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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. We were talking in the first hour with

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Speaker 1: my guests Bryson Ross about pushback, and I can tell

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Speaker 1: you that that is real. But it also it works

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Speaker 1: both ways. There is pushback I think within the Pentagon

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Speaker 1: by some who want to diminish public interest, congressional interest,

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Speaker 1: media interest. Oh, we can explain those cases. You just

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Speaker 1: got to give us enough time, you know. But I

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Speaker 1: can tell you that there's pushback two as inquiries are

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Speaker 1: made about crash retrievals, meta materials, craft bodies, things of

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Speaker 1: that sort that I want to touch on in this hour.

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Speaker 1: I think there's probably significant opposition to any of that

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Speaker 1: stuff seeing the light of day, ever, But I can

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Speaker 1: also tell you with a degree of certainty that there

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Speaker 1: is pushback from some of the professionals inside the Pentagon

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Speaker 1: who were part of the earlier investigations ASAP A tip

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Speaker 1: the UAP Task Force. They don't want their work to

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Speaker 1: be diminished. They don't want someone to come along and

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Speaker 1: with a wave of a hand say these cases July

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen off the West, those are just Chinese drones,

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Speaker 1: and they are pushed back to that when they heard

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Speaker 1: that that is what was underway, they pushed back and

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Speaker 1: defended their work in some pretty heated closed door briefings.

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Speaker 1: That's my understanding, right, I wouldn't get your take on

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Speaker 1: where things might go, what you expect from this next

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Speaker 1: UAP report, and whether you are pessimistic or optimistic in general.

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Speaker 1: I'm very pessimistic, to be honest, George, and I try

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Speaker 1: not to be. My natural disposition is to be optimistic.

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Speaker 1: But I'm hearing. I mean, the thing that worries me is,

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Speaker 1: like you, I'm talking to people who are thinking about

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Speaker 1: coming forward as whistleblowers, and the message that they've got

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Speaker 1: from the Congress is that key sections of the NDAA,

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Speaker 1: the National Defense Authorization Act reforms about the UAP issue

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Speaker 1: have been watered downe before they were approved by the Congress,

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Speaker 1: notably the fact that there was going to be independent

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Speaker 1: oversight by the Inspector General, were going to have a

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Speaker 1: were being fairly treated by the arrow the UAP Task Force.

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Speaker 1: And also they've removed the civil right of litigation against reprisals.

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Speaker 1: So any way, anybody who was a whistleblower who suffered

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Speaker 1: reprisals for speaking out would have had a civil right

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Speaker 1: to fight back against that reprisal. That that's been removed,

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Speaker 1: and so I do worry that there's been an attempt

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Speaker 1: down these proposals. And my concern is to make sure

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Speaker 1: that people feel free to come forward. And I had

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Speaker 1: a conversation recently with somebody who who told me of

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Speaker 1: a shocking incident. It's an allegation that they saw a

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Speaker 1: and there direct witness to that incident. They want to

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Speaker 1: Congress what they saw. Now, what do they do At

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Speaker 1: the moment, we're waiting for the President to ratify the legislation,

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Speaker 1: the NDAA laws, which will basically give them some degree

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Speaker 1: of protection. But are they hearing acclamation from the Congress

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Speaker 1: that this is a primary issue that they're concerned about. No,

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Speaker 1: they're not. I don't think there's been any spokesperson from

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Speaker 1: the Congress, any congress person speaking since the May fifteenth hearings.

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Speaker 1: We've had our token public hearing and it's gone away,

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Speaker 1: The big question in the minds of the people who

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Speaker 1: other issue, which is, even if information is displosed to

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Speaker 1: And I don't think we're going to be told, not

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Speaker 1: if there are retrieved craft, which is not an impossible possibility,

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Speaker 1: Times itself. If there are retrieved non human technologies that

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Speaker 1: I'll do this very fast, George, but I just think

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Speaker 1: we have multiple sensors that have been picking up these things.

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Speaker 1: and that could involve some type of activity that some

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Speaker 1: case in which a friend of mine was able to

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Speaker 1: I think they knew. If you listen to their quotes,

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Speaker 1: it seems unlikely, but they certainly know that something is

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. I've been having conversations on exactly this issue.

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Speaker 1: I've heard different stories. One is that he wasn't briefed

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Speaker 1: all boils down to who you are. I mean, there

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Speaker 1: It's been very carefully kept and let me devil's advocate

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Speaker 1: That's my prediction for twenty twenty three. My hope is

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Speaker 1: big secret after where it just doesn't make sense to me.

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Speaker 1: Why why would any rational national security policy see, let's

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Speaker 1: good question, Bryce, But I'm told that's the situation, and

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Speaker 1: of the people, for the people, by the people. I

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Speaker 1: It's yours. And sadly, what I think has happened is

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