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Speaker 1: of the Colin Coward Podcast. Let me just say this,

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Speaker 1: it's a good week. Joel Klatt on really interesting thoughts

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Speaker 1: on UCLA football upset of the week in college football? Right,

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Speaker 1: Eli and Peyton Manning may have been the best podcast

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Speaker 1: we've ever done. Nick Wright, my favorite Nick Wright interview ever.

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Speaker 1: filet Okay. I'm here with Peyton and Eli Manning, both

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Speaker 1: number one picks, both two times Super Bowl champs, both

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Speaker 1: have been recruited heavily to join the broadcast world. Peyton,

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Speaker 1: I want to start with you. Was it the success

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Speaker 1: of Soup with Coop that led you to believe this

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Speaker 1: broadcasting thing would work for you? With al a doubt?

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Speaker 1: That just uh solidified everything that I thought. Uh, if

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Speaker 1: you can have a show involving soup, hey, that that

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Speaker 1: just tells you there's there's a future there. And you

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Speaker 1: have my brother, I mean, I have all these people

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Speaker 1: that text me, Hey, I'm doing Soup with Coop, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, like, why are you telling me? Like, what,

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Speaker 1: like do you think I Are you apologizing to me?

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Speaker 1: Are you congratulates you? I'm not sure what that means.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Eli and I haven't even been asked to

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Speaker 1: be on SUP with Coup Like I don't right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean what do you have to do to get

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Speaker 1: it in? By it? Eli? I guess he knows I

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Speaker 1: don't really like soup that much. Yeah, you have bad

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Speaker 1: SUP history. Yeah, it's interesting because Peyton I always it

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Speaker 1: was very obvious you did a lot of commercials. You

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Speaker 1: were funny. I everybody knew that and that you had

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Speaker 1: a lot of options. Eli is the Derek Jeter of

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Speaker 1: New York football. He now he's suddenly Chris Rock. We

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Speaker 1: had no idea until he retired. He's the funniest guy

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Speaker 1: in the world. So give me a backstory. I didn't

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Speaker 1: think of Eli as broadcast guy. I thought of you

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Speaker 1: as broadcast guy. Are you a little surprised that Eli

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Speaker 1: is now doing a stand up at Sheboygan on weekends?

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Speaker 1: He's like mister funny guy. Suddenly it's free. It's free

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Speaker 1: to get into see Eli. To do comedy, you don't

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Speaker 1: have to pay anything. Actually, they pay you to come

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Speaker 1: in and listen. You know, I think I think Eli

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Speaker 1: and I will probably both tell you that what we're doing, Colin,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it is. I'm not sure what

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Speaker 1: to call it, but it's not It's not your typical broadcast.

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Speaker 1: Um you know, critique if you will. It's at least

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Speaker 1: in my mind. Maybe I'm just lying to myself, but

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Speaker 1: I kind of see it as just two brothers watching

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Speaker 1: an NFL game at a bar, and the viewer is

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Speaker 1: watching it with us, and we're watching it as a fan, right,

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Speaker 1: And you may use the word ambassador, but really as

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Speaker 1: a fan. I mean I love watching football. I mean,

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Speaker 1: since I stopped playing, everybody said, hell, you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: Not true. I got to do it for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I love the fact that I got to play it,

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Speaker 1: and now I'm a fan. I like watching Mahomes play,

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Speaker 1: just like I used to like watching Brett Fahr play.

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Speaker 1: fact that I get to watch a Monday night game

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Speaker 1: You know, Eli never flew to Indianapolis from Monday night

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Speaker 1: dinner in two thousand and seven. And so that's cool,

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Speaker 1: and we get to maybe take the viewer behind the

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Speaker 1: ropes a little bit on what the coordinator is saying

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback in his helmets. And I'll call the

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Speaker 1: play to Eli and then Eli will repeat that to

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Speaker 1: the huddle. Right, take people behind the ropes on what

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Speaker 1: But the second and one running play Colin that nobody

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Speaker 1: So it's a conversational, it's more casual. But last thing

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Speaker 1: By the way, this is what I want to hear, Eli,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear two brothers talking. I'm not looking

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Speaker 1: the fans, hey, what is you know what he did

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Speaker 1: That's that's better for us because the fans, you know

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Speaker 1: Packers version, you know, at any point in his career.

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00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 1: I know Russell's been to another and could have too,

426
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 1: but Aaron also has been to five NFC Championship games

427
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: clearly could have. In fact, you know, the kind of

428
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: what's work in the road moment some would argue was

429
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: the one against Seattle where neither quarterback really played well,

430
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: but Aaron's team was way ahead, and then there's the

431
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: onside kick and then overtime Russell goes on, that's why

432
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: we didn't get Aaron versus Brady in the Super Bowl.

433
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: And so I do think that there would be there's

434
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Speaker 1: a you know, there isn't really an anti Russell Wilson

435
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 1: corner in the media to people either love him or

436
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,719
Speaker 1: don't really talk about him. And I think it's because

437
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 1: he doesn't touch on any pressure points for media members.

438
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: There's nothing like that rubs people the wrong way. But

439
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: if his personality will were a little bit different, what

440
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: you know, could you not imagine the rant of oh

441
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson first three years, two super Bowl appearances, one victory,

442
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, a playoff record this since then, since they

443
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: turned the team over to him, what's he done? Like?

444
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: People don't do that because people like him. And so

445
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 1: I do think that Aaron and Russell act very differently, obviously,

446
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: and I even though by the way, both married well

447
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: Russell married a celebrity. Aaron is marrying or dating or

448
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: engaged to a celebrity, as always dated celebrities, but we

449
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: react differently to them, and I think it's certainly colors

450
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: how they're covered, even though I would say Aaron's play

451
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: has been a touch more excellent over the course of

452
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: his career and they've done the same amount of winning. Yeah,

453
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: it's um, you know, Aaron's just I think I know

454
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Speaker 1: for fact that Aaron rolls his eyes a lot at

455
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and some of the religious stuff. You know,

456
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Speaker 1: Aaron's had a disconnect from his family, evangelical family, and

457
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: so I think even Aaron's talked about this publicly about

458
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: some I think he I think Aaron looks at Russell Wilson,

459
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: and there's been people who have said this before, other players,

460
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: they don't buy all of what Russell's selling for the record,

461
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: and the religion stuff. I'm not a religious guy, yeah,

462
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: I don't really. I don't know what Russell's faith is,

463
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: and I didn't know the evangelical stuff about Aaron's family

464
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Speaker 1: until you just said it. So it set the religion

465
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Speaker 1: part out of it. There's a lot of what Russell

466
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Speaker 1: Wilson does that is I rollable, Like there is a

467
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: lot of the and like just so well crafted and manicured,

468
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: obviously rehearsed personality that doesn't feel three dimensional, like there

469
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: is a lot of what I'll use an odd example.

470
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: They call it goldfishing. Oh really, well, I mean goldfishing

471
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: is when you go out and you put something on

472
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: Twitter just so it gets likes. Like, you know, you

473
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: say something about an obvious poor taste tweet, easiest stance

474
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Speaker 1: ever in the exactly that you know is going to

475
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: have approval, right, Yes, that not putting yourself out there

476
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: in the least. Like to use the late Kobe Bryant

477
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: as an example. Early in Kobe's career, he wasn't really

478
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 1: interesting to me because he was so guarded the way

479
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: Tiger had been basically forever. Right. And then Kobe, finally

480
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: late late in his career, got to the pardon the language,

481
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck mode and got really interesting, right,

482
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: He got really interesting, And I would like to see

483
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: that from Russell. Aaron's always been closer to that of

484
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: I think being his actual self and now is really

485
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: I mean you can see it, even as letting his

486
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: hair grow a little bit more sharing, more on social

487
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: media you can I like to get And by the way,

488
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: my guy Patrick Mahomes, it's not that interesting outside of football,

489
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: like because he is crafting what he hopes as a

490
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: billion dollar brand and so it's all you know what

491
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all prepackaged and prepared statements, tweets, how

492
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: he's going to present himself to the world. Yeah. Yeah,

493
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: there is something too where I will somewhat defend Aaron

494
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: because I'm not anti Eron all the time. Although it

495
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: feels like that is that both Farvan he though when

496
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: they met initially, you could have never convinced Aaron he

497
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: would become very far of like one was southern, one

498
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: was progressive West Coast, one's Cali cool, one's Southern chill.

499
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: That they've both become similar in their sort of retirement

500
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: talk and their frustration with the organization. And I wonder

501
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: if some of it is this that when you're in

502
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: Green Bay, you are the city. I mean, Matt Stafford

503
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: could put a hat on and walk through a mall

504
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: in la unnoticed. Mike Trout puts glasses on, could walk

505
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: through my yard unnoticed. Is that Farvin Rodgers are not

506
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: only great, but they're so iconic and they're so such

507
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: gigantic celebrities in an area without any any without any

508
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: it would end by the way like they would be.

509
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: This has been. This is why in City, my hometown,

510
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: it's so important if we get a great athlete that

511
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: they like it there because there's no famous people, Like

512
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: there's no famous people in Kansas City. But Kansas City

513
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: is a two sports city, you know, like the thirty

514
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: first biggest city in the country. Like it's a small

515
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: market compared to Chicago, Atlanta, all these things, but it's

516
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: decent city. Kansas City has suburbs. Suburbs of Kansas City

517
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: far bigger than Green Bay. Like, so it is. It

518
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: is an absurdity that Green Bay has a pro sports team, right,

519
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: It's like a it's it's an outlier that never got

520
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: fixed because of the history and the league. Likes are

521
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: all these things. I cannot imagine it is enjoyable to

522
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: be the most famous Packer the six months of the

523
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: year you have to live there. I just can't imagine

524
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: it's fun. Both far and Roger were incredibly likable for

525
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: the first decade of their stay there. Both became a

526
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: little less likable in their last half decade, So the

527
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: timing not suspicious. Is interesting, is that after ten years

528
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: of being almost a messiah, that any human being in

529
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: that space would be unique if it didn't Well, let

530
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: me ask you. Let me ask you a question because

531
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't know this. During the end of your time

532
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: at ESPN, did you live in Bristol? Oh? God, no,

533
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: was if you ever had to do things in Bristol

534
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: outside of the ESPN campus, was it brutal? Because I

535
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: would imagine it would have been like because Bristol's around, like,

536
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: because you're at that point you were one of, if

537
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: not the face of the network. There's not a lot

538
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: in that town other than the network, And I would

539
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: imagine you couldn't go to like a star Bucks nicely

540
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: and maybe like I don't know, I would imagine there

541
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: are some comps there. But like the most famous people

542
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: at ESPN, if they are living in Bristol, what that

543
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: would be like? Well, it wasn't bad at all, because

544
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, Scott Van Pelt and Steve Levey lived a

545
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: block away, right And now I live in Los Angeles

546
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: where nobody cares, which I love so and then I

547
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: go to Vegas and there's celebrities everywhere, so I really

548
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: prefer being in a place that nobody cares. I don't

549
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: I want to go and do this weekend, I go

550
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: to Vegas. I want to be with my kids. I

551
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 1: don't want to If somebody comes up, great if they

552
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: don't find But I can't imagine if I live somewhere

553
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: ten years Farvin Rogers and was the only person of note,

554
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: it would get annoying. It would have to affect you.

555
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: And I think the timing is interesting that both Farvin

556
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: Rodgers at about the same timeline got a little prickly

557
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: with the organization a little more difficult, started hinting it retirement.

558
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: It's just quite possible that it wears people out, it

559
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: wears you out. I don't. I think it would be

560
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: illogical for it not too that's right, logical, perfect word.

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00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: I think you would have to be a very unique

562
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: personality for that not to become, you know, tiresome to

563
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: a degree, because they're in because of the way the

564
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: NFL is set up during the season, aside from your

565
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: bye week, you just have that one day off, and

566
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: when you're in Green Base, it's not like you can

567
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: take a day trip somewhere, you know what I mean,

568
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: You can't if you're if you play for when San

569
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: Diego had a team, right and you really have you know,

570
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: thirty six hours off, you could theoretically be like, man,

571
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to Vegas. I'm going to I'm taking my

572
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: own plane. I'm going to Vegas. I'll be back. I

573
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: guess you can do that, But then half your time

574
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: off is in a plane like where you know what

575
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no like warm weather, cool place to

576
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: go to. Close five, let's bring in Joel Clatt, voice

577
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: of College Football Fox. You know, I want to really

578
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: zone in on UCLA's winner over LSU. And I remember

579
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: how disappointed ed Orgron was when he was overlooked at USC,

580
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: and I had said at the time, I talked to

581
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: a USC administrator and they had said, we just don't

582
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: know if he fits. For five years, I've always thought

583
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: of him as an elite position coach, a good coordinator,

584
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: but I don't view him as a top ten program

585
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: head coach long term, although I do think it shows

586
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: the talent of Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow made a lot

587
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: of people's jobs way easier at LSU. But when I

588
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: watched that game. We know LSU has probably more five

589
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: star talent than UCLA. UCLA has been maybe fifth, sixth

590
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: in Pac twelve recruiting so far for Chick Kelly. When

591
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: you watched that game, I mean, I was really taken back. Now,

592
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: UCLA I think had ten seniors on defense. It's a

593
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty three year old kids. But I was

594
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: really taken back by the line of scrimmage that I

595
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: thought UCLA consistently one. And it's not for lack of

596
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: talent at LSU that the big bodies everywhere. That's what

597
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: jumped out to me is at the schematics of Chip,

598
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: is at the age the returning starters. What did you

599
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: make of the line of scrimmage in that game where

600
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: UCLA controlled it? Biggest difference for UCLA and years, you know,

601
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: and Chip has been doing this now this you know,

602
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: we talk about some guys that are like, oh, they

603
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: got to come in and build a program where we

604
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: all want it to happen quicker than it really can,

605
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: in particular when you're taking over program like UCLA at

606
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: the point in which she took it over, and if

607
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: quickly he had to tear a lot of things down

608
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: in order to rebuild them at UCLA. And I think

609
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. You're close enough to Chip.

610
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: You and I have had those long conversations with Chip,

611
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: and I don't want to get into the details, but

612
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: there were times early in his tenure there where they

613
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: had fifty six fifty seven scholarship players and that was

614
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: his choice. It wasn't sanctions, it was it was him

615
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: kind of tearing down the program in order to rebuild

616
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: it in the fashion in which he needed to and

617
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: wanted to. Okay, And a lot of that was cultural

618
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: in terms of the culture he wanted to implement and build.

619
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: A lot of it was the chemistry style of things,

620
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: but then a lot of it also was like this

621
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: style of player that he wanted in the style of

622
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: team that he wanted. And now we're starting to see

623
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: the fruition of that. It just goes to show you, like,

624
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: if you're really going to do that and tear something down,

625
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: you need two things in abundance patients and from the administration,

626
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: and then time in order to do that. And he's

627
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: had it. Okay, So now we get to this point

628
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: he's built this team back to it and now they

629
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 1: do have one hundred sixteen guys out there in practice,

630
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: not just seventy eight. They do have their full complement

631
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: of scholarship players out there, so they're deeper. And then

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00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: this is what I think is interesting, is that I

633
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: was texting with some people, not only fans. I've got

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00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: a neighbor who's a big UCLA fan, and also people

635
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: that are around the program more closely than just a fan,

636
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: and they were at the Rose Bowl, and I started

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Speaker 1: getting texts yesterday on the plane coming home, and it

638
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Speaker 1: was all the LSU people and calling, you know what.

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Speaker 1: They were all saying, Oh, we didn't realize UCLA was

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Speaker 1: this big. They got out there, I think they were

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Speaker 1: surprised with what they saw. They thought they were coming

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Speaker 1: out there to see kind of this middling pack twelve

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Speaker 1: program in a conference that doesn't have a lot of

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Speaker 1: great line play, and that they were going to come

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Speaker 1: out there and bully UCLA. They rolled out there for

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Speaker 1: warmups and looked over there and they were like, oh wow,

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Speaker 1: like this is not what we expect. I got that

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Speaker 1: text from a few different people. One very close within

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Speaker 1: the program. They thought, and he texted me he was like,

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Speaker 1: this is this is a little scary they're real over there,

651
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Speaker 1: and it's it's what you're talking about. It's not just

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Speaker 1: the athletes. It was the line player. It's a side

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Speaker 1: of the line. It was the physicality of the line.

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Speaker 1: And you're right they you know, it really wasn't that close.

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Speaker 1: And I thought that, in fairness to him, if Dorian

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Speaker 1: Thompson Robinson is a little more efficient, I think you

657
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Speaker 1: probably could have put up forty five or fifty points.

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Speaker 1: I feel the same way. Yeah, And because it wasn't

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Speaker 1: that close, right, like Ellis, UCLA was going to win

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Speaker 1: that game eight out of ten times. They were the

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00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: better team. They were more physical, they were more dominant.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is a little in the weeds, but

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Speaker 1: I follow recruiting. UCLA's best to recruits this past year

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Speaker 1: were defensive lineman. Then they stole Jay Toya from usc

665
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: who was their best interior recruit defensive lineman. So UCLA

666
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: got three elite recruits all in the same space that

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00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: Pac twelve teams struggle with interior defensive line. So again

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Speaker 1: that's that's a little in the weeds. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll throw this at you too, But yeah, but it's

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Speaker 1: also not though, right, Like why is Utah won the

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Speaker 1: Pac twelve South two of the last three years. They

672
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 1: played great defensively, you know, on the defensive front. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they're big and they're physical up there, and it's a

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Speaker 1: big reason why I think they're going to be a

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Speaker 1: successful again this year. You know, it's interesting talking about

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Speaker 1: the transfer portal. Chip's gotten the bag a couple of

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00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: times from NFL teams, so he's got plenty of money.

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Speaker 1: You know. You can see him on his bike in

679
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: Manhattan Beach. He's living the good life, right, And I

680
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: think and this is not a criticism of him some coaches.

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00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if he feels a kinship to high

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00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: school recruiting. I don't think he loves it. But the

683
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: transfer portals different. You get more mature players. It's more

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Speaker 1: of administrative than recruiting. Can we get them in right,

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Speaker 1: And a lot of these players that leave Southern California

686
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Speaker 1: because SC and UCLA are down, they go to the South,

687
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Speaker 1: they go to another program, the Big ten, and they're like, oh,

688
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: like it here, and they circle back and reach out

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Speaker 1: back to SC and Ucla. He got six six transfer

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Speaker 1: portal players and I think five started. And I just

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Speaker 1: I saw UCLA basketball do this where they lost a

692
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: great player to Kentucky. The kids like, I'm not into this.

693
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: I miss my friends. Goes back the transfer portal. I

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Speaker 1: liken it to a much higher end junior college without

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Speaker 1: the whiffs, because you know, the guys can play, and

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Speaker 1: I do think I will be issues a lot of

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Speaker 1: time either, Joe. I looked at those UCLA transfers and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they've made the running backs. That's the

699
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: difference in that program. So I'm not I don't want

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Speaker 1: to get over my skis here, but I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: Chips a little contrarian as a personality. He is not

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Speaker 1: he is, and I kind of think he just he

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00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: needs patience, and I think it's going to work for him. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I don't think it's just ship you're talking about

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Speaker 1: the transfer portal. People are using this really well. And

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Speaker 1: one of the things that all the coaches that I

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Speaker 1: talked with, you know, getting ready and we did those

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Speaker 1: two games, and Ohio State doesn't really have to deal

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Speaker 1: with the transfer port because there you know, it's it's

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00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: more so their leftovers or where everyone else goes right

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00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: to grab to grab people. But all these other programs,

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Speaker 1: you know, Minnesota had had Nile's pickney. He was a

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Speaker 1: captain for Clemson. He comes in he's a defensive tackle

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Speaker 1: at Minnesota. Another Clemson kid, Jez Mullins, was a running

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Speaker 1: back for Wisconsin. In my game, he came out there,

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Speaker 1: run for it, ran for over one hundred yards. Arthur

717
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Speaker 1: Abba Katie the defensive end from Temple. He transfers to

718
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Speaker 1: Penn State. He was a forced yesterday and it it was

719
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Speaker 1: a big reason why they were able to win that game.

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Speaker 1: That's just an games I did. You know, say you're

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Speaker 1: talking more about like a Zach Charbonnet who comes into

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Speaker 1: UCLA and is kind of clearly giving them a huge

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Speaker 1: pop at the running back position. The word that keeps

724
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Speaker 1: coming up from coaches and I can really relate to this,

725
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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what in a moment is that

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Speaker 1: these players come in with purpose and it's and it's

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Speaker 1: a purpose and a sense of urgency that maybe isn't

728
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Speaker 1: there for a freshman because the freshman has just been

729
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Speaker 1: told for three years how great he is. And they

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Speaker 1: come in somewhat entitled and there's not as much of

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Speaker 1: a sense of urgency and a purpose there. Okay, they're

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Speaker 1: not up against it as far as graduation. They're not

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Speaker 1: up against it as far as like, hey, one year

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Speaker 1: until I'm draft eligible, So they don't know what they

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Speaker 1: don't know when they're young. Right, That doesn't mean they

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Speaker 1: can't be talented. But when you get a guy in

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Speaker 1: the transfer portal, he's usually got a tremendous amount of purpose.

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Speaker 1: He knows exactly where he wants to go. He puts

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Speaker 1: himself into the right fit in terms of system and

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Speaker 1: coaching staff, and he's going to come there and he

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00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: has a mission to accomplish. So to your point, I

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Speaker 1: think people are using it really well. Chip's going to

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Speaker 1: be able to use it very well. And I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, a guy like Charbonnet is a great example

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Speaker 1: of that, because it's just not quite working at Michigan,

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Speaker 1: decides to come home. You know, what is it twenty

747
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Speaker 1: miles from his high school. You know, he's playing in

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00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl, which is twenty fifteen miles from where

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Speaker 1: he played high school football. And he's more comfortable, and

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Speaker 1: he's playing like it, and he's more purposeful, and he's

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Speaker 1: playing like it. That wrapped up for the week. We're

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Speaker 1: heading into another big week here at the Volume. Make

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