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Speaker 1: Jack Good first day water Pump Gala, Dominique Wilkins. I

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Speaker 1: told you, I even said during the interview. You know me,

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Speaker 1: I don't really fumble my words too often, but what

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Speaker 1: I think what he meant to the game maybe the most.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say disrespect, that's the wrong word. Underrated, What

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Speaker 1: is the word I'm looking for? Underappreciated?

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Speaker 2: Get anywhere? Was has Dominique fires outside goes after a.

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Speaker 1: Ten years of averaging twenty five plus a game, was

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Speaker 1: in a nasty Eastern Conference, had to face Isaiah, had

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Speaker 1: to face MJ, had to face Patrick Ewan, had to

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Speaker 1: face Reggie Miller Bird. But I think he's someone that

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Speaker 1: people don't understand how talent he was.

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Speaker 2: I think everyone thinks he was.

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Speaker 1: A dunker, but if you look at the way he

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Speaker 1: scored the basketball.

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Speaker 2: Gave the most work.

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Speaker 1: I think they said we found out what was it

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Speaker 1: that Yester? We found him and MJ were the only

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Speaker 1: two players that average against each other.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And they had sixty battles and forty battles and fifty battles.

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Speaker 2: And Dominique won a lot of those games.

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Speaker 1: And then also you know his upbringing you know the

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Speaker 1: KKK burning crosses in his front Paris yep, born overseas,

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Speaker 1: playing with his brother, the legendary dunk contests. Uh Man,

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Speaker 1: that was a really that was one of my favorite.

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Speaker 1: I mean we had three read episodes, but that was

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Speaker 1: probably my favorite episode of the day because.

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Speaker 2: They were young, were just such a great story teller.

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Speaker 1: If you think about the first you guys will see,

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Speaker 1: but the first ten minutes, man, he's talking about his

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Speaker 1: bowels of Jordan, he's talking about his battles with birds,

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Speaker 1: then he's talking about his battles with Mattic Johnson.

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Speaker 2: And to me as a fan growing up in that time,

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Speaker 2: and it didn't get no better, right, So make.

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Speaker 1: Sure you guys check out this Dominique Wilkins episode, Welcome

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Speaker 1: Back All the Smoke, La Jack. We started off with

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Speaker 1: two good ones and it continues to get better.

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Speaker 2: It's a legendary day man, super legendary man.

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Speaker 1: Uh someone who we grew up watching very few times.

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Speaker 1: That might lost for words, but I'm really excited because

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Speaker 1: I've always been just such a huge fan of who

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Speaker 1: you are and always thought that you never got the

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Speaker 1: respect that you deserve. Talking about that, we don't get

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Speaker 1: down to that too. But man, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: You thank always good to see you got Jacksonville, somebody

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Speaker 2: who gave me some game early in my career.

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Speaker 3: When I went to Atlanta after the championship, I was

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Speaker 3: down and out, and you said a lot of things

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Speaker 3: to me that you were were doing that time. They

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Speaker 3: gave me confidence and and and and didn't kill my

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Speaker 3: confience when San Antonio don't wanted to pay me. So

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Speaker 3: I never told you thank you for what you what

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Speaker 3: you meant to me. You really helped me my coming

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Speaker 3: out of that championship. You had to get my confidence

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Speaker 3: back up, So I thank you.

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Speaker 2: Oh, no problem, man, it was a pleasure of mine. Man,

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Speaker 2: you know we go back, Yes, sir, I got that

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Speaker 2: little history. Yes, sir, I want to start before you start. Man,

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Speaker 2: how come both of y'all sitting and hiding me? Now

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Speaker 2: I know both of y'all ain't just that much tall

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Speaker 2: in me so low. I mean, I'm just saying we

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Speaker 2: we can we can finish a conversation.

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Speaker 1: You and I actually started coming off the elevator and

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Speaker 1: we were talking obviously about the Olympic team winning gold,

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Speaker 1: and we you know, we were talking about our thoughts and

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Speaker 1: how the team was put together and how Tatum didn't play.

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Speaker 1: But what was your take on on this year's Olympics

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Speaker 1: and you know, the team winning goal.

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Speaker 2: I mean, even though you know, wins and wins win,

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Speaker 2: but I thought the mix wasn't the best mix because,

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Speaker 2: like you brought up, Tatum didn't even play in one

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Speaker 2: of the game. Yeah, they won two games. He didn't play,

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Speaker 2: So it was kind of that was kind of strange

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Speaker 2: but I know he wasn't happy. Ye, any White in

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Tatum Blank, you know, very white didn't

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Speaker 2: Tatum did. But so just make it make sense. We

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Speaker 2: got common sense first team. Yeah, that didn't make much

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Speaker 2: I think everybody have a deserver right to play right.

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Speaker 2: You know, he didn't very much. So I was trying.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are trying to figure

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you know basketball, I mean, the only

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Speaker 1: but Jason Tatum has definitely paid his dues. And and

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Speaker 1: I was disappointed overall because you know, I've been a

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Speaker 2: Got on the US team. You know, everybody that's on

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Speaker 2: It was just us coming together and everybody having the

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Speaker 2: chance to say, hey, I was a part of the victory.

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Speaker 2: I contribute. You know, even though you want what does

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Speaker 2: what is Tatum really saying to himself?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think it's like whether the part of

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Speaker 1: U next year Jayden Brown got you know, he didn't

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Speaker 2: And so you know, and thedn a lot of people say, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, why is it an issue? Well, you know,

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Speaker 2: winning is everything. We all know that. But at the

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Speaker 2: same time, it's like, you know, it worked hard to

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Speaker 2: my right to play, but for whatever reason, that didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: I know Joe Missoula party sitting at home. Yes, I'm

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Speaker 2: glad y'all doing them like this. They're finna come back

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Speaker 2: and destroyed. That's the other part. That's the other party. Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know I can't wait for the seasons. Yes, both

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Speaker 2: that works on your psyche.

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Speaker 3: We know Jason Tatum and I know it's Pops, and

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Speaker 3: I know Jason Tatum is sitting at home. I can't

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Speaker 3: all y'all. And you know number of times where I

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Speaker 2: You know you dealt with it more than anybody. Let's

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Speaker 2: just our mentality, you know, you know, because a lot

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Speaker 2: of times, man, what you do, your actions speaks louder words.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to say anything. And and I've seen it,

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Speaker 2: and so I know how how you feel. But you know,

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Speaker 3: If you go down and dunkele bar and had a

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Speaker 2: That's what you used to do. The thing that I

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Speaker 2: I can't really say what my favorite play was, but

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Speaker 2: I can tell you what my favorite situation was. Is

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Speaker 2: when big men try to block my shot. Man, I

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Speaker 2: If you throw it down the big guy real hard

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Speaker 2: And then you can lay it up, you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: But then you have them guys who like the block

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Speaker 2: shots don't never they paint freaks, Oh man, love it.

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Speaker 2: But those are the best situations for me when I

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Speaker 3: Before you start this and the memory of our great

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Speaker 3: friend Pat McAfee passed me, of course, thank you.

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Speaker 1: And before we really get through it, I have a question.

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Speaker 1: Was your curl wet or dry?

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Speaker 2: You know what? The same thing? It looked. It looked wet,

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Speaker 2: but it was dry.

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Speaker 1: You have the motherfucking Jerry curl dripped like my pops had.

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Speaker 2: Look wet, but it was dry. Look wet, but it

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Speaker 2: was dry. That I didn't put up the wet look

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Speaker 2: but the dry but it was drying. Was getting Nexus,

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Speaker 2: a product called Nexus. This is wet. Okay. We was

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Speaker 2: Min was just some moist. It wasn't wet. You know,

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Speaker 2: that's a difference. You know, it wasn't dripping, It wasn't dripping.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't dripping. It wasn't dripping.

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Speaker 1: But that but that was your your your your high

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Speaker 2: That was the ship that with that was that was

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Speaker 2: That was it. That was It wasn't It wasn't. Man.

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Speaker 2: You ain't see like white spots on none of that

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Speaker 1: Still got something a lot like my dad had that crow.

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Speaker 1: He's been balled for the last twenty years. All the chemicals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know what you know, you know that

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Speaker 2: You know, you know the funny thing because we went

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Speaker 2: think they invented it. Carry Carrious a bottom walkers from Carried. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was a couple of stores around the country that,

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Speaker 2: You know, everybody went to the same thing. What's that

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Speaker 2: They had all the styles and the shoe guy, what's

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Speaker 2: the shoe place in Atlanta?

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Speaker 1: Freeman Freemans, I mean Freemans, not Freemans.

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Speaker 2: I won't let go of them old shoes though, you

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Speaker 2: still have the old shoes. Yeah, I go from I

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Speaker 2: haven't been in a while, but I go from Peck.

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Speaker 2: That's where I got my shoes from. Yeah. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: Only the eighth player to average twenty five points ten

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Speaker 1: consecutive seasons, nine time All Stars, seven time All NBA

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Speaker 1: retire when you retired, the seventh leen score at the

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Speaker 1: time twenty over twenty six thousand points. But again that's

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Speaker 1: something we touched on, the credit and the respect because

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Speaker 1: you were going head to head with MJ a lot

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Speaker 1: of times but got the better of him a lot

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Speaker 1: of times. Yeah, he was a bad man, he was good.

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Speaker 2: You know what. I found this out early, I would

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Speaker 2: say about a couple of years ago, and didn't realize

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Speaker 2: just run up down and I'm talking about going at Yeah,

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00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 2: we were hooping, but that's what made the game fun, man,

431
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 2: you know. So hey, I was really you know, privileged

432
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 2: to play against guys like that.

433
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 3: You're on record saying that the eighties was the East.

434
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 3: Eighties Eastern Conference was the best conference ever. Eighties Eastern

435
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 3: Conference against the two thousand Western Conference. That's gonna look

436
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 3: the eighties Eastern Conference against the two thousand Western Conference.

437
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 3: A tough boy, Chris Webber.

438
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: There have some big boys, k Dirk the Whiskey, some

439
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 2: big Kobe they had that that would be a great

440
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 2: match up. That would be a great match up. Yeah,

441
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 2: I think y'all have more guards they had. We had

442
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: a lot of guards, but we have we have some

443
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 2: forwards though, Yeah, we had some forwards. I ain't have

444
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 2: Tim Duncan, Kevin garn that Chris Webber Wilder is none

445
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: of that. We ain't care. We don't care about none

446
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: of that I know about. But anyway, anyway, you know

447
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 2: you're talking about doctor J and myself, you know, kings Man.

448
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. Nobody ever talking about this guy.

449
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: Nobody ever talked I Look, I never feared anybody I've

450
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 2: ever played. Again, that's the only man that ever schedule

451
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 2: hell out of me. I can't because you know why,

452
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: because he's getting forty eight ship you can do about it.

453
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: Ain't nothing you can do about it. I used to

454
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: He was the only guy I couldn't sleep the night

455
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: before I had to play against because he's getting forty

456
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: He could score anywhere and anyway. And so coach you said,

457
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: when your guarding him, but meet him a half court.

458
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: I'm not meeting him at half court. But I found

459
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: very quickly what he meant. Because you didn't meet him

460
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 2: a half court. You were like that, he was gone.

461
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: I remember when I played against him. It was one

462
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: game and like I said, I just couldn't sleep. So

463
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: I just I said, I said, I know he gonna

464
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 2: get forty. I said, so I'm gonna get forty. And

465
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 2: we just called a watch because I ain't killed myself

466
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: trying to chase this guy because you can't. You can't

467
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 2: stop him. So when we went in the Hall of Fame,

468
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 2: when he went to hall, he asked me, whatuld do

469
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 2: something like me. You never spoke to me. We had

470
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 2: no type of friendship. But I was privy. I was

471
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: honored because that's b K man. I said, before we

472
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: go up the steps, man, and be honest. I said, Man,

473
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: I ain't never fear anybody. I said, you don't even

474
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: guy have a scared ship out of me. And he's laughing.

475
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: I said, man, why are you laughing? He said, because

476
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 2: you scared ship it out of me too.

477
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah.

478
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: I'm like yeah, yeah, that was good. Yeah yeah. And

479
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, you know, my chests got big.

480
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: But it just shows you that none of those guys

481
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: let you get that close to him when we was competitors, man,

482
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 2: And that's what made the game more fun, and it

483
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: made you compete even harder because you never knew what

484
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 2: was going on this here. You knew he was going

485
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 2: to come at you, and you had to guard that

486
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 2: guy too. You know, I'm not gonna guard the power

487
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: forward because they had a license kick your ass. I'm

488
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 2: I'm not playing hints position. So you know, we had

489
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 2: enough problem at that small forward position, and we had

490
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: a lot of me and another guy you talked about,

491
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: Marco Guire, big draws man, big draw he was on

492
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: the table man. He was a load to deal with.

493
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: You know, to me, he's a Hall of Famer to me.

494
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 2: Take us back.

495
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 3: You're sitting in the room table five guys from the

496
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 3: eight is your era, talk about the evolution of the game.

497
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: How would they go? You know what we would give.

498
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: We give all errors their respect because we had to

499
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 2: learn from somebody, right, So we learned from the guys

500
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: before us, and so we always appreciate basketball and every

501
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: we talked about it. But the one thing we will

502
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: say is that it's their time. We've had our time.

503
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 2: But I hate when they tried to ship on us

504
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: choose their point. They don't have to do that, you know,

505
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: because you know greatest great don't care what are you,

506
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: but you know, don't use path area to elevate yourself

507
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 2: because we never did that to guys like look, I'm

508
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: never gonna say better than Chamberlain or Russell or I

509
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 2: was just I was just with Oscar, and like, you know,

510
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: we appreciated you guys because we learned from y'all, you know,

511
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 2: and so because we like anytime I get the chance

512
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: to talk to guys before me, man, it's I'm like

513
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 2: a kid in the candy store. It's a pleasure for me.

514
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: And I've never thought that I was bigger than the game,

515
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: because nobody's bigger than the game, because it's always one

516
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: coming behind you, you know, so no one person is

517
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: going to be bigger. You can be. You can be

518
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: an iconic figure of the game, in which we have

519
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 2: a lot of guys who fits that bill. But you know,

520
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 2: the game going to keep evolving with or without you.

521
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: Do you feel that your error gets enough credit for

522
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 2: what's the players and how they make it?

523
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 3: Monday today was one million dollar Saturday when you nineteen

524
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: ninety nine is twelve million dollars.

525
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: And hey, look God bless them. Get all you can get,

526
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: you know, you know, because you have kids to come out.

527
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: I have a son come there. I want him to

528
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: experience that. But if I tell you what I made

529
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: as a third overall pick, you go, you laugh, you know,

530
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: But that's just the way it was. You made money.

531
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 2: I made three hundred and twenty five. Topic, that's crazy, right,

532
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: you know. But Patrick Ewing came and I think a

533
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: year or two later, I think it was two years later,

534
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: and they got that thirty million dollar contract, which was

535
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: unheard of. And I told the team, I said, y'all

536
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: call me when you're serious. I ain't coming back to

537
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty five. Y'all call me. So they said, look,

538
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: we got a new deal for you. I said, cool, okay,

539
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: you know what's what's happening. They said, we gave John

540
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: Contact thirteen million. We're gonna keep you fourteen. I'm like,

541
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: I'm asking thirty heavision four.

542
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: You're crazy.

543
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not good. I said, I take it.

544
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: They take it. They take them deals off the table

545
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: back then, you know, yes. But you know what, though,

546
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 2: I love that part of the evolution of the game,

547
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: how guys get what they deserve, and you know, quite frankly,

548
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: it's an even playing not quite an even playing field,

549
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: but you get a chance to you know, prosper from

550
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: you know, the league and owners and what they are

551
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: able to pay. So yeah, I'm for the guy. Get

552
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: all whatever you want to get what you can get.

553
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: I want to ask you this house question. How do

554
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: you feel about you? Boy? Murray? Love? I love to

555
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: do Johntey Murray. You know, he was good for us,

556
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: you know, but you know, sometimes things that don't work,

557
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: you know. And I thought we had really the most

558
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: dynamic backcourt in the league, but sometimes they don't work

559
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: that way, you know. And so you know, Trey is

560
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: a guy, the big personality on our team, and he's

561
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: a guy who's that's your leader, and that's your leader,

562
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: and that's the guy that is gonna hopefully get you

563
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: to that next level. Not having a great show on

564
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: in summer league. A lot of people know how your

565
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: draft pick. He's young, man, I mean, this kid nineteen. Yeah,

566
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: and he's skilled, Yeah, he's skilled. But you know you

567
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: got to be able to give him time. You know,

568
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: give him time. He's gonna he's gonna be just fine.

569
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: Believe me. Yeah, he's gonna be just fine.

570
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: I have a question. Obviously, you coming in the league,

571
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: being the third pick, playing and then being in the

572
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: office talking about the game. I feel like everything now

573
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: they're always gonna base things on potential, but I feel

574
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: like now, more than ever, the draft is hopefully they

575
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: will do this instead of guys really coming in and

576
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: making an impact.

577
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: It's a gamble. It's a big gamble because as players,

578
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: we know if a guy can play it that right.

579
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: Because no matter what type of personality you bring to

580
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: help grow your team, it's hard for them to know

581
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: more than what we know because we've done this our

582
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: whole live and so I can tell you right up

583
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: front after watching a guy a couple of games, if

584
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: he's ready to help you or he's not the right mote.

585
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: And we've seen that time and time again. But I

586
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: think you know, the teams that win early are the

587
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: teams that get guys that contribute now instead of later.

588
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 3: A lot of people don't know this. Everybody think your

589
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: old country bumpkin, But you was born in Paris. Yeah,

590
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: your mother was a superwoman. One of the eight kids.

591
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: How was that? It was great? Man? My sister and

592
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: I know we were the first two, and so both

593
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: of us was born and so born France and I

594
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: lived in France five years before we moved to the

595
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: United States. My sister actually spoke fluent French. You I

596
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: spoke it too, but you know what, if you don't

597
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: speak it, you lose it. I even took five years

598
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: of French too. But if I'm around that, I understand it.

599
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: It was really great from two parts, one to see

600
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: the French team, you know, get to the gold medal

601
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: round and the other part, you know, do you ask

602
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: you know, you're always pulling for us to to you know,

603
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: pull it out. So it was it was it was

604
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: a love love type of event from me watching that.

605
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: So but yeah, I go back to Paris quite a bit.

606
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: Would you would have played they would actually play with

607
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: France then that she was born there, back.

608
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: When we were doing a lot of pride, a lot

609
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: of pride.

610
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: If I wouldn't be I'd have really thought, I really

611
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: thought about it being a part of Dream Team, and

612
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: I mean that was that was great. That was great, man.

613
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: So you would never you never could duplicate that or

614
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: take anything over that.

615
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that time though, because that was

616
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: kind of the shift in the game. You guys took

617
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: the world by storm and the world took notes.

618
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: Well, you know what we better. We wanted to send

619
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: a message to the rest of the world that y'all

620
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: had no shot, no shot, no shot, no shot, and

621
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: no one came within twenty five or thirty of us.

622
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: You know, we blow with blue blue with everybody out.

623
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: And you know we had Sean Kemp and Derrick Coleman.

624
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: There was two rebels on our team and they were man.

625
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: They they was relentless, you know. I mean, guys would

626
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: try to shake our head, shake your hand. They're like, man,

627
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: we beat you like that and you want to shake

628
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: my hand. I'm like, man, come on, I said, come on, guys.

629
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: But you know, we had guys with personality. But we

630
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: had some balls on that team. You had shot yeah

631
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: Lownes on morning. You had you know, Isaiah Thomas who

632
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: really didn't play because it was hurt. And then you

633
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: had you know, Reggie Miller, Mark Price, Larry Johnson. You know,

634
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: we had some We had a player, Steve Smith was

635
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: also on. So what was I mean?

636
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: Obviously we saw the greatness on the corp, but what

637
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: were practices like where were the bus rides hanging in

638
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: the hotel.

639
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: Was that Like, we had Don uh Nelson coach Nelly,

640
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: so it was a free frolls, which just a hell.

641
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: I was like, man, look, I'm one of the older

642
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: guys on this team. You know, I don't want to

643
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: work that hard. But we were so ready to play

644
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: after those our practices. Man used to see Aliones one

645
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: morning and shot going ahead. He I mean it was

646
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: like they didn't like each other, and they might didn't

647
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: at that time, you know, but our practices was worse

648
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: than the game because practices and always believed us practice

649
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: should always be harder thany game. The game should be

650
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: easy after rewards, it's that's the reward. But it of

651
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: course it's changed now, it's not like that.

652
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: Sean Kim told the story how Nelly made him celebrate

653
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: after after done by grabbing his grabbing his crotch.

654
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: You remember that. Yeah, a whole bunch of people that one.

655
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: But you know, Don was a players coach. Yes, sir,

656
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: that's Mike Donal. You know he'll run you to death,

657
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: but you know what, he'll turn around and say, hey,

658
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: let's go, let's go we have dinner. That was nothing.

659
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: Was that a personal man, but he gonna he's gonna

660
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: work you.

661
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: He's gonna work And I'm glad we talked the back end.

662
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: We got the cool now, Nelly, we got crazy.

663
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: We got.

664
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: We would come to practice either with crown or coffee

665
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: in this cup you just didn't.

666
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: Know what, and a little dog and then let his

667
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: dog shipped in the middle of the court during practice. Oh,

668
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: I'll tell you we had better tell you we had.

669
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: We had. We had quite a few coaches because most

670
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: of my career played for Mike for Teller, Mikey, and

671
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: Mike was a little general and Mike with man. Le'm

672
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: gonna tell you he would if the players are in situations,

673
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: he's in the middle of it. He gonna go down

674
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: with his players, you know. And he's the one guy

675
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: you're gonna do it his way and you ain't gonna

676
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: do it at all. Because I was a guy. At times,

677
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: I didn't think he liked me man, because my name

678
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: was either some little bitch or motherfucker. But I remember

679
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: one time I had twenty three at half and I

680
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 2: had seven rebounds. We were down nine to Chicago. So

681
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: come in the locker, who he says, Nikki, you think

682
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 2: you're better than everybody else? We got a hair cross.

683
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 2: You ask, can't nobody talk to you? He said, let

684
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: me tell you something.

685
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,479
Speaker 1: You ain't that shit.

686
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 2: I was like, huh what I said? You see what

687
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: I did halftime? I said, we down eight nine points,

688
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 2: we still got a chance. He said, shit to me,

689
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: you ain't done nothing. And so I said, you know what, Mike,

690
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: f you he the nofolk you? I said no. It

691
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: went on for like too many, everybody crying, laughing, right,

692
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: you know, and finally everybody walked out of the locker

693
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: room and he grabbed me out of the last one

694
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: to leave. He said, okay, cut the ship. If I

695
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 2: can talk to you like that and at times be little,

696
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: you can't nobody else say it's all anybody? And I

697
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: was like, wow, okay, I said, okay, I got I

698
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: get it. And from that point we never had another argument.

699
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: He would he would say some stuff to me and

700
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 2: like a lot of guys couldn't take. But I knew

701
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: where he was going with the reason. Yeah. And so

702
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: you know, good coaches, man, they find ways to motivate

703
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: you through other means and to your best player a

704
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: lot of time. So I learned a lot from that.

705
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: Dominating in high school seventy nine and one in North Carolina.

706
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 2: I was that man that was that was out saying

707
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: to me, you know when I went when I went there,

708
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: before I went there, you know, they will always get

709
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: to the state championship. We'll get close to the state,

710
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: but they never won. And so when I got there

711
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 2: when I was sixteen, and I got discovered on the

712
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: playground that that next day the guy who got discovered

713
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 2: on the black time. And this is crazy because I

714
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: saw my best friend Rob somebody in Baltimore and I

715
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 2: told my mom. I said, I'm leaving the city. I'm

716
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: never coming back. I left weeks later and my brother said,

717
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: this is with Nick gone. And so I left and

718
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 2: went to Carolina on that grand bus.

719
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: Family out there.

720
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: I had family, but I didn't know where I was

721
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: going to live really because all my grandparents aunts lived

722
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: in Carolina. And so I get off the bus. I

723
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: see these kids playing. I go over and I started

724
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: playing basketball with them. And after I finished, I'm sitting

725
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: on the ground. This oldest gentleman can say, hey, son,

726
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: you living. I was like, I'm not sure yet. He said, well,

727
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: where you're going living? I was like, I don't know.

728
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, and he looked and he said, come

729
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: come go with me. And I don't know why I

730
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: went with him, but I went to his house. He

731
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 2: showed me a bedroom, show me the kitchen. He said,

732
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: you can have all this only trade office. He had

733
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: to play for my high school team. He was a

734
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: high school coach. All those players I was playing the

735
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: front with his players on that high school team.

736
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 1: Get the fresh off the bus, fresh off no plan.

737
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: I had no plan at all. And he said god.

738
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: I said, okay. I lived with him my first year,

739
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: and then after that I lived with my grandparents. But

740
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: we was We won. We had an undefeated season. My

741
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: first year. We went to the semi final States and

742
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: we lost by I think to a team we beat

743
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: by thirty the regular season. And he said, if we

744
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: stick together the next two years, we won't lose another game.

745
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: And we ran off fifty six in a row in

746
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: two years, big back to back stay titles in North Carolina,

747
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: which is hard to do. You know. I played against

748
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: Mitchell Wiggins and Buck Williams, all those guys in high school.

749
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: But that's where it started for me. My high school

750
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: coach man taught me that, you know, there's nothing you

751
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: can't accomplish if you believe.

752
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: Oh, this is the coach he was talking about before

753
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: we got the teacher I could teach you how to

754
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: be a man before.

755
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah he was. He was. You know, you see

756
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: these flyer metric things that they do in the day's game, right,

757
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: So he used to have a bench about this why

758
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: this high, and we used to have to jump across

759
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: this bench without stopping fifty times and if you hesitate,

760
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 2: you got to do it all over again. He would

761
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: do that to help with your timing and explosion. You know,

762
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. You don't realize how much that helped

763
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: us without without timing, you know, and balance. He was.

764
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: He's the greatest coach I ever had. And I don't

765
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: care what level. He's the greatest coach I've had. So

766
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: you de committed from n C State to go to Georgia.

767
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: You know that story. Yeah, you have to deal with

768
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: some racist people burn across in the yard and all that.

769
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: It's a long story, but I get it short. Well.

770
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: First of all, if you're a great player in the

771
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: state of North Calinda in those days, you don't leave

772
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: the a c C. It was like against the law

773
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: to leave the A C C. And so I signed

774
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: eleven tenth with North Carolina State, and you know, it

775
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: was pretty much decided. That's why I'm going. I'm going

776
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: there with Wittenberg and Lowe and Guy thorough Bailey, all

777
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: of us squad man, we had a squad. Then the

778
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: University of Georgia came out of nowhere, and you know today,

779
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 2: you know you had the ni O getting a little

780
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 2: bit of bad give me a little bag, but anyway,

781
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: low bag. But that was part of it. But the

782
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 2: thing is that I didn't want to be compared to anyone,

783
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, by going to University Georgia, was no one

784
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: to compare it to. So five other high school all America,

785
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: we all decided to go there together. So when I

786
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: made that decision, all health prokelues. I got all f's

787
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: on my transcript, paint pulled on my mom car, and

788
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: I had a cross burning in my yard and I

789
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: got arrested. The next day. I'm coming out of a store,

790
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: I think it was Sears or something like that, and

791
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: I had this back there had eight track tapes. Man,

792
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: they had CDs. So I'm coming out of store and

793
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: I just paid for it, right, and I had three

794
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in my pocket. Gentlemen said, we got a wrested.

795
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: We saw you steal at tape. I'm like what, I

796
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: was like, why would I steal a three dollars tape?

797
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: I got three thousand dollars my pocket. You kidded me,

798
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: He said, we got arresture. So they called a police.

799
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: Police came with my uncle. It was my cousin who

800
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: was a police force, and he said, we know what's

801
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: going on, so we're gonna go down a police station.

802
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: We'll work it out. Didn't He said, you know what

803
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take home. We're gonna pack up the house

804
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: and we're getting you, the whole family out tonight. So

805
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: we left at twelve o'clock at night. The whole family

806
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 2: moved out of it, and I didn't go back for

807
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: thirty years until the statue got unvailed. Wow, coach passed.

808
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: That's so I've stayed away that long. I never went back,

809
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: you know, And it's still this day. It bothers me

810
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 2: because you know, that town was unknown before I got there.

811
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 2: But it's still a part of my history. So every

812
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: now and then I'll make a trip back there. But

813
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: that was tough man. The racism was real because we

814
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: had a white prim and black prom when I was

815
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: in high school, white and we had our prom at

816
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 2: the recreation center. They had theirs at the high school.

817
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: I never went on the man, I'm not going to

818
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 2: that shit, you know, and we can't be together. The

819
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: only thing that leveled the racism in North Carolina with sports.

820
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: One of my teammates was a white guy named Bobby Mouth.

821
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: He and I the very close friends to this day,

822
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: and that's the one thing he said, this is the

823
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: only thing that level the racism in our town. It's

824
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: basketball and sports, you know, because our fans will follow

825
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 2: us all over the state. When we played, the town

826
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: would be empty. But we came to social issues, it

827
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: was different problem. Yeah, it was a problem.

828
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: And then when you decided to leave, it was really different.

829
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: When I left went to Georgia, they said, well, you know,

830
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: we thought we could have him for another four years,

831
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: have me. You don't own me. Yeah, you know, but

832
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: that's what they thought, you know. But thirty years to

833
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: go back, man, that was that's crazy. The only evening

834
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: went back because my coach passed and I said, you

835
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 2: know what if the mayor of that town can drive

836
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: all the way to Atlanta and view my film. I

837
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: can go back, and that's the reason why I went back.

838
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 2: How proud are you being at Georgia alumna Anthony Ell was, Oh, yeah,

839
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 2: that's that's my guy. I was like a mentor to him,

840
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: you know, when he was coming up, and it's great

841
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: to see the level of success he's achieved so far.

842
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: So people don't know that you and stead Smith uh

843
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: or instrumental and raising him, having a lot to do

844
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 3: with him.

845
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: You don't know that because you know, he was a

846
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: kid that his family earlier he.

847
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: Lost the family, so he moved around a different place.

848
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: But and I understand you know how he felt and

849
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: what he went through because I went through that. And

850
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: so to see how he you know, persevered through all

851
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: those disappointments and became what he is now. Man, it's

852
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: a testament to his will and his determination to be

853
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: successful and show him that hey, I can do this.

854
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: Because he had every reason stacked up against him not

855
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 3: to make it and to give up everything.

856
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: Makes sense why he's so spoken, funny and well, because

857
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: he's probably did a lot of crying. That's how you

858
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: I used to you know, too. I used to make

859
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: people laugh because I would cry all the time. And

860
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: when I get a chance to be funny or be outgoing,

861
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: that was me kind of hide and.

862
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: Pain back in the day. So you're doing yeah, you

863
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: know exactly what we're talking about. You know, with him,

864
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 2: you know, growing up in the tough areas and then nobody.

865
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: He don't feel nobody. You know, he's a guy. He's

866
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: gonna he's gonna step up and be ready for the challenge.

867
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: And that's what I admire about him. Man, he just

868
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: come out. He just plays the game, and he's been

869
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: doing that since high school.

870
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: You feel like he could be the face of the league.

871
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: I think he will be at at some point. I

872
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: think he will be if he keeps maturing and going

873
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 2: like he's going, absolutely, and that's what I'm hoping for. Yeah,

874
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 2: me too.

875
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty two third pick goes to Utah. Initially, what

876
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: were you thinking.

877
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: I wasn't going hell no, no, no, no, no, no,

878
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell y'all crazy to Utah. And

879
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: then they told me I'd been playing power forward. I

880
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 2: like y'all at two fifteen, not me. I said, y'all, beady,

881
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: trade me today. So you know, we get a call

882
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: that I've been traded to Atlanta, which I wanted to

883
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: go to Atlanta. Uh, Freeman Williams a million dollars and

884
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: John Drew back then, that's a ton, but.

885
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: It's he It was rumored to be the worst trade

886
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: in the history of it is goud.

887
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: You know what at that time, you know, they were

888
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: struggling Utah to make payroll. You know, so the money

889
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: of that trade for really kind of helped for a

890
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: short period of time until they got new ownership and

891
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: investments with that team, because yeah, they were struggling financially,

892
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: and so you know, people tell me all the time, man,

893
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: you really helped save the franchise because they were gonna

894
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: have to move. I said, well, I'm happy for them,

895
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: but I'm glad I would have to go there.

896
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: You know, any truth that Hank Aaron was instrumental in

897
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: getting you over there.

898
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: It was Hank Aaron and a guy named Mike Garrant

899
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: seniors like a father to me. You know, he was

900
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: part of the Atlanta Hawks at that time. And so

901
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: they told Ted Turner was Hank Aaron said, you need

902
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: to get this kid by any means necessary. I've been

903
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,959
Speaker 2: following him ever since he came to Georgia. He said,

904
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: if you can trade to get him, trade everybody you can,

905
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 2: and so they did. They traded two proven players, John

906
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: jew who was a star now and a million dollars

907
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: man I and went to heaven like man. So, yeah,

908
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: that was a great opportunity for.

909
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: Me back then, Duncan, although it's not the only part

910
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: of your game, it was something that you were known for.

911
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: Where did that athleticism come from? And just the want

912
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: to just dunk that motherfucker so hard?

913
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: You know what, man, It's been that way since I

914
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 2: was a kid. My first dunk was twelve years old

915
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: and what Yeah.

916
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: It's like sixth grade.

917
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: I told, were you about five eight five twelve? See,

918
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: I was in this thing called BNBL. Was a basketball league,

919
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't you know. It was just really

920
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: playground basketball. And I came down on fast break and

921
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: the guy was trailing me. I just went up and

922
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: I dunked it and I'm running everybody celebrating and I

923
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 2: go down the other end. The refreer where you going?

924
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: I said, what's wrong? He said, you got foul? So yeah,

925
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: come down shoot the funeral you know, and all the

926
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 2: old heads me said, young man, then they say young

927
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: something else. You know, young motherfucker.

928
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 4: You know you're gonna be all right.

929
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: You're gonna be the first one to get out our neighborhood.

930
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: So it's hands off. Nobody messes with him because back

931
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: then you had to be in the game. I used

932
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: us to the next because I played basketball was hands off,

933
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: and so they used to make me play against older

934
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 2: guys for money. So I had to play that much harder.

935
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 2: And so as I started to grow black, I said,

936
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: when I get a chance and I ever get anybody

937
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: back paling that lamb, I'm gonna let them happen. And

938
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: so I only knew how to play the game at

939
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: one speed and that's all out. And so I used

940
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: dunking for a two for intimidation and really who it was,

941
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 2: but it was to give me an advantage, give me

942
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: an edge over the guy I was playing good because

943
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: I figured, if I can get two files on you early, right,

944
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 2: I got all the advantage in the world. Now because

945
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: you ain't play I gotta yeah it's physical, Yeah, you

946
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: can't play physical. So that was it was always. I

947
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: was always thinking the game and that's sense. How can

948
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: I create vantage? And Duncan was one of them tools man,

949
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: that I used, and I just took it to a

950
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: different level.

951
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: Obviously, a career full of highlights. Are there any dunks

952
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: that's to kind of stand out to your mind? You

953
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: said you love dunkan on big dudes.

954
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: That's you know. Yeah. I think one of my favorite

955
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,959
Speaker 2: dunks was against Bob Lanier at the end of the game.

956
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: I remember, I'm on the right side and I come

957
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: to the middle and Kevin Greedy cuts me off and

958
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: I go back base, sit right here, jump. That's it.

959
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: That's the one.

960
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: Was that a double punt reverse on to the side,

961
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: So you see a ball fake hold on?

962
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 2: Post game though? How many guards that post game? Back

963
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: then through Hey, let me tell you he didn't speak

964
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 2: to me for nine years. I said, why you why

965
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: are you not? I mean, what's up with that? He said?

966
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: As just recently my daughter said I need to get by.

967
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: I said, he said, this little skinny kid dunk on

968
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: you like that. You should be embarrassed.

969
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: God damn when you kind of see how that say yourself,

970
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: obviously he could put yourself back.

971
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: What do you think one of the things that You

972
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: could never put a little guard like that on me

973
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: because if you switch, I'm going right to the post.

974
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be out on the wing. You're not

975
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 2: gonna switch. He's thinking that you're gonna hide. Ain't no hiding,

976
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: because we're gonna make you pay for switching. And I

977
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: didn't know that was gonna happen because I thought I

978
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: thought maybe I closed my eyes when I went by

979
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: baseline and we went up, he was at the rim

980
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: like this, you went and I kept going up. He

981
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: was coming down and he looked at me all the

982
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: way down the court. And my teammates said, don't go

983
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: back to the basket, cause he's gonna fuck you up.

984
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: She wasn't letting that happen. No, no tree, you told

985
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 2: my tough guys, let me explain something about tree. She

986
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 2: ain't letting that. There's only so much you could say

987
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: the tree before he slaps you. Yeah, man, I'm not

988
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: going And I've seen him slap many got a cart

989
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: right guards. I mean he slaps on gods. I said,

990
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 2: treat man, why you slap people like that? He said,

991
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: it takes that manhood when I slap, right, that's what

992
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: that's Hey, that's what get man the same way. I know.

993
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: That's my dog. I mean the brother. That's one of

994
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: the reason why you don't want to play power forward.

995
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: Look at it right there, that's him and Zeke. Oh no, Vinny.

996
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: That said eight foot wings.

997
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: You can't get in there. You're not getting in there.

998
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: And see he has you got to you gotta take

999
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: one to getting there. And he had no problem hit.

1000
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: Look how far away he's swinging though, like you can't

1001
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: even get.

1002
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got you got to take one back. Then

1003
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't no just wolfing wolf wasn't no crazy fine

1004
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: nah man. I mean, I'm a oak with the first

1005
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 2: kid and jump. So he said, I'm gonna hit your hands,

1006
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 2: your hands, you know. He scored and just jab somebody

1007
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: running back. Look, hey, that's nobody like that. Something that

1008
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,959
Speaker 2: came in all out brawl because he dunked and Danny

1009
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: ain't no nobody He hit him with his elbow because

1010
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: Danny Ain't kept jabbing him in the ribs every time

1011
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: he go by a pick. So that was a perfect

1012
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: opportunity for treating get him. They got you in your

1013
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: bag too. Me and Bird got into it. They got

1014
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: into the situation and I could man my train, I

1015
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: couldn't get loose. I hate that I couldn't get like.

1016
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: Like this is this little the strength and conditioning motherfucker right, I.

1017
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: Couldn't get loose. He did on purpose to watch the face.

1018
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: He almost broke his neck. He took his face and

1019
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: andrels a competitor to oh yeah, yeah, the back down.

1020
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: You know one guy that he's another guy that gave

1021
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: me so much respect man that after I retired. Yeah,

1022
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: because he was a past man. We we got in

1023
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: so many fights from Boston. Man, it was a normal thing.

1024
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: But you know what, it was expected. It wasn't personal.

1025
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: We're just trying to to in between Boston and Detroit

1026
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: and New York teams we had. We had it because

1027
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: if you hit us, we're hitting you back. You know.

1028
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 2: That was just our attitude. We had a we had

1029
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,959
Speaker 2: a policy on our team. Anybody gets into it, bench clear.

1030
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: If the bench don't clear.

1031
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: You you right, you find if you didn't come now,

1032
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: you get fined. You get fined.

1033
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: I'm doing just like this. I catch you all after Yeah,

1034
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 2: I'm not giving up twenty five. That was different, no,

1035
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: but but then you know your fines were like one

1036
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty two hundred dollars. Fine, you know, and

1037
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: we used to we should put it. Yeah, I wouldn't

1038
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: noticed that, right, Hey, I know we put it in

1039
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: a we put it in a pot, you know, and

1040
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 2: we have shooting and shoot for it. Yeah, that's our minimal.

1041
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: That's because it wasn't that much. May you know, flagrant found.

1042
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: We didn't really know what the flaggran found was. Everything

1043
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: looked back then against that in my horn, he gonna

1044
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: he's gonna lie about it if you talk to me.

1045
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 2: I'm coming down. And I get hit by here by

1046
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: my horn, right, I get hit and the smaller back

1047
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 2: by lambering. I went like that. Damn. It hit the

1048
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: ground and I wasn't hurt, but I just looked up.

1049
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: I said, they didn't just snatch me out of the ASP.

1050
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: I just jump out and start swinging. And then I

1051
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: came to my senses. I said, damn, I gotta fight

1052
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: these two big now. Then on this side Kevin Willis

1053
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: comes up, and on this side of tree rollins, I

1054
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: got more braid and they got closer, right, and you know,

1055
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 2: and nobody nobody right there too. He even tried to

1056
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 2: black a shot. Yeah, man, my horn beefing right now?

1057
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 2: Wo he was he just cheap shot at You know.

1058
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: I broke my hand on his head though, punch him

1059
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 2: in the back of his head and broke my finger.

1060
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: I said, boy, you got a big old head. Boy.

1061
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: I had to pay for that. You know, I wasn't

1062
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 2: a guy. I didn't start a lot of crap. And

1063
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: it's you know, a lot of fighting. But one thing

1064
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: about I wasn't gonna start no fighting. But I'm on

1065
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: him on yeah, you know you're not knocking this.

1066
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: You know.

1067
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: One thing I didn't deal with disrespect man. You know,

1068
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: I just played my game. You know that's it. But

1069
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, you have certain guys that

1070
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: you don't like. I don't care. And like I said,

1071
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 2: it ain't nothing they did. They just don't like like

1072
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 2: like Chuck person and play with. And then we fought

1073
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: all the right time. We fought all the time, even

1074
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 2: in pre season. I'm coming down the court, pre said,

1075
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: wamn it, hits me, knocked the win at me. I

1076
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: just got I just start swinging out, you know, hit

1077
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: them two or three times. Then somebody grabbed me by

1078
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 2: the neck and I'm choking. They choking me right to

1079
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: like with Draymond, deal with Gobert. Then it's arm loosen

1080
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: up and all you hear behind him, your boy caves

1081
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: and let him go, let them go. And he went

1082
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: limp and I looked back like.

1083
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate the big So if you read if

1084
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: if he threw punches back, then what was that five hundred.

1085
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: To fifty two hundred? Oh god that man? Hey fifty

1086
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: you got thrown a million. He might you might have

1087
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 2: got thrown out, but you might have got a technical file.

1088
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: You get that second taxtic too, But go twenty five

1089
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: thousand for pushing somebody.

1090
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 2: Man, You know what we would guy would laugh at

1091
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 2: that back then push times. We got enough time, we

1092
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: got pushed and pushed up. Man. But you know, for us,

1093
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: it's set the tone, like you know the game, This

1094
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 2: could be the game. Ain't gonna be no, okay, for

1095
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 2: I got fined three million, and he ain't die.

1096
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 4: He said, he didn't even die.

1097
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 2: He I remember when you got fired at three thousand,

1098
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 2: were watching dollars. So y'all had a total of about

1099
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: what eight? Uh no, not close to ten million? Man,

1100
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 2: Ron was eight a piece, I mean just me and

1101
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 2: him was eight. He got five. I had three Wow,

1102
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: and all the other players ended up to be like ten.

1103
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: So you know, you know right now, you know you

1104
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: talk about fine, if you dunk on a guy, you

1105
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 2: look at him ridiculous back. I'm like, come on, man,

1106
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: come on, man, I think I need to call the

1107
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: league and go back and watch you know, you know

1108
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 2: what he's got to need to watch real street ball. Yeah,

1109
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: how them brothers play, Hey, they would make a lot

1110
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: of them.

1111
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: Or hockey. You just go sit down four minutes.

1112
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 3: The league is full a whole bunch of light skin

1113
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 3: casts and they all ain't like you ain't gonna get

1114
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: too much of that.

1115
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 2: Don't tell the toughest life the crazy league right now,

1116
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: the tougher light skin you you talk about life skin.

1117
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: The toughest nights got to play this game is Mary's Lucas.

1118
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: They enforce what hey, nobody messing with him, Nobody who

1119
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 2: was the one he noted someone out him and Daryl

1120
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: Dawkins went to when I was in college back then,

1121
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to do it. But Marius Lucas and

1122
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: Pete Marriage used to train me in the summertime, and

1123
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 2: so when I came league, I got the toughest guy

1124
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 2: in the league. Then I got the wonder little skilled

1125
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: guy to ever played the game working out with me.

1126
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: And you know, Marius Lucas, when you work out, if

1127
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: you ain't working hard with him, he get upset. Man,

1128
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 2: he'll call you out and you ain't gonna question him.

1129
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: You know, you've seen some of the fights he had. Man,

1130
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 2: what was Pistol Pete Like Pistol Pete was before his time.

1131
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,959
Speaker 1: Amparent to anybody who's ever played the game.

1132
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: I think he a mixture of some guys. You know,

1133
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 2: you look at some of the stuff that Kyrie does.

1134
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 2: Pete Marriage was doing that way back then. And Pete

1135
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 2: Maverage was six five sixty six point, he was tall.

1136
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: He was just a freaking that his court vision was.

1137
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: It's unmatched the stuff he could do with the ball.

1138
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 2: And so I learned a lot from them guys coming

1139
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: into the league because they helped prepare me. So he

1140
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 2: was showing down darkers just now with Maurice, looked nasty,

1141
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:11,919
Speaker 2: were big, tough. We're playing in Phoenix and Doc rivers

1142
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 2: and Cole Macy gets on that. Doc literally kicks cow

1143
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: Mason right in his ass, and Marie Lucas came up

1144
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: behind Doc and grabbed him by his head like this.

1145
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: He said, that's enough of that ship. And I looked

1146
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 2: at the tree all the day around. I said, which

1147
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: one of y'all gonna help Doc? You know I ain't

1148
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: saying nothing to this dude. You know, you know, hey,

1149
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 2: nobody moved nobody. He used to knock you on the floor, right,

1150
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: and he reached down to help you up there. And

1151
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 2: the fans think he's being a nice guy, and he's

1152
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 2: telling him, he said, get your ass up. It an't

1153
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: time to lay down now. This is what you want.

1154
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: This is how it's gonna be all night long. I

1155
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 2: love it. He was a man. It was some It

1156
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: was just some animal. Mean the fact there, I said,

1157
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: you have to put a tool on the line. They

1158
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: had They had Anthony Mason, they had another guy that

1159
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: Keim Bannister. Them guys are the three amingles. And then

1160
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: you got they don't realize the level of toughness that

1161
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: was in the area. Not only toughness, but skilled players

1162
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 2: who was tough, you know, and strong, strong grown man's,

1163
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 2: real grown men. I mean, mister Mean he got that

1164
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 2: name for a reason, mister mad not play. You know.

1165
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 2: I made friends with some of the guys, like a

1166
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: lot of guys like Lonnie Shelton. You remember Lonie Shelton.

1167
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 2: Lonnie Shelton got robbed out in front of the arena

1168
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 2: one game Atlanta in Cleveland. He took the gun from

1169
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: the guy who robbed him. Pistol whipm set on him

1170
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: to the police game and he was like two sixty

1171
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: playing the three. I was like, man's here in the

1172
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: US because he because again he fought Buck Williams.

1173
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: Oh wow, remember that bucket buckles.

1174
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 2: Him and Buck fought for one of the court to

1175
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: the other end, to the tunnel, to the bus.

1176
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 3: How many people you know name not each one of them,

1177
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 3: you know, the big old black dudes, big old strong

1178
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 3: about black.

1179
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: Beer North Carolina kids. Yeah, just just looked like a

1180
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 2: big old I'm talking about bro. Everybody named Buck looked

1181
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 2: like they can knock you out until he could and

1182
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: would for real. Everybody named Buck just a probably You

1183
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: understand now why I didn't want to play power for Yeah, Well,

1184
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: no three. I'm a three. I've been a three since

1185
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: I was a bait. I ain't trying to play no

1186
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: other positions.

1187
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm a three, you know, Yes, so you had five

1188
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: dunk contests one, two, the Home Cooking you should have

1189
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: won three the Home Cooking and eighty eight for Chicago

1190
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: when Mike won his what were those? What were those

1191
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: dunk contests? That's back when the stars the best player.

1192
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: We wanted to know who the best was. I don't

1193
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 2: think guys want to know who the best is.

1194
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: They're scared enough, they scared to lose. They're free to

1195
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: look thin.

1196
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: It's gonna, you know, interfere with your legacy or whatever.

1197
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: The fact that they still talking about Jordan and Michael

1198
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: dunk contest thirty five years later, tell you his greatest

1199
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: dunk contest, right, because you had great players going head

1200
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: up and that one in Chicago was that was that

1201
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: was a great dunk contest. And it was funny because

1202
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: after he said, Nick, you know you know you want

1203
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: I know you want to do in Chicago. What can

1204
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: I say? I said, well, tell you give me the

1205
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 2: twenty five granded They gave. But it about two years ago.

1206
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 2: Man I went to greet him and his wife and

1207
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: was sitting at the table and I went to say hello.

1208
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 2: He said, you know you won that dunk contest that

1209
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: so how are you doing, Mike? You're doing good. But

1210
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: the fact that you know, he acknowledged that a few times. Man,

1211
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 2: it's special. So for me, it isn't about who want

1212
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 2: to a loss, you know, competitive because it speaks to

1213
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 2: your greatness man, you know. And we never talked about it.

1214
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 2: We never talked about who wanted lost. It was kind

1215
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: of unspoken rule with us.

1216
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: But she was doing dunk contest, dunks and games.

1217
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: Well, he would both of us. None of us ever went,

1218
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 2: you know, when we were going to dunk contest, never

1219
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: went to a gym doing some stuff. And I never

1220
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: practiced those dunks, not once. Some of the dunks I

1221
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: thought as the contest went on, like the one I

1222
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 2: threw off the glass when of them got women. I've

1223
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 2: never done that one before. I just knew, I said,

1224
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 2: with jumping abillity, I if you catch it right, yeah,

1225
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 2: this dunk the hall as you can, you know. And

1226
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 2: so I never worked on that stuff, and neither did he.

1227
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: Neither did he.

1228
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 3: I would love to see y'all having one on one

1229
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 3: to talk about like Magic and Isaiah did. I'd love

1230
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 3: to see you and Mike because you might be the

1231
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 3: person gave Mike the most work in his career.

1232
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 2: We went at it. I know that we went at it,

1233
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 2: you know, and the thing that we have so much

1234
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 2: respect for on and one thing that's what I love

1235
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 2: about it. One thing he said, man, and I looked

1236
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: at it. I'm like, wow, he actually believed that, he said,

1237
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 2: you know, when I was going against Nick, he said,

1238
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 2: Nick was amazing. I just tried to be as amazing.

1239
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: And I said special. Wow, that's pretty special, he said,

1240
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 2: you know, but it just showed me that how special

1241
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 2: our relationship was, you know, as competitors, you know, but

1242
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 2: how special you were as well. Well. He's always showed

1243
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 2: me respect, you know, and he don't know about it

1244
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 2: with him and he used to say, like, look, we

1245
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: play excuse me. You know, we're gonna make a tough

1246
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 2: on We're gonna double and triple. You know. I rarely

1247
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 2: ever saw one on one coverage, you know, as a player,

1248
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 2: and so a lot of times they would send a

1249
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: guy at me as soon as I caught it, you know, like,

1250
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 2: don't even give him a chance to go into that

1251
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: Sam move or get to the middle. And but Chicago

1252
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: was a team that you know, I had great success

1253
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 2: with and probably because of Michael Jordan and Scotti. You know,

1254
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 2: they brought out that level of toughness.

1255
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: If Adam Silver gave you the opportunity, said, Dominique, we

1256
01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: need you to fix the dunk contest.

1257
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 2: You do I gotten asked that question before. At first,

1258
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 2: I said, won't we throw more money at it? I'll

1259
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 2: let you pick the you know, I said, but they

1260
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: make too much money. That ain't gonna work. I said,

1261
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 2: you know, if you can pick the contestants and sit

1262
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 2: down and say, hey man, this would be great for

1263
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: the contest, great for the fans for that weekend. Would

1264
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 2: you be willing to get into it. I don't know

1265
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 2: a lot of guys who be willing to do it.

1266
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 2: So to answer a question, I really don't know. Because

1267
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 2: you got a G League guy and Clone has coming

1268
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 2: won it twice in a row, Matt mcluon, and I

1269
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 2: have much respect for him, the tough little guy man,

1270
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 2: and he puts on the shows. And I told her,

1271
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 2: I said he had, I said, yeah, he worked. I said,

1272
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 2: you had. You had to come with it to beat

1273
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: this kid. But on the other side, as as a

1274
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: competitor that's in the NBA going to like you should

1275
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 2: be a little embarrassed, right, let me tell you And

1276
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: it's just my mentality. Anybody coming up, that's a guy

1277
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 2: that's not known out of nowhere, not even the league,

1278
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: gonna beat me. And he happened, especially if I got

1279
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 2: them boys. No, no, no, I'm going, I'm going. I'm

1280
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 2: going upstairs and get it, you know. And that's funny thing.

1281
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 2: I'm talking about my son, my youngest son, six eleven seventeen,

1282
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 2: and he does some things. Man. I had to look

1283
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 2: at my brother like, holy shit, you see, I said,

1284
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 2: you see where he came from. I mean, he goes

1285
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 2: off the bounce off of one foot, man, he goes

1286
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 2: above that square and I saw it in state championship. Man,

1287
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 2: he was catching stuff. Man, it was so effortless. My

1288
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 2: brother looked at me and said, where did he get

1289
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 2: it from? Nick? Are you surprised? You know? He inherited that,

1290
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,919
Speaker 2: you know. I was like, yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1291
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 2: you know.

1292
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: So is Gerald your brother? You guys cousins? No brother brother, yeah,

1293
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: younger brother, my younger brother.

1294
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: No, he's my second younger Basin. I got a younger brother, James,

1295
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 2: who was probably as good or better than Gerald and

1296
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 2: towards me up and then Daniel's son runs ot. Yeah,

1297
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: and his son is live. He the truth. He might

1298
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: be the best one at all, y'all. Who son, Yeah, yeah,

1299
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: he the true guard true him and my true son.

1300
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: Him and my son. You know, they's around the same age.

1301
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 2: They both nice. Well, my son is I think a

1302
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 2: year older than him, but yeah, he's they both nice. Nice.

1303
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: Getting the opportunity to play against your brother in the

1304
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: league though, that's.

1305
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 2: That's two parts. And have you ever had a dunk contest?

1306
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 2: My brother because he could jump to oh he was

1307
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 2: in the dunk contest and said, I ever had your own? Oh? No, No,

1308
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: he knew who the king was. You know your place?

1309
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 2: You know place. And my son, my young son. He

1310
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 2: thinks he got me figured out. He talked to me crazive.

1311
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 2: So he gonna say to his coaches when they said

1312
01:05:54,480 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 2: you at seventeen, me at seventeen, Dad, who's better? I said, Man, hey,

1313
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 2: you're gonna make a lot of money. Man. So if

1314
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: they believe that, I'm all for it. Yeah, Hey, you

1315
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: a much better player than I ever was. I said,

1316
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 2: But don't get a twisted Yeah, you know, I said,

1317
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 2: I don't really want to tell you the truth, but

1318
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 2: member's up there. I said, Look, if you want to

1319
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 2: get to that level of professionalism, dominant work, you got

1320
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 2: to work for it. And he said to me, he said,

1321
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be better than you, Dad. And I said,

1322
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 2: I love that attitude, son, I love the fact that

1323
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 2: you know you're willing to work for it. He said,

1324
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 2: I know, I got a lot of work to do.

1325
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 2: I said, Look, if you as half as good, you

1326
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 2: can make more money. I ever dream if you're half

1327
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 2: is good, I said, so all you got to do

1328
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 2: is want it. Everything else comes easy.

1329
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: Tough Eastern Conference when you were trying to navigate your

1330
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: way through career average twenty five and seven, but never

1331
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: got a chance to make the Eastern finals. What was

1332
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: the best chance you feel like you guys had against Boston.

1333
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 2: First of all, you got to beat Boston and the

1334
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 2: Prime with their five Hall of Famers. You got to

1335
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 2: get Chicago and their prime with Multimore Famous, you got

1336
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 2: Detroit and their Prime with Moca, you got the next,

1337
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 2: you got Milwaukee, you got Cleveland. Oh, these are good teams,

1338
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 2: great teams. So if you make it to the second round,

1339
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 2: you've had a hell of a season because the East

1340
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 2: was loaded. I mean, people need to talk about that.

1341
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: Cleveland Cavolliers team back then. How good they were for

1342
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 2: Nance and hot Rode and Harper and who was at

1343
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 2: the guard Mark Price. That a good team. Man's some

1344
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 2: great teams. And then you got that Indiana Pacers team.

1345
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 2: They were loaded, you know, so it was it was

1346
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 2: hard to get out of the East man. You know,

1347
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 2: been to the Eastern Conference second round many times, but

1348
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 2: getting to the conference finals, yeah, the good command because

1349
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 2: you always bet on Boston to be there, and this

1350
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 2: even before Chicago had their run. And then you got

1351
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 2: New York, Indiana, Oh, Philadelphia seventy Yeah, with doctor j

1352
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 2: and Mosehunt and people don't understand that level of competition. Man,

1353
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: you were lucky. You had to have some luck to

1354
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 2: get out of the second round because all those all

1355
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 2: those teams has been there at one point in time.

1356
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 2: They've been there before. But it's hard for us to

1357
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 2: talk about it because people, ah, yeah, it wasn't that good.

1358
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 2: You have no idea.

1359
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: What was what year was your last year?

1360
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 2: I stopped. I want to say ninety eight ninety nine

1361
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 2: with my.

1362
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: Sol you got you went had to head with Jordan

1363
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: for many years. You got to see at the end

1364
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: of your career, you got to see Kobe any can

1365
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: you compare and contrast those you.

1366
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 2: Love Cob Kobe old school throwback with a new school twist.

1367
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 2: You know, I remember when he left, when he was

1368
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 2: leaving it the last game in Atlanta, and I went

1369
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 2: to the locker room afterwards. I said, man, I love

1370
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 2: the way you know you played the game. You never

1371
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,440
Speaker 2: made excuses, you play, didn't make excuses, help hip accountable.

1372
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 2: I said, you the last of our kind. I when

1373
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 2: you leave, the last of our kind leads with it.

1374
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 2: And he looked at me and said, man, that's really

1375
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 2: really means like coming for you, because a lot of

1376
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 2: the legendary guys have told me that. I said, It's true, Man,

1377
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 2: that's just true. He was a student of the game.

1378
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 2: I said, man, you play no matter what I mean,

1379
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 2: you played really on the bad Achilles, which you ain't.

1380
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna do that, Kobe, Kobe, I mean, if you

1381
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 2: talk about comparisons, he the closest to me as a

1382
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 2: Michael like player ever ever. And I don't think you'll

1383
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 2: find too many people that would disagree, right, especially us.

1384
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 2: And they played the same position, you know he was

1385
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 2: you played against Kobe. I've seen I've seen the Skirvices.

1386
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: They you had an injury in ninety two that was

1387
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: ending a lot of careers. You battle back through an

1388
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: achilles In the next year you averaged thirty points game.

1389
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 2: What was that reason? Which unheard of back then.

1390
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm still unhard of it, you know, because.

1391
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 2: Currently I was such a competitor. Man, I wasn't gonna

1392
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 2: let an obstacle like that hold stop me, because I

1393
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 2: tell people all the time, obstacles are not meant to

1394
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 2: stop you. It's meant to make you sit back. You

1395
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 2: find a way to get over it. Around there, and

1396
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 2: I said, I'm gonna work. So I worked twice a

1397
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 2: day every day for nine months, and I did water

1398
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 2: therapy with everything you can name. And I remember coming back.

1399
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 2: I was in training camp and I hit the ground

1400
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 2: really hard and I grabbed my my achilles right, but

1401
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 2: I have no pain. Just like you know what, I'm

1402
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 2: going all out. If the pops is gonna pop on

1403
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 2: my terms, I'm going all out. And I remember the

1404
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 2: first game of the season, playing against New York and

1405
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 2: I scored thirty and I said, motherfuckers, I'm back. I'm back.

1406
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 2: I'm back, and said this is gonna be all year.

1407
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 2: And you like I haveage thirty points the game that year.

1408
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 2: Then they made the trade after that that was about money.

1409
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 2: That wasn't about my ability. But that's another thing. I know.

1410
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,520
Speaker 2: Feel like the winner Chip Overseas.

1411
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 3: I'm actually Don Pablo and Dominican Republic right now, might

1412
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 3: have a couple of kids.

1413
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 2: How y'all meet, y'all stupid? But how does it feel

1414
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 2: winning the championship oversee? Oh? Man? Win in that championship

1415
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 2: in Greece? Man Greek fans the most fanatical fans in

1416
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 2: the world or their nuts. Man. When we played the

1417
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 2: European Championship, we was in Paris, you know, being in

1418
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 2: my home, and the Greek fans took over Paris and

1419
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 2: the police said, as long as they don't tear up anything.

1420
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: It was the most unreal thing I've ever experienced. When

1421
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 2: I get back to the airport in Athens' two hundred

1422
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand people the airport damn and we had

1423
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 2: to go and buses, police force and whole ride. Year

1424
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 2: I was scared to death already. Who you are the

1425
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 2: NBA and do you come out there with this day?

1426
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 2: They treat me like I'm one of their own. Day

1427
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 2: I was just over there this summer, and I can't

1428
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 2: tell you the respect that I got there when I

1429
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 2: went there. I mean, I didn't want for nothing, to

1430
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 2: pay for nothing to this day, man, because we won

1431
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 2: the first championship they ever won. They won seven since then.

1432
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 2: I'm trying to take Mad to d R for you

1433
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 2: have his baby, so panop night, coach. Yeah, I take

1434
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 2: Mad the DR for you've been.

1435
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: I already got motherfucking about seven kids.

1436
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 2: I don't need anymore. No, we're not gonna go down

1437
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 2: that for more kids. Yeah. The food and the people

1438
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 2: are awesome. Yeah.

1439
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 1: Right, they might have rest you for back payd child support, definitely.

1440
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: I just don't know how much this has been conversation.

1441
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm what you're talking about the way he's like, I

1442
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 1: got He's like, I'm done. You got eight, right?

1443
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 2: I got? I got sevenncause I got five girls and

1444
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 2: two sons. Yeah, man, I had a girl paying me

1445
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 2: back from my earlier life.

1446
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 3: But just like Oscar Robinson, daughter just said, you're gonna

1447
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 3: be good at your old age because you got daughters.

1448
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 2: They gonna take care, gonna take care. Hey they do, Yeah,

1449
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 2: and I'm good. I got five. Oldest is forty and

1450
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 2: my youngest is sixteen. Yeah, I'm getting old man. You

1451
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 2: still look good. Hey, Movement is life, Yeah, I gotta

1452
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 2: keep moving.

1453
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let

1454
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 1: us know dream.

1455
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 2: Dunk contests, including yourself, all time you and three more guys. Well,

1456
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 2: of course you got to have Mike and Doctor Jay.

1457
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 2: Of course automatically you gotta have them in there, the

1458
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:38,759
Speaker 2: diggy Diggy doctor Bench Carter. That's class right there. Nobody

1459
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 2: else deserves more one more. Who else deserves to be

1460
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 2: in there? That's in fine?

1461
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: Maybe he has someone that's for I got an honorable

1462
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: mention David Thompson.

1463
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 2: David Okay, I thought was gonna say Sean Camp to

1464
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 2: Sean Camp. Well, Sean, yeah, Sean Camp definitely, I mean

1465
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 2: because he's a different type. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, powerful.

1466
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 2: You gotta put him with so you're right, I mean, yeah, yeah,

1467
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 2: he highly influenced by you know what, and sometimes you know,

1468
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 2: we forget about Sean and so you know, I'm putting

1469
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 2: them in that top six game. Yeah, all y'all was special.

1470
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: One thing you wish you were better at.

1471
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 2: Most people say three point shooting, but I could shoot

1472
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 2: the three I had that never never had a problem

1473
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 2: with three point shooting. I think for me, the thing

1474
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 2: you can always get better at as a player is

1475
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,719
Speaker 2: the fundamentals of the game, different fundaments, the little things,

1476
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 2: even having to handle the ball more, be more efficient passing,

1477
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So I think the total fundamentals of

1478
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,560
Speaker 2: the game, you could always be better. But you know,

1479
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 2: back when we were playing, you know, we concentrate on

1480
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 2: all that stuff. You know, we were just kind of

1481
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,600
Speaker 2: trying to to win however that looked, and however we

1482
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 2: got there, we was going to do this.

1483
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: I got the question, do you guys, because I know

1484
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: training is so heavy in the game, and you guys

1485
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 1: off seasons, did you guys train, train harder, just play

1486
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: a lot about you know what.

1487
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 2: I never stopped playing for one play, but I never

1488
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 2: stopped training. You know, I was always on the track.

1489
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 2: I was always you know, I didn't lift a lot

1490
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 2: because my game was about endurance and speed. So I

1491
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 2: didn't do a lot. I didn't have to because you

1492
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 2: get you get stronger just by bumping down in the season.

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01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean I didn't mean like training, like

1494
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 1: running and lifting, I mean like skill work.

1495
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 2: Did you guys do that?

1496
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: Oh?

1497
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did a lot of skills. We did a

1498
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 2: lot of skill because you know, the thing is, I

1499
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 2: don't understand. Guy's going the gym and you can work out,

1500
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 2: but how do you perfect your game from a skill level.

1501
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 2: You got to play against guys to kind of illustrate

1502
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 2: those skills that you've been working all the work, right,

1503
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, you got to play the play the game,

1504
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 2: play the game. Play the game, play the game. But

1505
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 2: I always worked on I worked on if I'm weak

1506
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 2: at my left, I worked on my left if I

1507
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 2: needed to add another more because every year, my first

1508
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 2: five years, I put new two new things in my game.

1509
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 2: So one guy wasn't gonna babyguard man because I was

1510
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 2: going to have a counter to his counter. Like my

1511
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 2: high school coach always taught me. One guy had no

1512
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 2: shot by himself. I don't give the damn who he

1513
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 2: was any help. That's kind of what Cobe said. Kobe said,

1514
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 2: I'm not even worrying about the person. I'm worried about

1515
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 2: the person who don't help. That's the thing he from us,

1516
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 2: you know, because I know I can beat him. That

1517
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 2: guy there, I want to see where he's coming from,

1518
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 2: because if I can get there, I know he's coming,

1519
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 2: But how are you beat the double team? Go before

1520
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 2: it gets there? A lot of guys you know, you wait,

1521
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 2: you wait, wait, I ain't not waiting on going. I'm gone,

1522
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 2: you know. And then we decide that at the rim,

1523
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 2: what you're going to get me at the rim?

1524
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: Is there any but this is not on the list.

1525
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask, have you seen anyone since

1526
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: you're done playing to remind you of yourself at all?

1527
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 2: I think it's a mixture of guys. I don't think

1528
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 2: it's one. But you know, Jalen Brown, for example, A

1529
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 2: lot of things he do is reminds me of some

1530
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 2: of the things I did. But but you look how

1531
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 2: a guy like Lebron gets in the open floor. You

1532
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 2: ain't stop down here. That's that was my thing. If

1533
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 2: I get an open floor, it was over, you know.

1534
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 2: And so I think it's a mixture of guys. You know. Yeah,

1535
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 2: this one guy that's that's that's a hard one. Childhood crush,

1536
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 2: my high school girl that I never got. I never

1537
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 2: got her got oh man, I tried, but yeah, my name,

1538
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 2: huh name? I remember her? Damn she was country, she

1539
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 2: was she was country. The name was Wilhelmina, will Lean

1540
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 2: Country country, that name, I know that name right, curved up. Yeah,

1541
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 2: them willing maids and them willing men. Yeah, it's always

1542
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 2: one of these guys married and start raising chickens. Yeah

1543
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 2: that's Wilhelmina, that's all. I'm like, you can have the chickens, babe.

1544
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: May one album you can play with no skips.

1545
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder you picked the album anyone him, Frankie Beverly,

1546
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 2: Maid's Gap Band and Earth Winding Fire, same thing, I said,

1547
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 2: my relative, my relatives saying one of the leaves with

1548
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 2: earth Winding was Philip to Yeah, he's he's a special

1549
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 2: but your guilty pleasure cigars. That's probably my guiltiest place.

1550
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 2: You know, I have at least one a day. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1551
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 2: I have. I have my own brain coming out to

1552
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 2: shout it out. Yeah. Well, you know we're trying to

1553
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 2: finalize thing right now.

1554
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: You know you got to get that money first coming,

1555
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 1: so you got to make sure that you know, right,

1556
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 1: are you in Atlanta?

1557
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 2: I mean Atlanta?

1558
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: Okay, we got we got some we're gonna go doing

1559
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: thevent out there.

1560
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 2: We're gonna have you off to Yeah, just let me know.

1561
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 2: Let me know you got my information. Just let me know.

1562
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 3: If you could see one guest on all the smoke,

1563
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 3: but you rusted, you rusted all, you rusted his hell dog.

1564
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 3: It's embarrassing. Okay, get your ship together. Come on, man,

1565
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 3: get your ship to get back in the gym. But

1566
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 3: he's been in the gym lippings and getting trying to

1567
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 3: get ready for getting.

1568
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 2: To look like he can still played.

1569
01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 3: He will, he still get cooked by his sons. You

1570
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 3: can see one person on all the smoke, who would

1571
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 3: it be? But you have to help us get your

1572
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 3: answer on the show.

1573
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 2: Call him alone. The male man be crazy, yes, and

1574
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 2: some things. That's why I said I said something. I mean,

1575
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 2: if you come up here on up to him, were

1576
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 2: cool because I ain't say noning that ain't true. And

1577
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 2: I definitely said to.

1578
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: Him, well, Dominique, man, we appreciate your time. We appreciate

1579
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: your time, We appreciate all you.

1580
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 2: He knows me better than he knows me.

1581
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: I'll tell you all you gave to the game man,

1582
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: and and and again. We brought it up throughout the interview.

1583
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't get the flower and the recognition

1584
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: you deserve, but the real basketball.

1585
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 2: Has appreciate I think it's okay. The real one. We know, man,

1586
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 2: we appreci appreciate it.

1587
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,440
Speaker 4: To thank you man, Jacksonville.

1588
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: When you come, sir, that's the right, Dominique Wilkins. You

1589
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 1: can catch this on damn Where are we at now? Everywhere,

1590
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 1: Kings Network and all the Smoke Productions YouTube. Man, We'll

1591
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: see y'all next week.

1592
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, mm hmmm.