1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Frye and 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Oh lordie. We talked about Charles 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: Goodyear this this week. We did, dude. Yeah, So if 5 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: he had made all the decisions he made and it 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: were just him, if it was just him, yeah, fine, 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: maybe going to debtor's prison, maybe being in a like 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: rented room, eating beans with no money and in debt, 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: I would not have found him very frustrating. But the 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: fact you are a man who loves your work. Yeah, 11 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: the fact that he had a wife and a bajillion 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: children and parents that he was trying to also take 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: care of. And we can make a whole argument about 14 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: how like it was not okay that society made it 15 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: so that he was the one responsible and that the 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: other people in his life did not have the same 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: power to earn money or whatever. That was a society 18 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: he was living in. It was his job. He was 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: not to write the job. Yeah, to pursue to pursue 20 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: his dreams of rubber well. And it's weird, right, There's 21 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: something psychological that's very puzzling to me. Like I found. 22 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: The more research I did about, the more like angry 23 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: and frustrated I became. By the At one point my 24 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: husband had walked into my office and I was just like, 25 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: I'm just so tired. Yeah, just because it's really frustrating 26 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: to Like, it's like if you have a friend that 27 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: keeps making bad choices and it's painful to watch them 28 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: make bad choices over and over. I was like, you 29 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: you willfully kept making bad choices when like someone would 30 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: be like, here's your escape hatch, and you'd be like, no, dude, 31 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep struggling. Yeah, and again. It was all 32 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: trial and error, so it wasn't like he was like, well, 33 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: my formulas have gotten me. I really think I've worked 34 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: it out. I just need to make it. He was 35 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: just like, I'm gonna try something else. Yeah. Yeah. I 36 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: also understand the friends that helped him out with money 37 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: feeling deeply frustrated by him. Yes, but I also advocate 38 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: if someone in your life needs help and you help them, 39 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: you have helped. Let's put this out of your mind, 40 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: right right, right, Like you can focus on the fact 41 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: that that person owes you money forever, or you consider 42 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: that this was a gift that you gave that person 43 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: to help them. Yeah. Yeah, And I think I think 44 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: some of his friends were like that. They were like, yeah, 45 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: I give you a gift. But the we mentioned that 46 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: he got that like seven bucks from a friend that 47 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: came with a letter that was pretty chastising. But it 48 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: sounded like I did not read that letter. I only 49 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: have it literally from Good Years writings and another biographer, 50 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: and even they make it sound like the guy was like, 51 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm only doing this because I care about your wife 52 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: and your kids. You gotta like get your act together, dude. Yeah. Yeah, 53 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: And it wasn't like that one, you know, in that 54 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: case is alone. That one is literally like a I'm 55 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: trying to help you, but also you also have to 56 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: help you. Which I would love to read that letter 57 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: because if you know I wrote that letter today, it 58 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: would be very strongly worded. But I think in a 59 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: lot of the cases when people were like when he 60 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: was having his debts called in, most of those are 61 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: people he had made business deals with that they were like, 62 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: I want to invest in you. You're right, rubber is 63 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: the future great? Right? Oh crap, you don't, Oh, but 64 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: you're doing right. That's a very different situation and probably 65 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: or possibly one that involved written out terms of how 66 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: this financial arrangement was gonna work and when payment was 67 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: due and all of that. Yeah. Probably, I uh yeah, 68 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: he was such a billy dreamer, and I in many 69 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: ways I love people like that. I love people that 70 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: have these ideas that they just become obsessed with. Like, 71 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: I love that concept, but again, not when you're actively 72 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: hurting people because you are ignoring the needs of those 73 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: you're supposed to care for. Yeah, Like, I feel like 74 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: the coda of his life kind of has a similar moment. Right, 75 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: he had a five day old child when he left 76 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: to go to Connecticut. Now that's not to say that 77 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: he shouldn't have gone to his dying daughter, but also 78 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: he's leaving his wife behind and who is postpartum to 79 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: do that, And she ended up having to travel not 80 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: long after while she was still physically probably recovering from 81 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: having a kid. Right. I don't know where the baby 82 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: was in this, if the baby stayed behind in DC, 83 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: or if she took the baby with her, But like, 84 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if they had a discussion where he's like, 85 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: I hate to do this, but I gotta go because 86 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: of the things he did throughout his life. I suspect 87 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: he just said that I gotta go part and then what, Yeah, 88 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: I didn't mean to do a smear campaign against Charles Goodyear, 89 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: but it's a little bit tricky not to. Sometimes, you know, 90 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: we there's this tendency and a lot of writing about 91 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: inventors to assume that if they invented something important, they 92 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: were great men, okay, And often that leads to like 93 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: some whitewashing of their real truth, including I mean it 94 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: goes right too, like oh, and then his father's hardware 95 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: store had to close. No, it was his harved store, right, 96 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: He went out on his own and screwed up on 97 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: his own by his own self, Like I just there's 98 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that often softens kind of the 99 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: poor decision making that it was prote. It also reminds 100 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: me in some ways of the way that a lot 101 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: of people talk about writers and artists and other people 102 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: who are working in some kind of creative field and 103 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: really romanticizing that and making the act of creativity seem 104 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: like an otherworldly situation, when a lot of this is 105 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: really like, that's someone's job, and of course he's temperamental, 106 00:06:54,360 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: he's a creator, right, And like he said, sure, there's 107 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: many many layers that I find incredibly frustrating in that 108 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: kind of discussion that I think is connected to the 109 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: fact that he he tried all of these different things 110 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: and came up with a really important invention that kind 111 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: of makes it seem like a romantic ideal rather than Yeah, 112 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: a disaster financially for his family that went on for years. Yeah, 113 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: and often when he had options that could have saved 114 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: them and kept himself afloat, he turned them down. That's 115 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: the thing that I always get. I do want to 116 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: end this on a more fun note, though, Okay, because 117 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: there was no is the sneakers are probably still coming 118 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: because you know, I love me some shoes. There is 119 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: a fun part in my opinion of his obsessive inventiveness, 120 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: which is, okay, you know, it all started for him 121 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: his pursuit of perfecting rubber because he had bought a 122 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: life preserver and it needed some tweaking to really work 123 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: as well as it could. I found myself in that 124 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: moment wondering, why is this man buying a life preserver 125 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: like he didn't that he have a boat. He's literally 126 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: like already struggling financially, I never saw anything about a boat, 127 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: but he really wanted a life preserver. And then there's 128 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: a portion of his book where he talks about how 129 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: important life preservers are, Like I don't know if he 130 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: had a formative experience that made him afraid of the 131 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: water or afraid of drowning, but he had this vision 132 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: of really like creating just literal boatloads of safety equipment 133 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: for ships. He thought, not only should they all have 134 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: like the latest and greatest life preservers at all times, 135 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:02,599 Speaker 1: he thought that even like furnish should have like recessed 136 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: pockets where inflatable things would pop out of and you 137 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: can inflate them, and people could like use a table 138 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: as a life preserver essentially, if you know, they had 139 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: these rubber balloons that would come out and that they 140 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: can inflate. Like every piece of furniture should also have 141 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: this dual function of being potentially like a not just 142 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: a like oh I can float on this piece of wood, 143 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: but like a custom made form of life preserver functionality, 144 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: which is actually pretty fascinating to me. But nobody really 145 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: got as excited about that as was the case many 146 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: times with them. But I can't imagine if you're around 147 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: somebody who keeps going I have a great idea and 148 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: they keep kind of messing up, or like they don't. 149 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: They have the idea, they've developed it, and then they 150 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: don't like get it to the finish line because they're 151 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: busy with another idea. We don't like to diagnose, but 152 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: I do recognize game recognizes game. There may have been 153 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: some MEDHD in that mix, but like how people would 154 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: be like mm hm cool Charles, Yeah, everything's a life 155 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: preserver yep, yep, yep. Like I could see why he 156 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: didn't get a lot of buy in from the people 157 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: a wrapt But from a creativity standpoint, I think those 158 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: are kind of fascinating ideas. Yeah, I'm talking about one 159 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: of my favorite things this week. It was HeSE shoes. Listen, 160 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: I love the shoes. We all we all know. It's 161 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: not a secret. I did want to mention for people 162 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: that are interested in the more modern stuff that I 163 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: said we were not getting into, Like we kind of 164 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: took any of the modern companies up to basically the 165 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: point where they kind of became really established, and then 166 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: we left off. But there is a great series of 167 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: books called All Gone that started in two thousand and 168 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: six by Michael Dupoi, and it basically, you know, catalogs 169 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: like limited edition sneakers and stuff, and you can watch 170 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: like the way different designs get you know, these short 171 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: burst runs or like collaborations, et cetera. And I just 172 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: love it. To me, that's a really interesting way to 173 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: look at like the way fashion is evolving in relation 174 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: to shoes. Love it, love it, love it. I just 175 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: want to mention that there are a lot out there 176 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: as well, of other books about modern shoe culture and 177 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: sneaker heads. Here's why I don't consider myself a sneakerhead. 178 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: I love sneakers, I don't have Holy Grail shoes. Generally, 179 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm more like, oh my god, this came out and 180 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: I'm in love with it. I'll buy it, but I 181 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: don't collect in any kind of ordered manner, and I 182 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: wear mine, which I know a lot of people don't. 183 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: There was a thing, gosh, I'm really like the memory 184 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: banks just kind of spat this one out just now. 185 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: I remember seeing, you know, one of those viral videos 186 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: of a guy proposing to his beloved courtside at a 187 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: basketball game, and when he got down on one need 188 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: there were a lot of people in the comments going, 189 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, he's going to crease those Jordans, and 190 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, because they're sneakers are supposed to 191 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: wear them. But I know for a lot of people 192 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: that is the end of their value. Yeah, and I'm 193 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: not like that, which is why I don't think of 194 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: myself as being part of that culture. It's like the 195 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: never removed from box dolls. I have some of those, 196 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: but my thing is not about their value. It's that 197 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: usually the way they are put in the box for 198 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: merchandizing purposes looks prettier than anything that's going to happen 199 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: once I get it out. Oh sure, because a lot 200 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: of times box design is also its own art. So 201 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: I do have a lot of toys that are still 202 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: in their boxes, but it's usually for that reason or 203 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: I'm like scared a cat will bite it if it 204 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: has very appealing looking for something. But yeah, that's why 205 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't ever be in it. I just 206 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: want fun shoes, and I like, yeah, I'd love having 207 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: shoes custom printed when I can. There are a lot 208 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: of services that do that. Now it's a problem. I'm 209 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: just saying I love shoes I'm going to reference several 210 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: things that you're not gonna remember, but please come with 211 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: me on this journey. Okay, I'll try one, and it's 212 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: going to keep happening because, as you said, there's a 213 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: guarantee that we'll have Samuel Plimsol talk coming up soon. 214 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: But the whole time I was working on this, I 215 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: could not get the song a million miles away out 216 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: of my head. Do you remember this song? I would 217 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: probably recognize that if I heard it, but I'm it's 218 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: throwing it to mind the early nineteen eighties. It's from 219 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: a band called the plim Soles Okay p L I 220 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: ms so u L. Although they pulled that name from 221 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: the shoe and they were very popular in the early 222 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties' la scene. But they were in the movie 223 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: Valley Girl that came out in nineteen eighty three starring 224 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage. They actually performed like in the club in 225 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: that movie, and I that song is emblazoned on my 226 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: memory forever. So every time Samuel Plimsel's name comes up, 227 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: it just starts with your singing funny, just starts it again, 228 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: and it's a good song. So I'm had for it. 229 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: There's no problem. That's no problem the other And if 230 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: anybody else knows about this one, I feel like I 231 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: keep referencing things I saw in magazines growing up that 232 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: I am like, where did this go? There was a 233 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: time and I first saw it in a magazine where 234 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: Vans was doing this program where if you sent them 235 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: a yard of fabric and like money, they would make 236 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: you a custom pair of shoes with it. WHOA. And 237 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: I was obsessed with this concept, and I saved up money, 238 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: and I saved up money and I saved up money, 239 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: and when I had enough money, the program had ended, 240 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: and I was like, Oh, the saddest sad of sad town. 241 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: That is how bad, Which is probably why I I 242 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: am so obsessed with designing shoe prints today and getting 243 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: them printed because I love that biz. I love a 244 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: custom shoe. Oh, I love a custom shoe. I will 245 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: customize them myself if I have to just shoes anyway, 246 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: the Van's mail in the dream. I want to know 247 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: if anybody did that, how it came out, if they 248 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: still have those shoes, I hope they do. Like I 249 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: just think that's a fraught concept. And I first saw 250 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: it in a magazine like you know, one of those 251 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: like fashion and lifestyle magazines for like teens and young women. Sure, 252 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: I don't remember which one, but I sure do remember 253 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: seeing it and going yeah, because I want it all 254 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: part of it. I can't type the word tennis without 255 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: typing tennish it. I tried to catch them all. I 256 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: did not in this episode, as you no doubt noticed. 257 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: I just could not do it. I only noticed because 258 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: it's it tripped you up. It didn't trip me up. Oh, 259 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: it's tish tennish. One of the other things that came 260 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: up a lot in research, particularly when I was trying 261 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: to identify as much information as I could about sand shoes, 262 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: and I was looking at old newspapers, story after story. 263 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: At first I thought they were all talking about the 264 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: same story. No, it kept happening. Theft of sand shoes. 265 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: Apparently this was a real problem in the eighteen eighties 266 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: and nineties, where people would go to the beach and 267 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: they wouldn't like they weren't like aqua shoes where you 268 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: might wear them right into the water. It seemed like 269 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: people would leave their shoes on the beach and then 270 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: go into the water, and little hoodlums would come and 271 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: steal those shoes, and there was just notice after notice 272 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: of like so and so sandish sand shoes were stolen 273 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: from this beach. At this time, investigators are on it, 274 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, oh, my lord, can you imagine 275 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: being the detective who gets another theft of They're just 276 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: like time to your wrist or something. Guys. This is 277 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: I have other stuff. The Dassler Brothers, that whole story 278 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: is a lot. There are a lot of books written 279 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: about it. There are a lot of news pieces written 280 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: about it because it really changed their town where they 281 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: grew up, because they kind of divided the town. There 282 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: was one article I was reading, and I don't remember 283 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: which one it was, but it is in our sources 284 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: that was about how like for a lot of people, 285 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: it was like, are you an Adidas person or are 286 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: you a Pumas person? Where do your parents work? Which 287 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: factory do they work at? What are you like? That's 288 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: all you would be wearing? There was no crossover. It 289 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: was very wild. The whole wild thing with the war 290 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: is really fascinating because apparently, and don't anybody quote me 291 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: on this, because I did a very fast read because 292 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: I wasn't getting deep into all of this. Apparently Rudy, 293 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: who had been called up in nineteen forty three, deserted 294 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty five. Woh, and he was captured and 295 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: was imprisoned for this, and he always blamed his brother, 296 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: saying that his brother had turned him in. Oh but again, 297 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: a lot of this is kind of like pieced together, 298 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: and we don't know the accuracy of it either. Apparently. Also, 299 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: their two wives really did not get along, and they 300 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: had continued to live in the family house with their 301 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: parents and their new wives and families, so it was 302 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 1: just like a bunch of people getting angrier and angrier 303 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: at each other for a while, and this once they 304 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: split in eighteen forty eight, it was a complete severing 305 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: of their relationship, to the point that when those two 306 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: men died many years later, they were buried on opposite 307 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: sides of the cemetery, so they wouldn't even be close 308 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: to each other, and the families would not see each 309 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: other if they happened to visit at the same time. 310 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: That's a feud. That's a yeah, that's a feud. I 311 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: mentioned at the top of the episode that you know, 312 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: their ethics issues to consider when buying things, and it's 313 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: something I think about a lot because I am a listen, 314 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: I'm a consumer in my soul. I love stuff. It's 315 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: not even it's not even like a thing where I 316 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: need the stuff. I just want one. I want to 317 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: support the creation of beautiful things, and two like I 318 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: just they're magical little things. I love them. But it 319 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: is harder, you know, when you realize how dicey these 320 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: some practices are. You have to start looking really really 321 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: closely at them, and it becomes a little bit weird. 322 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: So I just encourage everyone to do as as much 323 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: digging as you can on how companies run. Like I said, 324 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: there are still opaque parts of the supply chain though 325 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: it's hard as a consumer to get the whole picture. 326 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: But more and more watchdog groups are always trying more, 327 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: and our companies do seem to be trying, but there's 328 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: always that level of suspicion of like, are you really 329 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 1: disclosing everything? But sure, anyway, trying to be an ethical 330 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: consumer is its own job in many ways. I do 331 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: also want to reference something else that I loved and 332 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: is gone but lives on in a weird way. Going 333 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: back to that custom shoe thing, there was a company 334 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: briefly named custom Attics, and Customatics was magical because they 335 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: it was started. I forget what companies they worked for. 336 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: It was started by a couple two or three guys 337 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: that had worked for some of the big sneaker manufacturers 338 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: and had kind of all felt like they hit the 339 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: ceiling and they wanted to do something new for themselves, 340 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: and they basically put together this site where you could 341 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: kind of design your own shoes and like they would 342 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: have a model, but they had a very wide range 343 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: of like finishes you could pick. They had a wide 344 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: range of shoes, like I have some very cute silver 345 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: boots that I got from them. Still, I got a 346 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: lot of sneakers from them. They did like skate shoes. 347 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: They did all the stuff, and then you could do 348 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: additional things like have various embroidered motifs on it. Like 349 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: I just it was a terrific, terrific site, and they 350 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: also were very much in the hey, the shoe industry 351 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: needs to change. They were very forthcoming about here is 352 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: the factory that we're using, here's what we did to 353 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: set it up. Here's how we're trying to compete with 354 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: other factories in the area and make sure that like 355 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: our employees are getting better treatment. Again, I want to say, 356 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: it's not like I'm boots on the ground. I'm going 357 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: by what they said, so there's always possibility. But what's 358 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: interesting is that they eventually had to shudder. However, Converse, 359 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: which is now owned by Nike, bought their customization software. 360 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: So if you go to the Converse site now and 361 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: you build yourself a pair of Chucks, you're essentially using 362 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: the software and the whole back end that they built. 363 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: And this was years ago. This was in the late nineties. 364 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: I think that they were making this maybe early two thousands, 365 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: but it's the function is still very similar to how 366 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 1: it was on those old customatics. Anyway, sneaker people, rise up. 367 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 1: I live I live for it. I live for it. 368 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to bore you a shoe talk talk shit talk. 369 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: I just love it. I love seeing I love seeing design. 370 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: I also have that problem. I think we've talked about 371 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: this on the show before. I don't like having the 372 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: same stuff as other people. Yeah, I just don't. It's 373 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: fine if you do, but I never have since I 374 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: was very small, which is why I started making my 375 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: own clothes, which is why there's a workshop. I want 376 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: to go to where you make your own sneakers. Yeah, 377 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: I just need to little rally a couple of people 378 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: to go with me so we can all have like 379 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: a sneaker getaway. But then they're going to be like, wow, 380 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: you're weird about this, So we'll see what the success 381 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: level is. There are also kids you can do, and 382 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: I might. I might invest in one or two of 383 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: those because the problem is that I'm going to want 384 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: to make two bazillion pair and I have, as you mentioned, 385 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: a lot of shoes. How many I don't know. We 386 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: don't do that kind of reckoning in our house. Once 387 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: it passes a certain threshold. I'm like, like the rugaroo, 388 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: I can't count past a certain number and I refuse 389 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: to do it. I won't do it the number is 390 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: more than thirteen. But yeah, I don't know the numbreak. Yeah, 391 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: now I'm thinking about what shoes I'm going to pack 392 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: for an upcoming trip. Anyway, Do you have any other 393 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: thoughts on shoes? No, you're like, no, you I tapped 394 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: out it did the ee. I do not have the 395 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: same love for shoes, and I also have wide toes 396 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: in a narrow heel, and I have a hard time 397 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: finding shoes that fit me well, because at the stage 398 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: of my life, I am unwilling to cram my toes 399 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: into shoes that do not have enough room for them 400 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: me either, So I tend to find a shoe that 401 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: I like, that fits me well, that holds up to 402 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: the long distances that I like to walk around, and 403 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: then I will buy that is just the shoe that 404 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: I will buy uever until they change the last, until 405 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: they change the last, and then I will I will 406 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: walk in them until either the internal support breaks down 407 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: or until the soles are worn out, and then I 408 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: will put them in the shoe recycling thing and get 409 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: a new one. Usually, if mine start to get to 410 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: the point where they're breaking down, with a few exceptions, 411 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: they kind of get semi retired where they're on the 412 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: shelf and I love them and they might come out 413 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: for like a brunch once in a while. Yeah, they 414 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: don't stay in regular use after that point in time, 415 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: but you never know. You never know, and I do. 416 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: I have a lot of the pandemic caused this little 417 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: problem with both shoes and clothes, which is leading up 418 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: to when the pandemic started, I was traveling a lot 419 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 1: for work, we were doing some more live shows. I 420 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: was bolstering up my wardrobe of like nice shoes, heels, 421 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: and like cute suits and stuff that I would wear 422 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: for things like that. And now I still have them all, 423 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: but I don't have many occasions to wear them, right, 424 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't know where I would ever 425 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: want to put them. Yeah, I mean I know I 426 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: know where they're going when I'm gone, which is that 427 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: I have a person who will receive them all, who 428 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: wears my same size, and who I love very dearly, 429 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: and who knows that this is her legacy. So she's 430 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: going to get all the shoes. Yeah. But yeah, I 431 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: do have a lot that I just love, and some 432 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: of them are at this point I kind of go 433 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: in and visit and say I love you. I'm sorry 434 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 1: I haven't warn you. In a minute. Yeah, you'll have 435 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: your day again at some point, I promise. Insummation shoes, love, love, love, 436 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: Sorry if anyone finds that superficial, but to me, they 437 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: are marvels of design and architecture and engineering. Yeah. I 438 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: often see you when I see you in person, and 439 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: you will have great shoes on, and I admire the 440 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: great shoes that you have on. I just do not 441 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: put that kind of effort into my own shoes. There's 442 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: nothing better than a good shoe. Another thing about a 443 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: shoe is it as an investment as part of your wardrobe. 444 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: For the most part, you can retain their use longer 445 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: than like a pair of clothes. Right, you gain fifteen pounds, 446 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: your pants might not fit, but your shoes are probably 447 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: still gonna fit. And so like, they just don't suffer 448 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: the same sort of danger of investment as other wardrobe 449 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: pieces might. So they're great cute, and then they're hello, 450 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: kitty shoes, and then you gotta have your Star Wars shoes. 451 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: It's a company called Posu I was in love with 452 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: for a while that was making Star Wars shoes. I'll 453 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: tell this story and then I swear we're out. They 454 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: had made this very cute boot that when The Force 455 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: Awakens was being made. Their wardrobe group, whether I don't 456 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: know if it was a costume designer or someone else, 457 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: found this boot and used it. And it's the boots 458 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: that Ray wears in that movie and subsequent films. And 459 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: so then they entered into a deal with Lucasfilm to 460 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: produce those as like Ray boot and then they started 461 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: making these amazing like high tops and like low tops 462 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: and their whole thing. The reason I really fell in 463 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: love with them other than they were Star Wars shoes, 464 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: which I love, is that they were really based, like 465 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: entirely in sustainable shoemaking, and it was the first brand 466 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: that I knew that was really doing that. Like they 467 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: would literally have tons of information on their site about 468 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: how they made their bouncy souls, like their insuls from 469 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: coconut fiber, and how like the way that they ran 470 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: the rubber plantations and how they made sure that you know, 471 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: no one was exploited and everything was sustainable. And I 472 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: loved them for that reason. And then they had some 473 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: financial problems. They got bought out by some of the employees, 474 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: and I think they may have shut down because they 475 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: never quite got the same lineup going. But they were amazing, 476 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: and if you find any poseus on the secondary market, 477 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: highly recommend because they're great and you know they were 478 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: made with care. Okay, now I'm done for the moment 479 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: until we talked about Samuel Plimsel, But we won't talk 480 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: about shoes that day, I promise. If this is your 481 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: weekend coming up, listen. I hope you are the cutest 482 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: shoes to brunch. If you do that, I hope wherever 483 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: you go you wear whatever shoes make you feel the happiest. 484 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: If they're not cute, but they're so comfortable, they just 485 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: make you feel at ease. Those are the right shoes 486 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: whatever it takes to make you have the best weekend possible. 487 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: If you are working, I hope your shoes are so 488 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: comfortable they feel like walking on clouds that hug your 489 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: feet with just the right amount of bounced support. If 490 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: you are not working, I still hope your feet are 491 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: comfortable and that you are kind to them and you 492 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: take care of your feet because they're holding you up 493 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: and we need you. We are going to be back 494 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: here on Monday with a brand new episode. We will 495 00:29:53,200 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: also be back here tomorrow with a classic Stuff you 496 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: missed in History. Class is a production of iHeartRadio. For 497 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 498 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.