1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Clay, 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: We've been talking about pardon power recently, and there's the 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: discussion as to whether Hunter Biden would get pardoned by 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, especially given that Joe has an alias that 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: he was using allegedly according to the House of Representatives 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: the Oversight Committee led by Comer, that's an interesting moment 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: in time. Can Trump pardon himself not just from federal 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: but also from possible state crimes which candidates would offer 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: to pardon. We know that Viveig, for example, has already 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: said that he would he would pardon Donald Trump. Ron 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: de Santis has intimated that he is I think likely 12 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: to because he said it is an injustice what is 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: going on, but he's not as forceful on. 14 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: It as Vivag. 15 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: If memory serves memorably on this show, Mike Pence is 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,639 Speaker 1: not offering to pardon Donald Trump, and I. 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 2: Kind of get the sense. 18 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: I kind of get the sense that he thinks he 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: should go to prison the more the more I hear 20 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: him talk about it, which to me is you know, 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 3: you got to put the country the country first, and 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 3: to lock up To advocate for locking up Trump and 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 3: the call yours off. 24 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: A Republican is I think crazy? But you know, Vivek again, 25 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: we talked about a lot last hour. I just want 26 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: to point out here he is. He is saying that 27 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that he would part 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: if he became president. 29 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: I just want everyone to hear this list. 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 4: The prosecution obviously makes the most aggressive statement of its 31 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 4: case in the indictment, and assuming that's the case here 32 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 4: as it is in any other case, I will absolutely 33 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 4: pardon Trump on day one January twentieth, twenty twenty five, 34 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 4: when I'm in office, I expect to maybe making tens 35 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 4: of pardons on day one. I think there are countless 36 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 4: Americans who have been the victims of politically motivated persecutions. 37 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 4: Through prosecution peaceful protesters on January sixth, January six defendants 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 4: who actually have had constitutional due process violations. Julian Aslam 39 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 4: is someone I've specifically identified as somebody I would absolutely 40 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 4: pardon Ross olbrit Douglas Mackie, others. 41 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: So he's naming a number of people. They're interesting, you know, 42 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: he has a he has a lot of friends in 43 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: tech and Silicon Valley, and some of the people he's 44 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: talked about there have been involved in global internet issues. 45 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: The Ross Olbricht, I think the dread Scott pirate, right, 46 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: that was his name on. 47 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: I don't even know who that is. 48 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was the Silk Road guy. And am 49 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: I right? I'm going off memory. You guys know what 50 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. C Ran silk Road are dred Scott 51 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: Roberts or dred Scott's dread pirate, dread pirate, I forget 52 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: his name. He had some online name. Help me out here. 53 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: Everyone's look at me like I'm crazy. All right, I'm 54 00:02:58,480 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: going off of memory. 55 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what you and the super tech bros 56 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: are on that one? I I don't know, but I 57 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: do think that this is an example when we had 58 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: this antis on right after Regat and I just say, yes, 59 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: everything everything I said just now is is actually I 60 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: shouldn't doubt myself. 61 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: Yes, he is the Silk Road guy. Uh, YadA, YadA, 62 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: he's he's the guy. Go ahead, what is silk Road? 63 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: Because I've got a huge and that's the online yeah, online, 64 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: dark web, dark web marketplace. Okay, so he was he 65 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: was running this and he got I think he's got life. 66 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 1: Uh so you know there's a whole. And then there's 67 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: the Julia Assange conversation as well. So he's going at 68 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: dread pirate Roberts, I nailed a team. 69 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: I nailed it. 70 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: The buck needs to bet on himself. I don't know why. 71 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, am I. This was off 72 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: the top of my head. I hadn't googled this or 73 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: anything beforehand. So but he's talking about all these guys. 74 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: Here's why I want to bring this up. 75 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 5: Click. 76 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: It's interesting, isn't that the power to pardon is something that, 77 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, the founding fathers were very clear to include 78 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: very you know, very explicit powers that exist. And you 79 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: look at the tensions in this country politically right now, 80 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: and you look at the way there has been the 81 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: weaponization of the justice department itself, and maybe it's easier 82 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: for some people. You look back at different times in 83 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: you know, English or British history, and there's an understanding 84 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: that sometimes the system itself is a weapon against those 85 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: who are a political challenge. And so our founders recognize 86 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: to kind of cool everything down, you need to have 87 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: something where it's possible for people to say we're just 88 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: going to we're just going to move forward. And we're 89 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: not going to continue with this. And I think that 90 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: this is central right now to the and Vivek was 91 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: talking about this allowing the country to heal, to stop 92 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: all of this nonsense, to wipe the away. But to 93 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: that end, you know, you brought this up. Would would 94 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, for example, pardon pardon Trump? Is there a 95 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: future in which either Trump or Vivic would say, obviously 96 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: pardoning myself or all Trump related issues, and to move 97 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: the country forward, pardon the Biden related issues as well 98 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: if they win. Not in advance of that, I. 99 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: Think they should. And I would encourage Vivaike or Trump 100 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: or Ron DeSantis or anybody else out there to start 101 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: saying that. And I said it on this show a 102 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. Buck, I said to me, the 103 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: only way, for instance, that Joe Biden could politically end 104 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: up running for re election after pardoning his son would 105 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: also be if he pardoned Trump. Now he also could 106 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: still get another bite at that apple. Joe Biden could 107 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: Buck because the state charges. Although we've had a debate 108 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: about whether the president could potentially pardon himself on state 109 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: charges as well, it has to do with presidential powers 110 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: and all sorts of supremacy clause issues and everything else. 111 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 2: Biden could get a bite at that apple buck because 112 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: he could pardon him Trump on federal charges and still 113 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: know the state charges were pending, and then claim rightly 114 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: that he was not involved in those. That to me 115 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: is what a president would do if he or she 116 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: truly cared about trying to stand on principle and bring 117 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: the country together, which is the justification Gerald Ford used 118 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 2: when he pardoned Richard Nixon back in nineteen seventy six 119 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: or whatever. 120 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: That's exactly right, and that's really what I think we're 121 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: starting to see as a as a necessary step forward 122 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: here and understanding how this all comes together. George Washington 123 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: used the power of pardon as president for the Whiskey rebellion, 124 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: so an actual rebellion, right, an actual insurrection of sorts. 125 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: Use the pardon power for. 126 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: Those individuals who for some of the individuals who were 127 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: engaged in that, to give them amnesty to move the 128 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: country forward. So it is interesting at some level I 129 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: think that there's I don't want to say optimism because 130 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: we're just at the beginning of all of this, but 131 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: the Founding Fathers, what they said in motion was pretty 132 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: damn smart. And you can see how this ability to 133 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: heal the nation that is written into the Constitution through 134 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: the power of pardon. I think we think of a 135 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: lot now as oh, it's something you do at the 136 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: end for some people maybe that are connected, or maybe 137 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: that you think got you know, a rough sentence or 138 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: something it's on the way out. It's actually really important. 139 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,119 Speaker 1: It's a really important political mechanism for bringing the country together. 140 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: I mean Washington himself recognized that. 141 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: No, and Buck building on the history here, think about 142 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: how Lincoln was going to respond to the Civil War 143 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: when it ended. Think about how for those of you 144 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: who have studied history, think about how Grant responded when 145 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: Lee surrendered to him. And there were criticisms then that 146 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: Grant had been far too conciliatory in what he allowed 147 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: the Confederate soldiers to keep, I think a weapon, if 148 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: I remember correctly, their horses. They fed them almost immediately 149 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: because the Confederate army had virtually no rations, so they 150 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: put they didn't just lay down arms. Remember if you 151 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: study when the when the Confederate Army turned their muskets 152 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: over Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain had all of the Union soldiers 153 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: standing there salute the Confederate army as they walked by, 154 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: honoring them at a time, you know, one of. 155 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: The more powerful, yeah, one of the more powerful moments 156 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: in Band of Brothers, one of the you know, I mean, 157 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: there's a lot of very powerful moments and brothers, to 158 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: be clear, but one of the more memorable, I should say, 159 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: is your recall. He wasn't SS, but it was the German. Uh, 160 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: the German essentially general of an area, was allowed to 161 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: once they had surrendered and once the war was over, 162 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: address his soldiers with some dignity. Now you could say, 163 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you know they had been in World 164 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: War two and all thetron these, yes, but they were 165 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: trying to pacify and it was actually an Austria, I believe, 166 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: is where this part of them and the idea was 167 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: do we want to keep fighting in you know, because 168 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: because Hitler had a whole plan for an insurgency to 169 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: continue and go to the mountains of Bavaria and the 170 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: whole thing. Do we want this to stop and everyone 171 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: gets to live in a more peaceful future and stop 172 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: shooting each other or not? And that was some of 173 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: these concessions, some of these concessions were made. Mercy is 174 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: a part of justice, is really the fundamental principle. 175 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: And if you study appomatics, and I'm a nerd, I have. 176 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: There was an argument made to Lee generally by some 177 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 2: of his soldiers. Yes, we're in dire straits. Now disband 178 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: the army, but let's continue gorilla combat until the South 179 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 2: can end up with its own independence. Like in other words, 180 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: the tens of thousands of men that are currently in 181 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: the Army of Northern Virginia, just have them sneak out, 182 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: and then we'll have all of these different rebel bands 183 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: that are able to arise and attack and will never 184 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: allow the South to be conquered because we'll basically have 185 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: perpetual war and aggression. At least that he wouldn't do that, 186 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: And so the way that that response is, this is 187 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: what I'm hitting at. If Joe Biden actually was the 188 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: person that he claimed. 189 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: That he was a unifier, like what his whole campaign was, Yes, 190 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: if he were that, then that would be a strong 191 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: argument to make. 192 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: I would also say this, Buck, this is why I 193 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: was so fired up about Pence, because Pence his entire 194 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: campaign for people, who remember when I asked him about 195 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: the pardon thing. I think it's important to stand on 196 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 2: principle over politics, and that's not just a phrase. If 197 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 2: you and I would say the same thing that Joe 198 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: Biden to Mike Pence, to everybody else, what is happening 199 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: to Donald Trump is wrong and it should be considered 200 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 2: wrong whether you're a Democrat, whether you're a Republican, or 201 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: whether you're an independent, and I would encourage. And this 202 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: is when we had DeSantis on I made the argument 203 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: at the time. I think this Antis should have come 204 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: out aggressively immediately and said, yes, I'm going to pardon 205 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: Trump because it's wrong. It's wrong. And I think you 206 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: could make the same argument on Hunter Biden because then 207 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 2: it gets harder to attack the Trump thing and just say, look, 208 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 2: I don't think that we should try to put people 209 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: in prison who are involved in politics. As a principle, 210 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 2: one opposition party shouldn't be trying to do it to 211 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: the other. 212 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: When you look at the history of this country of 213 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: the usage of the pardon power, it has been deployed 214 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: in order to try to heal the nation in some 215 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: way and move it forward, not based on this person 216 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: was innocent or didn't do bad things or you know whatever. 217 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: Some of the did terrible things, but it's there is 218 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: something more here than retributive justice in this case, there 219 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: can be something bigger. I mean you think even of 220 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: the pardon of the head of the con I mean 221 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: there was the pardon of the head of Confederacy by 222 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: President Johnson, right, yeah, which was you know, people, very 223 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: controversial and unconditional and without reservation, full part in an 224 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: amnesty for treason against the United States, the Whiskey Rebellion, 225 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: George Washington, for insurrection against the United States. So for 226 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: all these people who were saying, oh, you know, it's 227 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: this is what needs to happen, and it's terrible and 228 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, the country's gonna come apart at 229 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: the seams. There is this mechanism here for trying to 230 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: move forward. But the question is who's going to have 231 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: that power and who's willing. 232 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: To use it? 233 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: And what would Donald Trump if he wins, what. 234 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: Whose statesman like enough to do? That's right, that's the challenge. 235 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: Who would who would step up to move the country 236 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: forward in that way? Now I think a lot of 237 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: people right now thinking this is even crazy talk. We 238 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: got to get in there and we have to we 239 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: have to win. That's that's step one. But what does 240 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: it look like afterwards? So I view it as there's 241 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: the founders were really smart. They thought this stuff through, 242 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: they understood history, and you know, I don't think national 243 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: divorce is an inevitability here. You know, if Trump wins, 244 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: there are other options. 245 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: Look at you being super optimistic, and I would, because 246 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: I'm going on vacation, I'm in a good roek today, 247 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: I would say this. Think about it two different perspectives. 248 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: There's the eye for an eye, retributive justice, which is, Okay, 249 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 2: they're trying to put us in prison, We're going to 250 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: try to put them in prison. I think that threat 251 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:28,479 Speaker 2: is necessary. But there's also a redemptive Instead of retributive justice, 252 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 2: there is a redemptive aspect of this, which is we're 253 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: going to be equal parts forgiving. And that's why I said, like, 254 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: if Joe Biden was who he claimed to be, he 255 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: would pardon Trump, and he would pardon his own son, 256 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 2: and he would say this is nasty, this is toxic, 257 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: It's time to turn the page. Let's argue about ideas. 258 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: He's not that person, but if he were, that's what 259 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 2: he would do. But I think it's interesting. 260 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: I know, for and right now the posture from Trump 261 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: has to be scorched earth, all out anything to beat them, 262 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: and I think that that's the correct post in his mindset. 263 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: But remember all the locker up chants, all the locker 264 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 1: up chants. What happened when Trump won that incredible twenty 265 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: sixteen victory. He put the best interests of the country forward. Now, 266 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: I don't think the Democrats would do this. That's why 267 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: winning is so important. But I think that it may 268 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: be more complicated, or maybe more of a conversation if 269 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: you have a second Trump administration. Here, it's an all 270 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: the Towers Foundation delivers on its promise to do good 271 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: and never forget the sacrifice is America's greatest heroes have 272 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: made for US, heroes who risk their lives to keep 273 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: our communities in our country safe. Here is like Marine 274 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: Corps Captain and pilot Jeremy John Jeremy Sachs. SAX sustained 275 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: fatal injuries when his military aircraft crashed during training, killing 276 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: him and five other service members. 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Breaking Trump plans to skip the debate 296 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: that is Wednesday's Republican debate airing on Fox News to 297 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: do an interview with Tucker Carlson instead. Here's the opening paragraph. 298 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: Former President Trump plans to upstage the first Republican primary 299 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: debate on Wednesday by sitting for an online interview with 300 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: the former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. According to multiple 301 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: people briefed on the matter, Trump's told people close to 302 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: him he's made up his mind. We'll skip the debate 303 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: in Milwaukee. And anyway, this is going to be a 304 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: monster thing because now Tucker Carlson, who is feuding with 305 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: Fox News, is going to be interviewing Trump theoretically, based 306 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: on this New York Times report during the Fox News 307 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: Republican debate. 308 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: Look, Trump might have found out from somebody that I 309 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: was going to be overseas and he's like, well, you know, 310 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: I can't put on my best if the Buckster is 311 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: not going to be around. So you know, I'll hang 312 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: with my man Tucker, and I'll do the debate the 313 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: next time. 314 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: So this is a big story because if Trump's not 315 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 2: going to do August buck why would he ever do 316 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: any debates. 317 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that he will. I think he may 318 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: just say that people know me, they know what I do, 319 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: they know what I stand for. That's it, I mean, 320 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: and only there's only downside for him unless the numbers 321 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 1: shift dramatically against him. There's only downside, and for Tucker 322 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: to be able to stick his thumb in Fox's News's 323 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: eye like this. This is the biggest event Fox News 324 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: will have all year, and he now is going to 325 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: be in theory upstaging it with the Donald Trump interview. 326 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: Ah, I mean yeah, that's your popcorn. I mean this 327 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: is this is this is pretty interesting on multiple different 328 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: levels for sure. 329 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: Speaking of Fox before my my swan song before Vacation 330 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: is going to be I'll be on Gutfeldt tonight so 331 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: people can tell there you got out. 332 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: That's always fun. 333 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: Our friend Dutch Mendenhall has written a new book. It's 334 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: titled Money Shackles, and it takes on the myth of 335 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: debt in America. Debt like car loan, student loan, stuff 336 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: like that. 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That's th E r A d thrad dot Com. 355 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 2: Leady Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth. 356 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 2: Buck off to Scotland with a quick stop with Greg 357 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: Guttfeld in the meantime. Should be a really cool trip. 358 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: I'm jealous of the fun that he is going to 359 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 2: have there. We'll be with you all next week. And 360 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: as we were just talking with Buck, breaking news here 361 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: and I put up a poll question because I'm curious 362 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: how you guys would respond to this. Donald Trump, according 363 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: to The New York Times, has made the decision to 364 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: skip the first Republican debate that is in Milwaukee on 365 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: Wednesday of next week, and instead, according to the Times 366 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: is going to do an interview with Tucker Carlson that 367 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 2: airs at the same time. In theory, that interview would 368 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: air on on I guess Twitter through Tucker Carlson's Twitter platform. 369 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 2: There you can go vote in the poll because I'm 370 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: curious to see what you guys would say. Hundreds of 371 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 2: you voting right now at Clay Travis. You can find 372 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 2: me on Twitter right now with one thousand votes in 373 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: fifty four percent say it's a good move, forty six 374 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 2: percent say it's a bad move. We'll see how those 375 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 2: numbers move eight hundred and two eight two two eight 376 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 2: a two. You guys can react to that news as 377 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: well on the on the phone lines. Now, the other 378 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: aspect of this, as we get ready for the official 379 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 2: first primary uh in uh, I guess it's caucus in 380 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 2: Iowa in January. The first debate really is massive because 381 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 2: you and me and everybody out there who's listening. We've 382 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: had every single Republican candidate major at least on this program. 383 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 2: You've had an opportunity to listen to them talk with 384 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: all of you. But how are these guys going to 385 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: appeal to a lot of people who are just casually 386 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 2: paying attention. Now, this will detract I would think Trump 387 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 2: doing a sit down interview with Tucker Carlson with the 388 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 2: audience that would be watching the debate on Fox News 389 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: somewhat still, I would think there will be twenty million 390 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: people who will sit down, turn on the television, turn 391 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 2: on the television, and watch that debate take place. And 392 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 2: we were talking about the fact that Ron DeSantis' debate 393 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: prep has leaked. But I think based on how that 394 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 2: first debate goes, you're going to be able to say 395 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 2: there's only four or five legitimate candidates right now. Everybody 396 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 2: else is done. And I would say, right now, if 397 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: I were power ranking the candidates, I would say that 398 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 2: there is a clear number one. He's Donald Trump, and 399 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 2: he believes he's done so much and done enough to 400 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 2: get your vote that he's not even going to show 401 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: up for the Republican debate in August to slap in 402 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: the face in many ways to the RNC, certainly a 403 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: direct slap in the face to Fox News. If Trump 404 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: doesn't show up at all, he thinks he's done enough, 405 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 2: he thinks he's going to be the nominee. He's already 406 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 2: focused on the general. Trump is clearly number one right now, 407 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: as you would assess the power rankings, Number two I 408 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: would still say is run DeSantis. But I would say 409 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 2: that vivik Ramaswami is far closer to DeSantis now at 410 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 2: two than anybody is to Trump at one. In other words, 411 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: if this were the horse race metaphor, Trump is far 412 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 2: out into the distance. He's created space for himself the 413 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: likes of which nobody really, I think, would have expected. 414 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 2: I told this Trump to Trump yesterday when I saw 415 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: him here in Nashville, said, I gotta be honest with you. 416 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: If you had told me in January that you were 417 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 2: going to have opened up a forty point lead on 418 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: the rest of the poll, I would have said, there's 419 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: no way that would have happened. So I mean I 420 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: said it to Trump myself yesterday. I never thought that 421 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 2: he would open up this big of a lead. But 422 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 2: he has forty point lead, thirty point lead, whatever you 423 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 2: want to say. Trump is far out ahead, so far 424 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: out ahead that he doesn't even think he really needs 425 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: I told you that in his address yesterday. He talked 426 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: for over an hour at the Nashville event that I attended. 427 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 2: He barely mentioned any of the other Republican candidates. Almost 428 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: his entire speech was focused on how bad of a 429 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: job Joe Biden has done. Trump is starting to pivot 430 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: towards the general election already because he believes he's going 431 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: to be the nominee. So it's Trump second place. I 432 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: would still say DeSantis, but the vike Rama Swami has 433 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 2: edged up. And if you question that, you can look 434 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: at the advice that DeSantis's team published that everybody was reading. 435 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: That was a head a lead story yesterday where they said, hey, 436 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: you need to attack the vike Rama Swami because the 437 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 2: debate now is going to be an audition for number two, 438 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: which I will get to in a moment. So you 439 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: got the vike Ramaswami I think is clearly in the 440 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 2: third spot. In the fourth spot, I would say probably, 441 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 2: depending on how you want to assess Iowa and how 442 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 2: you want to assess New Hampshire, I think you'd probably 443 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 2: say Tim Scott, and he's about to spend a lot 444 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 2: of money. He has big dollars behind him. And then 445 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 2: in the five spot, I would say Chris Christy. I 446 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: think everybody else is done, and you could say, well, 447 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 2: Chris Christy has no chance. Chris Christy is number two 448 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 2: in some of the New Hampshire polling. I think there 449 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 2: are five guys, and they're all guys. I think everybody 450 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 2: else is done. I think Mike Pence is done. I 451 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: think Nikki Hayley is done. I think that Doug Bergram, 452 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: however you pronounce his name, I think he never had 453 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 2: a chance. And Larry Elder and Will Hurd and all 454 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: these other guys out there that are running that most 455 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 2: of you have never heard of, I think all those 456 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 2: guys are finished. I think there are five contenders right now. 457 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 2: And if you listen to what Trump's saying, he's saying 458 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 2: everybody else should drop out. The Wall Street Journal interesting editorial, 459 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 2: they're saying, actually, we need limited number of candidates going 460 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 2: forward because there's too much distraction. I think they're five guys, 461 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 2: guys that still have a chance, a lot of them 462 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 2: very small chance. Trump's a prohibitive favorite at this point. 463 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 2: There's five guys that still have a chance. I would 464 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 2: suggest to you that unless something crazy happens, what comes 465 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: out of Wednesday's debate is going to be those five 466 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: guys have a chance. Everybody else is done. As we 467 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: get ready for the September debate, and I think based 468 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: on the precedent that is now out there, Trump is 469 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 2: making the decision to say I am not going to 470 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 2: debate at all because I don't need to. Everybody knows me. 471 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: I'm the choice. And the question that is out there 472 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: that you guys are going to have to decide is 473 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: you will watch the debate on Wednesday. Most of you 474 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 2: have opinions pro or con of Trump already, and there 475 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: will be I think four guys on that debate stage 476 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 2: that stand out. I think it will be Ron DeSantis, 477 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 2: I think it will be the veg g Ramaswami. I 478 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: think it will be Tim Scott, and I think it'll 479 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: be Chris Christy. And that's it. I think you're going 480 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: to look at everybody else and be like, yeah, thanks, 481 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: no thanks. So the question becomes how quickly does everybody 482 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 2: else come to this same conclusion that I'm coming to. 483 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 2: And by the way, eight hundred and eight two two 484 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 2: eight eight two, you may look at me and say, Clay, 485 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: your power five, your ranking of the Republican candidates is 486 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 2: totally wrong. Somebody else out there has a chance. I 487 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: haven't seen it. I haven't seen anybody else outside of 488 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: those five do anything to elevate elevate themselves into the 489 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 2: first tiers. You remember when they had the AD team 490 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: debate and the B team debate on Fox News back 491 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, and they had so many people running 492 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: that they had the second tier contenders, and they had 493 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 2: their own like JV debate. I went to a seventh 494 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 2: grade football game last night. My seventh grader started to play. 495 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 2: It's basically JV. It's only seventh graders. Then they have 496 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: the eighth grade, then they got the JV, then they 497 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 2: got the actual varsity. I feel like we've got the 498 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: varsity squad. The var city squad is the five I 499 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 2: just mentioned. Now, I'm not saying that all of those 500 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: guys are going to have a shot to win, meaning 501 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: I don't think Chris Christy is suddenly going to surge up. 502 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 2: But I do think fifteen percent or twenty percent of 503 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: people might be willing to support Chris Christy, and I 504 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 2: think he could make a real run in New Hampshire 505 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 2: in the northeast, where the Republican Party has a different 506 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 2: vibe than it does in South Carolina, let's say, than 507 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: it does in Iowa. It's a different kind of electorate 508 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: it's only five guys. Trump is saying, I'm the king, 509 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 2: I'm the guy. I don't even need to worry about 510 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: these other four guys. They are running to be my 511 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 2: VP basically, and they can audition and they can fight. 512 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 2: Now the question that's going to emerge, I really believe 513 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis doesn't want to be Trump's VP, and given 514 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 2: the complexities of them both being from the state of Florida, 515 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 2: I think DeSantis is the one guy you can say 516 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: there's no chance he's going to be Trump's VP. I 517 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 2: don't think the math on it works. I don't think 518 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 2: he wants it. Chris Christie clearly doesn't want it. He 519 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 2: hates Trump. He's running basically to attack Trump. That would 520 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 2: suggest that Vivek Ramaswami and Tim Scott are actually the 521 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 2: two contenders in the Republican debates and in the overall 522 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: race that are angling for each other. So here's an 523 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: early preview for you. Sometimes you can tell what the 524 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: candidates think of their positioning not by what they say 525 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 2: about others, but by how they go after each other. 526 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 2: Desantas sees Viveke as a threat. That's who he's going 527 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: to attack because he's trying to preserve his number two spot. 528 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 2: Viveke I think sees both DeSantis, but more primarily Tim 529 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 2: Scott as his debate because I think in the back 530 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: of his mind Vivek is contemplating, Hey, I could be VP. 531 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 2: Who's my top opposition of the candidates to be Trump's VP. 532 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: I think it's Tim Scott. So I bet there'll be 533 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: some fireworks potentially between the Vake and Tim Scott on 534 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: that debate stage. And then Chris Christy's just going to 535 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: be running around trying to mow people down like crazy, 536 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: but in particular, his primary point of attack is going 537 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 2: to be going after Donald Trump. That's my preview by 538 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 2: the way of where we are heading. And let me 539 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 2: just say this, I do think you need to contemplate 540 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 2: and think about it. You may have a strong opinion 541 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: of many of these candidates. Right now, you're listening to 542 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 2: this show, you're plugged in politically, A lot of people 543 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 2: aren't paying attention. Your neighbor has probably been way more 544 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 2: focused on trying to make sure their kids are ready 545 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: to start school and not paying attention to the nitty 546 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: gritty of the Republican debate five months before anybody's going 547 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: to be able to vote in the primary. So my 548 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 2: bet is that Viveke is going to emerge from this 549 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: Republican debate. A ton of people are going to be like, 550 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: I've never heard of this dude before. I think he's 551 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,719 Speaker 2: going to really surge, and I think then you're going 552 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: to have a real battle, because remember, you want to 553 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: be the alternative to Trump. Everybody's really fighting for the 554 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: number two spot right now in this race. I think 555 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: what we're going to see is those five guys are 556 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 2: going to emerge Trump who's not going to be there. 557 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 2: The other four that I just laid out, DeSantis, Vivek, Scott, 558 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: and Christy and that's it. And really, if the RNC 559 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: was doing its job, it would say, okay, we're down 560 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 2: to five. Set the categories so we don't have this 561 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: huge mass of candidates. If you can't get the number 562 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: of donors, you're not a viable candidate. I understand why 563 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: you want to run. It makes you money. You can 564 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 2: sell more books, something that I certainly know about. I'm 565 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 2: on the book selling tour right now. But these guys, 566 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: a lot of them, and these girls don't really have 567 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 2: a chance to actually end up as the nominee and 568 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 2: once you know that you're not going to be the nominee, 569 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 2: there should be a mechanism by which you get forced 570 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: off the stage. By the way, I was just texting 571 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: during the commercial break. Sage Steele is scheduled now to 572 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 2: join us at the top of the next hour. 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I was in Scotland, oh, 600 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 2: twenty years ago. Scotland looks like, in many places, a 601 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: fantasy world. I think Buck's gonna love it, he and 602 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 2: his wife. The number of incre credible castles that you 603 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 2: can tour that are in close proximity, let's say, to Edinburgh, 604 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: and in the summer, the weather is absolutely phenomenal, especially 605 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 2: if you're ready to not be super hot in many 606 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 2: parts of the country, as a lot of you are. 607 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: As we come up on the end of August. Now 608 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 2: it's going to be a really really fun trip for him. 609 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: But so next week we'll be breaking down the primary 610 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 2: and everything else with Buck on the road. A lot 611 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,959 Speaker 2: of you want to weigh in. I want to take 612 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 2: some of your calls here a reminder Sage Steele scheduled 613 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 2: to join us in the third hour she left ESPN. 614 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 2: I think she probably had some interesting things to say 615 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 2: about who is allowed to speak and what they're allowed 616 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 2: to say in many different parts of American media. Right now, 617 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 2: I ask the question. News breaking in the last twenty 618 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 2: minutes that Trump is reportedly not going to go to 619 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 2: the Republican debate and instead that he is going to 620 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: do an interview with Tucker Carlson and they're both going 621 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: to spurn Fox News. And there are now ten thou 622 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 2: thousand of you have voted in the first twenty minutes, 623 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 2: and fifty nine percent of you say good move, forty 624 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 2: one percent of you say bad move. You guys can 625 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 2: certainly weigh in and then see whether or not you 626 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 2: agree with what those poll what that poll is showing you. 627 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 2: I'm at Clay Travis on Twitter. You can find me there. 628 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,919 Speaker 2: Tracy in Sarasota what's your take? 629 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 6: Hi, guys, much respect for taking over Limba spot. I 630 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 6: just wanted to say first that I love Trump. I 631 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 6: will probably put from again, as I really feel like 632 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 6: he's the best president we've ever had since Reagan. I 633 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 6: know Trump and Tucker probably want to stick it to 634 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 6: Fox News. I feel the same way, but I just 635 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 6: think at this point it's not about Fox. It's about 636 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 6: the candidates and the voters, and I just think it's 637 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 6: disrespectful to do it at the exact same time when 638 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 6: everyone should be watching the candidates and let them have 639 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 6: their say. 640 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 2: That's it. Thank you for the call. I appreciate the argument. 641 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 2: I think that's a very reason take. If you want 642 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 2: to watch everybody, and there's probably a lot of you 643 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 2: out there, say, man, I'd like to watch Trump and Tucker, 644 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 2: and I'd also like to watch the Republican debate. In fact, 645 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 2: I would submit that's probably the majority of this audience, 646 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 2: and so doing it simultaneously. I think Tracy makes a 647 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 2: good point that could be considered somewhat disrespectful of the 648 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 2: debate itself in terms of the timing. Howard Boka Ratan, 649 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 2: what do you think. 650 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 5: Hey, I want to make a statement about the understanding 651 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 5: the essence of the Democratic Party and what they use 652 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 5: to manipulate people. They're very, very good at a couple 653 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 5: of things, and one of them is psychological manipulation. They 654 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 5: use fear and they use anger as a way of 655 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 5: getting people to make a decision. It's pretty effective really 656 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 5: when it comes down to it, because people don't always 657 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 5: vote logically. They both got on emotions, so they know 658 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 5: that two parts of that. So if Trump goes into 659 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 5: the election as the Republican candidate, it's very easy for 660 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 5: them to use that because I'm not going to want 661 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 5: to talk about the issues and the policies because it's 662 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 5: a losing cause to them. So what do they have? 663 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 5: I have abortion, they have Trump's a scaling the democracy. 664 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 5: He's an evil person, He's horrible. All those three. 665 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 2: I agree with you one hundred percent. Let me sum 666 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 2: it up this way. Every election comes down. It's a 667 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 2: storytelling contest, and the way you tell stories is twofold. 668 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 2: You can be primarily a storyteller. I would say Tim 669 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 2: Scott is a storyteller. He's saying America is not an 670 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 2: awful racist place. My story disproves that. I am here 671 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 2: to disprove that by telling you that I rose from 672 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 2: poverty to being a senator. And then you have policy. 673 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 2: Policy tends to be logical, tends to be less sexy, 674 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 2: less story driven. The best can ned it out there 675 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 2: is able to combine story and policy, but every single 676 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 2: politician is at least one or the other. Blade Travis 677 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 2: and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.