1 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: And welcome in Lake Kick on the air. 2 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 2: It is Thursday night, March twenty fifth, the Year of 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: Our Lord, twenty twenty one, jam packed show, Walda Wall. 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Let me tell you what we're talking about tonight. 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: Then I got to give you a quick housekeeping slash 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: programming note, because even as March madness goes on, so 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: too does Late Kick, because so too does a jam 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: packed spring period of college football. Right now, it's not 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: slowing down, So we're not either tonight ed or Zarn 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 2: made some really crazy comments that I've got to talk about, 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: not so much in the hot take variety. That's not 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: really the market that we're in around here, but I 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: think a lot of it kind of it kind of 14 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: drifted under the radar really because of the tone and 15 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: the tenor and the presentation. And we're not gonna do that. 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: We're gonna do like we're gonna read a transcript and 17 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: we're gonna say, what did he say? Also, big injury 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: news at Georgia. George Pickens is out for the foreseeable 19 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: future with the torn acl That is a huge, huge, 20 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: huge injury for the landscape of Georgia and for the 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: landscape of the SEC. So we're going to talk about that. 22 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: We're gonna do the USC Mood Tracker tonight BI popular Demand, 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 2: and we're also going to talk about a number of 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: new head coaches in the Southeastern Conference and the hurdles 25 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: they have to clear because you may have Josh Heipel 26 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: coming in the door at Tennessee, whereas you have I 27 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: don't know, Clark Lee at Vanderbilt. But then you've got 28 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: Brian Harson at Auburn, Shane Biemer at South Carolina. Different programs, 29 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 2: different situations, they're at different stages. 30 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: So we've got to talk about the hurdles there. 31 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: The quick programming note that I need to tell you 32 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: about is, as you notice, we did not do a 33 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: Late Kick Live on Sunday Night. What we did was 34 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: we bumped it to Tuesday. We had really good interaction there. 35 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: It's not a novel concept. We do Tuesday shows in 36 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: the fall, but in the X season sometimes we go 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: two shows a week at Sunday and Thursday. So because 38 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: of basketball, we did it on Tuesday Night. You guys 39 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: loved that. So what we're gonna do this upcoming weekend 40 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: is we're going to take what would normally be on 41 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: Sunday and We're going to do another Tuesday night show. 42 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: It's not going to be at its normal time though, 43 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: because the Elite Eight will be tipping off later that night. 44 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: We're going to bring you Late Kick and it's going 45 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: to come Tuesday, but it'll probably be around five or 46 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: six Eastern time, so just be heads up for that. Obviously, 47 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: if you've got your bell notifications turned on, you'll get notified. 48 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: If you happen to miss it for whatever reason, you'll 49 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: have the replay. But we will have Late Kick on 50 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: Tuesday night again. That'll be the next time we do 51 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: a live show. Also, steady stream of follows are coming 52 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: in on Instagram. The next Late Kick Show Owners Association 53 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: meeting that we do will be when I hit two 54 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: thousand on there. I mean, let's get to two hundred thousand, 55 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: but two thousands the next goal at Late Kick, Josh, 56 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: go give me a follow on Instagram. When we get there, 57 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: the next Late Kick Show Owners Association meeting will commence. 58 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: So with all of that out of the way, let's 59 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: talk about some college football. Ed Orzeron had a pretty 60 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: bizarre press conference the other day. It's the middle of spring. 61 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: You don't expect it. It happens when you least suspect it. 62 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: But there were some comments that ed orsz are On 63 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: made Tuesday that raised both of my eyebrows, and I 64 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: wasn't alone there, but there weren't quite as many people 65 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: who noticed it, I guess, for lack of a better term, 66 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: as I thought there would be, which goes back to 67 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: a principle we talked about on this show before, and 68 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: that is, sometimes you have to divorce yourself from the 69 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: tone or the personality or the backdrop, whether figurative or literal, 70 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 2: of a press conference or a statement being made, and 71 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: you just have to take the statement for what it is. 72 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: So I'm going to do something here that we know. 73 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: We don't really play a lot of sound by it 74 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 2: sods sound on tape. 75 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: It's what it stands for. But we're not gonna We're 76 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: not gonna play a long clip here. 77 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: But I do want to play the clip because I 78 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: want you to listen for yourself and from Edward's Jaron's mouth, 79 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: I want you to hear these words, and then you 80 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: and I will react together. 81 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: So let's roll it and then we'll react after. 82 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: First of all, I think we did a great job 83 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: of hiring the coaches and doing a great job of 84 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 3: interviewing them. I hired some coaches I didn't even interview 85 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 3: last from the last staff, and I'm never doing that again. 86 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: I I interviewed everybody we didn't get the first second. 87 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what we got them. On offense, I'm 88 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: happy with them. I talked to Joe Bottom, I interviewed them. 89 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: I told them exactly what I want to have. The answers. 90 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: They're very smart. I couldn't be more pleased with them. 91 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 3: You know, Deronte was like the fourth or fifth choice, 92 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: so's I who cares he's here. He's doing a tremendous job. 93 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 3: Andre Carter, I'm so excited about him. As d line 94 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: coach Blake is doing a tremendous job. And DJ and 95 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 3: Jacob doing great jobs. So I very pleased with offense 96 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 3: and very pleased with our defense. And you know, obviously 97 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 3: coach Mack, I like my trust our staff. You know, 98 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 3: I said to myself, I'm not gonna let things slip by, 99 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: not one thing. I'm identified, and I told the coaches, 100 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 3: and they might think nothing's good enough, but I'm gonna 101 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 3: be hands on. I'm watching every piece of film. I'm 102 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 3: marking it down, just like I didn't in the years before. 103 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 3: They're gonna have to explain to me what are we doing? 104 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 3: Almost cuss there, what are we doing, how are we 105 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 3: doing it? And why are we doing it? And they 106 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: understand that, you know, they say, yes, sir, I got 107 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: a staff that's gonna listen. We've got a veteran team 108 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: coming back. We've got thirty three guys that are start 109 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: the post to the year before. So there's a lot 110 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 3: of differences this year. That doesn't mean it's gonna make 111 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: a difference, but I expect to have a good team 112 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: this year. 113 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: Okay, so there it is. Let's let it breathe, let's 114 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: let it sizzle, let's react. There's a chance I think 115 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: you gathered this by listening. There's a chance if you 116 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 2: just had that playing. Let's say you were watching it 117 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: live on Tuesday when it happened, and you're kind of 118 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 2: you're about your business, you know, washing the dishes. 119 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: Or whatever, and you were kind of passively listening. 120 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 2: I could see how that would go totally under your 121 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 2: radar and it would sound like just another coach's voice 122 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: at another press conference after another spring practice, and you 123 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: wouldn't really make much of it. However, when we start 124 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: breaking it down, there was a lot said there. There 125 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 2: are red flags all over the place, blatant red flags that, 126 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: as I tweeted out the other day, I think, are 127 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: only covered up by this really thin layer of icing, 128 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: And that icing is made up of passion and personality. 129 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 2: Because there's no doubt before we break this thing down 130 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: on the granular level, there is no doubt about the 131 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: passion ed Orzron has there. There's no doubt about his 132 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: willingness to try and commit to getting it right. I 133 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 2: don't question any of that. But passion alone does not 134 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: win you football games. Passion alone doesn't even qualify you 135 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: to be a head coach. If it did, then you'd 136 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: have one hundred plus thousand folks every Saturday in Baton 137 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: Rouge who were qualified to be roaming sidelines, actually leading 138 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: the team instead of merely cheering for the team. 139 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: So here's what I want to do. 140 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 2: I want to revisit this and let's just pretend instead 141 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 2: of listening, let's just pretend we're reading the words off 142 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: a transcript. You don't know whose mouth came out of. 143 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 2: You don't see it, you don't hear it. You just 144 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: read it. I think if you read it like a 145 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: court testimony, this stuff really stands out. 146 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: Let me preface, I love LSU. You guys know that. 147 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 1: You guys know my affinity for the program. 148 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: So that's the backdrop with which these words are coming 149 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: out of my mouth. The first thing that caught my 150 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: ears was when he said, you know, I had coaches 151 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: on this staff last year that I hired, but I 152 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: never even interviewed him. 153 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: That was a baseball bat to the face to me. 154 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 2: I rewounded about three or four times to make sure 155 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 2: I didn't miss anything. I even went and listened to 156 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: the full press conference so I could gather the context. 157 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: So I was making triple sure that we weren't just 158 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: being misled and it wasn't some clickbait stuff. It wasn't 159 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: everything I just showed you there. We edit it down 160 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: for time. Was a direct representation of what Edwards ro'd 161 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: said about the hiring process. 162 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: I want you to think about that now. 163 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: Edwards run's being paid eight and a half or so 164 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: million dollars a year and just openly admitted to you 165 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: I hired people on the staff last year. 166 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: I didn't even interview him. 167 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: I don't know what in the world he was doing, 168 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: but he wasn't interviewing people on his staff. He's not 169 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: talking about grad assistance, He's not talking about off field analysts. 170 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: We're talking about people who either are coordinators or position coaches, 171 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: and there they are on the sideline coaching every day 172 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: at practice, coaching for LSU. I mean, the hopes of 173 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty squad ultimately rest on their shoulders. We 174 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: haven't even interviewed him. That boggled my mind when I 175 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: heard that. And secondly, I have a theory as to 176 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: why that probably was what I think is and this 177 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: was a mistake, But what I think was ed Orzron 178 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: believed coming out of twenty nineteen they had cast the 179 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: mold and it was just in place forever at LSU. 180 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: And then what he thought to himself is, since we 181 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: have the mold here already, you know, since we have 182 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: what other successful programs have we just plug anyone in here. 183 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: It's a plug and go situation right now. 184 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: So if I can afford to be selective and I 185 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: can plug any kind of football man into this mold, 186 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to go find people who mirror my personality type. 187 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 2: And he didn't like Dave Iranda's personality. But he loves 188 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: the personality of a guy like Bo Polinia, for example, 189 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: and so you plug guys like Bo Polinia, and well, 190 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 2: the problem is he was a terrible fit. And the 191 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: reason I have further confirmation, at least confirmation bias on 192 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: this is because ed Orzron went out of his way 193 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: before a game was ever played. He went out of 194 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: his way during the fall of last year to talk 195 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: about how improved they already were defensively. Of course, there 196 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: was there's no evidence that they were improved because as 197 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: games played out, we found out the defense was terrible. 198 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: So there was definitely no evidence that he could have 199 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: seen in practice that was actually indicating they had upgraded 200 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: from Dave Randa. He just wanted to say it number one, 201 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 2: because he wanted to dig into the side of Dave Verranda. 202 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: But number two, I guess he wanted his own. 203 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: Confirmation bias, and so I believe he mistakenly thought the 204 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: molds already cast here, we can put whoever we want 205 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: to in these coaching chairs and little work. 206 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: Well, no, no, you can't do that, and no it 207 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: didn't work. 208 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: The second little tidbit I took out of this was 209 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: him admitting that Dronte Jones their new defensive coordinator there 210 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: was his fourth or fifth choice. He said, yeah, Deronte 211 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: is my fourth or fifth choice. Who cares well? If 212 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: it's that irrelevant, I probably little words to the wise 213 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: wouldn't bring it up. 214 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: I especially wouldn't publicize that. 215 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 2: I want anyone out there lsu or otherwise add himself 216 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 2: or otherwise. Can anyone tell me any benefit to publicizing 217 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: something like that, cause, Director Collin, I can't find it. 218 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: We can't find it anywhere. I have not spoken to 219 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: someone yet who gave me a justifiable reason for why 220 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: Ed or Zarn would feel the need to tell you 221 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: the dude I hired? What my first choice? Second note, 222 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: third note? Maybe fourth, maybe fifth? 223 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. Do we understand who's listening to this? 224 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: Well? Number one Derante Jones is now he got hired, 225 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 2: so he's thankful regardless. 226 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: But I'm a recruit. I'm listening to that. 227 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: I'm on the current roster. I'm listening to that. And 228 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter so much when everything's going right. 229 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: This is another theme I'm about to bring back up 230 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 2: a little bit later on. It doesn't matter when things 231 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: are going right. But imagine if you get into the 232 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: season and we have very mixed results, and let's say 233 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: I'm not where I want to be necessarily on the 234 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: depth chart. Let's see, I'm running with the twos an 235 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: outside linebacker instead of the ones, and I don't like it. 236 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: I don't agree with it, and so I start to 237 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: form some divisions in that locker room. 238 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: Well, here's my ammunition. The ammunition I'm using. 239 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: Is coach O himself said in the spring, this dude, 240 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: what his first choice or the second or third. So 241 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: mister backup option over here is defensive coordinators. The one 242 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 2: who doesn't think I should be starting, Well, maybe if 243 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: he would have hired the guy that was number one 244 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: or number two on his list, I would be starting, 245 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: because maybe the right coach in here would realize my 246 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: value and my worth. All of this stuff is on 247 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: the table in a normal setting. It's especially on the 248 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: table when you publicize the fact that I didn't really 249 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: get the coaches in here I wanted to, So I 250 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: got the ones that I had to settle for not good. 251 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: I don't see any way that works out well. 252 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: But number three, and even after all of what we've 253 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: talked about so far, Number three is probably the biggest 254 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: deal to me, cause the other two are kind of 255 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 2: in the past, I guess, so to speak. Number three though, 256 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: is in the future. And number three was where he said, 257 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to be really hands on with every aspect 258 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: of this program that's not at Orizonan's wheelhouse, never has been, 259 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: I don't think it ever will be. And so I 260 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: know that you could play Devil's advocate here. So Devil's 261 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: advocate would say, well, he should be hands on. He's 262 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: the head coach, it's his program. And if you'll listen closely, 263 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: he didn't say he was going to interfere in the 264 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: offensive meetings. He didn't say he was going to interfere 265 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: in defensive installation. What he said was he's going to 266 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: demand accountability. He's going to demand to know why things 267 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 2: are being done, and he's just gonna want an accurate 268 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: and a meaningful accounting of how the program is operating. 269 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: That's great, that's what every head coach should do. 270 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: However, if you don't have a master tactician x's and 271 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: o's type coach, which Edwards Urn isn't, then typically what 272 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: you want them to be is a really really good 273 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: CEO type. Okay, that is how I would qualify edwors 274 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: Ron kind of the same way that Dabo built things 275 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: at Clemson. He didn't really specialize in being a master 276 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: tactician on one side of the ball or the other, 277 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: but he was a great leader and he put the 278 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 2: right tacticians in place to run the appropriate aspects of 279 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: his team well Now, edwars Muran says, I'm gonna be 280 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: a little bit more hands on here. Okay, coaches have 281 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 2: done that before and they've succeeded, And the Devil's advocates 282 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: out there may be right. Maybe he just wants to 283 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: make sure he has an accurate accounting of everything that's 284 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: going on. And as long as they're winning, I don't 285 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: think there'll be an issue. Always arises here. Anytime that 286 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: you start to feel like a coach is meddling in 287 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: areas of the program that he really shouldn't, it happens 288 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: when things are going sideways a little ways, and that's 289 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: what could happen with LSU. Think about again possible scenario 290 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 2: as we get into the season here. Instead of starting 291 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: out five and zero, let's say they've started two and 292 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: two and they got a big week coming up where 293 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: they're struggling to stay about five hundred. 294 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: Well, at that point, all of. 295 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 2: A sudden, you're in the offensive meetings and everything's not working. 296 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: You got an offensive coordinator over here, you're hired, and 297 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 2: he's explaining to you the why, But all of a sudden, 298 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 2: you're saying, well, that's not working, so then we got 299 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 2: to do things differently. Well, that's when the meddaling starts, 300 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: and it kind of happens in degrees. 301 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, you got a coach who 302 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: is really in. 303 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: Over his skis, but hey, it's his program and he's 304 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: in kind of defense mechanism mode. Anyway, that's where things 305 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: go sideways really quickly. So I would love for us 306 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: to get to October or November lsusing contention for the 307 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: SEC West, and we can pull this clip up and 308 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: we can laugh at it together and it's really overblown. 309 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: I'd love to be able to do that, But I'd 310 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: be lying to you if I didn't say I had 311 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: some concerns about this. Concerns abound in Athens, Georgia right now, 312 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: and with good reason. George Pickens big time receiving not 313 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: a prospect A product at Georgia was set to have 314 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: a huge year. This year was going to blow up 315 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: on all the NFL radars if he had and already, well, 316 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: there's been a detour now because George Pickens tore his 317 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: ACL in practice Tuesday. 318 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: It was a non contact injury. 319 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: Georgia made it official, so at least we don't have 320 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 2: to listen to the rumor mill. 321 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: This have it officially. What does this mean? 322 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: So anytime we have these big injuries, I like to 323 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: do my first thoughts, what's the roster impact, what's the 324 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: longer term impact? So we'll do those in stages here. 325 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: My first thoughts when this news came down was there 326 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: are players on any given roster that you could put 327 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: in kind of a hierarchy like a one, two, three, four, 328 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 2: five of the ones you can least afford to lose, 329 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: like JT. Daniels would be the least a four loss 330 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: for Georgia. George Pickens is way up on that list. 331 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: This reminded me very favorably to win Alabama lost Dylan Moses. 332 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: Different sides of the ball, obviously, but they were kind 333 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: of thin at linebacker, was Alabama? They were kind of 334 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: thin at linebacker. But you knew that as long as 335 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: you got Moses there, and you got all these other 336 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: young talented guys they can work off of him. Well, 337 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: once you lost him, you're gonna have to have like 338 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: Christian Harris and Shane Lee start as true freshman and 339 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: it was kind of a lost season for Alabama at 340 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: that position in a lot of ways. Well, at Georgia, 341 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: they're not lacking for names the depth chart. When you 342 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: look at the Georgia wide receiver depth chart, there are 343 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: plenty of names that a lot of you remember, either 344 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: from seeing them play or more likely from following recruiting 345 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: and remembering when Georgia landed all these big name receivers. However, 346 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: names on a depth chart do not equal proven production. 347 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: There was a great connection last year, especially when JT. 348 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: Daniels came in down the stretch for Georgia and they 349 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: kind of righted the ship offensively a little bit. 350 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: They showed you base. 351 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: A preview of what they could be next year and 352 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: next year is here now. And part of that connection 353 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: was the JT. Daniels to George Pickens connection. 354 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: It was great. I mean, that's who caught the moss 355 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: balls by far from J T. 356 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: Daniels, That's what gave you the most hope for being 357 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: sort of a nucleus of that passing game, and then 358 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: everything else can extend off that and work off that. Well, 359 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: now you kind of you don't start from scratch, obviously, 360 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 2: because there's a lot of talent there, but you sort 361 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: of hit the reset button in terms of what the 362 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: passing game is going to look like. So the immediate 363 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: roster impact, I think Jake Row and Rusty and Kipping, 364 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: the guys over at Dogs twenty four to seven dot 365 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: com they've done a really good job of encapsulating this. 366 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: I thought to myself immediately when I saw that injury. 367 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: A couple of names came to mind, but the main 368 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: one was Jermaine Burton. 369 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: Thuse. 370 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: Jermaine Burton was the guy at times last year, aside 371 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: from Pickens, who you looked at and said, he's got 372 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: that package. If you just eyeball him and you see 373 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: the flashes that he shows, he has that complete package 374 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: sort of makeup. They've been crazy about him ever since 375 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: he's been on campus. He's one of those guys who 376 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: you always look at and say, boy when the light 377 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: comes on, boy when things finally click into place, and 378 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 2: he's got some time for that to happen. Jermaine Burton's 379 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 2: got to step up. He's got to have a big, 380 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: big year now. Kiris Jackson, he's a veteran now, he's 381 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: been there for a while. Heiris Jackson's the guy you 382 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: can depend on. Different type of receiver though, so keep 383 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: in mind if we're looking to fill a slot, not 384 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: slot receiver, but a slot left open now with the 385 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: loss of George Pickens, you're probably looking for a certain type. Now, 386 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: I thought Jake Rowe over on the Dogs twenty four 387 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: to seven board the other day made a really shrewd 388 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: observation shared some intel that I don't really think is 389 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: widely known. And that was even before the Pickens injury. 390 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 2: Georgia coaches were eying they were kind of eyeing the 391 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: transfer portal a little bit, looking for another another receiver, 392 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 2: maybe a speedier option at receiver. And so, now, what 393 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: does that do to that effort, Because certainly it doesn't 394 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 2: take away the need for, at least in their mind, 395 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: another speedy optionate receiver. But now, maybe do you try 396 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 2: and leverage the portal for a different kind of receiver 397 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: or two receivers, re receivers, whatever the case may be. 398 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: Keep an eye on that. 399 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 2: Aaron Smith is a great speed guy who's coming in 400 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 2: out of the high school ranks. Don Blaylock is still there. 401 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 2: Demitrius Robertson is still there. Justin Robinson is a guy. 402 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: If you're looking strictly at body type, it's probably the 403 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 2: most comparable to George Pickens. 404 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: Darnell Washington is a freak show at tight end. 405 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: Again, a different package there, but obviously someone who's gonna 406 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 2: have to be integral in this passing game. Marcus rosemy 407 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 2: Jack Saint is another guy that goes to show you 408 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: there are so many names on this roster. The name 409 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: is not going to be a shortage of names. It's 410 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: going to be a shortage if it is of anything 411 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 2: of proven production. So then the longer term impact basically 412 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: that means what they're going to mean in the season. 413 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: I go back to last year, and I go back 414 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 2: to thinking last year after Todd Munkin had been hired 415 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 2: and the prevailing wisdom was okay with the hiring of 416 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: Todd Munkin, therein pushes the button on our offensive reset 417 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 2: at Georgia. But then COVID happened, Spring got taken away. 418 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: You had a quarterback situation in flux as it turned out, 419 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: and so a lot of I think, even at the time, 420 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: what Kirby Smart was prepared to commit to went out 421 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 2: the window. 422 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: He knew he was going to have a great defense. 423 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: He wasn't willing to sacrifice the season with an offensive 424 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: experiment that he didn't have time to properly implement. 425 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: Okay, well that ended up happening. So then we get 426 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 2: through the season, you insert JT. Daniels down the stretch 427 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty looks pretty good, and you say, all right, 428 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: if he comes back, which he did, we're gonna have 429 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: a really really good advanced knowledge on what to expect 430 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 2: from Georgia in twenty twenty one, and we'll get all 431 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 2: of spring. So you're gonna get spring. But now with 432 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 2: spring comes risk, and so now I wonder how big 433 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: an impact this has philosophically, again, with Kirby Smart looking 434 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 2: at what he knows, they can do, what he thinks 435 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: they need to do. With every injury, with everything that 436 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 2: happens to your roster, there is a reaction. And I'm 437 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 2: not just talking about let's move him to this position. 438 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: Let's go to the portal and get him for that position. 439 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,239 Speaker 2: I'm talking about overall game strategy. I'm not saying this 440 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: up ends Georgia's game strategy of twenty twenty one. What 441 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: I am saying is you've got a head coach that's 442 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 2: had a propensity to make his default setting going ultra 443 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: conservative and playing defense. That's his default setting. I'm not 444 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 2: saying that's always going to be his setting. Coaches have 445 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 2: changed before. His former boss at Alabama has totally changed 446 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 2: his offensive approach. But if they were committed fully to 447 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: that offensive approach this year, fully being the keyword, then 448 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: that means this injury doesn't change that. And so the 449 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: bigger picture is an open ended question is how much 450 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 2: does this impact that? And I think what they see 451 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 2: from the rest of spring through fall camp will go 452 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 2: a long way and determining ultimately what they're comfortable doing. 453 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: It's a workable schedule, really workable schedule. 454 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 2: I think if you look at that opening week game, 455 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 2: as whey I wrap up here between thumbson and Georgia, 456 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: how many questions do we have on both sides going 457 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 2: into that game? This is just another big one, but 458 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 2: no shortage on questions for what could be for we 459 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 2: know the biggest college football out of conference game of 460 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 2: the year, Let's head to the West coast and do 461 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: the USC mood Tracker. A lot of people out in 462 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: Southern Cowland have been asking for this, and I put 463 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: the mood for Southern Cow's fan base right now at 464 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: fixing the focus. And what I mean by that is 465 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: an anger that any of you who have ever looked 466 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: at the blurry picture have felt. Blurry pictures are the worst. 467 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: You'd rather just start over. You'd either have a clean, clear, crisp, 468 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 2: infocused picture or just don't give me the picture at all. 469 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 2: So the thing about a blurry picture is this, you 470 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 2: can still tell it something like there's an image there. 471 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: You just have no clue about the finer aspects of 472 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,719 Speaker 2: the image because it's not focused. And so at Southern 473 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 2: Cal And I got a couple of buddies, believe it 474 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: or not, from back home in Georgia who are massive 475 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 2: USC fans. 476 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: They have sung this tune for years. 477 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: Any Southern Cal fan I listened to they sing the 478 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: same general tune. They may not say it in so 479 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 2: many words. They just want clarity either either we're going 480 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 2: to be terrible going to be great. And there are 481 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 2: several factors that go into that. We just want clarity 482 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: right now. There's all kinds of varying degrees of fuzziness, 483 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: whether it be the picture of head coach or the 484 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: picture of the athletic department, or in some cases things 485 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: you can't control, like the picture of the Pac twelve. 486 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 2: So many things recruiting, they're just fuzzy year to year. 487 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 2: There's no consistency, and so that's what USC fans want. 488 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: That's the mood right now. 489 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: Can we just have some definitiveness somewhere about this program? 490 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: Play Helton, Let's just start there. Is he going to 491 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: be the man? Or is he not going to be 492 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: the man? 493 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 2: Coming into last year, it was a foregone conclusion and 494 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: basically ninety percent of people's minds well already skating on 495 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 2: thin ice. 496 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: With hot blades. This year, we'll take care of him. 497 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: Well, it didn't because you had COVID come in and 498 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 2: then there was an abbreviated season and they ended up 499 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 2: in the Pac twelve championship game, and so then we 500 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: come out of it no closer to finality, but yet 501 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: also no closer to being in focused or infocused than 502 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 2: we were going into the season. 503 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: Don't know, is he going to be the guy? Is 504 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: he not going to be the guy? No one knows. 505 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: If no, then what else do we need to see 506 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: happen here for action to be taken. If the answer 507 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 2: is yes, how long do we have to wait to 508 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 2: figure out the answer is yes? I'll kick it kind 509 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: of up the ladder a little bit to recruiting, which 510 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 2: ultimately ties back into head coach. But USC's roster is 511 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 2: it going to be college football Playoff caliber? It's going 512 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 2: to meet those standards the teams that if I'm a 513 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: Southern Cal that if I'm a Southern Cal fan, the 514 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 2: teams that we watch in the Playoff that we haven't 515 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: been a part of yet since its inception. When's our 516 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: roster going to look like those rosters? And so I 517 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: look at a signing class like last year we finished 518 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 2: in the sixties, like abhorrent, totally inexcusable. But then I 519 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 2: look at this last cycle in twenty twenty one, I 520 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 2: guess it was and we've got fory Foreman signing with USC. 521 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: We're finishing inside the top ten. Where's the consistency, where's 522 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: the clarity? There's It's fuzzy, That's what it is. It's 523 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 2: another out of focus picture. No one quite knows what 524 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: to make of the recruiting apparatus. No one white knows 525 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 2: what to make of the roster. There's no reason to 526 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: feel like we got them pretty well pegged. 527 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: No, you don't. 528 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 2: They finished what was it, Colin, They finished sixty fourth 529 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: last year, finished eighth this year. 530 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: There's no consistency. So at least some. 531 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 2: Clarity in the recruiting picture, in the roster picture would 532 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: be great. Kind of an evergreen question right now at USC, 533 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 2: it seems is clarity inside. 534 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: The athletic department. 535 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 2: Now that's a much bigger issue that could warrant its 536 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 2: own show. But as it pertains to USC football, a 537 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: lot of folks just want to know number one, like. 538 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: Do we have the right leadership? Obviously? 539 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 2: And number two, are we fully committed to football? Are 540 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 2: we fully committed to winning and putting a product on 541 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 2: the field, and even more so, putting procedures in place 542 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: in the football apparatus that allows us to compete at 543 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 2: the highest level. 544 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: So sometimes you think yes. 545 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 2: And then you get a move from leadership or a 546 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 2: lack of a move from leadership that leads you to think, man, 547 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 2: maybe they don't really take this serious. 548 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: I do so you've got that. 549 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 2: But then the fourth one is probably the most troubling one, 550 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 2: and this extends beyond USC even but it also affects USC, 551 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: and that is the lack of clarity in the conference picture. 552 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 2: Is the PAC twelve going to give us the best 553 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: opportunity to succeed long term? Now this one is really 554 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: bad because the lack of clarity there is not something 555 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: you control. Theoretically, you control the others, you don't control this, 556 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: and so poor decision making at the conference level bleeds 557 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 2: down to Southern cal and bleeds down to Oregon and 558 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: Cal and Washington and wherever else. But you feel the 559 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 2: pinch here because one of the worst things that could 560 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 2: happen is you develop clarity in these other categories and 561 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 2: then you realize all the while, why am I not 562 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: running faster? Oh, I've got a parachute tied to my 563 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 2: back and it was placed there by my own conference. 564 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 2: So a USC fan looks around and there's so many 565 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: departments where it's not hideous, it's just not great. And 566 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 2: again we're USC, not U. See Santa Barbara USC football trojans, 567 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 2: the iconic helmet, the iconic stadium, the iconic look. We 568 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: deserve to be great, is the point here. This sport 569 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: is built and tilted towards us. We're supposed to be great, 570 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 2: so either we should be or if we're not, we 571 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 2: need to figure out why. And it wants to be 572 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 2: definitive and it's not definitive right now. It's just kind 573 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: of random degrees of fuzziness and out of focus. 574 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: So that's what we're looking for. At USC. 575 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 2: Someone find the auto focus and if you can't auto 576 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 2: focus it, just shift it the manual and do it yourself. 577 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 2: Let's go back to the SEC to wrap the show up. 578 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: Here several new coaches around the SEC, and they have 579 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 2: different hurdles to clear. We've gotten some questions about this, 580 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 2: and instead of doing individuals, I'm just going to put 581 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 2: them all in this one segment. Normally, when you get 582 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 2: hired in this sport, it's caused the previous guy failed, 583 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 2: and he failed on such a spectacular level that he 584 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 2: was fired and then you were hired. Well normally, obviously 585 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 2: what that means is you got a little bit of 586 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: a rebuild that you inherit. That's not allway, is the case. 587 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 2: Like Lincoln Riley when he took over at Oklahoma, there 588 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: was no rebuild Ryan Day Ohio State. I think even 589 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 2: Kirby Smart at Georgia took over great positions where there 590 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 2: wasn't a huge rebuild that was needed. But most places 591 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: there are, and we got four of them now in 592 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: the SEC this year where yeah, to varying degrees, there's 593 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: a rebuild needed. We've got Brian Harson at Auburn, Shane 594 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: Beemer at South Carolina, Josh Heipel at Tennessee, and Clark 595 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 2: Lee at Vanderbilt that I wanted to briefly define the 596 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 2: key hurdles for and then we'll watch them this fall 597 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 2: moving forward. Brian Harson at Auburn was the first one 598 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about. 599 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: What is the main hurdle? 600 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 2: You can play right along with me here, what's the 601 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 2: main hurdle that you think Brian Harson has at Auburn Because. 602 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: To me, it's sort of twofold here. 603 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: It's developing your pipelines and that's mainly recruiting, and that's 604 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 2: your network contacts and the relationships with the high school 605 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: scene down here. But also you need to distinguish Auburn. 606 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 2: So what's going to attract people to Auburn? What's going 607 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 2: to attract recruits to Auburn is they either need to 608 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: know you or they need to know Auburn. When I 609 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 2: mentioned Brian Harson to a kid at Grayson High School 610 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 2: or down in Thibodeaux, Louisiana, or in Montgomery, Alabama. They 611 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 2: need to either have a clear, distinguished, positive, ideally picture 612 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 2: of you as a coach in their mind, or they 613 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: need to readily identify Auburn football with fill in the blank, 614 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: something good in the blank. Ideally it would be both, 615 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 2: but at least one or the other needs to be distinguished. 616 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: Right now, Auburn's kind of anonymous to a lot of 617 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 2: high school kids. Auburn's kind of anonymous. They're that school 618 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: that just fired their head coach. 619 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: Obviously. They're that school that. 620 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: Used to specialize and hang in half a hundred on 621 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: people every weekend, but that fell by the wayside. And 622 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 2: sometimes they were good defensively, lately they haven't even been 623 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: all that great defensively. 624 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: They just kind of are. 625 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: They live in Alabama's shadow right now, they're living in 626 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: Georgia's shadow, and so they hired a new coach. If 627 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: I'm a recruit, I'm waiting. I'm seeing how they distinguished themselves. 628 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: I don't know much about the coach. He came from Idaho, 629 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 2: that's in Russia somewhere, So I'm gonna wait. I need 630 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 2: to either know something about the coach or something about 631 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: the program. Those are the two big hurdles for Brian Harson. 632 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: How about Shane Biemer at South Carolina. Different set of 633 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: hurdles here, because I think Shane Biemer has to master 634 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,239 Speaker 2: what I call the two front approach. It's a two 635 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: front battle right now. Talk the same way about Jeff 636 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 2: Collins at Georgia Tech. Shane Biemer inherits a worse roster 637 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 2: situation than for example, Brian Harson has at Auburn. So 638 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: he's got a lot to rebuild behind the scenes, the 639 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 2: inner wiring. He's got a lot to rebuild to where 640 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 2: even though they fully invested in him, he cannot give 641 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: the fan base there in the administration an immediate return 642 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 2: on investment. That's okay, that's understood, But yet you still 643 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: need the positive energy. So what is the two front 644 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 2: and battle? Well, I just told you one front, but 645 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: that's behind the curt all the inner wiring, all the 646 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: building up of the roster, all the changing of the culture. 647 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 2: That's behind the curt They don't want to hear about that. 648 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 2: What you have to do on the other and that's 649 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: the one you put out front on stage, is you 650 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: have to master the art of marketing your program, not 651 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: just to the fan base, but to recruits as well. Again, 652 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: I would follow the Georgia Tech blueprint. I think Jeff 653 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: Collins and company there in Atlanta, they've done a great 654 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 2: job of this. They won three games last year, they 655 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 2: won three games the year before. They're their third year 656 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,239 Speaker 2: now that stat's third year in, but they still got 657 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 2: a lot of energy. They've been working behind the scenes 658 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 2: on front one and on front two, they've been working 659 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: right out in the open marketing Georgia Tech. 660 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: They've done a really good job. Carolina would do good 661 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: to follow that blueprint. 662 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: Josh Hipel at Tennessee, you want to talk about a 663 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: different hurdle or a different set of hurdles. They just 664 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 2: got to keep as much water in the glass as possible. 665 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: I've got the Trustee College Football Playoff thermos here, and 666 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 2: i want you to imagine I'm on one of those 667 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: massage chairs and the top is off of this thing 668 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: and where massage and it's like that will Ferrell meme 669 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 2: with the wine glass in hand. It's hard to keep 670 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 2: water in the jar if you're constantly shaking like you're 671 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 2: in an earthquake. 672 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: Well that's what Hypolis tasked with doing. Right now, He's 673 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: got water. 674 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 2: In the jar and everything around him is shaking, and 675 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 2: you're just trying to wait till the shaking ends. And 676 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: it's ongoing even as we speak. Let's see how much 677 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 2: water we can keep in the jar. What that literally 678 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 2: means is I can't have players continue to mass exodus 679 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: their way out of here. I've also got to keep 680 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 2: the administration on board. I've got to keep players on board. 681 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: I got to keep coaches on board. I got to 682 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 2: keep everyone dialed in so that, hopefully, and I choose 683 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: my words carefully here because I don't want to give 684 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 2: a false sense of hope. Hopefully, one day, not too 685 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 2: far down the road again, fingers crossed, we find out 686 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: what our NCAA fate is, and then we check and 687 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 2: see how much water's left and how much of a 688 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: refilled job we have on our hands. 689 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: The worst part about this right now is just no 690 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: one knows. 691 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: Like you assume something bad's coming, I assume something bad's coming. 692 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: Everyone assumes something bad's coming. The only thing is we 693 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 2: don't know when and we don't know how bad. So 694 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: therefore I don't even view josh Hipel's real job as 695 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: having even started yet. Right now is just in disaster mode. 696 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: And then once we finally get an answer from Indianapolis 697 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: sometime in the next decade, then we'll be set to 698 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 2: go to work at Tennessee, and then we'll be set 699 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 2: to define what the real hurdles are. Right now, it's 700 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: just disaster mode. And finally at Clarkly at Vanderbilt, this 701 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 2: one's unique. Vanderbilt's always got unique hurdles. I think they've 702 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: got an id the positives of Vanderbilt, and they've got 703 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: to master the evaluation and development aspects of their program. 704 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,719 Speaker 2: Now they've put a premium on that evaluation and developmental aspect, 705 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 2: and I think everyone says they do it, but Vanderbilt 706 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 2: knows that's what they got to thrive on. If you 707 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 2: were the head coach at Georgia, you would know that 708 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 2: you can go get the best talent in the country. 709 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 2: You don't have to be the absolute world's best evaluator 710 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: because you don't have to find diamonds in the rough. 711 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 2: You just find the diamonds, and the diamonds they're shiny. 712 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: You can see a diamond. If it's fifty feet away 713 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 2: on the ground, you can see a diamond. But if 714 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 2: it's buried below the ground can so. At Vanderbilt, they 715 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 2: have to do it a little bit differently, obviously, but 716 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 2: that's obvious. What do I mean by id the positives 717 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 2: of Vanderbilt. Well, what they have to do is they 718 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: have to understand what the perception of Vanderbilt is. It's 719 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 2: the fourteenth best program in the SEC, the fourteenth best 720 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 2: job in the SEC, blah blah blah, like you know, 721 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: the reputation of Vanderbilt. Well, they know all that, and 722 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 2: they know everyone feels that way. But the thing about 723 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 2: Vanderbilt is there are a lot of positives too. The 724 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 2: mass public doesn't choose to talk about them. They don't 725 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: have a vested interest in Vanderbilt. You do, and it's 726 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 2: up to you to id the positives of Vanderbilt and 727 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 2: being associated with Vanderbilt and make sure that's what you 728 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 2: market constantly. 729 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: You got to push it out there every day. And 730 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: they've started to do that. 731 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 2: I think they've got a really firm grasp based on 732 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 2: the observations I've had so far of that staff of 733 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 2: what the limitations are, what is needed, and they've gone 734 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 2: to work at it. And again you got a guy 735 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: in Clarke Lee there who is unique in that he 736 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 2: views Vanderbilt as a much much better job, much more 737 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: of a destination job than the normal guy would, because 738 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 2: he's got again an emotional attachment to Vanderbilt. That's a 739 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 2: really good thing. I mentioned Shane Beemer. He fits the 740 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 2: same description at South Carolina. So those are some of 741 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 2: the hurdles that these first year SEC head coaches are 742 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 2: looking to clear. It's going to be a tough fall, 743 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 2: gonna be an interesting fall, let me put it that 744 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 2: way for some of these guys. 745 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: And that is our show tonight. 746 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 2: I really appreciate you watching again at Late Kick Josh 747 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 2: on Instagram. We're looking to get to two thousand followers. 748 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 2: As soon as we do there, we will start the 749 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 2: ball in motion of scheduling our next Late Kickshow Owners 750 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 2: Association meeting. 751 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching. Make sure you like 752 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: the video before you leave. The YouTube channel for. 753 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 2: Director Emeritus Collins, Jesse and Crewe in Connecticut, I'm Josh, Pat. 754 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for watching. 755 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 2: Have a great rest of your night and God bless