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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is cutting the Distance. Welcome back to the podcast, everybody.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys have been doing good. Today we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be just diving into part two of our Tag

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Speaker 1: draw series, where I've been covering various Western state application

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Speaker 1: processes and helping you figure out how to secure a

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Speaker 1: tag for next season. If you missed it last week,

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Speaker 1: I gave a rundown of the types of tags and

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Speaker 1: the types of points in the draw system to help

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Speaker 1: kind of ease some of the confusion and get you started.

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Speaker 1: This week, we're gonna be covering a few of the

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Speaker 1: over the counter options. I'm going to talk about how

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Speaker 1: O T seek tags should be implemented in your hunting plan,

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Speaker 1: and then I'll all to give you tips on other

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Speaker 1: tags to look for. I'm gonna be breaking down a

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Speaker 1: few of my favorite states that we did not cover

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Speaker 1: last week, and then just go through the opportunities that

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Speaker 1: might be available. And then finally I think I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna give everybody my hot tip on the best place

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Speaker 1: to kill a bull elk this year, so you won't

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Speaker 1: want to miss it. But before we do that, I

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Speaker 1: want to share the story of a general area monster

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Speaker 1: bull that ended up coming home in my backpack. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you were to ask me what would be one

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Speaker 1: of the epitomes of of hunting, one thing that comes

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Speaker 1: to mind would be harvesting a large, mature bull in

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Speaker 1: a general elk area. To me, there's just so much

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Speaker 1: involved in that. I mean, yes, there's a lot of luck,

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Speaker 1: but there's also a lot of time. They can be

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Speaker 1: kind of few and far between. Most general areas are

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Speaker 1: more just kind of managed for opportunity. And that's not

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Speaker 1: to say that there's not really big bulls in there.

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Speaker 1: You know, most of my experienced elk hunting is in

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Speaker 1: general type units. Um pretty much cut my teeth growing

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Speaker 1: hunting the same area over and over, knowing it really well,

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Speaker 1: really understanding those elk and finding a lot of success

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Speaker 1: and over the years guiding different hunters, various hunters, you know,

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Speaker 1: we would always see some of those upper echelon bulls,

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Speaker 1: those those high caliber bulls, And to me, I think

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Speaker 1: anything in a general area over a three inch bull

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Speaker 1: is a big bull. If you aren't familiar with like scores,

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Speaker 1: what that is is just tewing up the number of

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Speaker 1: most elk they get killed in general areas are probably

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Speaker 1: while you'll see one that's just what I would consider

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Speaker 1: If you're familiar with that, that's like the type of

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Speaker 1: So to be able to harvest a milk like that

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Speaker 1: in a general area, it's just a very cool thing

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Speaker 1: to happen. Um. It takes a lot of luck, a

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Speaker 1: run into those elk quite often, yet it always seems

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Speaker 1: bulls if I was out hunting myself and just be

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Speaker 1: You can't shoot a cow, but you can shoot a bull.

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Speaker 1: Has to be a brow time bull. So we were

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Speaker 1: I quickly get my spotting scope out, put my spotting

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Speaker 1: it's like, go, go go. He was shooting my gun

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Speaker 1: relocate this bull. So he moved down real quick. We're

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Speaker 1: moving down the mountain below us. I keep ranging, ranging,

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Speaker 1: like too far, too far. We keep going out and

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Speaker 1: his body is just huge. He is an old, mature

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Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, Mark, get ready, we said shooting.

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Speaker 1: Sticks up because it's a pretty good slope. So he's

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Speaker 1: you miss or whatever, I can always adjust the scope,

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Speaker 1: a good shot. It's like, sweet, we're on it. He

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Speaker 1: squeezes the trigger boom and just hits the ELK. Sweet.

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Speaker 1: The all just soaked up. The bullet shoots again, hits

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Speaker 1: So I'm pretty pumped. We hustled down. We get to

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Speaker 1: He was a three three fifty three. If both sides match,

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Speaker 1: you would have been a three seventy bowl, which for

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Speaker 1: a general area elk is about as good as it gets.

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Speaker 1: Just a mature animal and one of the coolest elk

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Speaker 1: My best plan for planning a hunt is to have

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Speaker 1: obtain a more limited entry tag through a draw. So,

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Speaker 1: like we talked about last week, those areas that might

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Speaker 1: take some preference points and you can kind of guarantee

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Speaker 1: that you'll get it in three years or maybe including

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Speaker 1: in that an area that might be a random draw

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Speaker 1: where hey, it's gonna be a really big bull hunt,

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Speaker 1: but you know, if you get like you can get it.

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Speaker 1: And then I also like to include in the plan

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Speaker 1: a plan on getting into the field if those other

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Speaker 1: options don't pan out, And the best way to do

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Speaker 1: this is what we call an O t C hunt

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Speaker 1: formally known as over the counter hunts. I like to

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Speaker 1: now refer to them as over the computer hunts. But

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Speaker 1: these are just essentially tags that are generally easier to

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Speaker 1: obtain and they are not needed. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: get them through a draw. Now, a lot of people think, well,

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Speaker 1: they might be unlimited tags. That's not always the case.

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Speaker 1: Not all over the counter tags are unlimited. Some of

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Speaker 1: them may be limited, and that's important to note, but

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Speaker 1: you don't have to go through a draw process to

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Speaker 1: sell out or they rarely sell out, And there might

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Speaker 1: even be some hunts where there is an unlimited number

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Speaker 1: of get on a mailing list for each state you're

430
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: interested in or when you've applied, and pay attention to

431
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 1: those tags when they come available, and you just got

432
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 1: to be ready to buy them first come, first serve

433
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 1: when they are when they do come available. There's a

434
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 1: lot of different things. If if I'm sitting down, I'm like, Okay,

435
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 1: I've got my hunt plan, I've got a few applications

436
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 1: out right. I I personally apply everywhere, but I've been

437
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: doing it for years. I think there's some states that

438
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: might not necessarily be great to jump into now. But

439
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 1: when I'm looking at what I'm planning for the fall,

440
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 1: I'm always right now before I even apply, assuming or

441
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: planning on some form of over the counter tag because

442
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 1: of my hunts that I do out of state are

443
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: on these over the counter type tags, because I just

444
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 1: can't guarantee that I'm going to get a tag somewhere

445
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: through the draw. And I think that that UM is

446
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 1: the way that most people probably find hunting out of state,

447
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,199
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to meal Doar Elk out West.

448
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: So what I look for when I'm deciding units, I

449
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 1: first look for areas and I look at the public

450
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: land and the access in that unit. I look at

451
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 1: season dates, the type of hunts available, then the type

452
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: of other tags and seasons in there, and then I

453
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: kind of asked myself, are there draw tags in the unit?

454
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 1: And then I look at a little bit of the

455
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: statistics for each area, including success, hunter congestion, and then

456
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 1: the land type uses. So I'm gonna break all those

457
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: down and kind of run through those. And these are

458
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: things that just go through my mind when I'm looking

459
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: in over the counter tag. So let's say I pick

460
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: a state I use I mean there's a lot of

461
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,239
Speaker 1: different companies out there, or you could just pick up

462
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: applications and regulations for each state and just understand, okay,

463
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: where are these over the counter tags? Um, I use

464
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: go hunt a lot. I also like to look in

465
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 1: the regulations of myself and just flip through and say, okay,

466
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: I outline some over the counter tags. Then I'll pull

467
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: out like my ONYX maps and I'll do a little

468
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: bit of research on that. Tag. So I'm gonna say

469
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: how am I of this area? So I'll go through

470
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 1: all the areas. I'll write them down and say how

471
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: much of this is public land? Or is there access

472
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 1: going to be difficult? And now, because you've got to think, Okay,

473
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: they're offering these tags in a large quantity or kind

474
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: of in a without a draw system. Why is that?

475
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 1: Is it because there's a lot of land they want

476
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: to provide opportunity, or is it because a lot of

477
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 1: it's private and nobody has access to it? So they

478
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 1: want to incentivize those people with private land to be

479
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,719
Speaker 1: able to harvest the animals. So you gotta look at

480
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 1: that and you go, Okay, just because it's a lot

481
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: of private land not is not necessarily a deal breaker

482
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: for me. As long as there is some kind of

483
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 1: fringe hunting, it might still be a good tag. If

484
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: I look at it and go, this is all private land.

485
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like there's any good areas in here

486
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: mixed in, there's no checkerboarding. Move on to the next

487
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: one and find an area where there's something that I

488
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: can hunt. Then I'm going to also look at, Okay,

489
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: what kind of hunts are there? Or is it an

490
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: archery hunt? Why why are these tags available over the counter?

491
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: Is it an archery hunt? Is is there some offseason

492
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: dates available? Is it a unit that for whatever reason,

493
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: they just have a lot of tags available? So it's

494
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: probably got maybe a high population, but maybe it's got

495
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: some rugged country, some really remote areas. What's that land

496
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: look like and what kind of hunts are there? And

497
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: then I'll also dive into looking at an area and

498
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: say what other seasons are in this unit. One thing

499
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: that I like to look for is an over the

500
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: counter tag where all the other tags there might be

501
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: a draw hunt. And that does happen in a lot

502
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: of places. Arizona, there's a lot of draw units that

503
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: you can go hunt deer on and over the counter

504
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: archery tag. There's places in Oregon, Um, Washington where you

505
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 1: might be able to pick up an archery tag that

506
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: all the other seasons are limited draw limited entry units.

507
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: Idaho does that, a lot of units in a lot

508
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: of states having over the counter tag. Any unit that's

509
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: a draw for something else, So that always appeals to me. Okay,

510
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: maybe I can get in and if I choose a

511
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: different weapon, if I decided to go with a bow,

512
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,239
Speaker 1: that might limit my success a little bit, but it

513
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: also allows me to maybe find, hey, this is a

514
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: quality area that other people are waiting a long time

515
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: to draw, and I might be able to get in

516
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: and hunt. Another thing is just those changes in season

517
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: dates where you might be able to pick up a

518
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: leftover tag or a tag that somebody didn't want because

519
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: it's harder hunting, but it's that offseason date, so I

520
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 1: know that, hey, it's more of an opportunity. If I

521
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: have that tag, I can get out and I might

522
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: be able to find what I'm looking for. So these

523
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: are all things that I consider when building out which

524
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: area to pick and which hunt to go on. Then

525
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: the last thing that I look for is I kind

526
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: of look at um any published success rates, and I

527
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: would say, when you're looking at success rates for unit,

528
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: you know you you can flip through regulations, you can

529
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: go to state websites, look online, and you might see, okay,

530
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: what's the success rate. And if you just compare success

531
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: rate to success rate of different over the counter units

532
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: and choose it that way, I think that that's not

533
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: a very way to choose the unit because there's a

534
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: lot of different factors in those success rates that are

535
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: not reported in that number, And this is the way

536
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: that I look at it, and I think it's a

537
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: fair assumption that's going to help you build out like

538
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: a better idea of this is a good unit for me.

539
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: So the first thing I ask is what kind of

540
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: reporting is there? Because I've seen units that I've researched

541
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: and I look and I go, a hundred percent success here,

542
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: And then you look and say, well, reporting isn't mandatory.

543
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: They survey a certain random sample and in this particular area,

544
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: they called one person out of who knows how many

545
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: that had tags, and that person killed the elk, and

546
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: they report success. Yet there's other areas where reporting is mandatory.

547
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: Everybody has to report. You see that the report success

548
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: was and you see a success rate, and that shows

549
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: you how many people actually hunted and actually we're successful.

550
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: So you first have to just take those success rates

551
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: with a grain of salt. And the second thing I

552
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: kind of ask is I like to figure out whether

553
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: it's a bull hunt, a cow hunt or both. You know,

554
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: you might have a one unit that reports a success

555
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: rate but you have to shoot a brow time bull

556
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: and another unit that shows a success rate. But you

557
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 1: can shoot a cow or a ble or a spike,

558
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: you know, so you have to really compare those based

559
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: on not just those numbers, but what's available and say

560
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: what's better for me? If I go into an area,

561
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: do I want to be able to harvest anything, whether

562
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: it's a bowl or a cow. I just want a

563
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: good opportunity at success. Then you might be kind of

564
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: gravitating towards that unit where you could shoot a bowl

565
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: or a spike or a cow, as opposed to that

566
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: other area where you can only shoot a brow time bull.

567
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: But that brow time bowl area, if you're like, hey,

568
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: I want to get a nice mature bull, you go.

569
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: It's a pretty high success rate for the type of

570
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: outcome looking for. You know, it's not just the numbers

571
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: not higher than this other area, but what I'm looking

572
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: for makes it a better unit for me. Now, the

573
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: other factor that I like to look at in order

574
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: to own areas is a congestion and just the number

575
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: of hunters that might be in that area. But I

576
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: also like to compare that to the type of land.

577
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: So I look at and say, okay, how many hunters

578
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: are are hunting this area, and then how big is

579
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: the unit? What is the hunter congestion per public mile,

580
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: like the ability of me being able to go out

581
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: and hunt. How many hunters might be just as like

582
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: a metric to compare to places, how many hunters might

583
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: be using that area. And then what kind of area

584
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: is Is it a heavily wilderness area or is it

585
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: a very timbered area. Is it heavily roaded, is it logged?

586
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: Is it burned? What does it look like? And how

587
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: big is that unit? If I look at the unit,

588
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: I say, wow, there's roads everywhere in here, and there's

589
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: no wilderness area and it's a very small unit and

590
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: it's got high numbers. Well, that might for my personal

591
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: hunting style might not be as good as an area

592
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: that now I look at and say, okay, this area

593
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 1: is four times the size, but it has three times

594
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: the hunters. The hunter congestion per public mile is lower,

595
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: and there's some really big wilderness areas that I could

596
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: probably get away from a lot of those people. So

597
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: for me personally, that's good, but for someone else it

598
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: might not be. So this is how I kind of

599
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: research these these over the counter areas and decide what

600
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: what's right for me. Now, you might look at that

601
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: heavily roaded area you might say has a lot of tags,

602
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: and then you go back and look look at the

603
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: success and it might have a higher success rate. You say, hey,

604
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: this is the kind of hunt that I want. I

605
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: want to be able to go out. It's obviously got

606
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: a lot of animals, there's a lot of hunters, a

607
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: lot of them are successful. I'll probably find something I

608
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: won't have to get too far away or or pack

609
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: in somewhere, and I'll have a good reasonable chance of success.

610
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: That might be the kind of hunt you're looking for.

611
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: And that's kind of how you can decipher those hunts

612
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: when you're looking at all these over the counter tags

613
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: and just pulling up these different statistics that might be reported.

614
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: I think, with a little bit of leg work, over

615
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: the counter options are are a must and a reality

616
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: for most people. It's a must to research and then

617
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: add into the plan, and it's an honest reality for

618
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: most hunters. I think that a lot of people always

619
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: want to go for the biggest and the best, But

620
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: the bulk of um hunts taken, the bulk of elk

621
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: and deer taken, are probably or hunts that people go

622
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: on are in these o t C type areas. And

623
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: that is especially true because most of these states for residents,

624
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: A lot of these areas that might even be draw

625
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: for non residents or over the counter for residents. So

626
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: when you're looking at hunters overall and the hunting experience,

627
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: over the counter tags play a huge portion of that

628
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: game of getting people in the field and giving people

629
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: an opportunity. And I think it's really good when you're

630
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: thinking about planning out your hunts and when we talk

631
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: about draws and how do you get a better hunt,

632
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: but how do you also plan on going on a hunt?

633
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: This is the way to do it. So I like

634
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: to originally when I set out my plan, I start

635
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: to think and look at and research over the counter

636
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: options and plan for that hunt like I'm going on it.

637
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: Then I do the draw and if it doesn't happen,

638
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: and then I plan on going on this other hunt

639
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: because it's while I'm playing that waiting game, I need

640
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: to gain that experience out in the field hunting, and

641
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: that is really I think the best way to look

642
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: at these over the counter tags, and I really think

643
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: that these are some of the best hunts out West,

644
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: and the best hunts that you know you can get

645
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: into and gain that experience. Now let's take a little look.

646
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: We're kind of moving back out of the over the

647
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: counter stuff, and I'm gonna be going over the remaining

648
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: state breakdown that I didn't cover last time, So that

649
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: would be Idaho, Oregon, Washington, New Mexico, Colorado, and California.

650
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna give you my take on each

651
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: state and the opportunities and tag systems available, because what

652
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: I really wanted this whole thing to be was just

653
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: a look at the tag systems out west, especially for

654
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: those that aren't very familiar with it, or maybe I've

655
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: never thought about going across state lines to hunt somewhere

656
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: where they don't have opportunity where they live. And so

657
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: if you have all the states broken down, I think

658
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: you can kind of pick something that's best for you

659
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: and works best for you. Now, let's just start with

660
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: um Idaho. I think in the past, Idaho's been known

661
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: as probably one of the best over the counter states,

662
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: but recent changes really kind of made that difficult to

663
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: obtain some tags there, so most of them were purchased

664
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: on December first, and I don't necessarily know that um

665
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: there's much left for that but things might pop up

666
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: after the draw. They also have a draw system as

667
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: well for a lot of good areas, and in that state,

668
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: you have to choose either elk, deer and antelope, So

669
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: you can go elk deer antelope and that's do in June,

670
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: or you can choose one of the falling moose, sheep, goat. Now,

671
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: if you apply for moose, you cannot apply for elk

672
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: deer ori antelope, and you cannot apply for sheep or goats.

673
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: So you can pick one of the once in a

674
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: lifetime tags, or you can kind of go and apply

675
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: for each three of the elk, deer and antelope. That

676
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: makes sense, and the reason they do that is because

677
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: they have no points system, but they kind of want

678
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: to shuffle hunter and demand, so that kind of helps

679
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: with the odds, or it really helps with the odds

680
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: because Idaho really does have the best draws for moose, sheep,

681
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: and goat in the West, and then it has pretty

682
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: decent odds for the elk, deer, antelope in some some

683
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: pretty good units and no everybody's kind of on the

684
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: same playing field, so it is a good place to

685
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: apply if you're interested in one of those. Another good thing.

686
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: The kind of way that I incorporate Idaho into my

687
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: plan is the deadline to apply for elk and deer

688
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: and Antelope is a lot later than most states in June,

689
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: so you might even know if you apply in another

690
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: state whether you drew a tag or not. So it's

691
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: a good state to consider. It's kind of a last

692
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: ditch attempt at drawing something before purchasing and over the

693
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: counter tag. Now, Oregan organ is a preference point system.

694
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: They also have they have a random draw for their sheep,

695
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: so that one is random that's not on points, which

696
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: I think is actually pretty good because for sheep tags

697
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: because they're so limited. You know, if you have a

698
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: preference point system in your state, sheep people just getting

699
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: into it or people one point behind max are never

700
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: going to get to tag in most in most cases,

701
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: so having a random draw of that kind is nice.

702
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: But then the preference points for everything else allow you

703
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: to kind of maybe plan or build up to a

704
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: certain amount of points. And then they also have over

705
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: the counter tags for elk and deer um. The point

706
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: creew is pretty bad in Oregon and you probably won't

707
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: draw like a limited entry high end tag there unless

708
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: you've been already started for a while. I hate to

709
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: have to say that, but it's probably true. There are

710
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: some decent over the counter hunts though. They include Roosevelt elk,

711
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: Rocky Mountain elk for archery, blacktails, and meal deer, So

712
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: there is a lot of option there, especially if you're like, hey,

713
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: what over the counter tags do I get or have

714
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: an option at? There's some really good hunts in there

715
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: for that. Washington is a bonus point draw, but it

716
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 1: actually for non residents it can be quite expensive. There's

717
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: quite a few general units that aren't necessarily over the counter,

718
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: but you can draw, and those are a good option

719
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: if you're applying for something else, then you kind of

720
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: have that over the counter je general tag type mentality

721
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: you're okay, I'm gonna go elk hunting there. It's a

722
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: good state to apply for. And then there are some

723
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: other over the counter options for Roosevelt elk and blacktail deer,

724
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of options there. Um. I think

725
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: it actually is often an overlooked state. There is quite

726
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: a bit of public land, and then there's a lot

727
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: of private land that you can get on timber company

728
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: land where you kind of have to go to the

729
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: Timber Company and then get permission, or you can get

730
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: into a lottery for some private lands, and or you

731
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: can have to purchase it at a certain time. But

732
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: it is it's not a bad option because it gives

733
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: you a place to hunt and some over the counter

734
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: tags as well. New Mexico I think as a state

735
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: that gets talked about a lot, and for good reason.

736
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: It's got no points. It has some of the best

737
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: elk hunting, has some great deer hunting, some phenomenal antelope hunting,

738
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: and everybody's on a even playing field. Uh, there's lots

739
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: of options to draw as well as there's places with

740
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: better odds. So in a state without points, you know

741
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: you're really looking at playing the and my suggestion is

742
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: always trying to find areas with lower draw odds. Now,

743
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: the unfortunate part about New Mexico is some of those

744
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: tags you look at it and a lot very few

745
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: are given to non residents, and there's most of them

746
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: are given in the guide draws. So I've applied. I

747
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: started guiding down in New Mexico I think when I

748
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: was like nineteen, and I've applied in that state ever

749
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: since then. I've drawn one tag, and then I know

750
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: people that have applied their first year and drawn premier

751
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: best delk hunt in the country type tags. So I

752
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: think a lot of luck factors in but um, one

753
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: of the options is to go into the guide draw.

754
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: You know, hey, I might want to hire a guide.

755
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a little bit better odds that way, um.

756
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: And then there's a few deer permits that go left over.

757
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: Also if you elk permits, mostly cow permits, and there's

758
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: a lot of youth tags there, so if you've got

759
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: kids that you want to apply, that's a really great

760
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: state for youth tags. They offer a lot of good

761
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: opportunity for youth hunters. And then you can also sometimes

762
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: find those dear permits as left over as well as

763
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: some elk permits or whatever left over. And then there's

764
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: a lot of landowner tags in that state that necessarily

765
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: aren't super expensive, so that's also an option. Colorado is

766
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: a pure preference points so the tag goes to the

767
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: one with the most points, but there are areas that

768
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: take fewer points in Colorado, and I think that the

769
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: high point units will really be unreachable for those starting out.

770
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: If you're getting started or whatever, you're gonna want to

771
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: look toward those low point areas. There are a lot

772
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 1: of them, and you can kind of play and you'll

773
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: see some that take you know, people have drawn with

774
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: zero points. So even just going in without any points,

775
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: you might want to apply for that area, maybe get

776
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: lucky before thinking about and over the counter option, or

777
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: maybe find you know, kind of hone in on a

778
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: few areas, do a little bit of research on two

779
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: or three areas that take a low amount of points,

780
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: and then look at applying for those areas, and then

781
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: that way, when you draw that tag, you might get

782
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: a tag um. Also, there's you know, there is a

783
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: lot of over the counter tags. I'd say Colorado right

784
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: now currently is the king for O T C elk hunting.

785
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: It's got the most elk, it's got the most available

786
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: ability of elk tags, plus the option to plan, and

787
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: it's closer to most people. So I think that's why

788
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: it draws a lot of people. It's got a lot

789
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: of selling points for sure. You can also think about

790
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: pairing a deer tag with an elk tag, so you

791
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: could look for like the elk and deer tag seasons

792
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: run coherent, but most there aren't necessarily over the counter

793
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: deer tags, but you might be able to find a

794
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: deer tag in and over the counter elk area that

795
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: might take a couple of years to draw or whatever. Sequence.

796
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: Kind of try to plan your hunt that way, where

797
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: you get a tag and then you you pick up

798
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: an over the counter ELK tag in an area that

799
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: you draw a deer or you hunt over the counter

800
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: elk areas in an area that you might realistically draw

801
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: deer tag. So you're actually hunting and scouting simultaneously, and

802
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: you're looking around, you're out there, you're in the field,

803
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: and you go, oh, this is a cool ELK area.

804
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: I'm learning the area. So when I cash in my

805
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: points for a deer cha, ching already know the unit.

806
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: And there's a lot to put on knowledge. I believe

807
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: that I've said it a thousand times, but if you

808
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: know that unit, you know where things are at, you

809
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: know where to start looking. When you do secure tag

810
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: or when you do go in there to hunt, every time,

811
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: it's going to be a little bit better each time.

812
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: So really, I think you know the way I see

813
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: Colorado's is probably one of the best backup bets. August

814
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: three is the date that tags go on sale for

815
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: the leftover licenses, and then you know, you look into

816
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: areas that may have drawn or may have been drawn

817
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: in the second draw as well, and you can kind

818
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: of focus in on those. So your points are only

819
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: used if you draw out on your first choice, so

820
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: you can kind of look at, hey, was there any

821
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: tags drawn in that second choice. Also, you know, are

822
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: there any leftover tags? And those leftover tags might be

823
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: able to be picked up over the counter, first come,

824
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: first serve as opposed to some of the other units,

825
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: and might be a good thing to focus on a

826
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: little bit of a tip there. California. Um, it's kind

827
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: of a modified preference system for non residents. Really the

828
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: only thing you can realistically draw would be a deer tag.

829
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: They do have elk and sheep and antelope, but they

830
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: give one non resident tag and it could be a

831
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: like up to one and if one is drawn, like

832
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: if someone drew a I always apply for the Julee

833
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: elk And if someone draws a cow Roosevelt elk tag,

834
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: that and not restand tag has gone. So it's it's

835
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: essentially just a donation for those. But um, you know,

836
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: they do have a modified preference for deer, so a

837
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: small portion or random draw, but most of them are

838
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: on that preference point the top areas or can be

839
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: difficult to draw. You got just like anywhere with preference points,

840
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: you get quite a bit of point creep. But I

841
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: will say there are a lot of good over the

842
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: counter deer options there. UM. They've got a lot of

843
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: different species of meal. Theres. So the giant meals are

844
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: you see in Colorado, You're not going to see in California.

845
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: But if you understand that hay, these are a hybrid

846
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: of a blacktail UM, they're a desert type mule deer.

847
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: If you understand the type of meal there in the

848
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: subspecies that they are, UM, it can be a pretty

849
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: good hunt. And there's a lot of a lot of

850
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: tags available, archery tags as well as unit specific tags.

851
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: You can hunt archery and rifle UM. And then there's

852
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: also you know, I think probably some of the best

853
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: over the counterfall bear hunting in the country is in California,

854
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: and I think that that's highly overlooked. I know there's

855
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: gonna be people being like, don't give out our secret,

856
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: but you we don't know how long that bear hunt

857
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: will be around so support it, and then if you're

858
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Speaker 1: one of the people that's gone and done it, you

859
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 1: know you might be hopefully be able to keep that

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00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: going for the future. Now, as promised in the beginning

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00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: of the podcast, I said, I'm gonna give my super

862
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: secret best place to kill an elk, And honestly, I

863
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: will tell you this secret. It's anywhere that you can

864
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: get a tag. And I know that sounds like a

865
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: cop out, but I mean it to say this that

866
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: it's better to hunt than not. You know, saving points

867
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: is really eight but you can't get a bull without

868
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: a tag in your pocket or a buck or whatever.

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00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: So too many people, I I believe, are just worried

870
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: about whether it's going to be a good hunt or not.

871
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: Is this the best area? Is this what? Oh? But

872
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: I could wait twenty seven years and and get this

873
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: good hunt, which I think is awesome to do. In

874
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: some instances, I I do that as well, but I'm

875
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: also using other hunts to look for or other types

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00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: of tags to make sure that I can get out

877
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: and hunt. Um, you make it a good hunt. So

878
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: if you're like worried about it being a good hunt,

879
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: you're the one that makes it a good hunt, especially

880
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: if you can hunt it for a few years. You know,

881
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: I could really tell you the places where the biggest

882
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: bulls in the country come from. It's not hard to

883
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: figure out. There's units in Utah, Nevada, in Arizona where

884
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: some giants come out of but not being able to

885
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: get at tagged as you know good. So my super

886
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: secret place to kill an elk is anywhere you can

887
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: pick up a tag, just get out and get hunting.

888
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: I and I personally don't like to give out hot

889
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: specific area or picks because excuse the odds, unnecessarily and

890
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: by unnecessarily, I mean it might be a really good

891
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: area with a certain type of elk densities and big bulls, this,

892
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: that and the other thing. But you know, if you

893
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: skew those odds, there might be another place that is

894
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: just as good that you can actually get into and hunt.

895
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: And so I know, I don't like to use my

896
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: platform to kind of skew the odds in certain areas.

897
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: So pick a place that you can have access to

898
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: hunting um, where you can easily get too if possible,

899
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: and where you can actually get out, and that's the

900
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: secret sauce. So where I like to hunt is never

901
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: really better than another. Spot is just where I find

902
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: myself with a tag and I make good on it.

903
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: And sometimes I try to find those places where I

904
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: can do that year after year, and over the years

905
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: I find a lot of success that way. I hope

906
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: this helps you guys, get a grasp on some of

907
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: the options that are out there and get you pointed

908
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: in the right direction for getting into a hunt. You know,

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00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: I found a large portion of the listeners are looking

910
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: to go on a Western hunt, and I just keep

911
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: getting like the biggest hurdle is where do I even

912
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: get started. It seems like there's an endless amount of land.

913
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: There's all these options, restricted draws. My head's exploding. I

914
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: don't know what to do, and then they just paralysis

915
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: by analysis and it just ends up being that dream

916
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: that's on the back burner as opposed to something that's

917
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: in the planning portion. So I know some of the

918
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: kind of the tag stuff can get a little dry,

919
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: but I also kind of geek out on it because

920
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: it's something that I've done for so long, and I

921
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: really enjoy this time of year. It's fun to jump in,

922
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: it's fun to do this kind of research is fun

923
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: to look for options and dream of the hunts that

924
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: you can go on and plan something for the future

925
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: and maybe look for something to do right now. And

926
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff pumps me up. And I know

927
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: that it's a lot of things that people that listen

928
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: are are asking, because I know there's a lot of

929
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: you out there that you're like, I'm listening to this

930
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: guy about all these Western big game hunts, elk hunting, mule,

931
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: you're hunting um, public land hunting. Yet where I live

932
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: isn't like that, and so you know, you're just building

933
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: up this knowledge base until you one day get out

934
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: and get to do it. And I think that this

935
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: is a good learning lesson, especially for people that you

936
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: know where you hunt or where you live. You know,

937
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: maybe look around the map and you're like, hey, it's

938
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: not that far for me to go over here and

939
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: maybe have another opportunity. There's not over the counter tags

940
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: where I live, but I could go drive seven to

941
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: fifteen hours and maybe get on a hunt once every five,

942
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: ten years, whatever. It doesn't really matter. So yeah, I

943
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: hope that that helps. Before we go, I just want

944
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: to remind everyone if you have questions, now is the time,

945
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: because we're coming up on a new Q and A.

946
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: So it can be anything about tag draws, archery, hunting,

947
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: just general life advice. I don't know, throw something out there. UM.

948
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: The best way to do that you can send it

949
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: to me on Instagram at Remy Warren, send me a

950
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: direct message. I try to scroll through those, screenshot the

951
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: ones that I'm like, oh, that's a cool question, and

952
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: then try to read those through our Q and A s.

953
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: So anything you guys got like, try to keep them

954
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: timely and based on some of the recent podcasts. If

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00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 1: you got those, those are coming up. Also, thank everybody

956
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: for the rating reviews. I really appreciate those. I saw

957
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: a kind of some new ones pop up. So wherever

958
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: you listen to the podcast, if you want to give

959
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: us a rating and a review, I appreciate that. And

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00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: that's really it. This will conclude our application series and

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Speaker 1: on that note, goodbye and good luck.