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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The Ain't It Fun Living in

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Speaker 1: the real world? Addition, as the three and one Bengals,

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Speaker 1: currently tied for first in the AFC North, look to

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Speaker 1: add to the fun as they try to upset Aaron

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Speaker 1: Brown Stadium. Coming up, I'll talk to the host of

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Speaker 1: Football Night in America every Sunday night on NBC not

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Speaker 1: to mention the Olympics, Triple Crown horse races and well

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Speaker 1: you name it, He's done it, the great Mike Tarico.

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Speaker 1: My one on one player interview this week is with

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Speaker 1: a member of the Bengals who spent seven years playing

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Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay, Mike Daniels. Dave Lapham

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Speaker 1: joins me to discuss the latest Bengals news and share

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Speaker 1: some keys to Sunday's game. And finally, it's our no

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Speaker 1: the Faux segment, as we find out just how serious

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Speaker 1: all of the Packers injuries are as we visit with

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Speaker 1: Pete Doherty from the Green Bay Press Gazette. The Bengals

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Speaker 1: Booth Podcast is presented by Bud light Seltzer refreshed the game.

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Speaker 1: And here's a quick reminder that you can have the

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Speaker 1: or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing since my incredibly

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Speaker 1: good fortune last week. Beginning on the last Sunday in September,

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Speaker 1: but grudgingly respected Pittsburgh Steelers. Four nights later, it was

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Speaker 1: And two days after that, it was you see's huge

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Speaker 1: winted Notre Dame, ending a twenty six game home winning

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Speaker 1: son memory. To paraphrase Lou Garrig, last week I considered

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Speaker 1: myself so the luckiest man man man on the face

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Speaker 1: of the earth. Earth. Now let's get to this week's guests,

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Speaker 1: Beginning with perhaps the most versatile broadcaster in the business.

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Speaker 1: He's also my college buddy from Syracuse University, Mike Tarico. Mike,

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Speaker 1: here's my first question. When you and the crew are

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Speaker 1: Night in America and you're observing Joe Burrow, what are

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Speaker 1: you and Tony Dungee and Rodney Harrison and Drew Brees

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Speaker 1: saying about the Bengals quarterback. Well, first off, it's great

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Speaker 1: to be with one of the best. It's great to

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Speaker 1: So we watched the games, and the Bengals have, as

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Speaker 1: you all well know, been in the one o'clock Eastern

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Speaker 1: So in that mix, the Bengals game usually isn't the

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Speaker 1: What they say about Burrow is a wow, it really is.

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Speaker 1: And I think Drew Brees really kind of caught my

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Speaker 1: and we both remarked, and Tony Dungee has said this

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Speaker 1: And that's not just on the field, that's everything. And

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Speaker 1: I think the Bengals had a good one when Andy

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Speaker 1: the NFC Championship Game. They're searching for that. On the

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers will make four or five plays that the

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Speaker 1: Those are the plays that win games. Consincinnati get on

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Speaker 1: from NBC Sports. You've called a lot of Bengals games

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Speaker 1: But a Bengal centric moment has to be Monday Night

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Speaker 1: You called this Cincinnati Notre Dame game last week in

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Speaker 1: South Band. Are the Bearcats worthy of legitimate consideration for

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Speaker 1: It's it's that whole thing that I can't really describe it.

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Speaker 1: When you see it, you know it. Ritter has it

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Speaker 1: heard that? That was like high cotton right there, man,

429
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's about as higher praise as you can get.

430
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Speaker 1: And you know the original Joe Cool, you know Joe Montana.

431
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Speaker 1: I can see it. I can see it in a

432
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: lot of things. Body type, demeanor, not a Howitzer, but

433
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: extremely accurate, just intelligent, saw the whole field, diagnosed things

434
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: great pre snap, great post snap. I can I can

435
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Speaker 1: see the I can see the comparisons big time. And

436
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: when you he just threw it out there that you know,

437
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: the or the the presence kind of thing um self

438
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: confidence and exuding all of that. It's it's very interesting.

439
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: And Frank Pollock, I trust him as an evaluator of talent,

440
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Speaker 1: as an evaluator of human beings. I mean, he played

441
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Speaker 1: with them, so he knows him intimately. And now he's

442
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: been around Joe Burrow enough to get a pretty good

443
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Speaker 1: handle on him. If Frank Pollock says there are similarities there,

444
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 1: who that's stronger than new Rope because that's a that's

445
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 1: a great thing to have a guy of that caliber

446
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Speaker 1: around here for who knows how much longer, hopefully the

447
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: move a decade or more. That's the thing that was

448
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: striking to me because we're not talking about an ESPN

449
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: talk show. This isn't a hot take from Stephen A.

450
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 1: Smith or Max Kellerman or Skip Bayliss on Fox. This

451
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Speaker 1: is Frank Pollock, who isn't generally effusive with his praise,

452
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 1: talking about a guy that he spent nearly a decade

453
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Speaker 1: with as a teammate in the NFL, in the locker room,

454
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Speaker 1: in the in the meeting room, on the football field,

455
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: in the huddle, you know, everywhere, and to be able

456
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: to draw, to draw that that type of comparison, that

457
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Speaker 1: that's the name that you that you pull out of

458
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Speaker 1: your head when you're trying to find somebody to compare

459
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's demeanor. Two Extremely high praise, Extremely high praise

460
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Speaker 1: coming from, like you said, a very trustworthy source. You

461
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: know it's not it's not anybody looking for shock value,

462
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: looking for ratings, looking for whatever. Just telling it like

463
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Speaker 1: it is, you know, right from his right, from his

464
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Speaker 1: heart in his head. Let's stick with Frank Pollock. He

465
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: was asked a bunch of questions about Jackson Carmen and

466
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: had positive things to say about Jackson. In the first

467
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: two games, he started a right guard, but he saved

468
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Speaker 1: his highest praise for the guy starting at left guard,

469
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Speaker 1: Quentin Spain. For what it's worth, Pro Football Focus has

470
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: him graded higher than Kevin Zeitler so far this year.

471
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 1: Does Quentin Spain deserve more praise than he typically gets? Yeah,

472
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: he loves being under the radar. But I'll tell you

473
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Speaker 1: he is one big, strong individual. I mean he's everywhere

474
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Speaker 1: you can be, big, broad, thick, wide, I mean he

475
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: is just he's a massive man. And when you you know,

476
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: pat him on the shoulder, pat him on the back,

477
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Speaker 1: shake his hand. Everything solid as a rock. I mean

478
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Speaker 1: there's nothing loose there. You know, he's not fleshy. He

479
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: is just thick and he is. Frank Pollock described it perfectly.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's got some meat hook hands. He gets

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Speaker 1: his hands on people. He's got so much strength in

482
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Speaker 1: his hands. When he locks on boy, you're done. I mean,

483
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: you're you're grabbed, you're you're You're basically in control of

484
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: Quentin Spain at that point in time. And he doesn't

485
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Speaker 1: get bull rushed. You know, you don't see him, you know,

486
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Speaker 1: getting walked back to the quarterback immediately. He is one

487
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Speaker 1: big human being that can anchor himself. And and uh

488
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: and yet people, you know when when teammates and opponents,

489
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: even more specifically opponents, when they say, oh, I mean

490
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Speaker 1: when you hit that guy, you've been hit. And when

491
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Speaker 1: he locks on you, you can't get away. He's strong,

492
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Speaker 1: he's this he's at when when you keep getting all

493
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Speaker 1: the people with the same evaluation, it's a it's a

494
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Speaker 1: it's a real deal. At that point in time, this

495
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: guy is definitely a beast. There's no question about it. Now,

496
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Speaker 1: you know, is he the most graceful athlete in the world.

497
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, but is he athletic enough? Hell? Yeah, you know.

498
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Speaker 1: And and he's a big, strong, powerful human being. What

499
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Speaker 1: I liked about what Frank mentioned about him as well,

500
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: was in the classroom, he'll ask questions he knows the

501
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Speaker 1: answer to, but he thought maybe Frank didn't quite get

502
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Speaker 1: as deep into his explanation as he thought the younger

503
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: guys might need. So he asked a follow up question,

504
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: and he knows what the subject matter is going to be,

505
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Speaker 1: what the answer is, And Frank said, I love that

506
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Speaker 1: about him. You know, he's he's like he's helping me coach.

507
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: Basically he's a fun guy to coach. And that's that's

508
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: a big plus. So it's it's an unique room and

509
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Speaker 1: that you've got some young guys, but you've got some

510
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Speaker 1: you know, Wiley kg veteran intelligent guys like Quentin Spain,

511
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: Trey Hopkins, Riley Reef. I mean it's a it's a

512
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: good mix. It's a good blend both, you know, mentally, experienced, wise, physically,

513
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Speaker 1: all kinds of ways. You see's offensive line coach Ron

514
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: Crook coach Quintin Spain at West Virginia says, strongest human

515
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Speaker 1: being I have ever met. I think he can bench

516
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Speaker 1: push the stadium. That would be impressive. So Jenna Williams

517
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: also spoke to reporters on Wednesday. He said something that

518
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Speaker 1: made me think of you. He said, the offensive line

519
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: is like an opera or a dance where everybody has

520
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: to be in sync. And he felt that was much

521
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: better in the second half of the Jacksonville game than

522
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: it had been previously. How much progress do you see

523
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: along those lines? I see quite a bit. And you know,

524
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Speaker 1: I remember just back in the day when Jim McNally

525
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Speaker 1: was coaching us and he wanted everybody stepping with the

526
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Speaker 1: same foot, and you don't have to do that to

527
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: be a great offensive line. When you looked at end

528
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: zone tape of the Oakland Raiders, Art Shell, gene Up Shell,

529
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: they were doing stuff a lot differently. I mean, they

530
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: were just they were just big brutes to beat up.

531
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: And they weren't a whole lot of technique there. They

532
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: just mauled you. And footwork and all that wasn't you know,

533
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't synchronized. You know, like uh, you

534
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: know I said earlier, three hundred pound June tailor dances.

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00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: You know, you look, everybody stepped on the same foot initially,

536
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Speaker 1: and then the hand placed it with the left hand

537
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: in the same spot. You know, unless there are different

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00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: shades of the defensive line and all that, that will

539
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: alter some things. But when they do their a wide

540
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: zone or their stretch play, it looks like everybody's you know,

541
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: went to dance class, and they're taking the same steps

542
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: and doing the same type of things and trying to

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00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: get the same aiming point the target to widen the

544
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: defensive line. And um, so so every everybody's on the

545
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: on the same page in that regard. And uh, like

546
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,239
Speaker 1: you said, you know, my big thing is when an

547
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: offensive line is playing like a fist, you know, you

548
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: don't have to think about wrapping the four fingers and

549
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: curling the thumb around it. You just you just do it.

550
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: And and they're mastering the mundane as Frank Pollock talks

551
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: about and and Jonah talked about, you know, you don't

552
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: when the when the play is called, you don't go

553
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: to line of stagram and you have to think about

554
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: the first step. It's just they do it so much,

555
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: it just happens, you know, you just that you're just

556
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: going right to that you can you can get to

557
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: something else during the course of the play that you

558
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: might get your mind advanced to instead of having to

559
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Speaker 1: worry about that first step or making an adjustment on

560
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: that first step. So all that is is really good

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00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: um and he I remember this with with Bill Johnson,

562
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Speaker 1: with Tiger Johnson. When I first started trying to do

563
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: some of the techniques, he was teaching me that you

564
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: had to unlearn and relearn techniques. In the heat of battle,

565
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: you go back to the old technique that you did

566
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: in college and it'd be like you didn't even know

567
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: you did it. You'd watch the tape the next day

568
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: you go, oh, my gosh, I can't believe I did

569
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: that footwork. But in the heat of battle, that's what

570
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: you go back to. Until you've gone through mastering the

571
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Speaker 1: mundane and doing all the reps, you know, day after

572
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: day after day after day with the new techniques, and

573
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: then they become, you know, the thing that you automatically

574
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: go to in your in your muscle memory. So it's

575
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: it's very interesting to watch the development of that. And

576
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: as every day goes by, it's another you know, a

577
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: bunch of reps added to the mix of mastering the mundane,

578
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: and they become more and more more cohesive and more

579
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: and more like a fist, you know, instead of like

580
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, two or three fingers being wrapped or up

581
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: from four closer to five, having pretty four and then

582
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 1: pretty soon that thumb's going to wrap over the other

583
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Speaker 1: powerful fifth. Let's move to the Bengals defense. Eighth and

584
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: points allowed, eighth and yards per running play tied for fifth,

585
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: and yards per passing play tied for eighth. And sacks

586
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: with eleven. They had seventeen all of last year. I

587
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm about to ask this question. Do the

588
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: Bengals have a glaring weakness on defense? Boy? You know,

589
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: I when all hands are on deck, they're pretty darn good.

590
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: And you know, you like the fact that last week

591
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: they were down a starting corner and starting safety and

592
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: they had enough depth in the roster to, you know,

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Speaker 1: to make necessary adjustments and hang in there and win

594
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: a football game on a nationally televised broadcast of the NFL. So,

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00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think that they've got they've

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Speaker 1: addressed a lot of their last week. Excuse me. Last year,

597
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: I think there were more glaring weaknesses than there were

598
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: things that you could count on. Now it's now, it's

599
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: like everything's been addressed, everything's been taken care of. You know,

600
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: they've they've got they've got quality depth at just about

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00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: every position group. And that's that's a that's a real

602
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: tribute to the organization. Um, you know, the scouting department,

603
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: the organization for for drafting them, and now the coaches

604
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: for developing it and uh and the players for you know,

605
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: becoming cohesive and are very timely fashion. I think not

606
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: only did they get players that that can play, but

607
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: they get players that know what it's supposed to look like,

608
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: and players that came from winning cultures, winning traditions, and

609
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: players that are you know, from a personality standpoint, leaders

610
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: rather than followers. They had too many players that didn't

611
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: know what it was supposed to look like, and you know,

612
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: uh didn't know who to follow, never mind where to go.

613
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: Last year it was it was a real problem. All right,

614
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the Green Bay Pack several years ago.

615
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: The Bengals are getting ready to play a team that

616
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: had one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. I

617
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: don't remember if it was Drew Brees or Russell Wilson

618
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: or Brady or who exactly it was, but I distinctly

619
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: remember being in the locker room. Were gathered around Adam

620
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: Jones locker. Somebody asks him if this great quarterback was

621
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the NFL. And like this disgusted

622
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: look on his face happens and he goes, bro it's

623
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. It ain't even close. What is it about

624
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers of all these great guys that it seems

625
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: like people in the know, the people in the game

626
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: point to that guy as the guy. You know, you

627
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: look at all the attributes and all the boxes that

628
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow checks, Aaron Rodgers checks them, and a lot

629
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: of them are check plus. You know, it's like checks

630
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: them like at the highest level. You can check him

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00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: at I just you know, with him, his intelligence, his

632
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: raw intelligence is on question is unquestioned. I mean, he's

633
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: doing things like, you know, as he's getting a call

634
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: from his sideline, he's looking at their sideline. If they're

635
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: trying to sub lady, he's gonna quick snap and you know,

636
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: pick up a penalty. Um, little things like the hard count.

637
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: He's the he might be the best hard count by that,

638
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, um, a non rhythmic cadence where

639
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: he tries to draw the defensive lineman off side and

640
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: instead of a hut hud hut. He's good, you know,

641
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: he's and he's so good at it. And I mean

642
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: to me. It's it's repetition again, mastering the mundane. If

643
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm an offensive lineman, that's hard to hold your water

644
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: when he's doing that. And you've got a defensive lineman

645
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: who's got always waiting on his hand and he's trying to,

646
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, sprint off the football, and it's like, man,

647
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: you know you want to make sure that you get

648
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: a good jump too, but you can't. You don't want

649
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: to blow the hard count opportunity. You may get a

650
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: free five yards. I don't know how many first downs

651
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: he's generated by penalty on a third and five or

652
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: less with that hardcount stuff, or making it you know,

653
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: third and eight, a third and three, which is taking

654
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: the free shot or taking the free shot. No question,

655
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: how many touchdowns he's thrown, touchdown bombs he's thrown on

656
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: the free shot, because he knows, no matter what happens,

657
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: i've got five yards. You know, a worst case scenario,

658
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm getting a replay of the Donald. I'm picking up

659
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: five yards. So that's a good starting point. I'll take

660
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: whatever shot I can take. So he is he's masterful

661
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: with that stuff. And then his physical attributes are I've

662
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: said it before, he is a guy that Usually when

663
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: you watching most quarterbacks, they're feet and legs and arm

664
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: and everything has to follow through in a perfect rhythm

665
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: and a perfect sequence. This guy can be running towards

666
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: the sideline and be facing the sideline with his legs

667
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: and upper torso and look down the football field. I

668
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: saw him do it the first year we played up

669
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: in Green Bay, and he just he's running to the

670
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: left to the Green Bay sideline, sprinting, and he looks

671
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: and he sees the see he breaking. It's put like

672
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: thirty five forty yards down the field, out toward their

673
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: towards their bench, and he snaps his shoulders around and

674
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: squares him up and doesn't even do anything with his legs,

675
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: continues to run towards the stiglite and throws his seed

676
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: in a very tight hole. They make the catch and

677
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: tap tapping out of bounds. I was like, what did

678
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: I just see? What I just saw? I mean that

679
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody make a throw like that. I

680
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: don't care who the guy was, how strong his arm was,

681
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: the arm strength, the accuracy, all of it. And then

682
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: he can he can change the velocity and feathery touch it.

683
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: He's just so gifted. And the thing is he's not

684
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: a stiff either. He can run around back there, he

685
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: extends creates. I mean he is the goat. I mean

686
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's the goat because of the number of years

687
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: on all. But I'm talking about from a physical standpoint.

688
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: If the Good Lord said I'm creating this the specimen

689
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: here to show people how a quarterback should be able

690
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: to throw a football, oh, Aaron Rodgers would be the guy.

691
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: I thought it was amusing when I asked Zach Taylor

692
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: today during that time period where it was unclear whether

693
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: he's going to come back to Green Bay or not,

694
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: did you allow yourself to hope? And he was like, yeah,

695
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: he was honest, he was hoping that a week five,

696
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers was no longer Remember the Green Bay Packers. Yeah,

697
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: and Dan, I think the only thing I can attribute

698
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: green Bay losing thirty eight to three to New Orleans

699
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: is because of all that stuff that went on with

700
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I mean it was it was all too disheveled. Still,

701
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, there were too many uneven feelings about things,

702
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: and you know, amongst even teammates, you know, Aaron in

703
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 1: the front office. I'm not sure about the coaching stuff.

704
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about how the players all, but the

705
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: whole atmosphere was, you know, there was there was too

706
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: much poison that needed to be spit out. It too,

707
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: it was too toxic. But they got through it, and

708
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: he knew it. I mean, La Fleur obviously was disgusted.

709
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: You know, I'm disgusted, and Aaron Rodgers, I'm not gonna

710
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: throw everybody under the bus. We had a bad game.

711
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not giving up in this group. I

712
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: think he knew, based on everything that he was observing

713
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: body language and interaction between teammates and stuff, that they

714
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: weren't quite ready yet to take anybody on. But boy,

715
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: they've they've gotten there quickly, and he certainly has, having

716
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: lost since they've been averaging thirty points a game since.

717
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: So they're thirteen and three each of the last two years,

718
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: made it to the NFC Championship Game and lost each

719
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: of the last two years, once at home, once on

720
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: the road. It's not just Aaron Rodgers, obviously. What are

721
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: the other key strengths of this Green Bay team? Well,

722
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: in my mind, Dan, they have two two tremendous workhorses.

723
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: As such, Davante Adams leads the NFL and catches with

724
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: thirty one and he's fifth in yards generated. And he

725
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: is he's special. I mean, he's a he's a gifted receiver.

726
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: And the way he beats press coverage, the way he

727
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: breaks routes at the top of the route, he's just

728
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: he's a phenomenal route runner, just an extremely gifted player.

729
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: And the other guy is Aaron Jones, not only running

730
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: the football, but Aaron Jones. It goes in terms of

731
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: overall targets, the wide receiver group is first running backs

732
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: or second tight ends or third, and the running back

733
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: that gets targeted the most and is the most productive

734
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: is Jones. I mean he's second to Adams with thirteen

735
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: catches and he's got three touchdown catches. And Jones is

736
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: also rushed for two touchdowns, so he's a touchdown maker

737
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: for him. And I think that's going to be a

738
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: big factor in this football game. Is the yak and rack,

739
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, yards after catch, run after catch. If Aaron Rodgers,

740
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: if he can get Jones on a linebacker, and we've

741
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: seen Joe Burrow hit people in stride and not make

742
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: him have to work for the football, you know, stop

743
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: reach back or whatever, and they have to start up again.

744
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: Just hit him in full stride. Aaron Rodgers can do

745
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: that in spades. He hits Aaron Jones on the go

746
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: in space. I think who's going to be the best tacklers?

747
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: Which linebacker group? We have a young core of linebackers

748
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: that have upgraded that position. When they get matched up

749
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: on Aaron Jones, it's gonna be big. It's an extension

750
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: of the running game. You're getting the ball out, it's

751
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: like a long lateral to a great back in space.

752
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: And who's going to be able to tackle and make place?

753
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be a big factor in

754
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: the football game. And on the flip side too, I

755
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: think that you know, Bengals running backs can do the

756
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: same thing on linebackers. Who's gonna who's gonna win that

757
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: particular matchup Aaron Aaron Jones is He's very, very talented though.

758
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: He's about as good at it as as you can

759
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: as you can get really so I think that's going

760
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: to be a massive factor in the football game. And yeah,

761
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: who's going to make Who's going to minimize the explosive

762
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: and part And that's a big part of the explosive

763
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: because you know, a fifty yard play doesn't always have

764
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 1: to be forty eight yards in the air. It could

765
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: be a you know, seven yard checkdown, make a guy

766
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: missing off to the races for another forty So those

767
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: are those are equally explosive. I think tackling in space

768
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 1: when you get matchups that the offense feels are favorable,

769
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, a fleet, elusive running back in space on

770
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: a linebacker, how much damage will be done? I am

771
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: really excited about this game. If the Bengals can go

772
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: to go toe to toe with the Packers, even if

773
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: they don't win, I think they can show that they're

774
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: a team that can remain in the hunt until the

775
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: latter portion of the season. Yeah. And it's interesting, you

776
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: know this is these numbers don't mean anything because none

777
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: of the very few of these players were involved in

778
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: any of these. But the last three matchups here in

779
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: Cincinnati when Green Bay has come to Cincinnati has been

780
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: a multiple years between each one of them, but it's been,

781
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, a touchdown or less scenario, and Rodgers was

782
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: the quarterback the last time, and then Terence Newman something

783
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: like that. An unscripted score, a defensive score off fumble recovery.

784
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you have to have to beat

785
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers, you know, and you know, I

786
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: think turnovers are going to be massive in this football game.

787
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: You can't give Aaron Rodgers extra possessions. You have to

788
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: take possessions away from him if you possibly can, and

789
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: give more to Joe Burrow. You don't want to go

790
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: out in that game saying Joe Burrow and the Bengals

791
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: offense only had eight opportunities and Aaron Rodgers and the

792
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: Packers offense had ten. No can do And maybe it's

793
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: fourth down again, I mean the Bengals. To me, it's

794
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: it's it's equivalent if the drive that doesn't end with

795
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: the kick click. We keep talking about a drive that

796
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: doesn't end with an extra point field goal, U punt.

797
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: That's that's big. That's almost equivalent to a turnover. It is.

798
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: It's like fumbling at the line of scrimmage and the

799
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: other team recovers it. It's just like a turnover. So

800
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: the Bengals have done a pretty good job in that

801
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: area too, obviously, that was a huge factor in their

802
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: last victory. But fourth down the opponent they've had four

803
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: possessions that have ended without a kick. The opponents three

804
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: for seven on fourth down. So the Bengals don't have

805
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: a ton of takeaways. I mean, they've only taken it

806
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: away four times, but they have four additional stops of

807
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: possessions end of possessions without a kick. So in my mind,

808
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, that's closer to you're talking about eight times.

809
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: You know you've put your offense in better position and

810
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: with the momentum, I think I think it's a big factor.

811
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: Final thing, we did a show the day after the

812
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: Jacksonville game and we discussed urban Meyer's decision to go

813
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: for it on fourth and one or fourth and goal

814
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: from the one obviously didn't work late in the second

815
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: quarter of that game. You came down on the side

816
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: of bad decision by urban Meyer. I said, I still

817
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: think it was a good decision, even though the result

818
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: was bad. Here's my question. You thought it was a

819
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: bad decision. Was that urban Meyer's worst decision that weekend?

820
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: I think one might have led to the other. I

821
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: think it was Oh my gosh, I blew that. I'm

822
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: gonna have to go. I'm gonna have to go chill

823
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm gonna let my hair down and

824
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: let everything down. My yeah, I mean I can see

825
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: I can see why he did it because the defense

826
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: is pitching a shout out. You know, It's like, okay,

827
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, my defense is playing so well. You know,

828
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put them. I can

829
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: see why he went for it. But the defense is

830
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: playing so well, I'd go up by three scores, you know,

831
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. The bottom line is what he did

832
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: after that decision, the decision, after the decision, that's they

833
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: should do. ESPN should do a documentary on that decision,

834
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: not the Lebron James decision. Should do a documentary on

835
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: the urban Meyer decision that led to the decision that

836
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: led to dead man walking, that led to when is

837
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: he going to get fired? There's odds on where he's

838
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: going to have his next coaching job, odds on who's

839
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: going to be the next head coach with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

840
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: What a mess down there. And I do know that

841
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: Bengals defensive coach Mark Duffner had an opportunity. He lives

842
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, head coached in Jacksonville prior could have been

843
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: the linebacker coach at Jacksonville. Thank goodness, Mark Dufter came

844
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati. It is not part of that knifemare down there,

845
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: because that's exactly what it is right now. It is

846
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: a nightmare down there. It is a cess pool. Right now,

847
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: things appear to be trending up for the Bengals where

848
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: injuries are concerned. Three guys that miss the Jacksonville game,

849
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: Jesse Bates, Te Higgins and chitabe O Wooje all practiced

850
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, and Ricardo Allen was also cleared to practice

851
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: after missing three games with a hand injury. Joe Mixon

852
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: didn't practice after twisting his ankle versus the Jags, but

853
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: he's considered day to day and hasn't been ruled out

854
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: for Sunday. The picture is not as rosie for the

855
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: Packers who have significant injury problems. That's where we begin

856
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: our know the faux segment. But Pete Doherty from the

857
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: Green Bay Press Gazette, he joined lapping Me this week

858
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: on the Bengals Game Plan show. Yeah, there's they've been

859
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: hit really hard the last two years. They have had

860
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: great injury luck. I mean that's one of the things

861
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: that has helped them get to these two championship games.

862
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: Was and put up those thirteen and three records. Was

863
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: they were really healthy. And they did lose Box Try

864
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: right at the end of last year. And he's still

865
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: on pupie, so they don't have him, but they hit

866
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: they Darius Smith missed, you know, he's our best rusher

867
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: by fire, and he missed all but one day at camp.

868
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: He played like eighteen snaps or so in the first game,

869
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: and then the headback surgery last week. He's probably done

870
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: for the year. He's a really important player. M basically

871
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: the guy that can't afford to loses Rodgers. After that,

872
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: it's Zadarius Smith and Alexander And I just can't imagine

873
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: Alexander is going to play this week and they're still

874
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: the side and what to do when they're trying to

875
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: avoid surgery, which tells you because he's a shoulder injury,

876
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: which tells you that this isn't just going to be

877
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks thing. He's probably gonna be out

878
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: for a little while even if he doesn't have the surgery.

879
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: So um, they're gonna have to learn to play without

880
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: their two most important and win without their two most

881
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: important defensive players for a while here. Yeah, that's a

882
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: that's a significant blow offensively. I guess my first question is,

883
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: you know the effect the Aaron Rodgers effect when you

884
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: know all that went on, Willy come to camp? Will

885
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: he not? Willy? Is he going to retire? Well? And

886
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: that certainly's not going to happen. But the whole thing

887
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: is that the reason a thirty eight to three football

888
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: game against the New Orleans Saints took place. I mean,

889
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: were the guy's heads just in bad spots and Aaron Rodgers,

890
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, he basically coached. Laflor said that was embarrassing,

891
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers like, not embarrassing. We just didn't play well.

892
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: We're gonna be fine, you know, just like the R. E. L.

893
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: A X deal. And he comes out and they went

894
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: three football games, averaging over thirty points a game. Was

895
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: it the Aaron Rodgers hangover the reason for the New

896
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: Orleans debacle or what do you think the reason was?

897
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't be surprised if that were part

898
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: of it. I personally think the bigger thing was, you know,

899
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: he had a really good camp. They brought back, they

900
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: did all these contract restructures to bring everybody back, you know,

901
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: They came into this feeling like they've got as good

902
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: a shout at the Super Bowl as anybody, And I

903
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: think they went into that New Orleans game thinking they're

904
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: just going to show up and do what they do,

905
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: and you know, New Orleans is just you know, New

906
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: Orleans was playing in Jacksonville, they were training in Houston.

907
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: You know, I think they just thought they were going

908
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: to walk all over those guys and they ran into

909
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: a really really good coach and just got crushed. And

910
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: I think that was a real eye opener for him

911
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: that they can't just show up and win games. So

912
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: I think that was the bigger factor. But I don't

913
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: doubt that some of the Rodgers stuff. Who knows what

914
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: effects that has guys on guy's mentality. Like I said,

915
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: Rogers looked really good in camp. I mean, he played

916
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: well as well in this camp as he's had in

917
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: any camp. Not same with his best, but it was

918
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: as good as any So, you know, I think the

919
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: biggest part of it was they just got really really

920
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: full of themselves. And they still haven't played great, but

921
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: they've improved each week and they're winning without Zadarius Smith

922
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: and now they have a real tough test against them

923
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: against you know, a Cincinnati team with a good young

924
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: quarterback that's put up a lot of points and yards

925
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: early in the season. Pete Doherty is our guest from

926
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Press Gazette. I feel like I've got

927
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: a pretty good grasp, Pete on the strengths of the

928
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. Obviously Aaron Rodgers first and foremost, but

929
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: Davante Adams and Aaron Jones, etc. What do you consider

930
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: to be their biggest question mark right now? Well, there's

931
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: a couple of them. Even you know, before all the injuries.

932
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: Their d line is not real talented. Kenny Clark is

933
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: a very good player, but after him, they just don't

934
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: have a lot of talent there. So I think that

935
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: could be that was an issue early and they played

936
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: really well against the forty nine ers and not bad

937
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: last week. But I still think it's going to be

938
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: an issue as the season goes on and they may

939
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: need to go get help there. Their linebacker inside linebacker

940
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: position to Andre Campbell's pretty good, but after that, if

941
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: they go with two of the two inside guys like

942
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 1: in their nickel, it's not so hot. And then Alexander

943
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: injury is just devastating for their defense because he's a

944
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: really good corner and you know, those guys are just

945
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: like it, just as important as pass rushers. And behind him,

946
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: you know, they're not so great either. Their first round pick,

947
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: Eric Stokes has really improved a lot and since the

948
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: started camp, and he's their next best corner. And then

949
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: there there's just not a ton of ability after that either.

950
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: So there's the domino effect of a losing Alexander is

951
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,959
Speaker 1: big two. So they they've got a lot of weak,

952
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: weakish points on their on defense. What about the offensive line, Pete,

953
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: You've got a couple of rookies, you know at center

954
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: and right guard. Billy Turner, I think is you know,

955
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: I mean, the Miami Dolphins waived him, but he's he's

956
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: a battler and he's he's had a very good NFL

957
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: career in terms of years service. Jenkins with the ankle injury,

958
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: how about Jenkins? Will he be able to go? And

959
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: looking at initially looking at some tape, I thought Runyon

960
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: looked like maybe he was playing at the best level.

961
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I didn't see enough tape. But

962
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: what's the offensive line looking like? So Jenkins, he's missed

963
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: the last two games with the ankle, and he did

964
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: not practice today. He's a vet, so they'll give him

965
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: all week, but the smart money says he won't play

966
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: again this week either. Um, they're young line. They got

967
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: a rookiet center, Josh Meyers. They got a rookie at guard,

968
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: right guard, Roy s Newman. Both of those guys have

969
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: been fine. Their line has played fine. It's it's not

970
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: an issue at all. I'm sure those guys are making

971
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: mistakes as rookies that they won't make two years from now,

972
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: but they both have ability and they're both doing just fine.

973
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: So their their line has been okay. It hasn't been

974
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: a big issue. It'll get better when Bak comes back

975
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: and Jenkins can move to left guard. And you know,

976
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: if if Jenkins doesn't play, Yosh Niman will be their

977
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: left tackle. And I'm sure you've never heard of them,

978
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: and he's They got to help him some, but he's

979
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: done okay the last two weeks. In Turner, you know,

980
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: they paid him a lot of money. He's averaging seven

981
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: million bucks a year. They signed him as a free

982
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: agent a couple of years ago, and they hible were

983
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: paid to get him. But you know, he's he's improved

984
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: even in his time here, and he played a good game.

985
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: You know, he basically you know, Watt had two sacks,

986
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: but they were both garbage sacks. One was where he

987
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: tripped Rogers with his foot and the other one where

988
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 1: Rodgers ran around and slid and Watt was the nearest guy,

989
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: so he got he got the sack. But but you know,

990
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: Turner went against him almost the entire game and did

991
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: a really nice job against him. So their lines fine,

992
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: it's probably not quite as good as last year, but

993
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: maybe by the end of the year will be. They

994
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: got ability there, and it's fine. Um, it's you know,

995
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: it's not the reason for any struggles they're having. That's

996
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: not the reason. A couple more questions for Pete Doherty

997
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: from the Green Bay Press Gazette. I'm amazed by Davante Adams.

998
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: He's not that big, he's six one, not that fast

999
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: rant of four or five six at the combine. But

1000
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 1: he might be the best wide receiver in the NFL.

1001
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: Why is he so incredibly good? Yeah, and all that

1002
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: stuff is true and made you wonder, But he's guess,

1003
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: got ridiculous body control. He's really strong, he's really good

1004
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: at His cuts are so sharp and he can stop

1005
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: and cut just on a dime, like like nobody else

1006
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: in the league maybe except for the really small guys.

1007
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: So he's got a little bit of size and he

1008
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: plays like a little guy that way. He can sky,

1009
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: he can jump, and he's um. He wants to be great,

1010
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: and he's really dedicated to his craft and his chemistry

1011
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: with with Rogers has is just you know, there was

1012
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,479
Speaker 1: a couple of throws the other day last week against

1013
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: the Steelers where it was just like, you know, they're

1014
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: back shoulder throws and it's like there's no defending that.

1015
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: You know, I don't care who's out there on him.

1016
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: So that the timing playing with a great quarterback helps too.

1017
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: But he's just he's just got a great mix of

1018
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 1: talent and want to and intelligence and all that stuff.

1019
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor and Matt Lafleur were on the same coaching staff.

1020
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor was effusive in his praise of Matt Lafleur.

1021
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: Has Matt Lafleur had any comments about Zach Taylor during

1022
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: the course of the week at this stage, you know,

1023
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that he was asked about him on Monday,

1024
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: and I did not see today's press conference, so I'm

1025
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: not sure if he was asked, but they do go

1026
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: back and I know there it sounds like I know

1027
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: I saw a quote from him somewhere, so that must

1028
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: have been today where you know he's still he considers

1029
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: Taylor a very good friend of his, and a lot

1030
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: of that in this league right now with Nick Bay

1031
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: and Shanahan and him and the guy down at White

1032
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: down in Tennessee. So we're not Tennessee Atlanta, so there's

1033
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: a lot of guys off of that, you know, all

1034
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: that staffs that work together and they're all running the

1035
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: same system and it's spreading like wildfire that the league

1036
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: seems like every week they're playing somebody that La Floor

1037
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 1: used to coach with. Thanks to Pete Doherty. And here's

1038
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: a quick reminder to tune into the Bengals pep Rally

1039
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Speaker 1: Show this Friday from three to six on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1040
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1041
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1042
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1047
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