1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: With Jenny Garth and Tory Spelling. You know what's going 2 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: to be fun? What talking to John Sears today? We 3 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: have him on the the one and Only Paul Joe Hansen. Yep, 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: he played the confident in brash John Sears on the 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: fourth season and uh we have a little talk with 6 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: him right about now. Very exciting. Okay, this is Jack. 7 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, we're really excited to see you too. Is 8 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: that a Bengal? I have to ask my girlfriend what 9 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: this is. It's this, It's just she saved it from 10 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: a homeless person on the side of the road and 11 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: paid twenty dollars for Jack when she was I guess 12 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: two weeks old, really really little, and so you know, 13 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: news were of the family and we'll attack me during 14 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: this whole conversation, perfect full feral mode. Wow, it's so great. Toe. 15 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: When's the last time we laid eyes on you? At 16 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: Iron Zeering screening of his movie in Bank Shark Nado 17 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: Noe Zomombie Zombie that was recent Zombie Apocalypse. Yes, it's like, 18 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: uh yeah, like a year ago. I here, it seems 19 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: like ten years ago to me. I know, right, How 20 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: are you guys? We're good? Thank you for being on 21 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: the show. I'm really flattered to be invited, to be 22 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: honest with you. You were on to I know for 23 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: a really long time. How many episodes do you doo? Yeah? 24 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: Uncle Aaron Tory's dad called me and said, all right, 25 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: I got one for your kid. I'm like, great, Wait, 26 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: what did you guys? Had you worked with him before? 27 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: Obviously I knew him through Jason and and I had 28 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: done Perker Lewis before that. And I think loan some 29 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: dove this series, and and you know, I gotta be 30 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: honest with you. I missed those phone calls so much. 31 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: He would call me, and he was always so sweet 32 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: and so like like he was doing like I was 33 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: doing him a favor to come work for him, like 34 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: as as if right, And I love that vibe that 35 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: he gave me all the time. I got another one 36 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: for your kid. He was really sweet. So you were 37 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: friends with Jason before, right? Yeah. I don't know if 38 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: Jason told you guys this story, but you know, we 39 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: um we actually had a manager. But then Frank Leavy, 40 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: who was a sweet guy who saw me in something 41 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: that I've done in Vancouver and saw Jason's could be 42 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: like this sort of like test audition thing, and he 43 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: flew us both down and basically put us in an apartment, 44 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: paid for our apartment, paid for it, gave us a 45 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: car to use, paid for acting classes, paid for cars 46 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: and drivers, random visions, paid her voice lessons to get 47 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: rid of our Canadian accent, and um he just literally 48 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: threw himself into believing that he was going to get 49 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: his money back. And about three years into that, he 50 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: had an aneurysm on the set of one of the 51 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: movies he was producing, and he died. And he was 52 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: the kindest, sweetest, most generous guys. Name was Frank Levy, 53 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: and literally he started us off and he managed Greg 54 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: green Harrison's career for years. Just a great man. You know, 55 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: back in the days when people were like kind of developing, 56 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, talent, right, I had talent? Did you live 57 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: with Brad Pitt too? I was at club that was 58 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: Jason and Bernie Coulson. Wilson was the little blonde boy 59 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: in the Accused with Jodie Foster. Wonderful actor, and he 60 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: had done a movie with with Brad in um In 61 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: in Vancouver and ABC After School Special, and so Brad 62 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: was kind of running around hanging out with us quite 63 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: a bit, and Jack wants to get involved, and um 64 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: so I was guesting in that that sort of crash 65 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: apartment with Brad and Bernie and Jason, and it was 66 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: kind of you know, you know, you knew us backt then. 67 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: We were like unhinged and you know, right, and you know, 68 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: thinking that the world was going to be ours one day, 69 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, I'll tell you one thing about 70 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: Brad though. He came over one day with an audition 71 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: for a for a movie that I had just auditioned for. 72 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: And I was told that. I was like, when like 73 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: their top choice? And I was, you know, I was 74 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: feeling myself back then. I was like, you know, walking 75 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: tall into life. M And he comes in and he 76 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: said yeah, and so he asked me and Jason we're 77 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: running lines with them, and it was thumb on Louise, 78 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Clearly I don't know, I mean, it 79 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: was his because it was always I believe in those things. Yeah, 80 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: you do, two tories, Destiny, I do. It worked out 81 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: the way it's supposed to work out. But wait, twenty 82 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: two episodes episodes you were on she did an audition 83 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: for this. My dad just called and was like, I 84 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: got one for you. He had me come in, but 85 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: he kind of told me anything you hear Jack walks 86 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: across the keyboard every two seconds, we can't hear it. 87 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: You can't hear you know. I did have to come in, 88 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: and as I was going in, there was a guy 89 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: outside who told me Um. He was another actor and 90 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: he was auditioning for the part. And he told me 91 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: Um that he had heard that I had already got 92 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: the job. And I felt like, oh, no, no, no, no, 93 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: it's all good man, Like, you know, no, I'm sure 94 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: that's not true. So I always you know how we are, 95 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: We're always trying to make everyone feel good about themselves 96 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: and downplaying it. But I kind of was like, really 97 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: happy to hear that. Yeah, I think we went through 98 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: the process. Wait one more thing. You I thought you 99 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: were Canadian, but you were not Canadian. You are born 100 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: in the US, born in Spokan right. My dad was 101 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: played hockey for the Red Wings and played played professional 102 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: hockey about his life, and then when he retired, he 103 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: moved us back to Canada, where he was from. So 104 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: I did. I grew up in Canada for ten years 105 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: before I relocated back to Los Angeles and in those 106 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: ten years you developed a Canadian accent that you had 107 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: to lose once. You've got all kinds of Canadian things 108 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: like it's self effacing humor, hockey right saying I'm sorry 109 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: all the time, canadianism. Yeah. Have you guys shot in Canada, 110 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure? Yeah, yeah, Vancouver mostly we did the reboot, 111 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: um bhin in Vancouver. You did, Oh wow, it looks 112 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: like Beverly Hills. Yeah, sure, why not? Barely looked that 113 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: much like Beverly Hills. But we had a great time. 114 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: They had to bring in fake palm trees and then 115 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: it was like, oh it's Beverly Hills. Yeah, big palm 116 00:06:51,400 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: trees for Beverly Hills. Let's stay on the on the 117 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. Not two other questions before we move on, 118 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: because we want to ask you more. But what did 119 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: you think of John's ears? Like, what was your impression 120 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: of that character? Um? Well, first off, we have to 121 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: remember that we're young actors then, and so what we 122 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: know now, UM, is that you have to sort of 123 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: put it into perspective. So what I understood back then 124 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: was it was the groundbreaking show for its It was 125 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: like the you know, the first of its kind it 126 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: broke the network. It created, Um, you know the genre 127 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: that I ended up doing, um, One Tree Hill for 128 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: ten years on. You know, that was the genre that 129 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: created the opportunity for those shows to be So I 130 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: think what I thought about the character was that, um, 131 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: it was complicated because I kind of knew I was 132 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: gonna be kind of a bad dude, but I didn't 133 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: realize there would be because they don't really tell you 134 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: where they're going to go with it. But you know, 135 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: it didn't really bother me that much that I had 136 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: to sort of like go to places that that I'm 137 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: not really personally comfortable with because I've always felt that, 138 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of my job to reflect society 139 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: and to not pass judgment on the roles that I play. Um, 140 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: there's certain things that I won't do. But you know, 141 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: at that time, you know, I think that what we 142 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: were doing we were sort of bringing, and especially that 143 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: show was bringing a lot of things like you know, um, 144 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, there's there was drug abuse, there was you know, 145 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: sexual abuse. There's all kinds of things that that show 146 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: was pointing fingers at, and I thought those are important things. 147 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: And I think when you have to be the guy 148 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: who's playing the bad person. It's important you know that 149 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: you're not holding back, you know. I mean, Jen, you 150 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: and I had some scenes together. There was a scene 151 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: that was pretty uncomfortable where I was supposed to be 152 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: pushing myself on you in the bedroom, you know, and 153 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: you know we hadn't got so just so you know, 154 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: episode airs, she does not remember. It's a great it's 155 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: a great promo. This episode airs. You're still like just 156 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: had your first kiss. But it's so weird because you're 157 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: really aggressive, You're like kind of stalking me. Yeah. Yeah, 158 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: I think I was directed that way. You know, that 159 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: was really the way that it was. It was that episode. 160 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: Do you remember Richard Gallance know that he wrote it. Oh, 161 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Richard Lange, Richard Lan Richard he directed 162 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: a lot of episodes which and we loved him. So 163 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: that was our question because we just watched that episode 164 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: back and we wanted to know if you were directed 165 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: that way, because we felt like Kelly wouldn't have gone 166 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: for like the way you came onto her. It was 167 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: a little creepy, and we're like, hey, why wasn't John 168 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: Sears going out at a different angle to try to 169 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: make her think he was nice, like that came up, 170 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: that conversation came up with with the director, and I said, 171 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: and I think that we talked about it, and I 172 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: think the way that it was done was, you know, 173 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that we're fully developed at that age, 174 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean as as like aware of 175 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: people's intentions and things. We're young. I think kids now 176 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: are way ahead and where we were. Don't you think 177 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: we're a little more native? And I think there was 178 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: some conversation revolving around that idea that it's like that 179 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: thing where oh, he said, well girls like the bad boys, 180 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: girls like the bad boys, and that was reinforced in 181 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: sort of the rule that I was playing. You know 182 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: what I mean, Well, you're dangerous and and that's what's 183 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: a technology. You're different than other guys. You know, It's 184 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: like okay, so I would play into that sort of mechanism. 185 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? But I feel like Kelly, that 186 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been enough for Kelly. And I'm after watching 187 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: that episode just really not stoked that Kelly kissed John 188 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: while she's with Dylan, Like, I don't know what's going 189 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: to happen. Clearly, you say something happens, and I think 190 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: something bad actually happens between the two characters that that 191 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: leaves it in a bad way. And then also you 192 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: end up having beef with the with Steve's character. I do, 193 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: and I got a lot of I got a lot 194 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: of bad hate mail for the kiss? Did you that 195 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: on the on the back? I don't know. I don't 196 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: remember then. I remember you used to be mail on 197 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: that email. It used to be Yeah, they had to 198 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: send it with a stamp and everything. I would have 199 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: sent a bad email a letter at that point as 200 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: a viewer, like I would have been like, I don't 201 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: like this. I don't like what's happening. But yeah, I 202 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: mean it's interesting and it makes like for conflicts. I 203 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: get it. But but you know, guys like you know 204 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: when you're when you're an actor in Hollywood and this 205 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: is the early nineties and you're trying to make your 206 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: bones and trying to get people to you know, at 207 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: least recognize your you know your abilities, and you you 208 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: would never pass up on a roll on a show 209 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: like this just because you might have some you know, reservation. 210 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: What you're trying to do is trying to work it 211 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: out in a way that you can find. I had 212 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: a way to play that character without making it you know, 213 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: um uh completely despicable, and that's what I was hoping 214 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: to do. You know. Well, clearly it was effective. You 215 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: made an impression on a lot of people enough for 216 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: them write letters. But you also made an impression enough 217 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: to for to lead to a really great gig after 218 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: and not not too I know for you, which was 219 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: One Tree Hill. Well, I mean that was many years later, 220 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: wasn't I think? When did we finish? I finished on 221 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: your show in ninety five four, and then I went 222 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: on into this series in Paris for a year, m 223 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: a spinoff of Highlander, and then I did Yeah, and 224 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: then I did um, did a bunch of shows for 225 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: for your dad after that. But then, thinking with you, 226 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: I loved working with him too. I was you know, 227 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I've lost both my parents and I'll tell 228 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: you something like they were always um the kind of 229 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: parents that that I liked about him, Like he was 230 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: just kind of super supportive of me and I could 231 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: do no wrong. You know. He has had a good 232 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: thought and always had something great to say in super 233 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: positive just and he always like just send me messages, 234 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: sweet messages. You know, like, great job kid, just just 235 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: a little pump, you know, just a little shot in 236 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: the arm. Yeah, really sweet. I think it was two 237 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: thousand and three. It was when I started on One 238 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: Tree Hill and then we went to two thousand and eleven. 239 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: That's a great run. It was a big run and 240 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: I had a really really good time and right, but 241 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: John Sears really was the you know, the seed which 242 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: became that character down at Scott you know, which was Mr. 243 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: Total Villain. I was like the you know, worldwide villain 244 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: dude for ever. I mean, and that was It's funny 245 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: because people drew a real correlation between the two characters 246 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: and there is a huge one. Wow. Yeah. What do 247 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: you remember about being like on the set? I mean 248 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: because you were friends. You were there with Jason who 249 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: had history with and like was it a good experience 250 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: on the SATNA too? I know, even though your character 251 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: is a little well, I mean, you know, it was interesting. 252 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: I was around for a little bit of the drama days. 253 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: You know, there was some drama. Drama are you talking 254 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: about drama? Yeah? What drama? We should say? Which one 255 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: you gons? I gotta go? Um, there was some you know, 256 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: I think people were um, we're I think, you know, look, 257 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: you guys were all such. I went with Jason on 258 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: a lot of events because at that point him and 259 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: I had spent a tremendous amount of time together and 260 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: he was very generous and allowing me to sort of 261 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: like sort of take him, go around with him on 262 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live and that kind of stuff that he did. 263 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: So I went with him, and I saw this huge 264 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: change in the world. I mean, there's a great story 265 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: I was really good for. I have to drop a 266 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: name on this one, but I just in a movie 267 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: with Robert Denny Jr. And him and I were like 268 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: really close buddies, and we were hanging out and we 269 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: were going to meet up with Jason. So we met. 270 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna be at this hotel and they go to 271 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: some parties something like that. So I'm standing there with 272 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: Robert and there's a bunch of girls like kind of 273 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: standing over there, and they're like, Oh, it's Robert Denny Jr. 274 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: Or what's Robert, Like, you know, six or seven girls 275 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: some that short party or something. Jason rolls up in 276 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: his Alpa. Roomeo gets out of the car and it's 277 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: like an explosion of screams and rights face drop and 278 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: just look at me and go, God, is he really 279 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: that famous? And I went, yeah, he is. He was 280 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: like literally, you know, I mean, you guys had the 281 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: biggest show in the history of the world at that time. 282 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: It was massive. So that can't do anything but change, 283 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, your perspective on life, and you think it's 284 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: always going to be that way when it's like that, 285 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Is it funny? Life becomes 286 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: quite humbling when you get alderts. So you're saying saying drama, 287 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: You're saying that some attitudes on set, perhaps maybe to you. 288 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: You guys were always nice to me. I'll be honest 289 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: with you. You You know, I kind of I've always strangely been, 290 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: you know, because Jason was my best friend. So I 291 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: was always sort of strangely sort of treated very very 292 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: kindly by everybody in a way that I kind of 293 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: didn't earn it because I was Jason's friend and everyone 294 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: loved jay Um and I think that I kind of 295 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: felt like I wanted to like earn people's friendship on 296 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: who I was on my own, but it was just 297 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: it was sweet that everyone was so nice to me, 298 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: and I kind of tried to make but it's hard 299 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: when you're when you guys have done guest stars. Now, 300 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, if you had really really huge career, so 301 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: you understand when you go to someone else's house, you 302 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: really kind of want to be respectful and not step 303 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: on toes and it really don't be the problem that 304 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: somebody else be the problem, you know. And that was 305 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: kind of my attitude on that show is I didn't 306 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: I didn't want to get any special treatment because Jason 307 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: was my best friend. I did one of these things, 308 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: so I really kind of wanted to earn my way. 309 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: So when there was something going on, I was trying 310 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: to make sure I take like two steps back and 311 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: just make sure I wasn't in any of it, you know. 312 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: But look, we had it on our show too. We 313 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: had tremendous like things. But that's the fun, right, That's 314 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: a family. Families do that they love each other. They 315 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: arguing families. Right, All right? Are you still friends with Jason? 316 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: Did you guys still hang out? Not so much. No, 317 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: we don't hang out so much. I mean, life is 318 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: I went away for ten years to North Carolina. Um, 319 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: you know, my wife and I were together for a 320 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: long time. We got separated, and you know, you know things, 321 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, the dynamics change and interest change. And he's 322 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: a tremendous human being, a very sweet and um I 323 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: don't you know the last time I think we spoke, 324 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: uh was I think, you know, after Luke's passing. We 325 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: had a few words. But you know, I see I 326 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: and all the time I saw I am. This weekend 327 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: I hung out with him. We went to we went 328 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: to an opening of the new um Roku and Boa 329 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: in Manhattan Beach together. Oh god, puper fun. And he's 330 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: just a sweetheart, and he's great. He's got those beautiful kids. 331 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: You know, he's great. He's the same exactly. He's just lovely. 332 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: He's Steve Sanders right right, yeah, all the best ways, 333 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: all the best ways. He's always a good friend to people. 334 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: And he's very practical, very practical. He looks, he looks 335 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: at the at the at you know, like like let's 336 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: just say you get a bill at a restaurant. He 337 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: actually reads it and looks at it and I rarely 338 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: like actually run it over to make sure it's right. 339 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: We got a good number. That's a good number, and 340 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: then you move on. Like he's very practical. You know, 341 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: did we order that? I don't think we ordered that. 342 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: He's lovely, it's beautiful, charming, and you know, it's just great. 343 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: It's I. It's I. It's like, you know, big Iron fans. Yeah, 344 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,239 Speaker 1: do you think in general people recognize you more from 345 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: nine two an One Tree Hill? That's how I was 346 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: going to ask, Oh, it's fun Well, obviously it's it's 347 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: an age thing. It's funny because the mothers, because there's 348 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: a lot of fans of One Tree Hill that are 349 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: you know, now older because the show, I guess we 350 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: ended in two thousand eleven. It's two two. So when 351 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: they first started watching it, let's say they were thirteen, 352 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: and now they're in their thirties. Well, their mothers in 353 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: their fifties were fans of Nano, which is like, okay, 354 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: so I have this generational jump here, and I love it. 355 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: I was at um and I Heart event with the 356 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: Drama Queens last weekend, just before I came back to 357 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: see Iron. Um. I was in the Philadelphia on their 358 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: Drama Queens tour and it was so many people were 359 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: yelling John on sears in the way and they were like, 360 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: and the girls, you know, Sophia and really like, Wow, 361 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: that show was big. I'm like it was huge, Like 362 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: we you know, we we were really once she was 363 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: a relatively small show compared to what two and was 364 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: in the in the scheme of things. Yeah, I mean, 365 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: I guess I don't. It was a huge hit too 366 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: so and a cult like a cult following. Yeah, that's 367 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: the appropriate word too. I don't know what's going to 368 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: happen with John and Kelly doesn't and I have a 369 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: feeling it's not going to go well because anything that 370 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: starts out in in a deceitful kind of energy way 371 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: as what is happening with their relationship because she has 372 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: a boyfriend, is it never ends well. So I wish 373 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: you would would have been a red herring. So we 374 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: like would have thought it was going that direction. And 375 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: he was a good guy. So wait, we thought you 376 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: were in twenty two episodes. We thought it was thirteen. Oh, 377 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm quite sure it's twenty two. If I've been telling 378 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: everybody twenty two this long, we might have the wrong information. No, 379 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: I google yourself. I want to get paid for the 380 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: ten episodes. It's okay. Jenny was on the c W 381 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: nine two and she thought she was on three episodes 382 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: and she was on twenty two, so I was only 383 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: on three. What show was that? Like the other nine? Yeah, 384 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: here we are Okay, it's says it's hold on a second, 385 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: it says, Um, Paul Johnson really good friends with Tory 386 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: and Jenny. Wow, that's awesome. That's IMDb. Who knew. I 387 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: don't know. Did you guys feel that it was like, um, 388 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: that there is kind of like, uh, I mean, the 389 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: thing is on our show? It was great about One 390 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: Hill was it became sort of like a female powerhouse show, 391 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: Like the girls rose to the top. Their storylines got 392 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: super powerful and really drove the show as the show 393 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: went on, Like it really sort of started off a 394 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: little balance, maybe a little bit pushing more towards the 395 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: young boys, but then it became sort of like taken 396 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: over by Hillary and Sophia and Joy. Their storylines became 397 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: so popular that they wrote in that direction because the 398 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: popularity was just there. Does that make sense, Yeah, it 399 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: makes sense, just because the audience while they love Brandon 400 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: and Dylan and Steve and David like they love looking 401 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: at them, they were probably more connected with the storylines 402 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: and the writing of the females. That's what I think too, 403 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: absolutely makes sense. Do you see did you? You? Can 404 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: you find it? So I'm looking at Seven Heaven, I'm 405 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: looking at all these other show They say how long 406 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: you would be on? Do they say it's one season? 407 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: Did they say, ah, damn it? Yeah. I think what 408 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: happened was I was supposed to do like I think, well, 409 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: I was supposed to do like two seasons, and what 410 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: happened was I did one half of the season and 411 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: then we jumped and then it came back. I think 412 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: for like one part of the second season wasn't the 413 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: finale wasn't. It might have been. It was a big show. 414 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 1: I know that. Oh I don't know either. We were 415 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: supposed to do two seasons, but then I don't. I 416 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: think maybe you've got so much hate mail because you 417 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: were so bad to Kelly that they were like, we can't. 418 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: I might have got I think I might have gotten 419 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: another show. I think what happened was that wasn't available. 420 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: I don't think they had booked me and like locked me. 421 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: I think what happened was I got another series, And 422 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: I think that's what happened. You've had a badass career. 423 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: You had worth so much. Like, damn, I've been really 424 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: really lucky. I feel like you're really good. That's why. Well, 425 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: you know what, don't you feel this way? Don't you 426 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: showl that you're actually better now than you ever were? Yeah, 427 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just kidding. I don't know. I look 428 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: at that. You look at material now and you you 429 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: break it down. You figure out what your character is about, 430 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: and you figure out ways to put like an influence 431 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: on the character, to drive that character was sort of 432 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: with more meaning than was maybe Evelan intended. And so 433 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: you bring this depth to your characters. It really, for 434 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: me is the fund now. I didn't love acting when 435 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: I was on because I didn't I didn't have the 436 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: training that I that I've got later, you know in 437 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: my career, when I just really started focusing on understanding 438 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: what we were really doing and and really saw the 439 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: complex rules coming my way and not being able. I mean, 440 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: there's there's a I went in for an audition for 441 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: a guy named uh Um Lawrence Casting, who you know, 442 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: did like some of my favorite movies, right, terrific direct, 443 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: huge director, and I went in and apparently I was 444 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: his number one choice for the lead rule in the 445 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: movie with uh Um Meg Ryan and it was like 446 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: this breakout rule. And I came in and I had 447 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: just given an audition. I had worked on my own 448 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: and then when I got to the final callback, my 449 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: agent said, before you go in, I gotta send you 450 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: to this acting coach. They're gonna help you refine this character, 451 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: and they everybody works with this person gets the job. 452 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: I went and I went great. So I went to 453 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,239 Speaker 1: this acting coach and they worked with me and they 454 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: started giving me this thing called space props, and I 455 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,239 Speaker 1: said what and he showed me basically what it was 456 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: was I was pretending I had a suitcase. I was 457 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: pretending I had my shoes, I was bringing it, putting 458 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: on a jacket. I was like basically acting with no props. 459 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: And I was like, this is a little silly. I 460 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: don't this is not what I did. When I got 461 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: the call back, and they're like, this always works. So 462 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: I worked with this book and I decided, Okay, I 463 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: gotta trust my agent. I was with William Morris wasn't 464 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: like that whatever, So I went. So I walked into 465 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: the audition and there was Timothy Hudson, Vincent Denofrio, Matt 466 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: Dillon um Unit and Kevin Bacons like that and me 467 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: and they were all big stars. And Lawrence Casting himself 468 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: comes out of the office and goes, Paul, come on in, 469 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: and they were kind of like, who's this guy going 470 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: to the office, and he goes, just want you to know, 471 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: I want you for this part. I've already told everybody 472 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: I have to see these other guys. It's like, you know, 473 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: because you know they're obligation or whatever, but really this 474 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 1: is your just let's just do what you did on 475 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: your tape and we'll be great. And I said, I said, well, sure, 476 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: let me show you what I've done. And I got 477 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: up and I got my luggage and I got my 478 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: shoes and he stopped me, what are you doing? What 479 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: are you doing? And he looked like like okay, just 480 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: like gutted a dolphin on his run and he said 481 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: what is that? And I said, well, these are my 482 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: space props and he looked at me like I was 483 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: insane and I said yeah, I like I got you know, 484 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: don't you see my luggage and my grief guys and 485 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I was fully button and he said 486 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: thanks for coming in. No, no, did you say I'll 487 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 1: go back and do it. I've had my agents call 488 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: agents called this was like it literally Timothy Hudson got 489 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: the part. It was called Timothy Hudton and and it 490 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: was like something in a Forget Something. Oh my god, 491 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: I know this movie. Yeah, and that was it something 492 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: I forget Paris or something in Paris. Right, I could 493 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: look it up and anyway that that's one of those 494 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: situations you don't fix it an broke because you say 495 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: the acting coach, Um, I think at that point it 496 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: was just too or something no, I didn't put Eventually, Eventually, yes, 497 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: right now, you know, I know, but you know, my 498 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: life went in a direction where I'm very happy, and 499 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: you know about your life. I have an eleven year 500 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: old boy. His name is Quinn, and it's just him 501 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 1: and I were just you know, you know, he's only 502 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: to the Science Academy. He's a little genius and he's 503 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: a lovable nerd and he's all about and you know 504 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: we do homework together and um, you know, and it's 505 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: just great. It's just you know, I I work a 506 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 1: lot of producing and producing. At Cassidy's last film, Um, 507 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: I'm producing another one coming up. I'm directed a few things, 508 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: and I write a lot and uh and you know 509 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: I've got I did five films last year acting. I'm 510 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: heading to Detroit to do one and then I gonna 511 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: go to Bulgarian do another one this year. So I'm 512 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: working and things are fun. It's not like, you know, 513 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't own a you know, castle in 514 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: the mountains. Yeah, but you're working. And my life is small, 515 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: just so you know, I have, like I'm really I 516 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: have very keep my friends really small. H my nut 517 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: is small. I keep everything. It's a really sort of 518 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: like really you know what I mean. It kind of 519 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: like controllable life. You know, I'm not. I don't. I'm 520 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: not the same. I'm not figure out what works for 521 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: you and and cater to that. And you're smart to 522 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: do that, to keep things in your safe zone, because 523 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: why in this day and age, like it's scary out there, 524 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: like it's better to keep it strong. John Sears has 525 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: all grown up. Ye, you've got a jerk anymore. Well, 526 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: it was a character. Hopefully nice people to see that 527 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: you were nothing like that character. He's an actor, you guys. Yeah, well, 528 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Dan Scott didn't help that much. 529 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: But I've made. I've made quite a career. I'm playing 530 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: bad guys. But you don't think about your favorite bad 531 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: guys in history, right. A lot of them were like 532 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Some of them are just 533 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: like I love Christof Wentz, like I love what's his 534 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: name is Christopher? No, Christoph? Is it Christof? I don't know, 535 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: you know, from the Django unchained um Waltz, christ Waltz 536 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: like guys like that, like those guys do wonderful bad guys. 537 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's really a great career. Larry Hagman, who 538 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: was on one of your dead took me aside and said, 539 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: I told him, like when I was playing these bad guys, 540 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: he goes, it's the greatest compliment they could ever give 541 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: to you, because nobody remembers that good guys on that. 542 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna let you go. But thank you so much 543 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: for joining us. It was really nice reconnecting with you. 544 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, grateful, Bye bye. He's nicey, he's actually really nice. 545 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: He's got a jerk. No, he's acting. We want to 546 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: know what the drama though. We ought to have him 547 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: back on then he didn't. He didn't spill the tea. 548 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: Now we should have him back on when like things 549 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: get really bad, once you know what he's going to 550 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: be to Kelly. Oh, that's what we should have him 551 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: back in. All right, let's do it.