1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Always. Today I got a real treat a man who 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: can teach you plenty. Today you're gonna meet the garage mechanics. 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Garage mechanic, he's the most famous graduate of his school. 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: His name is Ronian. So I've got one for Tesla. Now, 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: Tesla told the electric stupid little accessories. Tesla just meets that, 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: that meets the criteria. Were like him, the car doctor. 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: If you lift the hood and it looks like you know, 8 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: barnyard Bob's that every critter in the world is living 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: under the hood and they're making nests everywhere. Well, you know, 10 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: now we've got something else to think about. The first 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: thing is a guy comes in, no matter what's wrong 12 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: with his car, you look him straight beyond say you 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: ain't using this car tonight, Welcome to the radio home 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: of ron and Nian the Car Doctor, since this is 15 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: where car owners the world of return to for their 16 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. 18 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: take your calls at eight five five five six, and 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: now just down, just down. Finish sational weeks in the 21 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: garage in newk Okay. He's beautiful running. Hey, it's time 22 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: to start your engines along and welcome Roninny in. The 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: car Doctor here at eight five five five six zero 24 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: nine nine zero zero Again eight five five five six 25 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero, here to think your calls 26 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: and answer your questions. The Car Doctors seven phone number 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: always working for you, just like the car doctor out 28 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: there trying to uh, you know, stay on top of 29 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: the car problems that bring it here to you on 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: radio at eight five five five six zero nine nine 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: zero zero. Give us a call and let's talk about it. 32 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: Whatever you've got going on. Fender defender and door to door. UM, 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: busy week at the shop, A lot of things to 34 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: talk about. We're trying to By the way, UM, I've 35 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: got a couple of copies of Stephen Cooks of Cook's 36 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: book O B D Two Diagnostics. UM, a real good read. 37 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: I've been going through it this week. Some some great 38 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: stuff in there, really and truly. You can also find 39 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: it out on Amazon. Steve's got it set up on Amazon. 40 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: You go out to uh Steve Cook. I think we 41 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: posted that up out on Facebook last week, but just 42 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: for everyone else, if you're not a Facebook or and 43 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: I understand why if you're not um Steve Cook O 44 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: b D two diagnostics, you'll uh, you know, we'll talk 45 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: about that a little later on the Sarah see if 46 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: I can get maybe a link or something somewhere else. 47 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: So if you're looking for a b D two information, 48 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: because that seems to be the big topic, that's what 49 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: everybody's looking for under the same venue, get out to 50 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: All data dot com. Get out to All data dot com. 51 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: Scroll down to the blog section if you go off 52 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: the front page, and I kinda think of a simple 53 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: way to maybe post that to make it easy. But 54 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: a really great story article written by David bury Bree 55 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: or broad v r y Bree. You like the cheese. 56 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: I'll have to talk to David. I know David personally, 57 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: and uh, I'll ask him which way that that gets pronounced. 58 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: But going to school on mode six. You hear me 59 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: talk about using mode six and O b D two 60 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: all the time, and David over it All Data. They 61 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: just wrote a really great article about it, talking about it, 62 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: breaking it down. You know there's mode one, two, three, 63 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: four or five six and talking about what the different 64 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: modes are of O b D two UH to make 65 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: it easier, and obviously seven, eight and nine there's also them, 66 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: but um, just a real good read at seven pages 67 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: if you print it out, I can't tell you. Just 68 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: making sense of the of of what it is and 69 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: making it so simple. I want to talk about programming, 70 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: not not this radio show, but just programming. I had to, 71 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, I love programming of cards. It's the challenge 72 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: is just it's like sometimes it's like snowflakes. There's just 73 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: no two programming events that are like. Programming is a 74 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: process we have to go through. When you bring your 75 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: car to the mechanic and a computer has to get 76 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: replaced or perhaps there's updated software. So think of it 77 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: in terms of this. You went out to the store 78 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: and you brought a brand new PC, you brought hardware. 79 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 1: You brought a big box metal case and it's got 80 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: Windows seven on it, and now you want to upgrade 81 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: it to Windows ten. That's programming. That's a software update. 82 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: We do the same thing with cars now. Sometimes we 83 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: install new hard drives, so we have to install basic 84 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: programming and then provide the updates from there. That's also 85 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: applicable to cars, because that's not just a reflesh. That's 86 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: a program and flash, so you're adding all the software 87 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: back into the vehicle for that particular controller. Two thousand seven, 88 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: Chevy Tahoe ended up on my doorstep yesterday with an 89 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: air bag fault code. It came in from another shop. 90 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: They asked me to flash the air bag controller and 91 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: or the SDM Sensing Diagnostic Module as GM refers to it, 92 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: which is kind of neat. Right, you're looking for air 93 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: bag controller on the list air bag airbag, Okay, it's 94 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: not there. Maybe it's supplemental restraint, supplemental restraints, supplemental restraint, 95 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: just not there. Let's see what is it called. I 96 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: think it's called SDM, but I am I sure, well, 97 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: let's see eliminate the other twenty eight possibilities. Yep, there's 98 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: only one there that would apply to air bag that 99 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: I can say. It's got to be SDM, and sure 100 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: enough it was. And air bag stuff, I have to admit, 101 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: makes me a little nervous. There's a legality to air 102 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: bag you have to follow. I mean, you have to 103 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: follow the rules anyway, but you've really got to be right, 104 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: all right, there's no there's no second guessing this, And 105 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: you want to make sure the right software getting gets installed. 106 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: You want to go through a check some check on 107 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: some of it. You want to make sure that it's 108 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: going to operate properly, obviously no codes and so forth. 109 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: So the other shop installed the STM or the air 110 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: bag controller goes underneath the console. It's so simple to 111 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: get to and they left it to me to to 112 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: flash it or program. The problem is that if you 113 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: don't have software in the tool or in the in 114 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: the car, you you may not be able to program 115 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: it because you need to scant. Well here, I'll tell 116 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: you the story this way. So I logged into TISTS, 117 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,239 Speaker 1: which is GMS online software that you subscribe to, and 118 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: you you bring up the vehicle by vin your your 119 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: your interface device. In this case it was a tech 120 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: to UM is talking to the car and it's saying, yup, 121 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: here's the car, and we need to install software in 122 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: the airbag controller. But I need the part number off 123 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: the airbag controller or well, I found out later on 124 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: because I have to tell it where I'm at, so 125 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: it knows what software calibration to put in. You go 126 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: a couple of screens in and you're clicking away and yup, 127 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: I need this, and I need this, and I need this. 128 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: And then the question read enter the eight digit part 129 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: number as read by the scan tool, And I'm saying, 130 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: how can I read the part number off the module 131 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: if I don't have software in the car to communicate 132 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: with it. So they must mean the old part And 133 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: I've had that before. I've had that plenty of times before. 134 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: GM wants to know what the part number of the 135 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: old module was so that they can figure out where 136 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: they're going with the new module. Well, you've got this 137 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: because the number wasn't the same. It was fifteen nine 138 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: oh five and it was going to number I think 139 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: it was, so it's it's definitely an updated change number. 140 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: So I found it the fift nine. Oh okay, good, 141 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: And I put that number in and click and I 142 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: a couple of more screens and we're doing the update 143 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: and I got an error code sixty one internal error 144 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: programming message, please reset. If any additional problems, please contact 145 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: GM tech line. They understand I got this car from 146 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: another shop. I don't know. I'm just handed a car 147 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: and told here programmed this, and I don't argue. Hey, 148 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: you know, listen, you want to diagnose that, you tell 149 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: me to do that. I'll do it. I you know, 150 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's gonna fix it. I at that point, 151 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm just it's just like an electronic oil change. To me, 152 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: I don't care. It's we're just, you know, we're making money. 153 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: That's what the shops there for. So happened again, one 154 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't program, wouldn't take the program I expected. Programming error occurred, 155 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: mm hmm. Sat down and looked at it, looked at 156 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: the procedure, rebooted the tech two, rebooted the car, rebooted 157 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: the flashing computer, re entered myself back into the software, 158 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: went through it three times, and I kept coming back 159 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: to that the number on the scancel and I tried 160 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: my scant the the tech to my situation. The vehicle 161 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: would not interface and talk to that airbag control. And 162 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying, how could it. There's no there's there's no 163 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: software there. It can't do that, which would make sense. 164 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: So I had the shop bring me over the part 165 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: number of the part that I was working on, and 166 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: I found that down on the list, which is all 167 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: the way down at the very bottom, and I said, 168 00:08:55,320 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: let me try that plug that in. Damn. Like at 169 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: the car worked, program software uploaded, so we're halfway there. 170 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: At the end of every programming event, there's always instructions 171 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: you have to do this. You have to you know, 172 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: turn the key on, turn the key off, rub your head, 173 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: spit out with nickels, you know, the whole. There's always 174 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: something particular. It's never just oh, turn the key off, 175 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: walk away and have a couple of coffee. Never says nothing. 176 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: So in this case, it said, you have to introduce 177 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: the STM, the Service Diagnostic Module to the body computer, 178 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: the b CM. So the SDM has to talk to 179 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: the b CM. Okay, that makes sense. So it said 180 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: go into BCM and click on SDM key update only 181 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: while the airbag light is flashing. You know. This is 182 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: like yeah, I mean, just you're you're tired after all 183 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: this because you're just reading and you're looking, because you 184 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: only get one shot at doing all of this. If 185 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: you make a mistake, you buy a module. So I 186 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: go into BCM, I cycle the kid. The airbag light 187 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: starts flashing. Sure enough, I go into b c M, 188 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: I go into SDM key update to BCM um key 189 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: update not needed. Both calibrations found and same no introduction. 190 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: Oh how Could that be because I just I just 191 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: put a new as to the level that I understand it, 192 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm I'm putting I just put a new airbag module 193 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: in it. How can it recognize the airbag module that's 194 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: there if it's just got to be introduced. It just 195 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. Did that twice? That didn't work? Okay, 196 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: So now I've come to the conclusion that the guy 197 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: that wrote the software about the eight digit part number 198 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: had a relative handling the warrant the end of the 199 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: screen instructions, and neither guy really knew what was going 200 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: on because the procedures are so far has just been 201 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: a mess. It just doesn't make any sense. So I said, 202 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: I wonder if the SDM. I wonder if the service 203 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: Diagnostic module has a key, you know, or a method 204 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: by which it can be introduced to the body computer bingo. 205 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: Sure enough, all the way down on the subscreen two 206 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: levels down inside the scan tool, there's an SDM key 207 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: update to BCM function. Okay, I did that, went over 208 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: to the BCM and then I performed the BCM function 209 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: and then it told me that the key needed to 210 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: be updated, and it accepted it done. The point is 211 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: that programming is never a dull moment. There's there's always 212 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: something different about to happen, and there's always a different procedure. 213 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: I've got very few and these are older, simpler cars. 214 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: Is a two thousand seven, it's twelve years old, twelve 215 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: model years old. Think about flashing a newer vehicle and 216 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: different speed and broad rate and all the onboard computers. 217 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: Someone told me at the end of the day yesterday 218 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: we were talking about the headache that car wasn't uh. 219 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: He was a GM guy, and he said, you know, 220 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: he said, remember, GM says that they want you to 221 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: flash their cars with the scan tool that they design 222 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: that car around, meaning in my case at Tech two. Now, 223 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: GM has a um an MDS, which is their latest 224 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: to do the newer cars, faster board rate, controlled area 225 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: network diagnostics and so forth. And I said to Kevin, 226 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: I said, what's gonna happen The day comes when there's 227 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: no more Tech twos around and everybody needs that to 228 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: do the flash because the MDS won't do it. And 229 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: he said, well, that's you know, that's gonna be the 230 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: point of electronic obsolescence. So that's the other thing I 231 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: learned yesterday about programming that Uh, it's never a dull moment. 232 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: There's an electronic obsolescence coming because you're not gonna have 233 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: the electronic tools to work on these cars. And by 234 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: then it won't matter because we'll be either walking or 235 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: driving electric cars. Actually, we'll either be walking or pushing 236 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: electric cars, one or the other. Either way, it's gonna work. Hey, 237 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: five five five zero nine nine zero zero. Come on back. 238 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: We'll talk about programming and anything else you want. I'm 239 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: mononading the Car Doctor. I'll be waiting for you. That's right. 240 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: If you call and we're not live, you can leave 241 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: a message and we'll call you back to get you 242 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: on the air with Ron eight five five zero zero zero. 243 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: Speaking of Ron, there he is. Hey, welcome back. Let's 244 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: get over and talk to David and Virginia two thousand 245 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: Dodge and some fuel economy issues. David, Welcome to the 246 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. Sir. How can I help? Thank you. It's 247 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: a pleasure speaking to you, and I'll tell you you've 248 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: got one of the best programs for knowledge that's on 249 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: their anywhere in America. Thank you, sir. Proud to be here. Um, 250 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 1: I have a two thousand four heavy duty Dodge extended 251 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: cab automatic transformation has right at a hundred and four 252 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: thousand miles on it, and uh try to keep it 253 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: in top nous condition. And as far as I know, 254 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: I do change oil greasers ever three to four thousand miles. Baby, 255 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: change the um anti freeze plush, the radiator you name it, transformation, 256 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: fluid and everything, even the rear end. I've changed it 257 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: once and uh the fluid and I put new spark 258 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: plugs in. It takes sixteen spark plugs for that. Isn't 259 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: that a thrill? That? That beats? That beats the morning workout? 260 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: If you go to the gym, you don't need to 261 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: do that after that because you're exhausted for the day. Uh, 262 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: you know it's it's it's a lot of spark plugs. Brother, 263 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: I know it ought to be like a jet engine. 264 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: And I'll drive you clean to the moon. The thing though, 265 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: it is. As soon as I put all new wards 266 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: and boots, everything on, tuned up, used the diagnostic computer, 267 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: everything checks fine. The gas might always drive from around 268 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: fifteen seventeen miles to gallon just seven. How you drive it, 269 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: nobody can have has an answer to what to do? 270 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: They said, I think you're trying to convince your wife 271 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: to get you to trade vehicles. Well, the thing looks 272 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: like brand new. Yeah, we don't, no nothing. I don't 273 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: know who's wrong with it. Neither do. These people are 274 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: supposed to be top notch, so yeah, no, I get it. 275 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: I get it. Um. There's two different spark plugs per cylinder, 276 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: correct if I remember this right, There's two different heat ranges, 277 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: two different part numbers. There's an intake plug and there's 278 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: a there there's I can't remember if it's it's an 279 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: intake plug an exhaust plug, or there's there's I recall. 280 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: There's something different about the plugs. It's not like all 281 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: sixteen the same part number. I think there's eight of 282 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: one number and eight of another. Does that ring a bell? 283 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: I think you're right right, and they've got to be 284 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: in the right spot, So you've got to be sure 285 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: that they were installed properly. That's the first though, because 286 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: I have seen that as a mistake. They're physically the same, 287 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: but they are a different heat range. There's something different 288 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: about the plugs. I forget whether it's there's an intake 289 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: side and exhaust side or just a post fire and 290 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: a pre fire. There's I forget Chrysler's exact terminology, but 291 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: there is a difference. So we've got to be sure 292 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: the plugs are in the right spot, obviously, because they've 293 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: they've got to be installed as designed. All right. Wires 294 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: are wires. You can't really you can't really get that wrong. 295 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: It would it would be showing a misfire. It would 296 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: be showing a stutter. No check engine light on, right, David, Yes, sir, check. 297 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: Well that came out one time. I forget what it was, 298 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: something man, all right, but then it come on before 299 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: or after you changed before you so, and it's not 300 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: on now, correct, all right, So let's check the plugs, 301 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: verify location and verified part number. That's number one, number two. 302 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: This one's a little harder, all right. The mechanic needs 303 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: to look at with a scan tool, you know, the 304 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: computer interface plugging into the dashboard. All right, If if 305 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: if the four dealers, if if zero is a good 306 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: fuel mixture. All right, you're in Virginia, right. You've built 307 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: a few fires in your lifetime, I'm sure in the fireplace. Yeah, 308 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: you ever get right, you ever you ever get a 309 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: real good fire going with real dry wood, and it 310 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: burns real bright, and it's it gives off a lot 311 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: of heat, and it's just a real highly oxygen eated fire. 312 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: You can tell there's just a lot of good combustion 313 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: combustion going on. See that's a that's that's that's that's 314 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: that's good combustion to a little bit lean, all right, 315 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: like a little too much oxygen, all right. And the 316 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: wood burns through so fast. You're you're constantly adding woodwood, wood, 317 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: And then you get those fires with wetwood where the 318 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: wood is kind of damp and it just doesn't fire 319 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: right and it's kind of smoldering and it doesn't put 320 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: off enough heat, and it's it's it's incomplete combustion, and 321 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: it's like a little rich. Well, we want to look 322 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: with a scan to it. We want to see where's 323 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: fuel trim. Have them look at fuel trim. It's fuel 324 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: trim zero plus or minus five short and long term. 325 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: Just remember those words zero plus or minus five short 326 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: and long term. Call me back and tell me where 327 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: they are. And then don't forget, by the way, just 328 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: for the heck of it, it's going to check the brakes, 329 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: make sure the brakes aren't dragging, make sure there's no 330 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: rolling restrictions. Do that for me, David, call me back, 331 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: we'll talk some more. I'm running any of the Car 332 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: Doctor or coming back right after this. Don't go away? Wow, 333 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: I get the top again. Well, I'll tell you what 334 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: that was like giving birth. I wasn't sure. I'm waiting 335 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: for the finger to come down and Mike to go. 336 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: Now you get to talk. Okay, good Tom and Tom 337 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: and Mike have had a big conference in the in 338 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: the in the control room, and now we decided we 339 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: can continue with the show. Thank god. You know that 340 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: was longer than the government shutdown for crying out. Let's 341 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: go and talk to Chip in Wisconsin. Er see what's 342 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: going on here? Chip? Welcome to the Car Doctor. I'm 343 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,479 Speaker 1: allowed to speak again. What's going on? Brother? How can 344 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: I help? Is this it could be? Yes? You've reached God, 345 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: my son. How may I give you a dispensation? Uh? First, 346 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: I'd like to thank you for taking your time on 347 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: a Saturday to help the mechanics. Listen, brother, that's what 348 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm here for. You know what. I'll tell you a 349 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: quick story. I was having breakfast with the wife this morning. 350 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: We were at the del and we were talking about 351 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: the week and I said, um, I said, you know, 352 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: I told her the story. I had a young girl 353 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: come to the shop yesterday flat tire. And I told Susie, 354 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: I said, I'm amazed at how much look you called 355 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: me and I'm telling you the story, right, Um, I'm 356 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: amazed at how much people don't know about cars. It 357 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: just blows my mind, you know, like I don't get it. 358 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: Like I look at a car, it just makes sense 359 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: to me. And she said, yeah, but you look at 360 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: a piano and you don't even know what it is. 361 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: And I said, well that's true. I said, you know, 362 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: God gave me the ability to do certain things, and 363 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: one of them, I guess is to fix cars. So 364 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: this young girl, Kim, she comes to the shop. She 365 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: she says, I think I have a flat? Can you 366 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: fix it? Now? I look at the I think I 367 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: have a flat? Can you fix a tire? And there's 368 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: a chunk missing about four inches square because she hit 369 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: the curb going around the corner and just tore the 370 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: tire apart. She couldn't comprehend how that needed a tire. 371 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: And you know, and then and then what do I 372 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: do now? And you look at the utter helplessness of 373 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: people and you feel so bad. And you know what, 374 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: That's why I'm here on a Saturday, because I'm just 375 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: trying to help you guys sort it out. Because I 376 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: but if I ever need to have a piano tune, 377 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to call somebody else because I couldn't 378 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: do it um And and that's my point. You know, 379 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: It's like, I'm happy to be here for you guys, 380 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: I really am. What do you got with this Saturn show? Uh? 381 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: Five speed one point nine leader single overhead cams. We 382 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: recently bought it. We recently bought it, took it for 383 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: a test driver, ran great on the highway that it 384 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: idled good. Now it doesn't want to idle very good. 385 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: And it has a hesitation like it doesn't matter if 386 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: you're in first gear or you're you're in fifth gear. 387 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: It's like somebody turns the key on and off it 388 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: jerks that hard. So what I've replaced so far as 389 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: the great position sensor, the cam position sensor, the plugs, 390 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: plug wires, coil packs, e g R A veil, air 391 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: idle control veils. I did take a test of the 392 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: fuel pressure. And what's weird is when I first turned 393 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: the key on, I had no fuel pressure. I started 394 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: the car, it went up to twenty eight pounds. When 395 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: I shut the car off, it bleeds down immediately. That's bad. 396 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: I believe that to be wrong. I've never seen I've 397 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: never seen something. I've never seen a fuel injective vehicle 398 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: that doesn't hold residual pressure. All right, so I fuel 399 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: pressure regulator or do you think it's the actual fuel pump. Well, 400 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: we'd have to look and see. I'm trying to remember 401 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: ninety three that was more than yesterday. I'd have to 402 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: look and see how this. Yeah, that's what that's what 403 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: I'm kind of remembering. Um, I would have to look 404 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: and see where if it's if you were too that 405 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: that should have a fuel inlet and a fuel return line. Correct, correct, Okay, 406 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: so if you take off the return line, plug it 407 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: and then cycle the cycle to pump, let the pump 408 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: turn on and turn it off, it should hold pressure. 409 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: In theory, if it's as long as the pumps, not bad. 410 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: If it's if it's still if it still bleeds down, 411 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: then the pumps beds. There's a there's it just should 412 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: be a because that should that should hold residual pressure 413 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: if I'm trying to remember this now. But yeah, I 414 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: don't see any reason why not. Um, that'd be the 415 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: first that'd be the first thing I look into. But 416 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense that it's. Um, that doesn't make 417 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: sense that it's it's dying intermittently like someone turned the 418 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: key off. Usually a fuel pump will cause it, you know, 419 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: like you're running out of gas sensation. And that's not 420 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: what you're describing to me. So and there's no rule 421 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: that says you can have more than one problem in 422 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: the car. All right, UM, let me ask you this question. 423 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: All those parts you replace, do you still have the 424 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: old ones? No? Rookie move, bad move? Um? You never 425 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: you never want to. You never want to throw out 426 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: parts until the car is gone. All right. Think of it. 427 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: Think of it from a repair shop point of view. 428 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: I never throw parts out until the customer comes, pace, 429 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: picks up the car, sees everything, and then we throw 430 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: it out. Sometimes we keep it an extra day or 431 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: two just for the heck of it. But you never 432 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: want to throw parts out because what are you gonna do? 433 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: And here's here's the reason why. What are you gonna 434 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: do when you find out that the new cranks into 435 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: you you got is bad. And the reason it's bad 436 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: is because it's the wrong one, because you need a 437 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: part number of the original one to match it up. 438 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: Because there was a variation in choice of production date 439 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: based on the Julian date code to the part you 440 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: took out, it could happen. I'm not saying that it's 441 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: in your case. But you know, you never throw parts 442 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: out until the job is done, all right. Once the 443 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: job is done, then you have to throw them out. 444 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: You can't, you can't. You can't collect parts, all right. Um, 445 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: I would think about fuel pump. I would think about, uh, 446 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: we do we have any kind of a lap scope here, 447 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: any kind of a scoping ability chip? We just I 448 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: just have the one, all right? Do you have do 449 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: you have a voltmeter? Okay? Do you know how to 450 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 1: use the voltmeter? And' I don't say that derogatory, I'm 451 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: saying that serious. Do you have a do you know 452 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: how to use it? In the sense if I told 453 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: you to go do a voltage drop test? Could you 454 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: voltage drop a couple of things? All right? So why 455 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: don't we voltage drop the ground side, you know, go 456 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: from the negative battery post to the block. The meter 457 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: should be zero or whatever minimum spec is. UM, let's 458 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: do it on the positive side. Let's let's voltage drop 459 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: the positive and negative side from the battery to oh, 460 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, the alternator charging post. Uh. Let's let's 461 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: do the same thing on the ground. Let's volta drop 462 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: the ground side of the battery. Let's voltage drop to 463 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: the chassis. Let's you know, let's just do some electrical testing. 464 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: It's an older car, it's got some miles on it, 465 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: it's up in Wisconsin, it's got some winters on it. 466 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: You know what's corroded, what's not. And uh, let's see. 467 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's part of the problem. I'm not saying 468 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: it is. But the one thing you've got to remember 469 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: when you're trying to solve a problem, Okay, tell me 470 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: what's good. If you can't duplicate the condition, tell me 471 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: what's absolutely positively good. All right, And you're doing that 472 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: in a sense. You check fuel pressure. I believe there's 473 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: a problem with that fuel pressure. The other thing you 474 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: can look at with that fuel pressure, with the car 475 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: running and that twenty eight pounds, if you pulled the 476 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: dump valve on the fuel pressure gage, it should have 477 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: a relief alf correct. Uh, you know it should fill 478 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: a Snapple bottle. We always we always joke about this. 479 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: They used to drink snapper when I was a kid, 480 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: when it was first invented. And you know it'll it'll 481 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: fill a Snapple bottle. A good running fuel pump on 482 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: the majority of vehicles will fill a Snapple bottle or 483 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: that that a pint of fuel. And you know, under 484 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: something like that, if it doesn't, that suspect also because 485 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: this could also be a volume issue, not just pressure. 486 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: The other nice thing about doing a volume test is 487 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: if you use a clear Snapple bottle, which is why 488 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: we started doing it in the first place. With clear 489 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: glass bottles, is you'll get an idea of fuel sample 490 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: of condition, dirty, rusty. You know ninety three wasn't exactly yesterday. 491 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: What is the inside of the tank look like. If 492 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: it's a metal tank, it's rusted, could it be if 493 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: it's a if it's just an older vehicle, doesn't have 494 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: any Schwitzen junk in it, it's it's had more than 495 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: a few gas tank phillips in its lifetime. So but 496 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: my point becomes, start looking at tell me what's good, 497 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: Tell me what you absolutely positively can prove is good? 498 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: All right? And then and then focus on the rest. 499 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: Are you writing any any of your test results down? Okay? Yeah? 500 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: Never never trust your head. I don't. I don't trust 501 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: my head. I you know. And sometimes what I'll do 502 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: when I'm chasing a problem, I'll print out a wiring diagram. 503 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: Think about this. I'll print out a wiring diagram, and 504 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: I'll sit down and I'll study it. Let's see, could 505 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: the headlight cause the car to stall? No? Cross that off? Could? 506 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: Could an ignission switch cause the car to stall? Sure? 507 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: Could circle it? Could an e g R valve caused 508 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: the car to stall if it has one or need 509 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: GR control solinoid could circle it? All right. I'll just 510 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: go through the process and start to break things down 511 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: component by component of a wiring diagram and decide could 512 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: anything here be the cause of my stall? And possibly 513 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: focus on that? All right. One of the things that 514 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: one of the other things I was gonna tell you 515 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: to try, what the voltmeter is. When you're looking at 516 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: the wiring diagram. There's gonna be power into the ignition switch, 517 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: power out of the ignition switch. Sometimes there's two powers in, 518 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: two powers out. You want to look at that with 519 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: a volt meter too. Sometimes we'll wire in a one 520 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 1: side marker bulb looking on the power side. So when 521 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: the car shuts off, did the bulb stay lit? If 522 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: the bulb stayed lit, I just deliminated half the circuit. 523 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: I don't have to test right, make makes sense, So 524 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: try that if you want to hear this again, Chip, 525 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: if you want to hear the diagnosis again. This is 526 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: gonna be our one podcast data today. If you get 527 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: out to our website Car Doctor Show dot com, you'll 528 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: find it under podcast twenty minutes after the show is up, 529 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: and you can Yeah, you're about you started at the 530 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: bottom of the hour, so about halfway through the podcast 531 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: you'll hear this call and you can kind of hear me. 532 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: Welcome through it again. All right, kiddo, thanks for your time. 533 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: Keep me posted, sir. You absolutely positively enjoy talking to you. Chip. 534 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: Take good care. I'm run eating the Car Doctor or 535 00:28:54,440 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: back right after this now, I don't want to talk yet. 536 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: I like this song. Wait, let's listen to the shift. 537 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's sort of like being a detective working 538 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 1: in cars, because you're always kind of looking for, you know, 539 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: the clue of where somebody went wrong and trying to 540 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: get him back on the straight and narrow. So when 541 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: we come back, I'll tell you where the street. You know, 542 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: I can tell you why it's called straight and narrow. 543 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: But not now. Let's let's go and talk to Sam 544 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: in Florida. Sam, how can I help you run a 545 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: nading the car? Doctorate your service or what's going on? Hi? Ron, 546 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call. A couple of weeks ago, 547 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: my A B s light in course, traction controls downhill. Lie, 548 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: it's all three of them come on at the same time. Okay, 549 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: And the couple of days later, I've just got back 550 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: in the vehicle started up, take it down to the shop. 551 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: The guy that I know has a scanned tool. It's it. 552 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: They all cleared himself. But by the time they got 553 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: to the stop sign and he scanned it anyway, I 554 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: showed data at the right center. I don't know the 555 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: right front or the right Yeah, and since then it's 556 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: done it again. As soon as I go to go 557 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: down to him to haven't put the stand two along 558 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: the lights go up. Now when I just left work, 559 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 1: calm called the lights came on again. Okay, So do 560 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: we know which code. This is right front, left or 561 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: right front, right rear, one or the other. He didn't 562 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: tell me, just that was the right there. That's what 563 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: the data shared one. So we know it's we know 564 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: it's something on the right side. Sensors are not uncommon, 565 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: so that's a possibility. It's you're in Florida. I don't 566 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: think you're gonna have a rust issue. Depends on what 567 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: part of Florida here, and it's you know, welcome to 568 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: the northeast, you know, it's uh, it's the parts of 569 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: the country. Yeah, there's no rust anywhere, and welcome to 570 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: New Jersey. Um, what I would what I would do 571 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: is see if he has a scope, a lab scope, 572 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: and let him measure the signal, and I would hook 573 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: up to sensors. Let's do one from the left side, 574 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: Let's do one from the right side, or the bad 575 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: one from the right side, and compare the two signals, 576 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: because it's not just going to be wait until the 577 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: code comes on. Sometimes as a sensor fails, you'll see 578 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: a change in the electrical pattern, but the pattern, you know, 579 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: maybe the pattern changes just enough but not enough to 580 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: trigger a code until bam, then it does all right, right, 581 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: and ahead another thing. Well, it's all right, I know 582 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: I can take the front wheel unplugged, the center for 583 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: then ometer a vote meter on there and leisure as 584 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: you turn the hut by hand. That another way of 585 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: testing it. Well, all all you're using. All the ometer 586 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: is showing you is continuity. It's not showing you. It's 587 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: not showing you a signal strength, size, amplitude pattern. It's 588 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: it's not showing you. You know, it's you're, you're, you're, 589 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: you're going for a manicure. She's able to look at 590 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: your hands and go, yeah, you've got five fingers, um, 591 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: but she she can't tell you, you know, how many nails, 592 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: how long it's gonna take. You're only getting part of 593 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: the picture. So you know it's a good effort, but 594 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily you know, right, I can't tell you. 595 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: I've had cars where I'll unplug and an A, B 596 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: S sensor. I'll measure the olms ohlms is good bad 597 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: censor all day long. So you know you know now 598 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: by the same token I've had it, ohms good. It's 599 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: not a sensor. It's the trigger wheel. How is it triggered? 600 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: You know? Sometimes and if I'm not mistaken. Don't hold 601 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: me to this. But the hun day, maybe the trigger 602 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: device is part of the wheel bearing, depending upon if 603 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: it's front or back, and you end up putting a 604 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: wheel bearing in the car, you end up putting an 605 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: assembly in Yeah, yeah, so right, so just make sure 606 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: he's using a good quality part and you should be okay. Alright, Sam, alright, alright, 607 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 1: appreciate you. You're welcome, sir. Good luck to you. Take 608 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: could carry zero running any of the Car Doctor coming 609 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: back right after this? Hey, welcome back. Why don't any 610 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: of the car Doctor on my own highway? A couple 611 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: of things we're talking about programming at the beginning of 612 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: the hour. Here's the problem with programming the way GM 613 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: is doing it on that particular car. What if the 614 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: car was in an accident, and there are situations where 615 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: GM or and some of the other companies want you 616 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: to know the part number, scan the module prior to replacement. 617 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: What if the car was in an accident. What if 618 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: the wearing harness was chopped and you can't access any modules, 619 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: and now all the body parts that body shop has 620 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: assembled the car and they put all the modules in 621 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: you you you need a collection of modules. Now the 622 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: old stuff in order to know what the new stuff 623 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: is supposed to be. It gets very, very complicated. So 624 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: when it comes to programming and flashing, just develop a 625 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: diagnostic routine I do I I get new parts, old parts, 626 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: write down numbers. I have the phone numbers of tech 627 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: line handed because it just becomes a very involved, very 628 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: involved says that you you just don't want to skip 629 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: out on it. Get out to all data dot com. 630 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: That was the other thing I wanted to mention. If 631 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: you get out to all data dot com, scroll down 632 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: to the bottom of the page and you will see 633 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: that they talked. There's a blog there. People are emailing 634 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: me asking me about the Mode six data. Scroll down 635 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: to the bottom of page. There's a point we can 636 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: go to a blog from all data dot com and 637 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: you'll be able to go out there and look at 638 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: the article on Mode six that my buddy David wrote. 639 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: Very good information, very good good information. Just breaks it 640 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: down into every day, everyday information. Now, Michael had a 641 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: question during the break, I'll answer it. He wanted to 642 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: know about the straight and narrow. You ever hear the 643 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: expression stay on the straight and narrow that comes from Patterson, 644 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: New Jersey the home of lou Costello. Right because on 645 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: the corner of Straight and Narrow and Patterson, New Jersey, 646 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: there are the Catholic diocese. There are agencies there for 647 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: family help, drug help, rehabilitation, that kind of thing. So 648 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: somebody's having a problem. The expression was get down to 649 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: straight and narrow, get down the straight and narrow street. 650 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: That's where it comes from. See that, you learn a 651 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: little bit of something. Everything here on the car, doctor, 652 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,439 Speaker 1: and that's what it's all about. Until the next time 653 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: I'm running any in the car doctor, reminding you good 654 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you