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Speaker 1: Hey, ba fam, It's Mandy Money, and I'm really excited

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Speaker 1: to share today's episode with you. I know Friday's usually

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Speaker 1: coming week of April, it starts today, actually kicks off

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Speaker 1: Black Maternal Health Week in the US. Y'all have probably

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Speaker 1: read the same articles I have read, watched the same

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Speaker 1: disturbing news videos that share experiences of deep trauma with

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Speaker 1: life altering and in some cases, life ending consequences for

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Speaker 1: women of color in this country. You don't need me

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Speaker 1: to tell you that I'm right here with you. I

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Speaker 1: feel the same pain you do encountering these types of stories.

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Speaker 1: And at Brown Ambition, what are we here to do.

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Speaker 1: We are here to acknowledge and accept the reality of

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Speaker 1: what it's like to live in this brown skin, to

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Speaker 1: have ambition in this brown skin, to have families in

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Speaker 1: this brown skin. But we are also here to share

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Speaker 1: stories about how we are overcoming and how we are

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Speaker 1: creating safe spaces for one another. And I have the

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Speaker 1: incredible opportunity to sit at the same dinner table with

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Speaker 1: this woman. Her name is Latham Thomas. Not only is

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Speaker 1: she exquisite and ethereal earth, Mama goddess. She has also

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Speaker 1: helped bring into the world so many A Lists celebrity babies. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know all babies are A Listers, right, especially mine

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Speaker 1: and especially any brown ambition babies we have out there.

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Speaker 1: But Latham has been by the side of celebrities like

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Speaker 1: Anne Hathaway, Alicia Keys, Ashley Graham. She is at the

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Speaker 1: top of her game and she was at a position

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Speaker 1: celebrities have these gorgeous humans and bring them into the

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Speaker 1: world a couple times a year. But of course, because

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Speaker 1: black women are everything, Latham turned around and said, I

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Speaker 1: could be one incredible doula, but what if I train

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Speaker 1: generations to come in the incredible work of being a

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Speaker 1: doula and helping bring these babies home and give them

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Speaker 1: an incredible birthing experience for their parents. And she launched

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Speaker 1: Mama Glow, which we're going to talk about today on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. She'll tell you how her own birthing experience

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Speaker 1: in New York City and the early two thousands drove

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Speaker 1: going to answer my dumb questions about what is the

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Speaker 1: difference between a doula and a midwife, and who makes

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Speaker 1: also get a little bit because it is Brown ambition, right,

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Speaker 1: we're here to talk about money, honey. We'll get a

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Speaker 1: little bit into the business strategies that have served Latham

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Speaker 1: well as she has had to pivot and take her

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Speaker 1: business from being fully in person trainings to online of

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Speaker 1: course during the pandemic, and we'll talk about how that

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Speaker 1: actually ended up being really beneficial for her business, that

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Speaker 1: she was able to pivot in that way. Now, if

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Speaker 1: y'all want to find out more about Mama Glow, if

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Speaker 1: you're thinking about getting trained as a doula through one

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Speaker 1: of their programs, you can head to the show notes Snap.

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Speaker 1: Whether you decide to become a parent or not, or

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Speaker 1: in a child's life. So thank y'all again for listening.

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Speaker 1: This is Nandy Money and here's my conversation with Latham Thomas.

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Speaker 1: All Right, v A fam I am genuinely just very thrilled.

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Speaker 1: I know I say that every time, but I have

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Speaker 1: wanted to get to know this woman better ever since

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Speaker 1: I happened to meet her at Afrotech in Houston. I

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Speaker 1: found out we both live in New York, very different

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Speaker 1: I have Laitham Thomas on the show today, y'all, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we have enough time for me

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Speaker 1: respect on your name, okay. Latham is the founder of

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Speaker 1: Mama Glow, advancing reproductive justice and birth equity through education, advocacy,

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Speaker 1: the arts, research scholarship. But it also she trains doulas, y'all,

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Speaker 1: Latham is also a distinguished women's health expert, black maternal

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Speaker 1: one hundred. Now, the global community for Mama Glow is

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Speaker 1: just cover that. You cover the fertility period, the pregnancy, birth,

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Speaker 1: work the system to get the resources to the people

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Speaker 1: that need them the most. And so welcome lay them

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Speaker 1: to the brand and vision podcast.

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Speaker 2: Much Mandy, It's such a pleasure and honor to be here.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate you. I also fell in love fast

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Speaker 2: friends you know, we met, and so I'm just grateful.

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Speaker 2: Mama Goo is a global maternal health and education platform,

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Speaker 2: but really the goal is training doulas, nurse care managers

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Speaker 2: doula benefits. And then really, you know, as we think

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Speaker 2: so we also help to ensure that people get paid

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Speaker 2: ensure that we can make impact. And so like as

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Speaker 2: you said, the three thousand dulas that we've trained, are

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Speaker 2: we can match do thos with families, but then they

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Speaker 2: that as well. Yeah, I'm so proud of the work

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Speaker 1: But I have to start with a basic question. Sure,

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Speaker 1: how did you start Mama Glow, Where did it come from?

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Speaker 1: What were you doing before? And then when did it?

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Speaker 2: Is so I I started Mama Glow after my son

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Speaker 3: And we were like, let's go in.

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Speaker 2: And we went in and we had a great conversation

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Speaker 3: Find out that they took my insurance. And here's another thing.

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Speaker 2: person who was basically underinsured because I was fresh out

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Speaker 2: and they were like, yes, we take Medicaid. And so

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Speaker 2: my copays were like five dollars. My son costs six

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Speaker 2: my goodness, it was six dollars.

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Speaker 2: Right, So this is the coverage that I got, and

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Speaker 2: it was amazing because again, you know, everyone treated me

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Speaker 2: here as we're talking about women of color, we are

434
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 2: not acknowledged for our gifts, for our brilliance, for the

435
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: for the singular, I mean, how singular we are when

436
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: we step into a space over.

437
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 3: The only one and people will act.

438
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: Like we are not here and that we are not

439
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: doing the damn thing, and it will in some ways,

440
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 2: it can cut, and it can feel like a thousand

441
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: tiny cuts, and sometimes you don't feel like you have

442
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: the ability to keep going, especially if things get challenging,

443
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: if no one's acknowledging the good you're doing.

444
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 3: And so sometimes it's.

445
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: Like doing these practices of cloaking yourself with love of

446
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: remind yourself that you're worthy, and also envisioning yourself being acknowledged. Also,

447
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 2: I think feels really good, especially in a world that

448
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: is always telling black and brown women and girls that

449
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: we are not enough, and we are and by the way,

450
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: you know how I know we are because we don't

451
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 2: have a choice, because we have to be forced to

452
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: outperform everybody, which is why you see black women the

453
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 2: most educated population in this country, and we're talking about

454
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: the United States highly educated, not because we wanted to

455
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 2: get all these degrees because we had to to be

456
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: able to compete. And by the way, when we get

457
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: into positions, and we were in positions of leadership and power,

458
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: we could have ran the whole thing. By the time

459
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: we get into a position where a subordinate is maybe

460
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: paid more as somebody who's alongside us, maybe paid even

461
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: comparably or more, but we're doing ten times the amount

462
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 2: of work. And so I know that we sit inside

463
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: of this face of being unacknowledged. I know we sit

464
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: inside of spaces where we are not reminded of our

465
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: brilliance and how amazing we are, and a lot of

466
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: times we do not feel loved. And I'm here to

467
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 2: remind us that. You know, part of it is creating

468
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: community so we can feel that. And then part of

469
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 2: it is like a cloaking of self love, constantly speaking,

470
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 2: blessing over yourself, constantly being in a space where we

471
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: do not do what we have been taught, which is

472
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: to self criticize, but to actually self actualize. That is

473
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: our job here, because nobody can do the work you

474
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: were put here to do.

475
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 3: I can't.

476
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: I can help bring it out of you, but I

477
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: can't help you do it. Mandy could sit here and

478
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: podcast all day and remind you about who the fuck

479
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: you are, But if you don't actually get up and

480
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: go do it, like, it's this amazing wasted potential right

481
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: Like it's like if you can't do the thing that

482
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: you were put here to do, like, then we don't

483
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: get to see it. And that, to me is the shame.

484
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: Is there's somebody out there who decides not to keep going,

485
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: like we don't get to see the brilliance and we

486
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 2: don't get to benefit from it as a community. And

487
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: so as black women, I always want to remind us

488
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: that that pouring in is so critical to keep going.

489
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Just listen to you build us

490
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: up all day. I mean, I think self love is

491
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: so crucial. It is a practice though, because there's days

492
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: where I am like so good to myself and there

493
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: are days when I'm so mean to her and I'm

494
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: just like, no, not too much on my friend Mandy,

495
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: like let's be kind yes, be kind of me, And

496
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: he said bullying stop stop stop the self bullying. Yeah, absolutely,

497
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: but it has to come from within, and I ice, yeah,

498
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: so that is a constant practice. I want to talk

499
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: just about Mike, I want to talk about I want

500
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,239
Speaker 1: to be I want to admit I'm a little bit

501
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: ignorant of the work of doulas and the work of

502
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I had pretty cookie cutter, vanilla pregnancy and

503
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: birthing experiences. I know, I'm very lucky. I also recognize

504
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: my privilege. I'm a light skinned woman of color. But

505
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the doula, Like, yes, doula

506
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: versus midwife, what are we question?

507
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: What are we getting?

508
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: What all comes with that? And what can you expect

509
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: and how do you know if you need one yeah

510
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: or not?

511
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: So first of all, I love that you have asked

512
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: what the difference is, because there is one, and there's

513
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: many differences, I should say, between douls and midwives. So

514
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: midwives are clinical care providers who are trained to provide

515
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: support along the entire women's health continuum.

516
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: So you can work with.

517
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: A midwife for well woman care and well care throughout

518
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: your reproductive journey, starting from men's thees through menoplause, right,

519
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: And these would be typically people who were in our

520
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: community and Midwiffree is actually one of the oldest known professions, right,

521
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: So we've always had midwives and this work is actually

522
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: really ancient, right, and so what they do is low

523
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: risk burn and that's typically for people who are you know,

524
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: like healthy and wanting to do birth in one of

525
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: three settings. It could be home, it could be a

526
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 2: birth center, and in some cases hospitals that do have

527
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: midwives on staff, right, and those would be certified nurse

528
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: midwives who will be on staff and hospitals, and so

529
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: it would depend on your choice and your avenue that

530
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: you select. So midwives are an option. The midway three

531
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: model of care centers the family and their needs and

532
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: so it doesn't center around the needs of those providing

533
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: the care, but those receiving the care. And that's a

534
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: difference in what we see in our normal sort of

535
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: healthcare model where the doctor is sort of at there's

536
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: a hierarchy and the doctor's at the top, right, and

537
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: it's really the physician that's centered versus the patient. So

538
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: doula is a non clinical care provider, meaning that they

539
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: provide all of the things outside of the clindict experience.

540
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: So that is going to be emotional support along the

541
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: pregnancy and birth continuum. It'll be education, advocacy tools. If

542
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: you have a partner present, they're going to support your

543
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: partner and get them up to speed on how to

544
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: best support you through the process.

545
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: And also it's about you know what my client's call is.

546
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: It like having a producer for your birth right, somebody

547
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: who's thinking about every aspect of this experience and how

548
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: it will go for you and making sure that you

549
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: have everything you need to navigate the experience.

550
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: Now, a couple things to think about.

551
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: You know when we talk about advocating, and we constantly

552
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: have this conversation about black women advocating for themselves and

553
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: you got to advocate, you got to advocate, yes, but

554
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: let me give a caveat There's two things that I

555
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: like to say about this. One is that you cannot

556
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: advocate in birth. At the same time, birthing is about surrender,

557
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: It's about transcendence. It's about opening, softening, being vulnerable.

558
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: You have to be in.

559
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: A space where you feel safety, you feel dignity, you

560
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: feel belonging, you feel like you are held, and in

561
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: that you can actually the hormones that are designed to

562
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: help facilitate birth can actually flow.

563
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: The experience can flow.

564
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: If you are fighting for your life, if you are

565
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 2: fighting for your safety, if you have to compromise your

566
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: safety for your dignity. If any of these things are

567
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: happening where you do not feel comfortable, you cannot birth.

568
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: So I want to just say that, because this idea

569
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: of advocating is about defending. It's about self defending. It's

570
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: about self really, it's about you know, protecting yourself. How

571
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: can I also protect myself but then also birth right?

572
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: I can do one or the other. I cannot do both.

573
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: And so we need to create atmospheres and settings that

574
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: do not require advocacy, that do not require me to

575
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: fight for my safety, fight for my dignity, fight to

576
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: be seen and heard, fight for medication for pain, fight

577
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: for like I should not be having to do this, right,

578
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: And this is what black women have been saying all

579
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: along when they talk about the experience of medical racism

580
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: in hospital settings. Right, that's number one. The other thing

581
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: I want us to think about when it comes, you know,

582
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: to this process is you know, in lieu of or editation,

583
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: in addition to not being able to advocate, you know,

584
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: while you're actually trying to birth your babies, is that

585
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: you know, when we're moving through this process, you know,

586
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: we feel this is a space of deep vulnerability.

587
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: Right, this is a space where.

588
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: You know people are not able to when you're when

589
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: you're actually birthing, a couple of things happen.

590
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: Right.

591
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: Your brain is in an altered state of consciousness. And

592
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: what typically happens is there's a lot of decisions that

593
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: you're being asked to make when you're not in the

594
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: frame of mind to actually make those decisions, right. And

595
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: so a lot of things happen that are non consensual

596
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: that people feel coerced in to doing or consenting to

597
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: and setting in a setting where they should be protected.

598
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: And so another thing, what like, well like signing a

599
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: paper for an epidural, Right, Like, how can I do

600
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: that when I'm in active labor and I'm in and

601
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: I'm in pain, and I'm in and out of contractions.

602
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: How can I sign ten pages of paperwork and read

603
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: it and really understand what I'm signing off for?

604
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, And so you can't write, you can't do

605
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: it in that state. And so I think.

606
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: That you need a birthing plan.

607
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: That is why you need a plan, but also you

608
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: need a duelah.

609
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: But you also need to read this information know about

610
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: it before.

611
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: Right.

612
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: We can't be in the moment trying to figure it

613
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: all out.

614
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: And I think the thing that my hospital did do

615
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: is they were like, we need a birth plan and

616
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: a lot of their nurses were midwives, I believe.

617
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: Which is amazing.

618
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got this really nice hospital. I'm curious though,

619
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: like when I I think about doulas or midwives, is

620
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: that person catching the baby?

621
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: So the midwife absolutely could catch the baby. A doula

622
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: is there as support, so it is not there to

623
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: deliver the baby, but they are there to like be

624
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: an extra set of hands, someone who's helping you. Yeah,

625
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 2: they're like, are you the leader for your birth?

626
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: Is it best to have both? Yes, you need the combo.

627
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: You need the combo. It's it's because it's a dream team.

628
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: Because it's like the clinicians do clinician things right, So

629
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: they're birthing the baby, they're monitoring you, making sure that

630
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: you're safe, taking care of all the clinical needs. But

631
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: then the doula can do all the emotional stuff, like

632
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: you know, like feeding you the water between contractions, you know,

633
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: giving you massage or or comfort measures while you're experiencing pain,

634
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: you know, breathing with you, maybe saying okay, let's walk

635
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: or let's dance or let me you know, use this

636
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: technique on you, right, yeah, dancing, he's very helpful right

637
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: in labor. But you know, changing position is you know,

638
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 2: like all these they.

639
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: Push the peanut ball in between the flip you over.

640
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: All of these things, right, the hands on support is

641
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: what the dula is doing. But another thing, like to

642
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: think about it like this, I always say to people,

643
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: like our job is to protect your memory of the experience, right,

644
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 2: Like I'm here to think about how you recall your birth.

645
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: I want to I'm invested in that story, right, I'm

646
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: invested in what that looks like when you tell people

647
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: what happened, when you recall it for yourself, when you

648
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: tell it to your children. What are you saying, right

649
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: when you when you have that, when you undergo the experience,

650
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: what is the story you tell? And part of what

651
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 2: we're doing is preserving that, right, preserving the experience, preserving

652
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: the memory of the experience. And the doula is there

653
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: really like as that you know, the keeper of the

654
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: birth village, right, Like there's a bunch of people who

655
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: are part of the birth right. You might have a

656
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: lactation provider, massage therapist, ttritionist. You have your OB or

657
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: your midwife, and you would have an OB or a midwife, right,

658
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: Like typically people would have one or the other, and

659
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: then they would have a doula, right, And so the

660
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: OB's and adula's work together if that's what you select

661
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: to work with an obgin or if you decide to

662
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: work with a midwife, and the midwife and the doula

663
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: work together, which is great. You know, and people you know,

664
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: if they're going to do a hospital birth. Not everybody's

665
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: a candidate for hospital birth. Some people are better for

666
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 2: home birth or out of hospital birth and a birth center.

667
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: Some people are better suited for that experience. And then

668
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: some people are most comfortable but also best suited in hospitals,

669
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 2: depending on like what some of their needs are, right

670
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: and regardless of what you have going on, even if

671
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: you have a complicated birth plan, like some people know

672
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: that they have a C section plan because of a

673
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: health concern, a doula is tremendously helpful in that experience

674
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: as well as a postpartumer recovery experience.

675
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: I think the postpartum experience is one that is so

676
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's just me, but I feel like

677
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of focus before and during the labor,

678
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: but then after it's very much like maybe you'll get

679
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: someone to come squeeze your boob for you and teach

680
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: you how to do the seahold. And now there are

681
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: more resources. I remember I went to lactation elactation support

682
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: group at my hospital after I had to seek that

683
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: kind of stuff out though. And just having a non mother,

684
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: like a non relative of yours, but just someone who's

685
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: there for your best interests and who really knows what

686
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: to expect. I wish. I love the idea of having

687
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: that sort of resource postpartum. So when yeah, and is

688
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: that something that a doula can provide? Like you know,

689
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: there's the feeding and like the are they sleeping enough?

690
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: Am I?

691
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: You know, like how can I navigate this? Is this normal?

692
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 1: Is that normal?

693
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

694
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's a couple things so postpartum doulas this

695
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: is the role right to come in and make sure

696
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: that you feel confidence in your transition into new parenthood.

697
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: A couple things to think about with right is that

698
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: you have things like baby nurses. Right, they come in,

699
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: they're thinking about sleep, they're changing diapers or feeding babies

700
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: or doing a lot of like hands on support, but

701
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: they are not really there for you. And when you

702
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: just gave birth, right, like, the people who are there

703
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: for you really is that postpartum doula who's helping you

704
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 2: with recovery, helping you to get those underwear on if

705
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: you have like the pad sickles and you're putting on

706
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: the postpartum underwear, and it's a whole thing. Helping with

707
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: things like that, Helping with meals right, maybe organizing a

708
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: meal train, making sure you're having adequate nutrition postpartum, you know,

709
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: helping you with things like organization like how am I

710
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: going to organize the nursery or my space? Or where

711
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 2: the diapers go versus where the breastmelt goes versus where

712
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: the bottles go, like all these things helping you to

713
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: put things in order and organize your life for success. Right,

714
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: So they're thinking about systems as well and also there

715
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: for you to help you build confidence as new parents.

716
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: So a do look can also help you as you're

717
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: changing diapers, help you with you know, skills or with swaddling,

718
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 2: teaching you things but also not doing it for you

719
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: so much as like helping you do it and then

720
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: thinking about like okay, when the baby goes down, like

721
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: it's time for you, right, So they'll observe feedings, they'll

722
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: you know, make sure you're eating, resting. But then also,

723
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: you know, we'll spend some time helping you process your

724
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: labor experience, do things like you know, like recap that

725
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: experience with you. Maybe also even you know, help you

726
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: to if you've had some experience where maybe there was

727
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: challenge come on the other side of that, to be

728
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: able to you know, process that experience that you're not

729
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: carrying the pain of what that might have been like

730
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: or trauma for some people into the next experience right

731
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: or into your parenting right, and just you to close

732
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: out and experience of birthing as well.

733
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Speaker 1: Right, Hey, ba fam, we're gonna take a quick b

734
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: pay some bills, and we'll be right back. Welcome back,

735
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: be a fan. Let's get back to the show. That's

736
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: such an interesting point, especially if you've had a not

737
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: great experience. Sometimes you're in the moment and you don't

738
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: really know how to process it, and then afterward you

739
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: start replaying things and then it can start to really

740
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: like oh that's and so with a doula, I mean,

741
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: do you just you just show up at a certain

742
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: hour like okay, postpartum, I'm going to have you here

743
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: from two to five pm every day, or.

744
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: You design it.

745
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: However, for folks who find the right dula, right, there's

746
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: a vibe, there's an energy. So when you're meeting in

747
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: your interview and you're like, oh, like we get along

748
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: really well, and you think, oh, we have some cultural

749
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 2: you know, things that main line up or this is

750
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: happening in my life, and you're like, oh cool. So

751
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: it's like there's sometimes these these areas of interest or

752
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: overlap in terms of like culture or lifestyle or background

753
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: and things like that that can also help ridge those gaps.

754
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: But most of the time, when people are looking for this,

755
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: they're kind of ready right to like open up and

756
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: or need a container to open up into. And oftentimes,

757
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: more often than not, people are isolated in this experience.

758
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: A lot of people come to it and they don't

759
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: have friends who've had kids, or they may be the

760
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: only friend that they'ell pregnant at the time, or they

761
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: may be a new city or whatever's happening in their life,

762
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: or like you lived through COVID, right, like a lot

763
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 2: of people having babies in isolation with no family members around,

764
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: Like that's struggle, that's hard trauma, right, Like it's.

765
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: Hard for me to go back to that time.

766
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 2: I could understand why, because there's a lot there, right,

767
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: And so the doula's role is to help mitigate that

768
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 2: and to help you feel more safe.

769
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: And calm, but also held.

770
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: In your vulnerability. Like I like to think about how

771
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: we swaddle newborns, like swaddling a new family, swallowing a

772
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: new mother as they navigate this experience, right, and then

773
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: Dula does that really well?

774
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean for you as the doula, it must

775
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: be hard to make that connection and then move on

776
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: down the road. Pack up your little doula suitcase.

777
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: I don't know.

778
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: Do you stay in.

779
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: Touch with your There's a lot of women in touch

780
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: with still and folks.

781
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: Did I read that you were Alicia Keys's doula? I

782
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: was is that like a known? I was like that,

783
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: I thought that was public?

784
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 3: It is, like, I love her really great.

785
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: We actually get to do a partnership later from Mother's Day,

786
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 2: which I'm so excited about.

787
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: She does strike me as she is so ethereal and earth,

788
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: just like of course she would have a doula.

789
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was so into it. It was great. I

790
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: love her. Yeah, so she's great.

791
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: So do you still do it? I mean, like, is

792
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: it hard for you as a business now your business

793
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: is growing, now you're training a.

794
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: Doulas it's anymore.

795
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, because of my schedule, you know, because university my

796
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: course was embedded at Brown University, where I teached right,

797
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: medical students, medical collegy students, bioethics, public health, they'll be

798
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: guying pre med.

799
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I think as entrepreneurs, So thepreneurs, you're hoping

800
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: to get to that level where you're not having to

801
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: do the you know, the day to day and that

802
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: you can focus on the bigger picture growth strategy and

803
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: just increasing the reach.

804
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: Yes, creating more opportunities and all that.

805
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, which which is better a better use of my

806
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: time as an individual, right to make more opportunity for

807
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: three thousand people who are in our network versus something

808
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: just for me, right, And so so that's how I

809
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: kind of see, you know, but I have had the

810
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: privilege of doing you know, I think the last you know,

811
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: I would say, the last couple of births, it was

812
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: really like one a year, you know, because I was

813
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: doing like three to four month, you know, back in

814
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: the day. But yeah, so then I got to like,

815
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: you know, I would say like last year, the in

816
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: the year before was like once you know that I

817
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: was able to do them for people who I really love,

818
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 2: like I've done you know, like Alicia like you said,

819
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: and Ashley Graham and Hath the way, DJ Khaled, you

820
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 2: know a lot of you know people, And I guess.

821
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: All these people have home births. I think actually Graham

822
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: had a home birth right for her twins. She had

823
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: a home birth yea, and she posted something about that, sorry,

824
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 1: she had.

825
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: Two home births.

826
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: It looks so beautiful.

827
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, damn.

828
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean I had a great, beautiful experience that I

829
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: will cherish it. But it also looks I mean, just

830
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: the pictures. I love looking at pictures of births now

831
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: and some people get weirded out by it. But it

832
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: is the most beautiful.

833
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: Thing is because you know, it's just I.

834
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: Could just get like I'm like buzzing just thinking about it. Magic.

835
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: It's awesome also because it happens once, right, Like you

836
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 2: only have one birthday, you know, and then after that

837
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: it's just anniversaries every year it's one birthday. And so

838
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: when you capture that, you're capturing the one time that

839
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: someone arrived for the very first and only time to

840
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: this planet. Right through this portal of the body from

841
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: heaven or ever that came through darkness into light. They

842
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: are born. And it only happens once and each time,

843
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 2: and you've been able to do it twice, right, each time,

844
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: it's the first time again, right, Like it's the only

845
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: time with that baby each time, right, And so you

846
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: get to do it over and over, which is beautiful

847
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: if you do it more than once, and you've had

848
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: the opportunity to be reborn again into motherhood. But like

849
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: people have to understand what we want to protect is

850
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 2: the sancty this experience, because it is holy, it is otherworldly.

851
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: It is to be protected. They come on the other

852
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 2: side of that, it's like they can use the power

853
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: that emerges from that experience of birthing to ask for

854
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: increase in their pay at work, to ask for a raise.

855
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: They can use that energy to ask and demand from

856
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: what they want. In other spaces, they use that to

857
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: claim up take up more space in the world. Literally,

858
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: your body expands and takes up more space, right like

859
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: the ones who get to live into that power in

860
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: that moment bring that with them, and so that is

861
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: another reason why it has to be protected.

862
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 3: It's not just about huge opportunity, well.

863
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: Process, it is a huge opportunity for us to actually

864
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: become more self actualized.

865
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: Right.

866
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: If you come to Momaglo doula training, you'll learn all

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Speaker 2: of this, which is what doulas are learning, nurses are learning,

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Speaker 2: and we are the market leader. So if you want

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Speaker 2: to learn how to do this, if you want to

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Speaker 2: have this experience for yourself, you can hire one of

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Speaker 2: them into these spaces so that they feel informed. Right,

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Speaker 2: And so that's another thing to think about too. Take

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Speaker 2: doula training just to even prepare you for birth itself.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's really smart. Yeah, yeah, Well.

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Speaker 1: We'll make sure that all the links are in the

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Speaker 1: show notes. Late than I could talk to you forever,

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Speaker 1: Lathan Thomas, thank you so much, y'all. You chok the

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Speaker 1: show notes for Mama glow, how to go to all

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Speaker 1: of the trainings if you want to get doula certified

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Speaker 1: trained what's the word? Okay, certified and find out more

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Speaker 1: about our beautiful I want to call you the Globe, Maven,

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Speaker 1: because that's fine. You are on Instagram find her at

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Speaker 1: the Globe. Even what else did I forget?

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Speaker 3: I'm just so label.

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Speaker 1: I'll have you back. We'll have you back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I try to come back. But I love you.

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Speaker 3: I'm so proud of you.

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Speaker 2: I just have to say this, y'all, that people like

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Speaker 2: Mandy and what you are doing here, and even when

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Speaker 2: I met you, I was like, Okay, first of all,

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Speaker 2: like fast friends, love her energy all the way, like

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Speaker 2: just immanating energy, like dripping in love and support of

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Speaker 2: other women. But the other thing that I really love

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Speaker 2: is that you're, like, you know, talking about how you

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Speaker 2: want to continue to build what you all have done

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Speaker 2: so beautifully here to impact more of us. And I

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Speaker 2: love that you were like not it was not enough.

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Speaker 2: Like as she was speaking to me when we met

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Speaker 2: at Afrotech, one of the things I took away was

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Speaker 2: that there was this level of satisfaction, like look what

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Speaker 2: we've done, but also I know we can do more.

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Speaker 2: And it was like that that I found really inspiring,

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Speaker 2: that you want to continue to impact people, you want

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Speaker 2: to continue to touch people, and that you're driven to

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Speaker 2: do so. And so I just think that's amazing because

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Speaker 2: sometimes we get to a place where we're like this

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Speaker 2: is cool, and then we shift our focus. And what

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Speaker 2: I found in meeting you was that you were like, no,

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Speaker 2: this is time to go deeper and then find other

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Speaker 2: ways to do more and explore other tentacles. And I

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Speaker 2: found that to be really refreshing. But also just know, y'all,

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Speaker 2: she reaches everybody. This is an amazing pod. I'm so

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Speaker 2: honored to be on here. I was so excited to

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Speaker 2: be invited. First of all, I feel honored because I'm

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Speaker 2: listening like this is one of my shower listens, by

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Speaker 2: the way, So I'm thankful to be on here, and

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Speaker 2: I just appreciate you so much for the opportunity and

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Speaker 2: thank you again.

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Speaker 1: Listen. The way that we guess each other up as

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Speaker 1: black women should be studied by science, because literally my

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Speaker 1: face hurts from just like the smile I've had to

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Speaker 1: have plastered on this.

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Speaker 3: Old time regular offer.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just thankful for you I'm so thankful to

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Speaker 1: know you too, Latham, and whatever forces came together to

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Speaker 1: put us at that dinner table together. Just thank you

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Speaker 1: all right, back at you love all right, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining me. La than ba Fam. Check

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Speaker 1: the show notes for all links and how you can

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Speaker 1: stay tuned and learn more about Mama Glue. Okay, be

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Speaker 1: a fam. Thank you, Thank you so much for listening

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Speaker 1: to this week's show. I want to shout out to

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Speaker 1: our production team, Courtney, our editor, Carla, our fearless leader

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Speaker 1: for idea to launch productions. I want to shout out

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Speaker 1: my assistant Lauda Escalante and Cameron McNair for helping me

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Speaker 1: put the show together. It is not a one person project,

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Speaker 1: as much as I have tried to make it so

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Speaker 1: these past ten years. I need help, y'all, and thank

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Speaker 1: goodness I've been able to put this team around me

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Speaker 1: to support me on this journey and to y'all bea fam.

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Speaker 1: I love you so so so so much. Please rate, review, subscribe,

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