1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema comming to you from the 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: home office in Austin, Texas, where we wanted to dive 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: into a very interesting topic today. There was an article 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: written about this woman that had dated a celebrity and 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: she kind of went into the pros and cons, the 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: pluses and minuses about dating this celebrity. And also coming 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: off the Jony Hill's story where his ex kind of 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: came out on Instagram and really went after Jony Hill, 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: Laura and I just started talking about what's it like 11 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: dating a celebrity and can we chase anybody down who's 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,319 Speaker 1: dated a celebrity? So we have a couple guests coming 13 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: up we're going to talk to about this subject. But 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: it's also something that well, Elzina and I know a 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: little something about. 16 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: Well. 17 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 3: I was going to say, that's what's so funny that 18 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 3: you're like, when did to chase the people down? I'm like, 19 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 3: I'm right in front of you, man, when I dated you, 20 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: you were a little famous. You know it might still 21 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 3: be so yeah, I went through that myself, But who 22 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: did you chase down? The book for today. 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: Coming up our good friend Evanna Firestone, who obviously fell 24 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: in love with dated, then married and had children with 25 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: Andrew Firestone. 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: One of the best bachelor's ever, one of the. 27 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: Best bachelors ever. Great man obviously comes from a very 28 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: famous family and was a popular figure when they But 29 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: the thing about Evanna, it's not just about Andrew. There 30 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: are other famous people life. 31 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: Because she was a model and an actress herself. 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: Exactly, So there was a life before Andrew. So she 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: is going to give a great perspective. And then someone 34 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: that I just want to embarrass and really out on 35 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: this program is Ben Higgins. So his wife Jessica Clark 36 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: is coming on. 37 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: So what was the story of the article? Does she 38 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: reveal who the celebrity was? 39 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: First of all, no, And that was part of reading 40 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: the article was like, Okay, who is this? Who is this? 41 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: So she never reveals who the celebrity is. Seems like 42 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: a very big celebrity. But he happened to be in 43 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: her town working. She slid into the DMS, he reached 44 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: back out quickly. She was very proactive about trying to 45 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: move it out of DMS and meet for coffee. The 46 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: coffee led to a date they spent an amazing evening together. 47 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: It sounds like it didn't get very romantic or sexual, 48 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: if you're wondering if it did. She didn't divulge that fact. 49 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: But she had this amazing connection in this chemistry. But 50 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: what was interesting about the takeaway was she knew that 51 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: was probably it, and that's what was best. They didn't 52 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: pursue a relationship. She knew there would probably be nothing 53 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: beyond that. And there's that old thing about never meet 54 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: your heroes. Never, I guess date your heroes in this perspective, 55 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: But interesting how she thought this as good as it's 56 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: going to get, I'm gonna move on. 57 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: Well, okay, I'm gonna come in with a little bit 58 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 3: of skepticism. I think it's pretty easy to have a 59 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: good first date. Here's why. I think, if you're a 60 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 3: person who can carry on a conversation, a first date 61 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: is just like you know, it's the best an interview, right, 62 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: the best of us. Yeah, it's an interview for a job. 63 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: You're putting your best foot forward, you're hopefully socializing. I mean, 64 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: I know some pretty bad first dates gonna happen, but 65 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 3: I think it's very possible to have a good first 66 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: date I would deal with Sometimes when I was dating, 67 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: they like a guy would follow up with me and say, 68 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 3: I had a great time. I'd like to take you 69 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 3: out again. And then I'd have to say, look, I 70 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 3: had a nice time, but I just don't feel it, 71 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: and they're confused, and then you have to explain it, 72 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: and the truth is, well, I'm able to carry on 73 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: a conversation. We did carry on a conversation, but I 74 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: actually don't think there's more here. So I kind of 75 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: wonder was the first date that amazing or was it 76 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 3: just you know, they had a good talk. Probably the 77 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 3: celebrity is a charismatic person. Probably she feels like she 78 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: knows this celebrity because she's a fan, and but really 79 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: there there wasn't anything more there. 80 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: You don't get his perspective clearly true. And what I 81 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: find interesting is, you're right, this guy is alone on 82 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: the road. He's lonely. Clearly. 83 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: I think it's semed like he was a stand up comedian. 84 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 3: Because she went I think, to his to a show. 85 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: You're right and what I you know, And of course 86 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: she saw the adulation and she sat there on the 87 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,839 Speaker 1: front row of this performance and then they went out, 88 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: so obviously a charismatic, funny comedian and spent time with him. 89 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: Would there have been more? Would this person have wanted more? 90 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: He was just on the road. He's moving to the 91 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: laugh factory where the chuckle. 92 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 3: Hut's really going to have to put in the effort. 93 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: Yes, is he going to come back to Wisconsin or 94 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: wherever you are to date again? Or we all just 95 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: took it as this one great night and is that 96 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: really dating a celebrity? 97 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 3: Well, there's another two things in my takeaway here. One, 98 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: I like that she DMed and I do think if 99 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: you're a celebrity, look, even if you might come across 100 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: someone on Instagram who you're interested in, you can't be 101 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 3: dming everybody you come across weird, you come across creepy. 102 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 3: Then people start telling that story, Oh he dms all 103 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 3: these people or she does, so she reached out. I 104 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: think that was a solid safe thing to do. And 105 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 3: then two, though she did tell the story. Now she 106 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: didn't name who it was, right, but. 107 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: Gosh, but it wouldn't take a lot for a journalist 108 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: to track this down, probably knowing you could find out 109 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: where she lives, because this woman works in kind of 110 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: inn entertainment in a way. She was a publicist, Yeah, publicist, 111 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: so it wouldn't be hard to figure this out. 112 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: Probably, So this is a big risk for celebrities in 113 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 3: the social media era. I think about not too long ago, 114 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: a few months ago, Matthew Perry, somebody was messaging with 115 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 3: him on the dating app Riah, which is supposed to 116 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: be this elite dating app private for people. 117 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: The velvet rope is up and. 118 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 3: You're not supposed to do this. It's part of the 119 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 3: rules of the app. But what real power does the 120 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: app have to tell people not to. The woman like 121 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 3: screenshot and screen recorded a FaceTime session they had and 122 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 3: posted it on the internet and said, oh, I had 123 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: this really weird FaceTime date with Matthew Perry Chandler from friends, 124 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 3: and I felt so bad for him and luckily publicly. 125 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: People in the comments said, this is not cool that 126 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 3: you did this. I think she was trying to get clout, 127 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: get famous from it. But that's the problem. You're living 128 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 3: in an era where everybody can go post a quick 129 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: TikTok telling the story about you. 130 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: I felt the same thing after Jonah Hill, the guy 131 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: just had a baby with somebody else and an ex 132 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: girlfriend then goes public with all his insecurities and stuff 133 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: from Instagram and his messages. No, like, it's just I 134 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: hate that. 135 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: So there's so many sides to get into on all 136 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: of it. But let's turn the tables on you. Because 137 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 3: I'm in my head, I'm thinking about a lot from 138 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: our relationship actually, Like for example, I did DM you, 139 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: like we had kind of had a flirty conversation, but 140 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: I actually made sure to DM you because I thought, 141 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if a I'm a big 142 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: open the door and if somebody walks through, then that's great, 143 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 3: and if not, just keep going down the hallway. You 144 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: didn't do anything to hurt yourself. You're fine. It's not 145 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 3: a real rejection. So I'm a big advocate of making 146 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 3: a move. But also I do remember thinking, well, I 147 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 3: don't know if he like, maybe it'll make him feel 148 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 3: better if I reach out, because I don't know if 149 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 3: he feels weird, Like did you feel weird when you 150 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: started dating? Of how am I going to pursue people? 151 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: Will they tell stories about me? Did you feel that 152 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 3: nervousness or vulnerability? 153 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: For sure? Yeah, insecurity and especially I think the added 154 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: pressure of you're hosting the biggest dating show in the world. 155 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 3: What was that added pressure people would judge your data. 156 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just like, Okay, this guy is now looking 157 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: for love. The jokes kind of right themselves. It's kind 158 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: of like when I got divorced. The late night shows 159 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: had you know, a heyday for a couple of days 160 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: of the jokes of oh, the guy who is all 161 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: about love and creating love and finding love is divorced, 162 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: so sucks it love. Yeah, there is this added pressure 163 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: of when you go on a date and you have 164 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: a little bit of fame and you have a little 165 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: bit of money and you definitely are doing a show 166 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: about love. There's that little added pressure. 167 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: Did you ever have people sign NDA's you never have? 168 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: No, No, God, No, some people do. I know some 169 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: people do. And by the way I understand it, it's 170 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: it sounds so weird and if that stuff gets out, 171 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: you're like, what a weirdo? But or people I know 172 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: other big celebrity and I'm talking big celebrities on different 173 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: levels that make sure everybody signs in das. They confiscate 174 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: phones before you come into the room they're in, so 175 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: you can just have you have to be present and 176 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you can't go tell the story at 177 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: the bar later, but you're not going to have video 178 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: and audio. 179 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 3: Proof right And by the way, an NDA is a 180 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: non disclosure agreement. If anyone doesn't know means you'd sign 181 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: it and you'd promise that you're not going to go 182 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: tell stories about people and all that. 183 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,559 Speaker 1: How unromantic to have to do that, and it sucks 184 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: that people have to think like that, But I get it. 185 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: I get how you have to think like that because 186 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: you worry about stories, even on a much lesser scale, 187 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: the story. You know, there's websites that are who's who's 188 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: a good tipper, who's not a good tipper at a restaurant? 189 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: So people do love a good story. 190 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 3: And I well, okay, so I'm going back to you 191 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 3: dating now. So you start dating? Did how did you 192 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: meet people in the beginning? And were you worried that 193 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 3: people would obviously want to date you just because just 194 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 3: to have that. 195 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: Story, I felt like I had to be very careful. 196 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: And I'm also very pretty conservative in my life. Like 197 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: obviously what I do is out loud and it's in 198 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: front of millions of people publicly, but my private life, 199 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed, Like when I was married, nobody cares 200 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: because it's not sexy at all when you're married and 201 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: have kids. When you're single, people are going to take pictures, 202 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: follow and all that stuff. So I all of a 203 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: sudden was living this different life and I realized there 204 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: was a microscope on me. If I went to a 205 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: certain place, someone was going to snap a photo. So 206 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: and I hated thinking like that, like who's staring at us? 207 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: Who's taking a picture? It was a little bit harder 208 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: to relax. 209 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 3: Did you go on any dates where someone obviously had 210 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 3: just gone on the date with you because you were 211 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 3: the host of The Bachelor? 212 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: No, but I got well, I don't know, because that's 213 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: the other thing. The other thing is you don't know 214 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: I went on you know. So how I ended up 215 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: meeting people was through friends, and I was I started 216 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: being better about just getting out, like I'll go on 217 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: a trip with friends and I'm just to go out 218 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: and talk to people. Because the great thing about the 219 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: show is it's that icebreaker. People will it's a conversation starter, 220 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: so you can at least get there. But then there's 221 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: that line of oh, they are just an uber fan 222 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: of the show. Don't take advantage of this as opposed 223 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: to I just have a great connection with this person. 224 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: What is the difference between you love the show and 225 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: you actually may be interested in me? And so I 226 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: was a little self conscious of that, but I thought 227 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: the flip side was weird is when clearly somebody probably 228 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: knew what you did for a living, but they ignored it. 229 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: I went on a date. I was set up on 230 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: this blind date. We were in Hollywood Brentwood, where we 231 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: went to dinner, and we sat there at dinner and 232 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: not once. First of all, she didn't ask me a question. 233 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: That's a red flag. 234 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: Oh that's a red flag. Well but okay, hold on, 235 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 3: let me ask you. That is my red flag. Always 236 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 3: in any relationship, whether it's friendship, work, romantic, if somebody 237 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: doesn't ask me one question back, I'm like, well, this 238 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 3: isn't a two way street. I'm exhausted, I'm drained, man, 239 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 3: I can't keep hopping you up and you're not giving 240 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 3: me anything in return. 241 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: And it wasn't even the depth. 242 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 3: But do you think that's them? Is there something where 243 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: people don't ask you any questions back because they don't 244 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 3: want you to. 245 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 4: They're worried you're. 246 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 3: Going to think, okay, listen, idiot, you don't know what 247 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 3: I do for a living. But also do you want 248 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 3: it to be normal? And someone say, hey, so what 249 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 3: do you do? 250 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: Here's what I So. What this person did was they 251 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: took the tact of I'm not going to ask any 252 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: questions about what you do. And that's weird to me. 253 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: If I'm on a date and I'm going to just 254 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: sit sit in the woman's side of the chair, aren't 255 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: you interested in what this guy does? What do you 256 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: do for a living? What do you do every day? 257 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: Your hot? Whatever? Like? She never asked one question about 258 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: my life, So I thought, okay, that's odd. Wouldn't you 259 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: want to know that on a date. Then after we ate, 260 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: before dessert comes, I love dessert. The couple next to 261 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: us that were sitting very close leaned over said hey, 262 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: we didn't want to bother you while you were eating. 263 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: We just want to say we love all the shows 264 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: you do, big fans, thanks for everything, And I said, oh, man, 265 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: appreciate it. I turned back to the woman I was 266 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: on a date with. I said, I apologize, I'm sorry 267 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: she is that's fine, and never mentioned or asked anything 268 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: after that. So it was just it was the elephant 269 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: in the room. And I get that you didn't want 270 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: to talk about it because, oh, you probably get asked 271 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: about this all the time. What I appreciated was you 272 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: don't have to ask about the show, ask about what 273 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: I do like. Do you like what you do? Do 274 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: you like hosting? What do you like about it? What 275 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: is it about the travel or you know, there's ways 276 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: to talk about it without being a quote unquote fan. 277 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 3: Without it being well, tell me, okay, so tell me 278 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 3: the truth about last season and that kind of. 279 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: Thing, right exactly to get to know the person, which 280 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: is what I would want to do on a date. Anyway. 281 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 3: Do you remember much about the conversation on our first date? 282 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: Did I ask? I don't remember this stuff? I asked you? 283 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: You just hammered me. It was like a job interview. 284 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: You went full Barbara Walters. And we sat there at 285 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: the SOHO House in Malibu and I just answered questions 286 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: for like an hour and a half, and then you 287 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: had the goal to later say you talk too much 288 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: about yourself on that first day fly. 289 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 3: You didn't ask me back about myself? No, but do 290 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 3: you remember what I what kind of stuff I asked 291 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 3: you about. 292 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: It was pretty basic because you and I, although you 293 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: would talk to me. The funny thing about us, so 294 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: the interesting thing was we didn't talk much about the 295 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: business because you and I had already maybe the thing 296 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: our professional relationship had covered business stuff. You knew about 297 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: The Bachelor and the people on it, so I knew 298 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: you knew all that, so we could just talk about family, 299 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: growing up, college, like that kind of stuff. So I 300 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: think our our stuff got deeper quicker because we could 301 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: negate that first step. 302 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: Which probably speaks to what a private life you lived. 303 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 3: Because I didn't feel like I, as much as i'd 304 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 3: been interviewing you for three years, I didn't feel like 305 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 3: I knew very much about your personal life. 306 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: I was careful about trying to control that even when 307 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: you and I dated. We dated for six months before 308 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: we went public, because we knew that would be a thing. Again, 309 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: that's just one little step, but it's not a huge thing. 310 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: But it's just one little thing that you and I 311 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: wanted to think about before we went public because I 312 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 1: knew it would affect you and your business. 313 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting as much as we're saying somebody could 314 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 3: photography or whatever, I was worried when we started dating. 315 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 3: I didn't want yeah you're I didn't want dating you 316 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 3: to affect my career, and it was kind of this 317 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: difficult thing of I knew it would, and so I 318 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: really knew that I wanted it to be serious before 319 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: we became public with it. But I was always pretty 320 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 3: on edge that someone would take a picture of us 321 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: or something. And so it's just interesting because celebrities might 322 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 3: say like, oh, you can't, I can't go anywhere, I 323 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 3: can't do anything. I think to a certain extent, it's 324 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 3: kind of about where you are. Like you lived in 325 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 3: sort of the suburbs in La and I don't know 326 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 3: people just didn't. You kind of knew people locally, they 327 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 3: were your friends. They weren't really in the business, and 328 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 3: you didn't really have tourists around, so people weren't really 329 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: We could go to dinner and I was snapping a 330 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: picture of us. Now, it did get to the point 331 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 3: I started to get nervous. I think the turning point 332 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: for me, and I don't think i've told this story before, 333 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 3: was we were in Cabo in Mexico, and we were 334 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: at kind of a quiet party with a lot of 335 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: our friends who aren't in the business, and all our 336 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 3: friends knew we were dating, but we hadn't gone public yet. 337 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: And then I looked up and coming in through the 338 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: door were like three women from the most recent season 339 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: of The Bachelor. I don't maybe I don't remember who 340 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: it was, but I remember. I think Christina Shulman was 341 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 3: one of us. 342 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember, that's the only one. I remember too. 343 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: And they all obviously know me because I'd been interviewing 344 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: them and I know them. And I looked up and 345 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: I saw her, and so quickly my brain went, there's 346 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 3: no way to explain why I'm here, and so I 347 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: ran out of the room into a closet and for 348 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 3: the for like the next hour of the party, I 349 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: was in the closet and our friend Alyssa brought me 350 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 3: some snacks. She's like, what are you doing here? But 351 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 3: I didn't want I wasn't ready. I wanted our relationship 352 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: to come out on our term, yeah, And I just 353 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 3: was like, I want to know how to explain this, 354 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 3: and this is how it would get out. And that 355 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: was really funny. I don't think I've even ever told 356 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 3: Christina Shulman that, no, no, she's a sweet. 357 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: And by the way. She didn't do anything. They just 358 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: showed up at a party where I remember, and I 359 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: had to find you in the closet. I'm like, oh god, 360 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: this is still pretty early days. And I'm like, is 361 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: she mad at me? What did I do? And You're like, no, 362 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: I just didn't want this to come out because obviously 363 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: with that information just slipping out, Yeah, that's not how 364 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: we wanted to be broadcasted to the world. So there 365 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: are some interesting layers to this, and it's kind of 366 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: fascinating in this article that came out from this woman 367 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: who went on a date and then the Jonah Hill 368 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: disaster and everything that has happened subsequently. I thought, what 369 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: a great topic today, And I just happened to have 370 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: two good friends who will be so good at leaning 371 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: into this. So when we come back, I'm going to 372 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: talk to Youvanna Firestone, and then Ben Higgins's wife Jessica 373 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: Clark on the other side joining me. Now my good 374 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: friend Evonna Firestone, wife to former bachelor Andrew Firestone. Three 375 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: beautiful kids fifteen years eighteen with Andrew total. There should 376 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: be some sort of award Mother Teresa Award for being 377 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: with Andrew Firestone for eighteen years. 378 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 4: I totally agree. 379 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: Full disclosure, Lauren LZ and I are dear friends with 380 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: the Firestones. Love you guys, and so I appreciate you 381 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: doing this, and it's kind of a weird topic, but 382 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: I felt like, if I'm going to talk about dating 383 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: a celebrity and really have someone speak the truth, I 384 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: need someone I know really well and somebody whose history 385 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: I know a little bit too. And so that's why 386 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: I came to you. The reason I wanted to talk 387 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: to you was a obviously, there's the Andrew Firestone of 388 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,719 Speaker 1: it all and entering into not only just the Bachelor world, 389 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: Firestone world and all that, but you and hopefully I'm 390 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: not talking out of school. You have dated other celebrities. 391 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: You were a model and actress in your own right, 392 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: very successful before Andrew, and so you had a dating 393 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: life before Andrew. As much as he would like to 394 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: forget about that, you did. And you dated a few celebrities, 395 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: one of them one of the biggest celebrities in the world. 396 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: We won't out anybody, but you have very specific knowledge 397 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: of this topic we're talking about today. 398 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 4: I in fact do, But that being said, it was 399 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 4: an industry that I was in It wasn't something that 400 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 4: I was seeking out, you know, to date, it's just 401 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 4: so happened. You know, you're kind of dating people that 402 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 4: are in your industry, are around, So it wasn't you know, 403 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 4: that big of a deal back in the day. And 404 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 4: a couple of these people, they weren't such a big 405 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 4: deal back then. Right now, it's a different story. 406 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: Oh, good point. I guess I didn't think about that. 407 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: I guess really neither one of them was a huge deal. 408 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: They both wanted to be, but they weren't. Y'all were 409 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: all kind of aspiring at the same time. 410 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 4: Exactly. 411 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: That's a good point and probably an important thing of 412 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: when you come up together and you are on equal footing, 413 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: it probably makes it a little easier. 414 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I wouldn't say that it was equal footing 415 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 4: back in that day. I was definitely trying and you know, 416 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 4: working and trying my hardest to succeed. 417 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: What were the pitfalls that you ran into in dating 418 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: celebrities and not even getting into the andrew of it 419 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: all yet, but just what were some of the things 420 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: you thought, oh, this is kind of a pain in 421 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: the butt. 422 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 4: Well, I think that if you're dating someone that is 423 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 4: so driven, and I put you in this category. I mean, 424 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 4: you've worked hard your entire career. If somebody is that driven, 425 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 4: they're only going to have a certain amount of time 426 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 4: to dedicate to you. And that doesn't necessarily mean that 427 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 4: they don't like you or you're not you know, good 428 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 4: enough or whatever. Their number one is their career interesting. 429 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: That's very ith and that goes for not just celebrities 430 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: like little, just everybody in general. If you are dating 431 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: a very high functioning individual man or woman, you're not 432 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: always going to be top of the list. 433 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 4: No, absolutely not. And I if you can understand that 434 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 4: it's not you because I know, I know for a fact, 435 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 4: like I'm very comfortable in my own skin, but this 436 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 4: person is crazy driven. So you just have to realize 437 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 4: what you want out of a relationship. The time sped 438 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 4: together was so crazy fun, yeah, but then gone. 439 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: You know, well, I guess it's interesting too, especially when 440 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: you're at that level, when you're in the grind mode. 441 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: Maybe if you got them to that a list level 442 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: and you were dating them, then it may have been 443 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: there may have been other pitfalls, but at least you 444 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: have control of your schedule and your calendar. When you 445 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: were in that grind mode and you were trying to 446 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: really make that next big step to that elite level. 447 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: Yet there is no there is no room, and when 448 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: people call you go, and if there's an opportunity, you go. 449 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean I don't love you or don't 450 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: care about you, but I mean LZ and I ran 451 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: into that same thing. And when we started dating, I 452 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: forced a situation for us to kind of go on 453 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: a trip together because I told her, I'm about to 454 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: leave for the next eight to ten weeks. We're not 455 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: going to be together when we get back. You're going 456 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: to go off and date twenty other people. And I 457 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: know you're a very sought after woman, So I had 458 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: to force the situation a little earlier than I normally would. Exactly, Yeah, 459 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: what were the what were the good parts of it? 460 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 4: So, I mean, you get to go to cool events. 461 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 4: Dates are very very curated. You know, they'll they have 462 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 4: someone that can plan that for you, right like you know, 463 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 4: it's fun and exciting, and you're always in the fun 464 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 4: part that you know, whatever's happening, you're invited to the 465 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: type of thing. 466 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: The velvet rope is always coming down, you always get 467 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,479 Speaker 1: the parking spot. You always get in the club, you 468 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: always get the table service, you get in the good restaurant, 469 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: you get the reservation, you get the show tickets. Yeah, 470 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: a lot of those hurdles come down quickly, and that's 471 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: a nice that's a nice ride, and it makes that person. Well, 472 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: I'll ask you, does it make the person you're dating 473 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: a little bit more attractive? 474 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 4: Absolutely? I mean for me, that's interesting, Like I want 475 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 4: to be with someone that is desired, you know, that's 476 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 4: just what it is, right, Like, that's exciting, so of course, 477 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 4: but then you have the other stuff and you just 478 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 4: need to see what works for you. 479 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: When you and Andrew came to be, and it was 480 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: after he did The Bachelor, did you know anything about him? 481 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: Did you know he was former Bachelor and all that? 482 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 4: Quite honestly, No, I did know his face. I think 483 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 4: i'd seen him on like a tabloid magazine or something 484 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 4: like that in the grocery store. I hadn't invested much 485 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 4: time in knowing who he was exactly. At that time. 486 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 4: I was doing a series and I was gone while 487 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 4: his show was airing. I was gone, So but I 488 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 4: did recognize his face because I follow pop culture and 489 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 4: stuff like that. I remember seeing him at a party 490 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 4: once but never talking to him. 491 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: Oh before, Oh yeah, because he told me the story 492 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: and I'm not talking out of school that Andrew chased 493 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: you and became absolutely obsessed with you. The night we 494 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: shot it was either the tell all. Yeah, it was 495 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: the tell all for Jen Chef's season. He had a 496 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: couple hours to kill before he went to the airport, 497 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: went to a bar or a party or something, and 498 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: met you, fell head over heels in love with you 499 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: that moment, as Andrew tends to do, and then annoyingly, 500 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: this is back in the day when you had to 501 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: use probably numbers to text people. Texted you five thousand 502 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: times in his plane ride from LA to New York, 503 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: and so he very much pursued you when you started 504 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: dating him, and you realize everybody's coming up to him saying, hey, 505 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: you're the bachelor. You're the bachelor. I feel like I 506 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: know you. What was that like for you? 507 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 4: So it wasn't that out of the ordinary, right, just 508 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 4: being in LA and doing all that. What Andrew did 509 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 4: well was always make me feel no matter what, that 510 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 4: I was important and all those things that need to 511 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 4: happen to make a person feel secure. Right, So it 512 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 4: doesn't matter who's coming up and the attention that he's 513 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 4: giving back because he's a good person and all those things. 514 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 4: But once you know that this person's got you, you're fine. 515 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 516 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 4: And now how it's kind of attractive too, right, Like 517 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 4: you know, other girls think he's cute. Oh great, but 518 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 4: I'm the one, right, I know. 519 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: I'm going home with him. That is a huge You 520 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: just said something so well there. That is important in 521 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: every relationship. And guys, I can't tell you this enough, 522 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: and ladies as well, but prioritize your person, make them 523 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: feel special in every instance, whether you're at a party, 524 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: whether you are walking into a movie whatever, when you're 525 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: in that crowd of people, for that person to know 526 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: just that reassuring hand on the show, whatever it is, 527 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: that is a huge thing. It really is, and it's 528 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: something I will be honest. I was terrible at my 529 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: first marriage. I was not good at that when I 530 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: was coming up and grinding and I didn't do a 531 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: very good job of that. And I am so much 532 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: better about it now. It's such an important thing in 533 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: a relationship. 534 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think when it's right, it's right. And 535 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 4: when you want to give someone that sort of attention, 536 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 4: you know, just to make and he could talk to 537 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 4: anyone in the room. I don't care, right, but as 538 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 4: long as I know we're have fun. 539 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: Elsie and I have this great thing where I always 540 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: say I could just look at her across the room 541 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: and you just you give him that look and she'll 542 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: give you that smile and you just know. And that's 543 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: just that's all you need. That's all you need to 544 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: have that connection with Andrew. You know, he had this 545 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: thing about him. He was the first bachelor that paid 546 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: for his own ring. He paid, he didn't take any money. 547 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: Probably dumb of him to do that. If he go back, 548 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: I would have told him at least take some money. 549 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: But is he was he that guy when you were dating? 550 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 4: Absolutely? 551 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: The other was like a week ago and I was 552 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: in Santa Barbara with you guys and we were at 553 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: this place and Andrews sent your kids to go get 554 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: me a hat from this place we were at, and 555 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: he just because he's that kind of guy, He's like, oh, 556 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: we had a good day today, Hey go get mister 557 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: Harrison a hat. And your kids sprinted off and like 558 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: got me a hat. And I'm like, it's such an 559 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: Andrew thing to do. But he is the consummate gentleman. 560 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 4: He absolutely is. But yeah, he you know, hard work, 561 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 4: he wants to earn things, and yeah, he won't take 562 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 4: a freebee. 563 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: One of the things I think is always important about 564 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: bachelor couples, and I know you guys weren't a bachelor couple, 565 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: but I think this goes for every couple. Once you 566 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: realize you're established, you're dating, you're married because getting away 567 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: and living your life. You guys moved off to Santa Barbara. 568 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: You have a very quiet, pretty private life. I know 569 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: you know Andrew's hosting events, you are charing events. So 570 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: y'all are unbelievably active in the community. You are very 571 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: face forward, but I would argue your private life is 572 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: unbelievably private, and you guys protect that, and I think that's. 573 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 4: Huge, absolutely, But I think with the whole Firestone name, 574 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 4: people have ideas of what our life might be, and 575 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 4: I mean, you know it's Instagram life versus reality, right always, yeah, 576 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 4: and how you pitch things, and we're just not those people. 577 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 4: My husband's a very hard working man that's going to 578 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 4: go you know, earnest keep and that whole thing. So 579 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 4: it's funny. Yes we are private, but we're not at 580 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 4: all what people think we are flashy or you know. 581 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: You bring up an interesting question and something I've actually 582 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: never really talked to you guys about. What would you 583 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: say carries more weight? And when I say weight, I 584 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: mean something you probably feel like you have to live 585 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: up to or deal with more? Is it Bachelor Nation 586 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: World or having a Firestone name? 587 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 4: Hands down, the Firestone name. Yeah, I think that is 588 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 4: a hard thing to live up to. Absolutely. 589 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: I mean it's something we definitely leaned into on the show. 590 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: I mean his family goes back to American Royalty and 591 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: Harvey Firestone and so it's something that I know he's 592 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: dealt with his whole life. And then when you come 593 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: in you have to be a part of It's, you 594 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: know a little bit like marrying into the royal family. 595 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: A royal name here in America was something that now 596 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: you have to carry on. 597 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 4: There's a lot of pressure on all those kids to 598 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 4: be successful, to be good humans, all the things. 599 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: You're right, His dad, Brooks Firestone set that standard, that 600 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: entrepreneurial spirit of you will go out and grind, you 601 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: will find your way, and like his brother with the brewery, 602 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: and Andrew has done amazingly well with his business and 603 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: real estate, and so I am so proud to see 604 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: those guys. And they could have easily rested on their laurels. 605 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: None of them did. Somehow his mom and dad were 606 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: able to put that fire in his belly and with 607 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: all the kids, that is a huge attribute. I'm sure 608 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: a turn on for you. 609 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, That's what I fell in love. 610 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: With, right, It's what we all fell in love with, 611 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: and it's why we fell in love with you, Yvonna. 612 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: Thank you for. 613 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 4: Joining me, Thank you so much for having me. 614 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: When I thought about doing this show, this episode on 615 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: this topic dating celebrities, there was one person I had 616 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: to reach out to, and that is jess Clark. That 617 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: is Ben Higgins's wife. And everybody knows I'm good friends 618 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: with Ben. Everybody knows I love and adore him, but 619 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: he's also a mess, and so anytime I get a 620 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: chance to also take shots at Ben, I'm all in. 621 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: And so I brought in my secret weapon, Jessica Clark, 622 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: to talk about this. But I also, honestly, first of all, 623 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: thank you for being here, Jessica. I appreciate it. 624 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 2: Of course, anytime, like I said anything for you, but I. 625 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: Really wanted to talk to you because we have been 626 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 1: in public together as a group and there are two people, 627 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: two bachelors, and so I had have on a firestone 628 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: on right before you. And Andrew is like, is this 629 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: type of person? And Ben so much so that I 630 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: actually wanted to introduce Ben and Andrew together, and we did. 631 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: We got together and played golf. They are very similar people. 632 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: They're very similar bachelors and that they are ridiculously beloved 633 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: and that's a wonderful thing. But as this person's wife, 634 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: I could see how that could be problematic at times. 635 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 2: I you know, I think the only problem I've ever 636 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: found with it is when we first started dating, because 637 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: I was so unfamiliar with Bachelor Nation that I didn't 638 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 2: realize what I was getting myself into. 639 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: Because he slid into your DMS. 640 00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 4: He did. 641 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: He probably saw some hot track picture just by the 642 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: way an insane athlete ran track in college. He slid 643 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: into your DMS. What were your thoughts when you got 644 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: this guy with a blue check mark just slid into 645 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: my DMS. 646 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, first I have to say he slid into 647 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 2: my DMS after seeing a photo of me and my dad. 648 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: So my biggest joke is did he want to marry 649 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 2: me or did he want my dad as a father 650 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 2: in law? That very still out because they love each other. 651 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: But when he slid in, I saw the blue Chick 652 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: check mark, and obviously he has like a million plus followers, 653 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 2: and I was like, what in the world who is 654 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 2: this person? Because a little background on me. I was 655 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: selling light fixtures to new construction in Nashville, so was 656 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 2: far from this world, and my mom was familiar with 657 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 2: who Bin was. So I kind of took polls from 658 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 2: my family to see if anyone knew this person, and 659 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: it was like, well, the only solution is to figure 660 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: out how he found you, because we have no idea. 661 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: So that was where it all started. 662 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: So he stumbled across this picture he DMS you, and 663 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: where does it go from there? And how quickly? 664 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 2: So we DM back and forth and there's this immediate connection, 665 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: which I can't really explain because it's over kind of 666 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 2: text message and it's like, how can you connect with someone? 667 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 4: But it was just easy banter. 668 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: Then he pulled the old like never check my dms, 669 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: give me your number, So I did. 670 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: Smart boy. I like that get it off DMS as 671 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: fast as. 672 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 4: You can, exactly exactly. So we're texting back and forth 673 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 4: and this is the most been thing ever. 674 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 2: But he had listened to a talk on generosity and 675 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 2: he wants to know my thoughts on if it was 676 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 2: more generous to give with time or money. 677 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 4: And at that point, I was making. 678 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,959 Speaker 2: Less than minimum wage and I was completely broke, and 679 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 2: I didn't want to come off as selfish, so I 680 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 2: sent him a voice memo and kind of explained myself 681 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: of why it was really hard for me to give 682 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 2: with money at the time, and he immediately called me. 683 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 2: We talked for like thirty minutes, and then when he 684 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: hung up, he was like, well, well, if anything, I 685 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 2: got a great friend out of this. And I was like, well, 686 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 2: I'm never hearing it from this guy again, Like I 687 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 2: blew it. Yeah, But then we FaceTime that night, and 688 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 2: three weeks later I flew out to Denver. 689 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: That's amazing, And the rest is yea now history, as 690 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: y'all bet married and living this wonderful life together. So 691 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: one of the things is I said about Andrew Firestone 692 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: and Ben Higgins. I had a woman the other day 693 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: come up to me and she stops me. We're at 694 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: the gym, and she's like, oh my god, Chris, I 695 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: have to tell you. And first of all, I don't 696 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: know this woman either, but all of a sudden, she 697 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: just acted like we knew each other. I have to 698 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: tell you how embarrassing this was. I ran into Ben 699 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: and Jess at some coffee shop or something like that, 700 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: and I was with my husband and I just went 701 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: up and started talking to Ben and we talked for 702 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 1: like twenty minutes. Because I mean, it's been and because 703 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: so people feel like they know him, people adore him, 704 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: and it's it's obviously what you see is what you get. 705 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: I will admit he's a wonderful man. But at the 706 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: same time, you have to share that part. And so 707 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: you entered into what you now know as Bachelor Nation 708 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: and you have this beloved figure. How did you navigate 709 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: those waters and was it difficult? 710 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 2: I think the strangers or the you know, the people 711 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 2: that watch the show and come up and talk to Ben, 712 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 2: that's never bothered me as much as when I've seen 713 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 2: scenes of the show that bothers me more interesting, just 714 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 2: because like, you know that the people you've dated in 715 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 2: the past have exes and stuff like that. They can 716 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 2: tell you all about it, but you don't have to 717 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: see the way that they've looked at them, because like 718 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,720 Speaker 2: the way they've looked at them is the way they look. 719 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 4: At you, you know what I mean. 720 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, like the scenes of the show have bothered 721 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 2: me more than people coming up and thinking they know Ben, 722 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 2: because like you said, with Ben, it's what you see 723 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 2: is what you get, and so it's more like almost 724 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 2: a reassurance that I'm just dating the most pure and 725 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 2: kind and just true person or I'm married to now. 726 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's I think it's more of like that 727 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 2: that's such a respect thing for him, and it means 728 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 2: so much to him because he was the Bachelor so 729 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 2: long ago, so that's never really been an issue. And 730 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 2: I think it also was like he really eased me 731 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 2: into that as we were dating. We went seven months 732 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 2: without a photo of us or really any kind of 733 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 2: public appearance outside of like our little homes. 734 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: So it's slow. 735 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I was really eased into that. But no, 736 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 2: it's it's more the scenes from the show that. 737 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: Did you watch, Like did you go back and watch 738 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: the season? And you know he did Bachelor, He was 739 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: on Bachelor Winter Games, and so did you go back 740 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: and watch these and if so, like, did you stop. 741 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: I've never intentionally watched it. It's more been like if 742 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 2: we've been watching the show and there's been a preview 743 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 2: or flashback, or one time we were doing a podcast 744 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 2: together and we were watching like an upcoming Bachelor thing 745 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 2: and there was a flashback of him and like his finale. Yeah, 746 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 2: and it was him in his final two and. 747 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 4: That like crushed me. 748 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,919 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, And that was early on in dating too, 749 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 2: But so I've tried to stay away from many of it. 750 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, especially early on, there's more insecurities. You still 751 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: wonder things, and until you really know the person, I 752 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,720 Speaker 1: can imagine that would be difficult. That is very interesting, 753 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: especially his season was so big and it still gets 754 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, even though it was a long time ago, 755 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 1: you still see those I guess you'd call them highlights. 756 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: But you're right. I would not want to go back 757 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,439 Speaker 1: and watch LZ on a date and saying I love 758 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: you or whatever kissing someone else. That would be a 759 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: little bit awkward, to say the least. 760 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is really disconcerting because you don't think 761 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 2: about it till you're in the situation. But I mean, 762 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 2: I've dated other people too, and I can tell Ben 763 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 2: all about it, but he's never seen me interact with them, 764 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 2: or kiss them or look at them deeply in the eye. 765 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: You can make of that what we want in our 766 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: own minds exactly. That was Jessica didn't enjoy it. She 767 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: wasn't into it, no. 768 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 2: Eye contact. 769 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 4: She hated it. 770 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: She was always pining after me and always thinking about that. 771 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: That's funny as you move on with your life and 772 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: you guys got married. And I said this to Ivanna, 773 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: and it's one consistent thing that I've seen with most 774 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: successful couples from the show, and that is you went 775 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: off and lived your life. You guys met outside of Hollywood. 776 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: You live outside of Hollywood very much. You guys are 777 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: in Denver, you're in Indiana. So you lived this very 778 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: private life, even with a very public figure. And I 779 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: think that's important. 780 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 2: Yep, he actually decided not to move to la and 781 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 2: to do with that whole thing because of something that 782 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 2: you said to him. I don't even know if you 783 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,479 Speaker 2: remember saying this. He talks about it all the time. 784 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 2: But when he was the bachelor, you pulled him aside 785 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 2: and you were like, make sure that this experience enhance 786 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 2: it your life and doesn't change your life. And I 787 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 2: think he's done a really good job of that and 788 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,919 Speaker 2: pursued these things outside of the Bachelor and then has 789 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 2: really used the platform to enhance his life. And you know, 790 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 2: he's still involved obviously is almost famous, and he is 791 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 2: such a beloved figure. But I mean, all thanks to 792 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 2: you that we're able to live the lack that we 793 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 2: have and it's so wonderful and beautiful and it is 794 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 2: so I mean, I keep using this word, but it 795 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 2: is so pure because we don't have all these outside 796 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 2: influences and we're not playing the keeping up with the 797 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 2: Joneses game and we're able to really just have like 798 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 2: our little bubble, which is so nice. 799 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw this very kind of vulnerable guy in 800 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 1: Ben as he came off the show. And these people 801 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: that watch the show of viewers and I understand, you're like, oh, 802 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: he signed up for this. It's like they know what 803 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 1: they're getting into. They don't. There's no way you understand. 804 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: You're being shot out of a cannon without a net 805 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: and you're going one thousand miles an hour and it 806 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: is so new. The love, adoration, that you get, especially 807 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,839 Speaker 1: when you're someone like Ben, and so I just saw 808 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: this world eating him alive. And if he came to Hollywood, 809 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: he's not that guy. And so I was hoping he 810 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: would take that advice and go elsewhere and live his life. 811 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: And he did superbly, as you would expect him to do. 812 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: And I just I'm so happy for you, guys, and 813 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on and giving a little insight 814 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: not only into Ben, but your life and what it's 815 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: been like. And I love you guys to death and 816 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. 817 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 2: Well, we love you. We're really grateful for you, and 818 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 2: we wouldn't be where we are without you. So thank 819 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 2: you for inviting me. 820 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: Jessica, I thank you so much. I'll talk to you 821 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: guys soon. 822 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 2: Okay, talk to you soon. 823 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: It is impossible not to love and adore Jessica and Ben, 824 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: and my thanks to her for coming on. Jessica Clark 825 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: an amazing woman, and Evana Firestone, Andrew's wife as well. 826 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: I appreciate their honesty and insight, and just both of 827 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 1: them very good friends of ours as well, and I 828 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: always appreciate their love and friendship and support and yours 829 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 1: as well. Truly love doing this show, talking to you 830 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 1: guys each and every week, several fun episodes and by 831 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: the way, I want to tell you so, Lauren and 832 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: I have started something new on Fridays. Every Friday, we're 833 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: going to open up what we call the playbook, just 834 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: a special little episode, little something extra. It might be 835 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: a rant, it might be a love it might just 836 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: be a crazy thought or something we saw that we 837 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: want to talk to you about. So look for that 838 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: bonus episode every Friday as well. But thank you for 839 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,840 Speaker 1: being with us today. I will talk to you next time. 840 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: We have a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening. 841 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,839 Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at the most Dramatic pod ever, 842 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: and make sure to write us a review and leave 843 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: us five stars. I'll talk to you next time.