, Like he was 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.320 just kind of super supportive of me and I could 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.840 do no wrong. You know. He has had a good 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:02.839 thought and always had something great to say in super 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:06.120 positive just and he always like just send me messages, 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:10.400 sweet messages. You know, like, great job kid, just just 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.040 a little pump, you know, just a little shot in 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:17.880 the arm. Yeah, really sweet. I think it was two 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.880 thousand and three. It was when I started on One 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.160 Tree Hill and then we went to two thousand and eleven. 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.360 That's a great run. It was a big run and 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.760 I had a really really good time and right, but 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:36.160 John Sears really was the you know, the seed which 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.560 became that character down at Scott you know, which was Mr. 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:43.199 Total Villain. I was like the you know, worldwide villain 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.920 dude for ever. I mean, and that was It's funny 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.600 because people drew a real correlation between the two characters 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:56.120 and there is a huge one. Wow. Yeah. What do 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.760 you remember about being like on the set? I mean 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.000 because you were friends. You were there with Jason who 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.640 had history with and like was it a good experience 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.480 on the SATNA too? I know, even though your character 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:15.240 is a little well, I mean, you know, it was interesting. 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.080 I was around for a little bit of the drama days. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.160 You know, there was some drama. Drama are you talking 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:28.320 about drama? Yeah? What drama? We should say? Which one 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:33.560 you gons? I gotta go? Um, there was some you know, 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:38.160 I think people were um, we're I think, you know, look, 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.560 you guys were all such. I went with Jason on 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.520 a lot of events because at that point him and 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.040 I had spent a tremendous amount of time together and 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.960 he was very generous and allowing me to sort of 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.000 like sort of take him, go around with him on 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.120 Saturday Night Live and that kind of stuff that he did. 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.600 So I went with him, and I saw this huge 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.520 change in the world. I mean, there's a great story 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.320 I was really good for. I have to drop a 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.120 name on this one, but I just in a movie 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.240 with Robert Denny Jr. And him and I were like 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.120 really close buddies, and we were hanging out and we 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.400 were going to meet up with Jason. So we met. 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:12.960 We're gonna be at this hotel and they go to 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:14.600 some parties something like that. So I'm standing there with 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.320 Robert and there's a bunch of girls like kind of 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.440 standing over there, and they're like, Oh, it's Robert Denny Jr. 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.920 Or what's Robert, Like, you know, six or seven girls 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.680 some that short party or something. Jason rolls up in 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:28.200 his Alpa. Roomeo gets out of the car and it's 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:34.480 like an explosion of screams and rights face drop and 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.200 just look at me and go, God, is he really 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.520 that famous? And I went, yeah, he is. He was 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:44.240 like literally, you know, I mean, you guys had the 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:48.640 biggest show in the history of the world at that time. 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:53.200 It was massive. So that can't do anything but change, 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.320 you know, your perspective on life, and you think it's 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.280 always going to be that way when it's like that, 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.320 you know what I mean? Is it funny? Life becomes 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:08.200 quite humbling when you get alderts. So you're saying saying drama, 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:17.480 You're saying that some attitudes on set, perhaps maybe to you. 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.560 You guys were always nice to me. I'll be honest 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.320 with you. You You know, I kind of I've always strangely been, 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:24.320 you know, because Jason was my best friend. So I 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.760 was always sort of strangely sort of treated very very 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:29.600 kindly by everybody in a way that I kind of 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.240 didn't earn it because I was Jason's friend and everyone 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.680 loved jay Um and I think that I kind of 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:38.120 felt like I wanted to like earn people's friendship on 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.280 who I was on my own, but it was just 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.000 it was sweet that everyone was so nice to me, 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.480 and I kind of tried to make but it's hard 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.920 when you're when you guys have done guest stars. Now, 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:48.960 you know, if you had really really huge career, so 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:51.680 you understand when you go to someone else's house, you 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.720 really kind of want to be respectful and not step 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.360 on toes and it really don't be the problem that 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.920 somebody else be the problem, you know. And that was 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.160 kind of my attitude on that show is I didn't 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.679 I didn't want to get any special treatment because Jason 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.320 was my best friend. I did one of these things, 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.160 so I really kind of wanted to earn my way. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.879 So when there was something going on, I was trying 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.080 to make sure I take like two steps back and 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.720 just make sure I wasn't in any of it, you know. 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:17.800 But look, we had it on our show too. We 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.800 had tremendous like things. But that's the fun, right, That's 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.920 a family. Families do that they love each other. They 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:26.720 arguing families. Right, All right? Are you still friends with Jason? 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.960 Did you guys still hang out? Not so much. No, 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:31.800 we don't hang out so much. I mean, life is 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.360 I went away for ten years to North Carolina. Um, 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.199 you know, my wife and I were together for a 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.440 long time. We got separated, and you know, you know things, 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:46.160 you know, the dynamics change and interest change. And he's 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.480 a tremendous human being, a very sweet and um I 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:51.399 don't you know the last time I think we spoke, 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:57.320 uh was I think, you know, after Luke's passing. We 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.320 had a few words. But you know, I see I 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:00.760 and all the time I saw I am. This weekend 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.000 I hung out with him. We went to we went 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:08.439 to an opening of the new um Roku and Boa 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:13.680 in Manhattan Beach together. Oh god, puper fun. And he's 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.560 just a sweetheart, and he's great. He's got those beautiful kids. 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:23.040 You know, he's great. He's the same exactly. He's just lovely. 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:28.879 He's Steve Sanders right right, yeah, all the best ways, 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:31.879 all the best ways. He's always a good friend to people. 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:39.440 And he's very practical, very practical. He looks, he looks 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.680 at the at the at you know, like like let's 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.159 just say you get a bill at a restaurant. He 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.240 actually reads it and looks at it and I rarely 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.080 like actually run it over to make sure it's right. 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.119 We got a good number. That's a good number, and 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.919 then you move on. Like he's very practical. You know, 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.359 did we order that? I don't think we ordered that. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.120 He's lovely, it's beautiful, charming, and you know, it's just great. 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:09.720 It's I. It's I. It's like, you know, big Iron fans. Yeah, 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.239 do you think in general people recognize you more from 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.879 nine two an One Tree Hill? That's how I was 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.760 going to ask, Oh, it's fun Well, obviously it's it's 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:23.720 an age thing. It's funny because the mothers, because there's 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:25.400 a lot of fans of One Tree Hill that are 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:27.800 you know, now older because the show, I guess we 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:31.160 ended in two thousand eleven. It's two two. So when 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.400 they first started watching it, let's say they were thirteen, 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.919 and now they're in their thirties. Well, their mothers in 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:40.800 their fifties were fans of Nano, which is like, okay, 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:44.760 so I have this generational jump here, and I love it. 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.720 I was at um and I Heart event with the 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:52.240 Drama Queens last weekend, just before I came back to 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:54.840 see Iron. Um. I was in the Philadelphia on their 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:59.160 Drama Queens tour and it was so many people were 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:03.040 yelling John on sears in the way and they were like, 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.440 and the girls, you know, Sophia and really like, Wow, 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.920 that show was big. I'm like it was huge, Like 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.600 we you know, we we were really once she was 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.440 a relatively small show compared to what two and was 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.760 in the in the scheme of things. Yeah, I mean, 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.920 I guess I don't. It was a huge hit too 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:25.480 so and a cult like a cult following. Yeah, that's 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:41.320 the appropriate word too. I don't know what's going to 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:45.720 happen with John and Kelly doesn't and I have a 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.560 feeling it's not going to go well because anything that 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.960 starts out in in a deceitful kind of energy way 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.000 as what is happening with their relationship because she has 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:59.280 a boyfriend, is it never ends well. So I wish 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:01.280 you would would have been a red herring. So we 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:03.440 like would have thought it was going that direction. And 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:06.520 he was a good guy. So wait, we thought you 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:10.400 were in twenty two episodes. We thought it was thirteen. Oh, 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.520 I'm quite sure it's twenty two. If I've been telling 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:16.639 everybody twenty two this long, we might have the wrong information. No, 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:21.520 I google yourself. I want to get paid for the 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:26.000 ten episodes. It's okay. Jenny was on the c W 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:28.760 nine two and she thought she was on three episodes 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:30.840 and she was on twenty two, so I was only 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:38.440 on three. What show was that? Like the other nine? Yeah, 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:43.320 here we are Okay, it's says it's hold on a second, 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:46.879 it says, Um, Paul Johnson really good friends with Tory 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:51.240 and Jenny. Wow, that's awesome. That's IMDb. Who knew. I 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:55.520 don't know. Did you guys feel that it was like, um, 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:57.560 that there is kind of like, uh, I mean, the 0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:59.760 thing is on our show? It was great about One 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:03.840 Hill was it became sort of like a female powerhouse show, 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:07.680 Like the girls rose to the top. Their storylines got 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:10.720 super powerful and really drove the show as the show 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:12.639 went on, Like it really sort of started off a 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:14.840 little balance, maybe a little bit pushing more towards the 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:18.000 young boys, but then it became sort of like taken 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:21.280 over by Hillary and Sophia and Joy. Their storylines became 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.960 so popular that they wrote in that direction because the 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:27.919 popularity was just there. Does that make sense, Yeah, it 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:32.480 makes sense, just because the audience while they love Brandon 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:35.440 and Dylan and Steve and David like they love looking 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:39.080