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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Official Jets podcast. Eric Allen here at

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Speaker 1: One Jets Drive, joined by ESPN senior writer Mike Clay. Mike,

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Speaker 1: every year about this time, you produce an NFL projections chart.

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Speaker 1: With that being said, this year, why are you so

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Speaker 1: bullish on the New York Jets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I do a lot of a

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Speaker 2: lot of these appearances year round, and you know, some

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Speaker 2: of them more popular on than others. I think your

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Speaker 2: audience might enjoy my appearance today because I am very

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Speaker 2: high on the Jets this season. I'm leading the bandwagon.

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Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned the projections document that I do.

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Speaker 2: It's a large pdf. It's kind of just a combination

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Speaker 2: of all the work I do, which is just tracking

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Speaker 2: every single roster transaction, studying league trends in the offseason,

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Speaker 2: coaching changes, you know, stats from the past, you know,

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Speaker 2: and projecting them future, that kind of thing. I mean.

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Speaker 2: As part of that, I look at unit grades, or

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Speaker 2: I look at every position. I rank every team one

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Speaker 2: through thirty two. I think that's the best way to

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Speaker 2: get an objective feel. There's some subjectivity to it, but

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Speaker 2: an objective feel for which teams are probably underrated, overrated,

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Speaker 2: gonna make the playoffs, gonna stink next year, that kind

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Speaker 2: of thing. And after doing that exercise, the Jets came

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Speaker 2: out as of this moment number one in the unit grades.

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Speaker 2: This is a team from top to bottom that's in

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Speaker 2: really good shape. You know, the starting positions across the

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Speaker 2: leade are very good across the roster. Excuse me, so

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Speaker 2: I'm optimistic. I think that you know, this is a

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Speaker 2: team that's certainly going to compete.

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Speaker 1: Mike, do you have a sense going into this that

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Speaker 1: the Jets were going to be right up there with

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Speaker 1: the league's elites.

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Speaker 2: Not maybe not this high. But here's the thing. Last

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Speaker 2: year I thought maybe there was a little too much hype,

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Speaker 2: and the main reason for that was the offensive line,

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Speaker 2: which I had written about last year, the offensive tackle position,

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Speaker 2: primarily of course that as we'll get to. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: that that was an issue and the team knew it

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Speaker 2: because they addressed it this offseason. And the skill position

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Speaker 2: players offensively around Aaron Rodgers were not very good, and

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Speaker 2: that did get a little bit of chatter, But for

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Speaker 2: the most part, people were very optimistic. I had some

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Speaker 2: concern areas, so maybe I didn't think they would be

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Speaker 2: a top the list or top three, But as they

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Speaker 2: started to chip away during free agency and the draft,

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Speaker 2: it became apparent that this team was positioned to make

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Speaker 2: a run this year.

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Speaker 1: So not only do you project each unit, you take

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Speaker 1: a look at that and say, how many wins is

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Speaker 1: this team going to get? As far as your projections

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Speaker 1: are concerned, you have the Jets at eleven point six,

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Speaker 1: which taken one step further, you have them a top

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Speaker 1: the AFC.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure do. And a part of that is strength

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Speaker 2: of schedule as well. I think the easiest schedule in

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Speaker 2: THEFC East. You know, part of that is not having

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Speaker 2: to play themselves. I think they're the best team in

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Speaker 2: the AFCAST obvious, but you know, for being in a

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Speaker 2: relatively tough division with Buffalo, who you know, they're trending

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Speaker 2: down a little bit, but they still have Josh Allen,

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Speaker 2: They're going to be good. Miami maybe a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a step back, a lot of defensive turnover, a

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Speaker 2: couple of major injuries on that side. You know, it

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Speaker 2: is relatively tough divisions, but I have them with the

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Speaker 2: ninth easiest projected schedule this season, so that obviously affects

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Speaker 2: their wind total a little bit. But again obviously having

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Speaker 2: one of the best rosters in the league helps as well,

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Speaker 2: I help boost that win total. So yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: they're right up there with teams like Kansas.

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Speaker 1: City, something that jumped out to me. I mean, so

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Speaker 1: many elements to this that we're going to get into,

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Speaker 1: but you actually think the way your model projects it

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Speaker 1: that the Jets are going to be favored in an

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Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of their games this season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. You know. I think the road game

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Speaker 2: them to be an underdog. We'll see where that game

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Speaker 2: talked about Miami and Buffalo. Maybe not, but otherwise, again,

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Speaker 2: it's not an overly intimidating schedule to me. And if

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Speaker 2: they live up to the talent on the roster. You

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Speaker 2: know a lot of people say, ah, they're good on paper,

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Speaker 2: that doesn't really mean anything. I mean, how else are

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Speaker 2: we supposed to evalue eight teams other than what they

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Speaker 2: you know, the players on the roster, And as far

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Speaker 2: as I'm concerned, if you objectively compare this team to

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Speaker 2: away saying you know what, You're right, this team has

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Speaker 1: What about the Bills and the Miami Dolphins. Obviously, Miami's

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Speaker 1: made the playoffs the last two seasons. The Bills have

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Speaker 1: won a division the past four years, They've made the

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Speaker 1: postseason the last five years. Why do you think that, Hey,

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Speaker 1: the Jets are ready to elevate themselves over both of

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, you know, we'll start with the Bills, you know, quickly.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen them hit the occasional bump in

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Speaker 2: most part that's been injury based. You know, Sean mcdermot's

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Speaker 2: in a nice job leading that team. They have Josh Allen,

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Speaker 2: but they've they've they were on an upward trajectory, kind

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Speaker 2: where they were building up the team and then they've

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Speaker 2: kind of peaked in recent years. And sometimes when that happens,

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Speaker 2: you can't retain everybody and you start going down the

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Speaker 2: other side. And we saw a little bit of that.

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Speaker 2: I caught up with them a little bit in the offseason.

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Speaker 2: They've overhauled the defense, especially in the secondary there's gonna

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Speaker 2: going to have his work cutout for them. And then

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Speaker 2: same thing at the skill position players not the objectively speaking,

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Speaker 2: not the greatest groups. Jevon Diggs is gone, Gave Davis

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Speaker 2: a ton of snaps, Curtis Samuel. Those kind of guys

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Speaker 2: might think that's still Josh Allen. They'll be fine, but hey,

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Speaker 2: last year, look at the Chiefs. You know, their offense

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Speaker 2: that's definitely something that I've considered. I don't think the

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Speaker 2: in Miami. Again, a lot of that is defense, you know, again,

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Speaker 2: a lot of defensive turnover. Their two top edge rushers

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Speaker 2: and again you compare the three rosters, the Jets are right.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you argue they're the third best. But if you

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Speaker 2: do argue that it's very close, they're all they're all

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the Jets have had a very good defense

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Speaker 1: the last couple seasons. They think they're ready to take

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Speaker 1: another step. But what stood out to me as far

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Speaker 1: as when you're looking at it from a macro level

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I mean, again, let's assume health, and

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Speaker 2: let's assume you think GARYN. Rodgers is still Look, you

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Speaker 2: don't have to think he's a two time or back

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Speaker 2: they could still win if he plays average ball. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, we'll get into why as we talk more

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Speaker 2: good quarterback of top ten, maybe a top five quarterback.

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Speaker 2: You have him, you have Breesaw, Garrett Wilson, Mike Williams,

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Speaker 2: Tyler Conklin's an underrated tight end, and then you fix

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Speaker 2: So around Rogers, the skill guys are very good. It's

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Speaker 2: hard to find clear weaknesses. You know, defensively, they're still stacked.

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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, love the defense, top five to

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Speaker 2: question mark. You bringing a guy who you know didn't

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Speaker 2: You know you have you could get picky, but overall

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Speaker 2: it's still at.

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Speaker 1: The lead Mike bottom Line. All this is music to

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Speaker 1: a Jets fans ears. You just mentioned the offensive line

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Speaker 1: last year they started thirteen different combinations. Joe Douglas very

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Speaker 1: free agency. You mentioned John Simpson before he trades for

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Speaker 1: the draft olu fashion out of Penn State. You have

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Speaker 1: that offensive line right now, projected third in the National

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's terrific on paper, and you can look,

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Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot of question marks of will

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Speaker 2: they stay healthy. Obviously, Bart Tucker coming off the series injury,

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Speaker 2: last five years. But remember he played over eight hundred

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Speaker 2: So not to mention. You know, sometimes when you're evaluating

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Speaker 2: they have really good starters, but man, the depth is

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Speaker 2: really concerning. If something happens to Tyron Smith, they're in trouble.

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Speaker 2: But you just said that they spent an early first

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Speaker 2: round pick, our mid first round pick on another tackle,

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Speaker 2: so that at least raises the floor of what you're

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Speaker 2: going to get at a tackle position. Not to mention that.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, this actually reminds me with the

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Speaker 2: year before became backups and gave you quality depth options.

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Speaker 2: Same thing with the O line. They have seven guys

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Speaker 2: they might not be great starters, but in terms of

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Speaker 2: Now they have options. So really like this the situation

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Speaker 1: Them, is this offense going to run through Breese Hall

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Speaker 1: this year? You know, looking at your productions, you got

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Speaker 1: him at about three one hundred and three touches from scrimmage.

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Speaker 2: I believe, yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you were watching this,

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Speaker 2: listening to this, and you played fantasy football, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: want Breesehall on your team much like you did last season.

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Speaker 2: The guy was fantastic. You know, we know how good

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Speaker 2: he was at the college level. There's no surprise the

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Speaker 2: Jet spent a Day two pick on him to bring

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Speaker 2: has lived up to the hype. Last year. There was

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Speaker 2: concerns there obviously, you know I mentioned the skill position

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Speaker 2: concerns going into the season. One of them was how

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Speaker 2: much will they get out of Breese Hall one year

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Speaker 2: off an ACL It took like two weeks and the

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Speaker 2: And then he finished the season as you know, one

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Rogers at the top. He said the Jets

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Speaker 1: The Jets love this cornerback unit and you do as well.

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Speaker 1: As well take the edge group. Obviously, Bryce Hoff a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you hit the nail on the head and it's funny.

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Speaker 2: You know, if I had any question that the Jets

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Speaker 2: also didn't play a ton of snaps. Most of them

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Speaker 2: are situational players. So I don't think it's un you know,

433
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 2: can these guys hold down the fort and be serviceable? Yeah?

434
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 2: I think they can be okay, and they'll be covered

435
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 2: up by some of the other stars around them. But

436
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 2: is it a group they get really excited for. No,

437
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 2: you don't. It's just quinnin Williams and then it's a

438
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 2: lot of yeah, we need we need some of these

439
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,119
Speaker 2: guys to step up and be playing.

440
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Speaker 1: You loved off the ball linebackers the Jets have and CJ.

441
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 1: Moseley and Quincy Williams. Of course, I wanted to ask

442
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 1: you about safety two. You have them projected at twenty eighth.

443
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,679
Speaker 1: Would you say that's the biggest question mark you have

444
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: on this defense. Chuck Clark obviously came over from Baltimore,

445
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,479
Speaker 1: unfortunately went down last year, wasn't able to suit up

446
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: for the Jets. Tony Adams a former un drafted free agent.

447
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 1: He came on as his playing time increased there in

448
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. And then you're talking about Ashton Davis resigns,

449
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 1: and you got a couple of young guys in the mix.

450
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 1: JBC Bernard Converse, a guy you drafted last year and

451
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: then you drafted mister irrelevant this year in Jalen Key

452
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 1: as well.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. Chuck Clark's going to be

454
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 2: a question marks question mark. He's twenty nine years old,

455
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 2: didn't play last season with the ACL but he was

456
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 2: very good in Baltimore. Again, another one of them underrated players.

457
00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 2: The prior three seasons before he got injured, was ninth

458
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 2: in the NFL in tackles, so he could deliver the

459
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 2: goods at that position. Assuming he's healthy and back and

460
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 2: the same old guy. You're gonna have a solid safety.

461
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 2: And then Tony Adams again not a a guy that's

462
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Speaker 2: really moving the needle. Former undrafted free agent kind of

463
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 2: forced them to work last season, as you pointed out.

464
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Speaker 2: But I think he's fine. I don't think he's gonna

465
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 2: really crush you. So yes, I would say that's gonna

466
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 2: be your shakiest unit. But that's a good problem to

467
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 2: have to have a potentially solid unit for your worst

468
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 2: unit on your defense is again top to bottom, absolutely

469
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 2: stacked group. And by the way, their safeties might not

470
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 2: be too busy. If you have that there's great linebackers

471
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Speaker 2: making the tackles and then the three corner shutting down

472
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: the receivers. You know, they're just gonna be able to

473
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: chill out and not have to do too much. So

474
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 2: that's a nice, nice situation.

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Speaker 1: Can you speak to the job Joe Douglas did in

476
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Speaker 1: constructing this roster, especially this offseason?

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah, outstanding. I mean, you have a window here, you

478
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: have Aaron Rodgers. You need to win now. You have

479
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 2: to go out and address the the issues, you know,

480
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,959
Speaker 2: and that's really what they did. Not every team does that,

481
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, you'll see. I'll just use a random example.

482
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: Atlanta takes another quarterback in the top ten of the draft,

483
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: even though they had some very obvious roster issues that

484
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 2: they had to fill, and their windows open with Kirk

485
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: Cousins right now, you have the skill guys around him,

486
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 2: you've got offensive line. The offense is ready, but the

487
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 2: defense is not, and you have a chance to win

488
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 2: that division to become a contender. They really do that.

489
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: They took another quarterback. The Jets did that. They went

490
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: into the offseason they said, here's our problem area is

491
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 2: offensive skill guys around Aaron Rodgers. We didn't do a

492
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Speaker 2: good enough job their last offseason, and of course offensive line, massive,

493
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: massive problem. We knew that was a possibility going into

494
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 2: last season. They did not do a good job. They

495
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: fixed that this offseason, great, outstanding off season. Really love

496
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: what they did. Now your windows open. You have to

497
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 2: spend to win now, and they've done.

498
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Speaker 1: Mike, we're getting you before you published this on ESPN

499
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Speaker 1: as far as where you actually think the Jets are

500
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: gonna finish up. With that being said, we'll be able

501
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: to look back get this and have a smile. But

502
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: what kind of reaction do you think is going to

503
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: be out there when this is on the front page

504
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: of ESPN dot com.

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00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, yeah, I have an article coming out about

506
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: the Jets and and just how high I think their

507
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 2: ceiling is this year. I won't say any more than

508
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 2: that about how, you know, how this is going to

509
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 2: be labeled, but it's We're gonna have some fun with it.

510
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: And even though it's a little bold, it is backed up.

511
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: You know. I don't just say things because I'm just

512
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 2: trying to be bold and get clicks or whatever people say.

513
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: I say things because I think they're realistic. You know.

514
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 2: The year after the Browns went one zero games, I

515
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 2: wrote that I thought they were a five hundred team

516
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: and they went I believe, seven and nine that next year.

517
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 2: You know, I do this because I objectively and analyze

518
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: these teams and feel like this is where they are

519
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: from year one to year two, and I think the

520
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: Jets are one of the best teams in the league.

521
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: There's a long piece I just wrote on my expectations

522
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 2: for them and why I think they're a real contender

523
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: in the AFC and for the for the Lombardy. So

524
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: that'll be up at ESPN dot com and there's gonna

525
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: be I think people are gonna say, yeah, we hear

526
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: this every year, you know, Jets hype, but you know,

527
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: not for me. I don't hear it. You hear it now,

528
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: you don't hear from me in the past. But it's

529
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 2: gonna it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of what you do is based on

531
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Speaker 1: data in numbers. How much do you weigh into the

532
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: equation that, hey, mentally, this team, this organization has to

533
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Speaker 1: get over or hurdle because they haven't been in the

534
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: postseason since twenty ten.

535
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't put a lot of thought into that,

536
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: just because things change so quickly in the NFL. You know,

537
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't you know again, you think about all the

538
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 2: teams that have been we'll say, quote unquote laughing socks

539
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: for an extended period in the NFL, including the Browns,

540
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: and I just mentioned, and it could the switch could

541
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: flip quickly. The Chiefs were for a while before, you know,

542
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 2: Alex Smith and Reid and Mahomes. The Patriots were for

543
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 2: so long and then they were a powerhouse and now

544
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: they're back on the other side of things now. And

545
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 2: we've seen it with the Jets too. I know they

546
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 2: haven't you know, been to the Super Bowl since since

547
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 2: Joe Namath, but you know they've peaked at times during

548
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: you know, the Rex Ryan era, they were close, you know.

549
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: So it happens things changed so quickly in the NFL.

550
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 2: And by the way, I think within the Jets organization,

551
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 2: they're not going to be surprised if they're winning games.

552
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of optimism within that locker room,

553
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 2: within that coaching staff, that front office. They have to

554
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: know that they built a team that can compete this year.

555
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: And if you didn't, if you don't feel that way,

556
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: you messed up. I mean, what are you doing? You

557
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: have Aaron Rodgers here for a couple of years. If

558
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 2: you don't build a team to win the Super Bowl, now,

559
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: why did you even go get Aaron Rodgers? That makes

560
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: no sense. So I'm not worried about the mental aspect

561
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: of it. I think they're gonna have all the confidence

562
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: in the world for you know, they're ready to go.

563
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Speaker 1: Well said, health aside, what's the biggest question on the

564
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Speaker 1: Jets enter in twenty twenty four.

565
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Speaker 2: I think that's an easy, easy answer. It's Aaron Rodgers,

566
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Speaker 2: who is he Who is he a guy that's forty

567
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: coming off and Achilles that just doesn't have it anymore,

568
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: especially after that rough final year with the Packers, or

569
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: is he a guy that could play near that level

570
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: he did when he went back to back MVPs. By

571
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: the way, before he won those two MVPs, people were like,

572
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: he's done, you know, he lost it. His efficiency is

573
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 2: way down. He's had two bad years now, he's been

574
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: like average at best. Everyone thought it was over and

575
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: then he bounced back and one not just good play

576
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: MVP caliber played two years in a row. So if

577
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: you can do that one more time, maybe one season

578
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: here for the Jets, that's going to go a long

579
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: way for it. But that is no doubt the question

580
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: who is Aaron Rodgers? Is he over? You know, is

581
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: he over the hill now? Or is he still a

582
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: guy that could play top ten football?

583
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Speaker 1: So this roster well constructed a lot of strengths. What

584
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: do you like best about this roster?

585
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: Again? I hate to take the lay up here, but

586
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 2: the defense I need, of course. I mean just being

587
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: with quinnin Williams upfront, the good group and high pedigree

588
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 2: edge rushers that one of the best duo as a

589
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 2: linebacker in the league, the best cornerback trio in the NFL.

590
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 2: I like the underrated Chuck Clark edition. Their defense is

591
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: going to keep them competing no matter what. They won

592
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: seven games last year. You're telling me they can't get

593
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: to ten or eleven with a good offense. Of course

594
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: they can, so no doubt. Defense is going to be

595
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: huge for them. But there's a lot to like. I

596
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 2: love Garrett Wilson. I loved them last year. I love

597
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: Breese Hall, same thing. Love what they did with the

598
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: offensive line. It's love all around. I'm in on the

599
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: Jets this year. I'm leaving the bandwagon.

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Speaker 1: I'm driving if Rogers comes back and he's playing an

601
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: MVP form, what can this team accomplish?

602
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: They could win the Super Bowl. They can win the

603
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. And by the way, I wrote about this

604
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: in my column, they almost beat the Chiefs last year.

605
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: They almost beat the Chiefs last year they actually needed

606
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, la Jarious Sneed shadowed Garrett Wilson in that

607
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: game and held him in check pretty well. Wilson was

608
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: heavily targeted, didn't do much that game. It was a

609
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: three point game that the Chiefs won. In the late

610
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: in that one. I think it was an early fourth

611
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: quarter field goal. Larry's jet Ljarius needs not on the

612
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: Chiefs anymore. You know, he departed for Tennessee in the offseason.

613
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: So you know, if it was that close last year,

614
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 2: you're telling me they can't beat them this year. You know,

615
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: I think they can. I think they could stack up

616
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: for sure.

617
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: You think as far as the ASC is concerned, that

618
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: it's a familiar list of characters who the Jets will

619
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: be competing with, led by Kansas City. And what do

620
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: you make of the rest of the landscape and including Cincinnati.

621
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure Rifley Saul has high hopes with Joe Burrell

622
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: coming back. And what do you make of young teams

623
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: like Houston on the Rods?

624
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. Houston's an interesting one on the rise,

625
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: some question marks down. Don't think they're quite as complete

626
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: as the Jets are. We'll see really what that offense

627
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: can do, because with the firepower they have, the sky

628
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: is a limit. I already talked about the division. I

629
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: think the Jets have e merged as the best team there.

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00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: THEFC North will be interesting. You mentioned the Bengals. I

631
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: think quarterback if you just forget about quarterback. The Browns

632
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,239
Speaker 2: might have the best roster in the NFL. I mean,

633
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: they're just loaded all over the place. And of course Baltimore,

634
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: you know who's gonna open the season. We just learned

635
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: at Kansas City they're going to be a contender as well.

636
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, the ANC is going to be tough. But

637
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 2: I think that they have a roster that can compete

638
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: with all of those teams, and that's really what you need.

639
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: As long as you can hang with them. You definitely

640
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: need a couple of things to go your way. You

641
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: got to stay healthy and you can knock them off,

642
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: and then you know, it comes down to beating a

643
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: team like San Francisco. If you make it to the

644
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, can you beat a team like the forty

645
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: nine ers? The road is tough, for sure. But are

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Speaker 2: the Jets in the conversation now as a team that

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Speaker 2: has a shot. You know, a lot of teams don't

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Speaker 2: have a shot. They have a real shot to win

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl? And I think the answer is absolutely yes, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Do you think in January or February. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you're a guy smokes cigars or drinks, but do

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Speaker 1: you think you're gonna have a cigar or maybe a

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Speaker 1: cold beverage and looking back and saying I told you

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Speaker 1: so about the Jets, because listen, I think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people in the league who do think the

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Speaker 1: Jets have a very good roster and they could be good.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna have the same kind

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Speaker 1: of predictions that Mike Clay did in two thousand twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I might have to come down to the praise

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Speaker 2: if they win it. Yeah, I don't know. If you

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Speaker 2: recall many many years ago, there was a front page

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Speaker 2: article on Sports Illustrated about that the Astros will win

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Speaker 2: the World Series like five years from now, and they did.

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Speaker 2: I think it was Ben Reader, and then he wrote

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Speaker 2: a book about that. So maybe that's what I'll have

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Speaker 2: to do, off to come down to the prede and

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Speaker 2: do some interviews, write a book about, you know, the

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Speaker 2: year I said, you know the year I told you

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Speaker 2: so about the New York Jets. So we'll see what happened.

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Speaker 1: We might hold you to that at Mike Clay NFL

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Speaker 1: check them out on ESPN. A lot of research went

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Speaker 1: into this twenty twenty four NFL projections, not just for

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Speaker 1: the Jets, But for every team, let's get you out

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Speaker 1: of here with this one. Any surprise teams you articulated,

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Speaker 1: so well, what you think what's going to happen with

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Speaker 1: the Jets this year? But any surprises as far as

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Speaker 1: your forecast here at coming up this season, whether maybe

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Speaker 1: a player or a team.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, that's a good question. You know we mentioned

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Speaker 2: we already mentioned the Texans, So I won't go there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that what they did with that

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Speaker 2: offense is super fascinating. How about this one, I got

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Speaker 2: I going for you? Going on the negative side, So

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Speaker 2: after Jets, is maybe the best team in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I have the Giants Crosstown Giants ranked dead last in

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Speaker 2: the NFL, which again that also raised a lot of eyebrows.

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Speaker 2: But again, look at that roster. They have a lot

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Speaker 2: of problems across that roster. It's gonna take a while

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Speaker 2: to build that team back up. And it comes down

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Speaker 2: to what you're gonna get out of Daniel Jones. Is

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Speaker 2: he gonna make a is he gonna take a step

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Speaker 2: forward this year? Are they going to be drafting a

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Speaker 2: quarterback early next year? But big concerns with the other

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Speaker 2: the other new York, New York, New.

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Speaker 1: York, coming full circle. Enjoyed it. Thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us today.

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Speaker 2: You got it, guys, Take care,