WEBVTT - Rick Wilson, Marc Elias & Caroline Kitchener 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.200 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast, and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:14.280 today's best minds and artificial intelligence creation. Senator Katie Britt 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:18.400 has proposed a database of pregnant people. We're not going 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:22.000 to regulate guns, but we are going to regulate uteruses. 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:24.599 We have such a great show for you today the 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:30.120 Washington Post. Caroline Kitchener, who is a dogged reporter on 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.760 the abortion beat, stops by to talk to us about 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.760 what post row America looks like. Ben, we will talk 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:41.760 to Democracy Dockets Mark Elias about the GOP's effort to 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.800 stop counting votes before all of them are counted and 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:47.879 also after. It's amazing stuff. But first we have the 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.240 host of the Enemy's List, the one, the Only, Rick Wilson. 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:54.040 Welcome back to Fast Politics. 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:57.080 Rick Wilson, Hello, Molly John Fast. I'm joining you from 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.000 your fair city today as we record this. 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.760 And that's right, Rick is in New York, so let's 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:05.000 talk about But of course we're not in the same 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.240 room because where would we be, right. 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:08.680 Why would that even be possible? 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.880 So last night Trump gave a speech bafflingly in New 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.840 Jersey Wildwood, New Jersey, which. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.280 You know he's swinging state New Jersey. 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.800 I was puzzling through this and I was told by 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.440 someone pretty smart that it is actually the Philly media 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.920 market Wildwood. Yes, so he's trying to get local Philly, 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:31.280 I think press. 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:31.760 Now. 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.480 What struck me about this was it was out at 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.280 the beach and there were a lot of people, like 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:41.759 a lot, maybe not four hundred thousand like they said 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.720 or whatever crazy made up number they did, but a 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.280 lot of people. And I thought, oh, wow, this is 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.360 probably not so good for Joe Biden. But then those 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:55.400 people started leaving in droves. And by the time he 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:59.120 was done, I saw a photograph from a reporter at 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.960 USA Today or video that really looked just like there 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.280 were very few people laughed. So talk to me about that. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:11.000 I think you have. As always, the illusion of Trump's 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.480 rallies has some been something that has trick reporters since 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.320 way back in twenty fifteen. And are there places in 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.240 the country where a lot of yeah, who's want to 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.480 get together and go see Donald Trump. And these people 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.799 are like the Juggaloos, only with red hats. They are 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.880 not coming to this thing because you know that they 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:30.120 want to have political Enlightenment. They're coming because there's no 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.720 monster truck rally. Though I know I'm sounding like a 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.760 really dickish elitist right now, but you may have met 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.160 me by now and know that I have, in fact, 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.399 in dickish elitis when it comes to certain things. But 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.440 the thing, Molly is I think the rally was so 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:47.160 bizarre of Trump once again, like yes, we did a 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.320 great thing with Arbertrinity Row and we're not done, and 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.640 going on and on and on about it, about doctor 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.760 Hannibal Lecter, the late great doctor Lector, I mean a 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:59.280 poll wick. I tried to test me once Leva with Saba. 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:02.880 Oh God, madness. 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:08.480 It was really interesting to me because the door is open. 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.560 People are mad at Biden for any number of reasons. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:16.079 I'm not and you're not. We both really do. 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.080 Like rational adult human beings. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.240 Yeah, well, we just don't think that president is going 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.720 to give us a Christmas list. But I do think 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.280 that the door is open to trump Ism. But the 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:33.440 thing is, Trump has never been an organized politician. So 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.560 like last night, he did all the things that if 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.440 you were a political strategist you would tell him not 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.240 to do. He bragged about overturning Row. He mused about 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:47.080 what a good person Hannibal Lecter was, the late great 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:49.840 you know, he just did a lot of stuff that 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.600 he sort of bragged about his unforced errors. And I 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.720 wondered if ultimately people just got bored and went home. 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:01.400 Yeah, you can't sit and watch I mean I think 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.360 one cannot, but maybe some people can't. You can't sit 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.600 and watch, you know, monkeys throw their feces all day long. 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.280 It's briefly amusing and then you run, you know, instead 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.280 of everybody lasts about it later. But the Trump Show 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.560 that goes on and on and on and three, and 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.000 it's like these Castro esque linked speeches that are just 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:25.360 this stream of consciousness rattling, you know, kooky, weird, whatever 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:29.080 it is. All of it just gets tired. After a while. 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:31.760 You just get you just get sort of worn down 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.280 by it. And I don't mean by people who just 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:38.240 people who are critics or antagonists and Trump, I mean everybody. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.359 I mean people who like the guy eventually go Okay, 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:43.560 that's enough for one day. I can't do this. 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.080 So that's really my question when we look at this 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.080 from like again, we're six months out from this election. 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.880 So I was chastising a pundit for saying that he 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:56.680 was sure Joe Biden was going to be a one 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.360 term president. And I said to him, why do you 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.440 say that? And he said because the person asked me, 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.359 and I only say the truth. And I was like, 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:05.880 but you don't know the truth. I said, you just 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:06.320 know your. 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.120 Opinion, right, that's an opinion. 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.400 And I said, based on polls. I said, so you 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.599 don't actually know the truth. You just have an opinion 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.360 based on poles. And I don't necessarily think that's true. 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.719 But I also know enough to know that six months 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:21.760 from the election, none of us really know what's going 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:23.720 on because most of the country is not paying attention. 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.920 To use a phrase beaten to death over many generations, 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.680 opinions are like the human asshole. Everyone has one. But 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:38.120 the idea that none of Trump's infirmities, weirdnesses, that the meltdowns, 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:43.520 the craziness, the self led legal defense efforts are not 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.680 weighing on Americans are just wrong. There are a lot 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.680 of reporters who are incentivized, for a hundred different reasons, 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.839 to make it overse race, to make a competitive to drama, drama, 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.760 drama all day long, and God bless them. Okay, that's 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:00.520 their work, that's their livelihood. I get a totally and 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.760 a lot of them who are following along on this 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:08.200 stuff are very amused by Trump doing his trick again 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:12.919 on America, of Trump doing his act once again of 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.920 making the press incapable of covering him. And right now 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.880 they are, they're once again showing us they're incapable of 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.400 covering Donald Trump. They don't know what to do. They 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.400 they do not know what to do with this guy. 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:28.200 And I'm sorry. I feel bad for them professionally, and 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.000 I feel bad for the country because too many people 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.880 right now still believe that Donald Trump does not obey 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.560 any political laws of physics. One other things that I 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.520 want to make very clear, there's this idea out there 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.880 that Joe Biden is somehow completely helpless, snake fit and helpless. 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:47.360 He's running and his campaign is running a good campaign. 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.400 They are running a good campaign. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:50.080 With a lot of money. 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:54.160 And that was my next point. With essentially unlimited resources 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.000 right now, that will start to add up over time. 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.440 I know it's not happening as fast as people want, 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.080 or as deeply and immediately st people want, but it 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.719 will happen. It is underway right now, and Trump is 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.320 getting you know, he's getting out spent one hundred to 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.480 one in a lot of these early states right now. 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:12.680 And that's it takes time to add up. It takes 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:14.600 time to add in, and you know, the economy to 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.280 use bubb a little long. People keep underestimating that, but 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:21.520 the economy keeps like stubbornly refusing to go into a recession. 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:22.840 For Donald Trump's. 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:27.120 Right, and also when we look at this inevitability of 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.200 trump Ism, which I think is largely based on anxiety 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:35.040 from twenty sixteen. Trump has lost every election since twenty sixteen. 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.280 He lost twenty eighteen, he lost twenty twenty, he lost 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:42.120 twenty twenty two, he lost twenty twenty three, he lost 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:47.280 the Virginia State House. And even you see like these 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.160 Republicans are now even trying to not run along with him, 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:55.640 like you have swing state senatorial candidate. It's saying they're 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.760 not going to lie about the twenty twenty election because 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.440 swing voters don't molly. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.200 There is something that I think is really important to 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.120 keep in mind that many of our colleagues and friends 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.560 in the journalism world have I think I don't know 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:13.120 they've deliberately forgotten it, but it's less fun and as 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:17.560 dramatic the Republican Party. Although the Magam movement is utterly 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:21.280 dominant inside the Republican Party, the Republican Party is in 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:26.880 a state of profound, wretched, terrible collapse and crisis. The 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.880 normies are gone, the crazies are largely in charge. When 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:34.480 Mike Johnson is the bastion right now sanity in the 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.640 Republican Party. You don't operate in a sane universe. You know, 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.320 You've got a party tearing itself apart. And they have 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:45.400 lost seats again, as you point out, starting in twenty eighteen. 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:49.320 Nationally speaking, this is at the state House, State Senate, 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.840 gresh always you know, very they've lost around a thousand 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:57.360 elected offices since Trump got elected in twenty sixteen. Trump 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.280 single handedly did all the work the Republican Party did 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.480 between the year two thousand and the year twenty sixteen, 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.480 because the Republicans were making a lot of gains in 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.160 the states over those years. And now those things are 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.400 being swept away. And that counts things like local school 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.240 boards and all this stuff. And so the GOP is 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.800 at a profound crisis, and I know they want to 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.320 pretend that's not the case, and so oh were you 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.120 know we're going to win this or that. But right 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.959 now they are desperate and a lot of the ones 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.240 that McConnell has out there that he's filled in, these 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.480 billionaires and these rich guys, there's trapped because the Maugus 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.959 don't like them, and the only thing keeping them them 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.920 alive is that they're writing checks with many, many, many zeros. 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.520 Say you're a GOP donor, So I mean, are you 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.800 wouned back? This is something you actually know about because 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.160 you know GOP donors. You talk to GOP donors all 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:46.480 the time. 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:47.400 I mean I do. 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:52.000 So we have Mitch McConnell trying desperately to raise money 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.200 because they are trying to pick up the Senate. You 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.680 have Mike Johnson really behind the eight ball, trying desperately 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.480 to raise money. You've Donald Trump trying desperately to raise money. 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:06.440 So what do you think their pitches to Republican donors 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:08.880 and do you think it's working well? 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:14.520 If you bifurcate the pitch among Johnson versus McConnell, they're 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:15.800 very different appeals. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:17.040 So let's hear them. 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.800 Mitch mcconne was telling big Republican donors. I can still 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.199 save this. I can still be a firewall. We can 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.880 still prevent Trump if he's back in office from doing 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:27.000 the worst things. 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.200 Or do you think they're worried though, or do you 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.320 think they don't care about the worst things. 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.040 Here's the thing. Republican mega donors believe that Trump is 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:39.160 a disaster, an immediate threat to American democracy. He could 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:42.040 plunge the entire world into a billion years of nuclear 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.800 darkness and all that. But they will kill their own 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.720 children with a bloody, rusty butcher knife to get a 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:48.360 tax cut. 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:48.839 Right. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.960 There's nothing that appeals to them more than that. So 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.040 McConnell's trying to give them the best of both worlds. 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.079 I'm going to get you your tax cuts, and I 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.319 will prevent Trump from plunging the world into nuclear darkness. Right, 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.400 and is adopting a little bit more of a message 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.440 to donors. I actually talked to a donor who Johnson 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.680 pitched recently and failed. But pitched him, and sadly I 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.640 failed when I pitched him too. But the guy's just stubborn. 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:15.600 But Johnson's argument was, if you let the low Democrats 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.800 take over, they'll destroy your company. I'm not doing this 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:24.160 for Trumpian reasons. I'm a free market, small government Republican. No, 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:25.360 not true. 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:27.760 What did the guys say when he said that? 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.680 He just like, I have trouble taking you seriously about that. 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:33.720 And then the guy brought up to me, he goes, yeah, 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.400 a guy with the poor An app on his phone. 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:36.439 I don't think. 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.920 So so right, small government? 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.520 You know, you saw the stories last week where trump 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.040 Is goes to the you know, the energy sector guys 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.440 and says, give me a billion dollars and I'll undo 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.880 every regulation. Joe Biden. Ever, that is some third world 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:51.480 cuptocracy right there. 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.560 Yeah, so let's talk about that for a minute, because 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.280 I think that a lot of us were just horrified 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.400 because of the planet. But I always wonder or who 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.840 is that for? Like how many oil billionaires are there 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:09.280 who are affected directly by regulation like that? I mean, 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.080 is that ten people? Is that five people? 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.640 I won't say they're all billionaires, but in that energy 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:19.320 sector there are about sixty or seventy donors right in 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.160 a whole variety of corporate roles. It could be as 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.800 big as a chevron, but it could also be the 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.280 people who are in the infrastructure part of the oil 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.160 and gas industry. The pyramid is very broad of people, 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:36.280 the guys who build offshore rigs and helicopters to service 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:39.640 the option. There's a huge it's a gigantic industry. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.120 But do you think it works. Do you think they 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:43.160 do that for him? 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.480 Listen, a billion dollars is a lot of money. The 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:49.200 problem with any gift to Trump of that scale, Okay, 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.000 a problem with that, and they all know it, is 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.080 that Trump is going to demand they go through a 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:58.559 certain pathway where he gets a skim right, And none 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:00.319 of these guys are in the business. 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.199 Of being stupid right with money, So it's going to 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:03.920 be hard for that. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.000 So it's going to be difficult to do that. Now. Look, 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.199 will be oil and gas industry raised Trump one hundred 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.720 million dollars? Sure? I think they could do that without 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.640 breaking a sweat. Yeah, But I don't think they're going 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:15.520 to raise him a billion dollars, no matter how much 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:16.160 he asks for it. 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:20.600 But it's interesting. He clearly is quite panicked. 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.679 Oh, no question, no doubt about it. He is nervous 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.400 that the world is fluid in a way that he's 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.160 not as quick and agile enough to keep up with 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:30.720 as he might have been in twenty sixteen. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:31.280 Right. 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.440 I think the guy we're seeing in court, the cranky, 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:41.160 you know, tired, exhausted, drawn, bitter, nasty, old man, I 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.960 think that's the real Trump. I think that he knows 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.440 that all of the posturing in the world about the 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.360 crooked judges and blah blah blah isn't true. He knows that. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.080 I think he's starting a sense that there is a Again, 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.120 and I've said this one hundred times, I'll say it again. 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.760 I do not believe that Donald Trump is going to 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.960 have any of these trials meaningfully affect whether he goes 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.760 to prison before November. Would I like it, of course 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.480 it would. But I don't think he's happy. There's no 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.520 joy with Trump right now. And look he enjoyed twenty sixteen. 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.800 He also had to spend one hundred million dollars to 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:19.320 keep from going into trials, so like his legal fees. 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:21.960 I had an argument with someone about this because some 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.800 of his lawyers, Alena Habba is a disaster. But like 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.560 some of these lawyers are quite good. Now they have 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.520 a client who tells them what to do, and that's 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:32.040 not good. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.440 Todd Blande is well regarded as a defense attorney. I 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:39.040 know Chris Kuyse, I was friends with Chris Kuyz years 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:39.720 and years ago. 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:44.040 And Susan Necklace. I mean, these are mo stupid people now. 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.480 Luckily for US an American democracy. 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.520 What lay life is left a terrible coin. 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.160 They have a terrible client who won't let them actually 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.280 do law stuff, which is the good news. But I 0:14:55.440 --> 0:15:00.600 do think, I absolutely think that we are seeing these lawyers. 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.400 He's gonna need another I mean, will he need another 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.400 one hundred million dollars to keep kicking the can before 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:08.560 the election? I think so. 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:13.360 You know, I'm absolutely certain that the burn rate of 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:17.000 Trump's legal herald will be the thing in the end 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.160 of the day, because Joe Biden pulls this thing off. 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:20.880 We're going to look back and go, you know what, 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.720 if Donald Trump had spent seventy million dollars in in 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:28.200 the early States or in the Keys wedding States early, 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.440 he might might have beaten Biden. But right now it's 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.560 Joe Biden and Biden's allies that are on the air 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.479 in places like Arizona and Wisconsin, in Michigan and Pennsylvania. 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.360 And while Trump is still able to raise that small 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:46.240 dollar money. The hesitation level among most people is increasing. 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:50.000 They're dropping off the big dollar guys. They're taking a 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:53.960 lot of beating and seduction at phone calls and Susie 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:57.160 Wilds holding their hands to get them to write those 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.840 million dollar checks. It's not like twenty six even now, 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.280 it's not like twenty sixteen. I think there's just such 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:09.440 a unscored amount of legal peril that has hurt him 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.040 in ways that I certainly can tell you reporters have 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.080 not calculated it fully and adequately. I don't think most 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:20.320 people in the political environment right now have correctly. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:25.280 There's no president for like, your candidate is in criminal 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.760 trials at one hundred Center Street while the adult film 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:34.480 actress that he paid hush money to is testifying about 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.280 having almost non consensual sex with him. 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.120 Right I was writing something this morning when I was 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.440 on the plane coming up to New York House. I 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.520 was writing something about the bizarre nature of a world 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.560 where a former president is in court with the with 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:53.400 the adult film star who he threatened, abused, and continues 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:58.040 to abuse even after he's already been adjudicated as a 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.560 sexual assaulter with the aging care case and has been 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.320 forced to pay defamation for attacking her over and over again, 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.920 that we still live in a world where people don't 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.600 think about Trump as a form of political pornography enjoyed 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.359 by a few Americans, but that like tentacle porn or 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.119 something else, it's going to become an increasingly sort of 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.800 specialized taste. You can't look at this guy anymore. I go, 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:22.760 that's a regular guy. I can have a beer with 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.359 that guy. He's the normal He's the normal guy in 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.560 the room. I mean, Joe Biden may suffer from being 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.479 too much normal and too basic in the minds of 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.399 the press, not colorful enough or whatever, not young and 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.680 vibrant enough. People at the end of the day make 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.040 a lot of political decisions based on fear, and I 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.359 think Trump every day gives you more to fear and 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.560 more to load and more to be, more to be 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:47.520 disturbed about. And people who are disturbed by the behavior 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:49.560 of a Trump, I don't think there's any way where 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.600 they reverse their decision and go, you know what. I 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.200 know it's August now, and I've been thinking about vote 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.640 for Joe Biden, But suddenly Trump's going to be more 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:02.400 sane and cogent and not talking about imaginary serial killers 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:06.080 and not pretending he's a martyr on the same level 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.639 as Gandhi and Martin Luther King at Smith dell. 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.520 Rick Wilson, Thank you. 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.000 You are welcome. 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.000 Spring us here, and I bet you are trying to 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.640 look fashionable, So why not pick up some fashionable all 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:30.359 new Fast Politics merchandise. We just opened a news store 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:34.960 with all new designs just for you. Get t shirts, hoodies, hats, 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:40.200 and top bags. To grab some, head to fastpolitics dot com. 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:45.320 Caroline Kitchener is a national reporter doggedly covering abortion at 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:50.760 the Washington Post. Welcome back to Fast Politics, Carolyne Kitchener. 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:51.880 Thank you. 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.679 You have this beat, which is abortion. It is in 0:18:55.760 --> 0:19:00.879 post row America. Just every piece is just an incredible 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.479 shit show. So I want you first to talk to 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:08.880 us about Florida. Let's talk about Florida first and then 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:12.360 we'll get to I mean, every abortion story in this country, 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.080 of which in post or America there are now millions 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:20.480 you cover basically, But let's talk about Florida first, because Florida, 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.159 it just happened last week, right. 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.240 Yeah, I would love to talk about Florida. I think 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:30.080 that people are not really yet realizing how big of 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.080 an impact Florida is going to have on abortion access 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:34.680 through the entire country. 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:36.840 Yeah, so set this stage here. 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.280 I went last week. I was there for like twenty 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.240 four hours. I was there on the day before the 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:43.280 band took effect. 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:48.040 And this is a six week band enacted by DeSantis. 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.800 Yeah, he find it. So it's a ban on most 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:54.600 abortions and it's going down. Florida had a fifteen week 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:58.359 ban in place, and so this replaces that now. Yeah, 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.600 I mean so I was there on Tuesday, and it 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.439 was a wrenching day for these women because it was 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.040 the last day that they could provide abortions. But because 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.320 Florida also has a twenty four hour waiting period. 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:14.600 So what does that mean? A twenty four hour waiting. 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.040 Period, So that means that they have to come in 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.800 for their first appointment and have an ultrasound and a 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.560 consultation twenty four hours before they get the actual abortion. 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:26.720 So the tuesday that I was there, you were having 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:31.000 first people turn away because they came for their consultation 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:33.280 and they were told that they were farther than six 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.800 weeks along, because most people are by the time that 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.400 they get in, and they were turned away and well, 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.399 it was one of the most emotional settings that I 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:45.399 have been in this reporting maybe ever, because I was 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.359 just sitting there. I mean I sat there as these women, 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:51.960 one after the other, was turned away, and I saw them, 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.760 you know, I saw them learning this, learning that they 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.199 were eight weeks or ten weeks and that they couldn't 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.280 get an abortion, and just one after the other, they're 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:05.480 just sobbing, just breaking down because they knew, they knew 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:08.360