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Speaker 1: Welcome to games with names. They're Jack and Kyler.

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Speaker 2: I'm Julian Edelman, and we're on a search for the

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Speaker 2: greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we are

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Speaker 2: covering Vikings versus Buccaneers, Week nine, nineteen ninety eight, with

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Speaker 2: legendary fullback, four time Pro bowler and a man that

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Speaker 2: could clear a hole in any crowd, Lorenzo Neil. And

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Speaker 2: we're talking nineties smash mouth football.

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Speaker 1: I think we're grown men playing the kids kids game,

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Speaker 1: getting the Kings.

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Speaker 2: Rensom the legend of Mike Alstott.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Diddle, Diddle, Mike Alstot down the middle forty coming

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Speaker 1: at you so and.

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Speaker 3: What he thinks of harball and the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: He wants to be physical, he wants to beat you.

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Speaker 1: Look at Justin Herbert didn't throw the ball, He just

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Speaker 1: didn't have the weapons.

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Speaker 2: And then we get into training camp and what it's

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Speaker 2: really like for an NFL football player. In this week's

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Speaker 2: Chill Zone presented by Corp's Light.

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Speaker 3: Gotta stick around to the end.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: Games with Names of production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 4: November first, nineteen ninety eight, Raymond James Stadium, Tampa, Florida.

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Speaker 4: The seven and Oerd Minnesota Vikings look to continue their

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Speaker 4: pillage of the Sunshine State, but a gang of salty

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Speaker 4: Buccaneers had other plans.

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Speaker 1: This is the lone man Wind's game.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Games with Names, Brenzanill, Welcome to the nuthouse.

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Speaker 2: In one sentence, why did you pick this game? Week nine,

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight, Vikings versus the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 1: You know what? This is a game I like because

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Speaker 1: everyone knows if you saw the back of two one,

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Speaker 1: it was too late Ladani and Thomas, and everyone knows

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Speaker 1: the charge of years and lt made me. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I just think that here's a place in Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: that you know doungeee. You have this mystique where you

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Speaker 1: have Mike Alstot, who's huge personal friend of mine. Both

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Speaker 1: of us were in each other's wedding and great friend,

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Speaker 1: and you had work done. So I think I was

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Speaker 1: like the forgotten guy. People don't understand that when we

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Speaker 1: played in Tampa. We had two different backfields. One was

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Speaker 1: called Rhino Rhyano was me and Mike Alstar and Pony

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Speaker 1: was when it was me and Wark done. So it

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Speaker 1: was like Mike had over nine hundred yards Russian, Wark

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Speaker 1: because we could switch the back and do a bunch

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Speaker 1: of different deals. So this game against Minnesota was just

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Speaker 1: one of those games we just lined up and said,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take your will and take your heart. We're

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Speaker 1: running downhill. Hey, diddle doodle, Mike, all start down the middle,

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Speaker 1: forty coming at you. So we just lined up and

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Speaker 1: said let's go. So that's why I like that game.

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Speaker 1: They were undefeated, and uh, it was a humbling experience

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Speaker 2: Know this watching this game, yeah, and going through it.

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Speaker 2: This was what the football I grew up on was

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Speaker 2: exactly right. Just twelve eleven, twelve thirteen personnel goal line.

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Speaker 3: You know we're running it, we know we're running it.

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Speaker 2: Mono imano, who's win the matchup, Who's gonna quit? And

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Speaker 2: this was the epitome of it, especially this game. I

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Speaker 2: mean watching like we'll get into the game, but this

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Speaker 3: Because LT and all the moves.

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Speaker 2: But this, this was like the era right before they

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Speaker 2: Like this was just like a huge parallel to my

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight. Is this the greatest game of all time?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 3: No, no, I'm not gonna be asking, don't you know what?

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Speaker 1: Don't because you're a Patriot, don't I go way back,

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Speaker 1: when this game changed. You just you of course, you know,

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Speaker 1: saying this is what's having a conversation. And I think

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Speaker 1: let him know that low Neil talked to you everything,

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Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, there we go, there we go.

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Speaker 2: What's your best Belichick story when he was DC and

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Speaker 2: the Jets.

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Speaker 1: Just human Parcels had this unique relationship. I remember just

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Speaker 3: Pe was my coach.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know, Pat me getting on me, getting the

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Speaker 2: most that we're in the moment, Maurice Carton.

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Speaker 1: These dudes are crazy.

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Speaker 2: They are they will and man few I'm like, I'm like, damn.

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Speaker 2: I was coming from the Saints. I was like, this

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Speaker 1: Adrian Real had a thousand yards That's one of the

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Speaker 1: He was so funny. Him and Belichick, just the way

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Speaker 1: The other? One's glad of it. I mean it's like

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Speaker 1: Tired of losing to you guys. You just laugh. But

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Speaker 1: and he's pro Bowl of course as coach and just

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Speaker 2: Yeah what about ourselves? You ever get an ass chewing

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Speaker 2: from him? Oh yeah, oh yeah, Barsels. He just when

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Speaker 1: Check the same. He's like, golly, I know every play everyone.

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Speaker 1: You know, the media coming to hey, great game, great block,

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Speaker 1: know the media. You come in, you drive and everyone you.

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Speaker 2: Have a good game, and you know you block, you

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Speaker 2: you came out of your breakthrough, and you just you know,

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Speaker 1: Or are you going to continue? And sometimes you want

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Speaker 1: you can and you could whoop them. It's not like

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Speaker 2: It's like, wow, it's the accountability. Yes, and it made

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Speaker 2: think about it when you're going in and you have

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Speaker 2: to do that goddamn play and you install that play

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Speaker 2: again and you're like.

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Speaker 3: I'm not fucking that thing up again.

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Speaker 1: So I fully fully agree.

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Speaker 2: Now when you watch the game nowadays, what's going through

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Speaker 3: Almost when'd you retire.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you still you played through still brutal era

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Speaker 2: Because I would say in my career, I went in

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Speaker 1: Right, the game has changed, But I think it's changed

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Speaker 1: because culture and everything is changed. You think about it,

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Speaker 1: they touch you up. Don't come in here again. Guys

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Speaker 1: with you know, I played the game. I led with

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Speaker 1: because I live with it. But you understand, they trying

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Speaker 1: to do it for the best, to keep you healthy.

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Speaker 1: But it's like you look at just look at the

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Speaker 1: world we live in. High school players now are getting paid,

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Speaker 1: college players are getting paid more than NFL players, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, so you're weaken And the thing about it is,

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Speaker 1: it's tough. It's just tough because yes, I understand what

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Speaker 1: but you're also weakening a game. You're weakening men. You're

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Speaker 1: giving people a way out. I think you're changing not

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Speaker 1: just sports, but you're changing the dynamics of who we

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Speaker 1: are and what we meant to be in accountability Now,

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Speaker 1: if you're whole on accountability, Hey, guys want to be traded.

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Speaker 1: Look at the demand to be traded. I want out

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Speaker 1: and teams have to, you know, go with the float.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, because you tried to help. Now you

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Speaker 1: have given too much away. And yes, do I think

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Speaker 1: should be able to use the helmet. Now. I think

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Speaker 1: we're grown men playing the kids kids game, getting the

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Speaker 1: Kings ransom, and you understand what you're sign up for.

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Speaker 1: Just I think the league needed to do a better

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Speaker 1: care of them doing if they're going to sacrifice and

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Speaker 1: do those things, you know you know that, So just

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Speaker 1: do the right thing and let guys play football. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't like that. I think it's great that you

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Offensive linemen used to hit guys. No, I think those

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Speaker 1: So it's like, dare you so you so and that?

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Speaker 1: So you guys, everyone talks, No, this was not a

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: You look at you know, the Rams when they won.

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Speaker 2: That was because you can control the game, control the game.

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Speaker 1: Right? How the fuck can we get out there? That part?

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Speaker 3: And that's what and that's you know it is.

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Speaker 1: You know me, But when did you know you belonged there?

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Speaker 1: it was. It was we called the Cheese Belt League,

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Speaker 3: That's fucking awesome.

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Speaker 2: You guys had round robin practices in training camp, which

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Speaker 5: Can you explain that what that means to the audience?

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Speaker 2: They used to have joint practices. We have joint practices now,

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Speaker 1: Right, Like Chicago Bears was is there, so we all

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Speaker 3: They never had that in my time.

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Speaker 2: Good practice thinking I'm gonna get cut as a seventh rounder.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell is going on doing

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Speaker 2: because I was just in such a crazy headspace with like,

434
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 2: you know, the days of practice loging, this coaching points,

435
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 2: learning an offense, learning a new language, because you know

436
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 2: what I mean. So you didn't really get to see

437
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 2: it until you threw it out against someone else, you know.

438
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 2: And then once I did that, then I was like,

439
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 2: all right, man, I can fucking play. This kid, I

440
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 2: could play. And so that was my moment, right right, Yeah.

441
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 1: That's freaking awesome. I love listening to people when their

442
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: moment or when it you know, appear that okay, I

443
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 1: belong here. And I think that's awesome, man, because I

444
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 1: loved watching you play. I was a fan West, have

445
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 1: played with the Chargers of member telling West you're gonna

446
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 1: be in this league, you know. He gets cut with

447
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 1: Tim Dewhitez there and it's just like dude had a

448
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: house call too, and I was like, trust me, you're

449
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. They try to bring him back but

450
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 1: of course you this history what happened with him. But

451
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 1: I remember play, just watching you play that Super Bowl.

452
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm there at the game watching it in Atlanta where

453
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: you guys played against the Falcons. The catch you made,

454
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: and just the that you go about your business, the consistency,

455
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 1: and it's crazy because you know, guys talk a bunch

456
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: of junk, and it's like and it's like, but people

457
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 1: they take it as we don't players don't. But this

458
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: guy's racist. When you say that white boy got some

459
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 1: black any that white boy can play. You know what

460
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's it's a sign of endearment. And people

461
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: don't think, yeah, you know what I'm saying. You like,

462
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 1: I was proud of it.

463
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 2: I said, brother, if he says you play like them,

464
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 2: that means he really respects you exactly.

465
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Speaker 1: And you see him trying to beat you up. And

466
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: I said, white boy got hard too. I said, they

467
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: can't take it, and he's just you watched you and

468
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: Wes and just you fed off of it. It's like

469
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 1: and it's like you ain't letting nobody punk you. And

470
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this dude got it and he's

471
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: got that it factor. And that's what I think that

472
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 1: those things that people don't understand about football, the competitive

473
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: and what it does and how it brings together in

474
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: the unity and people are like, man, don't know football is.

475
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the best sports. And you

476
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: think about life, military sports. That's what brought this country together. Yeah,

477
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: blacks whites, we wasn't able to get along. And then

478
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: you got sports bringing culture together, forcing people together and

479
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: understanding differences, what they like, what they don't, who's who

480
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: and if you get this, realize, man, all some of

481
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: us have the same background. Someoneus don't have the same background,

482
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 1: but you can understand and accept people from who they are.

483
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: And I sports have a huge thing to do with that.

484
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: That's true, and that's because there's one common goal.

485
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to win.

486
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 2: Usually even if you want to just ball out, that's

487
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: you having to win your play, you know. So that's

488
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: that's why it's the ultimate example, because there's guys you

489
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 2: didn't like that you played, but you respected the hell

490
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,719
Speaker 2: out of and that you needed.

491
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 3: You needed that person. Oh yeah, because it's the ultimate

492
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 3: team game.

493
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: Eleven men have to do their job for six seconds

494
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: and if one guy fucks up, it could be colossal

495
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 2: fuck up for the whole team. If the quarterback throws interception,

496
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: it looks like it's the quarterback's fault. But they didn't

497
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: see the left tackle get beat, or they didn't see

498
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: the side adjustment that wasn't made by the receiver, or

499
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: they didn't see inside out from the fucking center. You know,

500
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: like there's all these things that are connected, and that's

501
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: why it's the ultimate thing to watch. And it's so crazy, Jules,

502
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: that you say that, because even a guy you might

503
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: not like, and a guy you might not go to

504
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: dinner with, when he makes a play, you're yelling, you're jumping,

505
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: you congratulating.

506
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: And it's and that's what people don't understand. You were

507
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 1: you love this game. You love this game. And that's

508
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: what I think that a lot of people don't understand

509
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: and what it what it means to be a you know,

510
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: a professional athlete or to play just to play sports

511
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: in general, because it makes you uncomfortable. People to you like, man,

512
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: I just don't like it, but you're like man, for

513
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: that moment, for those sixty minutes or whatever it may be,

514
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: whatever sport, you can put the put your differences aside

515
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: and come together and we have one common goal in

516
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: that success.

517
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: But that's usually only for the winning teams.

518
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, You're right.

519
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: Because I mean the teams that can act as a

520
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 2: team the most usually go out and win. You know,

521
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: when you get individualized with certain things here and there

522
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: that can bring a team away from each other, you know,

523
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: and it ultimately comes from the leadership. Your best players

524
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 2: have to be the selfless player, the most selfless player.

525
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 2: At least that was the example from where I was

526
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: our best player, our highest paid player, was the first

527
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: guy in the guest last guy to leave. Guy had

528
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: everything in the world, three super Bowls by the time

529
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 2: I got there.

530
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 3: You met him when he was just little Tommy.

531
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: I met him when he.

532
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: Was tell him fucking Brady already, and to see how

533
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: he worked still when he was ten eleven years in

534
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:46,479
Speaker 2: the league.

535
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 3: It was like, man, what motivates this guy?

536
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 2: And that made the fifty third guy in the team

537
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: say fuck, if he's working like that, then I have

538
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: no choice but to work like that.

539
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: So I think it's all.

540
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: It is all, and it is the team like because

541
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 2: you look at some of the most talented teams with

542
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 2: the best.

543
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: Players, talent wins football games, Team Unity wins championship.

544
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: That's that's that's it.

545
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: We gotta put that on T shirts. Okay, let's do that.

546
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: Me and you, baby, me and you exactly Me and you.

547
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: We'll definitely do that. Hell of Attica. Nice little funt.

548
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: For sure.

549
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: A guy. You know what I mean? I like.

550
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: Talking to you. You just spit smash mouth football. That's

551
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: like such a nostalgia that we all crave. Why do

552
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: we crave that? I think we're cravy because we know

553
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: it's right, Like you know what, you know what I'm saying.

554
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, you know what, you probably shouldn't eat that,

555
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna go work out because we know that's right.

556
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: When we take away from those things that are right,

557
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: it feels good for a second, but you know it's

558
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: not necessarily right. When you're talking about winning championships and

559
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: those things, you're like, God, here we're gonna go. We

560
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: gotta go run and man, he's gonna be on me.

561
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: Belichick's come freaking we gotta do this extra man film

562
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: study is gonna be another hour. Okay, we got all

563
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: those things. You and if he said, hey, take the

564
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: day off, be like you might lead. But you're saying,

565
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: what's that right? Yeah, And I think that's what it is, man,

566
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: that the toughness is about. You know what's right.

567
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: My dad always said life's hard, but it's simple. We

568
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: all know what we have to do. It's just hard

569
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: to do it.

570
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: It is.

571
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: You know, it's not easy for the everyday man to

572
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: get up at five am, go work for his family

573
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: for not much, come back to you know, a bunch

574
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: of bill. That's that's hard it is, you know what

575
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: I mean. But he knows what he has to do

576
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: to make his family hold that. And that's the example.

577
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: I give the example of my dad. You know what

578
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what he did. So like, it's hard,

579
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: but it's simple. We all know what we have to do,

580
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: you know. But do you think this pendulum of the NFL.

581
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: I think it's on the sway back with you know,

582
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: having more fullbacks, having more smash met football, playing more

583
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: controlling football game through the run game, then getting explo

584
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: like it's swinging backish because maybe the defenses are small.

585
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: Do you think the pendulum's gonna swing back?

586
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: I do on certain teams because if you look at

587
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: Baltimore still run get hard. They still physical, get down

588
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: car you have exactly big card. I think when you

589
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: think about a team like the LA Chargers, another hardball brother,

590
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: you think about he wants to be physical, he wants

591
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: to beat you up. He look at Justin Herbert didn't

592
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: throw the ball a lot last year at play action.

593
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: He just didn't have the weapons, didn't have a great

594
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: running game. Last year, running backs were injured. Now I

595
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: think this year with Hampton, who they got the running

596
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: back in the draft, bringing in other backs, I think

597
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: you'll see the Chargers, you know, kind of impose their

598
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: will because they're going to be physical. So I think

599
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: when you can be physical, but it's a mindset. I

600
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: have played fullback. I would be pissed when they said

601
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: we're going go Ace. Let's go Ace, and I was like, oh, okay,

602
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: what is a Ace? Too tight? Yeah, you know the

603
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: too tight Look at this guy. You're right, yeah, Ace

604
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: is two tight ends, twenty two personnel, twenty one personnels.

605
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: It's two backs, full back in the tailback, you know,

606
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: twenty two personnel person pickball personnel exactly. So I took

607
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: it personal, even though coaches main low, we it's just

608
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: what we're doing. We're trying to spread about get it say,

609
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: but I took it personal when I was off the field,

610
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna come in this game. When I

611
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: come in, I'll make you a fall. I'm going to

612
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: impose my will online backers. Anybody's in my way, I'm

613
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: running this track. Either you gonna quit or I'm gonna quit.

614
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna get out the way. And so that's what

615
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: you say, you know, web drive, because it's what you

616
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: need to do and what has to be done. You

617
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: don't want to sometimes I should I cut this guy? Oh?

618
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: Should I?

619
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: Oh?

620
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: Should I tay? No, I know, it's what you're supposed

621
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: to do. And that's go helmet, the helmet that's faced

622
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: on mono a mono, and it hurts where you get

623
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: the steam galls within your body. You're yeah, yeah, yeah,

624
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: see four seven. I get it. I get it. That's

625
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: why I wore that big cowboy collar because man, I

626
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: always use my head and it would stop my neck

627
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: from going back. So it was just like, let's line up,

628
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: let's do it. So uh, I think it comes back,

629
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: comes back. But you gotta have guys that are willing

630
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: to make that sacrifice and commitment to run in there

631
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: and not just try to position block. I want to

632
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: create a new line of scrimmage. I want to create

633
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: a new spot to give the tail back a two

634
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: way cup.

635
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 5: What goes into the decision of the cowboy color versus

636
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 5: like the neck row or like, yeah.

637
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 1: See the cowboy collar. I loved it because the cowboy

638
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: collar kind of had my whole head kind of. I

639
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: got a big head. It was heavy enough, so it

640
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: kind of made it all encompass the cowboy callar. The

641
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: neck ro kind of it can go a little bit

642
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: further back and it's a little spongier. The cowboy collar

643
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: is more firm, and it goes down your backs that yeah,

644
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: it's mean, yeah yeah, And it's a it's a longer pad,

645
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: so it's necro just tied up to your shoulder pads.

646
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: So when it moves, you should pets. But this conboy

647
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: collar you put on, actually it's almost a little shoulder

648
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: pads even so it's long a girdle. Yeah, so it

649
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: protects you more. Yeah.

650
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: The old shock pads, remember we used to wear those

651
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: absolutely warm I had. Now you don't even wear pads.

652
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: It's crazy, like right, I mean, and I'm a sucker.

653
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: To it too, because I became a receiver and I

654
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: used to wear the smallest goddamn pads so they couldn't

655
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: grab me. Get ripping, dip. You gotta get low, get skinny,

656
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: ripping baby, get skinny.

657
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 5: Watching this game was incredible with you at full back

658
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 5: in All Star, which is the next cob Right, I

659
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 5: got tingling. I haven't had.

660
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: I was just done in regular regular. That was regular pony.

661
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: You would go in with done.

662
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 5: Know, big boys, did you ever have all three of

663
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 5: you guys out there at the same time?

664
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: We might be when you moved the line, when you

665
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: moved wark to I had motioning out.

666
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just I mean, that's just personal twenty two

667
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: thirteen two.

668
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: So you can get their defense out there, Yeah, get

669
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Speaker 3: him out of there.

670
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: You get a linebacker out and then you got these

671
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: two coming downhill.

672
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: Right, we'll be right back after this quick break.

673
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: Now you're on Believe, Yeah, I don't believe network.

674
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: Matt money Smith got to check it out, so me

675
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: and money Smith. It's a great show. He's a voice

676
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: of the Chargers. Money Smith's been working radio and TV

677
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: for years. It's a great show. Go to Believe, to

678
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Speaker 1: download it and it's a lot of fun. Also with

679
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Speaker 1: the follow me at Lorenzo O'Neill on on Instagram. And

680
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: I work with the Niners too. I do some stuff

681
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: about your boy John Lynch. I do kpi X channel

682
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Speaker 1: five and also do a radio show with ninety five

683
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Speaker 1: seventy game.

684
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: So you do stuff for the Niners and the Chargers,

685
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: so you're dialed with both.

686
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: Try to be down there.

687
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: Are you like with the beat writers? Like you have

688
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: contacts with all those guys. They're giving you insight info.

689
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: What are we looking like with the Chargers year, let's

690
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: start out with them? How we get a beat?

691
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: You know what?

692
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: The true I'm excited for him, so am I. I

693
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: think the Chargers went out they drafted Mario Hampton. I'd

694
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: love him as a running back. Uh, this guy can run.

695
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: He's big boy, good feet. Even the San Diego Chargers

696
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: Fresno running back remember him, Yeah Pittman, No the bigger,

697
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: the big boy from Fresno.

698
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, are you talking about I know he's like.

699
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: In the late two thousands, no no press, presto state.

700
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 3: He had like two really good years, three really good years.

701
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: He got drafted to the Chargers number twelve, pick he was.

702
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: He Ryan Matthew kind of has that same body, doesn't he.

703
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but a big guys, big guy, big and can run,

704
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 1: can run. I think this guy is gonna be the truth.

705
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: And you went out and got a tight end and

706
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: haven't played a lot of twelve persons. He didn't play

707
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: on the line in twelve but he can move. Forgetting

708
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: his name, Chargers drafted him the tight end this year

709
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: and they went and got three receivers.

710
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: You have to run lot receivers because my Williams just retired.

711
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: Mike Williams retired. But you just you just sid like

712
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: the old mcconky. I think he's gonna be a great

713
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: situational receiver for them to He's unguardable.

714
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: He's gonna start at X and Z. But you got

715
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: gas into the tight end.

716
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: Mark Gasson is a tight end, but he's not going

717
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: to he's not going to play twelve person If they do,

718
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 2: they're going to detach him.

719
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: So he but he can run. He's fast, very they're

720
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: gonna play two tight ends.

721
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: They'll play tight when they go twelve though, they'll detach

722
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: him because he can't block.

723
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: He's just but he could. He's a nightmare and yeah,

724
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: he can be like an h And then the two

725
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: receivers kids from Carolina, who's we got?

726
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 5: They got Trey Harrison, Gray Harris just for miss Condrey

727
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 5: Lambert Smith that first round, second second and he just

728
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 5: supposed to fly.

729
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: He can fly.

730
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: And he signed Kunky and the tight end if they

731
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: can get them intermediate and you have someone that can

732
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: blow the top off with the good you know, run game.

733
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: You can get those explosion plays with the guy that

734
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: can throw him exactly. I think the biggest thing everyone

735
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: talks about, you know, you losing Bolsa, but I think

736
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: the bigger loss for the Chargers with Poona Ford poona

737
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: big Poona in the middle was tough. But now you know,

738
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: unfortunately the injuries, so he didn't seem so. But I

739
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: think the Chargers front Khalil Mack is still playing at

740
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: a high level. You went out and free agency made

741
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: some things happen, so they feel tough too. Ever, since

742
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: you know, Harball got there, which is a very it's

743
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: a very rare thing to have an offensive minded coach

744
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: have the label of toughness, right, you know what I mean?

745
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: But Harrorball has that. And then he brought over did

746
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: he bring on the Ravens guy? Yeah, he brought up

747
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: the Ravens McDonald. He brought over the Ravens her off

748
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: GM and they brought the Michigan d C. That was

749
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: with the Ravens. What's the Michigan Yeah, Jesse Jesse Mentor

750
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 2: is the d C, d C and any the Ravens. Uh,

751
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: he's the GM. Now for the Chargers that he's doing

752
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: a great job of bringing it. Hero that's they brought

753
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: a lot of raven guys in last year. What's the

754
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: name they're gonna have. That's a tough division. It's a

755
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 2: tough and the Raiders like they got better. You got

756
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll there. You know there's gonna be something, dude,

757
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: Harpball's how about this? Harpball's the less least decorated coach

758
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: in the FC West. Pete Carroll won a Super Bowl.

759
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: Think about all the coaches, they all won a Super

760
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: Bowl except Harball except Isn't that crazy? Think about and

761
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: think about what his look at his his decorated. He's

762
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: a decorated coach and he's the least decorated coach in

763
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Speaker 1: that conference. It's gonna be tough. Would you like to

764
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: play for Harball. Oh absolutely, I love Jim. I played

765
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: for I played for John in Baltimore, and well, just

766
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: making sure, making sure I'm an old man.

767
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: Your last couple. I believe you said it retired you

768
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 2: because they hit so far. Yeah. Yes, my neck hurts

769
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: right now, trust me, trust me.

770
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. But he was believing he was in San Diego,

771
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: USDE when I was with the Chargers, so he would

772
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: come over to the facility. So I've been knowing Harves

773
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: for a while. I'm trying to at Harps and he

774
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: said he might do it. I guess what I'm trying

775
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: to do. Bring training camp to Fresno, the valley, the valley, Harborball.

776
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: Listen to this coach. He's seriously he talked about I

777
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: brought the mare on. Harball was talking about that real heat. Yeah,

778
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: that heat. You want to heat it up. Let's eat

779
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: it up, baby hot down that central valley. Bro, you

780
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 1: put that window down.

781
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: Okay, you know about it, Baby one four, that's on

782
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 2: a good day, baby one on eight one.

783
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 1: Five dright heat thought, Harball, don't listen to this guy.

784
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: Come under and in a tough and we got the

785
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: biggest wave pool down there. Not a way the big pool,

786
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: not the way Water slide. No, it's not a way

787
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's God Drew Brees is affiliated with it.

788
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: What's what's the name of that slater? Slater? It's we

789
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: got a big surfboard branch out there.

790
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 2: Bro. You're basically in the more baby in the l town.

791
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 2: So I'm bringing you out, Jewles, You're coming out. I'm

792
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: coming I'll come out. Surf ranch, baby, I'm bringing it.

793
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 2: You heard that. We got the guy. He's coming out.

794
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: Me and Jules do some surfing. Everybody goes, did you

795
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 2: see me.

796
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 5: With Jim Harbor?

797
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: Do you see that one?

798
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 5: The meme me with him like behind the curtain watching

799
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 5: justin Herbert.

800
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: Oh, no, great, dude, he is a fun coach. I

801
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: almost signed with the Niners. Did you with when I

802
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: was a free agent? Me and him sat for forty

803
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: five minutes. And this is when there was like the

804
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 2: beef between him and the GM with the Niners, remember

805
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 2: that all that stuff. And so he goes like, tell

806
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 2: me what do you want you basically like handling the contract,

807
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: and I knew, like I'm sitting there like is this

808
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: a kacher? But we just sat and had a dip

809
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: and talked football. Yeah, like he's like you want to

810
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: dip and he's just a football guy. Is he loves that.

811
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: He gets a great man. He could tell he loves

812
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: his family. Comes from a great family. They just love

813
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: football football.

814
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: His dad Jack, Yeah, Jack gives some great stories.

815
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 5: This was going around the internet a lot the other day.

816
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: That's classic. What is he doing?

817
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: So that's kind of weird a little bit. It's like, okay, Yarbs,

818
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: So you played for eight teams. Do you think of

819
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: yourself as a Charger?

820
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what the Saints to four years was amazing.

821
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: Got drafted there, believe it or not. I was leading

822
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: league in Russian So I went seventy three yards. First

823
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: played from scrimmage against Atlanta Falcons. Baby took a house

824
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: called babies. Nobody can't come get your boy was getting

825
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: them up and getting them down. I was running faux

826
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: fox back in the day, just letting you know, hey,

827
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: just like you know, you don't play that long and

828
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: now I have some superpower and uh the first week

829
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: we played against the Houston Olers. At the time, I

830
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: had like not eighty or a half eighty ninety yard

831
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: against the Houston Orders first week one with the same

832
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: with the same thing. I had like seventy yards on

833
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: like ten carries. Wow, your boy was your I was?

834
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: I was? I was?

835
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 3: I was a hello yard per carry?

836
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 5: You beat Houston thirty three to twenty one.

837
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: What I'm run for? I mean me, give me, come

838
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: up my stats. I don't know what to look at

839
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: you here?

840
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 5: I got you. You had thirteen carries, eighty nine yard

841
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 5: rushing with a long and twenty nine also nine. Hey,

842
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 5: but you're putting on the turf though fumble? Did I

843
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 5: they didn't?

844
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: Why you? Why you gotta putting that part?

845
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 5: Bro Let me real facts here.

846
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: I mean, you didn't lose it, though you got the news.

847
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: I recovered it. Fake news, that's fake news. I refundled it,

848
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: but I recovered it. So is it actually a fumble

849
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: if I recovered it?

850
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know to turnover. I didn't turn

851
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: over the ball got it back. That's like the saddest

852
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: thing when you see a fullback fumble. I was.

853
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: I was that nye. I was playing table. I know,

854
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying in general, I know it is

855
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: because you know he's not gonna get it hardly again.

856
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: I get you know you're like, yeah, he's been waiting

857
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: for that time. I've been waiting.

858
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: He'd been waiting for him. He's been waiting time I

859
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 3: see you get a littleis bonyx.

860
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: He'd been waiting. I heard that he'd be waiting in there.

861
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: I could, I could appreciate that. Baby, give me somebody

862
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: he already he'd be waiting up in here.

863
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 5: Some more info on Warren Moon. He also had two fumbles.

864
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 5: M he turned them over though we know he know

865
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 5: he didn't, but he had He threw a pick okay,

866
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 5: okay for yards, touchdown reception three secs.

867
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: Go to Nick Week two, What what'd your boy do

868
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: against Atlanta Falcons? Is so yeah, So you know, I'm

869
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: just kind of excited since we're going on memory lane,

870
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: I mean I might as well.

871
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 5: You guys beat the Falcons thirty four to thirty one.

872
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: A game thirty four you had let's just look at

873
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: my sting.

874
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 5: You had eight rushing attempts eighty six yards and a

875
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 5: touchdown with a long of seventy four.

876
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: Two weeks in a row. Baby boys putting it down,

877
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: that's insane. Right then, this happened, broke the ankle del

878
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: toy ligament screws play Scott Case. Remember, like, yes, they

879
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: catch the guy got a ball running a sweep and

880
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: he's trying to top him on my shoulder and I

881
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: tried to rip underneath and he lake whip fell right

882
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: on my buttons.

883
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: But with that rule, then you can't even do that.

884
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: You can't do it. Yeah.

885
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you were playing nowadays, you probably would

886
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: have never had that.

887
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: You still be better. You beat a tails exactly exactly.

888
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: I probably only played like maybe five six years though,

889
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: because I ran hard. I just you know, I ran hard.

890
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: But the Saints was good, good team. It wasn't a

891
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: good team.

892
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 2: We were horrible.

893
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: We're the Aints. The next couple of years it was

894
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: just horrible. Jets was a fun fun Stantons one year

895
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: and they got traded at the Tampa Bay. It was

896
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Uh, Jets, we'll go to we're

897
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: one game from the playoffs. We played Detroit last week.

898
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: All we need to do is beat the Detroit Barry

899
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: Sanders on the team held him under forty yards the

900
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: last play seventy I remember that that play that play

901
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: bro we would have went to the Parcels first year, Yes,

902
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: I was with Parcels there.

903
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the next year they went to like

904
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: the AFC Championship or something. They were they were getting ready. Yeah,

905
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: they were a good team then yeah yeah.

906
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: And then from the Tampa we have one game from

907
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: the playoffs that happened there, and uh from Tampa where

908
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: they go Tennessee, Tennessee. We played Super Bowl yep, the longest,

909
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: that one hurt, that one and we beat them, and

910
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: we beat the Rams that year, and I remember we

911
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: went undefeated at home. We didn't lose a game in

912
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: Adelphield Stadium.

913
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: Ati Music City, miraclesains Buffalo.

914
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: Yep. I caught that pass. I pitched it back to

915
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: y check White check over to Dyson. Strike up the band, baby,

916
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: Let's make it up. That was insane. That game.

917
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 5: That game is incredible too.

918
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: That game was incredible. That's an incredible game. Incredible game,

919
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: it really was.

920
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: Uh. Shoot, blocked him for Eddie George, he was that

921
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: dude works. So let's go over some of the guys

922
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: you blocked for. You blocked for some incredible dudes. Oh yeah, Lt.

923
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: Ladani and thomasin in San Diego, work done in Tampa Bay,

924
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: Mike Allstot in Tampa Bay, Corey Dillon in Cincinnati.

925
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: Yes, don't forget about Eddie George.

926
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: He was on the cover of maddend ag was tough,

927
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: and Adrian Morel and with the Jets, you had a

928
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 2: thousand yards.

929
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you no one. I mean, lt worked hard,

930
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: but Eddie George worked hard. I mean the hard work

931
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: he did. Danny worked hard too, but he's just gifted.

932
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: The guy who didn't work hard, that would be a

933
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: Hall of that I think is still a Hall of Famer.

934
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. Under everyone. Just don't Corey Dillon. You got

935
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: the scene I didn't see.

936
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: I wasn't there.

937
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: I mean, this dude ran hard. He just he didn't

938
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: work out. I'm like, Corey, let's go work out Tuesday

939
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: off day, let's go out to film. He did a

940
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: couple of times. But Dylan just.

941
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: There's always a couple of those guys that just were

942
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: touched by God, Touch my God. And they if they

943
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 2: if they maybe just farted a little more, that part,

944
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: that part just what I mean, just.

945
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: Part a little bit more. Just get a little bit

946
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: out of you, coach, buddy, I was I'm feeling you.

947
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: He's had a hell of career though. Oh my gosh,

948
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I was playing with those guys, just

949
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: like in the Chargers.

950
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: I mean, if you and then from of course from

951
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: Cincinnati went to the Chargers and blocked Philadin, and he

952
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: was just that dude wanted to win. Let's do it.

953
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: Let's do it. I'll say the name.

954
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: You give me one word that comes up to your

955
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: mind about their running, stuf, playing style, whatever, style, anything

956
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 2: that just comes up. L t. Ladani and Thomason lightning

957
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: in a bottle or done unhittable, just just you never

958
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 2: seen him take a big shot. Just jitterbug, jitterbug, jitterbug. Yeah,

959
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 2: Mike Alstott bulling the China shot, rhino, rhino. Corey Dylon,

960
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 2: Dylan dylanator mean, angry, angry. I seen the guy knock

961
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: out a guy playing against I was on Cincinnati and

962
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: hear I was talking to your boy, Brady. He hit

963
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 2: your safety and he was he ran him over the safety,

964
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: come up, hit and he was out before he fell

965
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 2: on the ground.

966
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: Corey Dillon knocked him out before the guy hit the ground.

967
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: He hit him so hard. Running up, Corey Dylon ran angry.

968
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 5: Nothing to cut you off. Do you think of play

969
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 5: like that or that style of play against the Patriots

970
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 5: because then Bill brought in Corey Dillon when they won

971
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 5: that Super Bowl. You think they see a game like that.

972
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 3: Thousand that was that was?

973
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: That was Yeah, he knew Corey had something. He knew

974
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: and he loved. He talked about Corey all the time.

975
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: And you know I was on the different the next

976
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: general next right, right, But you missed Corey by like

977
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: two years. I was, yeah, but I mean I was

978
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: in a completely like that was by that time. It

979
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: was it was a new team, ok, you know, the

980
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: only thing we had Tom, you know, and and a

981
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: couple of the guys fell fall. Teddy was there for

982
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: a little while and he had some key pieces. But

983
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: he used to talk about Corey Dylon.

984
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: What did he say? He would say, ship like, look,

985
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: you're no freaking Corey because he knew Corey because Corey

986
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: went back. He knew Corey was just like yeah, he didn't.

987
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: He would use Corey as an example to someone other

988
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: one who thought he was he thought he.

989
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: Was a prima donna. Yeah, Corey Dylan. And he said

990
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: the way you said that, that's that's Belle Checker.

991
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: You know, Corey Dylon give me a breakout on the

992
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: program sat for twelve years and watching him this close

993
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: its fun. I know every.

994
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: Crazy right there. That was crazy. Let's get back to

995
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: Eddie George. Eddie George hard worker, dominator and that's crazy

996
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: because he was a specimen too, specimen dude. We win

997
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: ran the hills together. I went.

998
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: He's like, he's like I would say, Derrick Henry is

999
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: kind of like in that that realm. They don't run

1000
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: the same because he had higher knees, right, and but

1001
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: like just the sheer fact that, like I know, Derrick

1002
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: Henry works his ass off.

1003
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 3: I see these video you see.

1004
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: Him like he pullings Derek anyway.

1005
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: He works and he's doing all like the very like

1006
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: new age stuff where all his pliability, flexibility. This guy

1007
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: I heard like he's he's a monster. And that's you

1008
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 2: know what you probably thought of Eddie. Yeah, and Eddie

1009
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: wasn't the talent. It is like Corey more talent, Ladanian,

1010
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 2: way more talent, Age Morrell, jittery, nice, shakes, shits you down,

1011
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 2: not run hard, but you know, make you miss.

1012
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: Just put one of those guys. Ah, I'm not in

1013
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: and out. But Eddie was the guy that just I'm

1014
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: just gonna go here's who I am I don't have,

1015
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna give you everything I got. I

1016
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: mean the guy was, I mean he was tough. He

1017
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: was tough, could run sad speed, but just that different

1018
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: type of tough. I remember there's that one run that's

1019
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: like iconic of him pushing a guy and breaking the

1020
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: tackle and you know what I mean.

1021
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, just you're it like no quit, no quit qui

1022
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: He's gonna give everything he got. Can you break down

1023
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: each of their running styles?

1024
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1025
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 2: I think that when you look at Corey, Dylan was explosive, big, big,

1026
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: strong and could deliver a blow.

1027
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: So he was a punisher. Eddie was more that Clydesdale,

1028
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: that that freaking Missouri talks fire. You just knew, here's

1029
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: four yards in a cloud of dust and every now

1030
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: and then he broke. He could hurt you, but he

1031
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: was just Eddie's six you know, six four six fives,

1032
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: big guy that's more straight ahead. Yeah, he can give

1033
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: you one cut and get north and south. He's just

1034
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: gonna impose his whell wear you out. You know, Age

1035
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: Morrell just shifty, He's gonna boom up and he's it's

1036
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: that work done. Was shifty but still smooth.

1037
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: Uh, He's so low and elusive, hard to hit the

1038
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: back slip and shake you up.

1039
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: And Ladani and Thomas was just lighting the bottle. He

1040
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: can beat you on an angle route. He could beat

1041
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: you with speed. You never took a big shot. He

1042
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: can just he'll sit you down and he's out. And

1043
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: he did it efforlessly. I mean, this guy could run

1044
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: a post. You could line l t up at his receiver.

1045
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: He probably could have started motion them out linebacker have

1046
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: good No, no no chance. He's like yeah yeah, him

1047
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: and Marshall is kind of is kind of the same

1048
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: type of intality. Did you play with Sprolls Rosie little

1049
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: water bug? I call him bug? I think that's a

1050
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: everyone called him.

1051
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: We used to have a route, the angle route was

1052
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: called the Sprolls route because he was so dominant at it.

1053
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 3: He would hit you the two way go you cross

1054
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 3: your face.

1055
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 2: He was and then he would go because think about

1056
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,959
Speaker 2: you and not one of the reasons that that wes

1057
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: because you had Sprolls and West.

1058
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: I mean Sprolls West was started with the Chargers. Think

1059
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: about it was him, It was Dane and Michael t

1060
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: Our backfield was nasty. It was Mike Turner. I don't

1061
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 1: know how in the hell y'all that you didn't play beats,

1062
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: but that that's the thing. Talent will win football games,

1063
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: but a team wins championship. What's up with these? Said dude?

1064
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: I was I was just with the Tonio Gates still

1065
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: to this day can't take that fourteen to two seasons.

1066
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, Tonio, I wasn't on that team, but you

1067
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 2: just he goes.

1068
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: You just can't bloy. He just sounds the same thing

1069
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: because you because you would, you just you just breathe everything.

1070
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: Patriots, it's an atrear and it's like, dude, McCree, if

1071
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: you're watching this, sucker, why don't.

1072
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: You just fall on the ground.

1073
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: I mean, we're winning the game and all you do

1074
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: is catch the ball and it's fourth the third they

1075
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: throw Hell mary right, McCree intercepts it.

1076
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: Oh we got twenty one on offense. It's only four minutes. Oh,

1077
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: fall down, We'll give the ball to twenty one and

1078
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: we'll run. He tries to run it back and gets stripped.

1079
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: Troy Brown. I'm like, why, yes, you.

1080
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: Know how many times that we watched that damn play

1081
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: just for what not to do? It's like who for

1082
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: what to do on not giving up on a play right.

1083
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: Bill used to always emphasize that like going into playoffs,

1084
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: you'd have a cut up of like old Patriot stuff. Look,

1085
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 2: we're out of this game. Troy fucking Brown didn't think

1086
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: so game's over. No, Troy got it? Yes, yes, Oh

1087
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 2: my god, this is great. They gotta do stand up.

1088
00:51:59,640 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: No.

1089
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 3: I tried that once.

1090
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: How that work out? Like a fart and true? Okay,

1091
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 1: it's actually okay.

1092
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 3: I was just terrified.

1093
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 2: I went to the comedy story, I did the roast okay,

1094
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 2: Tom Brady, Yeah, And so I went and practiced it,

1095
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: and that ship's hard. Those guys are you gotta be

1096
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: And it's like you gotta be able to tell a

1097
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: story and like formulate right and be able to go

1098
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: bring and out weaving. You're smart, We've entertained like you

1099
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: start dipping into other people's worlds. You know, we were

1100
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 2: blessed and fortunate enough to go at the highest level

1101
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: of what we did. So it brings a perspective and

1102
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 2: a respect for all the people that do what they

1103
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: do at the right well said, you know what I mean,

1104
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: pull up how many yards of Dani see you got me.

1105
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: Now you own this GAMEE pull up how many yards

1106
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: of dani and Thomason had against the Patriots, but see

1107
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: how many had in the first half? The first half?

1108
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 2: ABC shape or division round? Yeah, division round, dude, the

1109
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:55,479
Speaker 2: first half?

1110
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: And are your coaches did? But sometimes coaches player I

1111
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: believe this, all things being equal, players make plays. Coaches

1112
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: make decisions that help determine the ol chemic games. If

1113
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: all things being equal, players are gonna make plays. If

1114
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: you got if you got Edelman and you're gonna say,

1115
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: i'mna play press cup, I got you, Jo got you

1116
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: and gonna play press coverage and put you on the slot.

1117
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: You as a player, you're gonna make a play. The

1118
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: coaches have to determine again, play zone, Give this guy

1119
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: take it away. You know it's bracket this guy. Let's

1120
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: make him look somewhere else because you know you're gonna

1121
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: beat that. That's a coach making decision that's gonna determine

1122
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: the outcome of the game on that particular game. I

1123
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: think coaches gonna make plays. Players gonna make plays, but

1124
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: coaches make decisions that determined that game didn't have to

1125
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: be close. How many yards did he having in the

1126
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: first half when you if you look at LT what

1127
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: he was doing in the first half, and then how

1128
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: we just went away from the run game and was like,

1129
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: this is not who we are and I think you

1130
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: know it. Guy's pretty close. Hyeah.

1131
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: I hate bringing them up all the time, but Billy

1132
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: said that shit all the time. He say players win

1133
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: your games, coaches lose your games, meaning you have to

1134
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 2: make the plays, we can fuck it up, which is true.

1135
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: It's what you're saying that that case you have to

1136
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: you know, no one that you what's gree on. I'm

1137
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 2: not saying it would have happened.

1138
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: But that Super Bowl, you guys playing against Seattle, I'm

1139
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: not saying it, but it's not saying y'all would have lost.

1140
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: But if you give the ball to Mars, at least

1141
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: lose with him, lose with lose with Tom Brady throwing

1142
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: into you. If you dropped the pass, if Tom's going

1143
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: to you and Druk, guess what would he be pissed

1144
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: off to you? Yeah, but they said he went to

1145
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: the guy that who's been dependable. You know what I'm saying.

1146
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Why do you sometimes a coach

1147
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 1: say I'm gonna all smart everyone else.

1148
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: Well, they didn't out smart. The thing is they time

1149
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: they had that, they had that tendency. They showed that

1150
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: like same matchup a million We got beat by that

1151
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: play in practice by our scout team teen times. I

1152
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: remember vividly sitting on the sideline because you know, a

1153
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: Super Bowl practice usually you're always doing something with the

1154
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: other teams. But the last couple of practices we're honed

1155
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: in on the defense to see how they're doing. They're

1156
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: honed in on us, and we're sitting there and they

1157
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: were getting creamed by that damn play. And it just

1158
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: so happened that they put because they knew that if

1159
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 2: they put that personnel group in that there was like

1160
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: a spike that they would play that play.

1161
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 3: Like you know, so if you watch make a decision, that's.

1162
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: A coach make a decision to determine the outcome of

1163
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: the game. That's the whole.

1164
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 2: Like on the sideline when you know Belichick's looking at

1165
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: Carol Yea waiting and he and he didn't call a

1166
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 2: time out and he sent that personnel group because that's

1167
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: the that's the play that they thought they would probably

1168
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: maybe get.

1169
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 3: Wow, there's always chess.

1170
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we were getting smoked by that play and

1171
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 2: it was and we had another corner in and then

1172
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 2: he ended up getting benched and they brought in Malcolm

1173
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: who was an undrafted free agent who was actually a

1174
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: fucking stud. Like all year that year and practice and everything.

1175
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 2: He had a long, strong arm. He was physical at

1176
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. And we had Browner who came

1177
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: from Seattle, who was a long guy. And on that play,

1178
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 2: the coaching point was Browner, you blow him the fuck up,

1179
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 2: and Malcolm, you break you go get it. Because they

1180
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 2: didn't run outside never, they never went like they never

1181
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: went like a two way go I'm gonna slint or

1182
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: go out to the flat. I mean, we watched it

1183
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: emotion it was like you saw, but it was insane

1184
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: that he actually executed as a rookie on getting in

1185
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 2: the game second half of the Super Bowl, Browner doing

1186
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 2: his job.

1187
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: You know that, that was do your job.

1188
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 2: That's what people don't really remember is the play right

1189
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: before when Dantae how Tower took on a guard and

1190
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 2: tackled Marshawn Inch in the hole on the one That's

1191
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 2: what saved the game.

1192
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 3: True, So the plays within the play no, no question, No.

1193
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 5: I had to do it manually. So in the first

1194
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 5: half of this game, which is the just to clarify,

1195
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 5: is the two thousand and sixth Division Round game where

1196
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 5: the Patriots beat the Chargers twenty one, twenty four to

1197
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 5: twenty one. In the first half, Ladanian Tomlinson had seventy

1198
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 5: nine yards and a touchdown. Second half, because that's just

1199
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 5: what I was. Yeah, can I just tell me the total,

1200
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 5: that's just he goes. So his total was he had

1201
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty three rushing yards, two touchdowns six.

1202
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 5: He also had two receptions for sixty four yards.

1203
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: Yes, he did. Second half, he barely. I mean he

1204
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: touched the ball maybe like six times, seven times. It

1205
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: was just it was just he was he was in

1206
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: that mode. He was ready to go, guys, just like

1207
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: just wanting the ball, and we just just didn't do it. Well,

1208
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: you guys were up, We were up. See that that

1209
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: goes into the run, goes into.

1210
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: The you know, the do you go out and win

1211
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: it or do you go out the four minute offense

1212
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: which you're the closer in.

1213
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: That's what Shanahan did that. Shanahan did that against you guys.

1214
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: He said, let's go kill him, Let's knock him out.

1215
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: So he said, let's throw the ball instead of just like,

1216
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: look when you happen, you try to get you out

1217
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: smart yourself. And he does that a couple of times,

1218
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: and that's what he you know, the only thing you're

1219
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: talking about with the twenty eight to three yep, twenty

1220
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: eight three, you guys says, okay, let us stick around.

1221
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: Look what he's done in the Superh's and there's been

1222
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: signs that they've done it with their niners. Instead, when

1223
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: you're up, he does he wants gold for the juggler,

1224
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: and I understand I do too, but you know, you

1225
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: got to learn from these because he has had that

1226
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: track record. He's they're teams, you know, Kyle Shanahan teams

1227
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: are always really great teams from ahead by front running teams,

1228
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: meaning like when they play the game they want to play.

1229
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: When they get their run game going, you can't beat

1230
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: them game. But if you if you throw a little

1231
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: in that pond and you start loaning that box and

1232
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 1: making them getting that dropping back pass game, you start

1233
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: doing all those things. You know, the numbers haven't looked

1234
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: good as far as that.

1235
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 5: I'm with you, I also need to apologize to LT.

1236
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 5: He had an additional sixty four yards receiving in the

1237
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 5: second quarter as well two receptions for yards eating twenty

1238
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 5: in the first half seventy nine.

1239
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: Now is that.

1240
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1241
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: First mass from the other side though, Now is that

1242
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 2: like halftime adjustments and go down in San Diego charger

1243
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: locker room and there were in the Patriots or I

1244
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: don't you know what. That's what someone would say on

1245
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: the other side. No, no, no, I get it, I

1246
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: get it. Nothing happened. We just stopped running the ball.

1247
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: LT. When you watch in the second half, he was

1248
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: still able to eat, but they didn't. They just said

1249
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: he wasn't the focal point. You didn't, that's all. And

1250
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: the coaches got it. They just start getting scared. It's yeah, nuts,

1251
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: tighten up. You know what pressure due to a pipe.

1252
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: Pressure can do two things. Either makes a diamond or

1253
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: bust your pipes. Come on, that's what my pops always

1254
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this quick break. Who's the

1255
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: current lineman or linebacker that you would love to have

1256
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: a battle against in this day and age football? You

1257
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: know what, I would have loved to play with a

1258
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: guy like Trent Williams Williams. I love the Niners, just mean,

1259
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: I would have loved running power to his side. I

1260
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: knew he was going to and just hey, diddle, diddle,

1261
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: let's go. I'm coming down the middle. And because I

1262
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: know he was gonna wash, and I'm like, okay, it's

1263
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: just me and the linebacker I love and near guy

1264
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: you got, I say, Ice, get your boy mad hey,

1265
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: uh uh coach. Now for you guys, Patriots braves had

1266
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: braves on skates, baby, come on, so where you were

1267
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: whimming or running power runner? Because he's playing outside back,

1268
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: outside backer, so I'd make him make decision. He tried

1269
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: to hold me off with them long chop. I'm coming

1270
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: to get you, baby, So I love long arms. He's

1271
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: a good backer. And but they were and Teddy was

1272
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: just smart. He would never he knew he was like

1273
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: he would just know how to get down and he

1274
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: knew how to just fall make a pal Bruce. I mean,

1275
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 1: you guys had some smart guys. Guys just knew the game,

1276
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: played their roles, played their roles. The technique that they

1277
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: play is like they knew they ain't gonna try to

1278
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: be tough man. I'm gonna do what I can do.

1279
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: Like two gap. Yeah, I.

1280
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: And I heard that somebody, we're fucking two gaps right,

1281
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 2: get your arms out, shed blocker and go, oh my god.

1282
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah that.

1283
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 3: But you know it's interesting because I was there for

1284
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 3: I was there for twelve years.

1285
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 2: So like I, we'd have like a free agent d

1286
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 2: M come in, and guys didn't realize that playing on

1287
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 2: that defense wasn't about your stats, wasn't about this. It

1288
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 2: was everyone had their role. And if you were a

1289
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 2: pass rusher and you weren't setting the edge and you're

1290
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 2: getting blown up in the run game and you only

1291
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: thought you were playing on third down, they wouldn't fucking

1292
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: play you.

1293
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1294
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 2: If you're a linebacker that you know guest and did

1295
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: stuff and gambled because you know how the linebackers they

1296
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 2: could try to shoot the gap and then all of

1297
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 2: a sudden, that's thirty out their ass, right, you know

1298
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 2: what I mean, you weren't there, you know That's how crazy.

1299
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 2: That's that was the unity of that team. You know,

1300
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: everyone played on a string, very similar to when you

1301
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 2: watch those Seattle like Legion of Booms.

1302
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: Just for guys.

1303
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 2: For me that I went against those defenses, man, that

1304
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 2: are on a string where everyone's fucking on the same communication,

1305
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 2: everyone's doing their job. Those are the hardest defenses to

1306
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: play because no one's making a mistake. We always used

1307
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 2: to eat guys that made a mistake because Brady would

1308
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 2: always see.

1309
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: It, you know what I mean, They tried to do

1310
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: too much.

1311
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 2: But it's the team that And I always used to

1312
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 2: hear our defensive coaches say, you know, it's not about yards.

1313
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 2: You guys can have yards, this is points. Let's fucking

1314
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: slow them down. Let's make them go twelve fucking plays,

1315
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 2: and let's let's practice our red zone defense and and

1316
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 2: try to only get give up three because can they

1317
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 2: do that five times?

1318
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: Can they do twelve plays?

1319
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 2: And like that's that was what I always saw, just

1320
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 2: from an offensive guy watching in team meetings of what

1321
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: our defense was always doing.

1322
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: No no question, and that when you have a team

1323
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: that make them sustain drives, it's hard to do and

1324
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: they'll get in people.

1325
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: People get impatient, patient. Everyone wants to be a video

1326
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 2: game player, absolutely, you know I mean that. And recently

1327
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: Belichick goes on and talks about what was Brady's greatest

1328
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 2: quality that he always got us in the right play,

1329
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: never made the bad decision. Like, that's if you do

1330
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 2: the right like as a young football player when I

1331
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: when I was an older guy and young guys like, yo,

1332
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 2: what do I need to do?

1333
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 3: I say no, to line up, know.

1334
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: What the defense is doing, and know your person like

1335
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 2: know your personnels and all your ship. If you know

1336
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 2: what to do, you're already beating like half the guys

1337
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 2: now not knowing what you need to do, but knowing

1338
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 2: what's going on, the concept of the play, why we're

1339
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,919
Speaker 2: doing this, we're high lowing this back or what def

1340
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: If you know what to do against what you're probably

1341
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 2: gonna do, that's gonna like half the battle. Then you

1342
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 2: can use your athletic traits once you know those things.

1343
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: Right, right, No, you're one thousand percent right, I know

1344
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: one thousand I would love you. Told who I love

1345
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: to play now is Fred Warner. I think Fred Warner

1346
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: is a guy. I love watching him play. But if

1347
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: if you hold if this guard can do his job

1348
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: and block down the three technique and let it just

1349
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: be me and you, I think I'd have had my

1350
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: way with Freddy. He's taller, he's tall, healthy level, you're low.

1351
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember Irlacker Ice told just give it

1352
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: to him. I mean Ray, I told Ray, Ray, I

1353
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: just give it to Ray. I'd give it. So those

1354
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: guys are six two sixty three now. Al Wilson gave

1355
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,959
Speaker 1: me problems. Zach Thomas gave me problem. Fletcher London, Fletcher Little,

1356
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: the little sucker was tough. But what did he give you?

1357
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: Because trying to get out of it, who's getting and

1358
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: that's what's hard. London gave me problem fifty six. London

1359
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: gave me problems. Zach Thomas low, harder to get to

1360
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: and I'm like, God, Ray tall, I could get to him.

1361
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, those little shorter guys gave me problems, gave

1362
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: me problems. I love playing against taller linebackers that I

1363
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: could get underneath. So the hardest to block, I believe

1364
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: it or not. Jesse Tuggle way back Atlanta Falcons. He

1365
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: was tough, short guy played linebacker, and Al Wilson was tough.

1366
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: Because I would say, if you said the too tough

1367
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: was probably Al Wilson, Old school would be Jesse Tuggle.

1368
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: But Al Wilson played with Denver Broncos and Zach because

1369
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: they were short and I couldn't get under because I'm

1370
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: shorter guy, and it's hard to get underneath the guys

1371
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: that played high. So those two gave me the most

1372
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: I think gave me fits.

1373
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 2: Now, if there's a young fullback out there trying to

1374
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 2: get through this crazy world that they call football, because

1375
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 2: they barely have anymore fullbacks, they barely you're right, what

1376
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 2: is the one thing that you what's like the one

1377
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: bit of advice that you give for the fullback, Like

1378
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 2: if you're gonna be the team, because that's a that's

1379
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 2: a badge of honor. Because if you're on the team

1380
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 2: and you're a fullback, like you ain't have no backup.

1381
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 2: You don't have a backup. You gotta know a lot

1382
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 2: of shit. It's like a mentality thing. My fullback, James Devlin,

1383
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 2: like the fullback was always like the first guy in

1384
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 2: the locker room, fucking smelling salt, swaly squat and like

1385
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 2: drinking cement for fucking breakfast, Like that's what.

1386
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: But that was his job.

1387
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 2: He had to show that, like I'm part of the

1388
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 2: toughness team, and I am the toughness team. What's your

1389
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 2: advice for the fullback? The young fullback trying to come

1390
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 2: in and make his his way on a team.

1391
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is walk lightly but carry

1392
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: a heavy bat. I didn't need to be anyone's friends.

1393
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: I said, we just worked together. I'm not your friend.

1394
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: We just work together. We got you know, you can

1395
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 1: buy yourself some friends. You have to be mean, you

1396
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: have to be physical. It's fullback to My advice is like,

1397
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's some technique to it, but it's like, guys,

1398
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: do not want to hit and head on when you

1399
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: see me coming and you see me, you have to

1400
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: make a decision. My advice to fullbacks if you want

1401
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: to make this game come back and fullbacks become an

1402
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: integral part of this game again. You have to be fearless.

1403
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: You have to run in there whether it hurts or not,

1404
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: and say I'm going to win this battle. I'm talking

1405
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: about cutting the leg when you block, block up and through.

1406
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: If you're going head to when you hit, you dip,

1407
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: you lift, and you create a new line. When you

1408
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: stellmate as a fullback, and you stell mat and the

1409
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: linebackers stepped you in a hole, you make the tailback.

1410
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: Now stop his feet. You have to say I'm gonna

1411
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,439
Speaker 1: hit you, I'm gonna stay lord, and I'm gonna push

1412
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: you out of the way. If you can push and

1413
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: get create a new line of scrimmage. Now you give

1414
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: the tailback a two way cut. That's what I knew

1415
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 1: when I played full back. I could see the safety

1416
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: coming down, and I knew if the safety came down

1417
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: he was playing force, trying to knock the linebacker and

1418
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: make it spill inside. I said, if you know that,

1419
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: if I could get to his inside shoulder, throw my

1420
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: head across. Now you have ladanium safety and linebackers playing

1421
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: air because you created that space. So it's about knowing

1422
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 1: your job, attention and details, and play the game physical.

1423
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: That's what right, You know what.

1424
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree one thousand percent more. I'm not a fullback,

1425
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: but I just always hung around fullbacks. And I remember

1426
01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 2: when you know James ended up fucking like having a

1427
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 2: neck problem, because that's what you have if you're and

1428
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: I would explain to the new fullback, Okay, that's this

1429
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 2: is gonna happen.

1430
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 1: This is what you have.

1431
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,799
Speaker 2: This has to happen for you to be a proper fullback.

1432
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 2: You have to have neck problems. You have to go

1433
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 2: in and literally look like you're you don't care about

1434
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 2: your body. You don't like that, and that's what because

1435
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 2: you know, then we'd have some other new fullbacks come

1436
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 2: in they try to go with the chess fird, you

1437
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I'm like, dude, you got to

1438
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: have at least three concussions before camp is out for

1439
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 2: you to be a right fullback.

1440
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry for the whole concussion talk, but whatever.

1441
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I did neck bridges all the time.

1442
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 1: I would do neck. I had an harness where I

1443
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: put them in the chain and the neck neck do that.

1444
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: I did neck all the time. I'd go back an

1445
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: off season, I wrestled at President State. I was number three,

1446
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: ranked number three in the country wrestling. I mean to

1447
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 1: me and Steven Neil. We always tell my boy me, hey,

1448
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: I love Steve. He is a sort of his his

1449
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: son wrestles. I see him all the time in Baker's fieldfield.

1450
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: He's a good guy with the state tournament. Meet him,

1451
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: talk and he's like meet him. Never tussled. We never

1452
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: tough because he was you know, he was a bad boy.

1453
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: Oh he'd be brock Lesterner in the World championship. Steven

1454
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: was tough. Steven was so I played with Steven was tough.

1455
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 2: I played with Steve my first like two years and

1456
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 2: and they had to like strap his shoulders on. He

1457
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 2: had such bad shoulders. And he would still go out

1458
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: and dominate, dominate, like because he was just so athletic

1459
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 2: and leverage wrestling wrestling.

1460
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 1: No one could take Steven. Yeah, Steven he was.

1461
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 2: That's a very under sould story. How crazy of a

1462
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 2: story that is? He didn't play college football.

1463
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 5: No, what makes wrestlers just like a completely different breed

1464
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 5: of human being without a doubt.

1465
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: You can't quit. I can blame the quarterback. I can

1466
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: be an alignment. I can blame receivers. When you wrestle

1467
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: with just you and another individual out there, it's one

1468
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: on one, you shake him and you get to feel

1469
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: what a man is, and it's like, are you gonna

1470
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: let him dominate you? I've never in my life been pinned.

1471
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: I never my senior year, I was forty two and

1472
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: oh thirty pins I just wrestling. Was like, all right,

1473
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: I would go to college and I didn't want to

1474
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: wrestle in college. My dad said, you're still going to wrestle.

1475
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: Jim Sweeney let me play football at Fresleent State, and

1476
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 1: I wrestled. I was ranked number three in the country.

1477
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: I played seven. I was an All American. But it

1478
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: was just the burn. You could quit. You're in there

1479
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: on a double leg, got a single leg in there,

1480
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: and the guy comes across with a cross face, and

1481
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: you could cut kawerd and letting and give up the two,

1482
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: or you just set that cross face and you suck

1483
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: that thing in and you turn the corner and you

1484
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: take him down. You get on top and you start hammering.

1485
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: You come in for that double leg and you pick

1486
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: him up and just slam him. I mean wrestling at

1487
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: one on one.

1488
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 2: I loved it as I hated it, but I loved

1489
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 2: it because I was I hated losing more than like winning.

1490
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 2: I hate when the guys, one of the whole football

1491
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 2: team come into that gym and everyone come watch the

1492
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 2: heavyweight and it's like lo neel and it's like I

1493
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 2: played football, so you know, running about President State, I

1494
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: was the guy and now you got to go out

1495
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 2: and wrestle and all this recruits.

1496
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 1: Jim, bring the recruits in and watch me wrestle. You

1497
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: know the pressure. It's like I can't go out in

1498
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 1: front of my boys, non run boys. So wrestling, that

1499
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 1: one on one That's what makes it different. That's what

1500
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 1: makes it unique because if you people will get to

1501
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,799
Speaker 1: see if you had that q U I T and wrestling.

1502
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: So I think that's what makes it different. And that's

1503
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: what made me play as long as I did in

1504
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: football because it's like, dude, you can't beat me.

1505
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and great flexibility and shit, yeah helps hips.

1506
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of stuff. You'd been a good wrestler,

1507
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: you got that at the mentality they.

1508
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 3: Always asked me, But it was always during basketball season.

1509
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I would hoop a little, okay, but I

1510
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 2: love yeah, I never rest. My brother wrestled, okay, but

1511
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 2: he didn't hoop. Mount Rushmore of fullbacks, oh man, I.

1512
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: You know what, Me and Mike in Moose we talk

1513
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: about it. We know there should be a guy in

1514
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: the in the Hall of Fame. I look at guys

1515
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 1: like Larry Sentners, one of the best receiving fullbacks that

1516
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 1: ever played the game, Sam Gash, I love Sam played

1517
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: in New England to Sam Tough get downhill. Max Strum

1518
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: played with Seattle. You're talking about guys that I talk

1519
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: about that. I just loved the way they played. Of course,

1520
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: Moose Johnson. Moose what he did for Emmett, That's what

1521
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,640
Speaker 1: Emmett loved him. Moose Johnson's tough. Mike All started to

1522
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: think it was the best running fullback that this league

1523
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: have seen because he could play tell back, he could

1524
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 1: play fullback. So I think that all of us had

1525
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 1: our unique kind of kind of you know, own talent

1526
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 1: that made us unique and dominant in our own profession.

1527
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 1: So like Larry Senters, you said, who's the best receiving

1528
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 1: fullback that probably ever played the game? Probably Larry Centers,

1529
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, And oh, yeah, Tom tom you gotta put

1530
01:13:58,240 --> 01:13:58,560
Speaker 1: Tom in that.

1531
01:13:59,080 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 2: I know.

1532
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 1: I love Tommy forty four Yeah, Tom Tommy. Yeah. And

1533
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: John Riggins, but I don't know if he's really full

1534
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: back and tell back Frankle Harris so, but Tommy Rathman,

1535
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: I love Tommy. Tommy could at the backfield, backfield and

1536
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 1: he post split backs himing on Roger Craig love Tommy,

1537
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: Tommy Rathman. I love Tommy Rabbit. He's he's he's definitely

1538
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, definitely in there. Tony Richardson team, Oh

1539
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 1: thank you, t rich Kansas City Chiefs. T rich Man.

1540
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: I love Tony Richards. I mean, it's some guys. Max.

1541
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this guy who played

1542
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: and I don't think he gets to respect his Corey

1543
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: slushinger See name you nobody talks about. He has the

1544
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: hardest head. I'm playing kickoff return, he's playing kickoff team.

1545
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: Corey points at me on kickoff. He's running down the field.

1546
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: He points at me coming down. I'm like, oh god,

1547
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean what that kickoff? Yeah, it's

1548
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: old sprint. You gotta wait for him. You gotta wait.

1549
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: And he when he points me out, I'm like, you know,

1550
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, and you can't cut, you can't cut. I'm like, okay,

1551
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: let's go. And we just hit boom and boom. We

1552
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: both were dizzy and it was like and he looked,

1553
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: all right, now, look let's go. My neck was hurting,

1554
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: but he that was so. I love Corey Slushinger Man

1555
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: played block for Barry Sanders Detroit Lions. Corey good old,

1556
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 1: good old country boy.

1557
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 5: So won a national championship with Nebraska corn Husker.

1558
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: Baby. I love love Corey.

1559
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 2: So.

1560
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 1: Uh, there's a lot of guys that I'll be remissed.

1561
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,759
Speaker 1: You know, I'm probably missing some guys that guys throughout

1562
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 1: me in there too, James Devlyn, I got to throw yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1563
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 2: We We took short yardage and goal line like to

1564
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,560
Speaker 2: heart like they used to, like Scarnekio and all and

1565
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 2: in the in the line like I remember, because you know,

1566
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 2: we'd always be in the install meetings and stuff.

1567
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 1: And they they fucking took that ship to heart. They

1568
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: wanted to get to boring the field. They loved it.

1569
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 2: You know, we carried we carried a fullback my whole career.

1570
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 2: It's a huge part of our team.

1571
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: You know.

1572
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 2: Now you said you talk with Moose, are you guys

1573
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 2: do you have a fullback text chain?

1574
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 3: Is there?

1575
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: Like?

1576
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 1: No, we don't have a right right, No, we just

1577
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: like we have the phone every now and we chat,

1578
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: chop it up. Mike. I talked to last week all Start,

1579
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 1: and I go out to his golf tournament every year

1580
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 1: and the guys get together and you know Sam, I

1581
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 1: go fight Sam, Sam Gash, play golf and stuff with

1582
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: him and just guys just talk. Larry Senters, you know,

1583
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: talk to Larry lc Man. Shoot the guy called a

1584
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: hundred passes as a fullback. Yeah, I mean he was.

1585
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: He was pretty amazing. It's insane. It's right a hundred

1586
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: balls so I think with that home close to one

1587
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: thousand yards too, So that's pretty that's that's pretty good

1588
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: for coming out of the back through and moving around.

1589
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: So it was just it's those guys are they mean

1590
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 1: a lot? And uh, I love the fullback position. It's

1591
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: unfor fortunately that it's you know, it's a dying breed

1592
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 1: and it's only I think the league only cares like

1593
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 1: four or five in the league. But hopefully it'll come back.

1594
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 1: And because I think it was a position that that

1595
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: should be respected. It's position. And I'm glad that hardball

1596
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: and is gonna the hardball boys are making it more

1597
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: prominent again. And you know what cal Houschteck, what he

1598
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 1: does for the Niners, Juice is a great and he's

1599
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: a great guy, great person.

1600
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 3: Utility guy.

1601
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you stat you know, versatility, versatility, can run routes,

1602
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 2: gets open and dude, the dude is just he's a

1603
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 2: good man.

1604
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 3: Love that guy.

1605
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 5: Let me throw some love on Larry Sands Center's right

1606
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 5: quick nineteen ninety five, he had one hundred and one

1607
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 5: perceptions for nine hundred and sixty two yards, two touchdowns,

1608
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 5: twelve hundred and sixteen total yards, and then nineteen ninety

1609
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 5: six he had ninety nine receptions for seven hundred and

1610
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 5: sixty six yards but seven touchdowns.

1611
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: Little Larry Man Larry else was the man. Man, Larry

1612
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: was the man. That's what you gotta do. You gotta

1613
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 1: make fullbacks grading and we got to the promotion. Let's

1614
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: get let's get one of these guys in the hall.

1615
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 2: We got it, We got it. You gotta be a fullback.

1616
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 2: And you're exactly you know you need to be in

1617
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 2: the hall. We got to get somebody.

1618
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 5: Do you guys not like in all of our research,

1619
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 5: it generally says Jim Brown is considered a full back.

1620
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 5: Do you guys not claim him? Or is it complicated?

1621
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 1: It's complicated because you know, like Frank o'harris, they say

1622
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: he was a fullbacker and tail back. But you know,

1623
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 1: so that's why like Moose has said, I should be in.

1624
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: I tell Moose you should be in. Mike has said

1625
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: I should be. I mean, Sam Gash, you you asked

1626
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: those guys, they'll it should be. They'll tell a huge

1627
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: part of it. It's the story of the game, right

1628
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: and it was a huge part. Like you said in

1629
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties and earlier and still I mean the

1630
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 1: teams that are winning a girl. Yeah yeah.

1631
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 2: So what's the relationship between the fullback and the running back.

1632
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 2: It's it's great dynamics. I mean, every every tailback that

1633
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 2: I was did a block for Ladainy. You know, it

1634
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 2: was privileged and honored that he chose me to induct

1635
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 2: him into the Hall of Fame. So I was very

1636
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 2: unbelievable position.

1637
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's dude, he could have you know, took

1638
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 1: Drew Brees and all these different other guys that are married,

1639
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, that were worthy of it. And you know,

1640
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 1: Eddie George we you know still talk. You know, guys

1641
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: have a great relationship with and you just you're there

1642
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: for him. You want to make sure you protect them,

1643
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: you want to make sure Hey, look this is what

1644
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 1: I'm thinking. Go watch film together. I think the fullback

1645
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 1: in tailback relationship is is unbelievable. Now when when you.

1646
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 2: You're with some legendary running backs. Oh yeah, and they

1647
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 2: had some legendary seasons, any legendary gifts.

1648
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: You know what I just told. I mean, Eddie bought

1649
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: all the linemen ATVs and you know, and I was like,

1650
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 1: I said Eddie. And the year after I was gone

1651
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: one there and said where's my ut a TV? It's

1652
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: all over? So I messed with and gave my hard time.

1653
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: So Eltie, I mean, Eddie, I'm still waiting for the

1654
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: a TV. No, hey know. But he took dinner and

1655
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: bought me a bunch of stuff and watches and gifts

1656
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:54,679
Speaker 1: and stuff.

1657
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, they they do. They take care of they do.

1658
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 2: They take care of their guys who take care of him.

1659
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 2: Now you used to do powers bosses, did you wham

1660
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 2: it all?

1661
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1662
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 3: Well, can you explain the difference of each of the

1663
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 3: the things that each of the assignments you had?

1664
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, would say, like we had preventions, so you're a.

1665
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 3: Wham is.

1666
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: Usually when the three technique, the guy over whoever positioned

1667
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: the big motherfucker in the middle in the middle, and the.

1668
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 2: Guard flashes him like I'm blocking, and he slips him

1669
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 2: and lets the go to the second level, goes to

1670
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 2: the second level up to the linebacker, and now the

1671
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 2: big guy in the middle comes through and he thinks

1672
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 2: he's got a wide open and I'm right there at

1673
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 2: the ear hold him.

1674
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: And get him.

1675
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 2: So that wham is you against tackle? Yes, bam, bam,

1676
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 2: use it.

1677
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: Bam. Is either when I can come, I can bland

1678
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 1: out like the X or the Z and they can

1679
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: motion me in. And that's kind of when the crack.

1680
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: I did that to Dwight Feeni. That's kind of how

1681
01:20:58,600 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: we did the crack.

1682
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 2: And when you're getting like toss outside line outside linebacker

1683
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 2: or the d N and that's yeah, and we called

1684
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 2: usually like ninety or seventy crack or you know, toss

1685
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 2: cracks okay, gator tng okay, and we've come down and

1686
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 2: hit that defensive end, Dwight Freeneye.

1687
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 1: I got him, had him. I had him the year

1688
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: they went thirteen and and we're the only team to

1689
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: beat him, I think thirteen thirteen three. Yeah, you got

1690
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: to pull it out and I was getting freeny.

1691
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 3: So what's boss? Boss means?

1692
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: A boss is when the line when you pitch the

1693
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 1: ball back on safe back on strong safety yep, so boss,

1694
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: excuse it. You have the guard tackle pulling around. He's

1695
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 1: kind of your garden tackle. They're pulling around, cleaning up

1696
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 1: the linebackers turn in and it's usually boss back on

1697
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: safety to Z or the X. When you're going he's

1698
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: coming down blocking and cracking, and the usually opens up

1699
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: the safety and the full back. So Boss, I love

1700
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: boss because they're a little small yeah, Boss, like the boss.

1701
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 1: I knew they were going to try to cut me

1702
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 1: and if they stayed up on their feet, they had

1703
01:21:58,680 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: no chance. Shot.

1704
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 3: It's jo power.

1705
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,719
Speaker 1: Power is that's when the thirty and sixty power, forty

1706
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 1: sixty power, whatever it is, you know, sixty or seventy power.

1707
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: That's when you have a down block. The fullback is

1708
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 1: running the track, he's going where the tackle was. The

1709
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 1: tight end he's blocking. He's blocking down. The USY to

1710
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 1: guard is pulling so and then power. I'm kicking out

1711
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 1: the end or whoever the end man is on the

1712
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: line of scripping linebacker, defensive end. It could be an

1713
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: edge guy that you're just your power and you're going boom.

1714
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 1: That's where it's power because you got two guys and power.

1715
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 1: They're blocking down. It's a pull and full back at

1716
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 1: the point of attack.

1717
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 2: What's another one. I love Iso, Iso. That's you in

1718
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 2: the middle, me in the middle.

1719
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:50,719
Speaker 1: Linebacker. Iso was my bread and butter because the guards

1720
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 1: fans like he's showing pass and boom. The whole YUSY

1721
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: opens up. Linebacker takes a step back and he realizes

1722
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 1: it's it's lead and he's got to come make decision.

1723
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 1: Love lead love power lead lod ice io. Yeah, maall,

1724
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 1: And so that is that all of them?

1725
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what you had that or you you

1726
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 2: know you had that, and that's what you gotta you young,

1727
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 2: young fullbacks, there's six right, six plays that you have

1728
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 2: to just not give a funk on about your body.

1729
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all. That's what fullback is.

1730
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 2: That's why you say it's about to quit right because

1731
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 2: you you know the sixth plays right right, and then

1732
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 2: we had Hey, you ain't going out, You ain't gonna

1733
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 2: get his right. You gotta earn the right exactly, and

1734
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 2: you'll get rewarded every now and then you do. You

1735
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 2: do your job like we and then you have you know,

1736
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 2: like Bob, Bob is back on backer, so we that's

1737
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 2: when a weak side play where it's like me balking

1738
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 2: the wheelbacker the guy in the bubble. So guards covered,

1739
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 2: you know, guards covered, you're inside, guard uncovered, you're going

1740
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 2: outside because the guard, if he's uncovered, guard can go

1741
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 2: up to the backers.

1742
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: That means you got to go off the outside backer.

1743
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 2: So we gotta get so when we're cutting all this up,

1744
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 2: we'll have an example of each of your explanation, okay,

1745
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 2: with a film cut up of it. It'll be fun. Yeah,

1746
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what you like. We'll cut

1747
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 2: all this ship. You know, we will cut in and

1748
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 2: spice it. But like we'll see if we can get

1749
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 2: all the bam, boss bob. Okay, it'll be It'll be fun.

1750
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: That'll be that.

1751
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 5: Remember license the footage?

1752
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:24,560
Speaker 1: I know, can we not do that yet? Don't we

1753
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 1: still do it? Not yet?

1754
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 5: I got a question for you. So we've talked about

1755
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 5: all the different running backs that you've blocked for now

1756
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 5: do you have to change or adapt how you operate? Like,

1757
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 5: because Mike also has a very different running style from

1758
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 5: Ladanian Thompson. Does do they want different things out of you?

1759
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 5: Or is your job pretty much the same and you just.

1760
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 2: Go for it? No?

1761
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 1: I think when sometimes you know, like LT is like

1762
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 1: all right, cool, he's patient, he's guys, boom boom. You

1763
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 1: want to just you want to make sure that you're

1764
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: going at a good speed, be square and let him

1765
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: choose where he wants to go. Corey Dlon, he gonna

1766
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: run up your head. You gotta be. If you don't,

1767
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 1: he gonna hit you in the back. So you better

1768
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: frigg and go and make a create a hole. You

1769
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: want to make sure you're doing him and Eddie, Eddie, Eddie.

1770
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 1: You know, he's a little longer, so it's hard when

1771
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: he gets going. He wants that forward lean Eddie George,

1772
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 1: So you're just gonna go. But yeah, there's different there's

1773
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 1: different little tweaks that you that you want to do

1774
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: a guy like you know Sprosy, you don't. He's back

1775
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 1: there moving, so you got to say, hey, Spros, let

1776
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 1: me step on his toes first, meaning that I want

1777
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: to get close enough to him before you do it.

1778
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: You know, a running back job is to set the

1779
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: block up exactly if you're running the outside, if you're

1780
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: running the lead or running we're running like a bob downhill.

1781
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 1: He needs to hug that double team because the guard

1782
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: is is you know, the guard is there acing or

1783
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: trade blocking up or I mean acing up hip to hip,

1784
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 1: hip to.

1785
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 3: Hip, and they're gonna go up to the next guy.

1786
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 2: Yes, And they can only do that if the running

1787
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 2: back sets it up, because if the running back goes here,

1788
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 2: why then he's gonna come.

1789
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 3: In, is gonna get it, So he's to be patient and.

1790
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,560
Speaker 2: Run off the ass of that guy press it and

1791
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 2: then it'll naturally happen. And then you read off of that.

1792
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 2: So it could you could go slip in there, or

1793
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 2: if he hugs them and wraps them, then you just

1794
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 2: go right.

1795
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 1: You can go back door. But if he comes off

1796
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 1: right away, then linebackers said, man, that linebacker he fired

1797
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 1: is done. He made he made the tackle in the

1798
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 1: backfield is because the guard didn't hug it long enough

1799
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 1: and he just lets him shoot, shoot the gap or

1800
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 1: he gambles. So as long as he does that, that

1801
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 1: linebacker has to stay home. So that's what That's one

1802
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 1: of the things that you read just watching the game.

1803
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 5: And that just develops over the more stuff you guys

1804
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 5: communicate on the sideline, you to develop that.

1805
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 1: And you watch other tape doing it.

1806
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:45,520
Speaker 2: And also situations right like, what what's the situation?

1807
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 1: Is this a third?

1808
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:48,759
Speaker 3: You know this is a third, inches, fourth and inches.

1809
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 2: There's like certain points where they know the vulnerables part

1810
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 2: of part of the defense where they have to win.

1811
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 2: For the play to work, they have to be at

1812
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 2: a yard in the end zone. For you to wick

1813
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 2: for this to win, it becomes inertia.

1814
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 1: Yep.

1815
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 5: Was there a running back from the history of the

1816
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 5: NFL that you wish you could have blocked for?

1817
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, I really really really wish it's

1818
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 1: a brilliant or not the emmins. I mean Barry Sanders

1819
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: at times you just said, man, because he really didn't

1820
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: like a fullback at times. Yeah, so just to see

1821
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 1: what to change him. Yeah you want to change that?

1822
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,680
Speaker 1: Could change Barry baby, Let me change Berry the bear.

1823
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: You would have ran behind me, I said, you would

1824
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 1: have stayed in there. I mean there are some backs man,

1825
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 1: that you just looked at over the years that you say,

1826
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: now today's game. I oughta loved Derrick Henry. Yeah, yeah,

1827
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 1: I mean because he likes to be fun. Would be

1828
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: to see that just getting you into him. Let's go

1829
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:49,759
Speaker 1: the Niners with Christian because they do those stretch. Niners

1830
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 1: make you cover every blade of grass because they got

1831
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 1: that stretch play. So when you're running out there, that

1832
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: linebacker's moving sideways. I would have loved to be able

1833
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 1: to get those guys on skates, strong arm them and

1834
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 1: just they're gonna go fine, so they can't cut back. So,

1835
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 1: and Christian's that guy who presses the hole. He would,

1836
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 1: he'd make you look good. McCaffrey runs a lot like

1837
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 1: LT in some sense far as when they the running

1838
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 1: the way they press the hole.

1839
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 2: So that pressing is like, that's that's like the main

1840
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 2: thing for a running back. That's that's what differentiates a

1841
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 2: college running back to a pro running back. In college,

1842
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 2: a running back can just hit the hole and break tackles.

1843
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 2: You can't do that in the league. You have to

1844
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 2: set up and be patient with your with your line.

1845
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 2: There's a line to every run, and there's a way

1846
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 2: that a track they call it. You got to hit

1847
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 2: the fucking track. Run the track, the track, and the

1848
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,599
Speaker 2: track like so, a lot of these young running backs

1849
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 2: they'll cut before the block is ignited and then so

1850
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 2: it's an early cut because it looks big and it

1851
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 2: looks like it's there, but that's it's it's just a

1852
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 2: mirage because this guy's gonna float over the top.

1853
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 1: Right.

1854
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 2: So guys like Christian McCaffrey and LT, who's all pressed,

1855
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 2: they press it, they'll damn near come right off your

1856
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 2: heel and then full speed put their foot in the

1857
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 2: ground and then go that and and that's the hardest

1858
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 2: because once the linebacker's waiting, linebacker's waiting, oh shit, he's gone.

1859
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 1: He's gone.

1860
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 2: And that's that's what the great running backs do. But

1861
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 2: it's it's like one of those things where you know,

1862
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 2: you have guys over here, you have another block over

1863
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 2: here on the with the you know, the receiver whatever,

1864
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 2: there's another matchup. But he's got to feel that and

1865
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 2: like press that and then you know it. You know,

1866
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 2: that's like the number one thing it is the running back.

1867
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:35,719
Speaker 1: It is no question.

1868
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 3: We'll be right back after this quick break.

1869
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:40,600
Speaker 5: Let's actually get into the.

1870
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 1: Ok yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what's it?

1871
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 5: Real quick? So back in time November you digitals.

1872
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 2: Back in time, we always go around, we go over

1873
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 2: pop culture, around when the game took place.

1874
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 3: This game took place.

1875
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 2: November one, nineteen ninety eight. Number one movie Vampires.

1876
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 5: Never not even worth John Carpenter are not even worth it?

1877
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 5: The first by Monica, not even worth it, water Boy

1878
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 5: pretty much, the Broncos. You're pretty much him offensive water Boy.

1879
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, now that's neck roll game, right, Bobby Baby,

1880
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 5: super Bow Champions, the Broncos, Charl Davis won. You know,

1881
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:24,719
Speaker 5: Tim v. Tennessee won That's champions at Rocky Williams. There's

1882
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 5: a guy he won Heisman this year. Peyton's rookie season.

1883
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: He was he was like he was special.

1884
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 2: It was crazy watching him in that big run, that

1885
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:38,600
Speaker 2: fast he could fly and like he never he was

1886
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 2: like some Bo Jackson type.

1887
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 1: No Saints were in the place for him. He was.

1888
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 2: He was.

1889
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 1: He's amazing, Okay, real quick.

1890
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 5: On this twenty nineteen ninety eight Minnesota Vikings team, this

1891
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,640
Speaker 5: is probably the best season of Vikings history. They went

1892
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 5: fifteen to one, led by Dennis S. Green Rip. They

1893
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:55,799
Speaker 5: had a lead leaguing offense with a top ten defense.

1894
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 5: This was also Randy Moss's rookie season and he had

1895
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 5: seventeen touchdowns, one offensive Rookie of the Year, Hell of

1896
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,679
Speaker 5: the Season. Hall of Famous from this team, Random McDaniel,

1897
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 5: Chris Carter, Randy Moss, John Randall, Gary Zimmerman, also some

1898
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 5: other dudes worth noting Randall, Cunningham, Robert Smith, Tony Sarahgusa,

1899
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 5: and Brad Johnson playoffs.

1900
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 6: Brian Billi was also the OC of this team. Who

1901
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 6: Brian Billick? Brian Billy Yep, what happened to I was?

1902
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 6: I still don't remember what happened? Why did they get

1903
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 6: rid of Randall Cunningham?

1904
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 1: This guy? Then he came back out of retire. Yeah,

1905
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: he came back out of retire. He was doing work.

1906
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:32,679
Speaker 1: John went fifteen to one, and didn't they get Dante

1907
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 1: Colebember like the next year?

1908
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 5: I think a couple of years later, Brad Johnson was

1909
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 5: in the mix here.

1910
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 1: I think he got hurt.

1911
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 2: But I mean this is old yeah, Randa old Randall,

1912
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 2: but he was he lit it up man. They went

1913
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 2: fifteen to one. This is when they were on the

1914
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 2: Madden cover.

1915
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:47,679
Speaker 5: Right, Well, this is the second time you guys played

1916
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 5: the Vikings this season. You played in Randy Moss's first game.

1917
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 5: The first game of this year was against the Vikings too.

1918
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 5: Back when the Bucks and Vikings were the same division.

1919
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 2: Did we beat them the minute we lost him there?

1920
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 2: I think we must, right, because they were on the

1921
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:03,519
Speaker 2: field one yeah. Yeah, Now what do you remember about

1922
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 2: this Fightings team?

1923
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 1: I just remember that Tony Dungee was saying, got to

1924
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 1: keep the ball away from him offensive. Tony Dungee saying,

1925
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 1: you can't keep the ball away from their offense. So

1926
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: Dungee was like, hey, it's gonna be a physical game. Guys,

1927
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 1: ain't they They haven't been here to Tampa. This weather's

1928
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 1: going to play a factor in it. It's gonna be hot,

1929
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna be humid. You make them, you make them

1930
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 1: tap out. And the mentality was, okay, if we pound

1931
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 1: these guys, and you saw it. It was that that offense,

1932
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:36,679
Speaker 1: that high explosive offense. They wanted to be on the field,

1933
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 1: chomping at the bitch. But do you if you keep

1934
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: them on the side, they become frustrated. We were able

1935
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 1: to keep them on the field. They were they were

1936
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 1: shoot the guys.

1937
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 4: That they had.

1938
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 3: I was Randy though.

1939
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 2: When you're watching them in like, oh, preparing for this game,

1940
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 2: he was there like a Tony pay cut up of

1941
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 2: this kid.

1942
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,720
Speaker 1: Everybody just watching you like, oh, you're gonna get Randy come.

1943
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 1: It's he was that type of guy, like dude Ron.

1944
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 1: But we had a good corner, you know, Rondez, We

1945
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 1: had some good corner, really good yeah, and it's like

1946
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 1: but it was like so they wanted the challenge, but

1947
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 1: Randy was Randy was Randy, and you know when he

1948
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: when he was even he was leaving, and the dude

1949
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 1: just had some incredible skills. I mean the way he

1950
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 1: could just go up and high point the ball, the

1951
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 1: way he could do Randy Moss was I liked Robert Smith.

1952
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 2: Robert Smith running back baby at a stant wards. Robert

1953
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 2: he was a pack ten guy. Was he an Arizona State?

1954
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 2: Maybe Robert smith man twenty six? I just remember because

1955
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 2: I used to play with this team on Matten. Yeah,

1956
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 2: Rob He's always had the little jitters can run. Robert Smith, he.

1957
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: Was packed in.

1958
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 5: He's another guy. He retired too early.

1959
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Robert Smith. He shut it down. He said

1960
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 1: I got enough. I'm good. Robert Smith was good.

1961
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 5: Mala cunning him the next season, threw nine picks in

1962
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:49,599
Speaker 5: the first six games.

1963
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 1: He got.

1964
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 5: This Bucks team.

1965
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 1: So Johnny Randall, baby.

1966
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's also you know, Matt Burkers on this team

1967
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 5: offensive line for the Vikings. So now the nineteen ninety

1968
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 5: eight Tampa Bay Bucks, coming off a ten and six season,

1969
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 5: these Bucks won eight and eight. Third year of the

1970
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 5: Tony Dungee era, this team had an incredible defense, ranked

1971
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 5: second in the league, anchored by the likes of John Lynch,

1972
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 5: Warren Sapp, Derek Brooks, and Ronde Barber. Then over on

1973
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 5: the offense side of the ball was stacked backfield with

1974
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 5: as we mentioned, worked on Mike Alslott and of course lorenzo'neil.

1975
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 5: It was also the first year of the Boks called

1976
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 5: Raymond James Stadium their home. And just some Hall of

1977
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 5: famous from this team Derek Brooks, Warren Sapped, Tony Dungee,

1978
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 5: John Lynch, Ronde Barber, and then just more dudes worth

1979
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 5: talking about. You know, Trent dil for your college teammate.

1980
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 5: I was also on this team, Monte Kiffin defensive coordinator.

1981
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin's dad.

1982
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1983
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 2: Now, I still think it's one of the craziest stats

1984
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 2: that Derek Brooks never missed a play.

1985
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 1: That is crazy. Honestly, it's almost unbelievable. It's it is

1986
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 1: unbelieving that like that.

1987
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 2: That is the craziest thing to me, that era, that position,

1988
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:56,759
Speaker 2: just in any era any that to him and London Fletcher,

1989
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 2: I think they never missed a game.

1990
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: It's crazy, crazy to see what they were able to do.

1991
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 1: I mean deep Brooks and he and he could run.

1992
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:08,120
Speaker 1: He was a guy that's that's a racehorse. Ran sideline

1993
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 1: the sideline. You're gonna get injured and you're running that fast,

1994
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:13,520
Speaker 1: that quick, hamstrings and Derek Brooks.

1995
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 2: Just you gotta be you gotta be lucky. Warren Sap

1996
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,719
Speaker 2: special special. That was when it was the most dominant.

1997
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 2: It was the Aaron Donald Before Aaron Donald.

1998
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 1: Warren Sap was the Corey Dillon on defense, like just

1999
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 1: naturally going weight room, just mess around. Warren Sap didn't

2000
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:32,720
Speaker 1: really work, but he just man, he had boom. Yeah,

2001
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 1: he's Aaron Donald, so athletic. Just I mean when he

2002
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:38,720
Speaker 1: started dancing and getting crazy, he's one of them guys.

2003
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 1: You just like let him do his thing. He you're

2004
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 1: no Warren Sap tried.

2005
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 2: That was my belichick. I didn't get as well as

2006
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:50,760
Speaker 2: you did. But now, how was this team? Could you

2007
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 2: feel that something was brewing because this team went on? Yeah,

2008
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 2: you knew it was so close. He should have made

2009
01:35:56,720 --> 01:36:00,719
Speaker 2: the playoffs. There's a game when here have made the playoffs.

2010
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 2: We lose at Jacksonville, and I lost the game. And

2011
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,679
Speaker 2: where you just know, I'm not saying one play don't

2012
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:09,720
Speaker 2: lose the game, but the one play lost the game.

2013
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 2: We're playing Jacksonville, it's pouring rain, we're lining up, we're

2014
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 2: running power. We're absolutely killing him. Joel Spiney played with

2015
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 2: me with the Saints. He's on Jacksonville. I'm bringing his

2016
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 2: lunch to him. We're running power. We're just killing him.

2017
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 1: I'm talking, I'm fired up the sidelines. Guys on the

2018
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 1: sideline watching and I I said, run fire, and I'm

2019
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 1: standing in the game. I tell that because I, you know,

2020
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 1: usually to take me out. Put Mike back at full

2021
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 1: back and run fire, you know, fire lightning full back

2022
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 1: in the flat because we're running power. So I go

2023
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 1: at Spingey and I'm like, I'm gonna kill him and

2024
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 1: I go like that. He turns his shoulder, he thinking

2025
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm taking it because I've been just wearing him out.

2026
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 1: He's like, ah, I slip out in the flat. It

2027
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 1: opens up like the tier, Like I'm just opened up

2028
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 1: at the Red Sea. It's just nothing but sideline. I'm like,

2029
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 1: he's back there and it's raining. Man, dude, for why

2030
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 1: you throw the ball that hard? You know how I

2031
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 1: had hands like Roberto Duran's hands, So he threw the

2032
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 1: he put a little too much fire on it. But

2033
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 1: I should have caught the ball. So if I catch

2034
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 1: this ball, you got to catch it for the full back. Yeah,

2035
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 1: you pretty much. You know how it is. I got

2036
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:20,679
Speaker 1: my neck rollo. If I catch this pass, it's six

2037
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 1: and we win the game. We're already up by I

2038
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 1: think we're up by two or three. I catch this,

2039
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm probably running forty yards for a touchdown. Instead, it's

2040
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 1: fourth down. We have to punt the ball. They up winning.

2041
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 1: I know that that game. So we would have made

2042
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:37,400
Speaker 1: the playoffs that year. Yeah, man, yeah, so I knew

2043
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 1: something was brewing and it would have gotten the playoffs.

2044
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 1: We were pretty hot. We might have went on the road.

2045
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:44,759
Speaker 1: That's the way we were playing. This team was special.

2046
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 1: This team was special.

2047
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:50,479
Speaker 3: Run the football and you got a historic defense, right,

2048
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

2049
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 2: Right?

2050
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 3: You just can't mess it up at the quarterback.

2051
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 1: It was me that power. I should have caught that pass.

2052
01:37:58,120 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 1: K five.

2053
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 2: You can't go eleven for twenty two game five on

2054
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:03,640
Speaker 2: a win. Yeah, it's like a good stat day.

2055
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you know about this game. You know what

2056
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 1: I mean? This game, this game, you know this game

2057
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:08,080
Speaker 1: we would just.

2058
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm just saying position right, right right, I

2059
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 2: mean look, cunt, But.

2060
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 5: Real quick, before we move on from the actual Bucks

2061
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 5: jersey talk, real quick second, Creamsicle Bucks jerseys are powder

2062
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:21,839
Speaker 5: blue Chargers.

2063
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's tough. Powder blue. Yeah, that's the right powder blue,

2064
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 1: that powder blue special. You know that powder blue special. Baby.

2065
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:34,640
Speaker 2: I remember they got a way from it when I

2066
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 2: was a kid, right right, and then they went back

2067
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 2: to it.

2068
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 1: At powder blue was tough, baby, So.

2069
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 5: Real quick on this game lead up. The big thing

2070
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 5: to take away here is that the Vikings beat the

2071
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 5: Bucks the first game of the season. This is the

2072
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 5: you know, the second game of the season in the game,

2073
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 5: well was to score the first game thirty one seven, okay,

2074
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 5: And the Vikings were undefeated and going into this game

2075
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 5: and they were averaging thirty four points.

2076
01:38:56,439 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you guys were only averaging I think twelve,

2077
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:03,799
Speaker 2: you guys were fourteen points because Tony had a pregame

2078
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 2: interview and said, okay, you know, we just I think

2079
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 2: he even said, we got to keep him off the field,

2080
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:10,599
Speaker 2: keep them off the field.

2081
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 1: That was all week mindset. But you prepare, you know, yeah,

2082
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 1: the heat and mindset. You tell guys, hey, this is

2083
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 1: what it's going to be. If you guys want to

2084
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 1: win this game, that's what we got to do.

2085
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:25,200
Speaker 3: Now, do you remember scouting the first game?

2086
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:27,720
Speaker 2: Because anytime you played in the division, you had one

2087
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 2: game in you guys like you guys got blown out

2088
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 2: the first time, right, so you knew that, like you

2089
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 2: had to fix up. Do you remember anything that you

2090
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 2: specifically remember from the first game that you used in

2091
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 2: the second game that helped you guys.

2092
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the biggest thing was like, okay, guys,

2093
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:48,639
Speaker 1: do your assignment. We can't score. Dungee was pretty clear, guys,

2094
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 1: if you try to make this a shootout, we're not

2095
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 1: winning this game. We're going to have the horses. But

2096
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 1: if we can keep the ball, so wait, that means

2097
01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 1: everyone attention to dees, do your job, stay on your man, play,

2098
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 1: snap the whistle. Our defense is going hold up. They

2099
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 1: gonna hold up. But if we go out here offensively

2100
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: and just control the ball, keep the ball, that is

2101
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 1: the only chance. And that's the only chance. So scouting them,

2102
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 1: they had some big plays, and they had some big

2103
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,719
Speaker 1: plays in this game. But when you when you limit

2104
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 1: the big plays, that's a Dungee say said, we can't

2105
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:21,760
Speaker 1: stop them the whole game, but we can limit them.

2106
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:25,400
Speaker 1: If you give them a lot of chances, we can't

2107
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:27,200
Speaker 1: be Yeah, but if you live and so that's what

2108
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 1: if you look at the ball, control what we had

2109
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:31,719
Speaker 1: and this time. You know that's huge.

2110
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's back and forth from the jump. Tampa

2111
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:36,839
Speaker 5: Bay struck first with a work done touchdown.

2112
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:39,280
Speaker 1: You guys came out hot. Yeah, that's a crazy start.

2113
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:42,439
Speaker 5: This was Tampa's first first half touchdown since December nineteen

2114
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 5: ninety six.

2115
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah we were yeah.

2116
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they talked about it on the broadcast, not scoring. Yeah,

2117
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 2: we were surf fast. Yeah, I gotta start surf. That's

2118
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 2: all coaches say that, right, gotta start fast.

2119
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 5: Traded touchdowns back and forth field to.

2120
01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:00,600
Speaker 3: The second quarter and you're fuckingh.

2121
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 5: Tied seventeen seventeen.

2122
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 3: Down fourteen point hole.

2123
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 2: You don't want to be here, man, Look I'm just

2124
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 2: telling you you don't want to be down fourteen of

2125
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:18,120
Speaker 2: these assholes going into the fourth quarter? Got it sounds

2126
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 2: like yes, because that's the ship he was, Yes.

2127
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 1: Yes, come on, man, get it together.

2128
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 5: Early in the second half, Minnesota took the first lead

2129
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:28,559
Speaker 5: of the game on a Jake Reed touchdown. He would

2130
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:31,000
Speaker 5: have too. This game, twenty four to seventeen was no.

2131
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 1: Reed was bad too. I mean they had so many

2132
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 1: but we just kept pounding. I know, we didn't give

2133
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 1: it away.

2134
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 4: Guys.

2135
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 2: Well, you guys, you guys held Randy pretty decently until

2136
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 2: like the second half or the first, like end of

2137
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 2: the first or right at the beginning of half to

2138
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:49,360
Speaker 2: our right before halftime, he had a big catch catch

2139
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 2: on the right side.

2140
01:41:51,080 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember, I was.

2141
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 5: I was only two receptions for fifty two yards.

2142
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:57,559
Speaker 3: There are other receivers eight though, you know what I mean,

2143
01:41:57,680 --> 01:41:58,439
Speaker 3: like they s.

2144
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 1: For two. It was a hell of a game.

2145
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 3: It was a hell of a game. Was Chris Carter hurt?

2146
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 5: He only had a couple of receptions? Yeah, But fast

2147
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:09,200
Speaker 5: forward to late in the fourth quarter, Tampa Bay would

2148
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 5: punch in a six yard all Stot touchdown with Lorenzo

2149
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 5: Neil clearing the way and that would end up being

2150
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:14,639
Speaker 5: the game winner.

2151
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,760
Speaker 1: Four We'll play was that think? It was power? It

2152
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:22,720
Speaker 1: ran outside? Didn't we let me? This was it was

2153
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 1: just it was just it was my game that I

2154
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 1: loved because it was just it was like, you know,

2155
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:30,280
Speaker 1: we're just smashed my watching it. You're playing? That was

2156
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:33,160
Speaker 1: that was the rams of the nineties, right, Yeah, you

2157
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 1: know this team could score they were averaging what thirty

2158
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 1: a game. It was like you slow this team down.

2159
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:43,720
Speaker 2: This was a historic game and this was like a

2160
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:48,680
Speaker 2: cool This was a cool foreshadowing of old school football.

2161
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 3: Playing the news evolution of what the game will become.

2162
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 1: Wow, I like that well said it was. It was, hey,

2163
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 1: this is a battle the grit.

2164
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 2: You were just like a bowling ball in your stance,

2165
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:02,639
Speaker 2: like how much weight was in your hand. It changed

2166
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:05,479
Speaker 2: for each play. Yeah, it was Io was it?

2167
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 1: You were just alum. But but they don't know what

2168
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking at. You gotta realize I'm just I'm just

2169
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 1: down there, like all right, I don't know. Come get me,

2170
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:16,920
Speaker 1: come see and you'll see. I don't make many moves.

2171
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 1: It's just like no, it's downhill. It's downhill. And guy,

2172
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 1: we just Rud. I remember the linebacker Rud. I was

2173
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:27,640
Speaker 1: punishing Rud fifty fifty seven. Yes, you were. He was

2174
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 1: kind of skinny, was skinny?

2175
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah he was.

2176
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't want it. He didn't want it.

2177
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 2: Some of those that's some of those longer guys and

2178
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:36,760
Speaker 2: try to absorb your middle guys.

2179
01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:39,160
Speaker 1: What he would try to stip as fifty eight was

2180
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 1: he was there. He was their leader. Oh yeah, Randall M. Daniel,

2181
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 1: I think he was there there. Yeah, fifty eight linebacker.

2182
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:45,599
Speaker 1: They had.

2183
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:50,080
Speaker 2: Their defense wasn't bad. They had some ballers. They because

2184
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 2: this was a fucking this was a slug fight. This

2185
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 2: was fifteen to one. They just if they would have

2186
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 2: went to the super.

2187
01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:58,800
Speaker 5: Bowl, it would have been played from the super Bowl too, huh.

2188
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 5: One play away from the super Bowl. One great stat

2189
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:04,439
Speaker 5: from this game, Mike Alstott ran for a career high

2190
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:06,840
Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty eight yards worked one gained one

2191
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:09,240
Speaker 5: hundred and fifteen yards, giving the Bucks a pair of

2192
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 5: one hundred yard runners in a game for the same

2193
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:13,679
Speaker 5: game for the first time in franchise history.

2194
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:14,280
Speaker 4: Wow.

2195
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 1: That I don't know. It was the biggest game.

2196
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:20,639
Speaker 5: Team record, two hundred and forty two rushing yards.

2197
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 1: That was quite a game. That was I just yeah,

2198
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:26,639
Speaker 1: I love I love that game. That game was special.

2199
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 3: What was the legacy of that game for you? I

2200
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 3: think just you know, beating a team.

2201
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 1: When you look back afterwards years later, you're like, wow,

2202
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:38,639
Speaker 1: that was a special game in Tampa. I was part

2203
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 1: of blocking for two guys that I love that's still

2204
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:45,080
Speaker 1: great friends with. I think that was that was that

2205
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:47,360
Speaker 1: was the legacy. But I think when you looked at

2206
01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 1: it doing that moment, it's a team that wiped you

2207
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:52,519
Speaker 1: over the man, a team that thought they were better

2208
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:55,519
Speaker 1: than you. A team that you lost to thirty one

2209
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:58,759
Speaker 1: to seven. They kicked your butt and you you're redemption.

2210
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:01,599
Speaker 1: It was a redemption game. So this was a game,

2211
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:04,080
Speaker 1: a statement game for us. So that's what that's what

2212
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 1: I loved about that particular game.

2213
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:08,960
Speaker 5: And they're one loss, this is huge and they would

2214
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 5: go on to lose NFC Championship Game twenty to seventeen

2215
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:14,680
Speaker 5: to Atlanta. Anderson missed a thirty nine yard field goal

2216
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 5: that would have.

2217
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:17,160
Speaker 3: Iced it with two and he was lights out to

2218
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 3: this point.

2219
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 5: He's a Hall Famer.

2220
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, never missed that. Never.

2221
01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:23,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's one of the only like placekickers in the

2222
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame.

2223
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:26,160
Speaker 1: And me and Morton played together with the Saints. Yeah,

2224
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 1: Morten Ander he the one, one bar good guy, too

2225
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 1: little Pisa he was. Was he a Britain, I mean

2226
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 1: I think he's Danish. Danish. Yeah, he's so cool.

2227
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 5: And then Tampa Bay would end up going to a

2228
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 5: Super Bowl in two thousand and two, winning their first

2229
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 5: Randy Moss would go to play fourteen seasons for a

2230
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:46,719
Speaker 5: career total of nine hundred and eighty two receptions, fifteen

2231
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 5: ninety two yards and one hundred and fifty six touchdowns,

2232
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 5: and Lorenzo would go on to play ten more seasons

2233
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 5: in the NFL.

2234
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's crazy the Tampa team. What I loved

2235
01:45:57,479 --> 01:46:00,599
Speaker 1: about it too is I thought that that year they

2236
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:04,200
Speaker 1: the year we lost to the Rams. I was. I

2237
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:06,679
Speaker 1: talked Warren, I talked to Mike before the game. I said,

2238
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 1: come on, y'all, next, let's go. I'm gonna see all

2239
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 1: there because in Brooks I said, I can't wait. I'm

2240
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:14,479
Speaker 1: gonna smack. So it was that crap talking because year before,

2241
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm in Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay loses to

2242
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:21,120
Speaker 1: the Rams. They should have beat the Rams. So I

2243
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 1: think we're gonna play Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl.

2244
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:26,679
Speaker 1: So what was the school the Rams? And uh didn't

2245
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:28,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't the last play of the game that the

2246
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 1: Rams beat them. Remember they're playing Tampa You were great school,

2247
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 1: but they were This is like, yes, but you remember

2248
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 1: I think it was a fade route they beat the

2249
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Tampa was I think times no time on the clock.

2250
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:43,320
Speaker 5: Give her a rough year.

2251
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:45,920
Speaker 1: Yeahs a year too. I went to the Super Bowl

2252
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:50,680
Speaker 1: with the site. Yeah, NFC Championship. It was I think

2253
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 1: like four seconds left. I'm pulling for Tampa because it's

2254
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 1: gonna be Tampa and Titans in the Super Bowl.

2255
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:57,760
Speaker 5: They lost eleven to six, seven to six.

2256
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 1: What's the last play of the game? Put up the

2257
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 1: receiver made It's just eleven six and Tampa's winning.

2258
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 2: But that I mean that that that's a Saint breaking

2259
01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:13,200
Speaker 2: offense that they held the freaking ten points or whatever.

2260
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 5: Eleven They made it to Saint Louis's thirty five incomplete

2261
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:18,679
Speaker 5: plass to Burt Manuel and then.

2262
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 3: What a year for the Rams.

2263
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:23,680
Speaker 1: Man, it almost they almost lost like every game. Oh

2264
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 1: they played.

2265
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 5: They got it down to Saint Louis's twenty second and

2266
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:29,799
Speaker 5: Sean King was sacked by Grant Winstrom for minus thirteen yards,

2267
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 5: put him back to the thirty five. And then they

2268
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:32,439
Speaker 5: went four and out.

2269
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 1: But the last the Rams scored the touchdown.

2270
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:39,759
Speaker 5: There's yeah, Ricky Prol thirty yard touchdowns with four minutes

2271
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:40,720
Speaker 5: and fifty seconds left.

2272
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 1: Ricky pol Yeah, it was was it like third or four?

2273
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:47,200
Speaker 2: I remember that it was yeah, f side, it was

2274
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 2: third scene.

2275
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:50,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was third and four on Tampa Bay thirty.

2276
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 1: That was the game.

2277
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 2: So Ricky Prol, Yeah he was tough guy too, yeap.

2278
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:58,280
Speaker 2: This was a fun game to go down and watch,

2279
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:01,960
Speaker 2: like just to like do the research. And rewatched the game.

2280
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:05,559
Speaker 2: We watched all your highlights. This was such a fun

2281
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:10,080
Speaker 2: time of football, right, really you really miss it, really.

2282
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:12,679
Speaker 5: Do nostalgic for the era that we grew up watching

2283
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:15,639
Speaker 5: the smash mouth take the game. With four minutes left,

2284
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:17,560
Speaker 5: you put the ball, you run four minute offense. The

2285
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:19,680
Speaker 5: game's over, not like, oh, every team's gonna get five

2286
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:21,559
Speaker 5: more shots out I with three minutes left in the game.

2287
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 1: That's what it was.

2288
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:22,360
Speaker 2: That.

2289
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the end of the game. We went four minutes,

2290
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:28,760
Speaker 1: I think and say this four minute went in four

2291
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:31,479
Speaker 1: minute and we just came out and touchdown. Yeah we

2292
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 1: broke there, didn't Rudd thrower's helmet.

2293
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:37,519
Speaker 2: No, all start broke like a forty yarder to like

2294
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:39,800
Speaker 2: the six and then you guys ran it out.

2295
01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:41,800
Speaker 1: No, you guys just need it. Okay, you need one

2296
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 1: first down. But I thought Rudd the linebacker got mad

2297
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:47,920
Speaker 1: and he got a fifteen yeard penalty through us. Maybe

2298
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,200
Speaker 1: that too, but yeah, no, yeah, but we did. Yeah,

2299
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:52,240
Speaker 1: we just we just that. Yeah, that was a game

2300
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 1: we just it was about the will. We said, let's

2301
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:59,559
Speaker 1: just let's break their will. Four minutes they needed to stop.

2302
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:02,600
Speaker 1: They're all offensive, way to go, and we refused. We

2303
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 1: refuse to give those guys the ball bag. Let's grade it.

2304
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:09,760
Speaker 1: Let's grade it now. These are some names that we

2305
01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:12,640
Speaker 1: came up with with this game. If you have a

2306
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 1: name off the top of your dome, let us know.

2307
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 1: We came up with the lone Loss, the Perfection spoiler,

2308
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 1: low Man wins, game Revenge, and Raymond James, The Bucks

2309
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:31,479
Speaker 1: Run Wild, The Bucks Run Wild, the two forty two game. Ooh,

2310
01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go no no, no. I like either low

2311
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 1: Man wins or the Revenge in Raymond James just kind

2312
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:42,880
Speaker 1: of rhymes. The two forty two is good too, though,

2313
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:44,360
Speaker 1: whatever you want, you pick it.

2314
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:46,599
Speaker 3: You know what win, low Man win.

2315
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:49,040
Speaker 5: And for our audio listeners, low is spelled l O

2316
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:50,799
Speaker 5: in honor of our guest.

2317
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:54,680
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, baby, and he lot Man wins. There we go,

2318
01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:57,800
Speaker 2: score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time?

2319
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:03,240
Speaker 2: Let's score Lorenzo Stakes of this week nine, nineteen ninety

2320
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 2: nine Divisional game zero to ten Decimal's okay, what are

2321
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:09,559
Speaker 2: the stakes of this game?

2322
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 1: MEI? Yeah, oh, zero to ten? Ten? Baby? This is

2323
01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:18,800
Speaker 1: what they went fifteen and one. Now the stakes season,

2324
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:23,800
Speaker 1: regular season. You know what, because of what they end

2325
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:28,800
Speaker 1: up doing that team fifteen and one, and because it

2326
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:31,840
Speaker 1: was what happened the revenge game, because we lost so

2327
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:36,559
Speaker 1: bad that I would say this was a six, seven,

2328
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:39,439
Speaker 1: six or seven. That's that's two point five, yeah, six

2329
01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:40,760
Speaker 1: point five, six point five.

2330
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:42,840
Speaker 2: Anytime you have a division game, it's over, it's a

2331
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:45,400
Speaker 2: six at least at least a six exactly, So I.

2332
01:50:45,439 --> 01:50:46,280
Speaker 1: Go six zero six.

2333
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,160
Speaker 5: I'm gonna shout out real quick. We've got a fan

2334
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:50,680
Speaker 5: in the comments often. His name is Greg Conton. He

2335
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:53,240
Speaker 5: says that we should you should start saying decimal's encouraged

2336
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:56,599
Speaker 5: as opposed to deciminal's. Okay, okay, So decimal points occurred.

2337
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:58,519
Speaker 5: So Jewels had a six. Jack who's not here with

2338
01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 5: us today, he had a six point four. I had

2339
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,120
Speaker 5: six point two. So we're all right in there.

2340
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're all in there.

2341
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:06,040
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I was right there, Yeah, all right, Low

2342
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:09,720
Speaker 2: what about the star power of this game? Decimals encouraged

2343
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:10,599
Speaker 2: zero to ten?

2344
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:14,920
Speaker 1: You talked about I think over ten guys went on

2345
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:16,479
Speaker 1: to be in the Hall of Fame. Are you talking

2346
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:19,800
Speaker 1: about today to still? Are you saying it's for that

2347
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 1: game that however, you interpret the star power. Okay, for

2348
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:27,240
Speaker 1: if you say the star power of that game today,

2349
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can't be in nine eight

2350
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:35,040
Speaker 1: and a half to nine without a doubt star power.

2351
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 1: You got too many guys. Eight and a half. I agree.

2352
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:42,479
Speaker 2: I mean you score, you had a legendary, legendary defense.

2353
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:46,360
Speaker 2: You have legendary offensive guys. I mean you're one of

2354
01:51:46,760 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 2: the greatest fullbacks of all time.

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01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:51,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the eight to two.

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01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:53,120
Speaker 5: Jack had a seven point nine.

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01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, coach to the Hall of Fame.

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01:51:57,840 --> 01:52:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. The gameplay of this grinder of a game zero plays.

2359
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:05,680
Speaker 3: What do you mean game way? Did he go back

2360
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:06,160
Speaker 3: and forth?

2361
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:08,360
Speaker 1: Was it very was it? Was it one side?

2362
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 4: Oh?

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01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? Entertainment for entertainment level when you're at that particular

2364
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 1: time Raymond James Stadium, the team that scored it was

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01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 1: going back and forth. Yo, you'd be anybody that says

2366
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 1: this is for the entertainment value less than a seven.

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01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:25,120
Speaker 1: I gotta look at you, guys. I'm starting with you, Jules.

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01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 5: I'm trying to remember what I scored at.

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01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:32,360
Speaker 2: I'm going gameplay. I like defensive battles, I like twelve personnel.

2370
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:36,240
Speaker 2: I like thirteen personnel. I like big, big guys on

2371
01:52:36,360 --> 01:52:37,559
Speaker 2: big guys, So I'm gonna go like.

2372
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:41,360
Speaker 5: Nate Jack had a seven point four e to seven

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01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:41,880
Speaker 5: point six.

2374
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:45,280
Speaker 1: Tell me what you didn't like about the game, would you?

2375
01:52:45,479 --> 01:52:48,000
Speaker 5: We've done We've done some insane games like Miracle on

2376
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:50,360
Speaker 5: Ice in twenty to three and all like, we've done

2377
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:52,360
Speaker 5: some stuff. So I just try to This is still

2378
01:52:52,360 --> 01:52:55,040
Speaker 5: a regular season game, so I try to like dial

2379
01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:57,640
Speaker 5: it back a little bit, okay, And generally guests come

2380
01:52:57,680 --> 01:52:59,880
Speaker 5: in and don't score as much with integrity as you are,

2381
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:02,720
Speaker 5: So usually I just pull back the curtain. I usually

2382
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:04,680
Speaker 5: go a little bit lower than I actually think, just

2383
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:07,479
Speaker 5: to give a little bit more integrity for the whole show.

2384
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:08,800
Speaker 5: And you'll see when we're done.

2385
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:11,960
Speaker 1: Though, No, no, because I just wanted to, but I

2386
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:14,000
Speaker 1: didn't think it was it because I played.

2387
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 2: Some people will say, like remember when Kansas City and

2388
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:20,120
Speaker 2: La Rams played.

2389
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:22,760
Speaker 1: That fifty five fifty five to fifty, right, people like

2390
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 1: that gameplay was so insane. It depends on why you

2391
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:28,040
Speaker 1: like no defense.

2392
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:30,760
Speaker 2: You're like, dude, no defense, and that's why this one

2393
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:34,640
Speaker 2: had enough defense to hold This high powered offense has

2394
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 2: been scoring thirty five take them to twenty seven.

2395
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:38,639
Speaker 1: So I thought that was yeah.

2396
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:41,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, you gotta be a real football had to understand.

2397
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:44,519
Speaker 5: It's a solid game too, like three point game like great,

2398
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:46,439
Speaker 5: but it was.

2399
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:48,479
Speaker 1: It was really good if it was one sidings.

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01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:50,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's not a I would say, there's not a

2401
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:53,439
Speaker 5: lot of like barroom conversation. But oh remember this week

2402
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:56,280
Speaker 5: the thing happened here. So that's like on the spectrum

2403
01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:58,400
Speaker 5: that we're scoring it on, but like a seventy five

2404
01:53:58,439 --> 01:54:01,120
Speaker 5: for like a regular season game, that's the same.

2405
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then low man wins.

2406
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:03,880
Speaker 5: What's the score?

2407
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:07,320
Speaker 2: The name of the game. Lowman's wins. We we grade

2408
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:10,200
Speaker 2: the name of the game, decimals and no man wins.

2409
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:12,479
Speaker 1: Because I mean, I'm going with the seven. I'm going

2410
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:12,960
Speaker 1: with the seven.

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01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:14,920
Speaker 3: I gotta go seven, eight, I gotta go eight.

2412
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:17,160
Speaker 1: But the full back, you know, I'm not going I'm

2413
01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:18,640
Speaker 1: not gonna give min I'm not gonna tweet you know

2414
01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:18,960
Speaker 1: what I mean?

2415
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:19,760
Speaker 2: You let me.

2416
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:21,720
Speaker 5: Oh we go, there we go, there we go, there

2417
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:23,559
Speaker 5: we go. Okay, So Jack went with a five. Oh

2418
01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:26,719
Speaker 5: I went a four to one just because shout out, Okay,

2419
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:27,720
Speaker 5: that's right.

2420
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:28,200
Speaker 1: Where is it?

2421
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:31,160
Speaker 5: It's a seven point seven?

2422
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:31,800
Speaker 1: Okay?

2423
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:33,160
Speaker 5: So that puts us from here.

2424
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:35,600
Speaker 3: That puts us all the game.

2425
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:38,840
Speaker 5: We're on the second page. Okay, that puts us at

2426
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:43,320
Speaker 5: our new seventy second game. It's just behind the two

2427
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 5: thousand and six NFC Wildcard game Cowboys versus Seahawks. That's

2428
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 5: the Romo Snap game. And then just ahead of twenty

2429
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:51,760
Speaker 5: one thirty one, the nineteen ninety five game one twenty

2430
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:55,080
Speaker 5: two Angels Orioles. That's Cal Ripken broke the iron Man stream.

2431
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:57,200
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's great. Yeah, so that's great one. That's

2432
01:54:57,240 --> 01:54:59,600
Speaker 5: a good spot for for regular season NFL game, no question.

2433
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm maybe you know, next time I come, I might

2434
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:08,160
Speaker 1: throw that Titans bill, you know, miracle that high. Like

2435
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:09,840
Speaker 1: this is where we're at for our whole scores.

2436
01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 2: You can see we're a little bit Patriots focused, but

2437
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:13,360
Speaker 2: we've had Patriots.

2438
01:55:13,880 --> 01:55:18,240
Speaker 1: Yeah no, but you got no, no, no, I think

2439
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:20,600
Speaker 1: that that Atlanta game, your game, that that game should

2440
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:23,840
Speaker 1: be up there. It should be the the Malcolm Butler game.

2441
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:27,840
Speaker 1: That's a fucking crazy game, no question, no question. I agree.

2442
01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:31,160
Speaker 5: We did the longest yard game with Kurt Warner early

2443
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 5: in our four way to this Where is that?

2444
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,560
Speaker 1: Where is that? So when you think about okay, okay,

2445
01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:39,800
Speaker 1: so comparison coats, when you guys talking about regular seat

2446
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:41,920
Speaker 1: star power, where did that game?

2447
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:42,160
Speaker 2: Why?

2448
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:45,240
Speaker 1: Why would you not rate it higher? Because Tampa didn't

2449
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:48,520
Speaker 1: have enough offensive star power. When you think about when

2450
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:51,920
Speaker 1: you with the age, that's pretty high. For me, I

2451
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:54,680
Speaker 1: think it was six, right. I mean, here's you have

2452
01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:57,120
Speaker 1: to you got two receivers at a Hall of Fame

2453
01:55:57,200 --> 01:55:59,640
Speaker 1: on the other team at a seven eight. And here's why.

2454
01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:03,040
Speaker 5: For me in football, quarterback is a big part of it.

2455
01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:09,160
Speaker 5: And Trent dilferd Trent Dilfer, but like when we're doing

2456
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:12,520
Speaker 5: games like Peyton Manny versus Tom Brady, you know, and

2457
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 5: seven eight is a good score for star power.

2458
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:16,840
Speaker 1: And if you want consistency, you got to have a

2459
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:20,160
Speaker 1: good quarterback and you can win with team like I

2460
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:25,600
Speaker 1: think the Philadelphia Jalen Hurts doesn't have to win the game. No,

2461
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:28,240
Speaker 1: just don't go But if you go out and play,

2462
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:30,760
Speaker 1: he's better than Jimmy g But you know what I'm saying,

2463
01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:32,720
Speaker 1: he can make the plays, but he doesn't have to.

2464
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:34,840
Speaker 1: I think that that team he.

2465
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:37,200
Speaker 2: Should take advantage of this, take advantage of it because

2466
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:40,320
Speaker 2: then you can learn on how to win the game. Yes, yes,

2467
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:43,800
Speaker 2: this could train you exactly. And he's not playing. He's

2468
01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:45,800
Speaker 2: not a bad quarterback. Yeah, like Tom didn't go out

2469
01:56:45,800 --> 01:56:47,880
Speaker 2: and win the first couple, no, you know what I mean.

2470
01:56:48,040 --> 01:56:49,480
Speaker 2: It was in that same kind of thing what they're

2471
01:56:49,480 --> 01:56:52,640
Speaker 2: saying with Jalen. But then he he didn't stay the same.

2472
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:54,560
Speaker 2: He didn't, right, you know what I mean? He learned

2473
01:56:54,600 --> 01:56:56,640
Speaker 2: from those times and then the little opportunities you have

2474
01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:58,480
Speaker 2: to make, the plays you make, and then you keep

2475
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 2: on making them and then it just and then your

2476
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:04,240
Speaker 2: team gets shaped into different things eventually because of salary

2477
01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:06,080
Speaker 2: cap and you can't pay all the guys.

2478
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:09,400
Speaker 3: So like that's the rest. That's that's how this shit is.

2479
01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:09,960
Speaker 2: It is.

2480
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:12,360
Speaker 5: We have Super Bowl thirty four of the Titans rams

2481
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:16,080
Speaker 5: super Bowl as our fifth fifteenth overall with eight point six.

2482
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:17,320
Speaker 1: Okay that's a bit.

2483
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:19,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you got to come back and do the

2484
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:22,360
Speaker 5: Music City Miracle because ye would be incredible awesome.

2485
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:24,800
Speaker 1: I love this, man, I love this kind of It's

2486
01:57:24,840 --> 01:57:26,040
Speaker 1: a great little setup. I like it.

2487
01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:29,000
Speaker 3: We miss anything on this game, no, no, no, man,

2488
01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:29,440
Speaker 3: We're good.

2489
01:57:29,720 --> 01:57:30,080
Speaker 1: Everyone.

2490
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:33,520
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2491
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2492
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2495
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2496
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2497
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Speaker 2: little lax perspective, Carl Banks, one of the best linebackers

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Speaker 2: of all time, Phil Sims Sims.

2501
01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:17,200
Speaker 3: I worked with Phil. I love Phil Phil.

2502
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Speaker 1: Does he ever say communist? And do you ever talk

2503
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Speaker 1: to him anytime?

2504
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:21,640
Speaker 3: Like he drops?

2505
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:25,480
Speaker 5: Uh?

2506
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Speaker 2: And all these guys are delivering a bunch of great

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Speaker 2: analysis on all their leagues across the platform. Go check

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Speaker 2: it out Believe Network's uh YouTube channel. And Lorenzo thanks

2509
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:37,720
Speaker 2: for me.

2510
01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:39,800
Speaker 5: Before we wrap it up, just because this is such

2511
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 5: a fucking Nashball football. Can you put your hand up,

2512
01:58:42,040 --> 01:58:45,240
Speaker 5: Jewels real quick? Look at that fucking pinky. So, can

2513
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:50,160
Speaker 5: you put your hands up real quick? That's fucking football

2514
01:58:50,240 --> 01:58:50,600
Speaker 5: right there.

2515
01:58:50,760 --> 01:58:53,680
Speaker 2: Hey, that's hey, Joolsie, I can get I hate that

2516
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:58,360
Speaker 2: you messed up the plate where it doesn't it dislocates.

2517
01:58:57,840 --> 01:59:00,480
Speaker 1: Just locate. I had that on this one. O. That

2518
01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:02,560
Speaker 1: thing is beautiful. You did you get the surgeon?

2519
01:59:03,160 --> 01:59:03,680
Speaker 3: I tried.

2520
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:06,040
Speaker 1: See, that's what That's why I won't do it. They

2521
01:59:06,200 --> 01:59:08,760
Speaker 1: tried to and it didn't work and it makes it stiff.

2522
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:10,920
Speaker 1: And that's what they're like, because I can still move it.

2523
01:59:11,160 --> 01:59:13,000
Speaker 1: I can so I can get it into a fish.

2524
01:59:13,160 --> 01:59:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2525
01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:15,840
Speaker 1: Look that I mean I had that hold right, and

2526
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:17,800
Speaker 1: if I did this one, it'll be I don't want it.

2527
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't want it stuck down. No, I'd rather have

2528
01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:23,920
Speaker 1: it up. If that's hart. I know, you rather have

2529
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:25,240
Speaker 1: it up. And then I would do that.

2530
01:59:25,320 --> 01:59:28,360
Speaker 2: I always do that tape around because my knuckle this thing,

2531
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:32,240
Speaker 2: my knuckle would pop out meantime I'd hit. So I'd

2532
01:59:32,280 --> 01:59:34,400
Speaker 2: have to do a tape thing every day to keep

2533
01:59:34,440 --> 01:59:37,800
Speaker 2: it like placed in because but it wouldn't hurt out,

2534
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:41,120
Speaker 2: you know when you you calcified all that ship right,

2535
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:43,320
Speaker 2: but like it would be annoying in the middle of

2536
01:59:43,320 --> 01:59:44,440
Speaker 2: the play you're popping.

2537
01:59:44,160 --> 01:59:46,640
Speaker 1: Popping it or buddy tape it as the buddy tape.

2538
01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:50,080
Speaker 1: Buddy was my favorite. If people can go to uh,

2539
01:59:50,920 --> 01:59:54,280
Speaker 1: actually go to Bolts in Brazil. Bolts in Brazil, Bolts

2540
01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:57,240
Speaker 1: in Brazil dot Com. I'm going to Brazil. Yeah, come on,

2541
01:59:57,320 --> 02:00:00,880
Speaker 1: win me bunk. We're going to first week they're playing

2542
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,000
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. I know you'll be pulling for the

2543
02:00:03,080 --> 02:00:07,000
Speaker 1: Chargers playing against the Chiefs in Brazil and the games

2544
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:08,600
Speaker 1: on Friday. It's the first week of the season.

2545
02:00:08,680 --> 02:00:08,880
Speaker 2: I know.

2546
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:13,360
Speaker 1: So let's go, baby, let's go. Jooles me some pepper teine. Baby,

2547
02:00:13,640 --> 02:00:15,920
Speaker 1: come on, let's gold. What's up?

2548
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:19,040
Speaker 2: I would love today. The thing is, I got we

2549
02:00:19,160 --> 02:00:21,160
Speaker 2: gotta see because I work with the Fox shows.

2550
02:00:21,200 --> 02:00:21,960
Speaker 1: Got You, Gotch?

2551
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:24,640
Speaker 2: So we were in studio on Sundays, gotch and I've

2552
02:00:24,680 --> 02:00:28,320
Speaker 2: been We've been trying to get down to Brazil game.

2553
02:00:28,360 --> 02:00:30,280
Speaker 5: Tell me you want to go to that one Ireland game?

2554
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:32,800
Speaker 1: Wait and we will be back Saturday. But you think

2555
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:35,440
Speaker 1: about it, we could fly back Saturday games on Friday.

2556
02:00:36,040 --> 02:00:37,560
Speaker 3: We'll figure it out. Let's figure this out.

2557
02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:39,680
Speaker 1: Juice me out. Now, we'll take over Brazil. It is

2558
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:40,480
Speaker 1: built for Brazil.

2559
02:00:41,040 --> 02:00:44,640
Speaker 2: Bolts in Brazil, Bolts, Bolts in Brazil, for the Chargers,

2560
02:00:44,720 --> 02:00:47,640
Speaker 2: Bolts and so you can go to Bolts in Brazil.

2561
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:50,120
Speaker 1: You can go there. You can get your tickets, big

2562
02:00:50,200 --> 02:00:54,480
Speaker 1: tailgate all everything's inclusive. Fun, it's gonna be absolute legendary.

2563
02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:57,560
Speaker 1: Bolts in Brazil dot Com go to Bolts in Brazil

2564
02:00:57,960 --> 02:01:01,160
Speaker 1: dot Com and hollow at you boylot. We can get crazy,

2565
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:03,440
Speaker 1: crazy crazy, they'll get crazy.

2566
02:01:03,880 --> 02:01:06,480
Speaker 5: I just know over here, if Jewels goes to the basis,

2567
02:01:06,520 --> 02:01:07,880
Speaker 5: we're probably not seeing him for a couple of weeks.

2568
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:14,080
Speaker 3: Man, Joels, we're gonna go pray for people over there.

2569
02:01:14,120 --> 02:01:19,840
Speaker 1: He's good. We're good, Jeels were hallelujah. Oh yeah, we're good.

2570
02:01:20,680 --> 02:01:22,120
Speaker 3: Lorenzo, thank you so much.

2571
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:23,520
Speaker 1: Thank you, You're the best brother.

2572
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:24,200
Speaker 4: Ah.

2573
02:01:25,000 --> 02:01:28,600
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this quick break. Man.

2574
02:01:28,840 --> 02:01:30,800
Speaker 3: That was a fun episode and we get to talk

2575
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:32,000
Speaker 3: to another five hours.

2576
02:01:32,240 --> 02:01:34,200
Speaker 5: I love that era of football.

2577
02:01:35,200 --> 02:01:35,400
Speaker 1: Yet.

2578
02:01:35,640 --> 02:01:36,720
Speaker 3: You see how his energy was.

2579
02:01:36,760 --> 02:01:39,520
Speaker 1: The full back guy, always positive, always like but we'll

2580
02:01:39,640 --> 02:01:41,480
Speaker 1: like eat nails.

2581
02:01:41,640 --> 02:01:44,600
Speaker 5: Dude, and you like he FaceTime, Mike Alsta, you guys

2582
02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:47,040
Speaker 5: talked after him. Yeah, we gotta get him on the show.

2583
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:48,560
Speaker 5: That was incredible.

2584
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:51,160
Speaker 2: I mean he I don't know if I'm going to

2585
02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:53,760
Speaker 2: say this, but he he left his family in the

2586
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:59,160
Speaker 2: car for the whole interview. It's two hour interview. I

2587
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:02,000
Speaker 2: go but they're going to Disneyland, now, I know, but

2588
02:02:02,320 --> 02:02:04,680
Speaker 2: that's that's only a fullback would do that. It'll toughen

2589
02:02:04,760 --> 02:02:08,720
Speaker 2: them up. Are going to they need to earn going

2590
02:02:08,720 --> 02:02:09,360
Speaker 2: to Disneyland.

2591
02:02:09,480 --> 02:02:10,640
Speaker 5: Did you see if there was a crack?

2592
02:02:11,840 --> 02:02:14,200
Speaker 1: I didn't get to see. I just heard, or I

2593
02:02:14,240 --> 02:02:16,920
Speaker 1: would have said, like, dude, bring the fam we always

2594
02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:17,440
Speaker 1: have people in.

2595
02:02:17,560 --> 02:02:19,320
Speaker 3: I think we gave him the option. I think he

2596
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:20,240
Speaker 3: wanted to have him.

2597
02:02:20,160 --> 02:02:24,520
Speaker 5: In the bar, stuffing him up, smash mouth, parenting.

2598
02:02:24,680 --> 02:02:27,720
Speaker 3: Love man wins baby, I love it. Well, it's time.

2599
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:28,200
Speaker 2: Huh.

2600
02:02:28,320 --> 02:02:29,240
Speaker 1: No, he was. He was great.

2601
02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:31,640
Speaker 5: I love that era he did. He picked a great game. Also,

2602
02:02:31,680 --> 02:02:33,320
Speaker 5: I didn't even realize he was a part. I should

2603
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:34,880
Speaker 5: have known that he was a part of the miracle

2604
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:38,840
Speaker 5: in Miami Music City Miracle.

2605
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:43,160
Speaker 2: Music City Miracle had such recency bias that we think

2606
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:45,440
Speaker 2: about that game when the other game was way better,

2607
02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:50,040
Speaker 2: which one Music City Miracle is like a legendary real game.

2608
02:02:50,280 --> 02:02:54,240
Speaker 2: We're tainted with Miracle Miami because of the loss, naturally

2609
02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:55,480
Speaker 2: subconsciously for me.

2610
02:02:55,600 --> 02:02:59,400
Speaker 5: And there's also Minneapolis Miracle. There's so many Miracles, Miracle

2611
02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:00,760
Speaker 5: and Motors City Miracle too.

2612
02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:02,040
Speaker 1: I think the.

2613
02:03:04,840 --> 02:03:07,360
Speaker 5: Cory Schlessinger. I looked him up were when we were

2614
02:03:07,440 --> 02:03:12,680
Speaker 5: like when I wasn't paying attention. No, that's Larry Centers Schlessinger,

2615
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:13,160
Speaker 5: just like.

2616
02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:16,080
Speaker 1: Nineties Lions.

2617
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:19,720
Speaker 5: I think he's got two neck rolls on, just absolute

2618
02:03:19,800 --> 02:03:22,440
Speaker 5: fucking stead you know, he looks like do you ever

2619
02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:24,720
Speaker 5: watch the show? Did you ever watch the show Playmakers

2620
02:03:24,760 --> 02:03:25,440
Speaker 5: on ESPN?

2621
02:03:25,800 --> 02:03:28,080
Speaker 3: I didn't, but I saw I used to.

2622
02:03:28,360 --> 02:03:33,840
Speaker 2: There was like during my career, No, two thousand and nine,

2623
02:03:34,680 --> 02:03:36,800
Speaker 2: it really Playmakers maybe two thousand and five.

2624
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:40,920
Speaker 3: They're rerunning on ESPN when I saw it, remember watching.

2625
02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:43,240
Speaker 5: Should we reboot Playmakers? Two thousand and three?

2626
02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2627
02:03:44,920 --> 02:03:49,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, this guy right here, the lead of Playmakers.

2628
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:53,160
Speaker 2: I love how every San Diego Charger from the old

2629
02:03:53,200 --> 02:03:56,920
Speaker 2: San Diego Charger like comes at me like I'm a

2630
02:03:57,000 --> 02:04:01,920
Speaker 2: part of these old San Diego Charger Like Buddy I

2631
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:07,160
Speaker 2: was in seventh grade and Tony Hogates and Low we

2632
02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:12,320
Speaker 2: have been killing me about this this divisional round playoff.

2633
02:04:11,960 --> 02:04:14,120
Speaker 5: Game because you're mister Patriot, right, So all of their

2634
02:04:14,240 --> 02:04:17,080
Speaker 5: hatred towards Patriots, You're like the personification of it.

2635
02:04:17,480 --> 02:04:18,440
Speaker 1: So they just got to hate you.

2636
02:04:19,120 --> 02:04:19,800
Speaker 5: I understand it.

2637
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:22,760
Speaker 2: Whatever, you know what, we need to chill out and

2638
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:24,840
Speaker 2: it's time to get in the chills zone. It brought

2639
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:25,920
Speaker 2: to you my course, like.

2640
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:27,640
Speaker 5: I'm in the wrong computer hole. I'm want to show

2641
02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:28,480
Speaker 5: you something real quick.

2642
02:04:28,920 --> 02:04:29,320
Speaker 1: That's him.

2643
02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:31,840
Speaker 5: I don't know, it looks like it guy from Playmakers

2644
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:35,840
Speaker 5: versus Chorus Lessenger. Yeah, there you go, linebacker, full back.

2645
02:04:35,880 --> 02:04:38,080
Speaker 3: Look of the arms though difference.

2646
02:04:38,640 --> 02:04:40,560
Speaker 5: Well, you know when's an actor when's are real fucking man.

2647
02:04:40,720 --> 02:04:41,680
Speaker 3: That's what I'm telling you.

2648
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:46,960
Speaker 2: Show ponies versus race horses, Yeah, rhino versus pony. That's

2649
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:48,600
Speaker 2: just personal group. We had plenty personnel.

2650
02:04:49,320 --> 02:04:50,040
Speaker 5: Was that just like faster?

2651
02:04:50,480 --> 02:04:53,360
Speaker 2: No, it was the same kind of thing where you'd

2652
02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:56,960
Speaker 2: have like a hybrid running it'd be a three receiver.

2653
02:04:58,000 --> 02:05:01,000
Speaker 2: We were our pony was I went to why we

2654
02:05:01,120 --> 02:05:03,920
Speaker 2: took out a tight end, kept an f and a

2655
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:06,960
Speaker 2: running back in h so it was two receiver, it

2656
02:05:07,080 --> 02:05:12,600
Speaker 2: was two running back, three receiver. It's always some kind

2657
02:05:12,640 --> 02:05:14,440
Speaker 2: of smaller version of something the pony.

2658
02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:16,520
Speaker 5: I just thought you talked about in the show. But

2659
02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:20,520
Speaker 5: watching the highlights from that game and just seeing Lorenzo

2660
02:05:20,520 --> 02:05:23,960
Speaker 5: O'Neil line up in front of Mike Halstott and it's

2661
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:25,400
Speaker 5: just like, that's your fucking backfield.

2662
02:05:25,680 --> 02:05:27,480
Speaker 3: It's so funny how it's incredible.

2663
02:05:27,680 --> 02:05:30,480
Speaker 2: None, no, none of these guys probably feel like we

2664
02:05:30,680 --> 02:05:33,360
Speaker 2: felt after having two bad plays in a game.

2665
02:05:34,520 --> 02:05:36,520
Speaker 3: What do you mean you know how like he said

2666
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:38,160
Speaker 3: he was going over.

2667
02:05:39,560 --> 02:05:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know everyone sees that game winning block, but

2668
02:05:43,200 --> 02:05:45,200
Speaker 2: you know you're about to get your ass dreamed about

2669
02:05:45,200 --> 02:05:47,760
Speaker 2: the four plays or to the one two plays that

2670
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:50,640
Speaker 2: you messed up critically that no one really sees.

2671
02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:52,800
Speaker 1: M hmm. I wonder.

2672
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:55,760
Speaker 3: I wonder how that's dealt with now. It just seems

2673
02:05:55,800 --> 02:05:56,520
Speaker 3: like it's been different.

2674
02:05:56,520 --> 02:06:00,240
Speaker 2: Everyone's like so anti like accountability in the on the

2675
02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:04,160
Speaker 2: team thing now, Like I wonder where that balance is.

2676
02:06:05,200 --> 02:06:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go look at these camps. I'm gonna go

2677
02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:08,560
Speaker 1: check out some camps.

2678
02:06:09,240 --> 02:06:11,800
Speaker 2: Do you know which ones you do? The locals I

2679
02:06:11,920 --> 02:06:14,240
Speaker 2: want to do? I want to do they? I mean

2680
02:06:15,120 --> 02:06:17,320
Speaker 2: the Chargers are I think in Sandy I mean, are

2681
02:06:17,360 --> 02:06:19,600
Speaker 2: they in SANDEO They're camp?

2682
02:06:20,240 --> 02:06:21,880
Speaker 1: That's kind of tight. If they are, I think they are.

2683
02:06:22,360 --> 02:06:24,800
Speaker 3: I want to go to l A Chargers. I want

2684
02:06:24,840 --> 02:06:26,240
Speaker 3: to go to you gotta go to the Rams.

2685
02:06:26,520 --> 02:06:30,280
Speaker 2: I have a cool relationship with McVeigh And unless Snead

2686
02:06:30,440 --> 02:06:34,680
Speaker 2: and my guy left, Klee would become the o c

2687
02:06:34,840 --> 02:06:39,200
Speaker 2: A freaking I would love to go see Houston if

2688
02:06:39,240 --> 02:06:42,120
Speaker 2: I could. I want to see I get to go

2689
02:06:42,280 --> 02:06:45,720
Speaker 2: to Chicago for Fox and cover the preseason game.

2690
02:06:46,640 --> 02:06:47,000
Speaker 3: That'll be.

2691
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:50,240
Speaker 1: I gotta look that up.

2692
02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:53,360
Speaker 2: It'll be fun to get to. I want to go

2693
02:06:53,440 --> 02:06:55,160
Speaker 2: maybe a couple days early, see if they have joint

2694
02:06:55,200 --> 02:06:56,920
Speaker 2: practice and get to go watch those reps.

2695
02:06:57,080 --> 02:07:01,760
Speaker 5: Is it Bill's Dolphins or Chiefs. It's either Dolphins or Bills.

2696
02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:05,680
Speaker 5: I think it's Bills seventeen August seventeenth. Yeah, yeah, that's

2697
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:09,120
Speaker 5: the second game. Yeah, that's cool. If they're doing some

2698
02:07:09,200 --> 02:07:09,959
Speaker 5: joint practices.

2699
02:07:10,280 --> 02:07:13,120
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2700
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:16,800
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2701
02:07:16,920 --> 02:07:23,400
Speaker 2: corslight dot com, slash gwn and celebrate responsibly.

2702
02:07:23,560 --> 02:07:24,920
Speaker 3: Since football is almost.

2703
02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:28,040
Speaker 2: Back and the guys are back in camp, we're gonna

2704
02:07:28,080 --> 02:07:32,880
Speaker 2: break down training camp life. That's an NFL football player.

2705
02:07:33,160 --> 02:07:35,880
Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Did we do the cracks are Yeah?

2706
02:07:35,960 --> 02:07:38,560
Speaker 2: You missed the crack dog, I got the crack. Bills

2707
02:07:38,600 --> 02:07:40,760
Speaker 2: and Bears are doing joint practices.

2708
02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:42,120
Speaker 1: I know that'll be fun.

2709
02:07:42,280 --> 02:07:43,200
Speaker 3: I want to go see if I can.

2710
02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:47,480
Speaker 5: Josh Allen huh. You meet Josh Allen in passing. Yeah,

2711
02:07:49,640 --> 02:07:52,400
Speaker 5: I bet you and McDermot would get along. Wrestling guy,

2712
02:07:52,520 --> 02:07:55,280
Speaker 5: hard nosed guy who they're a head coach.

2713
02:07:55,560 --> 02:07:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah I know that, but me and him, Yeah, not

2714
02:07:57,920 --> 02:07:58,600
Speaker 2: a wrestling guy.

2715
02:07:59,160 --> 02:08:02,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, guy adjacent, your wrestling guy adjacent.

2716
02:08:02,240 --> 02:08:04,640
Speaker 2: How come every wrestling guy says that I should wrestle?

2717
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:08,400
Speaker 2: You play like a wrestler, Yeah, dude, I was like

2718
02:08:08,640 --> 02:08:10,120
Speaker 2: swift with the ball in my hands.

2719
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:11,800
Speaker 5: No, but like but no, no, no, not like that

2720
02:08:11,960 --> 02:08:15,680
Speaker 5: in terms of like toughness, fucking playing above your weight class,

2721
02:08:15,880 --> 02:08:18,760
Speaker 5: in terms of like hitting, you know, not taking note

2722
02:08:18,840 --> 02:08:22,200
Speaker 5: for an answer, that's more like Navy seal dog. Oh yeah,

2723
02:08:22,200 --> 02:08:23,000
Speaker 5: you're a Navy seal.

2724
02:08:23,200 --> 02:08:25,720
Speaker 1: I wish steal hairy Kraft Navy seal?

2725
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:29,360
Speaker 5: Is that mister Kraft's son?

2726
02:08:29,600 --> 02:08:32,560
Speaker 1: Wow, Jonathan, that's badass. That's fucking badass.

2727
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:37,520
Speaker 5: That training camp is in full force right now. So

2728
02:08:37,640 --> 02:08:39,280
Speaker 5: it's going, it's happening. We're cooking.

2729
02:08:39,560 --> 02:08:41,840
Speaker 3: I can feel my hamstrings at night. They're like, what's

2730
02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:43,640
Speaker 3: going on? You running right now?

2731
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:46,160
Speaker 5: You don't smell the grass here though, right? You don't

2732
02:08:46,160 --> 02:08:49,480
Speaker 5: get that like that, Like, dude, you get the grass.

2733
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:51,600
Speaker 2: Thing I do every morning when I go out and

2734
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:56,040
Speaker 2: collect my fifteen minutes a UV raise, gonna get there

2735
02:08:56,080 --> 02:08:58,320
Speaker 2: to get my melow tone clock right, I go and

2736
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:02,240
Speaker 2: I ground my feet on that little dewey grass in

2737
02:09:02,280 --> 02:09:06,440
Speaker 2: the backyard and we get due here. Bro, it's been

2738
02:09:06,600 --> 02:09:10,200
Speaker 2: chili here in La. M not chili like honestly perfect,

2739
02:09:10,280 --> 02:09:13,560
Speaker 2: but I love a howt chili in La is seventy

2740
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:15,520
Speaker 2: six And people come to La and they're like, it's

2741
02:09:15,560 --> 02:09:18,160
Speaker 2: so cold here because they think it's like a hundred always.

2742
02:09:18,280 --> 02:09:18,600
Speaker 4: It's not.

2743
02:09:18,720 --> 02:09:19,800
Speaker 3: It's seventy five and sunny.

2744
02:09:21,360 --> 02:09:23,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, But it's all about if you're where you live,

2745
02:09:23,800 --> 02:09:26,160
Speaker 5: if you're not in the sun and it's seventy five degrees,

2746
02:09:26,200 --> 02:09:28,040
Speaker 5: as cold as fuck. But if you're in the sun

2747
02:09:28,080 --> 02:09:29,520
Speaker 5: and it's sixty five degrees, you're hot.

2748
02:09:30,440 --> 02:09:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2749
02:09:31,000 --> 02:09:34,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay. Training camp questions, Uh, pull back the curtain

2750
02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:37,400
Speaker 5: behind what life like is in training camp? Now that's happening.

2751
02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:39,000
Speaker 5: I know it's probably a little bit different from when

2752
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:40,680
Speaker 5: you played to now, but let's talk about it anyway.

2753
02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:43,040
Speaker 5: Do you remember your first training camp?

2754
02:09:43,480 --> 02:09:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? What was it like?

2755
02:09:44,680 --> 02:09:46,640
Speaker 5: The first time, Like you walked in that building, it

2756
02:09:46,880 --> 02:09:48,360
Speaker 5: was like a beat for beat when you walked into

2757
02:09:48,360 --> 02:09:49,400
Speaker 5: the building for the first time.

2758
02:09:49,640 --> 02:09:55,200
Speaker 2: It's a mixed emotion, you're like, especially for a rookie.

2759
02:09:56,920 --> 02:09:59,600
Speaker 2: My situation, I was seventh round draft pick. Changing position

2760
02:10:00,080 --> 02:10:03,720
Speaker 2: isn't a different It's different for everyone, but I could

2761
02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:06,640
Speaker 2: I could probably say it's it's similar for everyone that,

2762
02:10:06,840 --> 02:10:13,280
Speaker 2: like I think there's a there's like a nervousness anxiety

2763
02:10:14,640 --> 02:10:18,440
Speaker 2: that's floating. Did I do enough work in the offseason?

2764
02:10:18,880 --> 02:10:21,440
Speaker 2: Am I in good enough shape? Am I going to

2765
02:10:21,480 --> 02:10:25,960
Speaker 2: be able to make the team? What's going Am I

2766
02:10:26,040 --> 02:10:28,440
Speaker 2: going to be able to fix the six things that

2767
02:10:28,560 --> 02:10:31,200
Speaker 2: I didn't do in mini camps the way I really

2768
02:10:31,240 --> 02:10:33,240
Speaker 2: wanted to that they talk to me about, like there's

2769
02:10:33,240 --> 02:10:35,840
Speaker 2: a lot of that going on in your head. And

2770
02:10:35,960 --> 02:10:40,360
Speaker 2: then for me as a first rookie camp, we still

2771
02:10:40,400 --> 02:10:46,280
Speaker 2: had double days, and I was anticipating that I was

2772
02:10:46,280 --> 02:10:48,360
Speaker 2: gonna be on like a lot of stuff. And I've

2773
02:10:48,440 --> 02:10:51,600
Speaker 2: never really ran a lot in practice, you know, so

2774
02:10:51,800 --> 02:10:56,120
Speaker 2: like I was a quarterback, you guys have to half

2775
02:10:56,200 --> 02:11:00,640
Speaker 2: the time you're like playing like goal line game goal throws,

2776
02:11:01,240 --> 02:11:03,600
Speaker 2: you know, all special teams are working their nuts off,

2777
02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:06,040
Speaker 2: or you're doing like quarterback stuff. But it was never

2778
02:11:06,240 --> 02:11:10,040
Speaker 2: like taxing. So I was like nervous for that, and

2779
02:11:10,080 --> 02:11:13,760
Speaker 2: then you also had your conditioning tests that you wanted

2780
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:15,320
Speaker 2: to go in and I always wanted to go in

2781
02:11:15,400 --> 02:11:18,120
Speaker 2: and turn heads, so I wanted to show them how

2782
02:11:18,240 --> 02:11:21,680
Speaker 2: easy it was. So you're anticipating that there's like a

2783
02:11:21,720 --> 02:11:23,880
Speaker 2: lot of and then there's like I remember, there's a

2784
02:11:23,920 --> 02:11:28,680
Speaker 2: lot of logistics, so many logistics schedules, and well, you

2785
02:11:28,760 --> 02:11:30,840
Speaker 2: got to go over the whole rule book or like

2786
02:11:30,920 --> 02:11:33,880
Speaker 2: in a bridge version meeting of the rules you go

2787
02:11:33,960 --> 02:11:36,400
Speaker 2: over every year when you when you get in, you

2788
02:11:36,520 --> 02:11:40,520
Speaker 2: take your physical, you do your conditioning test, and then

2789
02:11:40,560 --> 02:11:43,000
Speaker 2: there's a team meeting. I always depend if you came

2790
02:11:43,080 --> 02:11:45,600
Speaker 2: back early. If you're a quarterback, you came back you

2791
02:11:45,680 --> 02:11:47,800
Speaker 2: had to go to the early camp. Rookies early camp,

2792
02:11:47,960 --> 02:11:51,200
Speaker 2: injured's early camp, so you had to do three days

2793
02:11:51,240 --> 02:11:55,240
Speaker 2: before everyone else reports, and then you know, when you

2794
02:11:55,320 --> 02:11:59,880
Speaker 2: get there, you do your physical. It's kind of like

2795
02:11:59,880 --> 02:12:01,760
Speaker 2: the first day of school. Everyone's got like a fresh

2796
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:06,000
Speaker 2: fit on, everyone's got a sun tan, someone's got bleached hair. Yeah,

2797
02:12:06,120 --> 02:12:09,200
Speaker 2: someone's got something, you know, the new there's a new

2798
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:11,640
Speaker 2: car in the drive, you know, and the phone got

2799
02:12:11,680 --> 02:12:15,040
Speaker 2: paid yeah, and everyone got paid. Yeah, but free agent,

2800
02:12:15,160 --> 02:12:18,720
Speaker 2: new meat what new meat free agent, big free agent. Yeah,

2801
02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:20,800
Speaker 2: but you've seen that, you've seen we've all seen each

2802
02:12:20,840 --> 02:12:23,040
Speaker 2: other of the mini camps. In the mini camps. But

2803
02:12:23,160 --> 02:12:26,640
Speaker 2: this is you know, guys bring ship. You know, you

2804
02:12:26,720 --> 02:12:29,040
Speaker 2: see guys bring their system. Because we stayed at a hotel.

2805
02:12:29,480 --> 02:12:32,640
Speaker 2: Roommate or no roommate, rookie year, roommate. Okay, who's your roommate,

2806
02:12:32,720 --> 02:12:34,640
Speaker 2: rookie year, who's my rookie?

2807
02:12:34,760 --> 02:12:37,080
Speaker 3: I had a I had a.

2808
02:12:40,200 --> 02:12:42,160
Speaker 2: He was a guy that was like in his third year,

2809
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:43,880
Speaker 2: but he was bouncing around the league. He had a

2810
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:45,360
Speaker 2: hyperbaric chamber. I forgot his name.

2811
02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:46,000
Speaker 5: That's sick.

2812
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:47,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a hyperbaric chamber in.

2813
02:12:47,720 --> 02:12:50,960
Speaker 1: The living room. That's if I could use it.

2814
02:12:51,720 --> 02:12:53,720
Speaker 2: Use it for a little did it work, Didn't feel

2815
02:12:53,720 --> 02:12:58,960
Speaker 2: a thing. But you report and then you have to

2816
02:12:59,000 --> 02:13:01,919
Speaker 2: do your conditioning test. And when we do our conditioning test.

2817
02:13:01,920 --> 02:13:03,320
Speaker 5: Is that day one condition they one?

2818
02:13:03,480 --> 02:13:04,920
Speaker 3: Okay, this is after the physical.

2819
02:13:04,960 --> 02:13:07,840
Speaker 2: Once you've been cleared for your physical, there's like a

2820
02:13:07,920 --> 02:13:13,080
Speaker 2: lunch and then there's the conditioning test. Now, when we

2821
02:13:13,200 --> 02:13:18,400
Speaker 2: do our conditioning test, everyone in the organization would be

2822
02:13:18,520 --> 02:13:23,720
Speaker 2: out on the conditioning field to watch. I'm talking personal scouts,

2823
02:13:23,960 --> 02:13:29,120
Speaker 2: or the personnel scouts, the college scouts, every football coach.

2824
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:33,880
Speaker 2: There's like two hundred people associated team, all with their

2825
02:13:33,960 --> 02:13:38,040
Speaker 2: little fucking notebooks, all like giving your mean mugs, like

2826
02:13:38,200 --> 02:13:42,120
Speaker 2: the start of the season's about to start, you know,

2827
02:13:42,280 --> 02:13:44,040
Speaker 2: and so a lot of you get a lot you

2828
02:13:44,120 --> 02:13:46,160
Speaker 2: get anxiety from that. You know you're sitting there, especially

2829
02:13:46,160 --> 02:13:48,200
Speaker 2: when it's your first few times doing it, you're like, oh,

2830
02:13:48,400 --> 02:13:53,080
Speaker 2: fuck ownership owner, mister Krafts out there fucking walking around.

2831
02:13:53,400 --> 02:13:56,520
Speaker 2: You know, everyone's there, they want to see what who

2832
02:13:56,640 --> 02:13:59,080
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And so you do the

2833
02:13:59,160 --> 02:14:02,760
Speaker 2: conditioning test, and then after that's done, you have a

2834
02:14:02,800 --> 02:14:05,560
Speaker 2: team meeting. You go through all the rules and so

2835
02:14:05,680 --> 02:14:11,200
Speaker 2: you basically, you know, you go over, you're late, you know,

2836
02:14:11,280 --> 02:14:14,320
Speaker 2: it's five thousand dollars. If you're you miss a day

2837
02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:19,800
Speaker 2: unannounced or unexcused, it's twenty thousand dollars. If you're over

2838
02:14:19,960 --> 02:14:24,760
Speaker 2: your report weight each pound, it's five hundred and sixty

2839
02:14:24,840 --> 02:14:28,960
Speaker 2: two dollars each day it's over. So if that's two pounds,

2840
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:31,120
Speaker 2: bill would go to someone what's the math to that?

2841
02:14:31,720 --> 02:14:32,960
Speaker 1: You know, what's that?

2842
02:14:33,600 --> 02:14:37,920
Speaker 2: It'd be like some you know, oh, it's twelve hundred bucks.

2843
02:14:38,040 --> 02:14:43,320
Speaker 2: Coach right, twelve hundred dollars, like he would do that right,

2844
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:46,160
Speaker 2: and then you go every year he would go in

2845
02:14:46,280 --> 02:14:52,800
Speaker 2: and he would talk about, look, if it burns, you

2846
02:14:52,960 --> 02:14:56,000
Speaker 2: can't have it in the hotel room. Don't be coming

2847
02:14:56,040 --> 02:15:01,040
Speaker 2: here with your incense, your fucking candles. If it burned,

2848
02:15:01,240 --> 02:15:05,120
Speaker 2: like we could never burn anything inside the hotel. Clearly

2849
02:15:05,200 --> 02:15:07,800
Speaker 2: didn't know smoking, so like you know what I mean,

2850
02:15:07,840 --> 02:15:08,120
Speaker 2: but like.

2851
02:15:08,240 --> 02:15:09,080
Speaker 1: If it burned.

2852
02:15:10,560 --> 02:15:13,560
Speaker 2: And then after the bat light thing, remember anybody brought

2853
02:15:13,880 --> 02:15:20,560
Speaker 2: a crossbow on, we would go over the I didn't

2854
02:15:20,600 --> 02:15:23,000
Speaker 2: realize it was because I'm at light. He would go

2855
02:15:23,040 --> 02:15:27,880
Speaker 2: over that rule. You can't gamble on NFL facilities. You

2856
02:15:27,960 --> 02:15:32,880
Speaker 2: can't have a weapon anywhere on an NFL facility. And

2857
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:35,960
Speaker 2: it says guns, but he'd be like, and light, that

2858
02:15:36,120 --> 02:15:43,160
Speaker 2: means crossbows, sling shots. He would give examples swords. Don't

2859
02:15:43,200 --> 02:15:46,200
Speaker 2: be fucking you can't have like it would would it

2860
02:15:46,240 --> 02:15:46,760
Speaker 2: would be fun.

2861
02:15:46,920 --> 02:15:49,000
Speaker 5: Like any dude's ever bring like animals, like a pet

2862
02:15:49,120 --> 02:15:51,320
Speaker 5: or anything like someone's got like a tarantula they bring.

2863
02:15:51,320 --> 02:15:54,000
Speaker 2: The lineman brought a duck and put it in Donald's

2864
02:15:54,040 --> 02:15:58,240
Speaker 2: locker and it lived there for like three days. And

2865
02:15:58,320 --> 02:16:00,960
Speaker 2: I think Nate soldier took the duck and raised it,

2866
02:16:03,520 --> 02:16:05,480
Speaker 2: and the duck is somewhere still alive.

2867
02:16:05,560 --> 02:16:07,120
Speaker 5: I think, amazing.

2868
02:16:07,600 --> 02:16:10,840
Speaker 2: No, so we would go over all the rules and

2869
02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:15,400
Speaker 2: so you get there at like eight. The conditioning test

2870
02:16:15,480 --> 02:16:19,440
Speaker 2: is at like one. This meeting is at like four,

2871
02:16:20,400 --> 02:16:22,680
Speaker 2: and so they would schedule all this stuff so you

2872
02:16:22,800 --> 02:16:26,320
Speaker 2: couldn't leave the facility, but you had downtime at the facility.

2873
02:16:27,600 --> 02:16:29,240
Speaker 1: So you're basically there all day.

2874
02:16:31,200 --> 02:16:35,040
Speaker 2: And then you go over like expectations, coaches, vision of

2875
02:16:35,120 --> 02:16:38,280
Speaker 2: the team, and then you break up OD and you

2876
02:16:38,360 --> 02:16:40,119
Speaker 2: get into like, all right, this is what we're installing

2877
02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:42,000
Speaker 2: for tomorrow, and then it fucking just jumps into it.

2878
02:16:42,400 --> 02:16:45,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, backtrack real quick. It's no secret that NFL players

2879
02:16:45,760 --> 02:16:49,480
Speaker 5: participate in weed. So where were guys going to smoke

2880
02:16:49,680 --> 02:16:52,200
Speaker 5: or are they just doing non smoking ways or like

2881
02:16:52,520 --> 02:16:53,160
Speaker 5: would they go in.

2882
02:16:53,200 --> 02:16:55,120
Speaker 1: Car like take rides or like how did that work?

2883
02:16:55,320 --> 02:16:55,360
Speaker 2: No?

2884
02:16:55,400 --> 02:16:57,000
Speaker 3: One would smoke at the hotel.

2885
02:16:56,879 --> 02:16:59,200
Speaker 5: Okay, but you had flexibilit It's not like you were

2886
02:16:59,240 --> 02:17:01,720
Speaker 5: like locked down going from like hotel to facility.

2887
02:17:02,080 --> 02:17:04,480
Speaker 2: No. And also guys had houses, like we had a

2888
02:17:04,800 --> 02:17:07,480
Speaker 2: I had my house was like we just go to

2889
02:17:07,560 --> 02:17:09,920
Speaker 2: the house for but you had curfew, so you had

2890
02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:11,720
Speaker 2: to sleep, So we go to if we had like

2891
02:17:11,879 --> 02:17:14,480
Speaker 2: a two hour break, we go play ping pong at

2892
02:17:14,520 --> 02:17:16,840
Speaker 2: my house for forty five to an hour.

2893
02:17:17,400 --> 02:17:19,560
Speaker 5: Now do guys just absolutely resent having to go to

2894
02:17:19,680 --> 02:17:21,080
Speaker 5: hotels when they live nearby?

2895
02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2896
02:17:21,920 --> 02:17:23,920
Speaker 5: Was it nice to just be hey, word camp, let's

2897
02:17:23,959 --> 02:17:25,039
Speaker 5: fucking start, let's be here.

2898
02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's just part of it. Yeah, I

2899
02:17:29,680 --> 02:17:32,680
Speaker 2: don't you know that it was kind of nice to

2900
02:17:32,760 --> 02:17:35,240
Speaker 2: get I like, just to have to.

2901
02:17:35,440 --> 02:17:36,400
Speaker 1: Worry about shit.

2902
02:17:36,480 --> 02:17:37,320
Speaker 3: You didn't, you know what I mean?

2903
02:17:37,440 --> 02:17:40,520
Speaker 2: It kept the kept the main thing, the main thing.

2904
02:17:40,959 --> 02:17:43,280
Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about clothes, this that I

2905
02:17:43,360 --> 02:17:45,760
Speaker 2: mean you did, but just less. It was just like

2906
02:17:45,959 --> 02:17:47,440
Speaker 2: less less distractions.

2907
02:17:47,959 --> 02:17:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2908
02:17:48,520 --> 02:17:50,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, And when did you guys move out of the hotel?

2909
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:51,240
Speaker 1: Dude?

2910
02:17:51,280 --> 02:17:54,160
Speaker 2: I remember being like five weeks or something. That's all

2911
02:17:54,280 --> 02:17:56,120
Speaker 2: it used to be long. Now they're only there for

2912
02:17:56,240 --> 02:17:57,199
Speaker 2: like two weeks.

2913
02:17:57,040 --> 02:17:59,120
Speaker 5: With the beds at least nice. They set them up nice.

2914
02:17:59,440 --> 02:18:04,560
Speaker 2: Uh ye, shout out residents in they're all right, yeah,

2915
02:18:05,680 --> 02:18:06,880
Speaker 2: not like your home bank I brought.

2916
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:12,000
Speaker 1: I think I brought a mattress by like your six

2917
02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:13,120
Speaker 1: seven eight.

2918
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:17,080
Speaker 5: Now people always ask, I'm sure with training camps like

2919
02:18:17,120 --> 02:18:19,080
Speaker 5: what's the worst part of training camp? But what's the

2920
02:18:19,200 --> 02:18:21,280
Speaker 5: best part? Like what's something that like people don't realize

2921
02:18:21,360 --> 02:18:23,200
Speaker 5: is like fun or something you look forward to with

2922
02:18:23,320 --> 02:18:24,280
Speaker 5: regards to training camp.

2923
02:18:26,280 --> 02:18:29,560
Speaker 1: Uh, best best.

2924
02:18:29,400 --> 02:18:32,560
Speaker 2: Part of training camp is you know the excitement of

2925
02:18:32,600 --> 02:18:36,240
Speaker 2: the start. It's the start of the season. You know

2926
02:18:36,360 --> 02:18:38,920
Speaker 2: the crowds out there. You know you've been in OTAs,

2927
02:18:38,959 --> 02:18:41,280
Speaker 2: you've been in mini camps, and it's just the team there.

2928
02:18:41,959 --> 02:18:43,440
Speaker 2: You go out there and you get to feed off

2929
02:18:43,480 --> 02:18:47,280
Speaker 2: the energy of the crowd. Uh, the first like five

2930
02:18:47,360 --> 02:18:49,880
Speaker 2: days or four days or like all right, yeah, and

2931
02:18:49,959 --> 02:18:52,560
Speaker 2: then after that it just becomes a grind and you

2932
02:18:52,640 --> 02:18:54,680
Speaker 2: start getting tired. Like not you're tired, but you get

2933
02:18:54,720 --> 02:18:56,880
Speaker 2: beat up when you start introducing pads and when you

2934
02:18:57,000 --> 02:18:58,000
Speaker 2: used to hit a lot more.

2935
02:18:58,840 --> 02:19:00,360
Speaker 3: You know, it tough.

2936
02:19:00,560 --> 02:19:02,800
Speaker 2: Like I remember in my early part of my career

2937
02:19:02,879 --> 02:19:04,800
Speaker 2: with the double days, it was run in the morning,

2938
02:19:04,959 --> 02:19:11,600
Speaker 2: passes in the afternoon. You had your sleep rooms, like

2939
02:19:11,959 --> 02:19:14,960
Speaker 2: guys would take naps. There's like designated rooms with a

2940
02:19:15,040 --> 02:19:18,000
Speaker 2: bunch of mattresses and you'd be like a fucking Vietnamese

2941
02:19:18,040 --> 02:19:23,440
Speaker 2: opium den and you'd have like eighteen seven foot freaking

2942
02:19:23,560 --> 02:19:26,840
Speaker 2: athletes hanging off of bed, trying to get in thirty

2943
02:19:26,920 --> 02:19:29,840
Speaker 2: five minutes to sleep before the next practice because it's

2944
02:19:30,200 --> 02:19:33,039
Speaker 2: eighty two degrees eighty eight degrees with fucking ninety percent

2945
02:19:33,120 --> 02:19:34,080
Speaker 2: humidity in Boston.

2946
02:19:35,360 --> 02:19:35,840
Speaker 1: I mean it was.

2947
02:19:35,959 --> 02:19:39,160
Speaker 2: It's just a grind. And what makes it really hard

2948
02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:42,080
Speaker 2: is that you have to focus when you're tired. Yeah,

2949
02:19:42,640 --> 02:19:45,280
Speaker 2: it's like it's like hell week. I mean not like

2950
02:19:45,400 --> 02:19:48,200
Speaker 2: hell wek Hell Week is way worse, like with the Seals,

2951
02:19:48,240 --> 02:19:51,760
Speaker 2: but like having to go in and after when you

2952
02:19:51,840 --> 02:19:54,600
Speaker 2: were a young player and you were on everything, you

2953
02:19:54,720 --> 02:20:00,400
Speaker 2: had to go balls of the walls both practices every day, but.

2954
02:20:00,480 --> 02:20:03,800
Speaker 3: Then you had to go in and install at night

2955
02:20:03,879 --> 02:20:06,280
Speaker 3: for the next day, and you had to.

2956
02:20:09,120 --> 02:20:13,720
Speaker 2: Correct things from that practice early practice to the second practice.

2957
02:20:14,240 --> 02:20:16,600
Speaker 2: It was like you had to be on when you

2958
02:20:16,680 --> 02:20:21,840
Speaker 2: were dying, like, you know, tired and mentally exhausted from

2959
02:20:22,400 --> 02:20:24,240
Speaker 2: you know, the amount of stuff that you're doing and

2960
02:20:24,320 --> 02:20:26,120
Speaker 2: it's all new, you know, you know, you didn't want

2961
02:20:26,160 --> 02:20:30,320
Speaker 2: to fuck up your hairpin turn on fucking special teams

2962
02:20:30,440 --> 02:20:32,920
Speaker 2: and or the three plays that they installed for kickoff

2963
02:20:33,000 --> 02:20:35,640
Speaker 2: that day. And then you had you know, an additional

2964
02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:40,240
Speaker 2: a NASCAR sheet that you had to remember for the

2965
02:20:40,400 --> 02:20:43,160
Speaker 2: five terms that you could use for the conditioning the

2966
02:20:43,280 --> 02:20:45,000
Speaker 2: next day. Like it was just a lot of like

2967
02:20:45,800 --> 02:20:50,320
Speaker 2: a lot of like studying and when you're tired, mental stamina,

2968
02:20:50,560 --> 02:20:53,960
Speaker 2: mental stamina. And that's where you know guys would not

2969
02:20:54,120 --> 02:20:56,480
Speaker 2: make the team is when they'd fuck up their formations

2970
02:20:56,600 --> 02:20:59,720
Speaker 2: or they would be slow and not do something on

2971
02:21:00,080 --> 02:21:02,040
Speaker 2: that you know we went over, Like that's part of

2972
02:21:02,200 --> 02:21:07,880
Speaker 2: this process. Training camp is essentially it's a race to

2973
02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:11,560
Speaker 2: who could be the best and most effective prepper going

2974
02:21:11,640 --> 02:21:14,840
Speaker 2: into the season, meaning who knows how to install their ship,

2975
02:21:14,920 --> 02:21:17,520
Speaker 2: who knows how to practice effectively, who knows how to

2976
02:21:17,600 --> 02:21:20,280
Speaker 2: get all their plays ran and practice without having to

2977
02:21:20,360 --> 02:21:22,920
Speaker 2: fuck it up and start over a program? You know,

2978
02:21:23,080 --> 02:21:26,000
Speaker 2: who can take the you know, the drills the best,

2979
02:21:26,600 --> 02:21:29,200
Speaker 2: and and and and which coaching staffs can come up

2980
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:31,679
Speaker 2: with the drills that will put these guys in situations

2981
02:21:32,280 --> 02:21:35,359
Speaker 2: for ball security. Like it's a race who can prepare

2982
02:21:35,840 --> 02:21:36,360
Speaker 2: the best.

2983
02:21:37,120 --> 02:21:37,720
Speaker 1: That's what it is.

2984
02:21:39,480 --> 02:21:44,320
Speaker 5: Now given lose your playbook? Ever see anyone lose their playbook?

2985
02:21:45,520 --> 02:21:48,879
Speaker 1: No, nah, you don't.

2986
02:21:48,959 --> 02:21:49,400
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.

2987
02:21:49,440 --> 02:21:51,520
Speaker 2: I would only bring my playbook to like my house

2988
02:21:51,680 --> 02:21:53,920
Speaker 2: or like you weren't, I wasn't carrying it around to

2989
02:21:54,040 --> 02:21:55,760
Speaker 2: fucking you had socks.

2990
02:21:55,640 --> 02:21:58,199
Speaker 1: You had binder, and then as it started off.

2991
02:21:58,160 --> 02:22:00,440
Speaker 2: Three inch binder, and then like I think in twenty

2992
02:22:00,600 --> 02:22:04,760
Speaker 2: eleven twelve, like my fourth or third year, we started

2993
02:22:04,800 --> 02:22:09,320
Speaker 2: going to the iPad. Okay, And it used to be

2994
02:22:10,360 --> 02:22:14,200
Speaker 2: you know, now the iPad is the best because it

2995
02:22:14,400 --> 02:22:16,880
Speaker 2: has the library of all your cutups and coaches can

2996
02:22:16,959 --> 02:22:19,560
Speaker 2: just send you all right, guys, we got we got

2997
02:22:19,600 --> 02:22:22,880
Speaker 2: a thirty play cut up of their dbs here. You know.

2998
02:22:23,000 --> 02:22:27,160
Speaker 2: Before that, you know, I have probably eight hundred CDs

2999
02:22:27,680 --> 02:22:30,360
Speaker 2: that you could go into the film guys and say, hey,

3000
02:22:30,400 --> 02:22:33,440
Speaker 2: can I get those cut ups? Coach or coaches would distribute. Yeah,

3001
02:22:33,640 --> 02:22:35,840
Speaker 2: you know, all right, watch this for tomorrow's practice.

3002
02:22:35,840 --> 02:22:37,920
Speaker 3: We're going to go over it in this you know

3003
02:22:37,959 --> 02:22:38,280
Speaker 3: what I mean.

3004
02:22:38,400 --> 02:22:44,160
Speaker 2: So, like the iPad is such a technological fucking advance there, Yeah,

3005
02:22:44,200 --> 02:22:46,400
Speaker 2: because it just makes it I mean, but you know

3006
02:22:46,400 --> 02:22:49,240
Speaker 2: a lot of the older guys that came from the binders,

3007
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:52,800
Speaker 2: even when we had the iPads, would stay binder, Like

3008
02:22:52,879 --> 02:22:53,959
Speaker 2: Brady would stay binder.

3009
02:22:54,440 --> 02:22:57,480
Speaker 5: There's something about having something tactful that you can write

3010
02:22:57,520 --> 02:22:58,920
Speaker 5: on and you have a pencil and you can it

3011
02:22:59,040 --> 02:23:01,680
Speaker 5: be true. But I can see the simplicity of an

3012
02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:03,200
Speaker 5: iPad that it's all fucking there.

3013
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:08,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just also the you know, the everyone prepares differently,

3014
02:23:09,080 --> 02:23:11,520
Speaker 2: and like some people need to be pent on paper

3015
02:23:11,879 --> 02:23:14,240
Speaker 2: because they by the time you could even highlight and

3016
02:23:14,560 --> 02:23:17,040
Speaker 2: the plays on the fucking get a pad because you

3017
02:23:17,080 --> 02:23:20,200
Speaker 2: get your sheets of plays all drawn out. And I

3018
02:23:20,240 --> 02:23:22,000
Speaker 2: always used to like to go over them with my

3019
02:23:22,120 --> 02:23:25,600
Speaker 2: highlighters and my spots and colored coat and ate my shit,

3020
02:23:26,080 --> 02:23:28,160
Speaker 2: like the X was always a red or you know,

3021
02:23:28,520 --> 02:23:30,520
Speaker 2: you know, the Z was always the yellow, the pink

3022
02:23:31,240 --> 02:23:32,640
Speaker 2: was the other, you know what I mean. And I

3023
02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:34,640
Speaker 2: would do all my and then in the coaching point

3024
02:23:34,720 --> 02:23:37,960
Speaker 2: with the coach would say it just sometimes jotting it down.

3025
02:23:38,120 --> 02:23:41,000
Speaker 2: Was I used to jot still? Yeah, but I use

3026
02:23:41,080 --> 02:23:43,480
Speaker 2: my iPad for the film. The film, it was like

3027
02:23:43,560 --> 02:23:44,960
Speaker 2: the best. Yeah, just it's all of it.

3028
02:23:45,320 --> 02:23:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

3029
02:23:45,600 --> 02:23:47,680
Speaker 5: Did you ever see any guys and maybe this didn't

3030
02:23:47,680 --> 02:23:49,119
Speaker 5: happen to England, but do you ever see any guys

3031
02:23:49,160 --> 02:23:51,280
Speaker 5: maybe play up injuries or a little bit to get

3032
02:23:51,360 --> 02:23:53,800
Speaker 5: a little bit of like maybe some veterans just not

3033
02:23:53,959 --> 02:23:57,360
Speaker 5: have to be participate as much or like any little

3034
02:23:57,600 --> 02:24:00,360
Speaker 5: little games like that to just kind of conserve energy.

3035
02:24:01,320 --> 02:24:04,200
Speaker 2: We were pretty good with that. Yeah, I remember when

3036
02:24:04,200 --> 02:24:10,440
Speaker 2: I broke my thumb bobby balls with my ball guys.

3037
02:24:10,840 --> 02:24:11,560
Speaker 1: I was doing.

3038
02:24:13,160 --> 02:24:17,680
Speaker 2: I was, I was I think I was rehabbing rehabbing

3039
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:21,200
Speaker 2: my shoulder, I think, and I was running routes and

3040
02:24:21,200 --> 02:24:25,480
Speaker 2: I was on pup and like I broke my thumb

3041
02:24:26,280 --> 02:24:30,520
Speaker 2: doing ball drills and like they kind of I was

3042
02:24:30,560 --> 02:24:33,280
Speaker 2: trying to get back and they kind of were like,

3043
02:24:33,920 --> 02:24:36,959
Speaker 2: let's just like at that point of my career, They're like, well,

3044
02:24:37,240 --> 02:24:40,280
Speaker 2: we need you in fucking January, June, September right now,

3045
02:24:40,400 --> 02:24:41,960
Speaker 2: can you like you know what I mean.

3046
02:24:42,080 --> 02:24:44,280
Speaker 3: So, like there's a lot of that, Yeah, And you know,

3047
02:24:44,360 --> 02:24:45,279
Speaker 3: there was always.

3048
02:24:47,879 --> 02:24:51,280
Speaker 2: The game is the like the guys that barely make

3049
02:24:51,360 --> 02:24:54,640
Speaker 2: the team, that whole injury stuff. That's yeah, And I

3050
02:24:55,360 --> 02:24:58,640
Speaker 2: was on that game, but like I was never it's

3051
02:24:58,720 --> 02:25:00,400
Speaker 2: you know, do you cut a guy to put them

3052
02:25:00,440 --> 02:25:02,160
Speaker 2: on or do you medical red shirt or do you

3053
02:25:02,280 --> 02:25:03,640
Speaker 2: uh you know, do you you you.

3054
02:25:04,120 --> 02:25:04,560
Speaker 3: Put them on?

3055
02:25:04,640 --> 02:25:05,720
Speaker 1: Irre.

3056
02:25:05,800 --> 02:25:08,800
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of those thing games that I don't.

3057
02:25:09,120 --> 02:25:10,680
Speaker 3: I didn't I was never a part of.

3058
02:25:10,920 --> 02:25:13,280
Speaker 5: I kind of know, but whatever, do you ever see

3059
02:25:13,360 --> 02:25:16,039
Speaker 5: any out of out of the blue kind of cuts

3060
02:25:16,280 --> 02:25:18,480
Speaker 5: or roster moves that like the team kinds like oh shit,

3061
02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:19,640
Speaker 5: Like yeah.

3062
02:25:19,480 --> 02:25:23,120
Speaker 2: There was always there's always like there was always a

3063
02:25:27,959 --> 02:25:30,840
Speaker 2: joker maker, like a joker card or what do they

3064
02:25:30,879 --> 02:25:31,120
Speaker 2: call that.

3065
02:25:33,080 --> 02:25:35,320
Speaker 3: There was always like just one. There was always like

3066
02:25:35,360 --> 02:25:36,520
Speaker 3: a surprise make every year.

3067
02:25:37,160 --> 02:25:38,720
Speaker 5: But you, like a log.

3068
02:25:40,480 --> 02:25:42,120
Speaker 2: When you were there for a while, you knew who

3069
02:25:42,200 --> 02:25:46,520
Speaker 2: the guys were gonna, like you could tell by you

3070
02:25:46,600 --> 02:25:52,520
Speaker 2: could tell by performance, how coaches talked, uh attitudes of

3071
02:25:52,959 --> 02:25:59,039
Speaker 2: certain players, willingness of certain players, rep distribution to those

3072
02:25:59,120 --> 02:26:02,200
Speaker 2: players after doing well in certain things, maybe in a

3073
02:26:02,240 --> 02:26:05,200
Speaker 2: completely different aspect of the game, but you see them

3074
02:26:05,240 --> 02:26:08,400
Speaker 2: get rewarded, take advantage, Like you could see that stuff.

3075
02:26:09,000 --> 02:26:11,240
Speaker 5: So like a fan might see, oh that guy got traded.

3076
02:26:11,320 --> 02:26:14,240
Speaker 2: That fan could also see like you know a guy

3077
02:26:14,320 --> 02:26:17,080
Speaker 2: that has like a billion catches, but half of them

3078
02:26:17,120 --> 02:26:17,480
Speaker 2: were like.

3079
02:26:19,040 --> 02:26:20,600
Speaker 3: Not really you know what I mean.

3080
02:26:20,760 --> 02:26:23,080
Speaker 5: So there wasn't any like big surprise because you because

3081
02:26:23,160 --> 02:26:25,440
Speaker 5: when you're plugged and you understand the patterns, you understand

3082
02:26:25,480 --> 02:26:26,480
Speaker 5: how it's going, it's nothing.

3083
02:26:26,520 --> 02:26:30,080
Speaker 2: It comes like lower or five years to realize yeah,

3084
02:26:30,480 --> 02:26:32,840
Speaker 2: you know they're every But before that, I.

3085
02:26:32,920 --> 02:26:39,680
Speaker 1: Was like, oh my god, Richard Seymour, Yeah yeah, Logan

3086
02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:42,600
Speaker 1: Manks is gone, oh what we cut this guy? Yeah?

3087
02:26:43,160 --> 02:26:44,400
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, because you never know what

3088
02:26:44,480 --> 02:26:47,160
Speaker 2: they're trying to build the team for, you know what

3089
02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:49,640
Speaker 2: I mean, And you don't know how because our our

3090
02:26:49,680 --> 02:26:52,400
Speaker 2: team was always different because we wouldn't. It's like standard,

3091
02:26:52,400 --> 02:26:56,080
Speaker 2: all right, usually can always keep six receivers, you keep

3092
02:26:56,480 --> 02:26:59,320
Speaker 2: five running backs, you know what I mean? Ours, I

3093
02:26:59,360 --> 02:27:02,520
Speaker 2: remember when you were like we had like four receivers

3094
02:27:02,560 --> 02:27:05,480
Speaker 2: going like we cut down to four receivers. Because there's

3095
02:27:05,480 --> 02:27:07,840
Speaker 2: also the free agency game of the other teams that

3096
02:27:08,000 --> 02:27:11,440
Speaker 2: your personnel department has been eye in and scanning to

3097
02:27:11,520 --> 02:27:13,080
Speaker 2: see who's let go in that world.

3098
02:27:13,680 --> 02:27:15,120
Speaker 3: So it's like an ongoing thing.

3099
02:27:15,320 --> 02:27:19,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's the biggest like faux pas or fuck up?

3100
02:27:19,400 --> 02:27:20,440
Speaker 5: You've seen a rookie?

3101
02:27:20,480 --> 02:27:20,520
Speaker 2: Do?

3102
02:27:21,959 --> 02:27:22,200
Speaker 1: I mean?

3103
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:28,040
Speaker 2: Anytime like an undrafted guy or a rookie like is

3104
02:27:28,240 --> 02:27:32,440
Speaker 2: late to something, I'm like, I would just turn them off.

3105
02:27:32,680 --> 02:27:35,160
Speaker 2: It means you don't think this is serious enough. Because

3106
02:27:35,160 --> 02:27:39,640
Speaker 2: I remember, like I I literally for a preseason game

3107
02:27:39,680 --> 02:27:43,680
Speaker 2: when I was like bawling already. I remember I lost

3108
02:27:43,760 --> 02:27:47,680
Speaker 2: the keys to my hot my car and we had

3109
02:27:47,800 --> 02:27:51,320
Speaker 2: and this was for a preseason game. For the meeting

3110
02:27:51,480 --> 02:27:54,360
Speaker 2: that I knew I wasn't playing in I lost the

3111
02:27:54,440 --> 02:27:56,680
Speaker 2: keys to my car. Is when I lived in Foxboro

3112
02:27:56,879 --> 02:27:59,039
Speaker 2: and we had a new neighbor and I had all

3113
02:27:59,080 --> 02:28:02,840
Speaker 2: the All the my neighbors were players that were already

3114
02:28:02,840 --> 02:28:07,440
Speaker 2: at the facility, and there was no uber. Yeah, and

3115
02:28:07,560 --> 02:28:09,760
Speaker 2: so I'm literally on an island. I went to a

3116
02:28:09,879 --> 02:28:11,520
Speaker 2: person's house. I had no clue of.

3117
02:28:13,160 --> 02:28:14,160
Speaker 3: This new neighbor.

3118
02:28:14,200 --> 02:28:16,959
Speaker 2: I said, Hey, I know this is kind of crazy,

3119
02:28:17,080 --> 02:28:20,480
Speaker 2: but I have twenty two minutes to get to a place.

3120
02:28:20,520 --> 02:28:22,960
Speaker 2: It's gonna take me fifteen minutes to go through. Now

3121
02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:25,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna say it's gonna be thirty. But with the

3122
02:28:25,480 --> 02:28:28,480
Speaker 2: way you'll drive with me in the car, we're gonna

3123
02:28:28,480 --> 02:28:32,160
Speaker 2: be good on cops. Will you take me to my

3124
02:28:32,280 --> 02:28:37,520
Speaker 2: team meeting? And it's literally yes, they took me. They

3125
02:28:37,640 --> 02:28:41,240
Speaker 2: only lived that house for like they left you. I

3126
02:28:41,320 --> 02:28:44,760
Speaker 2: made it on time. One minute I came sprinting in Chattio.

3127
02:28:44,840 --> 02:28:47,920
Speaker 2: Goes bro, you could have just told me. I would

3128
02:28:47,959 --> 02:28:54,240
Speaker 2: have fucking told you. We're good like sweating bullets. I

3129
02:28:54,320 --> 02:28:55,600
Speaker 2: think I already had a Super Bowl.

3130
02:28:57,120 --> 02:28:58,199
Speaker 5: Could you just ride your bike?

3131
02:28:59,200 --> 02:29:01,920
Speaker 2: Well know the you can't because it was so it's

3132
02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:07,560
Speaker 2: we used to stay like in share Walpole.

3133
02:29:06,440 --> 02:29:09,920
Speaker 3: Or Sheraton four points. Oh, okay, it wasn't.

3134
02:29:10,280 --> 02:29:10,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't.

3135
02:29:11,720 --> 02:29:12,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't.

3136
02:29:12,200 --> 02:29:15,480
Speaker 1: Okay, hotel, Okay, I got. I mean I went through it. Well.

3137
02:29:15,480 --> 02:29:17,600
Speaker 5: Shout out to your and your neighbor knew who you

3138
02:29:17,680 --> 02:29:18,640
Speaker 5: were and you were able.

3139
02:29:18,480 --> 02:29:20,840
Speaker 1: To be like I don't know, Yeah they did, Yeah,

3140
02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:26,080
Speaker 1: they did. Shout out them, shout out them. What's the biggest.

3141
02:29:28,240 --> 02:29:32,400
Speaker 5: Improvement you saw someone like maybe a rookie or an undrafted.

3142
02:29:32,000 --> 02:29:35,119
Speaker 2: On The biggest improvements I ever saw was was James

3143
02:29:35,160 --> 02:29:39,280
Speaker 2: White really and it was it was not just from

3144
02:29:39,320 --> 02:29:41,840
Speaker 2: training camp, but it was from like his first year

3145
02:29:41,959 --> 02:29:45,080
Speaker 2: to his second year. Like we he didn't I think

3146
02:29:45,160 --> 02:29:47,640
Speaker 2: he was on IR or something. They didn't play much

3147
02:29:47,760 --> 02:29:49,400
Speaker 2: his rookie year. I think we won a super Bowl.

3148
02:29:49,879 --> 02:29:51,000
Speaker 2: What year was his rookie year?

3149
02:29:51,360 --> 02:29:57,560
Speaker 5: He was drafted in two thousand and fourteen. He's a

3150
02:29:57,600 --> 02:29:59,440
Speaker 5: fourth front pick out of Wisconsin.

3151
02:29:59,640 --> 02:30:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he did. He was on that team.

3152
02:30:02,520 --> 02:30:04,160
Speaker 5: So he has three super Bowls. But I don't know

3153
02:30:04,160 --> 02:30:08,039
Speaker 5: how much he played his rookie year. He played three games, yeah, yeah,

3154
02:30:08,040 --> 02:30:11,640
Speaker 5: and then he went on IR. Yeah and then no,

3155
02:30:11,720 --> 02:30:12,520
Speaker 5: he didn't play any games.

3156
02:30:12,560 --> 02:30:13,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't play any game.

3157
02:30:13,840 --> 02:30:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so when I remember, I remember watching him

3158
02:30:17,280 --> 02:30:20,360
Speaker 2: come back from year two, he looked like a different

3159
02:30:20,400 --> 02:30:21,400
Speaker 2: football player.

3160
02:30:21,360 --> 02:30:23,400
Speaker 3: Like because he was in that program.

3161
02:30:23,600 --> 02:30:27,240
Speaker 2: They when when you're not playing, say you're on practice

3162
02:30:27,240 --> 02:30:31,280
Speaker 2: squad or or you're hurt, Like they have a whole

3163
02:30:31,320 --> 02:30:35,080
Speaker 2: different life. They live with like the weight staff those guys,

3164
02:30:35,959 --> 02:30:39,040
Speaker 2: and they're like breaking these guys and training these guys

3165
02:30:39,840 --> 02:30:43,080
Speaker 2: like college style training where they have to wake up early,

3166
02:30:43,280 --> 02:30:45,600
Speaker 2: get their workout, the run before they have to do

3167
02:30:45,720 --> 02:30:49,280
Speaker 2: all the like the football stuff with the team. Like

3168
02:30:49,400 --> 02:30:51,640
Speaker 2: they work the fuck out of those guys. And a

3169
02:30:51,680 --> 02:30:53,800
Speaker 2: lot of those guys that don't bitch and complain about

3170
02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:56,359
Speaker 2: it and that take advantage of it a lah James.

3171
02:30:56,120 --> 02:30:59,280
Speaker 3: White, yeah go on to be a lot better because

3172
02:30:59,320 --> 02:30:59,440
Speaker 3: of it.

3173
02:30:59,560 --> 02:31:02,080
Speaker 2: And he is the prime example of that, someone who

3174
02:31:02,760 --> 02:31:05,160
Speaker 2: you know didn't fucking bitch your moan when he was

3175
02:31:05,200 --> 02:31:07,760
Speaker 2: a fourth round draft pick and didn't like really play

3176
02:31:07,840 --> 02:31:09,480
Speaker 2: his rookie year was going on to a team that

3177
02:31:09,560 --> 02:31:11,320
Speaker 2: went on to win a Super Bowl with Shane Veren

3178
02:31:11,360 --> 02:31:15,039
Speaker 2: who caught thirteen passes or whatever. Yeah, you know, we'd

3179
02:31:15,080 --> 02:31:20,080
Speaker 2: let Kim go because James, you know, and then you know,

3180
02:31:20,320 --> 02:31:23,480
Speaker 2: James did what he did. But like seeing him develop

3181
02:31:23,640 --> 02:31:27,680
Speaker 2: and progress was like, man, he worked his fucking balls off.

3182
02:31:28,480 --> 02:31:32,040
Speaker 5: No, no, what are some like fun moments from training

3183
02:31:32,080 --> 02:31:33,680
Speaker 5: him things? Maybe coaches did this fun? I know you

3184
02:31:33,720 --> 02:31:34,800
Speaker 5: guys would go see movies.

3185
02:31:35,080 --> 02:31:37,840
Speaker 1: We go see movie. They'd break it up. We do

3186
02:31:37,959 --> 02:31:41,240
Speaker 1: like a team movie. I gotta see what movies we did.

3187
02:31:41,360 --> 02:31:44,600
Speaker 2: Uh? Loan Survivor did Loan Survivor and Wahlberg came and

3188
02:31:44,680 --> 02:31:47,320
Speaker 2: talked to the whole team and they they rent out

3189
02:31:47,360 --> 02:31:50,240
Speaker 2: a theater and get all the snacks and stuff for

3190
02:31:50,320 --> 02:31:54,280
Speaker 2: the boys unlimited, which is it's so fun when you

3191
02:31:54,400 --> 02:31:56,400
Speaker 2: have that like surprise.

3192
02:31:56,720 --> 02:31:57,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.

3193
02:31:58,040 --> 02:32:00,600
Speaker 2: Now it's like every four days you have a day off. Yeah,

3194
02:32:00,680 --> 02:32:03,280
Speaker 2: in training camp, that would be after like nine days

3195
02:32:03,320 --> 02:32:07,120
Speaker 2: of grinding, maybe eleven. You'd make a alignment, try to

3196
02:32:07,200 --> 02:32:10,480
Speaker 2: catch a punt when anytime you got to miss a

3197
02:32:10,600 --> 02:32:13,280
Speaker 2: meeting or like there was a team thing where we

3198
02:32:13,320 --> 02:32:15,720
Speaker 2: all had to come together to like get out of meetings.

3199
02:32:16,120 --> 02:32:18,320
Speaker 3: That was the best thing in fucking in football.

3200
02:32:18,440 --> 02:32:22,879
Speaker 2: Rookie skits you need, like I with the older you get,

3201
02:32:23,000 --> 02:32:26,039
Speaker 2: the more you need the rookie skits because it becomes repetitive.

3202
02:32:26,080 --> 02:32:33,279
Speaker 2: I've heard verbatims these same meetings. Yes for you know nine, ten, eleven, twelve.

3203
02:32:33,080 --> 02:32:38,040
Speaker 1: No firearms, got it? Thank you? Yeah, or you know you're.

3204
02:32:37,120 --> 02:32:41,920
Speaker 2: Literally repeating what coach says before he says it, you know. So,

3205
02:32:42,200 --> 02:32:45,200
Speaker 2: like the rookie skits are always just a great breakup.

3206
02:32:45,360 --> 02:32:47,800
Speaker 2: And then you get to also learn your teammates, which

3207
02:32:48,000 --> 02:32:51,119
Speaker 2: who's funny of these guys who thinks they're a little

3208
02:32:51,160 --> 02:32:55,959
Speaker 2: too full of themself, of these guys who's like got

3209
02:32:56,080 --> 02:32:58,200
Speaker 2: no heart when it comes like you learn a lot

3210
02:32:58,280 --> 02:33:01,600
Speaker 2: through these rookie skits. You know, who's just a straight

3211
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:04,400
Speaker 2: killer that like wants nothing to associate with this but

3212
02:33:04,760 --> 02:33:07,520
Speaker 2: plays so good that'll be like, okay, fuck it, you

3213
02:33:07,600 --> 02:33:08,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

3214
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:09,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I put someself out there to be a part

3215
02:33:09,840 --> 02:33:11,000
Speaker 5: of the team even though they don't like it.

3216
02:33:11,120 --> 02:33:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's those are those are the fun things.

3217
02:33:14,720 --> 02:33:15,640
Speaker 3: The movie was great.

3218
02:33:17,760 --> 02:33:22,039
Speaker 2: We did a paintball thing once, was that OTAs or regardless,

3219
02:33:22,160 --> 02:33:23,840
Speaker 2: We did a paintball thing. We're winning as a team

3220
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:25,240
Speaker 2: in paintball, which was fun.

3221
02:33:25,440 --> 02:33:25,640
Speaker 4: Fun.

3222
02:33:27,000 --> 02:33:29,320
Speaker 1: We used to go to like the bowling alley up

3223
02:33:29,400 --> 02:33:31,920
Speaker 1: the Patriot Place a bunch yeah uh.

3224
02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and anytime, like we'd have our family, we'd have

3225
02:33:37,320 --> 02:33:41,039
Speaker 2: like family days were like you got off meetings early

3226
02:33:41,720 --> 02:33:44,800
Speaker 2: and they'd barbecue and they bring in all the floaties

3227
02:33:44,920 --> 02:33:45,640
Speaker 2: for the kids.

3228
02:33:45,760 --> 02:33:46,800
Speaker 3: I remember Lily at.

3229
02:33:46,680 --> 02:33:48,960
Speaker 2: A young age and getting to bring her and they'd

3230
02:33:49,000 --> 02:33:51,320
Speaker 2: put them all on the in the stadium for the

3231
02:33:51,440 --> 02:33:54,320
Speaker 2: kids and they're running around and I'm just sitting there like, man,

3232
02:33:54,400 --> 02:33:57,000
Speaker 2: that's so that had to be so fun as you

3233
02:33:57,040 --> 02:33:59,160
Speaker 2: know what i mean, like core memories for kids to

3234
02:33:59,240 --> 02:33:59,840
Speaker 2: see that stuff.

3235
02:34:00,400 --> 02:34:04,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, those those are and then like you know, just

3236
02:34:05,879 --> 02:34:06,440
Speaker 3: the best thing.

3237
02:34:06,520 --> 02:34:10,400
Speaker 2: You know, like when when you're you're those those days

3238
02:34:10,440 --> 02:34:14,880
Speaker 2: when when you're older, when practice finished, it was like

3239
02:34:14,959 --> 02:34:19,640
Speaker 2: the best, but it changed on why throughout your career.

3240
02:34:20,920 --> 02:34:23,760
Speaker 2: You know, it was the best because you're shot, you're tired,

3241
02:34:24,400 --> 02:34:25,880
Speaker 2: like they used to work you, and it was hot,

3242
02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:27,480
Speaker 2: you know what i mean, And it was full go

3243
02:34:27,680 --> 02:34:31,080
Speaker 2: full pad. And then you know, when you're younger, it's

3244
02:34:31,160 --> 02:34:34,160
Speaker 2: just like to go out and get like the line

3245
02:34:34,240 --> 02:34:37,080
Speaker 2: faster for food or you know, like get a sleep bed.

3246
02:34:37,520 --> 02:34:39,280
Speaker 2: You know, by the time you're older, you get to

3247
02:34:39,280 --> 02:34:41,520
Speaker 2: see your little kid come run on the field and

3248
02:34:42,160 --> 02:34:44,320
Speaker 2: you know, you get to go engage with the fans

3249
02:34:44,440 --> 02:34:47,720
Speaker 2: and go engage with a lot of the Patriots Foundation

3250
02:34:49,080 --> 02:34:55,880
Speaker 2: organizational people, which you know, it seems after a long

3251
02:34:55,959 --> 02:34:58,600
Speaker 2: ass day of work, it's you know, it's a lot,

3252
02:34:58,760 --> 02:35:04,640
Speaker 2: but it was always gives you a perspective afterwards, so

3253
02:35:05,440 --> 02:35:08,680
Speaker 2: you know, and it also gives you the memories I

3254
02:35:08,800 --> 02:35:11,080
Speaker 2: remember being that kid going to the training camp for

3255
02:35:11,160 --> 02:35:13,680
Speaker 2: the Niners or the softball games for the Niners, and

3256
02:35:14,320 --> 02:35:16,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like those that's the fun

3257
02:35:16,680 --> 02:35:18,400
Speaker 2: stuff getting there early.

3258
02:35:19,800 --> 02:35:20,280
Speaker 3: I love that.

3259
02:35:21,200 --> 02:35:24,800
Speaker 2: The process, the work, the process. Now, it fucking sucked

3260
02:35:25,040 --> 02:35:29,000
Speaker 2: and it was a grind, I don't. I hated it,

3261
02:35:29,720 --> 02:35:31,320
Speaker 2: like you hate it, but you love it and you

3262
02:35:31,440 --> 02:35:31,680
Speaker 2: need it.

3263
02:35:31,879 --> 02:35:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

3264
02:35:33,000 --> 02:35:35,080
Speaker 2: It's kind of like when you're a parent and your

3265
02:35:35,200 --> 02:35:38,000
Speaker 2: kid has a cough. You know that they don't like

3266
02:35:38,120 --> 02:35:40,000
Speaker 2: the taste. I have to pin like my kid down

3267
02:35:40,080 --> 02:35:42,600
Speaker 2: to take the cough medicine.

3268
02:35:42,760 --> 02:35:43,880
Speaker 1: She's like, I get it.

3269
02:35:45,040 --> 02:35:47,920
Speaker 2: But when the cough goes away and they hate it. Yeah,

3270
02:35:48,440 --> 02:35:51,080
Speaker 2: they hate the taste, but the cough goes it becomes effective.

3271
02:35:51,160 --> 02:35:53,680
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, yeah. It's kind of the same thing.

3272
02:35:53,840 --> 02:35:56,000
Speaker 2: Like that hill and we have to run that fucking hill.

3273
02:35:56,520 --> 02:35:58,160
Speaker 5: How many times up and down the hill you think

3274
02:35:58,200 --> 02:35:58,560
Speaker 5: you've run?

3275
02:35:58,879 --> 02:35:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean, a lot.

3276
02:36:00,240 --> 02:36:03,120
Speaker 3: Probably in the thousands, thousands, if you think about it,

3277
02:36:03,200 --> 02:36:03,520
Speaker 3: we'd do.

3278
02:36:03,640 --> 02:36:09,040
Speaker 2: Like seven to six after practices an off season. You

3279
02:36:09,120 --> 02:36:11,640
Speaker 2: can you can count that up, so that's six hundred

3280
02:36:12,080 --> 02:36:15,240
Speaker 2: in one season. Ish you're saying.

3281
02:36:16,959 --> 02:36:18,000
Speaker 3: I don't know a lot.

3282
02:36:18,600 --> 02:36:20,760
Speaker 5: No, was there any sort of like this last question,

3283
02:36:20,879 --> 02:36:23,520
Speaker 5: any sort of like ritualistic thing you guys would do

3284
02:36:24,040 --> 02:36:27,400
Speaker 5: to signify the end of training camp? Like when I play,

3285
02:36:27,480 --> 02:36:29,640
Speaker 5: we did doubles. When doubles were over, we go eat

3286
02:36:29,760 --> 02:36:31,960
Speaker 5: our faces with china but face shut up, my crag football.

3287
02:36:31,959 --> 02:36:34,640
Speaker 5: They're dead now. But like we just like eating china

3288
02:36:34,640 --> 02:36:36,680
Speaker 5: bu fet was like the end of camp and now

3289
02:36:36,720 --> 02:36:38,440
Speaker 5: we're going. It's like anything you guys would do, like

3290
02:36:38,560 --> 02:36:40,760
Speaker 5: ritualistically that would be like, okay, camp's over, now we're

3291
02:36:40,760 --> 02:36:41,240
Speaker 5: fucking there.

3292
02:36:41,320 --> 02:36:43,640
Speaker 2: Used to be the craft party, okay in the Cape

3293
02:36:43,800 --> 02:36:47,400
Speaker 2: in the Cape, Yeah, but it it was always a

3294
02:36:47,440 --> 02:36:50,960
Speaker 2: little tricky because sometimes there'd be a guy. There'd be

3295
02:36:51,000 --> 02:36:53,000
Speaker 2: a guy and that didn't make There'd be a guy

3296
02:36:53,040 --> 02:36:55,280
Speaker 2: that would go to the party and that got cut.

3297
02:36:55,560 --> 02:36:57,320
Speaker 5: Because it's like a more of like a like would

3298
02:36:57,320 --> 02:36:59,440
Speaker 5: be like a ring thing too or No, it's more of.

3299
02:36:59,560 --> 02:37:03,560
Speaker 2: Like the the final team Okay, goes to not the

3300
02:37:03,600 --> 02:37:06,320
Speaker 2: final team, but like it's like the start to the

3301
02:37:06,400 --> 02:37:10,720
Speaker 2: season when in theory you're supposed to have your final

3302
02:37:10,800 --> 02:37:13,680
Speaker 2: team in the books. But we always had like moving parts,

3303
02:37:13,840 --> 02:37:17,200
Speaker 2: guys get cut, bring guy in. Yeah, so like that

3304
02:37:17,400 --> 02:37:20,080
Speaker 2: was always like you could tell who thought they were

3305
02:37:20,160 --> 02:37:22,600
Speaker 2: comfortable and making the team is who would show up

3306
02:37:22,600 --> 02:37:25,160
Speaker 2: to that party. But there were a couple of times

3307
02:37:25,200 --> 02:37:27,440
Speaker 2: where there'd be some guys getting knocked at the party.

3308
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:31,640
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, but that was kind of like the

3309
02:37:31,760 --> 02:37:34,879
Speaker 2: last because your family is again we're there.

3310
02:37:35,200 --> 02:37:39,119
Speaker 5: Yea is training I keep saying last one, but actually

3311
02:37:39,160 --> 02:37:42,760
Speaker 5: last one. How is training camp different the year after

3312
02:37:42,800 --> 02:37:45,560
Speaker 5: a Super Bowl versus just a regular training camp.

3313
02:37:46,480 --> 02:37:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a difference because anyone who's new on the

3314
02:37:48,840 --> 02:37:51,520
Speaker 2: team thinks that they're a part of it, okay, and

3315
02:37:51,560 --> 02:37:54,280
Speaker 2: I don't realize how hard it is to get there.

3316
02:37:54,680 --> 02:37:57,680
Speaker 2: And then there's a learning curve for that. And then

3317
02:37:57,680 --> 02:38:00,720
Speaker 2: there's also you know, there's different situations for each year.

3318
02:38:00,840 --> 02:38:03,800
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes guys are banged up going into it.

3319
02:38:03,879 --> 02:38:06,760
Speaker 2: Guys get emotions. I was emotion you get emotionally drained.

3320
02:38:06,800 --> 02:38:12,880
Speaker 2: Sometimes after a long period of success, like the training camps,

3321
02:38:13,040 --> 02:38:15,080
Speaker 2: like what clears the cobwebs and Bill did a great

3322
02:38:15,160 --> 02:38:16,840
Speaker 2: job of that, and the coaching staff did a great

3323
02:38:16,879 --> 02:38:20,040
Speaker 2: job of that of always keeping us. You know, some

3324
02:38:20,200 --> 02:38:21,760
Speaker 2: would say a little too good of a job at

3325
02:38:21,800 --> 02:38:24,120
Speaker 2: that of keeping us level minded.

3326
02:38:24,280 --> 02:38:29,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, cool, that's good fans. If you have any

3327
02:38:29,280 --> 02:38:32,120
Speaker 5: more follow up, I know training camp is a huge subject.

3328
02:38:32,200 --> 02:38:33,800
Speaker 5: So if you have any more questions you want to

3329
02:38:33,800 --> 02:38:36,200
Speaker 5: ask on training camp, maybe we'll do another part of

3330
02:38:36,280 --> 02:38:39,680
Speaker 5: training camp conversations while camp's happening. So anything you want

3331
02:38:39,720 --> 02:38:42,480
Speaker 5: more answers on, shoot them in the comments, We'll do it.

3332
02:38:42,720 --> 02:38:46,480
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02:38:46,520 --> 02:38:47,080
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