WEBVTT - Do you want to date a celebrity? 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:06.000 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:09.520 Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema comming to you from the 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:14.600 home office in Austin, Texas, where we wanted to dive 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.800 into a very interesting topic today. There was an article 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:24.079 written about this woman that had dated a celebrity and 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:26.240 she kind of went into the pros and cons, the 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.880 pluses and minuses about dating this celebrity. And also coming 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.400 off the Jony Hill's story where his ex kind of 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:37.760 came out on Instagram and really went after Jony Hill, 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:41.440 Laura and I just started talking about what's it like 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.400 dating a celebrity and can we chase anybody down who's 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.319 dated a celebrity? So we have a couple guests coming 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.600 up we're going to talk to about this subject. But 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.320 it's also something that well, Elzina and I know a 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:52.040 little something about. 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:52.360 Well. 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:53.600 I was going to say, that's what's so funny that 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:55.360 you're like, when did to chase the people down? I'm like, 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:59.360 I'm right in front of you, man, when I dated you, 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:01.880 you were a little famous. You know it might still 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.960 be so yeah, I went through that myself, But who 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:06.800 did you chase down? The book for today. 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:13.320 Coming up our good friend Evanna Firestone, who obviously fell 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:17.120 in love with dated, then married and had children with 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.000 Andrew Firestone. 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:20.720 One of the best bachelor's ever, one of the. 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.480 Best bachelors ever. Great man obviously comes from a very 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.520 famous family and was a popular figure when they But 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:30.479 the thing about Evanna, it's not just about Andrew. There 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.000 are other famous people life. 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.280 Because she was a model and an actress herself. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.160 Exactly, So there was a life before Andrew. So she 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.959 is going to give a great perspective. And then someone 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:44.000 that I just want to embarrass and really out on 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.760 this program is Ben Higgins. So his wife Jessica Clark 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:48.280 is coming on. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:50.840 So what was the story of the article? Does she 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:52.640 reveal who the celebrity was? 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.120 First of all, no, And that was part of reading 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.080 the article was like, Okay, who is this? Who is this? 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.080 So she never reveals who the celebrity is. Seems like 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.360 a very big celebrity. But he happened to be in 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.760 her town working. She slid into the DMS, he reached 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.320 back out quickly. She was very proactive about trying to 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.840 move it out of DMS and meet for coffee. The 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:19.360 coffee led to a date they spent an amazing evening together. 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.800 It sounds like it didn't get very romantic or sexual, 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.400 if you're wondering if it did. She didn't divulge that fact. 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.280 But she had this amazing connection in this chemistry. But 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.960 what was interesting about the takeaway was she knew that 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.800 was probably it, and that's what was best. They didn't 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.480 pursue a relationship. She knew there would probably be nothing 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.560 beyond that. And there's that old thing about never meet 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:45.160 your heroes. Never, I guess date your heroes in this perspective, 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.240 But interesting how she thought this as good as it's 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:49.320 going to get, I'm gonna move on. 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:51.760 Well, okay, I'm gonna come in with a little bit 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.320 of skepticism. I think it's pretty easy to have a 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:59.560 good first date. Here's why. I think, if you're a 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.600 person who can carry on a conversation, a first date 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:07.000 is just like you know, it's the best an interview, right, 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:09.200 the best of us. Yeah, it's an interview for a job. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.560 You're putting your best foot forward, you're hopefully socializing. I mean, 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.880 I know some pretty bad first dates gonna happen, but 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.360 I think it's very possible to have a good first 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.160 date I would deal with Sometimes when I was dating, 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.480 they like a guy would follow up with me and say, 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:23.800 I had a great time. I'd like to take you 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:25.920 out again. And then I'd have to say, look, I 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:27.640 had a nice time, but I just don't feel it, 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.000 and they're confused, and then you have to explain it, 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.160 and the truth is, well, I'm able to carry on 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.480 a conversation. We did carry on a conversation, but I 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:38.080 actually don't think there's more here. So I kind of 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.720 wonder was the first date that amazing or was it 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.320 just you know, they had a good talk. Probably the 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.440 celebrity is a charismatic person. Probably she feels like she 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.800 knows this celebrity because she's a fan, and but really 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:51.120 there there wasn't anything more there. 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.600 You don't get his perspective clearly true. And what I 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.520 find interesting is, you're right, this guy is alone on 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.200 the road. He's lonely. Clearly. 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.280 I think it's semed like he was a stand up comedian. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.160 Because she went I think, to his to a show. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.880 You're right and what I you know, And of course 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.120 she saw the adulation and she sat there on the 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.839 front row of this performance and then they went out, 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:16.560 so obviously a charismatic, funny comedian and spent time with him. 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.280 Would there have been more? Would this person have wanted more? 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.080 He was just on the road. He's moving to the 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:22.880 laugh factory where the chuckle. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.280 Hut's really going to have to put in the effort. 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.080 Yes, is he going to come back to Wisconsin or 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.400 wherever you are to date again? Or we all just 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.680 took it as this one great night and is that 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:33.880 really dating a celebrity? 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.280 Well, there's another two things in my takeaway here. One, 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:39.640 I like that she DMed and I do think if 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.240 you're a celebrity, look, even if you might come across 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.080 someone on Instagram who you're interested in, you can't be 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.920 dming everybody you come across weird, you come across creepy. 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.480 Then people start telling that story, Oh he dms all 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.039 these people or she does, so she reached out. I 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.480 think that was a solid safe thing to do. And 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:00.599 then two, though she did tell the story. Now she 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.760 didn't name who it was, right, but. 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.600 Gosh, but it wouldn't take a lot for a journalist 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.360 to track this down, probably knowing you could find out 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.320 where she lives, because this woman works in kind of 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.400 inn entertainment in a way. She was a publicist, Yeah, publicist, 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.000 so it wouldn't be hard to figure this out. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:19.320 Probably, So this is a big risk for celebrities in 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.800 the social media era. I think about not too long ago, 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.560 a few months ago, Matthew Perry, somebody was messaging with 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.640 him on the dating app Riah, which is supposed to 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.080 be this elite dating app private for people. 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.039 The velvet rope is up and. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:33.720 You're not supposed to do this. It's part of the 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.320 rules of the app. But what real power does the 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.320 app have to tell people not to. The woman like 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.720 screenshot and screen recorded a FaceTime session they had and 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:43.800 posted it on the internet and said, oh, I had 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.560 this really weird FaceTime date with Matthew Perry Chandler from friends, 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.160 and I felt so bad for him and luckily publicly. 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.080 People in the comments said, this is not cool that 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.480 you did this. I think she was trying to get clout, 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.520 get famous from it. But that's the problem. You're living 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.960 in an era where everybody can go post a quick 0:05:58.000 --> 0:05:59.440 TikTok telling the story about you. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.280 I felt the same thing after Jonah Hill, the guy 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.360 just had a baby with somebody else and an ex 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:08.599 girlfriend then goes public with all his insecurities and stuff 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.800 from Instagram and his messages. No, like, it's just I 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:14.360 hate that. 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.520 So there's so many sides to get into on all 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:20.120 of it. But let's turn the tables on you. Because 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.240 I'm in my head, I'm thinking about a lot from 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:26.680 our relationship actually, Like for example, I did DM you, 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.800 like we had kind of had a flirty conversation, but 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.960 I actually made sure to DM you because I thought, 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:35.919 you know, I don't know if a I'm a big 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.440 open the door and if somebody walks through, then that's great, 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:41.400 and if not, just keep going down the hallway. You 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.200 didn't do anything to hurt yourself. You're fine. It's not 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.840 a real rejection. So I'm a big advocate of making 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:49.359 a move. But also I do remember thinking, well, I 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.800 don't know if he like, maybe it'll make him feel 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:53.360 better if I reach out, because I don't know if 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.440 he feels weird, Like did you feel weird when you 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.760 started dating? Of how am I going to pursue people? 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:00.960 Will they tell stories about me? Did you feel that 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:02.520 nervousness or vulnerability? 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:06.839 For sure? Yeah, insecurity and especially I think the added 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:11.080 pressure of you're hosting the biggest dating show in the world. 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.600 What was that added pressure people would judge your data. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:16.640 Yeah, I'm just like, Okay, this guy is now looking 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.960 for love. The jokes kind of right themselves. It's kind 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.400 of like when I got divorced. The late night shows 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.520 had you know, a heyday for a couple of days 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.440 of the jokes of oh, the guy who is all 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.880 about love and creating love and finding love is divorced, 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.880 so sucks it love. Yeah, there is this added pressure 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.960 of when you go on a date and you have 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.360 a little bit of fame and you have a little 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.880 bit of money and you definitely are doing a show 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.840 about love. There's that little added pressure. 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.960 Did you ever have people sign NDA's you never have? 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.280 No, No, God, No, some people do. I know some 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.600 people do. And by the way I understand it, it's 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.960 it sounds so weird and if that stuff gets out, 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.760 you're like, what a weirdo? But or people I know 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.720 other big celebrity and I'm talking big celebrities on different 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:03.760 levels that make sure everybody signs in das. They confiscate 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.480 phones before you come into the room they're in, so 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.640 you can just have you have to be present and 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:10.360 it doesn't mean you can't go tell the story at 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.120 the bar later, but you're not going to have video 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:13.200 and audio. 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.000 Proof right And by the way, an NDA is a 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.840 non disclosure agreement. If anyone doesn't know means you'd sign 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:20.760 it and you'd promise that you're not going to go 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:22.760 tell stories about people and all that. 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.559 How unromantic to have to do that, and it sucks 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.120 that people have to think like that, But I get it. 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.000 I get how you have to think like that because 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.960 you worry about stories, even on a much lesser scale, 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.360 the story. You know, there's websites that are who's who's 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.480 a good tipper, who's not a good tipper at a restaurant? 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.240 So people do love a good story. 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.960 And I well, okay, so I'm going back to you 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:53.360 dating now. So you start dating? Did how did you 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.200 meet people in the beginning? And were you worried that 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:59.800 people would obviously want to date you just because just 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:00.480 to have that. 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.760 Story, I felt like I had to be very careful. 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.760 And I'm also very pretty conservative in my life. Like 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.160 obviously what I do is out loud and it's in 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:13.000 front of millions of people publicly, but my private life, 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.760 I really enjoyed, Like when I was married, nobody cares 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.640 because it's not sexy at all when you're married and 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.800 have kids. When you're single, people are going to take pictures, 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.880 follow and all that stuff. So I all of a 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.839 sudden was living this different life and I realized there 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.040 was a microscope on me. If I went to a 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.640 certain place, someone was going to snap a photo. So 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.560 and I hated thinking like that, like who's staring at us? 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.439 Who's taking a picture? It was a little bit harder 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:38.000 to relax. 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.079 Did you go on any dates where someone obviously had 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.040 just gone on the date with you because you were 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:43.959 the host of The Bachelor? 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:48.120 No, but I got well, I don't know, because that's 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:49.839 the other thing. The other thing is you don't know 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.000 I went on you know. So how I ended up 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.640 meeting people was through friends, and I was I started 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.480 being better about just getting out, like I'll go on 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.360 a trip with friends and I'm just to go out 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.439 and talk to people. Because the great thing about the 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:06.320 show is it's that icebreaker. People will it's a conversation starter, 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.320 so you can at least get there. But then there's 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.040 that line of oh, they are just an uber fan 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:15.440 of the show. Don't take advantage of this as opposed 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.400 to I just have a great connection with this person. 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.200 What is the difference between you love the show and 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.800 you actually may be interested in me? And so I 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:24.920 was a little self conscious of that, but I thought 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:28.240 the flip side was weird is when clearly somebody probably 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.480 knew what you did for a living, but they ignored it. 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:34.280 I went on a date. I was set up on 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.800 this blind date. We were in Hollywood Brentwood, where we 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:41.439 went to dinner, and we sat there at dinner and 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.559 not once. First of all, she didn't ask me a question. 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:44.440 That's a red flag. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.040 Oh that's a red flag. Well but okay, hold on, 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.520 let me ask you. That is my red flag. Always 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:53.560 in any relationship, whether it's friendship, work, romantic, if somebody 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.480 doesn't ask me one question back, I'm like, well, this 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.800 isn't a two way street. I'm exhausted, I'm drained, man, 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.559 I can't keep hopping you up and you're not giving 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:02.280 me anything in return. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:03.760 And it wasn't even the depth. 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.680 But do you think that's them? Is there something where 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.400 people don't ask you any questions back because they don't 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:10.960 want you to. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:12.080 They're worried you're. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:13.920 Going to think, okay, listen, idiot, you don't know what 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.360 I do for a living. But also do you want 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.439 it to be normal? And someone say, hey, so what 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:19.440 do you do? 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.160 Here's what I So. What this person did was they 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.199 took the tact of I'm not going to ask any 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.280 questions about what you do. And that's weird to me. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.720 If I'm on a date and I'm going to just 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.600 sit sit in the woman's side of the chair, aren't 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:33.920 you interested in what this guy does? What do you 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.000 do for a living? What do you do every day? 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.680 Your hot? Whatever? Like? She never asked one question about 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:44.200 my life, So I thought, okay, that's odd. Wouldn't you 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:48.400 want to know that on a date. Then after we ate, 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:53.000 before dessert comes, I love dessert. The couple next to 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.040 us that were sitting very close leaned over said hey, 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:56.559 we didn't want to bother you while you were eating. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.000 We just want to say we love all the shows 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.280 you do, big fans, thanks for everything, And I said, oh, man, 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.920 appreciate it. I turned back to the woman I was 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.160 on a date with. I said, I apologize, I'm sorry 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:12.360 she is that's fine, and never mentioned or asked anything 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.080 after that. So it was just it was the elephant 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.480 in the room. And I get that you didn't want 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.080 to talk about it because, oh, you probably get asked 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.280 about this all the time. What I appreciated was you 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.920 don't have to ask about the show, ask about what 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.440 I do like. Do you like what you do? Do 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.680 you like hosting? What do you like about it? What 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.280 is it about the travel or you know, there's ways 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.760 to talk about it without being a quote unquote fan. 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.080 Without it being well, tell me, okay, so tell me 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:39.840 the truth about last season and that kind of. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.280 Thing, right exactly to get to know the person, which 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.440 is what I would want to do on a date. Anyway. 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.719 Do you remember much about the conversation on our first date? 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.320 Did I ask? I don't remember this stuff? I asked you? 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.280 You just hammered me. It was like a job interview. 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:56.320 You went full Barbara Walters. And we sat there at 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.800 the SOHO House in Malibu and I just answered questions 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:02.560 for like an hour and a half, and then you 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.600 had the goal to later say you talk too much 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:07.959 about yourself on that first day fly. 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.840 You didn't ask me back about myself? No, but do 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.560 you remember what I what kind of stuff I asked 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:13.920 you about. 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:15.920 It was pretty basic because you and I, although you 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.079 would talk to me. The funny thing about us, so 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.840 the interesting thing was we didn't talk much about the 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:25.480 business because you and I had already maybe the thing 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.880 our professional relationship had covered business stuff. You knew about 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:30.640 The Bachelor and the people on it, so I knew 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.439 you knew all that, so we could just talk about family, 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:37.080 growing up, college, like that kind of stuff. So I 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.160 think our our stuff got deeper quicker because we could 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.280 negate that first step. 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:44.920 Which probably speaks to what a private life you lived. 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.040 Because I didn't feel like I, as much as i'd 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.000 been interviewing you for three years, I didn't feel like 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.480 I knew very much about your personal life. 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.080 I was careful about trying to control that even when 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.120 you and I dated. We dated for six months before 0:13:56.160 --> 0:14:00.280 we went public, because we knew that would be a thing. Again, 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.679 that's just one little step, but it's not a huge thing. 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:04.800 But it's just one little thing that you and I 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.120 wanted to think about before we went public because I 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.079 knew it would affect you and your business. 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.040 Well, it's interesting as much as we're saying somebody could 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:17.200 photography or whatever, I was worried when we started dating. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.080 I didn't want yeah you're I didn't want dating you 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:21.920 to affect my career, and it was kind of this 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.600 difficult thing of I knew it would, and so I 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.640 really knew that I wanted it to be serious before 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.640 we became public with it. But I was always pretty 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.200 on edge that someone would take a picture of us 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.760 or something. And so it's just interesting because celebrities might 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.320 say like, oh, you can't, I can't go anywhere, I 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.840 can't do anything. I think to a certain extent, it's 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.680 kind of about where you are. Like you lived in 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.400 sort of the suburbs in La and I don't know 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.120 people just didn't. You kind of knew people locally, they 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.040 were your friends. They weren't really in the business, and 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.320 you didn't really have tourists around, so people weren't really 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:57.440 We could go to dinner and I was snapping a 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.520 picture of us. Now, it did get to the point 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:01.800 I started to get nervous. I think the turning point 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:03.320 for me, and I don't think i've told this story before, 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:08.280 was we were in Cabo in Mexico, and we were 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.800 at kind of a quiet party with a lot of 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:15.360 our friends who aren't in the business, and all our 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.280 friends knew we were dating, but we hadn't gone public yet. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.800 And then I looked up and coming in through the 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:26.200 door were like three women from the most recent season 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.280 of The Bachelor. I don't maybe I don't remember who 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.400 it was, but I remember. I think Christina Shulman was 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:30.880 one of us. 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.440 Yeah, I remember, that's the only one. I remember too. 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.320 And they all obviously know me because I'd been interviewing 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:38.840 them and I know them. And I looked up and 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.240 I saw her, and so quickly my brain went, there's 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.080 no way to explain why I'm here, and so I 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:49.080 ran out of the room into a closet and for 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.960 the for like the next hour of the party, I 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.720 was in the closet and our friend Alyssa brought me 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.360 some snacks. She's like, what are you doing here? But 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:03.320 I didn't want I wasn't ready. I wanted our relationship 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.160 to come out on our term, yeah, And I just 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:08.320 was like, I want to know how to explain this, 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.480 and this is how it would get out. And that 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.120 was really funny. I don't think I've even ever told 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.240 Christina Shulman that, no, no, she's a sweet. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.240 And by the way. She didn't do anything. They just 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.480 showed up at a party where I remember, and I 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.360 had to find you in the closet. I'm like, oh god, 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.080 this is still pretty early days. And I'm like, is 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.880 she mad at me? What did I do? And You're like, no, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.280 I just didn't want this to come out because obviously 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.520 with that information just slipping out, Yeah, that's not how 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.720 we wanted to be broadcasted to the world. So there 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.280 are some interesting layers to this, and it's kind of 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.560 fascinating in this article that came out from this woman 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.640 who went on a date and then the Jonah Hill 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.560 disaster and everything that has happened subsequently. I thought, what 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.800 a great topic today, And I just happened to have 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.320 two good friends who will be so good at leaning 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.120 into this. So when we come back, I'm going to 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.960 talk to Youvanna Firestone, and then Ben Higgins's wife Jessica 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:14.160 Clark on the other side joining me. Now my good 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:20.520 friend Evonna Firestone, wife to former bachelor Andrew Firestone. Three 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:25.480 beautiful kids fifteen years eighteen with Andrew total. There should 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.480 be some sort of award Mother Teresa Award for being 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:31.240 with Andrew Firestone for eighteen years. 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:33.800 I totally agree. 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:39.919 Full disclosure, Lauren LZ and I are dear friends with 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.960 the Firestones. Love you guys, and so I appreciate you 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.080 doing this, and it's kind of a weird topic, but 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.520 I felt like, if I'm going to talk about dating 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.919 a celebrity and really have someone speak the truth, I 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:57.920 need someone I know really well and somebody whose history 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:01.000 I know a little bit too. And so that's why 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.160 I came to you. The reason I wanted to talk 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.000 to you was a obviously, there's the Andrew Firestone of 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.719 it all and entering into not only just the Bachelor world, 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.399 Firestone world and all that, but you and hopefully I'm 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.240 not talking out of school. You have dated other celebrities. 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.080 You were a model and actress in your own right, 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.800 very successful before Andrew, and so you had a dating 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:23.919 life before Andrew. As much as he would like to 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:28.160 forget about that, you did. And you dated a few celebrities, 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.800 one of them one of the biggest celebrities in the world. 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:37.560 We won't out anybody, but you have very specific knowledge 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:39.359 of this topic we're talking about today. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:45.639 I in fact do, But that being said, it was 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.399 an industry that I was in It wasn't something that 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.479 I was seeking out, you know, to date, it's just 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:55.159